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French tennis booming

Komodo
01-08-2009, 11:36 PM
If you check the draw of the high caliber challenger draw in Noumea, you will see that no less than 14 of 32 players are from France.
Come on, that is just ridiculous.

This is not even looking at ATP level where everything is clicking as well, but it gives an idea of the incredible depth that subsequently also produces the many top players in the top 20.

Amazing.

Regards,
Komodo

Dame Tursu
01-08-2009, 11:45 PM
Nouvelle Calédonie is a former French colony. It may be one of the explanations to this situation.

Komodo
01-09-2009, 12:20 AM
Three of the 14 french players are wildcards, 1 is qualified.
Hence, there are still 10 regular players in a challenger where the last direct acceptance ranking is 218.

Looking at Sao Paolo, there are actually 10 brazilians in it, which relativizes the whole thing a bit.
Of those, only 6 are in regularly, with the last direct acceptance being Dutra Silva (Bra) at 243. And those 6 include all the best brazilian players except Bellucci which puts it into perspective.

I still think that 14/32 is very impressive, especially since the best ranked french player who bothered playing this is Mannarino at No.134, and there are 14 french players with a better ranking.

Baghdatis#1
01-09-2009, 12:29 AM
Yes. French tennis is amazing. They have so much depth:eek:. Hence the dact that they host:
-Roland Garros
-Paris masters
-Metz ATP
-Marseille ATP
-any more?

Stensland
01-09-2009, 12:30 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=129088&highlight=federation&page=2

i think 'booa' has explained the way the french tennis federation recruits youngsters quite well. apparently it's starting to pay off big time at the moment.

Dame Tursu
01-09-2009, 02:44 AM
Yes. French tennis is amazing. They have so much depth:eek:. Hence the dact that they host:
-Roland Garros
-Paris masters
-Metz ATP
-Marseille ATP
-any more?

You've forgotten Lyon ;)
It's right that the federation has been doing a big work these last years and it finally pays.
There's also a change in our player's way to see competition and victory. During years and years, many of them looked like they were afraid of becoming a sort of star, someone too much exposed to medias, pressure,...Gasquet is a good example. In Roland Garros, he suddenly plays bad because he wants to do it well for everyone but him.
With the new good players that improved their game and who have begun to win, there's a new dynamic : they want to win, they are competitive, they believe that they can win. It was not always the case before and well, that's interesting.

El Legenda
01-09-2009, 04:09 AM
France sucks at wars.

Dame Tursu
01-09-2009, 04:20 AM
France sucks at wars.

Thanks God we suck at war ;)
It's not a defect to me but I ignored Canadians were that good at war :scratch:

guy in sf
01-09-2009, 04:41 AM
France sucks at wars.

What is your point in bringing this up? You hate France so if you see someone complimenting this country you feel it's your duty to knock it down? Your comment has NOTHING to do with this post, it just create divisiveness.

El Legenda
01-09-2009, 04:44 AM
What is your point in bringing this up? You hate France so if you see someone complimenting this country you feel it's your duty to knock it down? Your comment has NOTHING to do with this post, it just create divisiveness.

http://www.political-humor.org/graphics/how-about-a-nice-cup-of-shut-the-fuck-up.jpg

NinaNina19
01-09-2009, 04:55 AM
Thanks God we suck at war ;)
It's not a defect to me but I ignored Canadians were that good at war :scratch:

No one wants to start wars with Canada. Canada :worship:.

Dame Tursu
01-09-2009, 04:59 AM
No one wants to start wars with Canada. Canada :worship:.

:angel:

duong
01-09-2009, 07:30 AM
Nouvelle Calédonie is a former French colony. It may be one of the explanations to this situation.

it's still a French territory actually ;)

(for the statisticians, it's a part of the "French Republic" but not of the "Whole France" actually :haha: )

As for the Canadians, they helped the French a lot in the two world wars :worship:

In the north of France, near Le Touquet, there's a very large Canadian cemetery for instance.

Other countries : don't worry too much about French tennis : in generations 91 to 94, France is quite weak actually :sad:

And Canada seems to have two young good players in generation 94 : Edward Nguyen and the other one is Peliwo (both finalist and semi-finalist in Orange Bowl, I think)

Månu
01-09-2009, 07:31 AM
More impressive I think is the fact that there are 3 French players (2 already + the winner of Tsonga-Gasquet) in the semis of the ATP tournaments this week. French players used to be average players between 40 and 100 plus one or two having some results (Pioline, Grosjean, Escude). Today there are 5 French players that can win tournaments (Tsonga, Simon, Monfils, Gasquet and Mathieu).

simplet
01-09-2009, 07:55 AM
More impressive I think is the fact that there are 3 French players (2 already + the winner of Tsonga-Gasquet) in the semis of the ATP tournaments this week. French players used to be average players between 40 and 100 plus one or two having some results (Pioline, Grosjean, Escude). Today there are 5 French players that can win tournaments (Tsonga, Simon, Monfils, Gasquet and Mathieu).

Actually even Llodra and Santoro have won tournaments last year, and Benneteau was a finalist twice. But if you're talking about bigger events, then yeah only those five can go far.

duong
01-09-2009, 09:13 AM
it's a great time for French tennis.

Maybe we will manage to have 3 players in the top-10 as it happened only one week in French tennis history during the open era :

the Ranking on the 4th of August 1986 :

Noah was 4th, Leconte 9th, Tulasne 10th

(Forget and Benhabiles also emerged that year to be at best 25th and 22nd)

And the 2nd best year for the French tennis before now was 2001 :
the best week Grosjean was 8th, Clément 13th, Santoro 19th, Escudé 25th
... and the French won the Davis Cup in Australia on grass (Escudé beating Hewitt)

Also a good year for Golmard, Boutter, Di Pasquale ... and it was the end of Pioline's carreer

So far 1986, 2001 and 2008 have been the best years for French tennis.

CooCooCachoo
01-09-2009, 09:19 AM
If you check the draw of the high caliber challenger draw in Noumea, you will see that no less than 14 of 32 players are from France.
Come on, that is just ridiculous.

This is not even looking at ATP level where everything is clicking as well, but it gives an idea of the incredible depth that subsequently also produces the many top players in the top 20.

Amazing.

Regards,
Komodo

The fact that Nouméa is part of New Caledonia, a French overseas territory, really explains that. Last year there were 13 French players in that draw. In 2007 as well. Surely French tennis hasn't been booming throughout?

Moreover, Nouméa is not a high-calibre Challenger. It's a pretty strong event, but with a cut-off of #218 it's not in the upper echelon whatsoever.

Dame Tursu
01-09-2009, 10:55 AM
it's still a French territory actually ;)

C'est vrai :scared:
Déformation domienne. J'aime pas le concept de "territoire" en fait ;)

You've forgotten Dancevic who's quite good and really pleasant to watch.

richie21
01-09-2009, 11:07 AM
Let's see:

Tsonga: will probably win a GS
Gasquet: will PERHAPS(a huge perhaps) win 1 Wimbledon
Simon: will not win a GS
Monfils: will not win a GS
PHM: will not a win GS

As long as a french player won't have won a GS,you just can't totally say that french tennis is blooming.

lisaplenske
01-09-2009, 11:34 AM
Monfils could also win a GC in my opinion.

You watched his match against nadal yesterday?

duong
01-09-2009, 11:44 AM
C'est vrai :scared:
Déformation domienne. J'aime pas le concept de "territoire" en fait ;)

You've forgotten Dancevic who's quite good and really pleasant to watch.


yes it's true but the two very young Nguyen and Peliwo are even more promising (Nguyen also won "les petits as")

reggie1
01-09-2009, 12:01 PM
Let's see:

Tsonga: will probably win a GS
Gasquet: will PERHAPS(a huge perhaps) win 1 Wimbledon
Simon: will not win a GS
Monfils: will not win a GS
PHM: will not a win GS

As long as a french player won't have won a GS,you just can't totally say that french tennis is blooming.

"R" you really worry me sometimes. I have visions of you living in a lovely sunny part of France, in a nice house, nice french food and wine at your disposal, everybody else happy outside but YOU sitting at your computer with a big rain cloud just above YOUR head being a misery guts. Come on, be happy for once and have a "my glass is half full" attitude regarding French tennis. It's a hell of a lot better than British tennis, Murray is extremely lonely out there! Honestly, try to cheer up mate! :hug:

Dame Tursu
01-09-2009, 12:04 PM
yes it's true but the two very young Nguyen and Peliwo are even more promising (Nguyen also won "les petits as")

I've never seen Nguyen and Peliwo playing but I'll surely do it soon. Out of subject but it's like Stakhovsky. I had never had the chance to see him and yesterday I noticed he was very promising.

richie21
01-09-2009, 12:32 PM
"R" you really worry me sometimes. I have visions of you living in a lovely sunny part of France, in a nice house, nice french food and wine at your disposal, everybody else happy outside but YOU sitting at your computer with a big rain cloud just above YOUR head being a misery guts. Come on, be happy for once and have a "my glass is half full" attitude regarding French tennis. It's a hell of a lot better than British tennis, Murray is extremely lonely out there! Honestly, try to cheer up mate! :hug:

Perhaps but he'll probably win more Grand Slams than all the french players of last 25 years combined!

reggie1
01-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Perhaps but he'll probably win more Grand Slams than all the french players of last 25 years combined!

I just don't know how to cheer you up! :shrug: Maybe it's just mission impossible "R"?

richie21
01-10-2009, 04:59 PM
I just don't know how to cheer you up! :shrug: Maybe it's just mission impossible "R"?

You'd better try to cheer the real Richie up if you can meet him,he needs it much more than me!;)

Baghdatis#1
01-11-2009, 12:51 AM
Why can't France win the DC? Or at least reach the semis?

richie21
01-11-2009, 12:55 AM
Why can't France win the DC? Or at least reach the semis?

Who cares about the DC really?
It's a second rate competition that most of the top players don't really care for(cf Sampras,Federer,Agassi)

canbera
01-11-2009, 01:21 PM
with all due respect, since it's your opinion and this is a message board, but Davis Cup means a lot to France's best players.

reggie1
01-11-2009, 01:25 PM
You'd better try to cheer the real Richie up if you can meet him,he needs it much more than me!;)

:haha::haha: Yeah you're a regular ray of sunshine! ;)