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Why the pressure is on Murray

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Murray will be on a high after beating Federer yet again on hard, but that high will come with a certain amount of underlying dread. Murray will be all too mindful of the terrible beating he took from Roger at the last grand slam final as well as another final of a minor tournament. However many times Murray beats Roger outside of a grand slam doesnt make much difference. It all comes down to the Australian Open basically. Murray will be in Nadal's half of the draw while Roger will be in Nole's, advantge number one to Roger.

Then if they should both make it through to the final Roger will know he's had the upper hand at the important moments and it will be best out of five sets, advantage number two to Roger. Also he will have 13 slams behind him while Murray would have 0. Advantage number three for Roger. Not only that but Murray will know if Roger takes the AO crown he will be oficially out of his slump and his chances for winning his first slam in 2009 would have taken a serious dent.

Come to think of it i left out the most important part so im adding it now. If Murray loses to Fed in another slam he would become Roger's bunny in slams :lol:

Action Jackson
01-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Just Cause has a South African brother.

SheepleBuster
01-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Murray will probably fake another back injury and win....

finishingmove
01-10-2009, 05:10 PM
the pressure is definitely not on murray when he's playing his pigeon.

i don't think he'll lose another match to federer in his career, grandslam or not. we know what happened at the USO.

richie21
01-10-2009, 05:12 PM
If Murray meets Federer in the AO,he'll beat him this time,mark my words.
There is no one stopping this Murray in AO.

Lullaby
01-10-2009, 05:13 PM
pressure is on fed to catch sampras before father time catches up

murray has a few years to make the final breakthrough - If he was to win in melbourne which I doubt, the others are in trouble as his confidence would go to another level

t0x
01-10-2009, 05:13 PM
How will Rafa have Murray in his half?

Only thing that is decided is 1 and 2 are on opposite halfs. 3 & 4 could go either way.

green25814
01-10-2009, 05:13 PM
Never count out the fed. But i think murray will take him this time.

SheepleBuster
01-10-2009, 05:14 PM
the pressure is definitely not on murray when he's playing his pigeon.

i don't think he'll lose another match to federer in his career, grandslam or not. we know what happened at the USO.

I beg to differ. I think Federer will not beat Murray anytime soon. It's not the matter of Murray not losing to Federer, I just don't see Federer being consistent enough with his game to win.

feuselino
01-10-2009, 05:15 PM
i don't think he'll lose another match to federer in his career, grandslam or not.

Did you say the same thing after Djokovic beat Federer at last year's AO?

t0x
01-10-2009, 05:17 PM
I beg to differ. I think Federer will not beat Murray anytime soon. It's not the matter of Murray not losing to Federer, I just don't see Federer being consistent enough with his game to win.

I think Fed has a better chance in a best of 5 format. He has time to recover from his lapses. And whilst Murray is looking fitter, his USO performance doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his ability to have enough in the tank to win 7 matches.

Having said all that, Murray looks like the favourite right now. This could be a real shot at his first slam.

finishingmove
01-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Did you say the same thing after Djokovic beat Federer at last year's AO?

this has nothing to do with djokovic. it's a matchup issue.

it also has nothing to do with the AO winner. both federer and murray could lose before the final.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:20 PM
How will Rafa have Murray in his half?

Only thing that is decided is 1 and 2 are on opposite halfs. 3 & 4 could go either way.

You sure? Thought it was 1 against 4 and 2 against 3 like in the US.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:22 PM
the pressure is definitely not on murray when he's playing his pigeon.

i don't think he'll lose another match to federer in his career, grandslam or not. we know what happened at the USO.

Yeah he got owned by Roger thats what happened :lol:

feuselino
01-10-2009, 05:23 PM
this has nothing to do with djokovic. it's a matchup issue.

My point was, just because player A beats player B for consecutive times, doesn't mean that player B will never EVER beat player A again. Roddick beat Federer after losing to him 11 times in a row.

finishingmove
01-10-2009, 05:25 PM
My point was, just because player A beats player B for consecutive times, doesn't mean that player B will never EVER beat player A again. Roddick beat Federer after losing to him 11 times in a row.

my point is that federer is in decline.

when murray starts declining, federer and roddick will be watching it on TV from their retirement.

Lullaby
01-10-2009, 05:26 PM
The other thing you forget is that compared to wimbledon, the pressure is by comparisson far less at the other three slams

Just think what winning wimbledon would do to elevate him in front of a desperate for success british crowd

anon57
01-10-2009, 05:27 PM
You sure? Thought it was 1 against 4 and 2 against 3 like in the US.
Number 3 and 4 seeds are drawn randomly so because it was one way at the USO doesn't mean it'll be the same at the AO

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:30 PM
my point is that federer is in decline.

when murray starts declining, federer and roddick will be watching it on TV from their retirement.

Decline is a matter of perspective when it comes to Roger. You might as well say he has lost motivation at the smaller tournaments and is now just focusing on the slams and beating Pete's record. I mean its no secret, he even cut his schedule for this year to focus on the slams.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:32 PM
Number 3 and 4 seeds are drawn randomly so because it was one way at the USO doesn't mean it'll be the same at the AO

Ok my bad, that was a bit sloppy of me. :tape:

feuselino
01-10-2009, 05:33 PM
my point is that federer is in decline. That's true (sadly) - still, it's not just a simple line downhill for Federer and a simple line uphill for Murray. There will be good days and bad days for both of them, so anything can happen. You just can't say "he willer never lose to him again" - it might happen, but that's all.

finishingmove
01-10-2009, 05:37 PM
Decline is a matter of perspective when it comes to Roger. You might as well say he has lost motivation at the smaller tournaments and is now just focusing on the slams and beating Pete's record. I mean its no secret, he even cut his schedule for this year to focus on the slams.

yeah he really cut his schedule, playing stuff like abu dhabi.

and when the slams come, he's just gonna default into beating someone who owns him everytime they meet.

if the USO match was a SF, murray would've beaten him right there. it was the pressure of a first GS final.

scoobs
01-10-2009, 05:38 PM
Of course there is increased pressure on Murray purely from increased expectation.

Some bookies are actually making him the favourite, which is slightly absurd since he hasn't proven he can win one yet.

NinaNina19
01-10-2009, 05:42 PM
Of course there is increased pressure on Murray purely from increased expectation.

Some bookies are actually making him the favourite, which is slightly absurd since he hasn't proven he can win one yet.

They probably read my thread :).

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:42 PM
yeah he really cut his schedule, playing stuff like abu dhabi.

and when the slams come, he's just gonna default into beating someone who owns him everytime they meet.

if the USO match was a SF, murray would've beaten him right there. it was the pressure of a first GS final.

Lol why you getting all upset? Its just tennis and both of us know we dont know the exact outcome. Its all speculation in the end.

SheepleBuster
01-10-2009, 05:43 PM
I have bashed Fed in the past but let's get this right. Murray will never be remembered as being a better player than Federer unless he wins more slam or wins all 4 slams in one year maybe. Murray doesn't have a slam yet and Fed has 13. So just because Murray beat Federer in best of 3 sets match doesn't mean he is actually a better player. Nadal can claim such thing as he is on pace to break Sampras' record too. But let's see if he can keep it up.

finishingmove
01-10-2009, 05:44 PM
Lol why you getting all upset? Its just tennis and both of us know we dont know the exact outcome. Its all speculation in the end.

u must've misunderstood the spirit of my post, i'm not upset at all.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-10-2009, 05:49 PM
Because he's the best player on tour since the USO.

But wait for the real test coming: AO.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:50 PM
u must've misunderstood the spirit of my post, i'm not upset at all.

Ok ;)

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 05:53 PM
Lets face it though already a lot of people is making Murray the favorite to win the AO and its a long way to go. This has to put pressure on the guy. I mean theres no doubt his the in form player now and playing awesome tennis. So all the more pressure cos he will be expected to win the AO, and not so much Rodge.

Ivanatis
01-10-2009, 05:58 PM
I don't see any pressure-related problems for Murray in Australia.

Where, some will occur, is Wimbledon, even to a higher degree if he wins Melbourne. I don't think he's very pressure prone, however.

fabolous
01-10-2009, 05:59 PM
ruanz, do you actually care about other players than federer?

no matter how often you keep repeating it, murray is better than federer on hardcourt at the moment.

iriraz
01-10-2009, 06:01 PM
Last year Murray started the same winning in Doha and we know what happened in Australia.Murray`s problem is that he has to avoid long matches in Melbourne otherwise 2 days later he might be to exhausted and crumble.It`s hard to judge at this point in what physical shape Murray is when it comes to long matches that can take 5 sets.His tennis is good at the moment but to win big tournaments there are lots of factors that have to be taken in consideration so we will see how things work out in the next couple of weeks

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 06:10 PM
ruanz, do you actually care about other players than federer?

no matter how often you keep repeating it, murray is better than federer on hardcourt at the moment.

Not really.

I never said Murray wasnt better then Roger on hc at the moment, he's a difficulot matchup for Roger and he's the on form player. That is still debatable though if Roger does better at the AO.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 06:14 PM
Last year Murray started the same winning in Doha and we know what happened in Australia.Murray`s problem is that he has to avoid long matches in Melbourne otherwise 2 days later he might be to exhausted and crumble.It`s hard to judge at this point in what physical shape Murray is when it comes to long matches that can take 5 sets.His tennis is good at the moment but to win big tournaments there are lots of factors that have to be taken in consideration so we will see how things work out in the next couple of weeks

Another good point i didnt even mention here. We all know what the conditions are like in Australia, i have serious doubts about Murray's ability to play long matches there. I mean he was done after a four setter against Nadal in New York. Best weather conditions for him would be Wimby, but too much pressure on him there i think.

kundalini
01-10-2009, 06:16 PM
I agree that Murray is in a slightly tricky position in that he is the favourite because of the quality of his tennis right now, but having never won a Slam, and having failed to overcome his nerves at the US Open, it is still unknown whether he can produce on the big occasion.

As to the fitness issue, I rather doubt that will be crucial with the exception of a long match against Nadal. A series of tough matches could reduce his reserves of energy to the extent that he has very little left for the semi or final but given the level at which he is playing at the moment, it is unlikely that many of his early round matches will be 3 hours +. He may play some matches in the heat but you would imagine that he will be given some night matches too.

Rumour
01-10-2009, 06:22 PM
I don't see any pressure-related problems for Murray in Australia.

Where, some will occur, is Wimbledon, even to a higher degree if he wins Melbourne. I don't think he's very pressure prone, however.
Totally agree with this - I believe Murray is at a point where he's learned how to cope better with outside expectations and pressure. Also, unlike other players who have had to shoulder the mantle of being their country's 'best hope,' I suspect he actually embraces it to a large extent. His recent results against other top players can only add to his self belief and confidence.

Plus I am convinced that, similar to what happened the year before, losing to Federer at the USO will help prepare Murray for a rematch at the AO like it did Djokovic. Inexperience and nerves played a large part in each young star's performance in his first slam final appearance, so that internal type of pressure will likely be lessened or eliminated altogether for the Scot next time around.

As for the physical fatigue factor, it seems like Murray has intensified his training regimen and that should help him come this Aussie Open and beyond. However, I feel that the constant attention and distraction that come with playing a home slam could exact a big mental toll on him at Wimbledon, especially if he's perceived as a favourite.

alfonsojose
01-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Excellent thread. HasBeenFed is playing with all of us, Murray included :yeah: :angel:

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 06:51 PM
Excellent thread. HasBeenFed is playing with all of us, Murray included :yeah: :angel:

Judging my this pic your probably right.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/fc/fullj.974dec35394715fc5f94a692d0b5b3e0/974dec35394715fc5f94a692d0b5b3e0-getty-tennis-capitala-uae-nadal.jpg

chris whiteside
01-10-2009, 07:45 PM
I'm still a bit dubious about Andy for the A/O. He definitely overplayed in the last few months of last year and I don't see why he needed to play the Exhibition last week. Already there's a scare about his back.

Sure, he's now winning most of his matches but there is still that worrying lack of concentration which prevents him closing matches out earlier than he should and this could cost him dear at a Slam as those extra sets begin to tell on him at the business end end of the event.

He certainly has to be considered among the favourites though and I can but hope - however I just feel he's not quite ready yet.

anon57
01-10-2009, 07:57 PM
It'll be interesting to see how Murray deals with being the favourite heading into the AO, beating Nadal, Federer or Djokovic in a best of 5 match will not be easy but he's already defeated Nadal at the USO and he's shown he's got the game to defeat both Federer and Djokovic as well. It'll greatly depend on whether he'll be able to spare energy in the earlier rounds and be able to play his best tennis when it counts in the latter stages of the tournament. Murray didn't play his best during the USO final maybe the schedule, it being his first major final and Federer's play all contributed to this but I think that like Djokovic he'll have learned from that final and he's going to be more difficult to defeat at the AO if he holds on to the form he's displayed in the last months of the previous season and this week in Doha.

scoobs
01-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Murray won't see himself as the favourite for the Australian Open and that's how I expect him to handle it - by insisting that people who say he is have taken leave of their senses :)

gjr
01-10-2009, 08:01 PM
There's no pressure on Murray because he doesn't beleive he's the favourite. He knows he has a good chance but thats all. If he makes the semi's he will be in good shape and then we'll see how the draw unfolds.

MariaV
01-10-2009, 08:05 PM
It'll be interesting to see how Murray deals with being the favourite heading into the AO, beating Nadal, Federer or Djokovic in a best of 5 match will not be easy but he's already defeated Nadal at the USO and he's shown he's got the game to defeat both Federer and Djokovic as well. It'll greatly depend on whether he'll be able to spare energy in the earlier rounds and be able to play his best tennis when it counts in the latter stages of the tournament. Murray didn't play his best during the USO final maybe the schedule, it being his first major final and Federer's play all contributed to this but I think that like Djokovic he'll have learned from that final and he's going to be more difficult to defeat at the AO if he holds on to the form he's displayed in the last months of the previous season and this week in Doha.

Good post, Kim. I think Murray has worked even more on his stamina and physical fitness to be able to pass the GS fortnight better. He's certainly learned from the USO and he doesn't seem weak mentally so... It'll be a very interesting Ao anyway. :D

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 08:07 PM
Murray won't see himself as the favourite for the Australian Open and that's how I expect him to handle it - by insisting that people who say he is have taken leave of their senses :)

Good point. It seems what the majority is saying in tennis is never the truth. Murray shouldnt be considered favorite, i mean seriously he has such a long way to go. The same goes for people who is saying Roger is done blah blah blah. Roger should still be the favorite to win but the fact that Murray is now being viewed as the favorite should play right into his hands.

MariaV
01-10-2009, 08:07 PM
Murray won't see himself as the favourite for the Australian Open and that's how I expect him to handle it - by insisting that people who say he is have taken leave of their senses :)

Wrong smiley Scoobsy dear - ;)

scoobs
01-10-2009, 08:16 PM
One of the biggest mistakes some tennis fans make is that they see what happens now and think that's what it's always going to be like in the future - that it's set in stone somehow - so they're continually surprised when things happen like Federer winning the US Open, or Djokovic winning the Masters Cup. There's little concept sometimes that it's quite an unpredictable sport in some ways - and you cannot treat all weeks as equal. For 8 weeks of the season the top players will bring maximum effort and commitment - let's see what happens there. The big ones are the ones that make or break a name in our sport.

Elena.
01-10-2009, 08:20 PM
One of the biggest mistakes tennis fans make is that they see what happens now and think that's what it's always going to be like in the future - that it's set in stone somehow - so they're continually surprised when things happen like Federer winning the US Open, or Djokovic winning the Masters Cup. There's little concept sometimes that it's quite an unpredictable sport in some ways - and you cannot treat all weeks as equal.

Exactly,that's why most of the results of tournaments www polls here are wrong :rolls:

Mechlan
01-10-2009, 08:49 PM
I think Murray is the favorite going in, albeit a slight one. He has supreme confidence right now and is likely only going to be beaten by one of the top 4. Since he's beaten all of them multiple times in the past few months so you'd have to give him the edge in those matchups (though best of 5 does change things a little). But pressure? Not really. He comes in with nothing to lose and absolutely everything to gain. It'll come down to day form. And I can absolutely see him being beaten by at least three other players. That's why they play the game isn't it? ;)

the graduate
01-10-2009, 09:26 PM
Winning in Australia is mainly about withstanding the weather,the heat is unbelievable this time of the year.I think Andy is on the cusp of his first big win.
Andy you can do it you motherfucker you!

ORGASMATRON
01-11-2009, 10:26 AM
Winning in Australia is mainly about withstanding the weather,the heat is unbelievable this time of the year.I think Andy is on the cusp of his first big win.
Andy you can do it you motherfucker you!

Lol so funny. He is a mutherfucker come to think of it :lol: