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octatennis
01-09-2009, 04:34 PM
well done andy!!

EnriqueIG8
01-09-2009, 04:35 PM
What a crap performance by Roger. But full credit to Murray.

miura
01-09-2009, 04:35 PM
Utter crap match. Roger resigned after he couldn't take advantage of that 0-40 in the second set.

adee-gee
01-09-2009, 04:35 PM
Brilliant stuff from Muzza. Not many people could've come back after being totally screwed by a Fedtard line judge to lose a very tight opening set, but nothing is impossible for this Scottish warrior :worship:

Go get the title champ :yeah:

the biscuit
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
Hellz yeah! :woohoo:

Fed's last point. :tape: He should retire already.

RogandyFan
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
well done andy!!

Disgusting errors from federer in the end.

MsTree
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
Never in doubt. Keep Federer in a match for long enough and he'll beat himself these days :devil:

octatennis
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
break stats for roger: 0/3

scarecrows
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
a great Berrer-like smash to finish the match from Federer

OK-ish match from Federer till he totally lost momentum in the 2nd set. He doesnt have any chance against Murray if he doesnt improve that BH

MIMIC
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
Murray was down 0-40 at one point and won 5 straight points. Superb.

Jaz
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Federer should look to retire,

he's looking slow, tired and unmotivated.

It was a very poor match by Federer.

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Andy :).

FedererBulgaria
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
WTF???Fed too bad,c`mon Roddick beat this clown!

Johnny Groove
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Wow, Federer was diabolical after not capitalizing on that 0-40 :tape:

freeandlonely
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Does Murray get into Roger's head?
Will this happen in a Grand Slam?...
Some errors were very lazy, bad...

Kitty de Sade
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Fed's attempt on MP. :help:

Congrats again to Muzza. :yeah:

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

nuff said.

2moretogo
01-09-2009, 04:38 PM
Good stuff from Muzza, but Roger, holy crap what were you doing during the 3rd set? I mean the last game of the match, Federer was so pissed. I thought he was going to throw something. The handshake at the net was also icy. This is the maddest I have seen Federer, if not ever, in a long time.

sdtoot
01-09-2009, 04:38 PM
You just wonder if Fed has got it in him these days? Well done Muzza....easy victory after being robbed the first set.

tangerine_dream
01-09-2009, 04:38 PM
This limey scot bastard Muzza teases and tortures Federer, leading him on by spotting him a set, getting his hopes up, before pouncing like a cat and taking the next two easily. Fack you, snagglepuss. :retard:

Roger literally lost his mind when he failed to break Andy early in that second set. It was all downhill from there. Roger's gotta stop being a bitch about challenges too, when was the last time he was actually right? His challenges are the worst in town.

And finally, the crowd sucks. I hope they'll be on the REAL Andy's side tomorrow in the final. :p

Arhaych
01-09-2009, 04:38 PM
This will shut up a lot of people, superb.

Way to go Andy.

Commander Data
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
This Roger sucks! What a piss poor performance in set 2 and 3. I don't see the killer instinct in him anymore. Maybe the guy is really getting old...
If he loses like that at the AO I switch Camps to the "Federror is finished" side.

Get a f...coach Roger!

Fumus
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Wtf is up with all the unforced errors from Fed!?!?!! No way he puts in that kind a performance in a grand slam...no way...

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
I called this before the tournament started. Federer puts up a good fight. Wins a set but loses the other two. Federer will never beat Murray again in a 2 out of 3 match. In a grand slam? I don't know. Federer would've gone to lose the U.S. Open had Murray gotten that break (and he did have it) in that second set. Think about it. But now if Murray's back injured, Roddick can win. God no.

rocketassist
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Federer taking lessons off Michael Berrer the best overhead in the game.

Too fucking good Muzza, after the umpire and lino bottled it because of Federer's stature at 6-6 in the breaker.

crude oil
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
lol..owned

Jaz
01-09-2009, 04:40 PM
What's with Federer's serving? His backhand was just power-less (even more than normal), and his cross-court forehand was shambolic.

Really think Federer either get a coach, or retire. It's embarrassing to see such a useless player.

l_mac
01-09-2009, 04:40 PM
Murray :worship: :kiss:

Hope his back holds up okay tomorrow.

Fed :lol: He did not look pleased.

Schu
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
DAMN!

Good Job Murray - looks like someone has Feds number big time.

Roger what was that last game and MP :help:

xargon
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
he's looking slow, tired and unmotivated.



It's the mono, don't you know?

Steelq
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
What a handshake:haha::haha:

anon57
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
:rolls:Nice MP Roger
:yeah:Good match by Murray, :oFederer find a backhand

habibko
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
brilliant performance from Federer in the first set, however after that lost chance of love:40 he couldn't regain his form and with Murray hammering his backhand the errors started to crawl back to his game, full credits to Murray for yet an outstanding performance throughout the match.

match point :tape: did Federer even shake the umpire?

some stats of Federer: 1st serve%: 65%
W/UE: 37/37

LinkMage
01-09-2009, 04:41 PM
:woohoo:

:banana:

Thanks Mugray!!!!

EnriqueIG8
01-09-2009, 04:42 PM
What's with Federer's serving? His backhand was just power-less (even more than normal), and his cross-court forehand was shambolic.

Really think Federer either get a coach, or retire. It's embarrassing to see such a useless player.

C'mon please STFU. What are you saying? This guy has 13 GS's under his belt. Yes it was a very bad performance but Murray is the best hardcourt player in the world right now so the word useless or retire? You don't know what you talking about.
Give the guy some credit.

nastoff
01-09-2009, 04:42 PM
We've seen those senseless unforced errors many times from Roger in the course of last season, it's just the fact that he was relatively solid in the first half of the match that made it look worse.

octatennis
01-09-2009, 04:42 PM
nice tank rog!!

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 04:44 PM
Expected result

Fed had no answer to the pace, guile, and finesse that is the man Andy Murray.

Bring on Aussie! It won't be any different . Exho or GS I think Murray offiially has Fed's number.

Still; I'd prefer him as a semi-final oppenant cos Fed in finals is harder to beat.

Providing both get there of course ;)

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 04:44 PM
So is Murray becoming a cheater?

rocketassist
01-09-2009, 04:45 PM
What a shame all the roasting threads are locked.

When Rodduck gets fried tomorrow we could have had a week of activity in all four of them.

Jaz
01-09-2009, 04:45 PM
C'mon please STFU. What are you saying? This guy has 13 GS's under his belt. Yes it was a very bad performance but Murray is the best hardcourt player in the world right now so the word useless or retire? You don't know what you talking about.
Give the guy some credit.

Stop taking it so seriously, Roger needs a reality check. Improve mentally and physically or lose. He dominated for years, there is simply no reason why his performance should go down during a tournament or a match. It happened so many times during last season, and same now.

And the errors? Jeez, you would never see him doing anything like that in 05-07.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 04:45 PM
I don't know what folks expect from Roger. He is on the downside of his career. Murray is on the upside. And let's not forget, Murray and Nadal are bad match ups for Roger. Roger had trouble beating Kolshi yesterday so there was no doubt he would struggle again today. I didn't expect him to lost it 6-2 6-2 in the last two. I was expecting 7-6, 7-5. But oh well. I just hope Roger wins just one more slam and then he can retire. It'd be sad if he didn't win another slam. But Australia will be either Murray or Nadal. Federe will probably lose in the quarters or semis

Commander Data
01-09-2009, 04:45 PM
strategic tank :devil:

I guess he will dig out all his weapons at AO :rolleyes:

rocketassist
01-09-2009, 04:47 PM
Everyone who beats Federer can join the club of 'cheats'......

FedererBulgaria
01-09-2009, 04:47 PM
:rolls:Nice MP Roger
:yeah:Good match by Murray, :oFederer find a backhand

Find a serve!!!

Some good shots from Fed,great 1st set,but then...:confused:

octatennis
01-09-2009, 04:47 PM
titleless season for federer :D

tennizen
01-09-2009, 04:48 PM
I didn't see the match but Murray:worship: . So many victories over Fed. Two recent victories over Nadal, Djokovic. Too big.

Fed:hug: It's all about the slams now:hug:

Clydey
01-09-2009, 04:48 PM
Stop taking it so seriously, Roger needs a reality check. Improve mentally and physically or lose. He dominated for years, there is simply no reason why his performance should go down during a tournament or a match. It happened so many times during last season, and same now.

And the errors? Jeez, you would never see him doing anything like that in 05-07.

It's a good job Murray beat Federer in straight sets in 2006. Therefore, people shouldn't use the excuse that Murray couldn't beat a prime Federer.

Byrd
01-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Ummm Federer has no fighting mentality what so ever, and his backhand is either hit or miss. Well done Muzza though, and kick ducks ass.

Nidhogg
01-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Routine.

MIMIC
01-09-2009, 04:50 PM
I'm still curious to see whether Murray can produce this kind of performance in a Slam. I really hope they meet in the semis in the Australian Open.

dylan24
01-09-2009, 04:50 PM
is murray injured?
back?
is it serious?

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 04:50 PM
Everyone who beats Federer can join the club of 'cheats'......

Everybody who takes fake timeouts joins the club of cheaters.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 04:50 PM
I don't know why Roger was mad. Maybe he was mad that he was giving advice to Murray last year how to play but he can't beat the guy! I would be embarrassed to. Roger slammed Murray last year claiming that Andy was not playing great even when Andy beat him. Then, they were 2-1 head to head. Now it's 5-2 (6-2 unofficial). Wow. This is getting even more lopsided that Nadal Federer

Rogieva
01-09-2009, 04:50 PM
7-6 1-1* *0/40 . As soon as Roger missed that the writing was on the walls.

Last shot summed up the day.

alfonsojose
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
HasbeenFed :(

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
is murray injured?
back?
is it serious?

He's not injured.

sdtoot
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
It's a good job Murray beat Federer in straight sets in 2006. Therefore, people shouldn't use the excuse that Murray couldn't beat a prime Federer.

The Americans called him 'The Kid that beat Federer' after that victory in 2006. I wonder if they call him 'The Kid that always beats Federer' now?

HarryMan
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
Was Federer wearing a rolex watch? I would say Murray played that match in an exhibition mode, which was the only reason that match was closer than this.

Murray is a nightmare match up for Roger.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
I don't know why Roger was mad. Maybe he was mad that he was giving advice to Murray last year how to play but he can't beat the guy! I would be embarrassed to. Roger slammed Murray last year claiming that Andy was not playing great even when Andy beat him. Then, they were 2-1 head to head. Now it's 5-2 (6-2 unofficial). Wow. This is getting even more lopsided that Nadal Federer

For once, I agree. Murray's wins are on hard. Most of Nadal's are on clay.

Jaz
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
It's a good job Murray beat Federer in straight sets in 2006. Therefore, people shouldn't use the excuse that Murray couldn't beat a prime Federer.

I'm not claiming that Murray is not a good player (he is quite boring and not exactly "exotic"). The point is more about Federer and his diminishing quality of play, lacking motivation - you can usually tell when he's going to lose these days, he just crumbles in the second set (against ALOT of players) - surely a mental issue.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2009, 04:52 PM
:yeah:Andy
:help:Roger

dedicated to Mellow Yellow

TPWfkV1fC-w

Clydey
01-09-2009, 04:53 PM
I'm not claiming that Murray is not a good player (he is quite boring and not exactly "exotic"). The point is more about Federer and his diminishing quality of play, lacking motivation - you can usually tell when he's going to lose these days, he just crumbles in the second set (against ALOT of players) - surely a mental issue.

Whether or not Murray is boring is a matter of opinion. I, and I'm sure many others, don't find him boring at all.

The point is that the excuses are getting old. Murray, when he wasn't half the player he is now, was one of only two people to beat Federer in 2006. He is just a bad matchup for Fed's style.

noctilux
01-09-2009, 04:55 PM
I knew this would happen after he'd won the first set :D

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 04:56 PM
For once, I agree. Murray's wins are on hard. Most of Nadal's are on clay.

The funny thing is that folks will still claim that Roger is the best hard court player in the world. um... unless he wins Australian Open, I can't see how this man can be claimed a top player on any surface. Nadal will probably win Wimbledon again. Murray will probably pick up AO or US and if he doesn't, there are a couple of other good candidates. I think Roger is just going through the motions now. He wants to get back to the top but expects folks to do him a favor and gift matches to him. But Roger doesn't have that psychological advantage over them anymore.

Xristos
01-09-2009, 04:56 PM
N I D.

Byrd
01-09-2009, 04:59 PM
I would probably put the loss down to his backhand breaking down after the 1st set, as it was quite solid then, his serving was shite throughout but his groundstokes made up for this. However when he stopped attacking the net as he did in the 1st set, and his shitty backhand turned up, he gave up.

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 05:00 PM
I don't know why Roger was mad. Maybe he was mad that he was giving advice to Murray last year how to play but he can't beat the guy! I would be embarrassed to. Roger slammed Murray last year claiming that Andy was not playing great even when Andy beat him. Then, they were 2-1 head to head. Now it's 5-2 (6-2 unofficial). Wow. This is getting even more lopsided that Nadal Federer

:lol: True say.

And Jaz are you serious Murray boring?
Murray's game when he turns it on is explosive. He reminds me of AA sometimes with his BH and returns, plus his feel drops and volleys are up there with the best. Did i mention his abilitys in defense? Serves not bad either.

danton
01-09-2009, 05:00 PM
That bloody line judge - get your specs checked!

Jaz
01-09-2009, 05:01 PM
Whether or not Murray is boring is a matter of opinion. I, and I'm sure many others, don't find him boring at all.

The point is that the excuses are getting old. Murray, when he wasn't half the player he is now, was one of only two people to beat Federer in 2006. He is just a bad matchup for Fed's style.

Sorry, what excuses?

I'm saying that Federer is playing poorly, yes it's a bad matchup. Yes Murray is a good player and will be #1 eventually.

If you compare Federer's performances his serve is worse than 08. His mental toughness is worse than 08, his returning has improved. His netplay has improved. His forehand leaks errors, his movement isn't as good. His cross-court forehand winner don't exist anymore. His tiebreak record is now diminishing.

There's only one way he's going, and it's down. BTW I'm a federer fan, would love to see him beat Sampras' record. But he surely isn't making it easy for himself.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:01 PM
To be honest, I love Fed. I don't want him to lose. But the guy has lost twice already this year, so I wouldn't expect him to go on and dominate this season. I am interested to see who else will step up and start beating Federer like Andy has. I am glad that Roddick doesn't get a crack at Fed ;)

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:02 PM
I would probably put the loss down to his backhand breaking down after the 1st set, as it was quite solid then, his serving was shite throughout but his groundstokes made up for this. However when he stopped attacking the net as he did in the 1st set, and his shitty backhand turned up, he gave up.

I thought Federer's serve kept him in it during the first set. The one out wide to Murray's forehand was particularly profitable. Fed's serve definitely broke down in sets 2 and 3, though. His percentage was lower and Murray was returning the first serve much better.

RGK
01-09-2009, 05:02 PM
Yeah. "Roger retire", just like last year. see you in GS.
because we all know FEDERER IS THE MASTER OF GRAND SLAMS.

Bilbo
01-09-2009, 05:02 PM
little midget this federer

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:03 PM
:lol: True say.

And Jaz are you serious Murray boring?
Murray's game when he turns it on is explosive. He reminds me of AA sometimes with his BH and returns, plus his feel drops and volleys are up there with the best. Did i mention his abilitys in defense? Serves not bad either.

I'd be interested to hear the post conference. Roger will probably something about how Murray missed so many chances and he was mad Murray was not beating him 6-0, 6-0. Roger will then go on to claim that he was happy with his performance and he was surprised he played so well in such a lopsided loss.

Arhaych
01-09-2009, 05:03 PM
Everybody who takes fake timeouts joins the club of cheaters.


It's troubled him all week, the stretched backhand seemed to aggravate something.

For once, your paranoia is unjustified. ;)

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Sorry, what excuses?

I'm saying that Federer is playing poorly, yes it's a bad matchup. Yes Murray is a good player and will be #1 eventually.

If you compare Federer's performances his serve is worse than 08. His mental toughness is worse than 08, his returning has improved. His netplay has improved. His forehand leaks errors, his movement isn't as good. His cross-court forehand winner don't exist anymore. His tiebreak record is now diminishing.

There's only one way he's going, and it's down. BTW I'm a federer fan, would love to see him beat Sampras' record. But he surely isn't making it easy for himself.

I view it as an excuse when people say that Federer is on the way down every time he loses. I thought he was exceptional in the first set. The best he has played since the US Open final, in fact. The set was still tight and decided on a bit of a dodgy call in the end.

Federer obviously isn't JesusFed right now, but he wasn't far off it in the first set.

scoobs
01-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Well done Andy.

Weak collapse from Federer after he failed to break in set 2, though.

Seems like Andy just needs to let him hit himself out for an hour or so then mop up what's left. Very peculiar.

Jaz
01-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Yeah. "Roger retire", just like last year. see you in GS.
because we all know FEDERER IS THE MASTER OF GRAND SLAMS.

Having a hard time believing it. There's no excuse for his poor performances this season. Moreover, there's no excuse for the total tanking during matches.

tangerine_dream
01-09-2009, 05:07 PM
Looks like Roger created another monster for himself. He'll make a brilliant coach for some lucky player one day, if he ever decides to go that route. He was full of helpful advice for Murray last year. Murray took it to heart and look what happens, he turns over a new leaf, beats all comers including Roger three times in a row. Well done, coach Fed. :yeah:

nazgul82
01-09-2009, 05:08 PM
Last point from Fed was so pathetic !

Fed in AO ? No chance !

Myrre
01-09-2009, 05:09 PM
Federer lacks match practice. All in all it wasn't that bad. There are a lot of areas that are not up to his normal standard and he still won a set against a red-hot Murray. If he can just get his serve going (what was up with all the double faults?) and gain some confidence he will be very hard to beat at AO. I just wish he would attack more on return of serve. He doesn't get any break points anyway, so there's not much to lose.

Foxy
01-09-2009, 05:09 PM
Too strong from Murray! :biceps:

Mono anyone?

He couldn't fight off the pressure in 3 tight sets. What's left for 5? USO? Yeap, right! AO? Doubt it.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:10 PM
To be fair, I still wouldn't fancy Murray's chances if he meets Federer at the AO. Seems to be a different ball game.

Myrre
01-09-2009, 05:10 PM
Last point from Fed was so pathetic !

Fed in AO ? No chance !

He was just frustrated and took a wild swing at the ball. It's normal.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2009, 05:10 PM
Having a hard time believing it. There's no excuse for his poor performances this season. Moreover, there's no excuse for the total tanking during matches.he was just up against an exceptional talent today

but, yes, he has been struggling against these types of players for some time

losing to Murray is no disgrace, but no excuses for the episodes v Canas, Volandri, Simon, Nadal on grass ;)

he's working on it i guess

wildegirl05
01-09-2009, 05:10 PM
ugh, roger's form was pathetic except for sporadic patches of good play. richly deserved win for muzza, much as it pains me to write it :(

roger, that bh against muzza :help: :rolleyes:

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 05:11 PM
:scared: errrr.... mono? :bolt:

crude oil
01-09-2009, 05:11 PM
To be fair, I still wouldn't fancy Murray's chances if he meets Federer at the AO. Seems to be a different ball game.

why would you say that?

murray plays within his comfort zone against federer...whereas federer takes all the risks..its much harder to play risky tennis for 5 sets than three sets.

karadjordje
01-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Murray is a cheating mug taking medical time out and running like rabbit after.If Nole did that I can imagine the comments.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:12 PM
You know what would make Federer even more mad? If Andy pulls out before tomorrows match. Roger will retire sooner than later. I doubt he can take being out of top 10. He won't go beyond 30.

scoobs
01-09-2009, 05:12 PM
To be fair, I still wouldn't fancy Murray's chances if he meets Federer at the AO. Seems to be a different ball game.
That's the obvious next step - Federer goes up another level in the slams in terms of concentration. Murray needs to show he can do this over best of 5.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:13 PM
I've been wondering about that bruise on Federer's cheek that has mostly faded now. What is it about the mono that caused that bruise?

Jaz
01-09-2009, 05:13 PM
he was just up against an exceptional talent today

but, yes, he has been struggling against these types of players for some time

losing to Murray is no disgrace, but no excuses for the episodes v Canas, Volandri, Simon, Nadal on grass ;)

he's working on it i guess

Yeah, it's a bit wierd. Players like Murray and Nadal will accelerate their dominance over all lower-seed players in the second set (usually).

In the Roger's case it's probably a 50/50 bet. If Roger gets to the finals in AOopen (big if) I'm going to put the bet down he will lose the 2nd set.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:15 PM
That's the obvious next step - Federer goes up another level in the slams in terms of concentration. Murray needs to show he can do this over best of 5.

Exactly. I still wonder what would have happened if the ball had correctly been called out in the 2nd set of the USO final. Took the wind out of Murray's sails after he lost the 2nd set.

He has no problem coming back against Fed, but he packed it in mentally after that 2nd set.

nastoff
01-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Poor Nieminen will have it in his conscience that he could never beat Roger. But the rest of his former victims will be queuing up.

Horatio Caine
01-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Brilliant stuff from Muzza. Not many people could've come back after being totally screwed by a Fedtard line judge to lose a very tight opening set, but nothing is impossible for this Scottish warrior :worship:

Go get the title champ :yeah:

Yep, that call was a disgrace...ball was square on the line, and Muzza was probably the favourite to win that rally given how he was pressuring the Federer backhand. :o

Brilliant fightback from Muzza...no question that he is well and truly in Federer's head, and interesting how quickly Roger wanted to leave the court, giving Murray the briefest of handshakes...and did he even shake the umpire's hand (I didn't think he did)?

Fed will have to begin to accept the head-to-head situation now (I noticed how he brushed off the Abu Dhabi defeat, even if that event wasn't all that important)...the only thing he has left going for him in their series is that Muzza has yet to beat him in a crucial match (title match or Slam match), and surely this won't be for too much longer.

But, for what it's worth, I liked what I saw of Federer this week (up to the beginning of the 2nd set of SF)...he needs to take this aggressive stance into more of his matches this year (he was more passive, I felt, last year), especially if he wants to launch a full assault on the Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open titles. I still believe he can surpass Sampras's Slam record...but time is very rapidly running out (maybe, realistically, until end of 2010).

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Murray is a cheating mug taking medical time out and running like rabbit after.If Nole did that I can imagine the comments.

The number of Murray haters is increasing. A slam beckons.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:17 PM
why would you say that?

murray plays within his comfort zone against federer...whereas federer takes all the risks..its much harder to play risky tennis for 5 sets than three sets.

Because there's a lot more at stake and Andy really didn't show anything like his best form in that final. He's been strong mentally for a while now, but he packed it in after Federer won the 2nd set in the USO final.

marcRD
01-09-2009, 05:17 PM
The way Murray play the game I dont think he will be as succesfull on grand slams as on master series and small tournaments. It is too tiresome and he doesnt have the body structure to run around like the way he does. Playing like this in 7 best of 5 matches will not be good for Murray. I predict that Federer will beat him if they face each other in a final, specialy if he plays a long match against Nadal or some other good player in the semifinal. In AO the ball bounces low which will be an advantage for Federer.

mikkemus23
01-09-2009, 05:18 PM
Even a clubplayer could do this (hehe), all it takes is always going to Rogasitos BH. Got the feeling Murray gave him a couple of FH in between just to be fair.
3 or 4 BH`s in a row at max, it will eventually break down. Every freakin` time.

Please Rogasito, please!

Diprosalic
01-09-2009, 05:18 PM
USO all over again? nobody thinks he can even make the SF :lol:

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 05:18 PM
Lol at Murray picking on Federer's backhand in the third set :lol:.

yanchr
01-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Stop taking it so seriously, Roger needs a reality check. Improve mentally and physically or lose. He dominated for years, there is simply no reason why his performance should go down during a tournament or a match. It happened so many times during last season, and same now.

And the errors? Jeez, you would never see him doing anything like that in 05-07.
The guy is not going back to 05-07. Not even a fan should expect that to ever happen. He held on to high intensity during all those years and time has come that he wasn't able to any more. I feel he is simply not motivated like he used to be in these tournaments thus the absurd errors.

His game is going down, but I still don't believe he would put on such a performance in a grand slam. Attitude is important sometimes.

Leo
01-09-2009, 05:20 PM
Lol, OWNAGE. This is getting silly. Federer can't beat Murray since USO '08.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:20 PM
USO all over again? nobody thinks he can even make the SF :lol:

You laugh now but the master has been slayed by these youngsters. Fed was lucky that he caught Djokovic in his bizarre situation at the U.S. Open and I thought Novak was still going to beat him. I guess we will see.

Diprosalic
01-09-2009, 05:23 PM
You laugh now but the master has been slayed by these youngsters. Fed was lucky that he caught Djokovic in his bizarre situation at the U.S. Open and I thought Novak was still going to beat him. I guess we will see.

so he was lucky to come in the SF lucky to beat Novak and lucky to beat Murry in straights?

what a lucky guy he is :)

biological
01-09-2009, 05:25 PM
gutted

Corey Feldman
01-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Fed 37-37 W/UE ratio

but dont read too much into that when he's playing Murray

he needs to find a way to cut UE's down in Aussie Open, he just makes too many thesedays.. the BH folds under pressure

Stgobaiano
01-09-2009, 05:31 PM
Bad for Frauderer, ¿How he will feed his Whale Miroslava without the champion prize?:confused:

Andrew:worship:

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:32 PM
Bad for Frauderer, ¿How he will feed his Whale Miroslava without the champion prize?:confused:



:haha:

That's a good point.

Eden
01-09-2009, 05:34 PM
so he was lucky to come in the SF lucky to beat Novak and lucky to beat Murry in straights?

what a lucky guy he is :)

It's a law on GM that whenever Roger wins a title it is because he has luck, it's a MM tournament :shrug:

I wasn't able to watch the match but the outcome of it don't come as a surprise after how their best of 3 matches have went so far, especially the last ones. It's disappointing that Roger couldn't use his BP's in the 2nd set, you can't miss such opportunities against the topplayers.

Congrats to Andy's victory. Hope his back is ok and he can play the final fully fit.

GM never fails to amaze how soon people jump off or on bandwagons. It's still early in the season and again Federer is written off...

AnnaK_4ever
01-09-2009, 05:34 PM
Deserved win by Andy after that pathetic line call at 6-6 in the tie-break :fiery:

But Roger's overhead on MP was way too hillarious :lol:

RGK
01-09-2009, 05:34 PM
Lol, OWNAGE. This is getting silly. Federer can't beat Murray since USO '08.

yeah. give to Roger win over Murray in AO and let Murray those wins in Masters and all that.

i dont really care.

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 05:34 PM
It's troubled him all week, the stretched backhand seemed to aggravate something.

For once, your paranoia is unjustified. ;)

If he's injured, he shouldn't play. Simple as that.

crude oil
01-09-2009, 05:38 PM
The way Murray play the game I dont think he will be as succesfull on grand slams as on master series and small tournaments. It is too tiresome and he doesnt have the body structure to run around like the way he does. Playing like this in 7 best of 5 matches will not be good for Murray. I predict that Federer will beat him if they face each other in a final, specialy if he plays a long match against Nadal or some other good player in the semifinal. In AO the ball bounces low which will be an advantage for Federer.

tough to say...many predicted nadal's body to have broken down by now..but he's #1 currently.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Roger can't beat Murray ever again. Murray didn't have the experience of a grand slam final. Murray gets stronger as matches go. Roger gets weaker it seems. Just look at Kohlschriber. Here is what I think will happen with Roger:
AO: Semi
French: Quarter
Wimbledon: Semi
US. Open: Quarter

Commander Data
01-09-2009, 05:40 PM
Murray is a nightmare match up for Roger.


Everybody that hits constant deep shot to Fed's backhand and chases down balls with steady baseline game seems to become a bad match. I don't think this slow courts play into Federers hand either... If he can't gun the opponent down with his serve and FH he gets frustrated.

tangerine_dream
01-09-2009, 05:42 PM
cyrusking, why don't you sign back in using your Fedtard_2007 alias, I'm curious to know what he thinks.

rocketassist
01-09-2009, 05:42 PM
If he's injured, he shouldn't play. Simple as that.

Federer was injured in the TMC and still played, and ran around like a rabbit after his treatment.

crude oil
01-09-2009, 05:42 PM
Because there's a lot more at stake and Andy really didn't show anything like his best form in that final. He's been strong mentally for a while now, but he packed it in after Federer won the 2nd set in the USO final.

federer was on fire in the usopen final. every fh was biting the surface. Sure murray was inexperienced and that didn't help but federer gave murray little chance in the final.

Federer is not going to play like that anytime soon against murray. Murray will also serve much better and be willing to fight harder with his experience.

As we have seen with federer lately, he can go into these rots and just lose bunches of games. Unless federer finds himself in g#d mode, it will be difficult to beat murray because murray has a proven strategy on how to beat federer and he has the tools to execute with a high %.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:45 PM
federer was on fire in the usopen final. every fh was biting the surface. Sure murray was inexperienced and that didn't help but federer gave murray little chance in the final.

Federer is not going to play like that anytime soon against murray. Murray will also serve much better and be willing to fight harder with his experience.

As we have seen with federer lately, he can go into these rots and just lose bunches of games. Unless federer finds himself in g#d mode, it will be difficult to beat murray because murray has a proven strategy on how to beat federer and he has the tools to execute with a high %.

It wasn't a case of Federer not giving Murray a chance. If you remember, Murray should have been up a break in the 2nd set but for a bad call. That took the wind completely out of his sails.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:45 PM
cyrusking, why don't you sign back in using your Fedtard_2007 alias, I'm curious to know what he thinks.

Are you seriously suggesting that I am Fedtard 2007? I have over 1000 of posts here. Go read my posts before accusing me of these things.

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:47 PM
Federers comments are up:

"It is disappointing to lose after the first set when things were going my way," Federer said. "I just couldn't give the knockout punch. But it is not a big thing.

"Andy is a tough player against me. I hope when big matches come, I beat him."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jEqV2WQQkdiNUl-buwAJsIOU3ldgD95JPJVG0

Nidhogg
01-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Keep on rocking, Fedex. To me the first set was promising for the rest of the season.

crude oil
01-09-2009, 05:50 PM
It wasn't a case of Federer not giving Murray a chance. If you remember, Murray should have been up a break in the 2nd set but for a bad call. That took the wind completely out of his sails.

not really. don't blame the linesmen. murray could have challenged and didn't. its his own fault. Federer really didn't give murray much of a chance. Sure murray had a few breakpoints but that is nothing in a 5 set match where murray got blown away in both the first and third sets.

Rafalover15
01-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Bitch

crude oil
01-09-2009, 05:52 PM
Federers comments are up:

"It is disappointing to lose after the first set when things were going my way," Federer said. "I just couldn't give the knockout punch. But it is not a big thing.

"Andy is a tough player against me. I hope when big matches come, I beat him."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jEqV2WQQkdiNUl-buwAJsIOU3ldgD95JPJVG0

:haha:

federer is :scared: :tape:

reggie1
01-09-2009, 05:53 PM
I haven't watched the match yet but nice result for Andy (and Clydey and Jolangago :hug:).
I hope Andy has a great run at AO but IMO you can't write off Federer despite what others are saying on here.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 05:54 PM
not really. don't blame the linesmen. murray could have challenged and didn't. its his own fault. Federer really didn't give murray much of a chance. Sure murray had a few breakpoints but that is nothing in a 5 set match where murray got blown away in both the first and third sets.

Don't be so silly. It was break point. No player would stop the play and risk the losing the point unless they were absolutely positive the ball was out. The fact is that it was a bad call and it would be dishonest to say that it didn't have an effect on the match. That's not to say that Murray would have won the match, but he was in a good position to win the set and have the momentum with him.

dodoboy
01-09-2009, 05:55 PM
Muzza is in his HEAD! I LOVE it!

Fun match to watch!

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 05:56 PM
:haha:

federer is :scared: :tape:

I fail to see how things were going his way. Murray should've won that first set if it wasn't for that bogus call. Never fails to surprise me. He seems to be too stubborn to learn from his mistakes.

Commander Data
01-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Federers comments are up:

"I just couldn't give the knockout punch."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jEqV2WQQkdiNUl-buwAJsIOU3ldgD95JPJVG0

I find that a bit arrogant from Federer. The way he is playing lately a 0:2 would have been nowhere near a knockout. Usually he finds a way to gift back those important breaks.

crude oil
01-09-2009, 06:00 PM
Don't be so silly. It was break point. No player would stop the play and risk the losing the point unless they were absolutely positive the ball was out. The fact is that it was a bad call and it would be dishonest to say that it didn't have an effect on the match. That's not to say that Murray would have won the match, but he was in a good position to win the set and have the momentum with him.

not really. Players on do it ALL THE TIME.

But this is a past result we are debating. The bottom line is that murray has the gameplan and tools to beat federer, and i wouldnt be surprised to see it happen unless federer plays really well like in the usopen.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-09-2009, 06:02 PM
Never in fucking doubt Muzza :bounce:

SheepleBuster
01-09-2009, 06:03 PM
not really. Players on do it ALL THE TIME.

But this is a past result we are debating. The bottom line is that murray has the gameplan and tools to beat federer, and i wouldnt be surprised to see it happen unless federer plays really well like in the usopen.

If Murray serves like he has a few times against Roger, I don't see how Federer beats him. Today wasn't that great of a serving performance from Andy which makes the result even more surprising. The U.S. Open match, Murray served terribly and he was tired. But the past is the past. Murray is not afraid of Roger anymore. In fact, if you ask him, he believes he is the better player and should beat Roger everytime ;)

Foxy
01-09-2009, 06:17 PM
Roger can't beat Murray ever again. Murray didn't have the experience of a grand slam final. Murray gets stronger as matches go. Roger gets weaker it seems. Just look at Kohlschriber. Here is what I think will happen with Roger:
AO: Semi
French: Quarter
Wimbledon: Semi
US. Open: Quarter

It won't be that bad. But still he will struggle reaching slam finals.

I guess the bag with the excuses is finally torn. Mono? Lack of training due to mono? Bad back? Exho tournament?

Matt01
01-09-2009, 06:24 PM
Never in fucking doubt Muzza :bounce:


I had lots of doubts at the beginning of the second set :scared:

Thank god that the better player won in the end :D

Clydey
01-09-2009, 06:26 PM
Federer was just as tetchy off the court as he was on it, reacting angrily to suggestions that he gave up in the closing moments of the 2hr 5min struggle and paying Murray the most backhanded of compliments in response to question's about the Scot's No 1 potential.

"If he carries on playing the way he is he will have his shot [at the top ranking], said Federer. "I would hope, though, that if he were to become world No 1 he would win a grand slam first, not like on the women's side. No disrespect to [Jelena] Jankovic [who claimed world No 1 status without winning a single grand slam title].

"Especially after the No 1s we have had in the last few years. It took Rafa [Nadal] five grand slams before he became No 1. The question is whether he [Murray] is going to win a grand slam, well 'yes'.

"He has got a chance the next few years and as the years go by I guess his chances increase because he is becoming a better player. But there are a few other guys out there who want their first slam, not only him."

Mechlan
01-09-2009, 06:31 PM
Well done Muzza. :yeah:
Go take this title now.

Roger, not too much of a surprise. At least, not to those of us who realize he's not exactly the Federer of '06. Still capable of greatness (or very-goodness) in patches, but doesn't have the consistency and motivation that he used to. Still will be a beast to play in the Slams and I wouldn't necessarily put my money on Andy if they meet in Australia.

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 06:39 PM
Federer was injured in the TMC and still played, and ran around like a rabbit after his treatment.

You must have watched a re-run of the USO thrashing and took it for the TMC RR match.

Federer was barely moving at the end of that match.

I see the fact Murray cheated today is upsetting some people.

peterparker
01-09-2009, 06:42 PM
Don't be so silly. It was break point. No player would stop the play and risk the losing the point unless they were absolutely positive the ball was out. The fact is that it was a bad call and it would be dishonest to say that it didn't have an effect on the match. That's not to say that Murray would have won the match, but he was in a good position to win the set and have the momentum with him.

Murray himself said it wouldn't have made a difference. Does what murray says matter? :)

MsTree
01-09-2009, 06:44 PM
I see the fact Murray cheated today is upsetting some people.

No only you apparently :p

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 06:46 PM
No only you apparently :p

No, just a bit disappointed. I though Murray would be a nice alternative to the cheating duo of Nadull and Fakervic.

Turns out he's actually learning from them.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 06:48 PM
Murray himself said it wouldn't have made a difference. Does what murray says matter? :)

He wasn't going to make excuses. Who knows if it would have made a difference? No one can say. The fact is that Murray would have been up a break and in position to level the match.

It doesn't even matter now.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2009, 06:51 PM
Roger, not too much of a surprise. At least, not to those of us who realize he's not exactly the Federer of '06. Still capable of greatness (or very-goodness) in patches, but doesn't have the consistency and motivation that he used to. Agreed

he doesnt win close matches anymore it seems

if Kohly had taken that TB last night i think he might even have lost there

MsTree
01-09-2009, 06:55 PM
@Glenn - So did you think Roger was cheating when he took an injury break in the TMC? Or is it only if the player wins the match after taking a time out that they're cheating?
Like you I think Djokovic is a faker, he always seems to develop injuries when he starts losing, Andy was on a roll when he had to take a time out, if anything his injury break would have benefitted Fed!

guga2120
01-09-2009, 06:57 PM
Never in doubt, well done to Andy Murray.:)

bad gambler
01-09-2009, 06:57 PM
Murray is going to have to have an off day for Federer to ever beat him on HC again. :(

MIMIC
01-09-2009, 06:58 PM
Why do people consider taking an injury timeout cheating? It's so annoying when people suggest that.

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 06:59 PM
@Glenn - So did you think Roger was cheating when he took an injury break in the TMC? Or is it only if the player wins the match after taking a time out that they're cheating?
Like you I think Djokovic is a faker, he always seems to develop injuries when he starts losing, Andy was on a roll when he had to take a time out, if anything his injury break would have benefitted Fed!

1- Federer was clearly impaired at the TMC. He was barely moving at the end, everybody could see that.
2- The third set started pretty even, we all know that momentum doesn't always carry on from one set to another. Murray was taken to deuce and took the timeout to take off Federer's cool. By now pretty much everybody knows Federer hates when players start faking timeouts and then come back playing exactly like before, fresh as a newborn baby.

Iván
01-09-2009, 06:59 PM
Roger gave an awesome 1st set display, pity about the other two.

MIMIC
01-09-2009, 07:07 PM
1- Federer was clearly impaired at the TMC. He was barely moving at the end, everybody could see that.
2- The third set started pretty even, we all know that momentum doesn't always carry on from one set to another. Murray was taken to deuce and took the timeout to take off Federer's cool. By now pretty much everybody knows Federer hates when players start faking timeouts and then come back playing exactly like before, fresh as a newborn baby.

Yeah. Fed was barely moving when he saved 7 match points. Looked like he was in a wheelchair. :rolleyes:

MsTree
01-09-2009, 07:12 PM
1- Federer was clearly impaired at the TMC. He was barely moving at the end, everybody could see that.
2- The third set started pretty even, we all know that momentum doesn't always carry on from one set to another. Murray was taken to deuce and took the timeout to take off Federer's cool. By now pretty much everybody knows Federer hates when players start faking timeouts and then come back playing exactly like before, fresh as a newborn baby.

He wasn't so injured that he had to stop playing, so does that make him a cheater and a faker? Andy looked like he was having trouble with his back today, and in a few other recent games I've watched him win, so therefore also "clearly impaired". Main difference being Andy can beat an injured Fed but Fed can't beat an injured Andy :devil:

chammer44
01-09-2009, 07:15 PM
Murray is a man possessed.

zeleni
01-09-2009, 07:22 PM
Murray owns ninja mug. Should have beaten him in that USO final.:smash:

StanShapkar
01-09-2009, 07:26 PM
Fed has won the more important match so far.
Let the Scott wins all the less important tournaments.
I am sure if these two chaps meet at 1/2 or a final of AO , the result would be just as it was in NYC 2008.

Arhaych
01-09-2009, 07:29 PM
If he's injured, he shouldn't play. Simple as that.

I feel there's a difference between a slight back niggle and an injury. It's not really something you can classify, granted, but I don't feel Murray is a cheater, we'll see if this is an isolated incident or not.

zeleni
01-09-2009, 07:40 PM
Why do people consider taking an injury timeout cheating? It's so annoying when people suggest that.

Because they are trying to rationalize their hate, or simply to attract attention on message board.:)

Rumour
01-09-2009, 07:45 PM
Too bad Federer couldn't convert any of those break points early in the second set when Murray was down 0-40 as that was possibly the match right there :( Anyway, even though he's not one of my faves and owns Fed H2H, win or lose I actually enjoy watching the Scot play against him more than Nadal or Djokovic :cool:

Deivid23
01-09-2009, 07:50 PM
Too fucking good, Andy :yeah:

Matt01
01-09-2009, 07:53 PM
Fed has won the more important match so far.
Let the Scott wins all the less important tournaments.
I am sure if these two chaps meet at 1/2 or a final of AO , the result would be just as it was in NYC 2008.


Yeah, keep telling that to yourself if it makes you happy. Fact is that Murray currently owns Fed. NYC 2008 was Murrays first Slam final, next time the Slam result will be a different one.

Wolfy
01-09-2009, 08:01 PM
:woohoo: OWNAGE

Fedexex
01-09-2009, 08:07 PM
:o:tape:no words!

reggie1
01-09-2009, 08:17 PM
I am slowly becoming a Murray fan (partly because of the fighting spirit that he shows and also because it makes tennis so much more interesting having somebody from your own country to root for, I was quite indifferent to him before) but it really astounds me how people keep calling him a "joker" and a "clown". What else does this boy have to do to prove that he is neither of these things and actually deserves his place in the top four? I know people will say "Win a grand Slam". Well, that's looking like a distinct possibility now. I would say this about him even if he was of another nationality. It just sounds like sour grapes to me from a lot of people on this thread.

gogogirl
01-09-2009, 08:20 PM
Hey All,

I agree with the ones that accept that Roger didn't play his best, had a bad day and was just outplayed by Andy. The same may haps could be said for how Roger swept Andy at the US open.

Isn't this why they play the game? They play each other because they can't play by themselves. This also means that neither can win them all. We'd be bored if the same player won all the time.

It's fine to point out how someone played - but to suggest Roger retire is just old and boring.

I love the parity on tour. There is not one player that will win every time. We don't know who'll win the AO. Andy M. lost first round last year - so...............

I was a little surprised to see D-Vic win the Masters Final - but shocked - 'ell no. There are a lot of good players at the top and in the middle, and the ones below them are improving all the time.

Roger is still definitely a winner. He knows he can beat Andy. He was just not able to execute what he knows today - and part of the reason was because Andy was playing better. The better player on the day won.

sdtoot
01-09-2009, 08:32 PM
Murray struggling to make final:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7821469.stm

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 08:56 PM
Because they are trying to rationalize their hate, or simply to attract attention on message board.:)

In simpler words: they're trolling :rolleyes:

This thread is flooding our hearts with ill feelings :sad: Mods, please close this demoniac thread and move it to the challenger forum before our souls get permanently damaged :angel:

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Although i hate it when players Withdraw from finals, its better for muz to do so rather than risk serious injury.

I just hope he recovers enough to play!

tangerine_dream
01-09-2009, 09:11 PM
"It's almost as if Murray is a better version of Federer himself"
— Chazfazzer01

BBC messageboards. :retard:

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 09:13 PM
"It's almost as if Murray is a better version of Federer himself"
— Chazfazzer01

BBC messageboards. :retard:

I've done better.

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 09:14 PM
So if Murray somehow loses he has a back injury. Don't gloat us all to death please Tangy :rolleyes:.

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 09:26 PM
Im sorry i missed the fun i lost my connection you believe that crap? :confused: Anyhow congrats to Murray he seems to have the best of Fed at this point, in the smaller tournaments anyway :devil: If Murray wants to prove to me he is in league with the top 3 he is to win a slam like i said, and preferably beat some of the top 3 along the way.

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 09:37 PM
Im sorry i missed the fun i lost my connection you believe that crap? :confused: Anyhow congrats to Murray he seems to have the best of Fed at this point, in the smaller tournaments anyway :devil: If Murray wants to prove to me he is in league with the top 3 he is to win a slam like i said, and preferably beat some of the top 3 along the way.

Can you wait 3 weeks?

Byrd
01-09-2009, 09:40 PM
I've been wondering about that bruise on Federer's cheek that has mostly faded now. What is it about the mono that caused that bruise?

Got stung on the face by a bee when he was in estoril last year :lol:

bokehlicious
01-09-2009, 09:41 PM
Congrats Muzza :yeah: becoming the king of the mickey mouse tournies is quite nice but doing it in the majors would be the real feat :shrug:

Byrd
01-09-2009, 09:44 PM
Anyone else find it weird how murray always serves almost immaculate whenever he plays Federer, and pretty much every other time he never serves this good.

Clydey
01-09-2009, 09:48 PM
Anyone else find it weird how murray always serves almost immaculate whenever he plays Federer, and pretty much every other time he never serves this good.

He served well most of the tournament. Was at 72% against Petz and in the 60s against Stahkovsky.

You serious with what you said about the bee sting? :lol:

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 09:48 PM
"It's almost as if Murray is a better version of Federer himself"
— Chazfazzer01

BBC messageboards. :retard:

:lol: I hate the 606 boards....

Murray is Scottish he hates us English remember what he said about the football team.....He's so miserable he dosent deserve our support at Wimbledon not that he'll ever win it anyway......I could never support a scottish **** like Murray.

blah blah blah......:zzz:

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 09:51 PM
Congrats Muzza :yeah: becoming the king of the mickey mouse tournies is quite nice but doing it in the majors would be the real feat :shrug:

sour grapes? :sad:

:hug: :hug:

Byrd
01-09-2009, 09:51 PM
He served well most of the tournament. Was at 72% against Petz and in the 60s against Stahkovsky.

You serious with what you said about the bee sting? :lol:

Yea, but he wasn't serving big whenever it mattered e.g the bps fed had in the 2nd set, and he did the same last year in dubai.

It's either the bee sting, or being hit in the face by a car door when he got out of a car, both stories were reported. Funny if it was both :haha:

MsTree
01-09-2009, 09:54 PM
:lol: I hate the 606 boards....

Murray is Scottish he hates us English remember what he said about the football team.....He's so miserable he dosent deserve our support at Wimbledon not that he'll ever win it anyway......I could never support a scottish **** like Murray.

blah blah blah......:zzz:

Lol I love that argument :lol: it's one of my favourites :)

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 09:57 PM
Can you wait 3 weeks?

Im not gona deny it Murray does look good, much as i hate the fact that he keeps beating Fed. All be it in the less important moments. But we all know how unpridictable tennis is, saying that Murray will win the AO for sure is a little stupid. Fed is still favorite for me, but then again you probably knew that...:fiery:

bokehlicious
01-09-2009, 10:07 PM
sour grapes? :sad:

:hug: :hug:

Must be that, 8 MM crowns >>>> 13 slams, no doubt about it :worship: :D

Yves.
01-09-2009, 10:09 PM
Federer :o Why? Always after he wins a 1st set, he loses to Murray!

star
01-09-2009, 10:14 PM
The first one was "just an Exo;" the second, "a meaningless small tournament." If Murray beats Federer at the AO, I suppose it also won't matter because it's not a prestigious slam. :lol: :lol:

Andi-M
01-09-2009, 10:17 PM
Must be that, 8 MM crowns >>>> 13 slams, no doubt about it :worship: :D

Its interesting that you seem to think Murray should have 14 slams at the age of 21 considering Fed had zero GS at the same stage in his career.

Nobody is saying Murray is the GOAT were just saying he has the game to beat Federer( i.e 6-2 H2H) The stats don't lie.

FairWeatherFan
01-09-2009, 10:22 PM
Pathetic effort Federer, truly pathetic.

bokehlicious
01-09-2009, 10:26 PM
Its interesting that you seem to think Murray should have 14 slams at the age of 21 considering Fed had zero GS at the same stage in his career.

Nobody is saying Murray is the GOAT were just saying he has the game to beat Federer( i.e 6-2 H2H) The stats don't lie.

You Muzzatards already see Murray's name on the Oz trophy, I say, come back gloating in 2 weeks, not that long to wait, is it? :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Why do people consider taking an injury timeout cheating? It's so annoying when people suggest that.

It is cheating. Injury timeouts should be just for real injuries like twisting an ankle or dislocating a shoulder.

Yeah. Fed was barely moving when he saved 7 match points. Looked like he was in a wheelchair. :rolleyes:

He was.

He wasn't so injured that he had to stop playing, so does that make him a cheater and a faker? Andy looked like he was having trouble with his back today, and in a few other recent games I've watched him win, so therefore also "clearly impaired". Main difference being Andy can beat an injured Fed but Fed can't beat an injured Andy :devil:

He played just the same before and after the fake timeout. I watched the match.

I feel there's a difference between a slight back niggle and an injury. It's not really something you can classify, granted, but I don't feel Murray is a cheater, we'll see if this is an isolated incident or not.

Let's hope it is. We already have enough cheaters on tour.

Because they are trying to rationalize their hate, or simply to attract attention on message board.:)

Maybe it's because they have something called "moral fiber" and they cling to it. ;) I know it's a hard concept for a fan of the king of cheating, Fakervic, to get.

Byrd
01-09-2009, 10:29 PM
To be honest, only Federer, Tsonga and Faker from last years AO can beat this Murray at the upcoming AO. Would of included donkey but he's out.

scarecrows
01-09-2009, 10:31 PM
Nobody is saying Murray is the GOAT were just saying he has the game to beat Federer( i.e 6-2 H2H) The stats don't lie.

it's 6-3, Federer won a backgammon game the other night

Bascule
01-09-2009, 10:38 PM
I didn't see the match, but result tells me: now it's serious. This year Fed will end as no.4, if he's lucky, of course.;)
Vamos, Muzza!

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 10:43 PM
Don't know. This Murray is pretty much playing at the same level he was playing the USO last year and Melzer, for instance, got pretty close to beat him.

All I say is that the way Murray plays, if he runs into an offensive player in a great form, he's in serious trouble.

Nathaliia
01-09-2009, 10:46 PM
There is no offensive player in the shape these days. Federer is serve only now.

Knightmace
01-09-2009, 10:50 PM
4 times Federer has won the first then lost.

:(

flexeter
01-09-2009, 10:51 PM
The first one was "just an Exo;" the second, "a meaningless small tournament." If Murray beats Federer at the AO, I suppose it also won't matter because it's not a prestigious slam. :lol: :lol:

well said, some fedtards just have to face the reality sooner or later

FedFan_2007
01-09-2009, 10:51 PM
Federer is officially done!

FedFan_2007
01-09-2009, 10:51 PM
well said, some fedtards just have to face the reality sooner or later

Am I a Fedtard? Please do not include me in that pathetic group.:sad::sad:

JolánGagó
01-09-2009, 10:52 PM
All I say is that the way Murray plays, if he runs into an offensive player in a great form, he's in serious trouble.


such as...

Knightmace
01-09-2009, 10:58 PM
Federer is getting braindead when he plays Murray just like when he plays Nadal now there;s two!

FedFan_2007
01-09-2009, 10:59 PM
Federer is getting braindead when he plays Murray just like when he plays Nadal now there;s two!

Bullshit. They're just more talented then Fed. Greater talent has a way of making less look silly and frustrated. Each loss to Murray makes me more convinced that 2008 US Open was Fed's last slam win for sure.

Cloudygirl
01-09-2009, 11:03 PM
Fed peaks at slams though. He is not playing well at the moment but he has a whole different mind set at the slams.

Even with his crap year last year he was a finalist at 3 out of 4 slams and won 1.

I think Andy is under his skin though like Rafa and I think Fed as he gets older will focus his fitness for the slams so Andy may well get ahead of him in the rankings.

Labamba
01-09-2009, 11:05 PM
good stuff from Murray :yeah:

worrying signs for Fed, especially the backhand :o

though the big match between these two will be played at the Rod Laver Arena where Roger is a totally different animal

Knightmace
01-09-2009, 11:06 PM
Bullshit. They're just more talented then Fed. Greater talent has a way of making less look silly and frustrated. Each loss to Murray makes me more convinced that 2008 US Open was Fed's last slam win for sure.
We'll see.

Even though Fed's peak might be gone, I didn't like the way he played after losing 0-40 chance to break.

Knightmace
01-09-2009, 11:06 PM
good stuff from Murray :yeah:

worrying signs for Fed, especially the backhand :o

though the big match between these two will be played at the Rod Laver Arena where Roger is a totally different animal
Then what happened in 2008 AO against Novak?

MIMIC
01-09-2009, 11:14 PM
We'll see.

Even though Fed's peak might be gone, I didn't like the way he played after losing 0-40 chance to break.

You have to give credit to Murray. He stepped up his game tremendously during that game. Not much Federer could do.

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 11:14 PM
Am I a Fedtard? Please do not include me in that pathetic group.:sad::sad:

So do Roger and all other Fedfan's a favor then and change your name.

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 11:16 PM
Federer is officially done!

You know im gona shit in your face if Roger wins the AO right?

~*BGT*~
01-09-2009, 11:17 PM
This is disgusting. :o

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 11:21 PM
Fed peaks at slams though. He is not playing well at the moment but he has a whole different mind set at the slams.

Even with his crap year last year he was a finalist at 3 out of 4 slams and won 1.

I think Andy is under his skin though like Rafa and I think Fed as he gets older will focus his fitness for the slams so Andy may well get ahead of him in the rankings.

This is the most sensible post ive seen here in a while. Its obviously about the slams for Roger now, he still won the most matches in slams last year together with Rafa.

GlennMirnyi
01-09-2009, 11:21 PM
such as...

We never know. Who'd know Tsonga/Gonzalez/Baghdatis would do what they have done in 08/07/06 before the tournament started?

MrChopin
01-09-2009, 11:22 PM
There is no offensive player in the shape these days. Federer is serve only now.

Perhaps the only sport I follow where I think the "progress" has actually led to an overall worse state in the game. Fed's own struggles have only a little to do with it though.

***

Didn't get to watch the match, but from the looks of the scoreboard, late 08 Fed is perhaps here to stay. I don't know what is with his serve, but it had little pop from what I've read and his second set percentage was quite low, like 45%? Overall not too worried as I think he'll still beat most pretty easily (I don't see him losing like he did for patches of '07, at least not for a short while), but its always sad to a watch a genius lose their touch, especially as I still think that peak Fed would be steamrolling here and that the current trend will continue moving the general game away from such heights. Still, Murray is probably the best alternative currently in the Top 10, so the continuing losses at his hands aren't unbearable.

Murray could be a real force this year, like #1 force. That may be bandwagon and he still has a long way to go, but he has really polished up several of the weak aspects of his game and is now probably no worse than 50-50 against anyone not at their peak. Fed, Nalbandian, Tsonga, maybe future Cilic, Gulbis... will still have the potential to outhit him, but guys like Nadal, Djokovic, and Simon seem to lack that kind of game/mentality, or rather, play a "modern" game, and so on hard I can't find a normal reason why he Murray won't continue having success throughout '09.

StanShapkar
01-09-2009, 11:27 PM
Fed peaks at slams though. He is not playing well at the moment but he has a whole different mind set at the slams.

Even with his crap year last year he was a finalist at 3 out of 4 slams and won 1.

I think Andy is under his skin though like Rafa and I think Fed as he gets older will focus his fitness for the slams so Andy may well get ahead of him in the rankings.
Absolutely, this is more-less the same thing what I wanted so write.
The Slams are most important for him, and will be even more important in the following years.

He is not playing well at the moment , but this performance today was much better than the first three months of 2008.
He played very good in the 1st set, probably those silly played point at 30:40 and a BP in the second set turned all the things.

Knightmace
01-09-2009, 11:38 PM
9 days til AO atleast Fed's not sick this time

bokehlicious
01-09-2009, 11:40 PM
Time to jump off that bridge for good Fedtool ;)

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 11:54 PM
Come to think of it Fed probably tanked the last two sets. Do you really think he cares about these small tournaments after all these years. He just has to make sure he is in decent form before the slams and then peak when he plays them. Its all about Pete's record now and peaking at the right time.

Igaarg
01-10-2009, 12:12 AM
First set was fine, on the net Roger was very good, problems with the first service, but nothing that better or worse than the nowadays Roger.
I couldn´t see the others sets, but the numbers are awful. Is not just that Murray is really good, Federer is so unfocus lately that I can´t believe, he has to work in that really hard. And he seems lazy at some points, like he gives up before try it.
Love Murray, he deserved to win and I hope he wins tomorrow. But I love Roger more, so I´m really dissapointed.

My english is really really bad.

Corey Feldman
01-10-2009, 12:16 AM
First set was fine, on the net Roger was very good, problems with the first service, but nothing that better or worse than the nowadays Roger.
I couldn´t see the others sets, but the numbers are awful. Is not just that Murray is really good, Federer is so unfocus lately that I can´t believe, he has to work in that really hard. And he seems lazy at some points, like he gives up before try it.
Love Murray, he deserved to win and I hope he wins tomorrow. But I love Roger more, so I´m really dissapointed.

My english is really really bad.your English is good

one of the best posts i have read here today :wavey:

federernadalfan
01-10-2009, 12:27 AM
roger looks to become murray's pigeon at this rate

StanShapkar
01-10-2009, 12:32 AM
Federer is so unfocus lately that I can´t believe, he has to work in that really hard. And he seems lazy at some points, like he gives up before try it.


My english is really really bad.

And his belly is becoming larger and larger. Seriously, he still has that beer belly.
After so many loses he became friend with Nalbandian. So much beer and sausages and so little to worry about the tennis :):):)

JolánGagó
01-10-2009, 01:02 AM
The beer gut is definitely there, someone who never watches tennis was here with me yesterday and drew my attention about it.

HeretiC
01-10-2009, 01:28 AM
The second part of the first set- absolutely beautiful tennis from both of them. :bowdown: The rest - same old story in this particular match-up. However, IMO these 2 are main candidates for AO title.

finishingmove
01-10-2009, 02:02 AM
clubfed's backhand is a piece of art.

genre: comedy.

sawan66278
01-10-2009, 02:11 AM
What this match clearly reveals is that Roger is, and will continue to struggle with Andy Murray for the remainder of his career. Andy has won five of the last seven matches against Fed...and I don't see this trend changing any time soon.

Against the best baseliners in the world...who are unafraid of staying with Federer...and are willing to put in the leg work, Federer truly struggles. Let's face it: Rafa, Murray, and Simon have the best return of serves in the world...and Roger has a losing record against all of them.

Andy Murray, other than the fleetness of foot of Roger, looks as good as Roger from the baseline...and, at times, seems to have even more variety.

This year, as I predicted, looks to be "coming out" party for Andy...and tennis will be better for it.

Has there EVER been a time when the top four men have as close to each other in skill and ability...what separates them is each one's ability to win the big points.

Rafa won EVERY big match last year by winning the critical points...of the four, it appears that Roger is the worst on the biggest points.

And one has to ask a question...can the best player of all time be a player with lopsided losing records against two of his main rivals? 6-12 losing record against Rafa; 2-5 losing record against Andy.

Roger and his team better pull out the Merck Manual...and find another illness to blame this loss on.:devil:

HeretiC
01-10-2009, 02:14 AM
clubfed's backhand is a piece of art.

genre: comedy.

Nah, it is more like a thriller, starts intensively solid, then continues with a plot after few murder shots, you are in a state of suspense how will it continues, then there are more and more clues where backhand becomes sloppy leaving evidence on the scenes of the crime and finally the truth reveals and backhand cracks under pressure from interrogation and ends up being punished in the court of law(tennis).

Knightmace
01-10-2009, 02:37 AM
What this match clearly reveals is that Roger is, and will continue to struggle with Andy Murray for the remainder of his career. Andy has won five of the last seven matches against Fed...and I don't see this trend changing any time soon.

Against the best baseliners in the world...who are unafraid of staying with Federer...and are willing to put in the leg work, Federer truly struggles. Let's face it: Rafa, Murray, and Simon have the best return of serves in the world...and Roger has a losing record against all of them.

Andy Murray, other than the fleetness of foot of Roger, looks as good as Roger from the baseline...and, at times, seems to have even more variety.

This year, as I predicted, looks to be "coming out" party for Andy...and tennis will be better for it.

Has there EVER been a time when the top four men have as close to each other in skill and ability...what separates them is each one's ability to win the big points.

Rafa won EVERY big match last year by winning the critical points...of the four, it appears that Roger is the worst on the biggest points.

And one has to ask a question...can the best player of all time be a player with lopsided losing records against two of his main rivals? 6-12 losing record against Rafa; 2-5 losing record against Andy.

Roger and his team better pull out the Merck Manual...and find another illness to blame this loss on.:devil:
The triple threat ahs now become the Fatal Four!

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-10-2009, 03:14 AM
SPARTAAAA :worship:

fast_clay
01-10-2009, 03:26 AM
The Tradesman only required a tooth pick and cheap set of steak knives to get the job done in set 2 and 3 here... complete carve up...

... too easy to see that murray is only interested in one thing... and that is owning everyone wherever and whenever he can... ATP ehos, exho's MM tourneys... sooner or later, it'll be every other grand slam... this attitude will pay off...

altho, i gotta say, it was all too easy by the end of the match... no heart from fed at the end... highlander just punched through feds ribcage, ripped his heart out and ate it raw in front of the crowd... pretty sh!t display from fed all round really, first set excluded...

Stensland
01-10-2009, 03:31 AM
highlander just punched through feds ribcage, ripped his heart out and ate it raw in front of the crowd...

classic! :lol::lol:

Stgobaiano
01-10-2009, 03:34 AM
SPARTAAAA :worship:

:rocker2:

roberthenman
01-10-2009, 03:42 AM
Murray :worship:

green25814
01-10-2009, 03:49 AM
Come to think of it Fed probably tanked the last two sets. Do you really think he cares about these small tournaments after all these years. He just has to make sure he is in decent form before the slams and then peak when he plays them. Its all about Pete's record now and peaking at the right time.

What a retarded post.

Why would fed put in such an effort to win the first set only to tank the next two? Weird logic.

Murray is the most complete player on tour.

meihaditalab
01-10-2009, 05:05 AM
this is a good victory for murray

habibko
01-10-2009, 05:59 AM
Yeah, keep telling that to yourself if it makes you happy. Fact is that Murray currently owns Fed. NYC 2008 was Murrays first Slam final, next time the Slam result will be a different one.

I'm getting sick and tired of this pathetic excuse, what is this "inexperience" of Murray that is brought up everytime their US match is mentioned, since when has it become a rule that players lose their first Grand Slam final because of inexperience? I don't recall Federer or Nadal having "inexperience" problems in their first GS final, Murray lost because he was outplayed by Federer, inexperience is the excuse of losers.

Polikarpov
01-10-2009, 06:06 AM
The last point pretty much summed up Roger's game for the past year.

Hugh Jaas
01-10-2009, 06:08 AM
Federer needs to hit the gym, his left arm looks like a toothpick.

SPARTA TENNIS OWNS BALLET TENNIS

Clydey
01-10-2009, 06:16 AM
The Tradesman only required a tooth pick and cheap set of steak knives to get the job done in set 2 and 3 here... complete carve up...

... too easy to see that murray is only interested in one thing... and that is owning everyone wherever and whenever he can... ATP ehos, exho's MM tourneys... sooner or later, it'll be every other grand slam... this attitude will pay off...

altho, i gotta say, it was all too easy by the end of the match... no heart from fed at the end... highlander just punched through feds ribcage, ripped his heart out and ate it raw in front of the crowd... pretty sh!t display from fed all round really, first set excluded...

Federer is like the Kurgan. Murray is Christopher Lambert.

A picture of Federer during yesterday's match.

http://homepage.mac.com/djkuhn/kurgan.jpg

A picture of Murray and his coach, just before the umpire warned him for coaching.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020415/174116__highlander_l.jpg

habibko
01-10-2009, 06:18 AM
Then what happened in 2008 AO against Novak?

mono happened remember? :o

by the way why is everyone debating Murray's chances against Fed in AO semis or final, he must beat 5 different players to be in that position, something he never did in the AO, he might be a bad matchup for Federer but there are many players on tour who - on their day - can beat Murray even in his best, lets not get ahead of ourselves now shall we? would be very embarrassing if this much anticipated match didn't even occur :rolleyes:

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 06:37 AM
What a retarded post.

Why would fed put in such an effort to win the first set only to tank the next two? Weird logic.

Murray is the most complete player on tour.

:lol: I think you know what im trying to say, or maybe you are the retarded one? Its not normal for Roger to win two sets in a row 2 and 2, its probably never hapened before. IF he didnt tank then something was wrong. Its so obvious that Roger is now focused on the slams. If you cant see that you really dont know much.

Clydey
01-10-2009, 06:40 AM
:lol: I think you know what im trying to say, or maybe you are the retarded one? Its not normal for Roger to win two sets in a row 2 and 2, its probably never hapened before. IF he didnt tank then something was wrong. Its so obvious that Roger is now focused on the slams. If you cant see that you really dont know much.

I think I know what was wrong. Federer pissed Murray off before the match in the locker room. Someone caught it on camera.

kGNj1yR9eEY&feature=related

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 06:48 AM
I think I know what was wrong. Federer pissed Murray off before the match in the locker room. Someone caught it on camera.

kGNj1yR9eEY&feature=related

I dont see anything here :confused:

Clydey
01-10-2009, 06:51 AM
I dont see anything here :confused:

The video didn't work for you? Works fine for me.

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 07:05 AM
No it doesnt wrok for me, here is one that works for me. Imagine its the AO final and Roger is the king while murray is the black guy, AKA the US Open.

EmOH5f1J1Uc

Kolya
01-10-2009, 07:13 AM
This Murray is good.

Foxy
01-10-2009, 07:28 AM
I wonder what, you double hearted fedtards, excuse are going to find for GS failure this year? I crave for that moment and I won't have to wait long... Just some weeks.

habibko
01-10-2009, 07:31 AM
Foxy, define failure.

No it doesnt wrok for me, here is one that works for me. Imagine its the AO final and Roger is the king while murray is the black guy, AKA the US Open.

RFK would disagree, not like his opinion matters anyway ;)

ORGASMATRON
01-10-2009, 07:51 AM
I wonder what, you double hearted fedtards, excuse are going to find for GS failure this year? I crave for that moment and I won't have to wait long... Just some weeks.

If last year was anything to go by you would be wrong AGAIN. :smash:

the biscuit
01-10-2009, 08:03 AM
And his belly is becoming larger and larger. Seriously, he still has that beer belly.
After so many loses he became friend with Nalbandian. So much beer and sausages and so little to worry about the tennis :):):)

He's not even shy about it.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7018/federeroo7.png

:o

AnnaK_4ever
01-10-2009, 08:40 AM
I'm getting sick and tired of this pathetic excuse, what is this "inexperience" of Murray that is brought up everytime their US match is mentioned, since when has it become a rule that players lose their first Grand Slam final because of inexperience? I don't recall Federer or Nadal having "inexperience" problems in their first GS final, Murray lost because he was outplayed by Federer, inexperience is the excuse of losers.

Maybe it has something to do with their opponents in the first slam finals? You know, those two GOATs namely Philippoussis and Puerta?