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AO Wildcards and Playoff

eureka
12-08-2008, 10:45 AM
TA has 5 wildcards to award to aussie players presumably! One for the playoff winner and four others. Wonder who is in line? :confused: :confused: :confused:

save ausdecline
12-08-2008, 08:55 PM
I love this time of the year. Showcases the depth (or lack of depth) of Aussie tennis.

Matchu
12-09-2008, 02:38 AM
My predictions for wildcards:

Main Draw:

Peter Luczak (AO WC Playoff winner)
Carsten Ball
Brydan Klein
Samuel Groth
Bernard Tomic

Qualifying:

Nick Lindahl
Marinko Matosevic
Matt Ebden
Miles Armstrong
Adam Feeney
Andrew Coelho
Greg Jones
Brendan Mckenzie (18s champion)

azza
12-09-2008, 03:30 AM
MD

Peter Luczak
Robert Smeets
Carsten Ball
Brydan Klein
Andrew Coelho ? ?

QWC
Colin Ebelthite
Samuel Groth
Nick Lindahl
Marinko Matosrvic
Matthew Ebdem
Adam Feeney
Miles Armstrong
Greg Jones
John Millman

scotthongkong
12-09-2008, 11:03 AM
What about Rameez Junaid? I will put him in instead of Millman on Azza's list and I would think that Tomic will be in there somewhere...........but I think his dad has put paid to his main draw chances.

eureka
12-09-2008, 11:03 AM
MD

Peter Luczak
Robert Smeets
Carsten Ball
Brydan Klein
Andrew Coelho ? ?

QWC
Colin Ebelthite
Samuel Groth
Nick Lindahl
Marinko Matosrvic
Matthew Ebdem
Adam Feeney
Miles Armstrong
Greg Jones
John Millman

NO Tomic? He's not MD material but qualies? (if the ITF don't suspend him!)

au_sports_opinion
12-09-2008, 02:38 PM
Well I would only give WC to someone who has a chance of significantly improving their ranking. Nobody DESERVES a WC, most players of other countries don't receive such handouts for big events,

My five directs would be:

Luczak
Klein
Ball
Jones
Lindahl

ok People will disagree but I think they are the five with the biggest upside around the top 400.

Smeets/Groth deserve it more but as I said, nobody actually deserves a MD berth in a GS so if you wanna come from that perspective then do so (and I'm sure TA will anyway)

Winnipeg
12-10-2008, 02:42 AM
lindahl should get a direct

save ausdecline
12-10-2008, 06:58 AM
Tomic should have completed his match against Matosevic. Now his chances of getting a MD WC or QWC are all but over

jmf07
12-10-2008, 10:51 AM
Tomic should have completed his match against Matosevic. Now his chances of getting a MD WC or QWC are all but over

I still believe he will get a QWC but I do agree that the incident has put paid to his chances of gaining a main draw wildcard

scotthongkong
12-11-2008, 01:22 PM
I have changed my mind and now my directs for me are Luczak, Smeets, Ball, Klein and Matosevic....the best perforner on the satellites.

Experimentee
12-13-2008, 02:23 AM
Looking at the AO Playoff list, Junaid, Lindahl, Coelho and Feeney are absent even though they entered the event. I'm very surprised. Looks like TA are really focused on giving chances to junior boys, and the ones who missed out will have slim chances for a WC this year if they weren't even selected for the playoff.

Dmitry Verdasco
12-13-2008, 02:29 AM
Verryth made the playoff! :woohoo:
Hopefully if he can surprise a few people next week, he could sneak in for a AO QWC.




Don't tell me, I know that the chances of this happening are like 1083748912817402 to 1. :rolleyes:

eureka
12-13-2008, 03:14 AM
Looking at the AO Playoff list, Junaid, Lindahl, Coelho and Feeney are absent even though they entered the event. I'm very surprised. Looks like TA are really focused on giving chances to junior boys, and the ones who missed out will have slim chances for a WC this year if they weren't even selected for the playoff.

These four will just have to win three matches in qualifying! I think Mark Verryth and all the young guys in the playoff will also get wildcards into AO Qualies. Lots of aussies got spots in previous years.

azza
12-15-2008, 07:04 AM
Brydan Klein d Greg Jones 7-6 6-1
Peter Luczak d Brendan McKenzie 6-2 6-3
Joseph Sirianni d Dane Propoggia 7-5 6-1
Colin Ebelthite d Bernard Tomic 3-6 6-3 7-6(6)
Robert Smeets d Matt Ebden 6-2 6-0
Marinko Matosevic d John Millman 6-4 6-2

lol so far older guys 4 New Guys 0

scotthongkong
12-16-2008, 12:10 AM
Millman? Instead of Feeney, Coelho, Armstrong and Lindahl? Who is he anyone?

Dmitry Verdasco
12-21-2008, 05:02 AM
Dokic won the WC!

davidrafael
12-22-2008, 01:10 PM
Coelho’s Open hopes dashed


By Marc McGowan


18th December 2008 02:06:35 AM

Andrew Coelho is disappointed Tennis Australia officials did not award him a discretionary spot in this week’s Australian Open wildcard playoff.

TENNIS Australia officials have left Endeavour Hills tennis player Andrew Coelho “stunned” after overlooking him for a spot in this week’s Australian Open wildcard play-off.

The 21-year-old has competed in the tournament for the past three years and reached the final as a teenager in 2005.

But Coelho’s decision to quit his Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) scholarship two months ago appears to have cost him a place in the event.

AIS head coach Brent Larkham said the selectors had followed a youth policy.

“We had an exciting selection of younger players to choose from this year who were very impressive in junior nationals,” he said.

“Unfortunately, with Andrew’s age and current ranking, he just missed out on a wildcard into the play-off.”

Players inside the world’s top 250 gained automatic inclusion in the wildcard play-off. Tennis Australia officials awarded other spots to top juniors, strong performers at the Optus 18s Australian Championships and players just outside the ranking cut-off.

Coelho, who is ranked 331, required discretionary entry into the competition, but 23-year-old Marinko Matosevic (ranked 293), from Dandenong, and 21-year-old Matthew Ebden (332) look to have beaten him to a place.

Coelho’s career-high ranking of 281, which he reached last month, is better than both Matosevic and Ebden have achieved.

“A few of the guys who are older than me missed out as well, but it came as a bit of a shock to me because my results lately have been really good,” he said.

“A couple of the guys they put in there … maybe there should have been some guys ahead of them.”

Twenty-year-old former Australian Open junior finalist Nick Lindahl (329), 22-year-old Miles Armstrong (350) and 23-year-old Adam Feeney (365) also missed out.

Coelho’s coach, Andrew Florent, was more circumspect about the news.

“It obviously would have been nice to have been selected, but over the year he’s only really done well in Australian tournaments,” Florent said.

“At the end of the day there are two ways you can look at it. You can sit back and sulk or be disappointed and put your head down and work hard and prove them wrong.

“A wildcard is a gift from Tennis Australia and you get a lot more satisfaction when you do it on your own and that’s what he’s going to do.”

Florent, who reached a world ranking of 13 in doubles in 2001, will not travel with Coelho next year due to his coaching commitments with the 12-and-under boys’ national academy and Wesley College.

“Andrew’s in a really good place mentally. He’s 21 now and is able to make his own decisions and (now he’s left the AIS) he can grow up and make his own decisions,” Florent said.

“He seems a lot happier and that has shown in his recent results. We have a really close relationship and I’m a bit more of a mentor than anything else.”

Coelho will play an Australian Money Tournament at Melbourne Park this week before targeting next month’s Australian Open qualifying.

“There’s only really tournaments in Brisbane and Sydney (before the Australian Open) and those two are really strong,” he said.

”I might stay home and train for the Open and get ready for the Challengers and Futures tournaments after that.

“This has definitely given me a lot more motivation to try and prove them wrong and work even harder.”

OZTENNIS
12-23-2008, 10:30 PM
A couple of notes from my point of view;

I was disappointed that Colin Ebelthite won the wildcard. No offence to him or his team, but I really expected AT LEAST one of Bernard Tomic/Peter Luczak/Samuel Groth/Brydan Klein to stand up and really earn the wildcard. Now that Ebelthite got the wildcard, there is one less wildcard for the likes of Tomic/Luczak/Groth/Ball/Klein/Smeets/Lindahl/Coehlo/Sirianni. Obviously TA is keen to overlook the likes of Coehlo and Lindahl seeing as they were snubbed of a place in the Playoff. Sirianni's form 12 months ago is nowhere in site and I feel that he needed the wildcard to guarantee himself a spot. Smeets' form is sub par, and I doubt he will be playing in the main draw. And personally I would make Tomic play qualifying. He has failed to show practically anything at a senior level except for disrespect and arrogance. TA should not tolerate that, who does he think he is?

With that, the remaining four wildcards will probably go to Groth, Ball, Luczak, Klein. Fair enough Luczak is on the comeback trail, but I expected him to do better than 6 games against Ebelthite. He is 30 next year and unless he has a decent season, I doubt he will be around TOO much longer. Groth and Ball are both ring ins for wildcards as both are AIS/Davis Cup influenced. And both have a chance of winning a match, as does Luczak. Klein is a bit of a dark horse, I would have thought he'd have come on more by now. Pretty dysmal playoff performance too. But TA will give him another wildcard IMO.

It's good that Coelho and Lindahl were snubbed. Proves that it can happen to anyone and that they shouldn't just expect their career to be rolled out in front of them. Lindahl really hasn't gone forward in the last 2 or three years and I see him quietly slipping off the radar unless he really gets into it.

jmf07
12-24-2008, 01:01 AM
I don't like this youth policy. I think they should select the players who have the best chance of winning as I wouldn't really see the point in awarding a guy like Tomic a wildcard when it is highly probable that he will lose in straight sets where as a guy like Luczak would stand a chance of beating some of the guys in the maindraw and earning valuable ranking points.

Also what did it do for Brydan Klein this year?

eureka
12-24-2008, 09:11 AM
I don't like this youth policy. I think they should select the players who have the best chance of winning as I wouldn't really see the point in awarding a guy like Tomic a wildcard when it is highly probable that he will lose in straight sets where as a guy like Luczak would stand a chance of beating some of the guys in the maindraw and earning valuable ranking points.

Also what did it do for Brydan Klein this year?

Below is a list of the ranking movements from the start of 2008 to the end 2008.
These need to be looked at for wildcard selection!

Luczak 90-156 (injured)
Sirianni 146-193
Smeets 149-197
Ball 378-207
Klein 616-251
Eblethite 308-255
Groth 341-277

eureka
12-24-2008, 01:40 PM
Below is a list of the ranking movements from the start of 2008 to the end 2008.
These need to be looked at for wildcard selection!

Luczak 90-156 (injured)
Sirianni 146-193
Smeets 149-197
Ball 378-207
Klein 616-251
Eblethite 308-255
Groth 341-277

Ball and Klein are the best performed younger guys. Luczak has made a very solid return from injury on the slow South American clay. Struggles on faster hardcourts. Groth is inconsistent but capable of causing an upset. Tomic hasn't got the form but could get rewarded for winning the juniors last year. I think it's out of these guys for the last 4 WC's.

aussie_fan
12-25-2008, 11:17 AM
Klein did well in a bunch of weak challengers in India and won a few futures, that was basically his year. I wasn't really impressed with him at AO this year and his results aren't really near GS level at all, look at that late batch of us challengers, he was absoultelty smashed by players ranked around his ranking.

Having said that, it's tough, no one has really stepped up at all, even Ball had his poor end of season run.

scotthongkong
12-25-2008, 03:11 PM
Marinko!

Tenys4ever
12-29-2008, 11:04 AM
I don't like this youth policy. I think they should select the players who have the best chance of winning as I wouldn't really see the point in awarding a guy like Tomic a wildcard when it is highly probable that he will lose in straight sets where as a guy like Luczak would stand a chance of beating some of the guys in the maindraw and earning valuable ranking points.

Also what did it do for Brydan Klein this year?

Could someone give me some more information on this youth policy? or point me in the direction where i can find it? Is this why they are giving preference to 14/15 year olds over the 17/18 year olds?

petar_pan
12-29-2008, 12:02 PM
I think that youth policy is just great,and that is only right way.
Why? Because you don't need to thinking "give luczak WC he will win some matches"(because he is 30 and he is near to the end of career) but tomic is one of the biggest potential in the world,and it is right to help him in his upgrowth.he will probably lost easily but that will give him necessary experience(he needs that in this ages) and he will become better player owing that.and also you don't need to be tomic(one of the biggest talent in world) to get WC,just need to be young and talented for reach top 100 one day.

Matchu
12-30-2008, 05:52 AM
Could someone give me some more information on this youth policy? or point me in the direction where i can find it? Is this why they are giving preference to 14/15 year olds over the 17/18 year olds?

Basically Tennis Australia has realised that it is no longer a powerhouse in the world of tennis and can't just expect another world number 1 tennis player to pop out of no where. That is why the give preference to younger players that need big match experience to know what they are striving for several years later. Tomic is going to be given a wildcard without a doubt, he is the reigning Australian Open juniors champion, he is only 16 years old and has a ranking inside the top 800 and won a qualifying match at the Australian Open this year in his first ever senior tournament.

The hype around Tomic at the moment is huge in Queensland and I would expect that it is the same in other states. If he happens to win a match in Brisbane he is going to be compared to Lleyton for at least a year.

azza
12-30-2008, 07:03 AM
Luczak is 29 with a heart of a 23 year old still has 7 years left.

Yep yep.

Experimentee
12-30-2008, 07:54 AM
I agree with whoever said they should award WCs to those who have had the best results/form, and who are most likely to win a match. I don't like the age policy at all. A lot of Aussies only start to do well after the age of 20, and its not fair on players who were injured early, went to college early or had time out of the game so they aren't teenagers anymore. A lot of the Aussie guys have serve volley games which take longer to develop than consistent baseline games (which a lot of these juniors like Tomic have).

If they give WCs to all these juniors who aren't up to the standard yet they will all get smashed and it wouldn't be a good image of Australian tennis to the rest of the world when they see all our guys get thrashed in the first round.

CooCooCachoo
12-30-2008, 08:07 AM
If Klein is given a WC, and someone like Matosevic is overlooked, that would be a shame. I really feel that Matosevic would be a very good WC choice.

Experimentee
12-30-2008, 10:55 AM
Below is a list of the ranking movements from the start of 2008 to the end 2008.
These need to be looked at for wildcard selection!

Luczak 90-156 (injured)
Sirianni 146-193
Smeets 149-197
Ball 378-207
Klein 616-251
Eblethite 308-255
Groth 341-277

Here are the ranking movements for the other guys in the top 500:

Matosevic 610-294
Lindahl 254-329
Coelho 355-331
Ebden 541-332
Armstrong 483-350
Feeney 314-366
Junaid 307-396
G. Jones 383-434


Not a lot of improvement by any of them there except for MM and maybe Ebden.

Experimentee
12-30-2008, 11:30 AM
I would give the 4 remaining MD WCs to:

1. Luczak
2. Sirianni
3. Smeets or Groth
4. Ball

Qualifying:

1. Klein
2. Groth (if he needs one)
3. Matosevic
4. Coelho
5. Lindahl
6. Tomic
7. McKenzie
8. Ebden
9. Armstrong

scotthongkong
12-30-2008, 04:10 PM
Here are the ranking movements for the other guys in the top 500:

Matosevic 610-294
Lindahl 254-329
Coelho 355-331
Ebden 541-332
Armstrong 483-350
Feeney 314-366
Junaid 307-396
G. Jones 383-434


Not a lot of improvement by any of them there except for MM and maybe Ebden.

Marinko.........keep it going

scotthongkong
12-30-2008, 04:13 PM
I would give the 4 remaining MD WCs to:

1. Luczak
2. Sirianni
3. Smeets or Groth
4. Ball

Qualifying:

1. Klein
2. Groth (if he needs one)
3. Matosevic
4. Coelho
5. Lindahl
6. Tomic
7. McKenzie
8. Ebden
9. Armstrong
They will not leave out Tomic and Jones.

Experimentee
12-31-2008, 02:25 AM
I think Tomic should get a QWC but not main draw. He is not ready for main draw of a Slam.

Greg Jones has been in disappointing form and I think there are many others who should be picked over him.

jmf07
12-31-2008, 05:35 AM
These would be my selections
Main Draw

1. Luczak
2. Sirianni
3. Ball
4. Groth

Qualifying
1. Lindahl
2. Coehlo
3. Ebden
4. Jones
5. Tomic
6. Reid
7. Verryth
8. Feeney
9. Mckenzie

#Assuming that Matosevic gets directly into the qualifying draw.

I know in reality though that this is likely to be very different, for example, Tennis Australia will probably give Tomic a maindraw wildcard and make Sirianni go through qualies thanks to the youth policy. :o

azza
12-31-2008, 09:45 AM
1. Luczak
2. Smeets/Sirianni as i think TA will be slack bums coz Sirianni is "Old" :sad:
3. Ball
4. Groth

Qualifying
1. Klein
2. Matosevic
3. Lindahl
4. Ebden
5. Armstrong
6. G.Jones :rolleyes:
7. Tomic
8. Verryth

Winnipeg
01-01-2009, 03:57 AM
1. Luczak
2. Groth
3. Sirianni
4. Lindahl or Smeets

scotthongkong
01-01-2009, 03:07 PM
My suspicion is that the main draw wild cards will go to :


1. Tomic
2. Klein
3. Luczak
4. Ball

I am not saying these are my views just what I think will happen. Greg Jones will definitely get a q/ wc.

MM should get one as winner of the satellite tour but he will not......

save ausdecline
01-01-2009, 08:42 PM
Following players (in my view) should get wildcards:
1. Luczak
2. Matosevic
3. Ball
4. Groth

scotthongkong
01-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Following players (in my view) should get wildcards:
1. Luczak
2. Matosevic
3. Ball
4. Groth

Thank you ................MM needs a break

Audacity
01-04-2009, 03:52 PM
I'm hoping the following players get the remaining wildcards:

Luczak
Ball
Groth
Matosevic (he won't get it because TA are assholes). I'm gussing they will give it to Tomic or Klein, unfortunately.

ace ventura
01-04-2009, 09:37 PM
I am hoping Marinko and Joe get one, I mean if it wasn't for Joe no one would have had an Aussie to cheer on at AO last year.

Surely experience must count for something.

What is this youth policy, I mean Aggassi was making a come back in 2002 at 32, lance Armstrong is making one now.

Sure the youth need experience, but give them the qually w/c's, and even then if they cant beat the older guys now,

then make them work and earn it.

As if a W/C when they are not good enough for it will help anyone in the long run.

Looks ridiculous inviting people to a AO play off , then to just ignore the results.

scotthongkong
01-06-2009, 10:40 AM
I am hoping Marinko and Joe get one, I mean if it wasn't for Joe no one would have had an Aussie to cheer on at AO last year.

Surely experience must count for something.

What is this youth policy, I mean Aggassi was making a come back in 2002 at 32, lance Armstrong is making one now.

Sure the youth need experience, but give them the qually w/c's, and even then if they cant beat the older guys now,

then make them work and earn it.

As if a W/C when they are not good enough for it will help anyone in the long run.

Looks ridiculous inviting people to a AO play off , then to just ignore the results.

i love joe and Marinko to get them but I suspect they have little hope! they also better give Nick Lindahl a qualifying wild card as well!

geetee
01-06-2009, 11:00 AM
Joe HAS to get one. At least he has a chance of getting a set....

Audacity
01-07-2009, 04:25 PM
Carsten Ball didn't even enter qualifying for the AO, this is strange unless he has already been promised a wildcard.

save ausdecline
01-08-2009, 12:30 AM
I think hes got the wildcard. Generally this does occur before the AO.

scotthongkong
01-08-2009, 10:20 AM
He will get one for sure.

save ausdecline
01-09-2009, 04:33 AM
Its been confirmed Ball gets wildcard.

jmf07
01-08-2010, 08:46 AM
Who will get the remaining wildcards this time?

My selections would be
Maindraw - Ebden
Qualifying - Sirianni, Junaid, Lemke, Hensel, Kelly, Matt Reid, Mitchell, Verryth, Saville

But unfortunately with those selections it is probable that Sirianni and Junaid won't be there and possibly Verryth.

Hewitt10
01-08-2010, 09:01 AM
Well

My selections would be
Maindraw - Ebden or Millman probably Ebden though
Qualifiying - Sirianni, Kadir, Lemke, Hensel, Smeets, M.Reid, Mitchell, Duckworth and Saville

I hope that smeets gets in he is the best player by far outside the entry cut off for the aussies and why didnt he play at the AUS OPEN WILDCARD PLAY OFF he should of been given a wildcard?

jmf07
01-10-2010, 12:24 AM
Who will get the remaining wildcards this time?

My selections would be
Maindraw - Ebden
Qualifying - Sirianni, Junaid, Lemke, Hensel, Kelly, Matt Reid, Mitchell, Verryth, Saville

But unfortunately with those selections it is probable that Sirianni and Junaid won't be there and possibly Verryth.


Verryth's playing futures in Glasgow so he is not going to be there now.