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Where will current top 10 finish at end of 2009?

Allez-Ollie
12-29-2008, 10:55 PM
Just read an interesting article about what kind of year the current top 10 will have in 2009. Provocative and daring to say the least!

http://www.inside-tennis.net/tennis-stories_561_ATP-Top-10-preview-2009.html

I'd be very surprised if Murray doesn't win a slam in 2009.

Kolya
12-29-2008, 10:59 PM
Surprised by the number of titles they predicted will be won by a few players.

Allez-Ollie
12-29-2008, 11:11 PM
Surprised by the number of titles they predicted will be won by a few players.

2009 will feature possibly the strongest top 10 in recent years so I would go along with some of the predictions.

krystlel
12-29-2008, 11:20 PM
It is provocative and daring, to expect almost the same players to vacate the top 10 in the next year. But seriously, I don't think you need to hype yourself up here, I think the readers care more about whether it seems to make sense or not rather than how bold it is.

Which your article is fine, it promotes a discussion without being too 'out there'.

So to add my thoughts...

Davydenko always manages to stay in the top 5, because whenever he seems to be in a bit of a rut, he picks it up again. He'll find a way to pick up those ranking points again.

Even though Simon's game is based around consistency, I do not see him consistently making it deep throughout an entire year. For me when I watch him, it always seems to take a lot for him to put in those special performances when he plays really well, almost like it's out of his comfort zone. And when he doesn't play well, he really labours hard.

It wasn't a miserable year for Federer, when I think of the word miserable, I think of someone that has a year without any highlights, or only highlights at the lower level. It was definitely inconsistent though. At times throughout the year, it looked like he was close to getting it together. It wasn't all bad for Federer, he had a relatively good claycourt and grasscourt season, then the US Open was his major highlight of course.

There is a lot of Tsonga hype out there, from many of the articles I've read. It sure will be interesting to see how he does, I have no clue myself.

Allez-Ollie
12-29-2008, 11:35 PM
It is provocative and daring, to expect almost the same players to vacate the top 10 in the next year. But seriously, I don't think you need to hype yourself up here, I think the readers care more about whether it seems to make sense or not rather than how bold it is.

Which your article is fine, it promotes a discussion without being too 'out there'.

So to add my thoughts...

Davydenko always manages to stay in the top 5, because whenever he seems to be in a bit of a rut, he picks it up again. He'll find a way to pick up those ranking points again.

Even though Simon's game is based around consistency, I do not see him consistently making it deep throughout an entire year. For me when I watch him, it always seems to take a lot for him to put in those special performances when he plays really well, almost like it's out of his comfort zone. And when he doesn't play well, he really labours hard.

It wasn't a miserable year for Federer, when I think of the word miserable, I think of someone that has a year without any highlights, or only highlights at the lower level. It was definitely inconsistent though. At times throughout the year, it looked like he was close to getting it together. It wasn't all bad for Federer, he had a relatively good claycourt and grasscourt season, then the US Open was his major highlight of course.

There is a lot of Tsonga hype out there, from many of the articles I've read. It sure will be interesting to see how he does, I have no clue myself.

Well hello there Krystel! Thanks for your thoughts.
Federer's 2008 compared to 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 was by comparison pretty miserable. I mean the way he lost to Nadal at RG and then to lose the Wimbledon final after fighting back like that and getting a break point in the latter stages of the 5th set. He must have cried buckets in the lockerroom after that. It's not every day you get the chance to create history with 6 Wimbledon titles in a row and see it evaporate before you. A truly wretched experience.
At least he got to smile after Flushing Meadows.:)

krystlel
12-29-2008, 11:39 PM
Well hello there Krystel! Thanks for your thoughts.
Federer's 2008 compared to 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 was by comparison pretty miserable. I mean the way he lost to Nadal at RG and then to lose the Wimbledon final after fighting back like that and getting a break point in the latter stages of the 5th set. He must have cried buckets in the lockerroom after that. It's not every day you get the chance to create history with 6 Wimbledon titles in a row and see it evaporate before you. A truly wretched experience.
At least he got to smile after Flushing Meadows.:)
It's an interesting example you give. Sure those losses were heartbreaking, losing a big match always is, but that's a different sort of thing. I would be thinking of Indian Wells/Miami and Toronto/Cincinnati, in particular which sort of seemed like a slump comparatively.

Allez-Ollie
12-29-2008, 11:59 PM
It's an interesting example you give. Sure those losses were heartbreaking, losing a big match always is, but that's a different sort of thing. I would be thinking of Indian Wells/Miami and Toronto/Cincinnati, in particular which sort of seemed like a slump comparatively.
At this stage of his career, it's all about the majors as it was for Sampras towards the end of his illustrious career. I don't think he cares so much about the Masters Series events these days. Of course, he will care a lot more in 2009 if he wants to get back to no.1.

AnnaK_4ever
12-30-2008, 12:17 AM
They assume nine of year-end top-tenners will have won 46 out of 64 titles and the rest 91 top-100 players will have won only 18...
They know what they're talking about :tape:

Allez-Ollie
12-30-2008, 12:29 AM
They assume nine of year-end top-tenners will have won 46 out of 64 titles and the rest 91 top-100 players will have won only 18...
They know what they're talking about :tape:

Like your avatar. Who is that?
I guess if most of the top 10 have a consistent year then it is totally feasible.

Clydey
12-30-2008, 12:32 AM
I think your rankings for the top 4 are pretty sound, but I'd swap Djokovic and Murray. I can see Murray taking the 2nd or 3rd spots. I can't claim to be totally objective when it comes to Murray, however.

Sunset of Age
12-30-2008, 12:41 AM
Federer's 2008 compared to 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 was by comparison pretty miserable.

Still a season 99.9% of all of the ATP tour would give his left/right arm for...

I mean the way he lost to Nadal at RG and then to lose the Wimbledon final after fighting back like that and getting a break point in the latter stages of the 5th set. He must have cried buckets in the lockerroom after that. It's not every day you get the chance to create history with 6 Wimbledon titles in a row and see it evaporate before you. A truly wretched experience.

Just like Rafa did only a year before, thinking he indeed blew his best chance of getting that Wimbly title in 2007, after losing that battle that would've gone either way just the same way it did in 2008! :)
Well how things seem to be able to end up eventually... ;)

At least he got to smile after Flushing Meadows.:)

Saved Fed's season, no doubt about that - and possibly the rest of the career ahead of him. Glad he made it there, it would have been a real shame if he'd have pulled a Borg/Henin if he didn't. :angel: :yeah:

MIMIC
12-30-2008, 12:48 AM
The write-up about Blake makes me sad :(

And Novak finally ascending to the No. 2 spot? I can live with that :)

chammer44
12-30-2008, 12:54 AM
Well hello there Krystel! Thanks for your thoughts.
Federer's 2008 compared to 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 was by comparison pretty miserable. I mean the way he lost to Nadal at RG and then to lose the Wimbledon final after fighting back like that and getting a break point in the latter stages of the 5th set. He must have cried buckets in the lockerroom after that.

Not to worry...he did.

DartMarcus
12-30-2008, 07:01 AM
Roddick would do better with new coach.
And no fantastic year for Fed ;)

HattonWBA
12-30-2008, 01:44 PM
1 - Nadal
2 - Federer
3 - Djokovic
4 - Murray
5 - Davydenko
6 - Del Potro
7 - Gasquet
8 - Tsonga
9 - Roddick
10 - Monfils

ORGASMATRON
12-30-2008, 02:34 PM
Yes, daring indeed. I wouldnt want to make a prediction like that, im not even sure if its worth it. Nevertheless he deserves credit for making the effort. I like what he says about Roger :) As for Murray there is no guarentees that he will win a slam. I hope he doesnt.

Allez-Ollie
12-30-2008, 06:06 PM
Yes, daring indeed. I wouldnt want to make a prediction like that, im not even sure if its worth it. Nevertheless he deserves credit for making the effort. I like what he says about Roger :) As for Murray there is no guarentees that he will win a slam. I hope he doesnt.

Murray is on par with Djokovic right now so it's logical that he ought to win a Slam at some point whether we like it or not. My guess is that he will win the US Open one day but probably not next year.

Dougie
12-30-2008, 07:36 PM
Murray is on par with Djokovic right now so it's logical that he ought to win a Slam at some point whether we like it or not. My guess is that he will win the US Open one day but probably not next year.

Murray and Djokovic are probably pretty equal, but whereas Murray has yet to win a GS, the pressure is already off from Nole. And as the competition is extremely tough at the top at the moment, it might take surprisingly long for Murray to win a GS. And the longer it takes, the more difficult it gets.

LleytonMonfils
12-30-2008, 07:51 PM
1. Federer ~ He'll win 1 slam this year and make all 4 finals
2. Nadal ~ RG is a lock, everything else is up in the air
3. Murray ~ Consistency is the key, but that 1st GS might still elude him
4. Djokovic ~ Down year for Nole that will humble both he and his family
5. Tsonga ~ Stay healthy and this kid is a threat to any one of the top 4 players
6. Roddick ~ Many forget Andy was looking solid the early part of 2008, one last push for the American
7. Davydenko ~ Does everything well, but nothing great
8. Del Potro ~ Needs to broaden his game and develop more weapons
9. Simon ~ Another player that does everything well, won't threaten any SLAMS though
10. Soderling ~ My WILDCARD for 2009

tangerine_dream
12-30-2008, 08:31 PM
What's in store for the top ten players in 2009:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/pgStory?contentId=8859996#sport=TENNIS&photo=8856018

10. James Blake. Given what a ho-hum year it was for the veteran American (he reached two finals and three semis), it's amazing he finished ranked this high, but he did consistently reach a ton of final eights. He'll turn 30 at the end of 2009 and given that speed is one of his greatest assets and he's bound to lose a little of it, he had better put up some huge results in what will likely be his last year as a top 10 player. He can play powerful and creative tennis, but needs to tone it down a little and play smarter. If he doesn't, he could end his career having failed to reach a Slam semifinal.

9. Juan Martin del Potro. Next year will prove whether the tall and fierce-hitting Argentine has the goods to be a top-five player. Physically, the towering 20-year-old is almost there, even though he still needs to polish up his attack. Mentally, he needs to show that he can adapt to the world's biggest stages, which he wasn't able to do last year.

8. Andy Roddick. Last year was the first time since 2002 that Roddick didn't finish in the top-6. He didn't play badly, but rarely found the confidence level that brought him to No. 1 in 2003 and he's simply being outmoved by better players. While on a great day he can still take out anyone, those moments are fewer and farther between. It's not inconceivable given how good some of the youngsters are getting that Roddick could slip out of the top 10 by the end of 2009. But if Roddick's new coach, Larry Stefanki, can get him to play to his strengths rather than trying to cover up his weaknesses, he should be heard from in a substantial way for at least one more year.

7. Gilles Simon. France may not have a stable of great players, but it sure does have a lot of very good players, highlighted by the once-obscure Simon, a quick, fast-handed player who makes the most of out his tools. The 24-year-old doesn't have the physical strength to be a dominant player, but he anticipates extremely well and should be able to push into the second weeks of the Slam in 2009.

6. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. If he had managed to play a full season, the leaping Frenchman almost certainly would have finished ahead of Davydenko, but a knee injury submarined him during the summer. He's about as exciting of a player as the tour has seen in the past few years and if the 23-year-old can stay healthy for a full year -- which he's never been able to do -- his blowtorch serve, forehand and aggressive net game will make him a consistent threat to the top players.

5. Nikolay Davydenko. What to say about this understated veteran Russian, who pops his bald head up in big events with relentless, tireless performances about four times a year and then weaves his way back into the woodwork? He does not have the personality of a great champion, but has worked diligently to transform himself into an excellent all-around player. He's peaked at age 27, but it will be a long while before this backboard slips way down the rankings chart.

4. Andy Murray. The pressure continues to increase for the multi-talented Scot, who beat Federer three times in 2008, reached his first Slam final in New York, and won two Masters Series crowns. He's a tremendous shotmaker, is smart and competes hard, but despite his trademark bicep-flex after winning matches, the thin man can get worn down. If he can improve another 5 percent and avoid too many long early-round matches, his first Slam crown should arrive in '09. If it occurs at Wimbledon, watch the normally staid fans tear the Fred Perry statue down.

3. Novak Djokovic. A stellar beginning and end to the season for the sturdy Serb, winning his first Slam at the Aussie Open and then putting a cherry on it with the Tennis Masters Cup title. He's a bold sort with a take-no-prisoners attitude, but at times gets himself into trouble by being too boastful and confrontational. Still, if he can keep his emotions in check, he's a good enough player to challenge for the No. 1 ranking in 2009.

2. Roger Federer. Federer's 2008 was a good year by most players' standards, but not a great year by the Swiss' amazingly high standards. A brilliant, gutsy run at the U.S. Open saved his year, but a lingering case of mono and improved play by the likes of Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray brought him slightly back to the pack. He's just one major title short of Pete Sampras' all-time mark of 14 Grand Slams and should be expected to tie it in 2009, but at 27, he's likely now on a one-Slam-title-per-year pace and for all of his creativity and know-how, breaking the American's mark with increasing miles on his tires in 2009 with likely prove to be too difficult.

1. Rafael Nadal. By far the Spaniard's best season ever, with Nadal winning his first non-clay court Slam at Wimbledon, taking his fourth straight crown at Roland Garros, winning the Olympic gold on hard courts and five other significant titles. While he was clearly worn down physically after Beijing and was forced to miss the Tennis Masters Cup and the Davis Cup final, no player scored as many impressive victories over his top rivals as Nadal did. His goals in 2009 should be to win a hard-court Slam, and his best chance will come in Australia, after his right knee has healed and he's had seven weeks of rest. The 22-year-old has improved his all-around game enough for a long stint at No. 1, but if the lefty doesn't schedule himself more carefully, he could run himself into the ground by age 26, a la Bjorn Borg.

krystlel
12-30-2008, 08:40 PM
^ I think that's a pretty good article from Matt Cronin, if it is indeed written by him. I don't necessarily usually like reading what he writes normally.

reggie1
12-30-2008, 09:21 PM
. I can't claim to be totally objective when it comes to Murray, however.

Noooooooooooo, Clydey, surely not! :lol:

spriwi
12-30-2008, 09:39 PM
They assume nine of year-end top-tenners will have won 46 out of 64 titles and the rest 91 top-100 players will have won only 18...
They know what they're talking about :tape:

exactly my thoughts :worship:

Clydey
12-30-2008, 10:21 PM
Noooooooooooo, Clydey, surely not! :lol:

I don't think anyone can claim to be totally objective when they discuss their favourite player. If Murray does overtake Nole next year, I'll feel somewhat vindicated.

finishingmove
12-30-2008, 10:38 PM
I don't think anyone can claim to be totally objective when they discuss their favourite player. If Murray does overtake Nole next year, I'll feel somewhat vindicated.

:rolleyes:

biological
12-30-2008, 10:40 PM
I reckon Fedex will be back at number one. This isn't totally free of bias, admittedly, but it's my honest opinion.

LleytonMonfils
12-31-2008, 02:19 AM
^ I think that's a pretty good article from Matt Cronin, if it is indeed written by him. I don't necessarily usually like reading what he writes normally.

Hell give me his job. I said almost exactly everything he said in the top 10 above that article.

krystlel
12-31-2008, 02:40 AM
Hell give me his job. I said almost exactly everything he said in the top 10 above that article.
It's more about the writing and the reasoning behind the predictions, rather than the actual predictions themselves. Although you would expect all journalists to have adequate writing skills, so that part probably shouldn't be judged.

Clydey
12-31-2008, 04:29 AM
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: to you too.

Clydey
12-31-2008, 04:30 AM
Although you would expect all journalists to have adequate writing skills, so that part probably shouldn't be judged.

They should, but they don't.

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-01-2009, 04:02 AM
10. Tsonga - Ali wannabe will ballbash his way to some minor wins
9. Davydonkey - will play 100 minor tournies
8. Roddick - good solid player
7. Del Potro - will play 100 minor tournies (and outperform Donkey)
6. Federer - will make a couple of GS semi/quarters with the help of the cheating tennis admin/crowds

and now for the real players/men of the ATP

5. Monfils - athletic defense will rise him to the elite of the game
4. Simon - mentally a beast who will stand up against all
3. Murray - will continue to evolve, will learn how to win GS against cheating admins
2. Djokovic - perfect tennis will go one step higher, shutting up idiot spectators around the world
1. Nadal - DEFENSE will humiliate idiot attackers for another year, intellect will reign supreme over the monkey like net players and ball bashers

Kolya
01-01-2009, 06:04 AM
Davydenko actually played less in 2008.

Allez-Ollie
01-02-2009, 03:00 PM
1 - Nadal
2 - Federer
3 - Djokovic
4 - Murray
5 - Davydenko
6 - Del Potro
7 - Gasquet
8 - Tsonga
9 - Roddick
10 - Monfils

Would be great to see Gasquet and Monfils in the year end top 10. They are certainly good enough but somehow I doubt if they will have the necessary consistent results.

ivankg
01-02-2009, 10:41 PM
1. Nadal
2. Murray
3. Djokovic
4. Federer
5. Tsonga
...

~*BGT*~
01-02-2009, 11:36 PM
1 - Nadal
2 - Federer
3 - Djokovic
4 - Murray
5 - Davydenko
6 - Del Potro
7 - Gasquet
8 - Tsonga
9 - Roddick
10 - Monfils

What? No Korolev? ;) :p

Andi-M
01-02-2009, 11:45 PM
This is too hard this year top 4 are all so equal!

Article is decent they've got the right cast but in the Wrong roles :p.

richie21
01-02-2009, 11:58 PM
Would be great to see Gasquet and Monfils in the year end top 10. They are certainly good enough but somehow I doubt if they will have the necessary consistent results.


Why would it be great to see Monfils in the top 10? :rolleyes:

~*BGT*~
01-03-2009, 12:19 AM
This is too hard this year top 4 are all so equal!

Article is decent they've got the right cast but in the Wrong roles :p.

Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray

Hmmmm... one of these is not like the others. :scratch: Let's see: "RG/Wimbledon winner", "USO winner", "AO winner", and "won 2 TMS titles". :shrug: Not at all equal imho.

Baghdatis#1
01-03-2009, 12:34 AM
well, someone will be out coz there must be room for Marcos.

Spes
01-03-2009, 12:37 AM
well, someone will be out coz there must be room for Marcos.

:spit:

It's impossible to predict these things, who would think at the start of last year that Murray would be top five and Del Potro, Simon, and Tsonga top ten?

Baghdatis#1
01-03-2009, 12:39 AM
:spit:

It's impossible to predict these things, who would think at the start of last year that Murray would be top five and Del Potro, Simon, and Tsonga top ten?

I'm just predicting. Sure I hope this will happen but we must see how Marcos plays in the first few months of the season to start predicting.

Allez-Ollie
01-06-2009, 12:35 AM
Why would it be great to see Monfils in the top 10? :rolleyes:

Pourquoi? Because it is about time he fulfilled his potential as a top 10 player. I hope he will do it one day.

meihaditalab
01-06-2009, 12:51 AM
1- Nadal
2- djokovic
3- Federer
4- Murray
5- Del Potro
6- Davydenko
7-Gasquet
8-Nalbandian
9-Monfils
10-Blake

Allez-Ollie
09-08-2009, 09:51 PM
I think with Cilic's defeat of Murray, the author is right on the money! Murray slips to 4 by end of year, and Cilic in the top 10! :worship:

marcRD
09-08-2009, 09:58 PM
The author is really a Nostradamous here, really good prediction even if he made some mistakes here and there. Even Blake beeing blown out of the top 10 and Cilic approaching is spot on, you change Nadal with Djokovic and put Roddick and del Potro ahead of Tsonga and the list is almost 100% right.

jcempire
09-08-2009, 10:06 PM
Very interest

Allez-Ollie
09-09-2009, 12:38 PM
Here is the author's (written late last year) end of year top 10 prediction

•1. Roger Federer

•2. Novak Djokovic

•3 Rafael Nadal

•4. Andy Murray

•5. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga

•6. Juan Martin Del Potro

•7. Gilles Simon

•8. Nikolay Davydenko

•9. Andy Roddick

•10. Marin Cilic

Djokovic would probably need to win the US Open and/or have a brilliant late season to pull off No.2 ranking.

jcempire
09-09-2009, 02:50 PM
Here is the author's (written late last year) end of year top 10 prediction

•1. Roger Federer

•2. Novak Djokovic

•3 Rafael Nadal

•4. Andy Murray

•5. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga

•6. Juan Martin Del Potro

•7. Gilles Simon

•8. Nikolay Davydenko

•9. Andy Roddick

•10. Marin Cilic

Djokovic would probably need to win the US Open and/or have a brilliant late season to pull off No.2 ranking.


Not near
only right on Federer