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Hellenic Forum?

Baghdatis#1
12-11-2008, 12:00 AM
I think that a Hellenic Forum on this website is necessary, so fans can cheer for Greek and Cypriot players on the ATP tour. This possible forum will include a seperated forum for Marcos Baghdatis attached to it. It will include the current threads:
-Photos Kallias
-Dimitris Kleftakos
-Paris Gemouchidis
-Vasilis Mazarakis
-Konstantinos Economidis
-Alexander Jakupovic
-Greeks or Cypriots?
*New threads will be made for various things like Club Championships, Results, Rankings, Juniors, National Championships, Other players, Davis Cup, Greek stuff talk, etc.

For those of you who disagree with the idea of including Greek and Cypriot players in one forum, here are Greek-Cypriot alliance reasons(feel free to post more if you know any) :
-It will be similar to Chicos Latinos, just smaller.
-Cyprus and Greece share the same national anthem.
-Cyprus Airways is a small airline that operates flights from Cyprus to other destinations, Greece domestic and Greece to other destinations.
-When Cyprus had a drought this summer, Greece was the first to help them.
-Turkish-Cypriot athletes are very rare, and the ones that exist do not play under the Cypriot flag, they play under the Turkish one.
-tennisnews.gr is a website for Greek tennis. They frequently interview Marcos Baghdatis of Cyprus, and in the sections entitled"tennis in greece-men", they talk about Marcos Baghdatis.
-In Bagdatis' interview about the World Cup in 2006 during the French Open, he said"since Greece is not in it, I will be rooting for France, since I train there".
-Life in Cyprus is very similar to life in Greece, as they eat the same food, speak the same language, share similar cultures, same major religion, etc.
-Trapeza Kyprou(Cyprus Bank)is one of the biggest banks in Greece.
-After Cyprus got their independence from Great Britain(prior to the Turkish invasion of 1974), they wanted to unite with Greece.
-On most Greece travel websites, they include a small section about Cyprus.
-In the Greek tack and field national championships this year(the only National Championship i watched), Cypriot athletes such as Eleni Artymata, Alissa Kallinikiou, etc. competed.
-Marcos Baghdatis did an exhibition match this summer in Athens.
-On skyscrapercity.com, a forum where people talk about business in their countries, there is a forum called the Hellenic Agora, which includes threads and subforums about Greek and Cypriot business.
-In Eurovision, all Cypriot singers ever were from the Greek side. The Cyprus national final is broadcasted in Greece, vice versa. Anna Vissi was born in Larnaca, Cyprus and competed in 3 Eurovisions, 2 for Greece and 1 for Cyprus.
-They have the same popular singers.
-In some Olympiads, there are Cypriot athletes that compete under the Greek flag. In the 2008 Olympics, I was in Greece and I saw frequent coverage and interviews of Cypriot athletes.
-In my church in NY, there are many Cypriots(it is a Greek-Orthodox church). In the Greek afternoon school, the kids learn about Cyprus and Greece. At our annual Hellenic Festival, they have a secton called the Cyprus Corner, where they sell different Cypriot foods. Kids at the school also learn traditional Greek and Cypriot dances. When people ask the Greek-Cypriots what nationallity they are in my neighborhood(e.g.my friends), they all say that they are Greek, and nothing else.) In the EuroCup, they all wore Greek jerseys, like the Australia based Hellas Fan Club, which most of you here probably know about already.
-On yahooanswers.com, in the Greece section, there is also discussion about Cyprus.
-The Greek national football team occasionally plays friendly matches in Cyprus, against teams other than Cyprus. I think 2 years ago they played Kazakhstan.
-Before 1974, Cypriot sports clubs played in the Greek championships. I don't recall if it was every sport, since I wasn't around back then, but I know for a fact that it was definetely with volleyball.
-On Greeksoccer.com, they have forums for both Greek and Cypriot football teams, and SubForums for other leagues(e.g.English,Spanish,Argentine,French,Itali an,German,Turkish, etc.). They even have a Baghdatis thread, a Cyprus invasion thread, Cyprus politics, etc.
-In New York's annual GreekIndependenceDayParade on 5th avenue, there are Cypriot foundations that march, as well as people waving American,Greek, and Cypriot flags.

I think I explained it enough.:wavey:

Baghdatis#1
12-11-2008, 12:22 AM
Also, on tennisforum.com, I recently joined a game called WCTT and in Hopman Cup I am competing for Greece using Marcos Baghdatis and Eleni Daniilidou.

El Legenda
12-11-2008, 05:00 AM
Hell no :)

Getta
12-11-2008, 05:45 AM
It will include the current threads:
-Photos Kallias
-Dimitris Kleftakos
-Paris Gemouchidis
-Vasilis Mazarakis
-Konstantinos Economidis
-Alexander Jakupovic

All these are crappy players. They don't deserve a seperate forum.

This possible forum will include a seperated forum for Marcos Baghdatis attached to it.

The only worth-mentioning player is Baghdatis. Baghdatis is Cypriot, not Greek. He may be Greek-Cypriot, but still Cypriot.

The truth is, we can't ignore the Turkish-Cypriots. :shrug: So, to answer your question, I would say no, definitely not, for political, social, moral and humanitarian reasons.

Nathaliia
12-11-2008, 07:52 AM
Kostas kastoria as a moderator, don't forget it

Caio_Brasil
12-11-2008, 02:50 PM
Hellas Must Get His Auto Subforum!! And Kostas Kostidis For The Moderation So He Can Habe More Power In His Hands.

Getta
12-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Hellas Must Get His Auto Subforum!! And Kostas Kostidis For The Moderation So He Can Habe More Power In His Hands.

Xristos would be absolutely delighted to help Kostas Kastoria. As a vice-mod of course. :worship:

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 12:08 AM
All these are crappy players. They don't deserve a seperate forum.



The truth is, we can't ignore the Turkish-Cypriots. :shrug: So, to answer your question, I would say no, definitely not, for political, social, moral and humanitarian reasons.

1st, it doesn't matter if they aren't the best players on tour. It is partially based on fan support whether or not you have a forum.

2nd, like I said, skyscrapercity.com has a forum called the Hellenic Agora, and it is for threads on Greece and Cyprus. Also, once again...there has NEVER EVER EVER been a Turkish-Cypriot athlete that plays for Cyprus-they all play for Turkey, so really you can't say that.

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 01:26 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Greek_riots#Riots_in_Cyprus

Nathaliia
12-12-2008, 03:25 PM
I voted "yes" because there are many Greek members on MTF and so far the only place where they can go is Kostas Kastoria thread, where the events from Greek tennis are discussed. We also must remember we have many respected Greek posters on this forum who live in other countries, for example Xristos or Merton, we should also think about them.

Zirconek
12-12-2008, 04:24 PM
I voted "yes" because there are many Greek members on MTF and so far the only place where they can go is Kostas Kastoria thread, where the events from Greek tennis are discussed. We also must remember we have many respected Greek posters on this forum who live in other countries, for example Xristos or Merton, we should also think about them.

Polish players could leave the "rest of the world" and be included where?
a) Germany
b) Czech Republic
c) Slovakia
d) Ukraine
e) create a Baltic forum
:tape:

We also have fabulous Polish posters in MTF :worship:

Nathaliia
12-12-2008, 05:42 PM
What is your problem? Why should it be added to Germany?

Baltic or Slavic is okay as for me. I'd like to get in touch with other Polish posters, like DATS or mtw. I think they should be encouraged to post more.

Zirconek
12-12-2008, 05:46 PM
What is your problem? Why should it be added to Germany?

Baltic or Slavic is okay as for me. I'd like to get in touch with other Polish posters, like DATS or mtw. I think they should be encouraged to post more.

I took care of all boarderlines :shrug: :p
sorry if you feel offended :o it was supposed to be a joke.

Nathaliia
12-12-2008, 05:54 PM
Hellenic is not the same as Greek, this is why I don't see a problem for Baghdatis added there, just like I see no problem in having Polish players in a Slavic or Baltic forum.

Getta is a native Greek and she sees a problem, she has a right to give her opinion, and other people have the right to give their opinion; all I know is Greeks are very devoted tennis fans even though their tennis sucks. Fortunately there are young hopes such as Xristos and Kostas Kastoria - as Getta correctly mentioned these two should take care of moderation of the forum.

Getta
12-12-2008, 06:14 PM
We also must remember we have many respected Greek posters on this forum who live in other countries, for example Xristos or Merton, we should also think about them.

Merton stopped posting on MTF.

Hellenic is not the same as Greek, this is why I don't see a problem for Baghdatis added there, just like I see no problem in having Polish players in a Slavic or Baltic forum.

What are you talking about, Nathii? :o

"Hellenic" means "Greek". I'm a Greek citizen. "Hellenic Republic" is written on my passport, not "Greek Republic".

:secret: "Hellenic" and "Greek" are two words synonyms.

Anyway, I suspect that many MTF members want desperately a clownish forum, just like the clownish Kostas Kastoria's thread. Then, that's fine with me. :shrug:

~Maya~
12-12-2008, 06:44 PM
I voted- Yes

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 07:52 PM
Well, Hellenic comes from the Greek word"Elliniko" which means Greek. However, in Spanish, "Espanol" means Spanish, and yet the Latin-Americans have a seperate forum from Spain. If colombiano means Colombian and venezolano means Venezuelan, then I see no problem with a Hellenic Forum. Yes, Greece and Cyprus are 2 seperate nations, but they both SHARE THE HELLENIC CULTURE and Turkish-Cypriot athletes PLAY UNDER THE TURKISH FLAG, so I really don't see a political problem with this if the Turkish-Cypriots play for Turkey anyways. Also, let the Poles make a Baltic Forum. That actually sounds like a good idea if you combine Poles with Gulbis, Berankis, etc.

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 08:00 PM
Just for the record, I am a Greek that lives abroad. I just have a Greek flag in my icon though. Like Xristos used to have. I know tons of Greek-Cypriots in the NY area, and when people ask what nationallity they are, they say Greek, and nothing else. Getta, I'm sorry that you don't understand this, but I guess its different for you because maybe you don't know many Greek-Cypriots since you are not in the dispora:shrug:.

Nathaliia
12-12-2008, 08:15 PM
Ouch, sorry Getta, I tried to find on wikipedia what I meant, but it guess it was a so-called "false-friend." We were taught on history class about "Hellenic period" in history which included countries with the Greek culture that weren't really Greece; then anything anyhow related to Greece would count.

Getta
12-12-2008, 08:17 PM
Just for the record, Marcos Baghdatis was offered the French nationality and the Greek nationality, a few years ago. He rejected both of them by saying he feels Cypriot.

Anyway, I got tired of being the punching bag here. Have a nice day. :wavey:


EDIT: Nathii :smooch:

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 09:03 PM
I searched wikipedia for the defintion of hellenic and it gave me this definition:
The Greeks (Greek: Έλληνες, IPA: [ˈe̞line̞s]) are a nation and ethnic group native to Greece, Cyprus and neighbouring regions. In addition, Greeks have established a plethora of vibrant expatriate communities around the world, forming a large Greek diaspora.[20]

Greek colonies and communities have been historically established in most corners of the Mediterranean but Greeks have always been centered around the Aegean Sea, where Greek has been spoken since antiquity.[21] Until the early 20th century, Greeks were uniformly distributed between the Greek peninsula, the western coast of Asia Minor, Pontus, Cyprus and Constantinople, regions which coincided to a large extent with the borders of the Byzantine Empire of the late 11th century and the Eastern Mediterranean areas of the ancient Greek colonization.[22]

In the aftermath of the Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922), a large-scale population exchange between Greece and Turkey transferred and confined ethnic Greeks almost entirely into the borders of the modern Greek state and Cyprus. Other ethnic Greek populations can be found from Southern Italy to the Caucasus and in diaspora communities in a number of other countries. Today, the vast majority of Greeks are at least nominally adherents of Greek Orthodoxy.[23][24
...it also said:
In the twentieth century, many Greeks left their traditional homelands for economic reasons resulting in large migrations from Greece and Cyprus to the United States, Great Britain, Australia, Canada, Germany, and South Africa, especially after the Second World War (1939-45), the Greek Civil War (1946-49), and the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus in 1974.[113]...
The total number of Greeks living outside Greece and Cyprus today is a contentious issue. Where Census figures are available it shows around 3 million Greeks outside of Greece and Cyprus. Estimates provided by the Council of Hellenes Abroad {SAE} put the figure at around 7 million worldwide. According to George Prevelakis of Sorbonne University, the number is closer to just below 5 million.[109] Integration, intermarriage and loss of the Greek language also influence the definition and self-definition of Greeks of the Diaspora. Important centres of the New Greek Diaspora today are Chicago, London, New York, Melbourne and Toronto.[109] Recently, a law was passed by the Hellenic Parliament that enables Diaspora Greeks to vote in the elections of the Greek state...
Today, Greeks are the majority ethnic group in the Hellenic Republic[1] where they constitute 93% of that country's population and the Republic of Cyprus[3] where they comprise 78% of the island's population (excluding Turkish settlers in the occupied part of the country). Greek populations have not traditionally exhibited high rates of growth; nonetheless the population of Greece has shown regular increase since the country's first census in 1828. Most of the population growth since the state's foundation has resulted from annexation of new territories and the influx of 1.5 million Greek refugees following the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey.[102] About 80% of the population of Greece is urban[103] with 28% concentrated in the city of Athens.[104]

Greeks from Cyprus have a history of emigration, usually to the English speaking world as a result of the island's colonization by the British Empire. Waves of emigration followed the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, while the population decreased between mid-1974 and 1977 as a result of emigration, war losses and a temporary decline in fertility. After the ethnic cleansing[105][106][107] of a third of the Greek population of the island in 1974 there was also an increase in the number of Greek Cypriots leaving, especially for the Middle East. This contributed to a decrease in population which tapered off in the 1990s. More than two thirds of the Greek population in Cyprus is urban.[108]

There is a sizeable Greek minority of about 60,000 people, in Albania.[9] The Greek minority of Turkey which numbered upwards of 200,000 people after the 1923 exchange has now dwindled to a few thousand, following the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom and other state sponsored violence and discrimination. There are also smaller Greek minorities in the rest of the Balkan countries, the Levant and the Black Sea states, remnants of the Old Greek Diaspora (pre-19th century).[109]

The New Greek Diaspora (post-19th century) has mainly been towards the Western, in particular the English-speaking, World. The Greek population outside Greece and Cyprus is around 5 million, though estimates vary.[109] The trend towards migration to the (modern) West began in the 15th century and continues to this day as Greeks are attracted to the educational and professional opportunities available in the Western World. After Greece the second largest concentration of Greeks in one country is in the United States, while New York City and Melbourne are among the largest "Greek" cities...
The Mycenaeans quickly penetrated the Aegean and by the 15th century BC had reached Rhodes, Crete, Cyprus and the shores of Asia Minor. From 1,200 BC the Dorians, another Greek speaking people, followed from Epirus. The Dorian Migration was followed by a poorly attested period of migrations, appropriately called the Greek Dark Ages, but by 800 BC the landscape of Classical Greece was discernible...
The Mycenaeans quickly penetrated the Aegean and by the 15th century BC had reached Rhodes, Crete, Cyprus and the shores of Asia Minor. From 1,200 BC the Dorians, another Greek speaking people, followed from Epirus. The Dorian Migration was followed by a poorly attested period of migrations, appropriately called the Greek Dark Ages, but by 800 BC the landscape of Classical Greece was discernible...
The Mycenaeans quickly penetrated the Aegean and by the 15th century BC had reached Rhodes, Crete, Cyprus and the shores of Asia Minor. From 1,200 BC the Dorians, another Greek speaking people, followed from Epirus. The Dorian Migration was followed by a poorly attested period of migrations, appropriately called the Greek Dark Ages, but by 800 BC the landscape of Classical Greece was discernible...
Modern Greek has, along with Standard Modern Greek or Dimotiki, a wide variety of dialects of varying levels of mutual intelligibility, including Cypriot, Pontic, Cappadocian, Griko and Tsakonian (the only surviving representative of ancient Doric Greek).[119] Yevanic is the language of the Romaniotes, and survives in small communities in Greece, New York and Israel...
The Greek flag is also widely used by the Greek Cypriots, although Cyprus has officially adopted a neutral flag so as to ease ethnic tensions with the Turkish Cypriot minority – see flag of Cyprus).[137]...
this on greek surnames:
Most Greek patronymic suffixes are diminutives, which vary by region. The most common Hellenic patronymic suffixes are:

-poulos/-poulou, which means "the little", representing "the son of ...", so a man whose family name is "Christopoulos" means that his main ancestor was named "Christos". This suffix is very spread mostly throughout the whole Greece and is original from the Peloponessus in particular.
-idis/-idou and -iadis/-iadou are both very ancient last names and clan forms used in the Pontus and Asia Minor regions, i.e. "Konstantinidis", the "clan of Constantine". After the population exchange between Greece and Turkey, it became very familiar in Macedonia with the new settlements of Pontic Greeks in that region.
-akis/-aki is associated primarily with Crete and the Aegean Islands. A patronymic signifying "little" and/or "son" therefore "Theodorakis" being "little Theodore" or "Theodore´s son". After several migration waves of Cretans to the Southern Peloponessus it also became familiar in the Mani Peninsula.[142]
Others, less common are:

-atos/-atou (From Kefalonia and other Ionian Islands under strong Italian influence);[143]
-as/-a (From Macedonia and Epirus);
-akos/-akou (From Mani in the Laconia region) and -eas/-ea (From Mani in the Messenia region);
-oglou (both genders, a Turkish root ending seen in immigrants from Asia Minor meaning "son of",[144] i.e. Sarafoglou, "the son of Sarafis");
-ou (Genitive, from Cyprus).
The suffix -idis (often transliterated -ides in English and French languages) is the oldest in use. Zeus, for example was also referred to as Cronides, that is to say "son of Cronus".[145]

The history of the Greek people is closely associated with the history of Greece, Cyprus, Constantinople, and Asia Minor. During the Ottoman rule of Greece, a number of Greek enclaves around the Mediterranean were cut off from the core, notably in Southern Italy, the Caucasus, Syria and Egypt. By the early 20th century, over half of the overall Greek-speaking population was settled in Asia Minor (now Turkey). During the 20th century, a huge wave of migration to the United States, Australia, Canada and elsewhere created a Greek diaspora.

Some key historical events have also been included for context, but this timeline is not intended to cover history not related to migrations. There is more information on the historical context of these migrations in History of Greece.

1960s Republic of Cyprus created as an independent state under Greek, Turkish and British protection. Economic emigration continues.
1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Almost all Greeks living in Northern Cyprus flee to the south and the United Kingdom.

Zirconek
12-12-2008, 09:07 PM
I voted no. :o

I agree with Getta it's inappropiate to have Cypriot players in a Greek/Hellenic forum. Baghdatis has his own message board, and the Greek players threads don't have much activity and are not that much. We have to keep this post in mind:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7449971&postcount=1

As long as I know, it's quite critical to the site loading or at least to the players forum section adding a new forum- I remember some discussion when they were talking about the Italian forum - so new forums can't be added so easily. Maybe a message board for Greek players :shrug:

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 09:23 PM
I voted no. :o

I agree with Getta it's inappropiate to have Cypriot players in a Greek/Hellenic forum. Baghdatis has his own message board, and the Greek players threads don't have much activity and are not that much. We have to keep this post in mind:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7449971&postcount=1

As long as I know, it's quite critical to the site loading or at least to the players forum section adding a new forum- I remember some discussion when they were talking about the Italian forum - so new forums can't be added so easily. Maybe a message board for Greek players :shrug:

Well, a Hellenic Forum that combines Greek and GreekCypriot players is probably our only chance at getting a forum. Most people won't vote for a Greek forum, because we aren't that great at tennis. Even though we have won 4 or 5 medals in the Olympics, they were all in 1896:lol:. We have produced players like Baghdatis, Philippoussis(he's 1/2 Italian though)and Sampras. Unfortunately, they are all Greek disapora members and didn't represent Greece, so that isn't great really. However, Baghdatis is by far the most liked male player in Greece.

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 09:23 PM
baghdatis, I'm waiting for your opinion on this. (not the player. the user.)

Baghdatis#1
12-12-2008, 09:27 PM
I voted no. :o

I agree with Getta it's inappropiate to have Cypriot players in a Greek/Hellenic forum.

What's wrong with that? On skyscrapercity.com, there is a forum that discusses Greek and Cypriot matters, called the Hellenic Agora. If that's inappropriate, then I can say that the Chicos Latinos forum is inappropriate, even though it isn't. If Baghdatis was offered Greek nationallity, obviously there was a reason behind it. I find this link quite interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_tennis_players :wavey:

JMG
12-13-2008, 08:37 PM
A clear Yes from me.

Baghdatis#1
12-16-2008, 01:08 AM
I found this link very intersting: http://www.hellenictennis.org.au/index.php

Baghdatis#1
12-16-2008, 01:39 AM
And let us not forget the famous quote fro baghdatis-
"True Cypriots are Greek. Not the turkish invadors."

qkrchs
12-16-2008, 03:13 AM
Yes ;)

CooCooCachoo
12-16-2008, 10:56 AM
Kostas Kastoria should have his own forum, but a Hellenic forum? Not so sure about that.

Zirconek
12-16-2008, 12:53 PM
And let us not forget the famous quote fro baghdatis-
"True Cypriots are Greek. Not the turkish invadors."

Bashing the Turkish and the Cypriots of Turkish roots won't help to get a forum. Instead of fighting, why not walking together? I am sure both sides can learn from each other, and then become only one side and build something good. As you seem to like examles, I'll give you some, keeping to sports (where we should stay discussing). Marsel Ilhan, top Turkish tennis player, is ranked currently at #215. Economidis, Greek #1, is ranked today as 465. In last Olympics, held this year in Beijing, China, Turkey ended the competition with one gold medal, 4 silver medals and 3 bronze medals, while Greece didn't have a gold medal, and only 2 silver and 2 bronze medals. Let's remember Greece hosted the Olympic Games 4 years ago. And we can go in a senseless discussion about the attributes of both countries...

Baghdatis#1
12-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Bashing the Turkish and the Cypriots of Turkish roots won't help to get a forum. Instead of fighting, why not walking together? I am sure both sides can learn from each other, and then become only one side and build something good. As you seem to like examles, I'll give you some, keeping to sports (where we should stay discussing). Marsel Ilhan, top Turkish tennis player, is ranked currently at #215. Economidis, Greek #1, is ranked today as 465. In last Olympics, held this year in Beijing, China, Turkey ended the competition with one gold medal, 4 silver medals and 3 bronze medals, while Greece didn't have a gold medal, and only 2 silver and 2 bronze medals. Let's remember Greece hosted the Olympic Games 4 years ago. And we can go in a senseless discussion about the attributes of both countries...

:topic:. Anyways, I wan't sabotaging them. That was just what the MTF user, baghdatis said in the locked thread about the Hellenic Forum. His ancestors are Greek-Cypriots and he lives in Australia and he, a Cypriot himself said that true cypriots are greek, and not the Turkish invadors. I wasn't trying to make fun of them:rolleyes:.

OT:Population of Turkey-72 million (approx.)
Greece-11 million(approx.) over 700,000 Turks live in Greece.

-I get along fine with tenisci and he's Turkish:shrug:. My father has some Turkish friends. Yes, we don't get along that much but lately Greeks and Turks have been coming closer together. Has Turkey ever won an Olympics medal count? Have they ever held Euro Cup, Eurobasket and Eurovision at the SAME TIME? They have only won Eurovision one time. No Eurobasket or Euro Cup. And many people should know that Greeks invented sports, e.g.tennis(a variation of it in ancient times) and that Economidis and Mazarakis had terrible seasons this year due to injury. And in women's tennis, Eleni Daniilidou and Anna Gerasimou are ranked higher than Turkey's Pemra Ozgen and Eleni had a terrible year due to injury. We could even count Greek disaporians vs. Turkish disaporians in this. Anyways, to make things easier, I'm sorry if any Turks felt discriminated about that. I didn't mean it in that way.:shrug:

Also, this is quite good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enosis

Baghdatis#1
12-16-2008, 08:11 PM
The only reason I think people should vote against this forum is if they think that these players aren't good enough. Otherwise I see no reason for this.

Winnipeg
12-18-2008, 01:53 AM
hell no

Baghdatis#1
12-18-2008, 02:14 AM
^I kind of figured u would comment on this. It doesn't shock me.

Venle
12-18-2008, 04:24 PM
Everybody needs the change, why not? :p

I voted for yes.

Roseisarose
12-20-2008, 10:37 PM
So, um, if you take a look at the flag thingie next to my name, you'll probably guess - correctly - that I voted yes. With all due respect to Hellas719, I disagree with some of his case arguments. I personally see Cyprus as having quite a different culture and history to Greece, but I respectfully understand your points. You're right that on the whole, it makes sense that a Hellenic forum include not just Greek nationals, but also Greeks from the Diaspora.

Forgot to add: My only stipulation is that a Hellenic forum also include Greek nationals that are not ethnic Greeks, if they are ATP/WTA players. They are also Greek. That includes Greek Muslims, Pomaks, Albanian immigrants, African immigrants etc. (Whether to include Turkish Cypriots is a much trickier issue, I admit, because the Turkish side of Cyprus is not recognized internationally. Opinions?) If this aspect of the forum is not upheld, I will refuse to participate in it.

Now, to all of you who voted "no", I completely understand that too. Greek tennis players are nothing to boast about, and tennis isn't a particularly popular sport here. This could change, and a Hellenic forum could help bolster such a change. But my best argument is, Greeks are fun! And hospitable. There is much solace to be found in a Hellenic forum...just promise you'll think about it, ok?

Baghdatis#1
12-20-2008, 10:50 PM
^And think about all these great Hellenic posters here. There's schorsch, Getta, Merton, Xristos, kostas_kastoria, Metis, baghdatis, H_E_L_L_A_S, Baghdatis72, kindablue, christos, etc.

Baghdatis#1
12-20-2008, 11:00 PM
So, um, if you take a look at the flag thingie next to my name, you'll probably guess - correctly - that I voted yes. With all due respect to Hellas719, I disagree with some of his case arguments. I personally see Cyprus as having quite a different culture and history to Greece, but I respectfully understand your points. You're right that on the whole, it makes sense that a Hellenic forum include not just Greek nationals, but also Greeks from the Diaspora.

Forgot to add: My only stipulation is that a Hellenic forum also include Greek nationals that are not ethnic Greeks, if they are ATP/WTA players. They are also Greek. That includes Greek Muslims, Pomaks, Albanian immigrants, African immigrants etc. (Whether to include Turkish Cypriots is a much trickier issue, I admit, because the Turkish side of Cyprus is not recognized internationally. Opinions?) If this aspect of the forum is not upheld, I will refuse to participate in it.


Well, we won't have to worry about the Turkish-Cypriots, because they represent Turkey instead of Cyprus. Also, we will have a thread, just a thread for players from the Greek and Greek-Cypriot disaporas. This includes players like Nikita Kryvonos(USA), Evthimios Karaliolios(NED), Andrew Thomas(AUS), etc. that don't get talked about in their countries' forums, since they have better players to talk about. I forgot to add a Hellenic Hall of fame thread that will include players from the disapora like Sampras and Philippoussis, since no one else(w/the execption of Baghdatis)really achieved something big in their careers.

Baghdatis#1
12-20-2008, 11:44 PM
18-16 :banana:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

GustavoM_Fan
12-21-2008, 01:15 AM
ole ole ole ole
che vos turco vigilantee q amargado se te veeee :worship:

jpatatsos
12-21-2008, 03:20 AM
Enoisis Ole Enosis Ole

Together

We Shall Reunite

baghdatis
12-21-2008, 04:17 AM
^^
posted by a by a true (greek) Cypriot poster here.
nuff said//

Also read my rants in the previous, locked thread. All you need to read is there. I think I made it quite clear.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=132656

Also I think its very unlucky that the most anti-greek person in the world (Getta) had to be a part of mtf :rolleyes:

Getta, you've been trying to cause shit between all of Us True, Passionate Greek tennis fans for about a year now.
Cbf dealing with all of ur shit. Get a life.

Thank you to those of you who have voted yes for the Hellenic Forum.

Baghdatis#1
12-21-2008, 05:59 AM
22-16 :banana:

Baghdatis#1
12-22-2008, 01:07 AM
also, I forgot to mention that I spoke with many Hellenic users and we all said that we will post more about Hellenic players.

Xristos
12-22-2008, 03:51 AM
Hellenic is not the same as Greek, this is why I don't see a problem for Baghdatis added there, just like I see no problem in having Polish players in a Slavic or Baltic forum.

Getta is a native Greek and she sees a problem, she has a right to give her opinion, and other people have the right to give their opinion; all I know is Greeks are very devoted tennis fans even though their tennis sucks. Fortunately there are young hopes such as Xristos and Kostas Kastoria - as Getta correctly mentioned these two should take care of moderation of the forum.

Great post!

Xristos
12-22-2008, 03:55 AM
Kostas Kastoria should have his own forum, but a Hellenic forum? Not so sure about that.

If this is the case I should have my own forum as well.

DartMarcus
12-22-2008, 11:40 AM
27-37 :(

Zirconek
12-22-2008, 12:04 PM
:eek:

how come? "Yes" was leading yesterday 22-16.

TMJordan
12-22-2008, 03:37 PM
Helllllllllllllllllllllls yes.

It was 24-16 after I voted lastnight, this is corrupt.

Baghdatis#1
12-22-2008, 07:50 PM
How the heck could this happen? It was 25-18 last night.

Nathaliia
12-22-2008, 08:12 PM
I think it is true mods are corrupt. Why is this poll not public?

Zirconek must have manipulated here.

Baghdatis#1
12-22-2008, 08:17 PM
I should've made this public. I don't believe this. Even if we lose by a lot, 27 votes is a big number. I see no reason why a moderator could've done this. If a moderator did do this, I will be outraged, because mods are supposed to be here to help us. Not to torture us. If we don't get it this time, I will request it again next time and make it public, so no one can stop me then!

Nathaliia
12-22-2008, 08:18 PM
Why so many people now came and voted against the forum?

Baghdatis#1
12-22-2008, 08:19 PM
And besides, most people aren't on MTF between 11pm and 6 am. There's no way something like this could've happened. 21 voters in 7 hours? We only had 43 voters in 3 weeks. This must be corrupt. If the mods don't want us to have a forum, then they could just say"no because...". I really hope the mods didn't do this, even though I have a feeling they did.

~Maya~
12-22-2008, 08:29 PM
I thought that the poll was supposed to be closed last night. There was a mistake made when it was created. I don't think mods did this, but this must have been something organized. Maybe it didn't have anything to do with the issue, but with another poster

Baghdatis#1
12-22-2008, 08:33 PM
I thought that the poll was supposed to be closed last night. There was a mistake made when it was created. I don't think mods did this, but this must have been something organized. Maybe it didn't have anything to do with the issue, but with another poster

I don't know. I am just very upset about this, and I will challenge the situation if we do not get a forum.

Zirconek
12-22-2008, 09:33 PM
Mods didn't do anything here. But a massive voting against the Hellenic Forum happened in few hours, if there's something behind this, I don't know, I guess new posts in this thread, making it to be in evidence, a thread in General Messages and links of this thread in signatures and posts surely helped this thread to get more visits. The exarcebated nationalism will probably bring more votes against than pro in an international forum. Some harsh words told against MTF members and a group of citizens also won't help in your cause.

Remember everyone can support Greek players in several places of MTF, in their not much active threads in Players Forum, in tournaments threads of all levels, from Grand Slam to futures, from seniors to juniors, from official to exhibitions. The political talk is basically restricted to the non-tennis (NT) section (and moderated according to the rules), even though it can be brought sometimes outside NT in specific cases like a player having problems in getting a visa, a tournament being cancelled due to terrorist threatens, etc.

bad gambler
12-22-2008, 10:09 PM
And besides, most people aren't on MTF between 11pm and 6 am. There's no way something like this could've happened. 21 voters in 7 hours? We only had 43 voters in 3 weeks. This must be corrupt. If the mods don't want us to have a forum, then they could just say"no because...". I really hope the mods didn't do this, even though I have a feeling they did.

Looks like accusing mods of corruption is the flavour of the week

bad gambler
12-22-2008, 10:10 PM
And yes for me

Zirconek
12-23-2008, 12:57 AM
And besides, most people aren't on MTF between 11pm and 6 am. There's no way something like this could've happened. 21 voters in 7 hours? We only had 43 voters in 3 weeks. This must be corrupt. If the mods don't want us to have a forum, then they could just say"no because...". I really hope the mods didn't do this, even though I have a feeling they did.


let's suppose the poll would close yesterday before 11pm..."yes" then would win with 6-8 votes ahead of "no".

first, it's not the poll result that matters, as you can see here:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=134937

In previous requests the winner of the poll didn't get the forum, like two players that have new requests
Ivo Karlovic March 2007 (14-3)
Agustín Calleri March 2007 (26-5)
and others
Jürgen Melzer (13-1)
Michael Russell (25-8)
Robin Soderling July 2007 (18-4) eventually got a forum in player request april 2008 (with 25-9)
Donald Young April 2008 (34-19) please note the significative number of voters and better percentage

Neely
12-23-2008, 01:12 AM
Robin Soderling July 2007 (18-4) eventually got a forum in player request april 2008 (with 25-9)

Söderling didn't get a forum yet, his injury record and cheering thread activity was too much against him.

Baghdatis#1
12-23-2008, 01:45 AM
Well, let's cross our fingers. 28 is still a good number. Even against 38.

baghdatis
12-23-2008, 05:26 AM
BAHAHAHAHAHA...

abit of dick-sucking goin on around here I see. No names mentioned.

:rolleyes:

GustavoM_Fan
12-23-2008, 05:56 AM
what the hell huppened here???????

who are the basters who voted no in the last day?????? tell names or ips mmm :sad:
this seem to be a masive prepared voting...
or maybe the publicity in GM for this thread played bad for the "option yes" :bigcry: the reason can be because most gyes in GM only know top10 players :o

Xristos
12-23-2008, 09:41 AM
Wow what a crazy turn of events. The whole world hates Greeks..

Sad sad day indeed.

Zirconek
12-23-2008, 09:59 AM
Söderling didn't get a forum yet, his injury record and cheering thread activity was too much against him.

oops, my mistake :o :p

GustavoM_Fan
12-23-2008, 11:28 PM
I suspect of a misteryous hand here.. it is possible to know the names of the new voters?

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 12:13 AM
This is a disgrace. There is no way that 20 people could've voted NO in a 7-hour time period. It's almost impossible. Btw, to all u Hellenic haters, this is just the beginning of a Hellenic Forum request. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!!!1You ain't seen nothing yet:lol:. And btw, what do u guys care about a Hellenic forum? You ppl that voted NO won't ever post in it anyways, so how does it concern u?:shrug:

Zirconek
12-24-2008, 01:22 AM
I suspect of a misteryous hand here.. it is possible to know the names of the new voters?

Can you feel a mysterious hand touching you right now? :aplot::rolleyes::p

I don't know if administrators can check who voted, anyway the poll was not public, so they can't reveal the names, I'm only sure one vote=one member, no way it could be cheated.

The "no" was leading, then "yes" was in the lead, can you assure new accounts were not created in order to vote for "yes"? See how easy is to make accusations?

I still think the sad way this thread trailed with the nationalist talk is the main cause of the comeback of "no", added to the fact the Greek players are not in a good display lately. Unlike Xristtos said, there is no hate toward Greeks, but the hate some Greek nationalists showed surely brought votes against the hellenic forum, so some of the forum suporters should be blamed for the fail in the poll. And the decision about the forum is not only according to the poll result as I explained before, so this conspiracy theory is really weak.


This is a disgrace. There is no way that 20 people could've voted NO in a 7-hour time period. It's almost impossible. Btw, to all u Hellenic haters, this is just the beginning of a Hellenic Forum request. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!!!1You ain't seen nothing yet:lol:. And btw, what do u guys care about a Hellenic forum? You ppl that voted NO won't ever post in it anyways, so how does it concern u?:shrug:

what else should I add to this post and all my posts in this thread? :scratch:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7927270&postcount=6076

oh, yes, don't victimize yourself and please make a mea culpa and you might find the answers. :)

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 02:17 AM
Yes. I will still root for Greeks AND Cypriots. I have my reasons to root for Cypriots, and even if I didn't, no one can change my opinion, and even MARCOS BAGHDATIS talks about being GREEK in his blog here:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/blog/baghdatis.asp

^So Getta, what are your opinions on that? Huh?

GustavoM_Fan
12-24-2008, 02:58 AM
Can you feel a mysterious hand touching you right now? :aplot::rolleyes::p

I don't know if administrators can check who voted, anyway the poll was not public, so they can't reveal the names, I'm only sure one vote=one member, no way it could be cheated.

The "no" was leading, then "yes" was in the lead, can you assure new accounts were not created in order to vote for "yes"? See how easy is to make accusations?

I still think the sad way this thread trailed with the nationalist talk is the main cause of the comeback of "no", added to the fact the Greek players are not in a good display lately. Unlike Xristtos said, there is no hate toward Greeks, but the hate some Greek nationalists showed surely brought votes against the hellenic forum, so some of the forum suporters should be blamed for the fail in the poll. And the decision about the forum is not only according to the poll result as I explained before, so this conspiracy theory is really weak.




what else should I add to this post and all my posts in this thread? :scratch:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7927270&postcount=6076

oh, yes, don't victimize yourself and please make a mea culpa and you might find the answers. :)

ok man, hopefully this is not another hiding like happened with the person who entered to insult Aleka with kostas account :rolleyes:

i still dont understand what happened. why many people started to enter in this thread so much? and voted for no also? :spit:
u did a massive publicity andrew :scratch:?

there are things that are stupid to keep hiding :o

GustavoM_Fan
12-24-2008, 03:06 AM
Yes. I will still root for Greeks AND Cypriots. I have my reasons to root for Cypriots, and even if I didn't, no one can change my opinion, and even MARCOS BAGHDATIS talks about being GREEK in his blog here:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/blog/baghdatis.asp

^So Getta, what are your opinions on that? Huh?

what a great match vs Lleyton.

I remember i was needing Marcos to win in TT AO :worship: :sad:

~Maya~
12-24-2008, 03:08 AM
Zirconek, who are you kidding? There are a few things that went interestingly wrong here.
Not to mention that you are taking this a little bit too personally.


------------------------------------------------------------
I will not lose any sleep over this. I just thought that Hellenic idea was nice.

But hey, don't make false announcements and pretend like it never happened

baghdatis
12-24-2008, 03:21 AM
This is really stupid.
Its funny that none of those "20 voters" didn't post at all when they voted. or even check out the thread that they cared about so much, to vote in it.
Ill only be happy if theres proof that there were 20 voters, who voted against the Hellenic forum in the last 7 hours.
Then there will be nothing to argue about
:)

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 03:27 AM
^exactly.

Zirconek
12-24-2008, 03:28 AM
Yes. I will still root for Greeks AND Cypriots. I have my reasons to root for Cypriots, and even if I didn't, no one can change my opinion, and even MARCOS BAGHDATIS talks about being GREEK in his blog here:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/blog/baghdatis.asp

^So Getta, what are your opinions on that? Huh?

I never said you shouldn't support Baghdatis or any other Cypriot player or any other of Greek ascendency.

I could post here several links to quotes of Baghdatis where he says he is Cypriot :rolleyes:

Do you realize how different this thread is from the others? And how the outcome in the poll was also so different?

I personally like diversity, I think it is necessary, I also like it within a democracy - that was born in Greece - and I think some things are needed to assure diversity and democracy, and then respect is one of them. If you show no respect, then you can just stick to your rights (which are guaranteed and alligned to the rules under a democratic regime), which is a show of respect not seen in authoritarians governments like the nationalists. In a small (in number of members) and paradoxically big (in an international sense) place like the MensTennisForums, the lack of respect toward Cypriot, Turkish and Greek people is not going to be tolerated by many/most of the members and even by the moderation and administration.
please check site rules (A 1-3)
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=130284
then the GM rules apply (General conduct when posting, at the top)
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=129884

Xristos
12-24-2008, 03:32 AM
^Your hate is strong..

May you find peace somewhere within your bitter heart.

Zirconek
12-24-2008, 03:42 AM
Zirconek, who are you kidding? There are a few things that went interestingly wrong here.
Not to mention that you are taking this a little bit too personally.


------------------------------------------------------------
I will not lose any sleep over this. I just thought that Hellenic idea was nice.

But hey, don't make false announcements and pretend like it never happened

I'm not taking anything personally. I am also not going to lose my sleep over this and I already posted my thoughts (more than once).

Sorry, I can't undrestand what do you mean in last sentence, could you please explain?


This is really stupid.
Its funny that none of those "20 voters" didn't post at all when they voted. or even check out the thread that they cared about so much, to vote in it.
Ill only be happy if theres proof that there were 20 voters, who voted against the Hellenic forum in the last 7 hours.
Then there will be nothing to argue about
:)

I guess I was the only naive enough to come discuss with you, I feel like a martyr, not a heroic martyr, but a dumb one.

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 03:43 AM
Zirconek, it wasn't adressed to u in particular. It was adressed to both the public, and part of it was adressed to Getta, okay? I feel like I am showing respect. I just want to prove people wrong here:shrug:. I think that it was inappropriate for people to vote NO in this poll, because they don't think that Greece and Cyprus should have a joint player forum. I would understand if they said NO due to lack of talent, but saying NO because of Greece and Cyprus is unreasonable.

Zirconek
12-24-2008, 03:56 AM
Zirconek, it wasn't adressed to u in particular. It was adressed to both the public, and part of it was adressed to Getta, okay? I feel like I am showing respect. I just want to prove people wrong here:shrug:. I think that it was inappropriate for people to vote NO in this poll, because they don't think that Greece and Cyprus should have a joint player forum. I would understand if they said NO due to lack of talent, but saying NO because of Greece and Cyprus is unreasonable.

I voted no, I felt like it was adressed to me. And my post was not exactly adressed to you too, but to all posters that insists in the Cyprus issue. And we don't, won't and can't know why in the end the "no" option, in such a small period of time, surpassed the "yes". We can only make suppositions if it was because of the not topperformance of Greek players or due to the political aspect, probably both, maybe one more than other. I'm just trying to show you several aspects while you insinuate the poll was fixed.

~Maya~
12-24-2008, 04:06 AM
Zirconek, the last two sentences were not addressed to you. But here it is:

What was the point of announcing the poll closing time when it was false? Should I take the announcements seriously anymore? I don't think so. If there was a mistake made, why wasn't there any explanation?

Polls were supposed to be closed on the 21. The storm of negative votes came in after that. And then the polls were closed about 24 hours later.

I voted no, I felt like it was adressed to me. And my post was not exactly adressed to you too, but to all posters that insists in the Cyprus issue. And we don't, won't and can't know why in the end the "no" option, in such a small period of time, surpassed the "yes". We can only make suppositions if it was because of the not topperformance of Greek players or due to the political aspect, probably both, maybe one more than other. I'm just trying to show you several aspects while you insinuate the poll was fixed.

Please, You are insulting intelligence here. This poll was open for how long?

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 04:06 AM
Xristos, m'aresi pws otan grafw kai na apodeiksi kapoios lathos, na mhn apanthsoun kai na proxwrisoume sto epmeno thema:lol:.

Zirconek
12-24-2008, 04:21 AM
Zirconek, the last two sentences were not addressed to you. But here it is:

What was the point of announcing the poll closing time when it was false? Should I take the announcements seriously anymore? I don't think so. If there was a mistake made, why wasn't there any explanation?

Polls were supposed to be closed on the 21. The storm of negative votes came in after that. And then the polls were closed about 24 hours later.

:scratch: I see, you're right.

I think it's up to who starts the thread to care to check when the poll should be closed and to make it public. Then if it's settled with a wrong date, the administrator should come to close it (or re-open it). It came 24h later, but we can't also expect they are always around. In this short period of time, a huge amount of votes, most of them against the idea of the hellenic forum, really intriguing. Somehow it happened, I already tried to show here this thread lately had more publicity before the end of the poll (new posts, links in signatures, etc) and the way it went more likely brought votes against. I already tried to show that, no matter the result of the poll, the decision is up to the site.

Zirconek
12-24-2008, 04:23 AM
Please, You are insulting intelligence here. This poll was open for how long?

I think this poll was open in December 10th, with first post?

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 04:27 AM
^yep.

~Maya~
12-24-2008, 04:29 AM
:scratch: I see, you're right.

I think it's up to who starts the thread to care to check when the poll should be closed and to make it public. Then if it's settled with a wrong date, the administrator should come to close it (or re-open it). It came 24h later, but we can't also expect they are always around. In this short period of time, a huge amount of votes, most of them against the idea of the hellenic forum, really intriguing. Somehow it happened, I already tried to show here this thread lately had more publicity before the end of the poll (new posts, links in signatures, etc) and the way it went more likely brought votes against. I already tried to show that, no matter the result of the poll, the decision is up to the site.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=7926526#post7926526

The poll closing time initial mistake addressed here (well, kind of addressed, or better say ignored)

Actually, I am not even sure if this forum was created when it was supposed to be, or it was created prematurely. :confused:

Baghdatis#1
12-24-2008, 04:33 AM
^I was the first one to create a request. However, it was in the archives section, and then it was moved to its own forum after I made this thread.

GustavoM_Fan
12-24-2008, 03:35 PM
at least I want some of that 20 persons to show the face in this thread during next days if not this has to be a 100% fix :rolleyes:

GustavoM_Fan
12-26-2008, 12:17 AM
none of the 20 showed :haha: mmm

cmon basters

Zirconek
12-26-2008, 12:55 AM
at least I want some of that 20 persons to show the face in this thread during next days if not this has to be a 100% fix :rolleyes:

none of the 20 showed :haha: mmm

cmon basters

Lesson 1: singular vs plural

singular <2
plural ≥ 2

examples:
0.97 second
1 racquet
1.9999 billion Å
2 Greek philosophers
(note: unit symbols must be kept in singular, example: 20 meters= 20m)

Don't be so impatient, you can frustrate ladies when you're going to "gam" them. :p

And please stick to deadlines you set ;) it's so bad when it not happens :(

Zirconek
12-26-2008, 01:11 AM
^Your hate is strong..

May you find peace somewhere within your bitter heart.

:spit: :haha:

GustavoM_Fan
12-26-2008, 01:53 AM
Lesson 1: singular vs plural

singular <2
plural ≥ 2

examples:
0.97 second
1 racquet
1.9999 billion Å
2 Greek philosophers
(note: unit symbols must be kept in singular, example: 20 meters= 20m)

Don't be so impatient, you can frustrate ladies when you're going to "gam" them. :p

And please stick to deadlines you set ;) it's so bad when it not happens :(


"next days" start from tomorrow to the other next days
and maybe u didnt read the cmon basters part :devil:
=
this mean I am still giving chance to the 20 gyes to post and tell that they voted here... oK?


sorry, but I am feeling that u are taking this too personally mmm :rolleyes: so maybe you are hiding something si4

Zirconek
12-27-2008, 11:12 AM
"next days" start from tomorrow to the other next days
and maybe u didnt read the cmon basters part :devil:
=
this mean I am still giving chance to the 20 gyes to post and tell that they voted here... oK?


sorry, but I am feeling that u are taking this too personally mmm :rolleyes: so maybe you are hiding something si4

you lack sense of humour and is the one obsessed with this issue :rolleyes: :p

If the gyes will come here - which I think is unlikely - they probably will show up in the last minutes, like they did when voting :p even though there is no clear deadline

baghdatis
12-28-2008, 02:25 AM
gyes who do of vote in thread please get in. (or get msn)
show ur faces..Or I will lick ur ass and Gam all of you holes.
And then I will Gam your cat.

:lol:
:)

Ozone
12-28-2008, 03:32 AM
:haha:gyes who do of vote in thread please get in. (or get msn)
show ur faces..Or I will lick ur ass and Gam all of you holes.
And then I will Gam your cat.

:lol:
:)

Someone wants the forum very badly:lol:
How is Marcos and his girlfriend doing? Im a big fan!

baghdatis
12-28-2008, 03:40 AM
Rofl.

and umm I wish I knew, apparently he's been training very hard this summer before his tourneys..
I hope I see him around In Jan when hes here in Melb.

Ozone
12-28-2008, 03:50 AM
Im glad he's healthy. Im excited to see him in the Aussie Open too. Always plays his heart on down there.

Baghdatis#1
12-28-2008, 04:50 AM
He is dating Mandy Minella of Luxembourg, isn't he?

Ozone
12-28-2008, 03:50 PM
IDK her name, but she is HOT!!

Ozone
12-28-2008, 08:39 PM
Last girlfriend i saw him with was Camille(dont know last name)

GustavoM_Fan
12-28-2008, 11:48 PM
Camille Neviere si4 very sexy :worship:

Zirconek
12-29-2008, 12:19 AM
Rofl.

and umm I wish I knew, apparently he's been training very hard this summer before his tourneys..
I hope I see him around In Jan when hes here in Melb.

Hernych, Hajek, Mertl, Vacek or Marek? :)

Baghdatis#1
12-29-2008, 12:44 AM
^He means January.

Zirconek
12-29-2008, 01:20 AM
Why when I'm talking serious people think I'm joking and when I'm joking people think I'm serious? I must fix my communication skills.

Ozone
12-29-2008, 01:24 AM
Hernych, Hajek, Mertl, Vacek or Marek? :)

:haha: Sorry Edu, but that was hilarious.

baghdatis
12-29-2008, 09:47 AM
Hernych, Hajek, Mertl, Vacek or Marek? :)

LMFAO! :haha:

although i meant January (:rolleyes:) That was funny.

Ozone
12-29-2008, 03:40 PM
LMFAO! :haha:

although i meant January (:rolleyes:) That was funny.

Gotta be one of the funniest things I've seen on MTF!!
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::lol:

GustavoM_Fan
12-30-2008, 02:29 AM
i give vcash to the last 20 basters who admitted to vote of no during the last hours..

I have suspect that was 1 baster with power to do a value of 20 voters in 1 vote.
he must give vcash to all si4 and allow the thread :worship:

scarecrows
12-30-2008, 11:12 PM
no innucents showed up :(

GustavoM_Fan
12-31-2008, 12:42 AM
What opinion on this gencidis?
I will only will believe if the gyes show up or If I see a printscreen (or video) of that famous IP cheking tool working with showing a list of IPs numbers who voted no option nai-

Zirconek
12-31-2008, 02:55 AM
:yawn:

scarecrows
01-02-2009, 11:22 AM
What opinion on this gencidis?
-

perplexed

Zirconek
01-02-2009, 07:11 PM
Economidis/Baghdats are an astonishing doubles pair :D

Baghdatis#1
01-02-2009, 07:42 PM
^The only reason why they teammed up was to please the Hellenic fans in the Hellenic Fan Club of Melbourne(for Greeks and Cypriots)at AO 2007. They ended up playing a few more tournaments together. Economidis will most likely become a doubles only player when he retires.

Zirconek
01-02-2009, 07:58 PM
:yeah: