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The Nole, some of us wonder why on earth you are playing in Thailand cheering thread

*Ljubica*
09-21-2008, 02:29 PM
None of us seem really sure why Nole is going to Thailand, - but seems he is determined, - so let's cheer for him :) Marko will also be there (he has a wild card), and Viktor too of course.

Here is the draw.

Djokovic (1) vs. BYE
Benneteau vs. Qualifier
Berrer vs. Gabashvili
Qualifier vs. Soderling (6)

Berdych (3) vs. BYE
Bellucci vs. Bolelli
Udomchoke (WC) vs. Mahut
Djokovic, M. vs. Nieminen (5)

Safin (7) vs. Petzschner
Zverev vs. Smeets (WC)
Qualifier vs. Kendrick
BYE vs. Monfils (4)

Melzer (8) vs. Young
Santoro vs. Troicki
Qualifier vs. Becker
BYE vs. Tsonga (2)

arm
09-21-2008, 02:37 PM
I ask the same question. :shrug:

Anyway, if you're in, it's for the title. :bounce:

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 02:39 PM
Good luck to Nole, Petzschner, Bellucci, Marko, and Viktor :D :rocker2:

kalisita
09-21-2008, 02:56 PM
I also don't know why he's playing here, though I think it just may have something to do with money. ;) I wish he would have defended Vienna, especially since he still hasn't defended a title period. I think it's bad that the next title he has a chance to defend is the AO. But, since he's here, he better win the title. Been too long without one. :)

So, does anyone know when he'll probably start?

*Ljubica*
09-21-2008, 03:11 PM
I also don't know why he's playing here, though I think it just may have something to do with money. ;) I wish he would have defended Vienna, especially since he still hasn't defended a title period. I think it's bad that the next title he has a chance to defend is the AO. But, since he's here, he better win the title. Been too long without one. :)

So, does anyone know when he'll probably start?

He has a Bye, so I would say not til at least Wednesday :shrug: Will give him time to get there and have a day or so to shake of the jet-lag I suppose.

Running:Free
09-21-2008, 03:22 PM
Playing doubles too - http://www.thailandopen.org/upload/draws_pdf/doubles_PDF.pdf

First round against The Magician and Tsongnator :rolls:

Add me to the "Why wouldn't he rather defend Vienna?" list.

*Ljubica*
09-21-2008, 03:29 PM
Playing doubles too - http://www.thailandopen.org/upload/draws_pdf/doubles_PDF.pdf

First round against The Magician and Tsongnator :rolls:

Add me to the "Why wouldn't he rather defend Vienna?" list.

Doubles :eek: WTF! First he says he's tired, then he plays doubles in some stupid tournament on the other side of the world. Oh my :rolleyes:

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 03:31 PM
Doubles :eek: WTF! First he says he's tired, then he plays doubles in some stupid tournament on the other side of the world. Oh my :rolleyes:

He's playing with Marko :shrug: he doesn't get much opportunity to do so. I don't think he'll take it incredibly seriously... and since he has a bye in singles he doesn't have to play many matches this week anyway :) I'm sure it's fine... the doubles just is like "Fun times playing with my brother" :)

Herdwick
09-21-2008, 03:34 PM
I also don't know why he's playing here, though I think it just may have something to do with money. ;) I wish he would have defended Vienna, especially since he still hasn't defended a title period. I think it's bad that the next title he has a chance to defend is the AO. But, since he's here, he better win the title. Been too long without one. :)


Quite - nothing to add. Just hope it won't bite him in the backside for the rest of the season.
:mad:

*Ljubica*
09-21-2008, 03:38 PM
He's playing with Marko :shrug: he doesn't get much opportunity to do so. I don't think he'll take it incredibly seriously... and since he has a bye in singles he doesn't have to play many matches this week anyway :) I'm sure it's fine... the doubles just is like "Fun times playing with my brother" :)

Yes - I can see that, and I'm sure he'll have some great family fun doing it :) Just not sure 2 weeks before Madrid, and so close to Paris and Shanghai is the right time to do that - especially as he's losing all his points from Vienna last year too :shrug: Hopefully I'm wrong though.

arm
09-21-2008, 03:40 PM
Marko and Nole playing together? :angel:

A couple of woman here must be thrilled. :devil: :lol:

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 03:45 PM
Yes - I can see that, and I'm sure he'll have some great family fun doing it :) Just not sure 2 weeks before Madrid, and so close to Paris and Shanghai is the right time to do that - especially as he's losing all his points from Vienna last year too :shrug: Hopefully I'm wrong though.

It's actually 3 weeks before Madrid. :shrug:

There's this week, then the week of Tokyo/Metz, then the week of Vienna/Stockholm/Moscow and then Madrid :shrug:

He's on the entry list for Vienna though... :scratch: Has he withdrawn?

Lossi
09-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Yeah, why would he play the tournament that gave his brother a wildcard :confused: It's not like it's a good, pretty fast indoor court with a traditionally decent, but not to difficult draw to allow a player to start off his indoor season...

Doesn't his management also have something to do with organising the tournament? :p

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 03:48 PM
It's actually 3 weeks before Madrid. :shrug:

There's this week, then the week of Tokyo/Metz, then the week of Vienna/Stockholm/Moscow and then Madrid :shrug:

He's on the entry list for Vienna though... :scratch: Has he withdrawn?

Okay I read now that he has stated he won't play there? But he hasn't actually withdrawn. His name is still on the entry list.

Anyway, it doesn't bother me that he'd rather have the week off before Madrid to BE well rested instead of playing right up to a Masters Series event :shrug:

I still think Bangkok is a good warm up event for indoors that still gives him plenty of time to rest before the main events :D

neznana
09-21-2008, 03:48 PM
OMFG :eek::eek:
o jeah im one of this girls...jaja can't wait to see this :devil: togheter..but where we would watch this in LIVE???:sad::sad: i've no idea..i pray for some clips and pix if we wont be able to watch this matches!!
GOO DJOKOS!!!!:worship: :):)

Jelena_78
09-21-2008, 03:49 PM
:wavey:

He's playing with Marko :shrug: he doesn't get much opportunity to do so. I don't think he'll take it incredibly seriously... and since he has a bye in singles he doesn't have to play many matches this week anyway :) I'm sure it's fine... the doubles just is like "Fun times playing with my brother" :)

:dance: I wish I could see them play together

*Ljubica*
09-21-2008, 04:04 PM
Okay I read now that he has stated he won't play there? But he hasn't actually withdrawn. His name is still on the entry list.

Anyway, it doesn't bother me that he'd rather have the week off before Madrid to BE well rested instead of playing right up to a Masters Series event :shrug:

I still think Bangkok is a good warm up event for indoors that still gives him plenty of time to rest before the main events :D

I actually don't quite understand the whole situation with Vienna :shrug: Accordng to Nole's official site he isn't playing there - it's not on his schedule, and never has been. Even the Vienna website doesn't mention him, and, a while ago, ran an article saying they were disappointed because he had decided not to participate there this year. However, as you say, his name is still on the Entry List here and at SteveG's :confused: As far as most people on his site seem to think - he definitely will not be there.

I think most of us understand his logic in wanting a week off before a Masters event, after his bad showing towards the end of the year last year - it's just that with his propensity for tiredness, and admitted suffering from excessive travelling and jet-lag sometimes, it seems strange to go straight from DC in Europe to Bangkok, and then back again, instead of taking a week off now to rest at home, and then playing a warm-up event somewhere like Metz next week, which at least is in the same time zone.

Edit: You're right Jess - it's 3 weeks, not 2.

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 04:13 PM
Well from what I understand, his management team kind of owns/runs Bangkok... I think it's an obligation he probably can't get out of ;) Safin is there as well, they're run by the same people :shrug:

And I don't think the travel is too bad with two extra weeks :)

I think it is not as bad as everyone here is trying to make it :) Let's make the most of it and get a title here and then prepare and rest for the big events :D

kalisita
09-21-2008, 04:15 PM
He's playing with Marko :shrug: he doesn't get much opportunity to do so. I don't think he'll take it incredibly seriously... and since he has a bye in singles he doesn't have to play many matches this week anyway :) I'm sure it's fine... the doubles just is like "Fun times playing with my brother" :)

He never seems to take non-DC doubles seriously. I wish he would actually, especially at a smaller tounrament like this. It would give him good practice with his net play.

Though, I don't think he'd have much luck at this tounament anyway, considering his playing with an inexperienced partner and has drawn the Magician the first round.

*Ljubica*
09-21-2008, 04:16 PM
Well from what I understand, his management team kind of owns/runs Bangkok... I think it's an obligation he probably can't get out of ;) Safin is there as well, they're run by the same people :shrug:

And I don't think the travel is too bad with two extra weeks :)

I think it is not as bad as everyone here is trying to make it :) Let's make the most of it and get a title here and then prepare and rest for the big events :D

Must admit I didn't know about the Management team link - makes a lot more sense now.

And of course I want him to win the title - wherever it is :) Also admit, there is probably an element of personal bias in my views, as I am going to Madrid, and may possibly have a few days in Paris too, and obviously want to see a fit and healthy Nole going as far as possible when I can see him live, as opposed to losing in the first rounds due to tiredness :p

Do you think the thread title is too negative? I am happy to edit it, if you prefer:)

kalisita
09-21-2008, 04:18 PM
Well from what I understand, his management team kind of owns/runs Bangkok... I think it's an obligation he probably can't get out of ;) Safin is there as well, they're run by the same people :shrug:

And I don't think the travel is too bad with two extra weeks :)

I think it is not as bad as everyone here is trying to make it :) Let's make the most of it and get a title here and then prepare and rest for the big events :D

No, it's really not that bad. It's just that it's a lot of travel, even if he wins he'll lose points, and he's never defended any title anywhere and Vienna could have been a good chance to do that.

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 04:22 PM
No, it's really not that bad. It's just that it's a lot of travel, even if he wins he'll lose points, and he's never defended any title anywhere and Vienna could have been a good chance to do that.

But, if he defended his Vienna title and played the entire week right before Madrid... he sometimes has problems winning a tournament and then playing well at the next one...

There's all sorts of pieces to this :)

I trust in Novak that he and his crew know what they're doing :)

Alex999
09-21-2008, 04:35 PM
But, if he defended his Vienna title and played the entire week right before Madrid... he sometimes has problems winning a tournament and then playing well at the next one...

There's all sorts of pieces to this :)

I trust in Novak that he and his crew know what they're doing :)
I agree with you here. Go Nole and don't mess with Thai women :angel:.

Tess Gray
09-21-2008, 06:07 PM
OMFG :eek::eek:
o jeah im one of this girls...jaja can't wait to see this :devil: togheter..but where we would watch this in LIVE???:sad::sad: i've no idea..i pray for some clips and pix if we wont be able to watch this matches!!
GOO DJOKOS!!!!:worship: :):)

I haven't even though of that :speakles: we need a good livestream... or we need someone who takes loads (LOOAADS) of pictures:D

I agree with you here. Go Nole and don't mess with Thai women :angel:.

yeah:lol: we don't need more gossip about ladies he may or may not be with

Running:Free
09-21-2008, 06:27 PM
The official website is going to be streaming centre court live:

http://thailandopen.tv/

Manon
09-21-2008, 06:44 PM
Since Novak shedule was released in may I guess (and I heard) this *after USO* season for Novak should be mostly for preparing for next season (working on his fitness, volley, etc..). Why they decided Bakgkok instead Viena or...who knows. I don't like the idea. Anyway we'll see what will happen.

Masters are OK, we knew he'll play Paris, Madrid, Shaghai, DC...

neznana
09-21-2008, 08:24 PM
The official website is going to be streaming centre court live:

http://thailandopen.tv/
tnx..i hope it will works tmr :cool:

Lee
09-21-2008, 09:48 PM
He's playing with Marko :shrug: he doesn't get much opportunity to do so. I don't think he'll take it incredibly seriously... and since he has a bye in singles he doesn't have to play many matches this week anyway :) I'm sure it's fine... the doubles just is like "Fun times playing with my brother" :)

Pretty obvious with Marko there. Have fun playing doubles with his brother and tank his singles. :tape:

Manon
09-21-2008, 10:40 PM
Pretty obvious with Marko there. Have fun playing doubles with his brother and tank his singles. :tape:

Actually, your describe is the absolut truth. Have fun, nothing else.

~Maya~
09-22-2008, 04:23 AM
Good luck
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Scotso
09-22-2008, 06:52 AM
I would play this event just so I could go to Bangkok. Fun.

Jess, your avatar is quite homoerotic.

Truc
09-22-2008, 09:12 AM
The official website is going to be streaming centre court live:

http://thailandopen.tv/It even streams the practice sessions and it looks like Nole practicing at the moment (is he already there??).
(But it's a pay livestream and the video quality is not very good, so it's not really worth it, I think there will be free livestreams on bwin.)

Edit: I don't think it's Nole, sorry, it doesn't look at all like his service motion, only the groundstrokes looked like his... I hope nobody has taken a subscription because of my post. ^^

*Ljubica*
09-22-2008, 10:46 AM
It even streams the practice sessions and it looks like Nole practicing at the moment (is he already there??).
(But it's a pay livestream and the video quality is not very good, so it's not really worth it, I think there will be free livestreams on bwin.)

Edit: I don't think it's Nole, sorry, it doesn't look at all like his service motion, only the groundstrokes looked like his... I hope nobody has taken a subscription because of my post. ^^

Hi :wavey: Thanks for stopping by :) Nole was still in Bratislava last night with the DC Team, so I'm pretty sure he won't be in Bagkok yet. Thanks for the livestream advice, - I'll be at work for most of the matches, and unable to watch livestreams, so I probably won't take out a subscription, unless he gets to the Final at the weekend or something :) But it's always useful to know.

Truc
09-22-2008, 12:03 PM
It was definitely not Nole, but I thought I had seen "Pants" practicing because the service motion looked so weird... That's embarrassing. I've recognized Tsonga, that one I'm pretty sure. ^^
The practice sessions are a nice extra, but not really worth the 7 € for the week. On the other hand, if you're going to subscribe it anyway, you can do it now since the coverage has already started.

*Ljubica*
09-22-2008, 01:38 PM
It was definitely not Nole, but I thought I had seen "Pants" practicing because the service motion looked so weird... That's embarrassing. I've recognized Tsonga, that one I'm pretty sure. ^^
The practice sessions are a nice extra, but not really worth the 7 € for the week. On the other hand, if you're going to subscribe it anyway, you can do it now since the coverage has already started.

Indeed "Pants" has a weird service motion (sorry Jess :o ) - but he was actually playing in DC yesterday (in the "dead" rubber), so I'm sure it wasn't him either :shrug: If they have late evening matches, maybe I will subscribe, as I would be home by then:) Thanks for all the info.

tangerine_dream
09-22-2008, 04:59 PM
Good morning everyone :wavey:

Re: The Nole, some of us wonder why on earth you are playing in Thailand ....

Indeed, why is there an indoor season at all? Don't you sometimes wish the tennis season would end right after USO? Play Davis Cup in the fall but that's it? No indoor carpet, no Asian tour or whatever. :o I mean, as a tennis fan I'm fried. I'm tired of the constant live score watching, dealing with livestream frustrations, and spending too much time on the weekends reviewing taped matches from the past week (or month, depending on how backed up I am). And then it starts all over again, there's no break. It's a constant cycle of tennistennistennis. It feels like my life is interfering with tennis, not the other way around. :scared: I can't imagine how much worse the players must feel, especially the ones who have been doing this for years. I can see why many burn out, and it's admirable how others do not.

Sorry for the rant but this looked like a good place to do it in. :lol:

*Ljubica*
09-22-2008, 05:11 PM
Good morning everyone :wavey:

Re: The Nole, some of us wonder why on earth you are playing in Thailand ....

Indeed, why is there an indoor season at all? Don't you sometimes wish the tennis season would end right after USO? Play Davis Cup in the fall but that's it? No indoor carpet, no Asian tour or whatever. :o I mean, as a tennis fan I'm fried. I'm tired of the constant live score watching, dealing with livestream frustrations, and spending too much time on the weekends reviewing taped matches from the past week (or month, depending on how backed up I am). And then it starts all over again, there's no break. It's a constant cycle of tennistennistennis. It feels like my life is interfering with tennis, not the other way around. :scared: I can't imagine how much worse the players must feel, especially the ones who have been doing this for years. I can see why many burn out, and it's admirable how others do not.

Sorry for the rant but this looked like a good place to do it in. :lol:

:lol: Good evening to you :wavey: And please feel free to rant here - hope it made you feel better.

I can't totally agree with you, because Madrid and Paris Masters' are two of my best (and nearest) opportunities to :drool: over hot tennis players (sorry, I mean watch tennis) live :lol: But I do see where you're coming from. These tennis players earn a lot of money etc., but the constant travelling must put a strain on their health by this stage of the year - not to mention on their relationships/family etc.

Btw - isn't life and tennis one and the same thing? :p Is there any other way?

Lossi
09-22-2008, 05:13 PM
Dammit Tangy don't you know some players can only earn their points now!?!? :sad:

Seriously though, I love that the ATP's idea of making the season better was to make it LONGER. Smart move :rolleyes:

PennyThePenguin
09-22-2008, 10:47 PM
Dammit Tangy don't you know some players can only earn their points now!?!? :sad:

Seriously though, I love that the ATP's idea of making the season better was to make it LONGER. Smart move :rolleyes:

like marat...........






















used to? :awww:

*Raine
09-23-2008, 04:09 AM
:crying2:They're only going to show the quarterfinals up to finals here.

Anyway go Novak, Tsonga, Bolelli, Viktor, Safin, Melzer, Benneteau, Berdych, Nieminen and Monfils :bigclap::rocker2:

*Ljubica*
09-23-2008, 01:28 PM
I'm told he is in Bangkok now and currently training (thanks Truc :hug: ) I'm also told it is a very "gentle" training :lol:

Lee
09-23-2008, 02:10 PM
Good morning everyone :wavey:

Re: The Nole, some of us wonder why on earth you are playing in Thailand ....

Indeed, why is there an indoor season at all? Don't you sometimes wish the tennis season would end right after USO? Play Davis Cup in the fall but that's it? No indoor carpet, no Asian tour or whatever. :o I mean, as a tennis fan I'm fried. I'm tired of the constant live score watching, dealing with livestream frustrations, and spending too much time on the weekends reviewing taped matches from the past week (or month, depending on how backed up I am). And then it starts all over again, there's no break. It's a constant cycle of tennistennistennis. It feels like my life is interfering with tennis, not the other way around. :scared: I can't imagine how much worse the players must feel, especially the ones who have been doing this for years. I can see why many burn out, and it's admirable how others do not.

Sorry for the rant but this looked like a good place to do it in. :lol:

:hug: You're not the only one here.

Lee
09-23-2008, 02:12 PM
Nole will start his debute in Bangkok playing doubles with Marko on Wednesday.

And Safin is out :tape:

savesthedizzle
09-23-2008, 02:27 PM
Nole will start his debute in Bangkok playing doubles with Marko on Wednesday.

And Safin is out :tape:

There's so many other more interesting things for Marat to do in Bangkok besides play tennis :shrug:

But :dance: Petzschner :D

neznana
09-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Nole will start his debute in Bangkok playing doubles with Marko on Wednesday.

And Safin is out :tape:
aha tnx yo for info :)
C'MON DJOKOS BROTHERS!! :cool::cool:

*Ljubica*
09-23-2008, 08:01 PM
OOP for tomorrow:-

Court 1 – 2:00 PM Start

Thomaz BELLUCCI (BRA) vs Simone BOLELLI (ITA)

Marko DJOKOVIC (SRB) vs Jarkko NIEMINEN (FIN)

Mischa ZVEREV (GER) vs Robert SMEETS (AUS)

Marko DJOKOVIC (SRB)/Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) vs
Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA]/Fabrice SANTORO(FRA)

Herdwick
09-23-2008, 08:14 PM
Not even on Centre....dear, dear - star is falling fast.

*Ljubica*
09-23-2008, 08:22 PM
Not even on Centre....dear, dear - star is falling fast.

:lol: It's only doubles :nerner:

Herdwick
09-23-2008, 08:29 PM
Against Fabrice and Tsonga - come on, that's worth Centre on it's own. These Thais are spoilt...

neznana
09-23-2008, 10:36 PM
any LIVESTREAM?? it's possible? :confused: for tmr matchs pleaseee

*Raine
09-24-2008, 01:16 AM
Nole will start his debute in Bangkok playing doubles with Marko on Wednesday.

And Safin is out :tape:

:sad:

There's so many other more interesting things for Marat to do in Bangkok besides play tennis :shrug:

But :dance: Petzschner :D

Marat could always make a short trip here in the Philippines instead :angel:.

I'll be very happy :lol:

Seriously, I hope he does well in doubles. ;)

kalisita
09-24-2008, 02:45 AM
any LIVESTREAM?? it's possible? :confused: for tmr matchs pleaseee

I just found this link in the Thailand tournament forum so I have no idea what it's like or if it'll work everywhere or what courts it shows, but it's the only one I've found.

http://tvonline.thaicool.com/thaitv/live/3.asp

tmv
09-24-2008, 06:38 AM
I just found this link in the Thailand tournament forum so I have no idea what it's like or if it'll work everywhere or what courts it shows, but it's the only one I've found.

http://tvonline.thaicool.com/thaitv/live/3.asp

Thank you Kalisita, it works, I'am watching Viktor now, but the screen is thumbnail size.

edit
And Viktor won http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a075.gif

Scotso
09-24-2008, 09:33 AM
:lol: It's only doubles :nerner:

Yeah, but if Marko had found a better partner they probably would have put him on centre ;)

neznana
09-24-2008, 10:12 AM
I just found this link in the Thailand tournament forum so I have no idea what it's like or if it'll work everywhere or what courts it shows, but it's the only one I've found.

http://tvonline.thaicool.com/thaitv/live/3.asp
tnx you hunie..but buffering it's very slow down..i dunno i cant see the pix for now..i hope will better!!
:wavey:

neznana
09-24-2008, 11:09 AM
ajde djokos 1:0 ...ajmooo!!!

neznana
09-24-2008, 12:01 PM
they lost 6:2, 6:2...sadly
GOO DJOKOS!!!

kalisita
09-24-2008, 03:51 PM
Order of Play for Thurs
Centre Court 12 pm start
Teimuraz Gabashvili vs Robin Soderling
Nicolas Mahut vs Jarkko Nieminen
Doubles Match
Not before 7 pm
Novak Djokovic vs Simon Stadler
Tomas Berdych vs Simone Bolelli


Go Nole! I don't know anything about Stadler. He qualified to get in and beat Benneteau in 1R. Hopefully, this goes well and is an easy win. :)

*Ljubica*
09-24-2008, 03:53 PM
Nole plays his first singles' match tomorrow. As far as I can work out, 7.00pm Thai time is about 1.09pm in the UK and 2.00pm in Serbia, which means I'll be at work wirh no chance to watch or even follow live scores :sad: Good luck to him anyway :)

THAILAND OPEN - THAILAND

$576,000.00

SEPTEMBER 21 - SEPTEMBER 28, 2008

Thursday 25 September 2008

CENTRE COURT start 12:00 noon

T Gabashvili (RUS) vs [6] R Soderling (SWE)

N Mahut (FRA) vs [5] J Nieminen (FIN)

[1] L Dlouhy (CZE) / L Paes (IND)
vs
R Bopanna (IND) / A Qureshi (PAK)

Not Before 7:00PM

[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs [Q] S Stadler (GER)

[3] T Berdych (CZE) vs S Bolelli (ITA)

Running:Free
09-25-2008, 12:13 AM
8:00 AM, EST. Impossible time to make :lol:

Doubles score :o Ajde for tomorrow, Novak! :hug:

Running:Free
09-25-2008, 11:22 AM
Around half an hour left till the match starts. Need to leave now :ras:

Have a good day everyone :hug:

*Raine
09-25-2008, 12:13 PM
Good thing Bangkok is only one hour behind from us.. :D :banana:

~Maya~
09-25-2008, 12:30 PM
Novak is playing. So far 4:1 for Novak. Still breathes sometimes like he has emphysema or something

*Raine
09-25-2008, 12:36 PM
6-1 :D :worship:

I wish I could watch it, but they're only going to show the games here tomorrow. :o

~Maya~
09-25-2008, 12:45 PM
His serve s*cks

kalisita
09-25-2008, 12:45 PM
Stadler held serving first in the second. Nole went from 40-0 to Deuce in his first service game of the second. And is now at BP. And is broken.

*Raine
09-25-2008, 12:47 PM
His serve s*cks

:sad:


Btw thanks kalisita and gio for the updates.

~Maya~
09-25-2008, 12:47 PM
If anybody is interested, you can watch it here. $5.99 monthly fee.

http://www.balkaniyum.tv/srpski/index.shtml

kalisita
09-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Got the break back at least. Hopefully, can get this done fast. He'll play Soderling tomorrow. Soderling can be a problem on any given day, but especially on indoor courts.

*Raine
09-25-2008, 12:55 PM
If anybody is interested, you can watch it here. $5.99 monthly fee.

http://www.balkaniyum.tv/srpski/index.shtml

I don't have that amount of money unfortunately :sad:.

Got the break back at least. Hopefully, can get this done fast. He'll play Soderling tomorrow. Soderling can be a problem on any given day, but especially on indoor courts.

I agree

kalisita
09-25-2008, 01:20 PM
Nole d Stadler 6-1, 6-3 :)

Not the greatest match, but good enough for his first round. Probably have to step up against Soderling tomorrow. His serve was working a little better in second set, but it could be much better.

*Raine
09-25-2008, 01:29 PM
:rocker2:Yes!!!

ataptc
09-25-2008, 01:52 PM
One match at a time I guess :bounce:

*Ljubica*
09-25-2008, 02:18 PM
Couldn't follow this match because of a meeting at work :sad: This time zone is really bad for me :sad: So probably a good thing that I'm going away for the weekend tomorrow, because I can't really follow it anyway :shrug: Glad he won easily enough - Soderling :unsure:

tmv
09-25-2008, 02:46 PM
He won easily but wasn't that great. First serve not working, many, many UE. Hope he play much better in the next rounds http://vasiljevict.users.sbb.co.yu/smilies/cheerleader.gif.

kalisita
09-25-2008, 03:23 PM
ORDER OF PLAY – FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 2008

CENTRE COURT start 12:00 noon

P Petzschner (GER)vs[4] G Monfils (FRA)
[8] J Melzer (AUT)vs [2] J Tsonga (FRA)
[3] T Berdych (CZE)vs N Mahut (FRA)

Not Before 7:00 PM

[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs [6] R Soderling (SWE)
J Benneteau (FRA) / N Mahut (FRA) vs M Safin (RUS) / M Zverev (GER)

Lee
09-25-2008, 03:31 PM
A bit scary vs Soderling but Nole probably fulfilled his obligation by winning a match there. :lol:

kalisita
09-25-2008, 05:43 PM
A bit scary vs Soderling but Nole probably fulfilled his obligation by winning a match there. :lol:

I actually hope he's taking the tournament seriously. It's his first indoor event and there are a few things he needs to work out before going into Madrid. Also, it's been quite a while since he's won a title and this is very winnable for him. Though, it could be more difficult than you'd think, since he has to go through Soderling and Berdych to get to the final. Both of those guys are capable of good results depending on the day and are both better indoors IMO. Then he could play Monfils or Tsonga in the final. It's a small event, but it has a very good field.

But, he doesn't seem to take non-major events too seriously anymore so who knows?

kalisita
09-26-2008, 01:43 PM
Novak d Soderling 6-4, 7-5

He served for the match at 5-3, got broken, held,and then broke Sod to win the match. But, overall, I thought he played a little better today than yesterday. He served at 71% today, with 9 aces so there was some improvement. But, Soderling kind of helped a lot by choking a little at key moments. So, let's hope for more improvement tomorrow.

Next up is Berdych, who seems to be playing very well for the first time in a long time at this tournament, but I haven't actually seen any of his matches. His opponents could all be playing badly, but Berdych tends to do well indoors.

Lee
09-26-2008, 01:56 PM
ORDER OF PLAY – SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2008

CENTRE COURT start 1 pm

[2] J Tsonga (FRA)vs[4] G Monfils (FRA)
[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs [3] T Berdych (CZE)


followed by 2 doubles matches

Lee
09-26-2008, 01:57 PM
I think this is the first time 4 top seeds are in the semifinal in Bangkok. The organisers should be very pleased.

kalisita
09-26-2008, 02:00 PM
ORDER OF PLAY – SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2008

CENTRE COURT start 1 pm

[2] J Tsonga (FRA)vs[4] G Monfils (FRA)
[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs [3] T Berdych (CZE)


followed by 2 doubles matches

That sucks. That's the middle of the night here. I liked when he played the night session since it was the morning here. :(

neznana
09-26-2008, 02:08 PM
Ajmo Nole!!!!!

*Raine
09-26-2008, 02:15 PM
That sucks. That's the middle of the night here. I liked when he played the night session since it was the morning here. :(

And the games for tomorrow will start at 2 pm here.. :D

:banana: I love our time zone in tournaments like these :banana:

star
09-26-2008, 03:00 PM
I think this is the first time 4 top seeds are in the semifinal in Bangkok. The organisers should be very pleased.

I was just thinking that the Bangkok crowd is getting to see some fine young talent. Good for them. I hope Djokovic wins the crown. :)

kalisita
09-26-2008, 03:26 PM
I think this is the first time 4 top seeds are in the semifinal in Bangkok. The organisers should be very pleased.

According to the ATP site, this is the second time it's happened. It happened in 2004 when Federer went on to win. (Keep in mind that the tournament started in 2003 so not a lot of history, but it still doesn't happen in many tournaments)

tangerine_dream
09-26-2008, 07:22 PM
Win this title, Novak.

Manon
09-26-2008, 08:28 PM
I was just thinking that the Bangkok crowd is getting to see some fine young talent. Good for them. I hope Djokovic wins the crown. :)

Wow, fellow, long time no see:) I've found your town, I know where you are:cool:

star
09-26-2008, 10:53 PM
Wow, fellow, long time no see:) I've found your town, I know where you are:cool:

:eek: I'll be careful then. :scared: :) :)

I only have time now to read on MTF, and not time to post very much. I always have a little dip in tennis interest following the USO too. I really dislike indoor tennis and the indoor European season is :zzz: For some reason, I've never cared about the year end tournament either -- probably because it's indoors usually. I liked it when Guga won in Portugal though. :yippee:

I want Djokovic to win as much as he can during the indoor season but, mostly I want him to get rid of his distractions :tape: focus on his tennis and work on his emotions during matches and tournaments. I see that as the last piece for him. He needs that emotional maturity to take the next big step. And of course, there's plenty of competition coming up behind him. It's a good time right now in tennis.

*Raine
09-27-2008, 07:25 AM
:banana: ESPN showed the semis between Jo and Gael. I like both but I like Jo more... I'm so happy he won :worship::D.

And now they're showing Novak vs Berdych :banana:

Go Novak :banana:

kalisita
09-27-2008, 07:43 AM
Nole has already faced 2 BPs and has not got a point on Berdych's serve. It's very early yet (it's only 1 all), but it looks like Nole may have caught Berdych in one of the rare tournaments he actually has his crap together. Nole will need to step up. He may have just been surprised by Berdych's response in that first game. I hate when he plays people he's never played before, especially when it occurs in a SF!

*Raine
09-27-2008, 07:51 AM
*whew* That was a better hold.

*Raine
09-27-2008, 08:24 AM
1st set goes to Novak 7-5 :D :banana:

kalisita
09-27-2008, 08:56 AM
Novak d Berdych 7-5, 6-1 :bigclap:

Nole started out a little bumpy, facing BPs in his first service game and not being able to get into Berdych's early service games, but he got better as the first set went on. My livestream died toward the end of the first, so I didn't see the end of it or any of the second. I don't know if he played much better in the 2nd or if Berdych played much worse. Hopefully, someone will have been able to watch and fill me in. :)

He'll play Tsonga in the final tomorrow. That could be a very interesting match.

*Raine
09-27-2008, 08:57 AM
:banana: Novak is now into the finals against JWT. :D :bigclap:

7-5, 6-1 against Berdych... I agree with what the commentators said that he was laboring early in the match.

kalisita: Novak stepped it up a bit in the 2nd set. Also, Berdych kind of fell apart in that set.

*Ljubica*
09-27-2008, 10:38 AM
Hi guys :wavey: I'm still in Monaco, so can't be here much and obviously couldn't follow the match - but just popped into the extortionately expensive Hotel Business Centre to check the scores. So congrats Nole :bounce: and good luck in the final tomorrow :)

tmv
09-27-2008, 11:13 AM
:wavey: Rose, wish you nice time in Monaco :hug:

Herdwick
09-27-2008, 11:41 AM
Greetings :wavey:

I didn't see the Monfils match but did see Nole's SF. I haven't seen any other matches this week but he was not over-convincing today.

Major butterflies about the Tsonga re-match tomorrow though - it's a no-win situation for him. If he wins there's little or no credit, if he loses the sky drops on him.

camnation
09-27-2008, 01:42 PM
Major butterflies about the Tsonga re-match tomorrow though - it's a no-win situation for him. If he wins there's little or no credit, if he loses the sky drops on him.
Very true. I can just sense the haters salivating prematurely for this. :unsure:

star
09-27-2008, 01:52 PM
Major butterflies about the Tsonga re-match tomorrow though - it's a no-win situation for him. If he wins there's little or no credit, if he loses the sky drops on him.

He's the favorite for sure. That comes with the territory of being the number 3 player. He'll face it all the time as the number one player, so he needs to get used to this feeling and dealing with it in order to fulfill his goals.

I don't think the sky will fall on him if he loses. He will be disappointed in himself if he doesn't play well.

I don't really know anything about Djokovic other than what I see on the tennis court and interviews and that isn't a very well rounded picture of him, I'm sure. But I have the feeling that he's having a difficult time finding his balance.

Anyway, I'll be sleeping while he plays Tsonga, so I hope I wake up to good news tomorrow!

Herdwick
09-27-2008, 01:55 PM
Hmm - but I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like JWT so a loss would be very bad.

And OT - what in heaven's name are you doing to that kitten?

kalisita
09-27-2008, 02:40 PM
Greetings :wavey:

I didn't see the Monfils match but did see Nole's SF. I haven't seen any other matches this week but he was not over-convincing today.

Major butterflies about the Tsonga re-match tomorrow though - it's a no-win situation for him. If he wins there's little or no credit, if he loses the sky drops on him.

This is how I feel as well. If he wins many here at least will say that the event is meaningless and may even make fun the title, but if he loses they'll come down on him for not being able to win the title.

I also think he needs to win tomorrow to boost his confidence, kind of get him to remember what it's like to win the whole shebang.

Regarding Tsonga, I don't really dislike him as much as I dislike the fuss about him, especially the Ali stuff. I realized that my dislike for him comes from my dislike of how the media/commentators talked about him. I know that's not fair to him, but I can't take all the Ali comparison stuff.

*Raine
09-27-2008, 03:01 PM
I really really like JWT, I'm so glad that he's back in a good form and that he's in the finals tomorrow. :worship:

But since Novak's my favorite player, I'll have to ignore Jo tomorrow and cheer for Novak. :lol:

Herdwick
09-27-2008, 03:13 PM
Certainly the Ali stuff sticks in my craw and yes that's really not his fault, although you can't wonder at him playing up to it, as in the kickboxing photos this week.

But I also blame him for tarnishing Nole's AO win this year. JWT went through the draw taking out 4 of my favourites - Murray, Youzhny, Richie and Rafa so was already in my bad books. Roger's mono took some of the gloss off Nole's win, which could have been mitigated somewhat had he beaten Rafa in the final, which I think he would have done. But I like Roger so forgive him.:D

*Abandons all attempt at rational thinking and declares open bias*
But I don't like Tsonga.

Running:Free
09-27-2008, 04:19 PM
Everyone :wavey:

kalista, :hatoff: to you for being up in the middle of the night and watching. Raine, thanks for the updates :hug: Rose, hope you're having a good time :hug:

Re: All the reasons he must win - For me, more than anything it's about Nole actually executing a win in the final, because that has been one department in train wreck for more than half a year. Keys to tomorrow will definitely be clinching the first set, and shutting Jo down. That means no walkabouts in the second, and focusing enough to serve it out. If not, with the way Jo's been serving, it's going to be a tough one. Which, by all means, he should view it as. All said and done, Ajde, deliver a beatdown :rocker2: :lol:

Herdwick - S'okay about not liking Jo :rolls:

Running:Free
09-27-2008, 04:55 PM
"I felt as if I woke up from a dream in the second set," Djokovic told reporters. "I felt sleepy in the first set. I also felt sleepy yesterday."

:aplot:

Let's just hope he's sleeping right now, can't afford that for tomorrow :p ;)

Lee
09-27-2008, 05:21 PM
I followed SB until 3-0 2nd set then was too tired to stay up. It's around 1:30am my time :lol: I had the feeling that Nole would break Berdych at 5-4 but didn't materialize but I still had faith and he finally broke at 6-5 to win the 1st set. :lol:

Herdwick
09-27-2008, 05:38 PM
Sleepy? :shrug: *Adds sleepiness to worryingly long list of ailments*
Why the hell is he sleepy?

Ok - don't answer that.:rolls:

But seriously he must win tomorrow's final. He really will start to lose credibility otherwise.

Manon
09-27-2008, 06:00 PM
Well, it's about time for title.

Wtg Novak!

Herdwick
09-27-2008, 09:30 PM
Quite a sad house here tonight, what with Paul N dying and Arsenal going down to Hull at home.

Still, must hope for better things tomorrow from Nole. On occasion today though he couldn't have hit a cow's arse with a banjo - bit like Arsenal come to think of it - so not frantically optimistic.

*Raine
09-27-2008, 11:41 PM
Everyone :wavey:

kalista, :hatoff: to you for being up in the middle of the night and watching. Raine, thanks for the updates :hug: Rose, hope you're having a good time :hug:

Re: All the reasons he must win - For me, more than anything it's about Nole actually executing a win in the final, because that has been one department in train wreck for more than half a year. Keys to tomorrow will definitely be clinching the first set, and shutting Jo down. That means no walkabouts in the second, and focusing enough to serve it out. If not, with the way Jo's been serving, it's going to be a tough one. Which, by all means, he should view it as. All said and done, Ajde, deliver a beatdown :rocker2: :lol:

Herdwick - S'okay about not liking Jo :rolls:

:hug:


"I felt as if I woke up from a dream in the second set," Djokovic told reporters. "I felt sleepy in the first set. I also felt sleepy yesterday."

:aplot:

Let's just hope he's sleeping right now, can't afford that for tomorrow :p ;)

:aplot: He was already sleepy? And I wasn't even there. :angel: :lol:

tangerine_dream
09-28-2008, 01:08 AM
Novak used the word "sleepy" so many times that I actually yawned. :yawn: :zzz:

I hope he can win tomorrow. Jo will want his revenge for AO. :scared:

Sorry if it's been posted before but I haven't read back through the messages: will there a livestream available online anywhere? Preferrably on Justin.tv as I am on a Mac. Thanks. :)

~Maya~
09-28-2008, 01:38 AM
Good luck against Tsonga Nole

Tangy, I only know of the one where you have to pay. Maybe there are some others. Did you try one of those betting sites?

kalisita
09-28-2008, 02:03 AM
Novak used the word "sleepy" so many times that I actually yawned. :yawn: :zzz:

I hope he can win tomorrow. Jo will want his revenge for AO. :scared:

Sorry if it's been posted before but I haven't read back through the messages: will there a livestream available online anywhere? Preferrably on Justin.tv as I am on a Mac. Thanks. :)

The betting sites, like bwin, bet365, betfair, have streams if you can use those sites.

Yesterday, http://www.justin.tv/touri and http://www.justin.tv/bogytv were broadcasting, so hopefully one of them will stream the final.
EDIT: bogytv is advertising it will stream the final.

There were also links here. http://www.maxnettv.tv/index.php

I just hope a good stream can be found (and that Nole wins :).)

redberyl
09-28-2008, 03:07 AM
Hi all,

you can try bet365 and betfair and see the livestream, but you have to register first.

http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp

http://www.betfair.com/

Hope you enjoy it. Ajde Nole.:)

ataptc
09-28-2008, 05:03 AM
Tsonga looks strong from what I've read, but Nole really needs to win this title! Hope he has enough sleep and is ready for today. Ajde!

*Raine
09-28-2008, 06:49 AM
Tsonga looks strong from what I've read, but Nole really needs to win this title! Hope he has enough sleep and is ready for today. Ajde!

Don't worry, I've been a good girl and made him rest. :angel:


:lol: :devil:

ataptc
09-28-2008, 08:00 AM
That's good. Thank you :rolls:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 08:08 AM
That's good. Thank you :rolls:

:lol:


:banana: They're warming up :banana:

With "Funky Town" as the background music :rolls:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 08:23 AM
Break :bounce:

:sad: Crowd very pro-Tsonga though

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:23 AM
Hold on to that serve now, baby :hug:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 08:23 AM
Novak (and Jo) are both pumped up.. Woohoo 2-1 in the 1st set.

I'll go and focus more on the tv now. :angel:

*Ljubica*
09-28-2008, 08:26 AM
Morning :wavey: I must be the only person who goes away for the weekend, and ends up spending Sunday morning watching a bloody tennis livestream because Nole's in a Final :o This Hotel hires out keyboards that you can use to link to the Net via your room TV - all very technical :) It isn't the greatest quality and it costs the earth, but Alex said he would rather pay than have me in a bad mood all day because I couldn't watch Nole :tape: And at least I can stay in bed to watch it. So I will get to see the start if not all of it, and I may not be able to be here all the time, - but he better damn well win now. :devil:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 08:30 AM
:wavey: Morning dear - how's Monte?

Looking worth the money so far....this is a bigger one for me than I would wish.:devil:

Never travel without your laptop though.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:35 AM
What, trainer?

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Trainer!

He's hit himself in the face!:awww:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Poor cut :sad:

I'll kiss it Nole if you want. :lol:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:37 AM
Trainer!

He's hit himself in the face!:awww:

What? How? Nole :sobbing: :lol: :shrug:

*Ljubica*
09-28-2008, 08:37 AM
:wavey: Morning dear - how's Monte?

Looking worth the money so far....this is a bigger one for me than I would wish.:devil:

Never travel without your laptop though.

Didn't think we'd need it for three days - didn't expect him to get that far. At least good old Balkan TV lets Alex listen to his own language while he's still half asleep. Oh - and Monte is lovely thanks - went to the Casino last night - didn't win a fortune though :sad:

Oh my - has Nole hit himself on the head with a racquet like Youzhny did? :tape: Ouch!!! He was playing well til that point - better not f*** it up now.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:44 AM
Hit himself in the thigh with the racket repeatedly after going up 30-30 :o

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 08:46 AM
My dislike is intensifying...

*Ljubica*
09-28-2008, 08:48 AM
I have this nasty feeling that Nole has done well all week because I haven't seen any of his matches - and now I'm watching I've probably jinxed him or something :sad: If he loses the 1st set I may have to turn it off and hope his luck reverses back :lol:

And Herdwick - I do understand. I don't dislike Tsonga, but his stupid antics begin to piss me off too.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:48 AM
Nole needs to finish points off faster, grinding at the baseline consistently, while Jo volleys and slices. He's made this harder than it could've been. Focus, c'mon.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 08:50 AM
My dislike is intensifying...

:lol:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 08:52 AM
Good boy - stop the rot.

Now don't you dare let this swaggering upstart win...

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:53 AM
Love hold, right after I berate him :o :lol: Rose, I'll have to join you in turning it off, if 'not-watching-all-week-jinxing-now' is the criteria :p

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 08:54 AM
Good boy - stop the rot.

Now don't you dare let this swaggering upstart win...

:rolls:

This 30-30 has "CHANCE!" written all over it.

Scratch that :mad:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:00 AM
TB

Nole - this guy is beatable!

*Ljubica*
09-28-2008, 09:02 AM
Tie break, 2 mini breaks against Nole :rolleyes: I think I'm off for breakfast. F*** off Tsonga :spit: Later :kiss: Ajde Nole.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:04 AM
3-3. Keep it together, c'mon.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:05 AM
Hang in there Nole :lol:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:07 AM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:09 AM
Pretty disgusted.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:11 AM
I like how close the first set was :lol: (whispers to self -"Raine.. stop being a traitor and root only for Nole" :lol:)

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:12 AM
This sucks! :sad: He finally started well for the first time all week. And then, he hit himself in the head and lost that focus. He's kind of went back into that up,down play he's in lately.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:12 AM
This really would be a dreadful loss. :bigcry:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:13 AM
*sends positive vibe to all* He can still do it you guys...:angel:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:15 AM
Seriously, if he doesn't win matches like this he will not even be able to hold on the number 3 slot, let alone go any higher. :banghead:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:16 AM
BP. TAKE IT, child. And then hold onto it.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:21 AM
great pick up by Jo on that drop shot :lol:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:22 AM
WTF!!!!

Ye gods....watching Nole is a nightmare recently.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:23 AM
40-0 to Deuce. :sad:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:24 AM
Spectacular game, until the biggest brain cramp and bad volley.

Jo just bazooka's off the return :sobbing:

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:25 AM
WTF!!!!

Ye gods....watching Nole is a nightmare recently.

I know. I was thinking that that first set was the perfect way to describe his year. He started out great/focused, preceded to hit himself in the head, and then it's just been all over the place.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:25 AM
On my 3rd espresso of the morning...

Don't have to suffer like this watching Rafa.

True - nice metaphor, K...

ataptc
09-28-2008, 09:25 AM
Just saw that he lost the first set :smash:

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:26 AM
Spectacular game, until the biggest brain cramp and bad volley.

Jo just bazooka's off the return :sobbing:

Yeah, it's like he just can not maintain focus anymore.

And it's not even like Tsonga is playing all that great for the entire match.

*Ljubica*
09-28-2008, 09:27 AM
Just popped back to say :wavey: again, and please don't be mean to Nole :awww: He's still just a kid - he's really feeling the pressure right now on court and off. Maybe he actually needs to slip down a few places in the rankings to give him the impetus to climb back up again :shrug: Maybe he's just mentally not ready to be the one they all want to beat at the moment? Just give him time and space and support him more now he needs it most. Later :wavey:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:29 AM
He should've taken his chance at 30-30 on Jo's serve. Good Lord. I need something to drink, and it's only 5.30.

Nice FH. C'mon.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:30 AM
Just popped back to say :wavey: again, and please don't be mean to Nole :awww: He's still just a kid - he's really feeling the pressure right now on court and off. Maybe he actually needs to slip down a few places in the rankings to give him the impetus to climb back up again :shrug: Maybe he's just mentally not ready to be the one they all want to beat at the moment? Just give him time and space and support him more now he needs it most. Later :wavey:

Very nice words, but probably best suited to after the match. Hard to do that during I'm afraid.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:31 AM
We're not actually being mean - still love him to bits. Just can't stand the suffering and it has to come out somewhere!

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:34 AM
:rocker2:Come on Nole....

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:36 AM
Just popped back to say :wavey: again, and please don't be mean to Nole :awww: He's still just a kid - he's really feeling the pressure right now on court and off. Maybe he actually needs to slip down a few places in the rankings to give him the impetus to climb back up again :shrug: Maybe he's just mentally not ready to be the one they all want to beat at the moment? Just give him time and space and support him more now he needs it most. Later :wavey:

Rose, don't think we all mean to be harsh on him, but you must understand that it is not easy to see him give away a lead like that and be a set down :shrug: He needs to slip down the rankings to find some space? This is the moment, he should buckle up right now and hang in there, is what he needs to do. This doesn't have to be about the bigger picture, he's making it too hard. Just this match, take one step at a time, focus in on right now.

Good for him, finish off the damn point! :armed: Ajde.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:39 AM
:banana: :banana:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:43 AM
Oh no..

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:44 AM
What a crappy point to give Tsonga BP.

This match reminds of something that Tignor on Tennis.com wrote recently: he seems to be playing to both win and lose.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:44 AM
That point is exactly what worries me - he is no longer court smart. That lifted his game last year and got him to where he is. That ability to analyse and select the right shot has just left him.

Now will Tsonga's nerve hold?

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:45 AM
Oh, what a crappy way to start the day. Can't believe I got up to watch this. :sad:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:46 AM
This match reminds of something that Tignor on Tennis.com wrote recently: he seems to be playing to both win and lose.

Trying to loose without actually tanking? Yep. Sigh.

Even my sighs do not seem enough :awww:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:47 AM
Argh!!!

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:47 AM
That point is exactly what worries me - he is no longer court smart. That lifted his game last year and got him to where he is. That ability to analyse and select the right shot has just left him.

Yeah, he gets too nervous now it seems. It makes him tentative and somewhat dumb. It used to make him focused and just tight. It's like, I'm not at all surprised this happened. I half expected it.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:48 AM
Break him Novak....

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:51 AM
Poor Jelena - god knows how she feels...

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:51 AM
That right there is what I'm talking about. He had that point won, that BP won, and completely screwed it up. WTF? When will this crap stop? :mad:

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:52 AM
I am so nervous

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 09:52 AM
Worst BP he's ever played. And I'm thinking way back.

Another one wasted.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:52 AM
That right there is what I'm talking about. He had that point won, that BP won, and completely screwed it up. WTF? When will this crap stop? :mad:

Quite :banghead:

Right - day ruined.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:55 AM
Sad for Nole (:sad:) and happy for Jo (:banana:) at the same time.

Lee
09-28-2008, 09:56 AM
Don't know why I stay up to watch the SB, absolute torture. Had the feeling that he'd lose and he did.

It's a big puzzle to me how someone who's so mentally strong less than a year ago turns to such a headcase. :shrug:

kalisita
09-28-2008, 09:56 AM
Another crappy point to end it, though more pressure from Tsonga that time. Well, the better player def won, I'm just getting tired of saying that when the other player didn't play spectacularly well. :mad::sad:


This was definitely his title to lose and I guess he didn't want it. :o

*Raine
09-28-2008, 09:59 AM
:hug:to all.

I'm disappointed that Novak didn't win of course but I can't help but also feel happy for the other player I love which is Jo.. ;).

:rocker2:Nole will come back guys.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 09:59 AM
Don't know why I stay up to watch the SB, absolute torture. Had the feeling that he'd lose and he did.

It's a big puzzle to me how someone who's so mentally strong less than a year ago turns to such a headcase. :shrug:

Yep too bloody true. Have to say I totally expected this but it doesn't make it easier to handle.

He wasn't even out-played - he literally gave that away.

Am feeling fairly murderous right now. :mad: :banghead:

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:01 AM
Don't know why I stay up to watch the SB, absolute torture. Had the feeling that he'd lose and he did.

It's a big puzzle to me how someone who's so mentally strong less than a year ago turns to such a headcase. :shrug:

Everyone here wants to know the answer. I had high hopes for this match, but I also felt deep down that he wouldn't win. It's like he can't anymore.

Oh, well. On to Madrid. Please don't let it be a nightmare. :scared:

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 10:02 AM
GM: Nole ran off after the match :haha: I think he likes this place just because of all the people screaming for him :shrug:

Must be gathering a lot of those runner-up plates. Oh, Nole.

Lee
09-28-2008, 10:02 AM
I was soooo hoping for the "Jelena curse" to end with her being there at the beginning of the tournament. :tape:

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:05 AM
Yep too bloody true. Have to say I totally expected this but it doesn't make it easier to handle.

He wasn't even out-played - he literally gave that away.

Am feeling fairly murderous right now. :mad: :banghead:

That's what is really awful about it. It would suck if he lost no matter what, but at least make them earn it. There is some consolation in feeling as though the player your supporting did the best he could and lost. But, Novak is capable of so much more than today.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:07 AM
It looks like Nole and Tsonga got the same trophy. I feel bad for Tsonga. It kind of looked like he has a little "WTF?" moment when he noticied, but he's just so happy to win his first title it passed quickly. :lol:

*Ljubica*
09-28-2008, 10:08 AM
OK - well - I know lots of people don't like me being so calm about stuff like this - but - hey - so he lost. It's not the end of the world. Just a Mickey Mouse tournament that none of us even wanted him to play in this time last week, and now people are pissed off because he didn't win it :shrug: So let's look at the positives - he got to the final when many thought he would tank in the 1st round - he beat Soderling and Berdych on their favourite surfaces, got some match practice, earned some money, spent some time with Jelena and his brother - why be so negative? Tsonga played well - I'm not a fan, but he deserved to win - no shame in losing to the better player on the day.

I know as a fan of people like Tursunov and Tipsarevic, I am used to watching failure :o I never really even supported a player who got to Masters' and Slam finals until I "discovered" Nole, so still having interest on the final Sunday is a bonus for me, and I'm not going to let it ruin my Sunday in sunny Monte Carlo :)

Yes GM and certain other places here will be full of vitriol and hatred - but so what :shrug: Those bitter little haters don't scare me - basically I just totally despise them, and I have better things to do with my time than read their cr*p. I believe in Nole and support him no matter what - and my support won't waiver because he loses a few matches - so what - he lost - he's just 21 years old - he has, hopefully, at least 7 or 8 years ahead of him to win things, and if he doesn't well, he's still a human being, and as long as h e is happy within himself that's all I care about. He has aready achieved more than many 10 years older than him, - no one can take that away - so f*** the haters :angel:

Please have a nice Sunday all, and try not to let this ruin your day :hug:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 10:11 AM
Never watch the ceremony when Nole loses a final http://img2.menstennisforums.com/753/smileys38.gif

Stop being so bloody reasonable - allow us time to vent and steam!:hysteric: :crying2:

JWT was not even the better player today - they were pretty even. Last year's Nole would have had that match in the bag. Agree the tournament itself matters not a jot but it is still a poor loss. The gap between Nole and R&R is widening by the day. Murray and JMDP must be licking their lips.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 10:12 AM
I was soooo hoping for the "Jelena curse" to end with her being there at the beginning of the tournament. :tape:

Hmmmm, was thinking the same. Atleast she'll be there to console him.

You know with all this, what happened talk, I tell myself that Nole just needs rest, he needs to go back home and take time off. Now, it seems more like I'm deluding myself. The bleeding has been getting worse, and I don't know what it is that's causing it or can stop it. Some days, it's just so tough to be a fan.

It's 6, and I don't even feel like going back to bed anymore.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 10:14 AM
Yep too bloody true. Have to say I totally expected this but it doesn't make it easier to handle.

He wasn't even out-played - he literally gave that away.

Am feeling fairly murderous right now. :mad: :banghead:

*Hides JWT from Herdwick*

Run Tsonga run!!!!

It looks like Nole and Tsonga got the same trophy. I feel bad for Tsonga. It kind of looked like he has a little "WTF?" moment when he noticied, but he's just so happy to win his first title it passed quickly. :lol:

I thought the other bigger trophy was also Tsonga's? :confused:

But it was really funny when he noticed that they both had the same trophy :lol:



Rose and everyone :hug:

I am really happy in Novak's run here in Thailand Open.... even if he didn't win the finals. Because I believe there are more opportunities in the future :D. And as I've said already, I'm really happy for Jo too.

Novak's speech was so cute.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:17 AM
OK - well - I know lots of people don't like me being so calm about stuff like this - but - hey - so he lost. It's not the end of the world. Just a Mickey Mouse tournament that none of us even wanted him to play in this time last week, and now people are pissed off because he didn't win it :shrug: So let's look at the positives - he got to the final when many thought he would tank in the 1st round - he beat Soderling and Berdych on their favourite surfaces, got some match practice, earned some money, spent some time with Jelena and his brother - why be so negative? Tsonga played well - I'm not a fan, but he deserved to win - no shame in losing to the better player on the day.

I know as a fan of people like Tursunov and Tipsarevic, I am used to watching failure :o I never really even supported a player who got to Masters' and Slam finals until I "discovered" Nole, so still having interest on the final Sunday is a bonus for me, and I'm not going to let it ruin my Sunday in sunny Monte Carlo :)

Yes GM and certain other places here will be full of vitriol and hatred - but so what :shrug: Those bitter little haters don't scare me - basically I just totally despise them, and I have better things to do with my time than read their cr*p. I believe in Nole and support him no matter what - and my support won't waiver because he loses a few matches - so what - he lost - he's just 21 years old - he has, hopefully, at least 7 or 8 years ahead of him to win things, and if he doesn't well, he's still a human being, and as long as h e is happy within himself that's all I care about. He has aready achieved more than many 10 years older than him, - no one can take that away - so f*** the haters :angel:

Please have a nice Sunday all, and try not to let this ruin your day :hug:

I don't know. At first I thought he was going to kind of blow this tournament off, but I think he came here to win it. It's been a long time without a title to the point where any one would be a boost. But, I won't let it ruin my day and I still have high hopes for Nole. :)

About GM, it's not as vitriolic as it used to be. At first, I thought that was good, like maybe many were starting to calm down and get some perspective. But, now I think many people don't even think it's worth the time to hate him. That makes me strangely sad.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:19 AM
I thought the other bigger trophy was also Tsonga's? :confused:

But it was really funny when he noticed that they both had the same trophy :lol:

Maybe. I didn't even notice a bigger trophy, but I don't watch the ceremonies as closely when he doesn't win. I just saw them standing by each other holding the same plate and thought that was it.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 10:21 AM
Don't worry - my murderous instincts are not directed at JWT :devil: and disappear anyway after about 12 and a half minutes!

I can't like the man but acknowledge his talent and all credit to him for winning his first tournament and being mentally tougher than Gasquetvic.

Lee
09-28-2008, 10:26 AM
Never watch the ceremony when Nole loses a final http://img2.menstennisforums.com/753/smileys38.gif

Stop being so bloody reasonable - allow us time to vent and steam!:hysteric: :crying2:

JWT was not even the better player today - they were pretty even. Last year's Nole would have had that match in the bag. Agree the tournament itself matters not a jot but it is still a poor loss. The gap between Nole and R&R is widening by the day. Murray and JMDP must be licking their lips.

All of Nole's fans should be able to vent and steam in this forum :hug:

I questioned Nole's performance and not so happy with his lost has nothing to do with what's happening in GM. I hardly read GM these days and I care nothing about his haters or posters who don't like him.

I am not happy with his lost is more because he can do better and should do better. And my support for him is not equated to how many titles/matches he won. I like many headcase players so I have no problem in dealing with idiotic lost but I don't believe (and don't want) Nole to be one of those.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 10:27 AM
Just a Mickey Mouse tournament that none of us even wanted him to play in this time last week, and now people are pissed off because he didn't win it :shrug:

Like I said in the match-thread, this one isn't so hard, because there certainly have been bigger and tougher :shrug: I don't think anyone here is per say pissed off (except maybe Herdwick :unsure: :p :hug: j/k), but just in a state of 'confused WTF?' Maybe it's because it's a MM tourney, but like I said yesterday, to me, the most important thing here was to execute a W in the final (given that he made it), something he has been regularly faltering at. It didn't happen, and I'm just, like I said, confused and lost.

Agree with everything else. Have a ball in MC :hug: Milk it for all it's worth :p

And JWT was definitely beatable today.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 10:30 AM
Spot on Lee. Couldn't give a flying f*** about GM but I do care very much when Nole lets himself down like that.

And it stings because everyone can see he knows it too but seems powerless to deal with it.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:32 AM
Like I said in the match-thread, this one isn't so hard, because there certainly have been bigger and tougher :shrug: I don't think anyone here is per say pissed off (except maybe Herdwick :unsure: :p :hug: j/k), but just in a state of 'confused WTF?' Maybe it's because it's a MM tourney, but like I said yesterday, to me, the most important thing here was to execute a W in the final (given that he made it), something he has been regularly faltering at. It didn't happen, and I'm just, like I said, confused and lost.

Agree with everything else. Have a ball in MC :hug: Milk it for all it's worth :p

And JWT was definitely beatable today.

Good points. I don't think many of us here are that upset, maybe because it is a smaller tournament, but I also think because many of us kind of expected this to happen. Especially, him playing so up/down, WTF are you doing lately. But, I'll also say, that if you're the #3 player and make it to the final of a MM you really need to win it. Especially against a player who, like you said, was beatable.

Lee
09-28-2008, 10:35 AM
Good points. I don't think many of us here are that upset, maybe because it is a smaller tournament, but I also think because many of us kind of expected this to happen. Especially, him playing so up/down, WTF are you doing lately. But, I'll also say, that if you're the #3 player and make it to the final of a MM you really need to win it. Especially against a player who, like you said, was beatable.

The way he's playing, I don't know how long he can hang on to his #3 ranking.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:37 AM
Spot on Lee. Couldn't give a flying f*** about GM but I do care very much when Nole lets himself down like that.

And it stings because everyone can see he knows it too but seems powerless to deal with it.

Yeah. I keep expecting him to figure it out and turn it around. After ever weird loss, I go, "Now he's going to get it together. Next time he'll be back to his old self." I don't think it's going to happen this year, but who knows? Only 3 tournaments left and I just hope he puts up respectable results at them at the very least. And I hope that when the season ends he can really work this out and start next year in a better frame of mind.

*Raine
09-28-2008, 10:41 AM
Don't worry - my murderous instincts are not directed at JWT :devil: and disappear anyway after about 12 and a half minutes!

I can't like the man but acknowledge his talent and all credit to him for winning his first tournament and being mentally tougher than Gasquetvic.

*whew*

*whispers to JWT.. "Ok you can come out now, Herdwick won't hurt you*

:lol:



Maybe. I didn't even notice a bigger trophy, but I don't watch the ceremonies as closely when he doesn't win. I just saw them standing by each other holding the same plate and thought that was it.

There's a bigger trophy :D.

Were you able to see Novak's speech? He was so cute. :)

kalisita
09-28-2008, 10:43 AM
There's a bigger trophy :D.

Were you able to see Novak's speech? He was so cute. :)

Yes I did. But then I stopped listening and just saw them side by side with their plates.

And Nole is always gracious in defeat. I like that about him very much. :) I also liked when he went over the net to hug Tsonga. (I like when people step over the net in general. I always think "Look at that!" even though I know it's not that difficult. I guess it just doesn't happen that often.)

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 10:49 AM
Yeah. I keep expecting him to figure it out and turn it around. After ever weird loss, I go, "Now he's going to get it together. Next time he'll be back to his old self." I don't think it's going to happen this year, but who knows? Only 3 tournaments left and I just hope he puts up respectable results at them at the very least. And I hope that when the season ends he can really work this out and start next year in a better frame of mind.

I tell myself that Nole just needs rest, he needs to go back home and take time off. Now, it seems more like I'm deluding myself.

Exactly how I feel. Trouble is, he defends AO :shrug: The off-season better do him a whole lot of good. And respectable results for the rest of the year are all I can ask for, if anything :lol:

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 10:53 AM
Frankly, am beginning to think he's a bit too gracious in defeat. The criticism this year has hit home but it's taken the edge off him, hence the passivity on big points.

What's that saying - the key to failure is to try to please everyone?

*Raine
09-28-2008, 11:03 AM
Yes I did. But then I stopped listening and just saw them side by side with their plates.

And Nole is always gracious in defeat. I like that about him very much. :) I also liked when he went over the net to hug Tsonga. (I like when people step over the net in general. I always think "Look at that!" even though I know it's not that difficult. I guess it just doesn't happen that often.)

That's what I like about him very much too.

The hug was very heartwarming :).

kalisita
09-28-2008, 11:04 AM
Frankly, am beginning to think he's a bit too gracious in defeat. The criticism this year has hit home but it's taken the edge off him, hence the passivity on big points.

What's that saying - the key to failure is to try to please everyone?

Well, he's gracious the moment he's defeated. He doesn't play graciously when losing generally. He tends to do that whiny, frustrated thing of his. But, I do think you're right about the criticism getting to him. I wish he would just say "Screw you". Respond to it all the time the way he did in the Roddick match. Many people compare him to Jimmy Connors. And while I don't think that's spot on, there are similarities. Right or wrong, I did respect Connors for not caring about what others thought. He played his game, his way. Nole should do that as well, but I think he wants to be admired and liked too much. He wants to be like Sampras (like Federer) but he's too emotional to be like that all the time. I hope he finds some kind of balance in the future.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 12:02 PM
"I couldn't do it today, I lost to a great player," said Djokovic, who stands 10-6 in career finals after failing in a bid to claim his fourth trophy of this season."

I am inclined to say, utter :bs:

kalisita
09-28-2008, 12:15 PM
"I couldn't do it today, I lost to a great player," said Djokovic, who stands 10-6 in career finals after failing in a bid to claim his fourth trophy of this season."

I am inclined to say, utter :bs:

What's real bad about that stat is that he's 3-3 this year in finals. He was 5-2 last year. He's getting worse instead of better. :sad: Especially when you consider that the three losses have been the last 3 finals he's been in.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 12:15 PM
Agree - who's he trying to convince? Hope he was just being polite but am worried.

And at the back of my mind there is also that bloody expensive tennis centre in Serbia which he is expected to fund from his winnings. That is a whopping commitment which at this rate will be weighing heavy round his neck.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 12:21 PM
Agree - who's he trying to convince? Hope he was just being polite but am worried.

And at the back of my mind there is also that bloody expensive tennis centre in Serbia which he is expected to fund from his winnings. That is a whopping commitment which at this rate will be weighing heavy round his neck.

I know that he wants to help his country, which is a great thing, but, the timing was bad IMO. Things like that generally wait until the later stages if not the end of a carear. It is a lot to deal with while you're trying to establish yourself. I know he probably doesn't have a lot to do with it personally, but it is being done in his name. Things like that can get very murky.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Commendable - well I suppose so but absolutely wrong timing. The money for it must surely have been borrowed against the security of his potential future earnings.

And no one else in the family seems to do any obvious work. I guess the parents have kept the restaurant on and get someone else to run it but I read the estimated cost of the NTC was 6M+ Euros, so a small provincial pizza restaurant isn't going to help much there.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 12:35 PM
Commendable - well I suppose so but absolutely wrong timing. The money for it must surely have been borrowed against the security of his potential future earnings.

And no one else in the family seems to do any obvious work. I guess the parents have kept the restaurant on and get someone else to run it but I read the estimated cost of the NTC was 6M+ Euros, so a small provincial pizza restaurant isn't going to help much there.

It is always very weird when kids support the family. It's very common, though, among athletes, especially the ones that don't start out with much. And I don't think the parents are automatically bad people because of it, because they generally have the best intentions. It just upsets the natural order of things and creates weird dynamics in families.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 12:46 PM
Not really judging them on the lack of obvious gainful employment; I appreciate they sacrificed a lot to get him where he is now so there's no harm in it being payback time.

But the hard fact is, that, if his earnings are pretty much the sole source of income for the entire family, plus they've also borrowed heavily to pay for grandiose projects against the promise of his future success, it heaps the pressure still further on him. What happens if/when he has a lean year?

Also, in terms of possible off-court earnings, he is handicapped by coming from a country as small and relatively poor as Serbia. Murray's or Tsonga's potential income from endorsements will be far greater; simple demographics dictate that.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 12:57 PM
Not really judging them on the lack of obvious gainful employment; I appreciate they sacrificed a lot to get him where he is now so there's no harm in it being payback time.

But the hard fact is, that, if his earnings are pretty much the sole source of income for the entire family, plus they've also borrowed heavily to pay for grandiose projects against the promise of his future success, it heaps the pressure still further on him. What happens if/when he has a lean year?

Also, in terms of possible off-court earnings, he is handicapped by coming from a country as small and relatively poor as Serbia. Murray's or Tsonga's potential income from endorsements will be far greater; simple demographics dictate that.

There were a couple articles recently talking about how much Murray and the LTA could make because of his recent rise. I can't remember what those amounts were, but they were huge. And that's mostly because he's British. He's a good player, yes, but more importantly he's their player. It's like in the US, Roddick is tennis to most casual fans and he makes a ton because of that. Nole can't compete with that since Serbia can't. That's why how he's perceived is so important, more important for people like Roddick or Murray, because he needs to be seen as marketable to the world and not just his country if he wants to make comparable endorsement money to the Roddicks and Murrays. That's why what happened in NY with Roddick was so unfortunate IMO.

Herdwick
09-28-2008, 01:19 PM
Well it's certainly doubtful right now that he is going to be able to produce a consistent string of victories and challenge for the top spot. But it looks equally unlikely that he will become the charismatic popular 'face' of world tennis, in which case his results, providing they were enough to keep him in the top 10, would be almost secondary.

Oh dear - this is turning into a rather depressing thread.

Perhaps we should discuss the federal reserve instead...

jchuabh
09-28-2008, 02:47 PM
What's particularly galling is that he's letting all these other guys achieve their seminal moments at his expense - Nadal's first title on grass, Murray's first Masters and now Tsonga's first ATP trophy. He's turning into the Kuznetsova of the men's tour right before our eyes.

He probably needs a new coach - one who'll tell him in no uncertain terms that he's got younger guys hot on his heels, so even though he's "only" 21, he doesn't have a huge window of opportunity to reach #1 and stay there for a decent length of time.

The only consolation: Nadal did go for something like 8 - 10 months without a title and losing every final he entered, before his glorious streak of late.

~Maya~
09-28-2008, 02:48 PM
I couldn't stay up for the match. I had a bad feeling about this one anyway. At least people say that the match was good.

~Maya~
09-28-2008, 02:54 PM
What's particularly galling is that he's letting all these other guys achieve their seminal moments at his expense - Nadal's first title on grass, Murray's first Masters and now Tsonga's first ATP trophy. He's turning into the Kuznetsova of the men's tour right before our eyes.

He probably needs a new coach - one who'll tell him in no uncertain terms that he's got younger guys hot on his heels, so even though he's "only" 21, he doesn't have a huge window of opportunity to reach #1 and stay there for a decent length of time.

The only consolation: Nadal did go for something like 8 - 10 months without a title and losing every final he entered, before his glorious streak of late.

I think that the problem is in Novak and not his coach. Personally I am not bothered by him not winning many titles as long as he goes deep and stays consistent. Things are going to get better. If not this year than the next.

kalisita
09-28-2008, 03:07 PM
What's particularly galling is that he's letting all these other guys achieve their seminal moments at his expense - Nadal's first title on grass, Murray's first Masters and now Tsonga's first ATP trophy. He's turning into the Kuznetsova of the men's tour right before our eyes.
He probably needs a new coach - one who'll tell him in no uncertain terms that he's got younger guys hot on his heels, so even though he's "only" 21, he doesn't have a huge window of opportunity to reach #1 and stay there for a decent length of time.

The only consolation: Nadal did go for something like 8 - 10 months without a title and losing every final he entered, before his glorious streak of late.

My God. I was watching JJ and Kuzy's match and that exact thought entered my mind! (Though I don't think it's that bad yet.)

I also was thinkin about how JJ was the "other" Serb when ever people talked about the 3 of them. She was kind of the afterthought, like yeah she's good, but not that good, she's where she is only because she plays so much, etc. And now she's the one who's putting up results. It's like at the beginning of the year it was all Nole and Ana. And in the second half, Ana's gone completely off the rails and Nole's struggling somewhat. JJ's kind of had a little breakout.

jchuabh
09-28-2008, 04:02 PM
<My God. I was watching JJ and Kuzy's match and that exact thought entered my mind! (Though I don't think it's that bad yet.)

I also was thinkin about how JJ was the "other" Serb when ever people talked about the 3 of them. She was kind of the afterthought, like yeah she's good, but not that good, she's where she is only because she plays so much, etc. And now she's the one who's putting up results. It's like at the beginning of the year it was all Nole and Ana. And in the second half, Ana's gone completely off the rails and Nole's struggling somewhat. JJ's kind of had a little breakout.>

In terms of majors results, JJ is not even where Nole was this time last year, her US final appearance notwithstanding. But at least she's got a legitimate excuse - her appalling serve. Fact is, our boy serves brilliantly most of the time and has arguably the best return game among the men. He's got the complete toolkit, and so the only conclusion is that it's all mental.

For what it's worth, I think he's outgrown his coach. His tiebreak record alone this year should tell us that he's not just stagnating, but seriously backsliding. Short of a psychiatrist, his coach is the only one who can and should help him redress this newly acquired tendency to brainfart. Plus, the on-court petulance really has to go, and it looks like Marian doesn't have the testicular fortitude to tell him so to any discernible effect. There's no lack of top-notch coaches out there capable of knocking some much needed sense into Nole.

Manon
09-28-2008, 07:14 PM
I couldn't stay up for the match. I had a bad feeling about this one anyway. At least people say that the match was good.

This was the worst Novak, match was so average, everything depended on Novak, he didn't manage, he got wound (racket on arcade), distraced after this...

Awfull, scary awfull tennis from both and, I'll repeat myself, one of the worst finals this year, final to oblivion. Novak despererate with no single excuse.
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We all here love Novak but it's so fanboyish/girlish searching for excuses. Out of mental form. Decko je duboko u bunaru.

The way he's playing, I don't know how long he can hang on to his #3 ranking.

True.

Running:Free
09-28-2008, 07:31 PM
I couldn't stay up for the match. I had a bad feeling about this one anyway. At least people say that the match was good.

:shrug: The true answer would be no. Both were pretty average, some hard and clean hitting, a few nice winner/S&V, here and there. Nothing spectacular. Like Misha says, one to forget.

Re: Marian - He knows Nole's game well, they are comfortable, get along well, make a good team. Yes, sometimes I feel like he's too laid-back, but what do I know from impressions, or watching Nole translate a game-plan on court? At the end of the day, Marian can strategize and work with him all he wants, but we can't tell how much of it Nole is executing. I'm pretty sure they'll be working on some specific aspects during the off-season, just like they did last year. The last thing he needs right now is to change the people around him, and I'm sure Marian is a great help :hug:

tangerine_dream
09-28-2008, 08:13 PM
Noley fans :hug: Tough loss for him, even if it is "only" Bangkok. As one of the Big Three players this was a title he should have had in the bag. I agree with those of you saying that he is pressing too hard. He's not playing freely, he's playing with tension and fear of losing. He trembles on the big points now. I hope this is just a typical career hiccup that many players get and that next year will be different. He hasn't been the same player since the spring European clay season.

Is there a video anywhere of the trophy ceremony and Novak's speech?

About GM, it's not as vitriolic as it used to be. At first, I thought that was good, like maybe many were starting to calm down and get some perspective. But, now I think many people don't even think it's worth the time to hate him. That makes me strangely sad.
:lol: I can understand that.


What's particularly galling is that he's letting all these other guys achieve their seminal moments at his expense - Nadal's first title on grass, Murray's first Masters and now Tsonga's first ATP trophy. He's turning into the Kuznetsova of the men's tour right before our eyes
What a horrid thought. :banghead:

Frankly, am beginning to think he's a bit too gracious in defeat. The criticism this year has hit home but it's taken the edge off him, hence the passivity on big points. What's that saying - the key to failure is to try to please everyone?
That's an interesting and viable theory. He cares too much about being liked and what people think of him, and I think the criticism he's been getting all year has worn him down. He should adopt a Hewitt-like attitude and embrace his inner assNole. :devil:

Strange theory but it might work, perhaps if Nole were to lose the number three ranking then some of the pressure would be off and he would go back into "hunting" mode? To reclaim number three would be doable. Trying to knock Rafa and Roger off number one and two is near impossible right now. They are the glass ceiling.

*Ljubica*
09-29-2008, 09:26 AM
Morning:wavey: Well I know I'm late to reply to some of these points as I wasn't around last night - but just to reply to a few.

Timmy - I totally agree about staying with Marjan. They seem good friends on and off court and have a close relationship, and Nole certainly doesn't need anymore change or disruption in his life right now, so I think they should stick together. In my view, Marjan is good for Nole exactly because he is so laid-back and quiet, - when you have a dominant Father like Srdjan, you probably need a gentle "Father figure" type older man around who is the polar oppositie of him. So I vote for Marjan to stay :)

t_d, - there is a clip of the prize ceremony and Nole's speech on his official website - on the front page http://www.novakdjokovic.rs/bob.php?Lang=EN Because it is taken from Serbian TV, the commentator is talking over Nole to translate for the TV viewers, but you can still see him and hear what he has to say in English. And I agree with you, that in some way he probably does need to slip down a bit to where there is less expectation on him, and he can they become the "hunter" again and start working his way back up. I know I've mentioned this before, but Sampras won his first Grand Slam early in his career, and then had a lean year or so while he found his place in the tennis heirachy and adjusted to his new position - Nole is maybe the same.

Maja - I disagree with some of the others here, - I actually enjoyed the match. J-W served extremely well, and hit some great winners, and there was good tennis from both sides. Maybe not a "classic", but not forgettable in my opinion.

And - finally, maybe I am a "fangirl" - but I don't see a problem with that. And I sure don't think it's wrong to look behind the bigger picture of a defeat like this to try and explain to yourself why your favourite isn't doing as well as perhaps he might :shrug: Players need their fans in bad times more than when things are going well for them - and I'm not turning my back on Nole just because he hasn't won a tournament for a few months. There is more to life and tennis than winning - we learn more about ourselves and others from losing than from winning. Nole is doing that now, and I am supporting him 100%. If some people don't like that, maybe start suppurting Nadal or someone instead ;)

~Maya~
09-29-2008, 10:02 AM
Good morning :wavey:

I don't know what to think about the match now :lol:. I guess I will have to watch it

Novak is going to have a little break before the next tournament. This was a warm up indoor tourney. There is no reason for panic. I agree that he has good people around him. I think that Marjan is just fine. It is Novak that needs to rest and recharge, both mentally and physically.

Manon
09-29-2008, 11:46 AM
Do I have to translate my own words? Fanboyish/girlish is searching for excuses. No single excuse, just work, work, work. This is THE worst Novak in past few years and what? Of course I'll support him always - in god and in bad days, whatever. Maybe he can take 238 GS, maybe just this one, there's no diference.

Like gio says - 'It is Novak that needs to rest and recharge, both mentally and physically.'

Herdwick
09-29-2008, 12:18 PM
Noley fans :hug: Tough loss for him, even if it is "only" Bangkok. As one of the Big Three players this was a title he should have had in the bag. I agree with those of you saying that he is pressing too hard. He's not playing freely, he's playing with tension and fear of losing. He trembles on the big points now. I hope this is just a typical career hiccup that many players get and that next year will be different. He hasn't been the same player since the spring European clay season.



Thanks TD - kindness much appreciated. We were a bit raw here yesterday but life must go on. Rafass :D

Delighted about Andy's result too - he must scan the calendar for more 'virgin' events so to speak.

*Raine
09-29-2008, 03:34 PM
Maja - I disagree with some of the others here, - I actually enjoyed the match. J-W served extremely well, and hit some great winners, and there was good tennis from both sides. Maybe not a "classic", but not forgettable in my opinion.



I really enjoyed the match too Rose. It was great to watch Novak and Jo play. :D ;)

*Ljubica*
09-29-2008, 03:37 PM
I really enjoyed the match too Rose. It was great to watch Novak and Jo play. :D ;)

Thanks Raine :) I was beginning to think I was alone here in enjoying the game - even though the result was not as I would have wished :sad:

tangerine_dream
09-29-2008, 04:48 PM
Thanks for the link, Rosie.

Thanks TD - kindness much appreciated. We were a bit raw here yesterday but life must go on. Rafass :D

Delighted about Andy's result too - he must scan the calendar for more 'virgin' events so to speak.
Aw, thanks. :hug: Yes, Rafass cures all ills. :angel:

Good morning :wavey:

I don't know what to think about the match now :lol:. I guess I will have to watch it
Regardless of the result I thought it was a decent match.

*Ljubica*
09-29-2008, 04:56 PM
Rafass :help: Are you people trying to make me ill at dinner time :sad:

t_d, - you're welcome for the link :) And congrats for Andy's win last week btw :)

Herdwick
09-29-2008, 05:12 PM
I hereby appoint Rosie and Raine jointly to the role of resident Dr Pangloss.(OK - stretching it I know, but we lack candidates right now)

*Ljubica*
09-29-2008, 05:28 PM
I hereby appoint Rosie and Raine jointly to the role of resident Dr Pangloss.(OK - stretching it I know, but we lack candidates right now)

:lol: That is probably the first and the last time I have ever been described in such a way :) It's becoming desperately clear that this Forum is badly missing the lovely Miss Raquel, if I am going to become one of the resident optimists amongst us :tape: But just for you my dear, remember...............

"All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds". :p

Herdwick
09-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Well I am filling the Schopenhauer role, with subparts also of Epicurus and Montaigne, and have nominated kalisita as my deputy, so let that be your benchmark. Misha is yet to be cast - his mood varies too much. Possibly Kant...

But I think this train of thought belongs in our declared philosophical thread...

*Ljubica*
09-29-2008, 06:06 PM
Well I am filling the Schopenhauer role, with subparts also of Epicurus and Montaigne, and have nominated kalisita as my deputy, so let that be your benchmark. Misha is yet to be cast - his mood varies too much. Possibly Kant...

But I think this train of thought belongs in our declared philosophical thread...

Indeed. Most people will probably be reading this and thinking WTF :rolleyes: So the "philosophical thread" it is, but I have to eat first :) Later :wavey:

Manon
09-29-2008, 11:48 PM
Misha is yet to be cast - his mood varies too much. Possibly Kant...



To tell the truth I didn't notice that:) But if you say so:sad:

*Raine
09-30-2008, 10:36 AM
I hereby appoint Rosie and Raine jointly to the role of resident Dr Pangloss.(OK - stretching it I know, but we lack candidates right now)

*wondering who Dr. Pangloss is (I must have been absent that day :lol:).. googles Dr. Pangloss*

:lol:

Thanks Raine :) I was beginning to think I was alone here in enjoying the game - even though the result was not as I would have wished :sad:

I enjoyed it so much ;) even if Novak didn't win, at least I got to see him again on tv. And I'm really happy for Jo as well.

I just try to enjoy one match at a time, if he wins then that's really awesome but if he doesn't, I'm happy that I got to watch him... that's enough for me. Of course I will also feel sad if he loses but I will eventually move on and wait patiently for his next match. ;)

*sigh* Oct. 13 seems too long. I want to see him play again. I do hope that they will televise the tournament in Madrid here.


t_d: Congrats to Andy too :worship:.

*Ljubica*
09-30-2008, 11:01 AM
*wondering who Dr. Pangloss is (I must have been absent that day :lol:).. googles Dr. Pangloss*

:lol:



I enjoyed it so much ;) even if Novak didn't win, at least I got to see him again on tv. And I'm really happy for Jo as well.

I just try to enjoy one match at a time, if he wins then that's really awesome but if he doesn't, I'm happy that I got to watch him... that's enough for me. Of course I will also feel sad if he loses but I will eventually move on and wait patiently for his next match. ;)

*sigh* Oct. 13 seems too long. I want to see him play again. I do hope that they will televise the tournament in Madrid here.


t_d: Congrats to Andy too :worship:.

:hug: You have a great attitude Raine :) And I promise I will provide as many reports from Madrid, as I can - providing I have enough time and money to spend on the Internet whilst I'm there. And - of course - providing Novak allows me out of the Hotel room to write them :p

*Raine
10-01-2008, 09:50 AM
:hug: You have a great attitude Raine :) And I promise I will provide as many reports from Madrid, as I can - providing I have enough time and money to spend on the Internet whilst I'm there. And - of course - providing Novak allows me out of the Hotel room to write them :p

:hug:

I'm looking forward for the reports. :D

Take care of Novak btw :lol:, tell him not to do anything stupid while I'm gone. :angel:

savesthedizzle
10-01-2008, 11:45 AM
*wondering who Dr. Pangloss is (I must have been absent that day :lol:).. googles Dr. Pangloss*


Dr. Pangloss is a character from Voltaire's Candide.

I know this only because I actually was reading this just yesterday :lol: :hug: Otherwise I may have been in your position ;)

*Ljubica*
10-01-2008, 02:49 PM
:hug:

I'm looking forward for the reports. :D

Take care of Novak btw :lol:, tell him not to do anything stupid while I'm gone. :angel:

Don't worry - I will be extremely gentle with him ;) :p

arm
10-12-2008, 05:18 PM
OMG I feel so guilty after reading a couple of posts here.

Everyone, I did not disappear for ever. How could I?

It's now clear to me that I MUST take care of this internet issue.

:hug::hug:

PS: I deceided not to talk about Thailand. In fact, I don't even know what Thainland is. :lol: