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Federer's chances against Murray on surfaces other than hard?

adee-gee
01-09-2009, 05:14 PM
I think it's pretty clear Muzza owns him on hard courts despite his unfortunate loss at the US Open.

They've only ever played on hard courts, so how do we rate Fed's chances on clay and grass......

Grass: Not good. With Muzza's improved serve, he's not easy to break. Federer hasn't had good returning stats against him in the majority of their matches. Federer's main strength on grass is his serve, but Muzza reads his serve better than anyone in the world, only Nalby comes close.

Clay: Tough one. Both of their weakest surfaces. Federer has the better results as of yet, but I expect a vast improvement on Muzza's results on it this year (though still not great). Will be interesting.

Thoughts?

simplet
01-09-2009, 05:15 PM
I think you're a Murray fan.

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Federer will be the favorite on both grass and clay.

Duncan
01-09-2009, 05:18 PM
Interesting thread. I was thinking the exact same the other day!

Clay i think Roger would still take out Andy though maybe by next season Andy will be stronger.

Grass is tough to call! It's Roger's surface after all but would still be interesting especially with Andy's serve improving as much as it has done

Indoor i think Andy would be too strong for Roger.


Adam who is the avatar? <3!

l_mac
01-09-2009, 05:22 PM
I think Federer is still better on clay than everyone bar Nadal.

I am hoping Murray makes big improvements on clay this year, though. :D But only going on last year's form, Murray looked lost on clay.

Grass. Hmm. I'd still give Fed the edge. They're only likely to ever play at Wimbledon, and I would still give Fed the edge in 5 set matches. Maybe even on a hardcourt.

I have to see to believe.

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 05:22 PM
I think Federer is still better on clay than everyone bar Nadal.

I am hoping Murray makes big improvements on clay this year, though. :D But only going on last year's form, Murray looked lost on clay.

Grass. Hmm. I'd still give Fed the edge. They're only likely to ever play at Wimbledon, and I would still give Fed the edge in 5 set matches. Maybe even on a hardcourt.

I have to see to believe.HE looked lost on hardcourt too.

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 05:23 PM
This is yet another Fed-bashing thread.

Mods, please close this clownish thread inmediately, thanks.

l_mac
01-09-2009, 05:26 PM
HE looked lost on hardcourt too.

Who? Fed? Murray? :confused:

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 05:27 PM
Who? Fed? Murray? :confused:

I meant Murray at the beginning of last year. His game improved a lot during Wimbledon.

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 05:27 PM
Fed is favourite on clay and grass this year. As Muz is still learning his trade on these surfaces, but by 2010 Murray will be fave against Fed on any surface.

biological
01-09-2009, 05:28 PM
This is yet another Fed-bashing thread.

Mods, please close this clownish thread inmediately, thanks.

hear hear

hilarious how the only properly important match they've played is dismissed.

Diprosalic
01-09-2009, 05:29 PM
Fed is the favorite in all GS this year. this obviously could change after the AO
for not GS tournaments fed is the favorite on clay

l_mac
01-09-2009, 05:34 PM
I meant Murray at the beginning of last year. His game improved a lot during Wimbledon.

He was in great form at the start of the year. Just prone to :cuckoo: losses.

adee-gee
01-09-2009, 05:34 PM
I think you're a Murray fan.
But do you think this helps or hinders Federer's chances against Murray on surfaces other than clay? :awww:
hear hear

hilarious how the only properly important match they've played is dismissed.
Nerves + farcical scheduling + outrageously bad line judges = dismissed.

Nidhogg
01-09-2009, 05:36 PM
Yeah. Federers only chance of catching Sampras now spells Roland Garros.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2009, 05:36 PM
look at this - Murrays wins over Roger

2008 Dubai 6-7 6-3 6-4
2008 Madrid 3-6 6-3 7-5
2008 TMC 4-6 7-6 7-5
2009 Abu D 4-6 6-2 7-6
2009 Doha 6-7 6-2 6-2

:lol:

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:37 PM
Fed is the favorite in all GS this year. this obviously could change after the AO
for not GS tournaments fed is the favorite on clay

Huh? Nadal is the favourite for the French for sure. I'd even give him the edge at Wimbledon, too. How can you suggest that Federer is the favourite for RG?

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:38 PM
look at this - Murrays wins over Roger

2008 Dubai 6-7 6-3 6-4
2008 Madrid 3-6 6-3 7-5
2008 TMC 4-6 7-6 7-5
2009 Abu D 4-6 6-2 7-6
2009 Doha 6-7 6-2 6-2

:lol:

You forgot Cinci in 2006. :secret:

HarryMan
01-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Huh? Nadal is the favourite for the French for sure. I'd even give him the edge at Wimbledon, too. How can you suggest that Federer is the favourite for RG?

I think he meant in Andy - Roger matches and not against the field.

biological
01-09-2009, 05:40 PM
I'd say Fed was still the favourite against anybody in 5 set matches, except against Rafa on clay (and maaaaybe grass but I don't think so).

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 05:40 PM
look at this - Murrays wins over Roger

2008 Dubai 6-7 6-3 6-4
2008 Madrid 3-6 6-3 7-5
2008 TMC 4-6 7-6 7-5
2009 Abu D 4-6 6-2 7-6
2009 Doha 6-7 6-2 6-2

:lol:

Do you think Fed will try to purposely lose the 1st set the next time they play?

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 05:42 PM
look at this - Murrays wins over Roger

2008 Dubai 6-7 6-3 6-4
2008 Madrid 3-6 6-3 7-5
2008 TMC 4-6 7-6 7-5
2009 Abu D 4-6 6-2 7-6
2009 Doha 6-7 6-2 6-2

:lol:

Isn't this ripe for pigeon status?

Corey Feldman
01-09-2009, 05:43 PM
You forgot Cinci in 2006. :secret:wasnt an important win - he didnt lose the first set that time ;)

the main thing from Fed's point of view is he didnt lose the 2nd set in US Open final .....

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 05:44 PM
This thread is creating lots of ill fealings.

Mods, please move this thread to the Fed forum ASAP, thank you.

tennizen
01-09-2009, 05:46 PM
This thread is creating lots of ill fealings.

Mods, please move this thread to the Fed forum ASAP, thank you.

:yeah: Let us endeavor to help the mods remove all ill-feelings not only from MTF but also from the hearts of people.

crude oil
01-09-2009, 05:47 PM
i feel federer may have the edge on clay because federer has more spin and weight of shot than murray. Murray hits the ball quite flat and his movement is also not as good on clay. Federer has a better serve for clay because of the action he can generate whereas murray's flat bomb will not be as devastating.

grass is difficult because murray has a game suited to grass and moves well but federer loves the ball low and the rallies will be played more in his strike zone.

Nidhogg
01-09-2009, 05:47 PM
This thread is creating lots of ill fealings.

Mods, please move this thread to the Fed forum ASAP, thank you.

Haha, what the hell...?

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 05:51 PM
:yeah: Let us endeavor to help the mods remove all ill-feelings not only from MTF but also from the hearts of people.

If we try hard and all together we can bring Love and Joy not only to GM and to our hearts, we can even stop the Gaza war. Please, let's not understimate the power of Love :inlove:

tennizen
01-09-2009, 05:54 PM
If we try hard and all together we can bring Love and Joy not only to GM and to our hearts, we can even stop the Gaza war. Please, let's not understimate the power of Love :inlove:

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tennizen
01-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Haha, what the hell...?

The mods have taken a huge positive step this year. They have decided to root out all causes of ill-feelings from GM. For example,a momentous decision in MTF history by the mods rules out starting of any threads like piggy-roasting, haha thread etc. JG and I support this decision and we want to help out the mods in any way we can.

Nidhogg
01-09-2009, 06:04 PM
The mods have taken a huge positive step this year. They have decided to root out all causes of ill-feelings from GM. For example,a momentous decision in MTF history by the mods rules out starting of any threads like piggy-roasting, haha thread etc. JG and I support this decision and we want to help out the mods in any way we can.

Naturally, for the common good. England prevails.

Diprosalic
01-09-2009, 06:07 PM
Huh? Nadal is the favourite for the French for sure. I'd even give him the edge at Wimbledon, too. How can you suggest that Federer is the favourite for RG?

the thread titel is " Federer's chances against Murray..."

Clydey
01-09-2009, 06:10 PM
the thread titel is " Federer's chances against Murray..."

"Fed is the favorite in all GS this year. this obviously could change after the AO
for not GS tournaments fed is the favorite on clay."

The wording was misleading.

Diprosalic
01-09-2009, 06:13 PM
maybe
but why should i even talk about nadal in a Fed vs Murray thread. :)

Clydey
01-09-2009, 06:17 PM
maybe
but why should i even talk about nadal in a Fed vs Murray thread. :)

Like I said, it was the wording. You said Federer would be the favourite in all GS, not favourite against Murray. It's not a big deal.

peterparker
01-09-2009, 06:22 PM
On grass I will guess fed. is still ahead, still the best mover and will still win many points with his serve and forehand even against murray. But murray at this point will keep improving, and fed. is going to stay at the same level and in 5 months murray's game might move up another notch. The most interesting potential match in the upcoming year imo.

Albop
01-09-2009, 06:36 PM
Someone is a little too excited here.

wildegirl05
01-09-2009, 06:52 PM
Thoughts?

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Thanos
01-10-2009, 02:10 PM
If we try hard and all together we can bring Love and Joy not only to GM and to our hearts, we can even stop the Gaza war. Please, let's not understimate the power of Love :inlove:

:scared:

Byrd
01-10-2009, 02:22 PM
I think Federer has the advantage on clay as he has more experience how to play on the dirt, and has more time to construct the point as the surface is slower. On grass, slightly closer, but it depends on the bounce, if it isnt bouncing much, Muzza won't be able to attack the backhand that much, which means trouble.

t0x
01-10-2009, 02:24 PM
Fed's got more of a clay court game (at the moment...). And on grass, I think it plays more to Federer's strengths than Murray's. A mid-pace court seems to suit Murray best.

Having said that, Murray is improving whilst Federer is getting older and in decline. It wouldn't surprise me if Murray beat Federer on ANY surface if the current trend continues.

Vida
01-10-2009, 02:31 PM
Murrays wins over Fed a are a tad overrated imo. Its the slams that count for the big man, not so h2h vs youngsters anymore. Murray is still way over on the grinders side when he faces him, and I doubt he can rely on his serve to breeze through best of 5 matches to have enough in the tank for Fed in slam-semis or finals.

Thats HC, as for clay it very well might be over and out for Fed. Remember Monfils match last year at the FO semis? What a torture fest which surely contributed to blowing at vs Rafa in a total fashion as we saw. Another one of those on a earlier round and Fed wont even be there. As for Murray on dirt, way to much flatness in his shots to make him as nearly as effective as on hc, as question remains how well can he move there where sliding is a necessity and there is no grip on the feet to accelerate (something he does great on concrete). So they maybe wont even meet, and if they do Id give Fed the edge anyway either on Fo or masters (or 1000's if you will). 65 35.

Grass - Fed 75 percent. He'll put all he's got on Wimby.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 03:11 PM
I think it's pretty clear Muzza owns him on hard courts despite his unfortunate loss at the US Open.

They've only ever played on hard courts, so how do we rate Fed's chances on clay and grass......

Grass: Not good. With Muzza's improved serve, he's not easy to break. Federer hasn't had good returning stats against him in the majority of their matches. Federer's main strength on grass is his serve, but Muzza reads his serve better than anyone in the world, only Nalby comes close.

Clay: Tough one. Both of their weakest surfaces. Federer has the better results as of yet, but I expect a vast improvement on Muzza's results on it this year (though still not great). Will be interesting.

Thoughts?

Grass: Roger is favorite

Clay: Roger is overwhelming favorite

nolop
01-10-2009, 04:11 PM
I think it's pretty clear Muzza owns him on hard courts despite his unfortunate loss at the US Open.

Unfortunate? Federer was at his own league that day. Amazing !!!

Arkulari
01-10-2009, 04:26 PM
between the two of them, Roger is the favorite outside of hard courts ;)

the USO day was something else, Roger was really in JesusFed mode that day :lol:

right now, in HC, muzza is the man to beat, but Roger and Djoker can still be counted as threats ;)

gjr
01-11-2009, 02:53 AM
Until proven otherwise for me Fed is still favourite on any surface in a best of 5 sets.

As for clay, it's a non starter, Fed all the way.

Grass, as said above they're only likely to meet at Wimbledon as Fed as always plays Halle and murray will always play Queens. Fed for me at the moment at Wimbledon but I'd like to see a 3 setter on grass. might be a close match.