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We Need Someone To Challenge Rafa Nadal On The Clay-The Chances Of The New Genaration

Iván
12-02-2008, 04:10 PM
Someone has to do something about Nadal's dominance on clay, i wish another special clay player would be born so we could see Nadal under severe pressure on the clay, it would be aswesome to watch nadal getting spanked on clay but will it ever really happen in our lifetime?

It is highly unlikely a new star will be born next year so we must look to the current new genaration crop.

Forget about Federer, Davydenko, Murray, Djokovic, Berdych, bandy ect ect ect...they wont bt him, we need someone new to suprise him, or someone to simply STEP UP.

Someone has to BRING IT to Rafa Next year

We Need More Momments Like This

http://www.lepoint.fr/content/system/media/6/20080506/photo_1210189825410-4-0.jpg

Here are the contenders.

Del Potro, Juan Martin (ARG)

http://www.infobae.com/adjuntos/imagenes/16/0121684B.jpg

Gulbis, Ernests (LAT)

http://bp1.blogger.com/_F4KZjiTUwP0/SEWiGdMBW8I/AAAAAAAAFLQ/AH9ViZhvpJE/s400/gulbis2.jpg

Schwank, Eduardo (ARG)

http://www.diarioelpopular.com.ar/diario/2008/05/26/galeria/DEP0401x.jpg

Nishikori, Kei (JPN)

http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/09/images/2008040960152101.jpg

Chardy, Jeremy (FRA)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gKWd0fatM43j/340x.jpg

Darcis, Steve (BEL)

http://aolsport.aol.fr/tennis/images/fiches/darcissteve.jpg

Bolelli, Simone (ITA)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3613/popbolelliac078474hb6.jpg

Cilic, Marin (CRO)

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Portals/0/images/2008-04-01/BiH2/MARIN_CILIC-031007Thumbnail.jpg

Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA)

http://bp0.blogger.com/_F4KZjiTUwP0/R7HRGgffXnI/AAAAAAAAEvU/TTm4Mk0stls/s400/Tsonga.jpg

Simon, Gilles (FRA)

http://www.laprovence.com/business/img/photos/biz/simongilles-original.jpg

Johnny Groove
12-02-2008, 04:14 PM
Can't really see any of those guys beating him to be honest

Ivanatis
12-02-2008, 04:23 PM
if we're talking about 2009, the only one who might have a slim chance is JMDP if he can make another leap

in the long view I don't know, maybe Chardy, the others don't seem to have that much potential on clay to me

it's far more likely, however, that neither reaches Nadal's current clay court level, but that some might have chances as he probably will not play on this level for 10 more years

Lee
12-02-2008, 04:24 PM
IMO, the names in this poll has less chance beating Nadal than Federer and Djokovic.

Foxy
12-02-2008, 04:26 PM
Can't really see any of those guys beating him to be honest

Me too.
The most chances of this bunch of players has Simon. But...

finishingmove
12-02-2008, 04:39 PM
chris guccione

Sunset of Age
12-02-2008, 04:39 PM
IMO, the names in this poll has less chance beating Nadal than Federer and Djokovic.

Seconded. So Fed and Djoko don't have any chance (dixit OP), and the players mentioned in the poll... would? :scratch:

With Raf being in good form I don't see ANY current player beating him on clay, btw.

Bilbo
12-02-2008, 04:50 PM
the answer you are searching for is none of the listed players

PiggyGotRoasted
12-02-2008, 04:59 PM
Davydenko is the one, trust me if he is playing his best he can take rafa on clay.

Igaarg
12-02-2008, 05:50 PM
Federer, Djoko, Davydenko playing his best as Alexio said...for the options you put, I need to see a little of the 2009 clay season first.

habibko
12-02-2008, 06:10 PM
Federer, Djoko, Davydenko playing his best as Alexio said...for the options you put, I need to see a little of the 2009 clay season first.

I second that.

Iván
12-02-2008, 06:31 PM
Seconded. So Fed and Djoko don't have any chance (dixit OP), and the players mentioned in the poll... would? :scratch:

With Raf being in good form I don't see ANY current player beating him on clay, btw.

I wanted to focus on the new generation, which one of these players could maybe up there game on the clay and challenge rafa.

I know what roger, novak, muzza and the rest are capable of.

DartMarcus
12-02-2008, 06:34 PM
Qureshi Bang Bang

Garson007
12-02-2008, 06:42 PM
I still say that, bar a big injury where he falls out before the semi-/finals, Djokovic will be the first to beat him at RG. That said, Simone might have a chance, if he improves his clay game.

Guga_fan
12-02-2008, 07:51 PM
I don't think any of these players defeat Nadal on clay, but if I were to choose who would give him more trouble I would pick Del Potro. For me, the players that can beat Rafa on clay are Djokovic, Federer and Davydenko.

Byrd
12-02-2008, 07:53 PM
I still think Fat Dave when playing well, even on clay would be a bad match up for the pig, last year showed what he can do to those top spin forehands.

Lee
12-02-2008, 08:09 PM
I wanted to focus on the new generation, which one of these players could maybe up there game on the clay and challenge rafa.

I know what roger, novak, muzza and the rest are capable of.

The problem I have with this list of "new generation" you put here, half of them, Bolelli, Tsonga, Simon, Schwank and Darcis are older than Nadal. :shrug:

And Cilic, Gulbis and Nishikori's games are much better on hard than clay.

Erica86
12-02-2008, 08:24 PM
An injury is the most serious threat for Nadal on clay. If he is physically fit, nobody can beat him at the moment on red dirt.

Federerhingis
12-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Can't really see any of those guys beating him to be honest

Furthermore, take away sets that's the challenge, beating him is out of the question. :tape: Like it was mentioned before this so called new generation tends to favor the faster court gamestyles.

Eden
12-02-2008, 08:37 PM
Do you mean challenging in a best of 3 or 5 match? We have seen that a few players were able to give Rafa a difficult time in a best of 3 match (Davydenko, Hewitt, Djokovic, Federer) when Rafa was physically fine.

Rafa's record on clay in a best of 5 match is incredible, but do people seriously expect him to go undefeated for his whole career in RG? He gets older and one day there will be a player who will beat him. This has been the case for every champion in the past with amazing records - and Rafa won't be an exception.

LinkMage
12-02-2008, 09:29 PM
No chance any of those mugs beat him on dirt. Better to do other things during the mud season than watching Nadull steamroll mug after mug once again. :zzz:

Damn
12-03-2008, 01:13 AM
Useless thread, anyway...

the answer you are searching for is none of the listed players
The answer he is searching for is nobody in the whole ATP tour. If we talk about clay we have 1 player (the best ever on the surface) and too many mugs, so call me only if one of those mugs beat Rafa on clay. Just too boring and predictable :zzz:

Davydenko is the one, trust me if he is playing his best he can take rafa on clay.

http://www.jalife.net/up/files/orly-ostrich.jpg http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7584/anim8lc3.gif

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/roddickwatch/animated%20gifs/rafashake.gif

Mimi
12-03-2008, 01:23 AM
Xriscos and Claydeath :aplot:

lalit
12-03-2008, 03:39 AM
simon maybe
he can bore anyone into losing
seriously unless we get someone who is fitter than nadal to outlast his lungs it will be difficult

why,marat,why?
12-03-2008, 04:05 AM
Of the players listed, Simon, Gulbis and Nishikori respectively have the best chance to overtake Rafa on clay. It's difficult for me to leave Del Potro off that list, but he just does not come off as enough of a warrior to claim a clay defeat over the Clay King.

GhostUnholy
12-03-2008, 04:07 AM
Have no fear, the king MARAT SAFIN will destroy nadal next year :D

Kolya
12-03-2008, 04:59 AM
None of them will challenge as long as Nadal stays fit.

JimmyV
12-03-2008, 05:51 AM
The answer your looking for is obviously Sam Querrey.

GhostUnholy
12-03-2008, 06:02 AM
The answer your looking for is obviously Sam Querrey.

Not Andy "Too Big" Roddick? :confused:

JimmyV
12-03-2008, 06:08 AM
Right, Roddick too. After their Davis Cup match Andy will have a good handle on Nadal's game, probably beating him in straights in the FO final.

GhostUnholy
12-03-2008, 06:14 AM
Right, Roddick too. After their Davis Cup match Andy will have a good handle on Nadal's game, probably beating him in straights in the FO final.

Lets not be modest on Andy's behalf, it will obviously be a triple bagel. :worship:
Just too big.

JimmyV
12-03-2008, 06:31 AM
Not just too big but too bald and too strong as well.

Mimi
12-03-2008, 06:32 AM
:lol:

sadly Rafa is getting bald too :tape:
Not just too big but too bald and too strong as well.

JimmyV
12-03-2008, 06:34 AM
:lol:

sadly Rafa is getting bald too :tape:

Why is everyone saying that.

finishingmove
12-03-2008, 06:35 AM
:lol:

sadly Rafa is getting bald too :tape:

and growing manboobs?

:D

Mimi
12-03-2008, 06:40 AM
please see the attached photo :mad:
Why is everyone saying that.

Mimi
12-03-2008, 06:49 AM
i prefer hairs (on the head) than these manboobs :mad::p
and growing manboobs?

:D

Castafiore
12-03-2008, 06:50 AM
Why is everyone saying that.
:secret: It's a rafatard thing but sadly, I haven't quite figured it out why they love saying it yet. "They" tend to come up with pictures that provide inconclusive evidence but for some reason, a group of rafatards love to say it.

Mimi
12-03-2008, 06:54 AM
sorry Hilde, I may be too sensitive, coz i am losing hairs too :o:mad::p

I would recommend rafa to use the shampoo advertised by Jackie Chan, i tried it a few times and it seems that I lost fewer hairs now :eek:

Mimi
12-03-2008, 07:02 AM
:angel:

Iván
12-03-2008, 10:52 AM
I think some of you guys havent understood what ive tried to insinuate in this thread.

Roger, Novak , davy and the rest have had a few years to try and dismantle rafa from his clay greatness and it hasnt happened so what i wanted to do was look at the emerging breed and see what their chances were.

Based on your opinions there chances arent very good!:D

So another year of history beckons for the clay god.

federernadalfan
12-03-2008, 10:57 AM
robby ginepri will beat the clay monster

Dougie
12-03-2008, 01:20 PM
I think some of you guys havent understood what ive tried to insinuate in this thread.

Roger, Novak , davy and the rest have had a few years to try and dismantle rafa from his clay greatness and it hasnt happened so what i wanted to do was look at the emerging breed and see what their chances were.

Based on your opinions there chances arent very good!:D

So another year of history beckons for the clay god.

The gap between Rafa and the "next generation" is already too wide for some particular player to fully close. At least until Rafa´s own game starts to decline, due to age, injury or whatever reason. As for the current top players, Federer seemed to be closing the gap at some point, but this season proved it´s wider than ever between them, I´m not sure even Fed himself REALLY believes in his chances of winning the RG.
Like I said, eventually there will be some fresh talent, who will dismantle Rafa on clay, but I just don´t see that happening as long as Rafa himself is at the top of his game. That´s not to say he won´t suffer some surprising, unexpected losses, but they will be rare.

oz_boz
12-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Rafa is too far ahead of his contemps and will need to be injured or seriously unmotivated to be beaten at RG the next 3-4 years. He is comparable to Borg at RG 78-80; Björn almost lost the F in 81 since he was losing interest in tennis badly, he quit the year after.

Horatio Caine
12-04-2008, 12:59 PM
The problem, for me, is that I haven't a clue what style of player could ultimately challenge Rafa (forget those players that catch him off-guard, e.g. when he is fatigued/injured) in an extended match on a clay court.

I mean, Rafa is the best defensive player in the world...how does another defensive player (of sound quality) hope to better him?

Very powerful, aggressive players have a better chance of beating him off the clay, but their strengths are negated on clay...they'd have to perform to an exceptional standard over a potential 4-5 hour match to finish him off. Executing that style, the chances of crossing the winning line are very low.

How can you beat him? :spit:

Anyway, to answer Ivan's question, I don't think any of his list of players are ready to seriously challenge him as early as next season...although I'm a little wary saying this given how his 2008 top 10 thread panned out! :lol: Anyway, for me, JMDP doesn't do enough with the ball...I don't think Rafa needs to be worried just yet. Cilic isn't really a special clay court player...don't think Tsonga or Gulbis would be as dangerous (as they would be on faster surfaces). I think Simon and Schwank are potentially his biggest threats, but I think the former would do well to win more than a set off him, and I doubt whether the latter would even do as much as that. As for Chardy...I think it is too easy to overrate his 2008 French Open.

HarryMan
12-04-2008, 01:29 PM
I don't know, I don't like him and I probably would never enjoy his playing style; but "challenging" Nadal is one thing and "beating" him is a totally different ball game.

Players like Djokovic, Federer, Davydenko (at his best), Ferrer (at his best), Del Potro (?), Nalbandian (this is the one match I would love to see, but still I am not sure whether Nalby could manage to win a set on clay) could "challenge" Nadal.

I thought Federer would get the job done couple of years ago after that classic Rome match; but the thing is this beast of a human being, on clay, has got better and better each year and now most of these other clowns (including the biggest one Fed) would be lucky to take a set from him.

I mean what strategy do you use against him, keep rallying with him from the baseline and try to counter pounch these vicious top spin forehands and have a baseline tussle with him, point after point; or try to play aggressive and just go for winners; or try serve and volley and end the point;

I mean, seriously, what do you do? I remember many comments (from fans like me, media etc) on how Federer should tackle Nadal on clay; and I remember Federer had said something like "why don't you try those things against him" or something like that to one of the jounalists a few years back.

I personally think the next player to "beat" Nadal should either have a blend of being capable of going toe to toe with him from the baseline as well as having the ability to go for winners with good serving and vollying ability, basically a complete package in all departments; Or wait for Nadal's body to wear out

duong
12-04-2008, 03:25 PM
I really think that Del Potro has the ideal profile to be able to beat Nadal in a best of 5 match on clay in a few years time :

- his serve can become very dangerous
- very good double-backhand and very tall : ideal against Nadal's forehand
- able to make baseline winners on clay against Nadal, which is also completely necessary, like for serve winners
- great courage and fighting mentality (I was very surprised someone said the opposite before)
- was born on clay

Of course, his physical abilities are the greatest question, especially for next year,

but nevertheless, maybe not this year but the year after that,

he has for me the ideal potential to beat Nadal on clay.

Don't forget that opposite to many players who have been quoted, he is still very young.

I'm really surprised about many people thinking about Gilles Simon.

Of course he has already beaten Davydenko or Canas, Robredo on clay, and might beat every other player,

but against Nadal on clay, he doesn't have both the physical ability and the ability to make winners.

He was completely exhausted and thought he would die on the court during his match in Madrid ... only best-of-three, and not on clay !

And he would not be able to do many short points on clay as he did in Madrid : he is not powerful enough for that.

PS : many players in this list are older than ... Gael Monfils and Richard Gasquet, who have a higher potential than the other quoted players to beat Nadal on clay.
Monfils was semi-finalist in Roland-Garros and has such a physical and technical potential !
Gasquet played great on clay and was near to Nadal in Monte-Carlo in 2005, then who knows one day ?

Nathaliia
12-04-2008, 04:00 PM
Chardy lost to Marcin Gawron, he's crossed out to me :lol: Tsonga hates clay as the famous thread stated. Simon would be good since he could bore Nadull and it's recommendation enough.

Monfils on a good day could do this; JMDP on a good day without injury.

Byrd
12-04-2008, 04:12 PM
Monfils on a good day is only good for making burgers at a burger stand, nothing more :haha:

MrChopin
12-04-2008, 04:59 PM
I still consider Federer and Djokovic as the lead contenders. They are the only ones to really push him on clay last year. Murray has yet to be proven. The rest don't have the game for it. Simon is tempting, but I don't think he will handle Nadal on clay. Nadal has more time there and so can play more aggressively, which means Simon won't get as easy a match as he had in Madrid when Rafa was off peak on a faster surface. I don't think Simon will have a single weapon to hurt Nadal on clay, whereas Nadal on clay will easily make things uncomfortable for someone Simon's size and style.

Nadal played unbelievable clay tennis this year, especially in Hamburg and RG. If he should not get back to that level in 2009, it may be possible for Fed or Djokovic as both somewhat close in Hamburg. This is probably true more for Djokovic as he is more consistent from the ground than Fed, though his general consistency has been questionable since Wimbledon. Federer, Djokovic, and to a lesser extent guys like JWT and Gulbis, can probably hit through clay or play aggressive enough and with some consistency, but none of them have been able to hold up for long enough.

Fed or Djokovic need the first set, that much was pretty clear in Hamburg last year. I think Fed is more capable of blowing an "unready" Nadal out quickly in a set, but he's prone to missing more as well. Yet if Nadal plays clay tennis in '09 like he did in '08, Djokovic's game is not imposing enough. That leaves Fed as option #1, as ridiculous as that may sound.

PiggyGotRoasted
12-04-2008, 05:24 PM
Simon is your guy, Nadal would hate to play him on clay because he will just give him a taste of his own medicine.

Damn
12-04-2008, 06:24 PM
Simon is your guy, Nadal would hate to play him on clay because he will just give him a taste of his own medicine.

I thought it was the fixer one...

Dougie
12-04-2008, 06:53 PM
Simon is your guy, Nadal would hate to play him on clay because he will just give him a taste of his own medicine.

I don´t think so, Simon has nothing to hurt Nadal with on clay. His game is just too one-dimensional. Both their game is based on making as little errors as possible. Nadal can do that and still put more pressure on the opponent than Simon.
If someone will beat Nadal on clay, he will have to play some sort of attacking game. It´s just not possible to give Nadal a taste of his own medicine, because there is no one that does it better than Nadal.

Venle
12-06-2008, 09:45 AM
Federer, Djoko, Davydenko playing his best as Alexio said...for the options you put, I need to see a little of the 2009 clay season first.

I second this.

Simon could also have a tiny chance of beating Rafa, hopefully in his home slam.

tiptop
12-06-2008, 01:25 PM
I think it will be Berdych (or someone with a similar game style) who will eventually beat him.

chammer44
12-10-2008, 07:13 AM
I know how laughable it sounds but every quality required of a solid clay court player is possessed by the Scotchman. In theory there is no reason for Murray's abysmal performance. And I am confident that given time Murray shall perform "feats of Clay."

Mĺnu
12-10-2008, 08:19 AM
Tsonga with home crowd cheering can be amazing as he's shown in Paris. He will be very motivated because he missed RG last year!

gogogirl
12-10-2008, 05:57 PM
Hey All,

Besides Roger, I think D-Vic, Simon, T-Songa, Andy M. and even Stan could challenge Rafa on clay in 2009. I think the telling of it will be how players fare against him before the FO.

I just read where Roger will only play two clay court tourneys before FO. I don't blame him. Less pressure all way round - and as it pertains to entire year. I also just read where Becker & Sampras predicts that Roger will get the No. 1 ranking back.

I agree with the ones that say T-Songa will be very motivated at the 09 FO. Did he win the Juniors title there?

One of the reasons I feel an(other)s may well beat Rafa on clay in 09 is because of what the below article touches on. Clay gives players more time to improvise. By now these players know how much time it takes Rafa to wind up, so in my opinion, they need to become more aggressive, period against him, out of the gates. Of course, said player has to be a pretty special player in his own right.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/tennis/claycourt-revolution-starts-on-north-coast/2008/12/05/1228257317153.html

*On a side note, anyone notice that on both tours, two players playing with Wilson rackets won a slam, and two players playing with a Wilson racket both won the end of the year championships. LOL!

duong
12-11-2008, 08:41 AM
I agree with the ones that say T-Songa will be very motivated at the 09 FO. Did he win the Juniors title there?

no he won the US OPen.

Monfils, Gasquet and Mathieu won the French Open.

buzz
12-11-2008, 11:15 AM
I think somebody has to be in very very good shape. Maybe murray can do something, he's getting stronger and faster which will help him on clay. Or fat Dave if he will change in to fit dave and has a very good day. Federer on a super day painting the lines.

Action Jackson
04-04-2009, 09:09 AM
Time for some of these cats to stand up, but this isn't looking very likely.

BackhandMissile
04-04-2009, 09:29 AM
I give Monfils an outside chance. If anyone, then he is the guy to turn the tides. Djokovic has the talent but can't put up to the physical demands of playing Rafa in a 5-er.

Monfils can.

heya
04-04-2009, 10:31 AM
American challenge?

Monfils and Djokovic are wusses.

Venle
04-04-2009, 10:57 AM
At the moment I don't see anyone doing it.

Rafa is feared on clay and he's playing well, going confident again for the clay season.

Djokovic, Monfils, Simon, maybe Murray, could push him on clay but beating... Unlikely.

Maybe it's more realistic to wish for a close final. At least one of the three sets not ending with a double break.

Elena.
04-04-2009, 10:59 AM
None, really.

born_on_clay
04-04-2009, 08:22 PM
Tsonga
And where in Monfils ?

miura
04-04-2009, 08:25 PM
I mean, Gulbis has proven that he can play on clay, no doubt about it. It's just his shit poor consistency and lack of proper training that's keeping him from prevailing right now. I damn sure hope Ernests will go further than the second round in some of the big clay tournaments.

Certinfy
04-04-2009, 08:32 PM
If anyone does beat Nadal on clay in a 5 set match, there gna have to believe that they can beat Nadal, unlike others who just know they've lost & just lose in 3

Burrow
04-04-2009, 08:39 PM
I give Monfils an outside chance. If anyone, then he is the guy to turn the tides. Djokovic has the talent but can't put up to the physical demands of playing Rafa in a 5-er.

Monfils can.

Monfils barely has the game to beat Nadal on hard nevermind at Roland Garros, no way he could out push Nadal.

vidanhv
04-04-2009, 09:01 PM
Seconded. So Fed and Djoko don't have any chance (dixit OP), and the players mentioned in the poll... would? :scratch:

With Raf being in good form I don't see ANY current player beating him on clay, btw.
Absolutely with you here! For the next few seasons, I can see only Fed and Nole bringing some harm to Nadal on clay.

shotgun
04-04-2009, 10:06 PM
I doubt anyone will beat him at Roland Garros, but I'm curious as to who (if anyone) will beat him in one of the Masters 1000 events. I mean, who would have thought Ferrero would be the one to defeat him last year?

Action Jackson
04-05-2009, 05:26 AM
It will happen one day, just how long will that day be in coming.

Guy Haines
04-05-2009, 05:32 AM
It will happen one day, just how long will that day be in coming.

I wish it were Simon instead but I voted JMDP. I think it'll take a couple of years though. And JMDP is going to have to man up and stop being such a sad sack.

I can't believe people have voted for Tsonga. Has he even won 10 ATP matches on clay?

Gulbis -- another pipe dream. He got as far as he did at Roland Garros by besting such clay monsters as James Blake.

The absolute weakness of the Chile/Argentina/Mexico clay performances and Nadal's dominance last year and his impvoement off clay since make it seem like Rafa has his easiest year yet ahead of him. But odds like that always spook me a bit.

GugaF1
04-05-2009, 07:36 AM
None of those listed in my opinion. Thomaz Bellucci certainly is a bit of a match up for Nadal. The guy is 6 feet 3 lefty, the heavy topspin of Nadal as shown in their first encounter, when Bellucci was still a challenger player, doesnt bother him much, it rather comes right on his striking zone. Belllucci plays one of the most agressives games I have seen on clay. And I think it takes a James blake of sorts in clay to really bother Nadal. Someone who is just going to rally to death with him doesn`t have much of a chance. Like they say, you can BS the BSer.

But for that to Happen, Bellucci needs to polish his game much more and his mind. Become a solid top 40. And I would think it is more likely to happen the following years. I am not sure about this one already, but it could. I have a feeling that if they meet on a clay court, with Belluccci playing well. Is already a tougher match up than most of the guys listed...

VolandriFan
04-05-2009, 07:40 AM
Apparently Del Potro isn't a joke anymore.

:)

leng jai
04-05-2009, 08:15 AM
Apparently Del Potro isn't a joke anymore.

:)

Del Pony is still a joke.

TennisViewer531
04-05-2009, 08:28 AM
I'd say Gilles Simon! :)

Halba
04-05-2009, 09:29 AM
if he brings his MIAMI "D" game he can get beaten

physically del potro not up to standard.

murray has the best chance of the entire tour if he can play an aggressive game and returns well and nadal is playing poor. murray's forehand is the key weakness in the battles though, even though it has improved. the rest of his game is very slick and could do well.

federer is cooked.

djokovic makes too many unforced errors(see his differential always errors more than winners)

nalby's fat

tsonga's unfit

davydenko isn't competing

simon's back to sub par form

monfils is injured

Action Jackson
04-05-2009, 09:33 AM
Murray is crap on clay.

Iván
04-05-2009, 10:26 AM
good bump