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Federer is not dominant on Hardcourts anymore

FedFan_2007
01-08-2009, 07:52 PM
Since his 2007 Dubai win when he was north of 8000 ranking points and at the absolute peak of his career:

These are his losses on hardcourts:

2007 IW - Canas
2007 Miami - Canas
2007 Montreal - Djokovic
2007 Madrid - Nalbandian
2007 Paris - Nalbandian
2008 Dubai - Murray
2008 IW - Fish
2008 Miami - Roddick
2008 Toronto - Simon
2008 Cincy - Karlovic
2008 Olympics - Blake
2008 Madrid - Murray
2008 TMC - Simon, Murray

These are the titles:

2007 Cincy, USO, Basel, TMC
2008 USO, Basel

No on in early 2007 could imagine he would suddenly be so vulnerable on his best surface, losing 14 times out of 20 events.

His legend was created from 2003 Vienna-2007 Dubai

He won 29 hardcourt events and only lost 8 times.

So from that peak of 29-8 in 37 events, he's gone 6-14 in his last 20 hardcourt events.

feuselino
01-08-2009, 08:02 PM
Glenn must have been on the juice to beat this guy in the ACC 2008, there is no other explanation...

Dini
01-08-2009, 08:03 PM
I am surprised you haven't changed your name to Bandwagoner_2009. What has taken you so long?

Fed and fan don't go together in your case. All you do is bl00dy bash him and talk about how Nadal, Djokovic and co are so much better. Oh wait. Wasn't it Federer that made it through to the Semi's today? Djokovic loses in the first round and Nadal, well we all saw what happened

bokehlicious
01-08-2009, 08:04 PM
Who cares? As long as he keeps dominating on the dirt I'm fine :cool: :D

FedFan_2007
01-08-2009, 08:05 PM
I am surprised you haven't changed your name to Bandwagoner_2009. What has taken you so long?

Fed and fan don't go together in your case. All you do is bl00dy bash him and talk about how Nadal, Djokovic and co are so much better. Oh wait. Wasn't it Federer that made it through to the Semi's today? Djokovic loses in the first round and Nadal, well we all saw what happened

Actually I totally hate Nadal and couldn't care less about Djokovic. What is wrong with pointing out what happened to Roger on hardcourts since 2007 Dubai? Heck, even at his absolute peak run(2003-2007), he only won 29/38 hardcourt events which doesn't measure up with Nadal's win rate on clay(2005-2008).

Dini
01-08-2009, 08:15 PM
Actually I totally hate Nadal and couldn't care less about Djokovic. What is wrong with pointing out what happened to Roger on hardcourts since 2007 Dubai? Heck, even at his absolute peak run(2003-2007), he only won 29/38 hardcourt events which doesn't measure up with Nadal's win rate on clay(2005-2008).

It just getting repetitive. Everything you say is something negative about Federer. When was the last time you actually just sat and appreciated his sensational tennis? 2007? Thought so.

If this thread had been written by some other person I would discuss the facts etc and take this seriously but because you have turned into a 24/7 basher I won't bother. What does Federer have to do to? He is 27 for heaven's sake-- a lot of younger kids are catching up and have more energy. What the hell do you want him to do? Win every single match? Win all the tourny's? Win all the Slams? It is not possible, Federer has lost that dominance so just sit and appreciate that he tries his hardest and that you lived to see this GOAT play tennis.

Oh and go look up loyalty in the dictionary. It might help.

FedFan_2007
01-08-2009, 08:18 PM
Hey I'm loyal, look at my siggy. I'm just pointing out that Federer lost that "aura of invinciblity" a long time ago. Because many bash him for that. He hasn't had the aura since losing to Canas 2x in March 2007.

Vin Judah
01-08-2009, 08:18 PM
Actually I totally hate Nadal and couldn't care less about Djokovic. What is wrong with pointing out what happened to Roger on hardcourts since 2007 Dubai? Heck, even at his absolute peak run(2003-2007), he only won 29/38 hardcourt events which doesn't measure up with Nadal's win rate on clay(2005-2008).

how the hell can u use the word only for winning 29/38 events??? :eek:

meihaditalab
01-08-2009, 08:22 PM
this is true. he's lost his game all around.

Matt01
01-08-2009, 08:26 PM
This thread is coming one year too late.

Dini
01-08-2009, 08:28 PM
Hey I'm loyal, look at my siggy. I'm just pointing out that Federer lost that "aura of invinciblity" a long time ago. Because many bash him for that. He hasn't had the aura since losing to Canas 2x in March 2007.

To be fair that dominance might have gone (we are yet to see the full 2009 season) but the invincibility is still there. I can't even count the number of threads that have been made about Federer "losing dominance" and "is not capable of winning slams" etc...it just getting tiresome. Its just that your expectations are way too extreme. No one has won all the matches they've entered for and no one has won all the slams every year. That record is very good in my opinion and the use of "only" in your paragraph just goes on to highlight the fact that you want complete perfection. And btw its a lot easier to dominate clay than hard court. Everyone knows how to play hard court-- they used these courts since infancy until their pro career. But with clay its totally different- you have to be a specialist to be dominant. I hope you realise that fact.

There is no thing such as "hardcourt specialist"-- every player knows how to play on that surface and play well. So Federer has done extremely well to be the Hard court dominance over the last few years.

With clay you get talented people like Murray totally flopping.

Byrd
01-08-2009, 08:36 PM
From a psychological point of view, FedFan needs to post threads like this about Federer's loss of form, as it still hasn't beckoned on him how bad his idol has become , in which reminding himself 24/7 seems to do the job, real sad to be honest :haha:

Steelq
01-08-2009, 08:42 PM
Hey I'm loyal, look at my siggy. I'm just pointing out that Federer lost that "aura of invinciblity" a long time ago. Because many bash him for that. He hasn't had the aura since losing to Canas 2x in March 2007.
So why did you open this thread now?

rwn
01-08-2009, 08:58 PM
Stop trolling Fedhater_2009 :rolleyes:

Corey Feldman
01-08-2009, 09:11 PM
he just doesnt move as good anymore on HC sadly

tennisman.
01-08-2009, 09:46 PM
He should grow back the ninja haircut!

FedFan_2007
01-08-2009, 10:40 PM
NinjaFed!

Jaz
01-08-2009, 11:23 PM
I think it's obvious he's not the player he was....

But does anyone care? He's still performing on-par with the other "top-4" - That's pretty good considering he's about 5 years older than the lot of them and probably with less motivation.

I dont think anyone expects him to win much all the time except to make a serious challenge for Sampras's 14. (heck...I'm sure he'll get the final of one of the GS this season).

ORGASMATRON
01-08-2009, 11:44 PM
Yeah i have to agree with the others i think you are a disgrace to Fed and his fans. First of all why do you call yourself fedfan and then bash him? Second if you want to bash at least get your stats right. Roger won the AO in 2007, pretty big one to leave out dont you think? So he won three slams in 07. Then he had one bad year in '08. It's not even a decline yet, it could still have been a slump. If he wins the AO this year he can probably win another three slams this year. I think its time you remove that name of yours, you obviously have no appreciation of tennis or greatness.

FedFan_2007
01-08-2009, 11:47 PM
Yeah i have to agree with the others i think you are a disgrace to Fed and his fans. First of all why do you call yourself fedfan and then bash him? Second if you want to bash at least get your stats right. Roger won the AO in 2007, pretty big one to leave out dont you think? So he won three slams in 07. Then he had one bad year in '08. It's not even a decline yet, it could still have been a slump. If he wind the AO this year he can probably win another three slams this year. I think its time you remove that name of yours, you obviously have no appreciation of tennis or greatness.

I talked about the 20 hardcourts events AFTER Dubai in 2007! Pay attention to my words. :rolleyes:

Dini
01-08-2009, 11:52 PM
Oh so you choose after Dubai to get a reason to bash him. Well obviously your plan has failed. He has won 3 Hard Court Slams since 2007. Enough said. Has anyone one more HC slams in that period? No didn't think so.

habibko
01-08-2009, 11:53 PM
Yeah i have to agree with the others i think you are a disgrace to Fed and his fans. First of all why do you call yourself fedfan and then bash him? Second if you want to bash at least get your stats right. Roger won the AO in 2007, pretty big one to leave out dont you think? So he won three slams in 07. Then he had one bad year in '08. It's not even a decline yet, it could still have been a slump. If he wins the AO this year he can probably win another three slams this year. I think its time you remove that name of yours, you obviously have no appreciation of tennis or greatness.

you will get used to it :hug:

FedFan_2007
01-08-2009, 11:57 PM
Oh so you choose after Dubai to get a reason to bash him. Well obviously your plan has failed. He has won 3 Hard Court Slams since 2007. Enough said. Has anyone one more HC slams in that period? No didn't think so.

I start counting from March 2007 to present. That~s 2 hardcourt slams(US Opens). The reason is that I believe when he showed up to Indian Wells something changed in him and he was not the same player anymore.

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 12:09 AM
I talked about the 20 hardcourts events AFTER Dubai in 2007! Pay attention to my words. :rolleyes:

Doesnt matter i still think you should change your name, it makes you look bad trust me. If you want to take a bad period for Fed then start at the AO of '08. You dont start a bad perod and then win 2 more slams in the same year, it makes no sense at all. Your knowledge of tennis is seriously lacking, or you are just looking for attention.

ORGASMATRON
01-09-2009, 12:15 AM
Oh i forgot to mention the Masters Cup, bad hardcourt year indeed. Guess he must be God then if he wins two hard court slams in one year plus the MC and then and its called a bad stretch on hard court. LMFAO.

FedFan_2007
01-09-2009, 12:15 AM
2008 on hardcourts

AO - SF
Dubai - 1R
IW - SF
Miami - QF
Toronto - 2R
Cincy - 4R
Olympics - QF
USO - W
Basel - W
Madrid - SF
Paris - QF
TMC - RR

2 finals out of 12 events, 2-0 in finals

You are correct in 2007 he was still dominant on hardcourts, making 8 finals out of 11 events. Going 6-2 in those finals. I guess the real story of 2008 was his lack of hardcourt finals.

luvly1
01-09-2009, 12:35 AM
2008 on hardcourts

AO - SF
Dubai - 1R
IW - SF
Miami - QF
Toronto - 2R
Cincy - 4R
Olympics - QF
USO - W
Basel - W
Madrid - SF
Paris - QF
TMC - RR

2 finals out of 12 events, 2-0 in finals

You are correct in 2007 he was still dominant on hardcourts, making 8 finals out of 11 events. Going 6-2 in those finals. I guess the real story of 2008 was his lack of hardcourt finals.


not defending his hc points from 07 is the reason he lost his number one ranking he defended two hard court titles in 08 uso and basel the previous year he had six and he pretty much lost early by his "standards" in all the other events.

at the end of 2008 his ranking points had dropped 1300+ points he lost the most points out of anyone in the top 50 and i am like 85% postive of that

fred perry
01-09-2009, 12:47 AM
there are only two hard court tournaments he cares about.

Mimi
01-09-2009, 12:51 AM
:lol: Fedfan2007 working on his anti-jinxing power towards roger again :lol:

dam0dred
01-09-2009, 12:58 AM
After 5 years of unprecedented domination, well yeah it had to end sometime.

This is not really news is it?