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How good could Monfils become?

TeamID
01-12-2009, 02:45 AM
This kid has tons of potential right now. We've seen what he's capable of in Doha and he's had flashes of brilliance elsewhere.

But, right now he has a lot of trouble picking the right shots and there's many questions about his mental abilities.

What do you guys think?

Action Jackson
01-12-2009, 02:50 AM
Will have some big wins now and then, but won't have the consistency. Rasheed is a tough task master and it will be good for him, as he is a coach and a fitness trainer.

Too often he stands 10km behind the baseline and relies on his speed to win matches. Has to be consistently more aggressive than he is at the moment. Funny thing for a guy who is the fastest on tour, he really doesn't know how to use it as effectively as he should.

He has been injury prone, but looking a bit stronger this season.

Spes
01-12-2009, 02:52 AM
I guess if he would stop moonballing from 10 meters behind the baseline he could make life a lot easier for himself and not run out of steam in the QF and SF of tournaments. That said, he needs to add more muscle.

TeamID
01-12-2009, 03:21 AM
I guess if he would stop moonballing from 10 meters behind the baseline he could make life a lot easier for himself and not run out of steam in the QF and SF of tournaments. That said, he needs to add more muscle.

Why do you say that? He's proven to be able to hit the ball as hard as anyone on tour when he decides to. What advantages would added muscle give a player like Monfils?

I think he just needs to get a much more offensive mindset, especially in pressure situations. I think that against Nadal he knew that if he wasn't aggressive, Nadal would have made him pay for it. But against Roddick, he thought that he could hang back and Roddick would let him have it. He needs to keep his intensity up under pressure

Johnny Groove
01-12-2009, 03:36 AM
Monfils has all the weapons, the tactics are just lacking.

Not to mention the dreads the he needs to bring back

LleytonMonfils
01-12-2009, 04:37 AM
I guess if he would stop moonballing from 10 meters behind the baseline he could make life a lot easier for himself and not run out of steam in the QF and SF of tournaments. That said, he needs to add more muscle.

He has muscle http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0605/ten_g_guillot_200.jpg

GlennMirnyi
01-12-2009, 04:41 AM
Power in tennis is technique, not strength.

crude oil
01-12-2009, 05:02 AM
monfils has long takebacks. He needs to try and shorten them up for hardcourts...thats one of the primary reasons he stands 10ft behind the baseline..he needs time for his shots.

ORGASMATRON
01-12-2009, 08:11 AM
This is funny i was thinking of starting a thread on Monfils myself :lol: I think he has loads of potential and should be in the top 10 at the end of the year. And yeah he has more then enough power his forhand is huge and his obviously pretty muscular. He just needs to step into the court and believe in himself more in other words mature. He's probably my favorite player after Roger. :worship:

federernadalfan
01-12-2009, 09:54 AM
he will be able to beat the gooch, donald young, and marko djokovic half drunk

KaiserT
01-12-2009, 10:12 AM
Yep Monfils has loads of potential and has freakishly good physical abilities...... but his brain should stop him from ever reaching the very top level. His 'tennis IQ' just isn't that high.

sammy01
01-12-2009, 11:54 AM
Yep Monfils has loads of potential and has freakishly good physical abilities...... but his brain should stop him from ever reaching the very top level. His 'tennis IQ' just isn't that high.

i agree, he dosen't seem to get what he needs to do to win consistently. he just cant stand so far back and be so deffensive, its too demanding and clever players will take advantage of it.

Byrd
01-12-2009, 11:56 AM
Monfils has potential at flipping burgers at Mcdonalds.

VolandriFan
01-12-2009, 11:59 AM
Gael will grow into his body and game with the right guidance, which I hope Rasheed can offer him. I honestly have faith in Gael as a future top 5 fixture and potential slam winner.

Del Potro and Monfils will have similar careers.

MurrayFan1
01-12-2009, 12:39 PM
He is a good player if he stays fit and confident. His gameplan V Nadal in Doha was great and his FH looks good.

He can finish 09 as a top 10 player for sure if he gets a bit of form.

Henry Chinaski
01-12-2009, 01:03 PM
he can be top 5 I think. movement is everything in modern tennis and he has it in abundance. massive first serve helps too. like AJ says though, he doesn't get the most out of his speed and is more comfortable moving from side to side 5m behind the baseline than his is coming forward onto the ball.
the fact that he's climbing so steadily with obvious flaws in his game and grinding out ugly wins is a good sign for him. as for slams, even if he reaches his potential in terms of game he could end up being another French nearly-man. he's prone to some incredible bouts of mental weakness on the big stage (Vienna final, Doha semi) and it could be an inherent character flaw that is beyond repair.

ReturnWinner
01-12-2009, 01:18 PM
his game is based too much on his retrieving and speed,hence he is usually injured too much and is pretty passive but anyway his career has been good and i think he will have some good results this year.

reggie1
01-12-2009, 01:52 PM
He always looks so gangly and kind of throws himself about on the tennis court to the point where I think "He's going to fall over any minute!". If he can stay injury free I would say top 5.

moldani
01-12-2009, 01:59 PM
I think Monfils has tons of potential. In my opinion, he has massive physical strength, good serve, good groundstrokes, lightning speed plus he is tenacious. I think he needs to work on his aggression and volley though, if he is to make a bigger impact. Moreover, he should probably try to eliminate those seemingly crazy slips, which might cause an injury or two.

meihaditalab
01-12-2009, 02:03 PM
max. top 5. but only if he's at the top of his game

GlennMirnyi
01-12-2009, 04:04 PM
he will be able to beat the gooch, donald young, and marko djokovic half drunk

Wrong.

The day Mugfils beats the Gooch down under, at the Gooch slam, the world will end.

Monfils has potential at flipping burgers at Mcdonalds.

:lol:

Great post.

duong
01-12-2009, 04:16 PM
I think Monfils has a great potential, even more than Tsonga.

But, before last year, he hadn't really improved the way he should have improved so far, then of course it's still more of a "potential" than a "real thing".

But he has the potential for being a part-time top-5, no doubt

(even if I think that Del Potro will have a much better carreer for what somebody said)

The key is the mind and tactics of course, the physics is OK I think.

GlennMirnyi
01-12-2009, 04:24 PM
Monfils a bigger talent than Tsonga?

:lol:

You gotta be joking me.

duong
01-12-2009, 04:30 PM
Monfils a bigger talent than Tsonga?

:lol:

You gotta be joking me.

For the talent I don't know, Monfils is also very talented,

but it's not only a matter of talent,

and Tsonga has this big problem about injuries : Monfils is safer.

Also I don't believe in Tsonga on clay, whereas Monfils can play well on grass.

TeamID
01-12-2009, 04:42 PM
I think that the talent level of Monfils and Tsonga are rather comparable with Monfils being slightly more talented.

Tsonga has a slightly better serve and hits hit forehand bigger on a more consistent basis. Monfils' movement is in a totally different world though, also he has the ability to hit bigger shots than Tsonga when he tries to. Tsonga is obviously much more comfortable in the forecourt, however.

Right now Tsonga's better results are mostly from much better mental aptitude for the game. Tsonga isn't really a choker and seems to thrive under pressure, whereas Monfils is a bit of a Frenchie at times.

GlennMirnyi
01-12-2009, 04:44 PM
For the talent I don't know, Monfils is also very talented,

but it's not only a matter of talent,

and Tsonga has this big problem about injuries : Monfils is safer.

Also I don't believe in Tsonga on clay, whereas Monfils can play well on grass.

We're talking about talent here, not about results.

Monfils is a grinder, Tsonga is an attacking player. Monfils could only dream of having Tsonga's forehand and serve.

ORGASMATRON
01-12-2009, 04:49 PM
Monfils a bigger talent than Tsonga?

:lol:

You gotta be joking me.

The LOGIC strikes again. Monfils is more talented in both physical and skill departments, the only place where Tsonga is more talented is in the mental department.

ORGASMATRON
01-12-2009, 04:51 PM
I think Monfils has a great potential, even more than Tsonga.

But, before last year, he hadn't really improved the way he should have improved so far, then of course it's still more of a "potential" than a "real thing".

But he has the potential for being a part-time top-5, no doubt

(even if I think that Del Potro will have a much better carreer for what somebody said)

The key is the mind and tactics of course, the physics is OK I think.

Well said, i agree :)

LleytonMonfils
01-12-2009, 04:57 PM
We're talking about talent here, not about results.

Monfils is a grinder, Tsonga is an attacking player. Monfils could only dream of having Tsonga's forehand and serve.

All that matters in tennis is results right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are winning tennis matches does it really matter how you get the job done? You said something along the lines of this in a previous post. Do you have any credibility at all on these forums? SERIOUSLY! Stick to your guns and quit flip flopping back and forth with yourself.

Don't worry Mirnyi I'll be sure to remind you when Monfils passes Stepanek and his career high ranking of no. 8 on the ATP Tour.

Tsonga and Monfils are both young players with plenty of potential. Both have the ability to serve strongly, with Monfils having the weaker second serve. Both have huge forehands, but I give Gael the edge here. Tsonga gets the backhand love as Gael doesn't do enough with his consistently. Speed goes to Monfils, and each has the ability to hit some nice volleys at net. Plenty of room for improvement, but I'd love to see these two meet up at some point in the Aussie Open. Would be an excellent match.

The real glaring problem I see with both is they don't particular know the proper time to take chances. Sometimes they pull the trigger when they shouldn't have and other times they keep the gun in the holster when they should be pulling the trigger.

GlennMirnyi
01-12-2009, 05:05 PM
All that matters in tennis is results right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are winning tennis matches does it really matter how you get the job done? You said something along the lines of this in a previous post. Do you have any credibility at all on these forums? SERIOUSLY! Stick to your guns and quit flip flopping back and forth with yourself.

Don't worry Mirnyi I'll be sure to remind you when Monfils passes Stepanek and his career high ranking of no. 8 on the ATP Tour.

Tsonga and Monfils are both young players with plenty of potential. Both have the ability to serve strongly, with Monfils having the weaker second serve. Both have huge forehands, but I give Gael the edge here. Tsonga gets the backhand love as Gael doesn't do enough with his consistently. Speed goes to Monfils, and each has the ability to hit some nice volleys at net. Plenty of room for improvement, but I'd love to see these two meet up at some point in the Aussie Open. Would be an excellent match.

The real glaring problem I see with both is they don't particular know the proper time to take chances. Sometimes they pull the trigger when they shouldn't have and other times they keep the gun in the holster when they should be pulling the trigger.

1- It was duong not me who started the talk about talent. Talent isn't equal to results. Achievements = results. Talent-wise, Tsonga is far superior to Monfils.

2- Are you this biased? Tsonga's, forehand is muuuuuch better than Monfils'. While Monfils hits an offensive forehand every 10 shots, Tsonga does it 9 out of 10 times.

3- Tsonga is far more clutch and less passive. Monfils is the grinder one.

Your analysis is completely flawed.

GlennMirnyi
01-12-2009, 05:09 PM
The LOGIC strikes again. Monfils is more talented in both physical and skill departments, the only place where Tsonga is more talented is in the mental department.

Since when physique is talent, fanboy?

Tsonga has far more skill than Monfils will ever have.

LleytonMonfils
01-12-2009, 05:33 PM
1- It was duong not me who started the talk about talent. Talent isn't equal to results. Achievements = results. Talent-wise, Tsonga is far superior to Monfils.

2- Are you this biased? Tsonga's, forehand is muuuuuch better than Monfils'. While Monfils hits an offensive forehand every 10 shots, Tsonga does it 9 out of 10 times.

3- Tsonga is far more clutch and less passive. Monfils is the grinder one.

Your analysis is completely flawed.

Yet you are avoiding pretty much everything I said. Look dude you are hanging yourself with your own noose I don't even have to do it for you. You've yet to realize everyone on this forum considers you to be a joke. It's bad when you are the punch line and you don't even know it.

Why are you asking if I'm biased when both are players I like? Everyone knows what they are getting with Tsonga. Ripped forehand after ripped forehand. With Monfils you never know when he is going to unleash his forehand or any shot for that matter. Want proof? Go back to the Nadal match where Rafa constantly watched balls go by him for winners. Monfils was hitting balls with pace that were even catching Nadal off guard. So don't tell my analysis is flawed when you have yet to give one at all.

Talent is nothing without results. There are plenty of athletes in this world with talent and potential but it goes untapped. You've yet to answer my question, what matters more talent or results? Answer the question! Quit dodging like you always do! As long as Monfils continues to win matches does it matter how he does it? Answer the question! Better yet let me word it for you this way, you tunnel visioned little freak, as long as Radek wins matches does it really matter how he gets the job done?

Game, set, match... now come shake my hand and carry your ass to the locker room. You have been served!

duong
01-12-2009, 06:38 PM
1- It was duong not me who started the talk about talent. Talent isn't equal to results. Achievements = results. Talent-wise, Tsonga is far superior to Monfils.


I talked about potential, not about talent.

I prefer Tsonga's game and I totally agree with you in that matter and in the way you are interested in tennis.

But talent is already a larger topic than about the game, because for instance the mental and the physical abilities are a great amount of the "talent" imo : you can more work the technics and the tactics than the mental and the physics.

And if you speak about the "potential", then it's even a larger topic because it depends on the conditions, the age etc ... for instance Monfils is younger than Tsonga and above all I m' very concerned about Tsonga's injuries.

Tsonga has a real problem about that imo, whereas Monfils's physics is quite great imo.

Also I have to say that I have the impression that recently attacking tennis has not been very well paid, as defensive players are so great nowadays !

When I see Federer against Murray, I prefer Federer's game a lot, but the fact is that, even with a less interesting game, Murray is very effective. The same for Nadal or Simon : few winners but so effective ! so horrible to play against them and them bringing back everything !

reggie1
01-12-2009, 07:05 PM
Talent is only half the story. As much as it pains me to say it, ask Richard Gasquet!

ChinoRios4Ever
01-12-2009, 07:07 PM
maybe top 5 if he stays healthy and improves his game plan and antics in the court

Byrd
01-12-2009, 08:47 PM
Why was my post deleted?, didn't have any swear words or wasn't offensive at all, the mods :haha:

Henry Kaspar
01-12-2009, 08:49 PM
This kid has tons of potential right now. We've seen what he's capable of in Doha and he's had flashes of brilliance elsewhere.

But, right now he has a lot of trouble picking the right shots and there's many questions about his mental abilities.

What do you guys think?

I think he has the potential to become the best black tennis player since Arthur Ashe.

Byrd
01-12-2009, 08:50 PM
I think he has the potential to become the best black tennis player since Arthur Ashe.

Donald Young has that on lock-down :D