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OK, i am a Newbie to the tennis betting, but Should i go for it SERIOUSLY?

FedAce
09-14-2008, 09:59 PM
OK, i am newbie to tennis betting, i will admit it. But i have been doing it for last 6 month, just on paper, and i found out that i am pretty good at it. I am hitting about 88% of my picks. so i am thinking about going for it. What is your advice ? I also heard on the radio show that one of the tennis legends bets on tennis and he made $68,000 in past year, just on tennis bets. I think it was one of the Aussie Legends. Also, not sure if i should use a service that provides picks ? what do you think.?:)

Bilbo
09-14-2008, 10:03 PM
I am hitting about 88% of my picks.

average odds?

TMJordan
09-14-2008, 10:07 PM
average odds?

1.01

FedAce
09-14-2008, 10:31 PM
average odds?

Not sure, i have not been keeping track of it. should i ?? I have been mostly betting on 1st or 2nd rounds on favorites. what do you think ??:confused:

malisha
09-14-2008, 10:34 PM
small profit there Fedace..even with 88%..

FedAce
09-14-2008, 10:38 PM
small profit there Fedace..even with 88%..

Well, i am not looking to be a Millionare over night. That pro legend that bets on tennis made $60,000 in 1 year so i figure that is pretty good. what do you mean by small profit ?

malisha
09-14-2008, 11:00 PM
if you bet only on 1.05-1.10 youll find it difficult to have a proper balance cos only one miss will cost you alot and 2-3 in a row and your confidence will start to shake

GlennMirnyi
09-14-2008, 11:17 PM
Betting on 1.01-1.1 favorites is stupid to say the least.

FedAce
09-14-2008, 11:21 PM
Ok lets just say Stephanek is -100 favorite against Olivier Rochus. then if you bet $500 then you would win $100, right ?

GlennMirnyi
09-14-2008, 11:24 PM
Ok lets just say Stephanek is -100 favorite against Olivier Rochus. then if you bet $500 then you would win $100, right ?

-100? Never seen that nomenclature.

FedAce
09-14-2008, 11:25 PM
Ok so lets just say that i bet on Andy Murray on every single match he plays for the year. I should come out way ahead, right ?

malisha
09-14-2008, 11:41 PM
ahead with winnings or with profit????

Murray was 1.10 with Tsonga or Hasse...thats like 10 steps behind for you...
this is just an example

GlennMirnyi
09-14-2008, 11:53 PM
Ok so lets just say that i bet on Andy Murray on every single match he plays for the year. I should come out way ahead, right ?

Hardly. For every loss like that against Lu at the Olympics, you'll need some 10-20 wins at low odds.

FedAce
09-14-2008, 11:58 PM
-100? Never seen that nomenclature.

OK, right now at USBET.com , Argentina and Spain are +150 on straight bets. it is like this If if Risk $100 on this bet, i will WIN $150 if either of these countries win next week in Davis cup. So if i bet $1000, then i will win $1500 which means i will win $500 net. Does that make sense ??? In my opinion, if i bet on Spain to win and risk $1000 then i will safely win $500 and that is a GOOD bet in my opinion. What do you think ????:)

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:04 AM
There is NO way on God's Green earth that United States will beat Spain next week, it would be a biggest upset in history of tennis. so in my opinion, this bet is easy $500 in your pocket.

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:14 AM
There is NO way on God's Green earth that United States will beat Spain next week, it would be a biggest upset in history of tennis. so in my opinion, this bet is easy $500 in your pocket.

I would love to know which bookie is offering 1/2 on Spain beating the USA. I suspect you have got it completely wrong because Spain are actually 1/16 to win.

In respect to the thread itself, to be honest it doesn't seem like you know enough about gambling to get involved at a serious level. Learn more about gambling before you get involved because if you think backing Murray all year means you'll be in profit then you are in for a mighty shock.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 12:15 AM
Are you sure that's what it means?

I hardly doubt that Spain is 1.5 in their DC tie...

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:15 AM
Are you sure that's what it means?

I hardly doubt that Spain is 1.5 in their DC tie...

He's got it completely wrong.

Argentina are 1/2 to beat Russia.

Spain are 1/16 to beat US.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 12:16 AM
He's got it completely wrong.

Argentina are 1/2 to beat Russia.

Spain are 1/16 to beat US.

Yeah I know... I'm just being nice. :p

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:20 AM
Are you sure that's what it means?

I hardly doubt that Spain is 1.5 in their DC tie...

If you don't believe me, GO to www.usbet.com then go to tennis and click on Davis cup. YOU will see in BIg numbers +150, that is the straight bet to win. it means you risk $100 then you WIN $150. go check please. this is a OFF Shore book off the coast of United states in caribeans.:)

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:22 AM
He's got it completely wrong.

Argentina are 1/2 to beat Russia.

Spain are 1/16 to beat US.

That is cause you only know these European books. the Off shore books in Caribeans have completely different odds. I just hope you guys Don't crash the site and They Wise up. i have made money from them by doing bets like this in the past. But only problem is they don't offer tennis most of the time. they only offer tennis bets in grand slams and few of the big masters series and davis cup

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 12:24 AM
If you don't believe me, GO to www.usbet.com then go to tennis and click on Davis cup. YOU will see in BIg numbers +150, that is the straight bet to win. it means you risk $100 then you WIN $150. go check please. this is a OFF Shore book off the coast of United states in caribeans.:)

Man, it's not about believing or not... Spain isn't 1.5 to beat the US... :shrug:

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:24 AM
That is cause you only know these European books. the Off shore books in Caribeans have completely different odds. I just hope you guys Don't crash the site and They Wise up. i have made money from them by doing bets like this in the past. But only problem is they don't offer tennis most of the time. they only offer tennis bets in grand slams and few of the big masters series and davis cup

Well I've tried your link and it's not even a betting site.

If you do know a book that offers 1/2 on Spain, then yes, you should put your house and wife on it. However, I doubt there is a book that is offering that price, so...

malisha
09-15-2008, 12:26 AM
must be a pleasure to do buisness with offshore company in Caribeans ...have a sneaky felling that hit big odds is not a problem with this bookmaker...bad days come when you want to take your money:D

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:28 AM
Well I've tried your link and it's not even a betting site.

If you do know a book that offers 1/2 on Spain, then yes, you should put your house and wife on it. However, I doubt there is a book that is offering that price, so...

WAIT. It is www.BETUS.com NOT usbet. then click on sportsbook on top button. then click on tennis on the side and daviscup. but there is a Catch. You cannot bet your house. there is a betting LIMIT which is $1000, i believe. but still $500 is a nice cash. Let me know what you think.

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:31 AM
WAIT. It is www.BETUS.com NOT usbet. then click on sportsbook on top button. then click on tennis on the side and daviscup. but there is a Catch. You cannot bet your house. there is a betting LIMIT which is $1000, i believe. but still $500 is a nice cash. Let me know what you think.

You need to be a little more careful in future. They are offering +150 on Spain to WIN THE DAVIS CUP not to beat the US. Hope you didn't lay out $1000 already only to see El Rey tear Spain a new one in BA in November.

malisha
09-15-2008, 12:33 AM
there is only outright bet m8

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 12:34 AM
You need to be a little more careful in future. They are offering +150 on Spain to WIN THE DAVIS CUP not to beat the US. Hope you didn't lay out $1000 already only to see El Rey tear Spain a new one in BA in November.

Spain vs Russia is in Spain? :p

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:34 AM
You need to be a little more careful in future. They are offering +150 on Spain to WIN THE DAVIS CUP not to beat the US. Hope you didn't lay out $1000 already only to see El Rey tear Spain a new one in BA in November.

Sorry, my Mistake. you are correct. told you i am a newbie. but i will still take that Bet for spain to win the davis cup. No way Argentina is going to win over Spain. Nadal will win both points on Clay for sure and Spain will win the doubles for sure. so i say about 90% chance Spain will win. still a good bet

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:34 AM
It just reinforces the point you should learn a bit more about the industry before you get involved. You really thought they were offering +150 on Argentina and Spain, +300 on Russia and +800 on the US to win next week?

What's wrong with this picture? Odds against on every team? lol

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:36 AM
Sorry, my Mistake. you are correct. told you i am a newbie. but i will still take that Bet for spain to win the davis cup. No way Argentina is going to win over Spain. Nadal will win both points on Clay for sure and Spain will win the doubles for sure. so i say about 90% chance Spain will win. still a good bet

This'll be my last post in this thread, but just to let you know that Argentina won't be playing Spain on clay. So you take your $1000 and throw it away, if you wish. :hatoff:

90% chance Spain win in Argentina? :lol:

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:37 AM
It just reinforces the point you should learn a bit more about the industry before you get involved. You really thought they were offering +150 on Argentina and Spain, +300 on Russia and +800 on the US to win next week?

What's wrong with this picture? Odds against on every team? lol

Ok, then lets say you had $1000 to put on this bet. which odds would you take ??? i still would take the Spain to win the whole thing.

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:37 AM
Spain vs Russia is in Spain? :p

It'll be in Russia, actually. :p

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 12:40 AM
It'll be in Russia, actually. :p

Another good chance for Russia.

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:40 AM
Ok, then lets say you had $1000 to put on this bet. which odds would you take ??? i still would take the Spain to win the whole thing.

If I had a free $1000 bet on DC? Er...I would put it on the team who will have their SF and F at home and haven't been beaten at home since 1998. Probably.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:41 AM
It'll be in Russia, actually. :p

Russia will lose next week, 99% sure of that. but if Nalbandian plays Nadal in argentina, it will be probably on fast courts. so you think Nalby can beat him. Nalby totally sucked this year and Nadal won the Olympics Gold on fast courts so your argument doesn't really fly ??:confused:

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:45 AM
Russia will lose next week, 99% sure of that. but if Nalbandian plays Nadal in argentina, it will be probably on fast courts. so you think Nalby can beat him. Nalby totally sucked this year and Nadal won the Olympics Gold on fast courts so your argument doesn't really fly ??:confused:

How many times has Nalbandian lost in Argentina in DC?

And Nalby sucked this year so he won't do well in DC is an argument that doesn't fly, either.

Don't worry, I'm not trying to convince you Argentina will win DC. That's just my view. I just happened to think it was very :lol: that you believe it's 90% in Spain's favour. Then again, you didn't even know it wouldn't be on clay and possibly you didn't even know it would be in Argentina. So it figures, I guess.

GL with your bets. :wavey: (just make sure they're on the correct market ;) )

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 12:46 AM
Russia will lose next week, 99% sure of that. but if Nalbandian plays Nadal in argentina, it will be probably on fast courts. so you think Nalby can beat him. Nalby totally sucked this year and Nadal won the Olympics Gold on fast courts so your argument doesn't really fly ??:confused:

If you're so sure, bet on Argentina. :)

Who says Nadull will get to december fit?

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:52 AM
^^^You guys might have a point there. Only wildcard here is DelPotro. If Nadal is injured and is in poor shape then Delpotro can beat him on fast courts. then Nalby will probably take out Ferrer so Argentina could take it all. OK i think i will put my $1000 on argentina to win. DELPOTRO BETTER NOT BE INJURED OR I AM GOING TO CRY.

jayjay
09-15-2008, 12:56 AM
OK i think i will put my $1000 on argentina to win.

Do yourself a favour and keep your money in your pocket.

2 mins ago you were "90%" sure Spain would beat Argentina. Now you think Argentina will win. This isn't even taking into account the fact you were going to put $1000 on Spain to beat the US @ +150, until it was pointed out that wasn't the bet. Then you were going to put $1000 on Spain to win it all. And now you've decided Argentina, all in the space of a few minutes.

Bookies love "newbies".

malisha
09-15-2008, 12:57 AM
before putting any bets..you sholud define your avarege stake and find a bookie which suits your style and is best for you...

FedAce
09-15-2008, 12:59 AM
Do yourself a favour and keep your money in your pocket.

2 mins ago you were "90%" sure Spain would beat Argentina. Now you think Argentina will win. This isn't even taking into account the fact you were going to put $1000 on Spain to beat the US @ +150, until it was pointed out that wasn't the bet. Then you were going to put $1000 on Spain to win it all. And now you've decided Argentina, all in the space of a few minutes.

Bookies love "newbies".

Between your Great Advice and my experience in players head to head matchup, this bet is a 97% chance of winning so i am going to take this bet. and i am going to contine winning in Aussie open next year to boost my bank account then the bookies won't love me so much anymore.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 01:00 AM
Gotta love newbies.

Next thing he's gonna start chasing bets...

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:02 AM
before putting any bets..you sholud define your avarege stake and find a bookie which suits your style and is best for you...

I already have an Account there on that Offshore bookie. it is the biggest offshore book that people in United States use. I thought about european books but it is very difficult to transfer money across the Atlantic and i heard about payouts across the sea. and The Tennis odds are much worse in Europe, i have heard. what do you think ?

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:03 AM
Gotta love newbies.

Next thing he's gonna start chasing bets...

What does Chasing bets mean ????

jayjay
09-15-2008, 01:04 AM
Between your Great Advice and my experience in players head to head matchup, this bet is a 97% chance of winning so i am going to take this bet. and i am going to contine winning in Aussie open next year to boost my bank account then the bookies won't love me so much anymore.

I like your style. At 01:34 AM Spain had a 90% chance of winning. At 01:59 AM Argentina has a 97% chance of winning. :worship:

ps. Why are you so determined to lay out $1000 on DC O/R?

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:08 AM
I like your style. At 01:34 AM Spain had a 90% chance of winning. At 01:59 AM Argentina has a 97% chance of winning. :worship:

ps. Why are you so determined to lay out $1000 on DC O/R?

This bookie has very good odds on Tennis bets but they don't always have them. if i don't put it in now, it may not be offered later on. and this is actually pretty good looking odds if you ask me.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:16 AM
I like your style. At 01:34 AM Spain had a 90% chance of winning. At 01:59 AM Argentina has a 97% chance of winning. :worship:

ps. Why are you so determined to lay out $1000 on DC O/R?

ps. this bookie has bets like this all the time in Grand slam matches,especially in early rounds. you have a obvious favorite with head to head of 3-0 and they will still have like +200 or +300 line, which means you just risk $200 and you win $100. 4 or 5 matches like that it is easy $500 in your pocket.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 01:19 AM
What does Chasing bets mean ????

Take a look at some livescore threads here during big tournies... we've got some posters who chase bets all the time around here.

Chasing bets is when you bet on a match you weren't gonna be involved just because you lost another bet, like:

You bet on Gasquet to beat Haas only for a day.

Then you see Gasquet will lose and you bet on, for instance, Mathieu to beat Querrey, even though you didn't intend to bet on that match before, to cover your losses. Mathieu loses too and then you got an even bigger deficit.

jayjay
09-15-2008, 01:24 AM
This bookie has very good odds on Tennis bets but they don't always have them. if i don't put it in now, it may not be offered later on. and this is actually pretty good looking odds if you ask me.

You do know that +150 is 6/4 and that Argentina are being offered at that price virtually everywhere, and slightly better in some places (5dimes)?

These are not very good odds - they're the odds you'd expect on this market at present.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:46 AM
You do know that +150 is 6/4 and that Argentina are being offered at that price virtually everywhere, and slightly better in some places (5dimes)?

These are not very good odds - they're the odds you'd expect on this market at present.

But they offer these odds on very Obvious bets in 1st or 2nd round matches in Grand Slams.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:51 AM
Take a look at some livescore threads here during big tournies... we've got some posters who chase bets all the time around here.

Chasing bets is when you bet on a match you weren't gonna be involved just because you lost another bet, like:

You bet on Gasquet to beat Haas only for a day.

Then you see Gasquet will lose and you bet on, for instance, Mathieu to beat Querrey, even though you didn't intend to bet on that match before, to cover your losses. Mathieu loses too and then you got an even bigger deficit.

I would NEVER bet on matchup like Gasquet and haas. they are too evenly matched, virtually either guy can win. that is no way to bet. Now if Gasquet was playing Roddick in a davis cup match, i would take Roddick every time and bet Huge. that is the kind of bets i like.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 01:53 AM
I would NEVER bet on matchup like Gasquet and haas. they are too evenly matched, virtually either guy can win. that is no way to bet. Now if Gasquet was playing Roddick in a davis cup match, i would take Roddick every time and bet Huge. that is the kind of bets i like.

I used an example... I should have used Lendl and Edberg, so you'd understand. It doesn't matter the exact match-up.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:55 AM
I used an example... I should have used Lendl and Edberg, so you'd understand. It doesn't matter the exact match-up.

YOu would take Lendl big on that matchup,,,i would.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 01:57 AM
YOu would take Lendl big on that matchup,,,i would.

You still don't get it.

OK.

Take care with your bets... I think you should, for sure.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 01:58 AM
You still don't get it.

OK.

Take care with your bets... I think you should, for sure.

What do you mean by "YOu still don't get it" ?????????? PLease explain, i humbly ask you.:worship:

Mecir
09-15-2008, 02:16 AM
What do you mean by "YOu still don't get it" ?????????? PLease explain, i humbly ask you.:worship:

Fedace - it seems to me that alot of people here are trying to say that maybe you aren't ready for proper gambling.
Look in my opinion, tennis betting is pretty hard to actually bet on - for example International rugby union is something I think is pretty good to bet on.
Anyways that's beside the point - go away and do lots of research on the net - then come back later. You'll be sorry otherwise.

its.like.that
09-15-2008, 02:19 AM
OK, i am newbie to tennis betting, i will admit it. But i have been doing it for last 6 month, just on paper, and i found out that i am pretty good at it. I am hitting about 88% of my picks. so i am thinking about going for it. What is your advice ? I also heard on the radio show that one of the tennis legends bets on tennis and he made $68,000 in past year, just on tennis bets. I think it was one of the Aussie Legends. Also, not sure if i should use a service that provides picks ? what do you think.?:)

I'll give you the same advice I give to all my friends.

Don't gamble.

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 02:21 AM
What do you mean by "YOu still don't get it" ?????????? PLease explain, i humbly ask you.:worship:

Again...

Let's say you checked the whole OOP for day X and you chose 2 bets.

Bet A and B. You are pretty sure.

For some reason, you realise you're gonna lose both of them.

Chasing a bet is making a bet C just to cover your A and B bet.

betowiec
09-15-2008, 02:29 AM
ps. this bookie has bets like this all the time in Grand slam matches,especially in early rounds. you have a obvious favorite with head to head of 3-0 and they will still have like +200 or +300 line, which means you just risk $200 and you win $100. 4 or 5 matches like that it is easy $500 in your pocket.

:rolleyes:

bad gambler
09-15-2008, 03:34 AM
I'll give you the same advice I give to all my friends.

Don't gamble.

I can't believe Jim has come up with the best post in this whole thread :scared:

FedAce concentrate on your studies (I'm assuming you are still in school) and forget about gambling.

Mecir
09-15-2008, 03:48 AM
I'll give you the same advice I give to all my friends.

Don't gamble.

Truer words have never been spoken. :worship:

ryan23
09-15-2008, 06:55 AM
What does Chasing bets mean ????

You aint serious are you? this is a joke isnt it? ive been reading through this thread and icant believe what i'm reading

ryan23
09-15-2008, 06:59 AM
Problem is FedAce you only like the look of 1/6 shots or worse odds which means you will have to bet very big to make it worthwhile and even if you get 4 or 5 correct ni a row the 1 loss that could come next will wipe out all of your profit plus i have no doubt you would chase hard- enjoy gambling and dont look at it as a job where its easy money because its not easy and if it was why are there more betting sites and shops than ever? and they all are very rich

Mecir
09-15-2008, 08:12 AM
You aint serious are you? this is a joke isnt it? ive been reading through this thread and icant believe what i'm reading

Yeah actually I've come to the same conclusion...

ok ha haha very good FedAce the jokes on us...

FedAce
09-15-2008, 08:27 AM
Problem is FedAce you only like the look of 1/6 shots or worse odds which means you will have to bet very big to make it worthwhile and even if you get 4 or 5 correct ni a row the 1 loss that could come next will wipe out all of your profit plus i have no doubt you would chase hard- enjoy gambling and dont look at it as a job where its easy money because its not easy and if it was why are there more betting sites and shops than ever? and they all are very rich

Ok, lets say you bet $200 to win $100 and hit 3 or 4 in a row. then you win $400 right there. From there you are not betting all you have. You continue to bet the same amount and NOT get greedy. with this kind of bets, it is hard to lose 3-4 in a row. Especially in early rounds of grand slams, usually the player with the better head to head prevails. I had done this on paper so far and like i said my winning % is about 88 %. Can you still lose money with this kind of % ???:confused:

Horatio Caine
09-15-2008, 09:29 AM
I'll give you the same advice I give to all my friends.

Don't gamble.

Fuck me (not literally)...you dispense proper advice? :eek:

Totally agree. :worship:


FedAce...I respectfully agree with the others here in telling you that you aren't ready. As jayjay et al have already pointed out, there isn't necessarily a link between an 88% strike rate and netting a profit from this industry...at least, not when you're betting 1.10 shots. It CAN be done (see MC2 thread over at Betfair forums), but it takes a great level of skill (notably selectivity) - a level that the average Joe probably isn't at (see tennisinsight - some of the posters with the highest strike rates).

You need to know your sport extremely well...you obviously have a solid interest in it, so that is good ground to work from, but it could still take a while.

Finally, as malisha (?) says, it is probably best to work out a "staking strategy" so that you won't haemorrhage your life savings should you go on a poor run (a "cold streak" happens to everyone btw)...for me, anyway, money management is the key (assuming that everyone can pick a winner - a given) to potentially becoming a profitable bettor.

Different people take varying times to learn the basics, but it can take many months, even years.

Mecir
09-15-2008, 09:30 AM
You're serious aren't you :eek:

A_Skywalker
09-15-2008, 09:37 AM
OK, i am newbie to tennis betting, i will admit it. But i have been doing it for last 6 month, just on paper, and i found out that i am pretty good at it. I am hitting about 88% of my picks. so i am thinking about going for it. What is your advice ? I also heard on the radio show that one of the tennis legends bets on tennis and he made $68,000 in past year, just on tennis bets. I think it was one of the Aussie Legends. Also, not sure if i should use a service that provides picks ? what do you think.?:)

88% winners but what were the odds?
THat is important.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 09:48 AM
88% winners but what were the odds?
THat is important.

1.5 odds mostly or 2.5 odds.

Bilbo
09-15-2008, 09:49 AM
you are not ready, FedAce. wait another few years.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 09:55 AM
Fuck me (not literally)...you dispense proper advice? :eek:

Totally agree. :worship:


FedAce...I respectfully agree with the others here in telling you that you aren't ready. As jayjay et al have already pointed out, there isn't necessarily a link between an 88% strike rate and netting a profit from this industry...at least, not when you're betting 1.10 shots. It CAN be done (see MC2 thread over at Betfair forums), but it takes a great level of skill (notably selectivity) - a level that the average Joe probably isn't at (see tennisinsight - some of the posters with the highest strike rates).

You need to know your sport extremely well...you obviously have a solid interest in it, so that is good ground to work from, but it could still take a while.

Finally, as malisha (?) says, it is probably best to work out a "staking strategy" so that you won't haemorrhage your life savings should you go on a poor run (a "cold streak" happens to everyone btw)...for me, anyway, money management is the key (assuming that everyone can pick a winner - a given) to potentially becoming a profitable bettor.

Different people take varying times to learn the basics, but it can take many months, even years.

Thank you for you extremely Wise advice. Only thing is that i know Tennis extremely well. I have been following and playing tennis for over 20 years. i am also good at picking head to head matchups. Things like knowing if one player owns dominant record over the other player. Is the player on a hot streak or is he in a slump or is he dead tired from playing 2-3 weeks in a row. Or is the player highly motivated to do well in a certain tournament or does he have ton of points to defend in that particular tournament. How does one player's game matchup against the other player's game if they have not played each other before. Does the player's strength apply well to his opponent's weakness ? Lets say if the guys has one of the best backhand crosscourt in the game, does that shot apply well to his opponent's weakness like his running backhand.? Tennis is so much about applying your strength to your opponent's weakenss, and understanding how well can this be done ? Can this pro achieve this in a match and how strong is he mentally to pull it off ?

FedAce
09-15-2008, 09:59 AM
you are not ready, FedAce. wait another few years.

I have been deeply involved in Tennis for over 20 years, i don't know how long more i should wait ??? also i do agree that you should know when and how many picks you go for. as an example, in a grand slam, if you are doing pretty well in your picks early,you should stop and move on to the next tournament. you should not get greedy and chase more picks deep into the tournament.

bad gambler
09-15-2008, 10:04 AM
1.5 odds mostly or 2.5 odds.

You claim to be hitting 88% at those odds range? hmm looks like someone is cooking the books here.

Now I know this thread is just taking the piss out of everyone here.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 10:05 AM
You claim to be hitting 88% at those odds range?

Now I know this thread is just taking the piss out of everyone here.

What does it mean, taking the piss out ?????????????????

Gamblore
09-15-2008, 10:11 AM
They are joking with you, mocking you really.

Horatio Caine
09-15-2008, 11:18 AM
Thank you for you extremely Wise advice. Only thing is that i know Tennis extremely well. I have been following and playing tennis for over 20 years. i am also good at picking head to head matchups. Things like knowing if one player owns dominant record over the other player. Is the player on a hot streak or is he in a slump or is he dead tired from playing 2-3 weeks in a row. Or is the player highly motivated to do well in a certain tournament or does he have ton of points to defend in that particular tournament. How does one player's game matchup against the other player's game if they have not played each other before. Does the player's strength apply well to his opponent's weakness ? Lets say if the guys has one of the best backhand crosscourt in the game, does that shot apply well to his opponent's weakness like his running backhand.? Tennis is so much about applying your strength to your opponent's weakenss, and understanding how well can this be done ? Can this pro achieve this in a match and how strong is he mentally to pull it off ?

Okay, clearly I mis-underestimated your knowledge there, although I did cringe when I read your post on the future Davis Cup venues/surfaces etc. These types of mistakes can happen to anyone, but they're ones that are easily avoided, and can obviously impact on your long-term yield.

Anyway, the fact remains that you can have an excellent tennis knowledge but struggle to make it as a bettor. In which case, my advice is still that you should spend some time watching how a handful of bettors go about their business, and see if you can pick up on some solid techniques. But if your current strategy really is working as well for you as you say it is (but this must be long-term...a few months isn't long enough imo), who are we to advise you to do anything different? GL with it all. :)

Mecir
09-15-2008, 01:32 PM
1.5 odds mostly or 2.5 odds.

ok i take back everything i said earlier. don't listen to anyone else...you are ready! In fact you should start tomorrow. But just remember to post all your bets on this forum so we can all tail you and make squillions. you will become like a god and will be worshipped.

i'm excited already waiting for your first pick

Iván
09-15-2008, 01:43 PM
What does it mean, taking the piss out ?????????????????

:o

How old are you? You sound like a wind up kid betting with his Parents pocket money.

Let them pay the bills and stop pestering them for tenners everyday for fuck sake.

Sorry man but you sound like your taking the piss like others are saying.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 02:44 PM
Okay, clearly I mis-underestimated your knowledge there, although I did cringe when I read your post on the future Davis Cup venues/surfaces etc. These types of mistakes can happen to anyone, but they're ones that are easily avoided, and can obviously impact on your long-term yield.

Anyway, the fact remains that you can have an excellent tennis knowledge but struggle to make it as a bettor. In which case, my advice is still that you should spend some time watching how a handful of bettors go about their business, and see if you can pick up on some solid techniques. But if your current strategy really is working as well for you as you say it is (but this must be long-term...a few months isn't long enough imo), who are we to advise you to do anything different? GL with it all. :)

Thank you so much again for your wonderful advice. World is truly better place casue people like you, seriously. Even though i have ton of tennis knowdledge, i will take your advice and study this section of the forum and see what the more Experienced betters do before jumping in with real money. I owe you a Eternal Gratitude. World needs more people like you.:worship:

FedAce
09-15-2008, 02:46 PM
:o

How old are you? You sound like a wind up kid betting with his Parents pocket money.

Let them pay the bills and stop pestering them for tenners everyday for fuck sake.

Sorry if i souund immateur, didn't mean to. Why is the BAR on bottom of my Avatar a RED color ??? everyone elses bars are Green ??:confused:

superboy2006
09-15-2008, 04:12 PM
Not sure, i have not been keeping track of it. should i ?? I have been mostly betting on 1st or 2nd rounds on favorites. what do you think ??:confused:

Dont even think about betting on short faves in a long-haul distance.....youd better start contemplating bets starting from 1.5 and strive to achieve the price of 2.0 or higher.....

ryan23
09-15-2008, 04:18 PM
FedAce it doesnt matter what anyone sais on here you have your own mind and your own money and its clear you believe your ready so go for it and if it fucks up atleast youve tried, post your bets on this site and keep a record etc

Thrasher
09-15-2008, 04:21 PM
Sorry if i souund immateur, didn't mean to. Why is the BAR on bottom of my Avatar a RED color ??? everyone elses bars are Green ??:confused:

Red means that your frantic postings have reached a critical level and the system needs time to recouperate. Its like when you blow up a balloon, if you dont stop blowing eventually it bursts.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 04:23 PM
FedAce it doesnt matter what anyone sais on here you have your own mind and your own money and its clear you believe your ready so go for it and if it fucks up atleast youve tried, post your bets on this site and keep a record etc

I could start this weekend with Sam Querry vs Ferrer ? I would pick Ferrer on that one. or could start with WTA in Japan ? Alize Cornet vs Caroline Woziniak. I would pick Cornet on that match. I think Cornet is more experienced and more determined at this point.

ryan23
09-15-2008, 04:26 PM
I could start this weekend with Sam Querry vs Ferrer ? I would pick Ferrer on that one. or could start with WTA in Japan ? Alize Cornet vs Caroline Woziniak. I would pick Cornet on that match. I think Cornet is more experienced and more determined at this point.

Ferrer has been terrible lately though worst form ive known him in


Cornet should do it

ryan23
09-15-2008, 04:27 PM
Red means that your frantic postings have reached a critical level and the system needs time to recouperate. Its like when you blow up a balloon, if you dont stop blowing eventually it bursts.

:haha:

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Red means that your frantic postings have reached a critical level and the system needs time to recouperate. Its like when you blow up a balloon, if you dont stop blowing eventually it bursts.

:haha:

FedAce
09-15-2008, 05:37 PM
Red means that your frantic postings have reached a critical level and the system needs time to recouperate. Its like when you blow up a balloon, if you dont stop blowing eventually it bursts.

so in your opinion, how do i get it back to Green ?? and i need more reputation points. can you guys get me some ?:)

FedAce
09-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Ferrer has been terrible lately though worst form ive known him in


Cornet should do it

Agree that Ferrer is in bad form. but on clay, i don't think Querry matches up well with Ferrer. for example, Ferrer's strength is his Return game and clay will deaden the effectiveness of Querry's serves as well. and with Querry, if his main weapon is neutralized then he seem to get lost and become real unsure of himself. + this is Querry's very 1st Davis cup experience in a hostile land. also, Ferrer becomes a different guy in home crowd/play for your country type of situation. so all these factors added up looks to me like Ferrer in straight sets or in 4 sets. do you Agree ??:)

nastoff
09-15-2008, 05:57 PM
It's possible to actually bet on tennis without gambling, you guys are aware of that, right?

FedAce
09-15-2008, 06:00 PM
It's possible to actually bet on tennis without gambling, you guys are aware of that, right?

No, i don't think so. My objective is to win some Real Cash to put into my portfolio.:)

nastoff
09-15-2008, 06:05 PM
Tennis is one of the few sports where you can bet without actually gambling, because player A can't win a match when player B is serving.
Unlike other sports where the outcome can change any time and under any circumstances - which makes betting on it a pure gamble.

Hope that helps.

FedAce
09-15-2008, 06:08 PM
Tennis is one of the few sports where you can bet without actually gambling, because player A can't win a match when player B is serving.
Unlike other sports where the outcome can change any time and under any circumstances - which makes betting on it a pure gamble.

Hope that helps.

I have no idea what you are saying. are you saying you can change your bet in middle of the match?

scarecrows
09-15-2008, 06:52 PM
FedAce, do you bet with hamurger money?

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 06:56 PM
FedAce, do you bet with hamurger money?

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Who used to say that again?

FedAce
09-15-2008, 06:59 PM
FedAce, do you bet with hamurger money?

I bet with real money, off shore account.

scarecrows
09-15-2008, 07:12 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Who used to say that again?

guillermo, a banned "gambler" who was probably taking a piss
for some unknown reason this thread reminded me of him

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2008, 07:14 PM
guillermo, a banned "gambler" who was probably taking a piss
for some unknown reason this thread reminded me of him

:haha:

Hamurguer money...

nastoff
09-15-2008, 07:15 PM
I have no idea what you are saying. are you saying you can change your bet in middle of the match?


Yeah, I didn't make myself clear enough, that's what I'm saying. If things don't go your way, you can change your bet in the middle of the match until you pick the winner.
As long as you don't get greedy you'll be fine. It's better to safely win 10% of your bank than risk your whole bank and rely on player A or player B. Then you'll never have to care about anything that is beyond your control, because you have the edge. The players are nothing, just a means to an end; they're just paws in the big scheme of things...which is that you have to make money, under all circumastances. Nothing else matters. Supporting anybody consistutes a flaw as far as betting is concerned. You have to adapt a utilitarian approach if you want to make any money from it.
It's just you against them...

Horatio Caine
09-15-2008, 07:17 PM
Nastoff...have you been taking things on the banned substances list?

I wonder what happened to good ol' Guillermo. :lol:

nastoff
09-15-2008, 07:31 PM
All I'm saying is that to win money on anything you need an edge. And in order to get the edge in tennis gambling, you have to forget anything you love about this sport and become a machine, be ruthless and calculated.
And no, alcohol is not a banned substance as far as I know. ;)

You can't rely on the fact that you're doing well at any particular time by gambling - because gambling is not giving you an edge in the long run.

malisha
09-15-2008, 07:38 PM
Red means that your frantic postings have reached a critical level and the system needs time to recouperate. Its like when you blow up a balloon, if you dont stop blowing eventually it bursts.

:rolls:

malisha
09-15-2008, 07:39 PM
And no, alcohol is not a banned substance as far as I know. ;)



it is in Muslim countries m8

ryan23
09-15-2008, 07:56 PM
Yes offcourse Ferrer should win like Cornet should but theres no logic sometimes in tennis gambling like all gambling, just remember if it was easy we would all be millionaires :)

FedAce
09-15-2008, 08:50 PM
Yes offcourse Ferrer should win like Cornet should but theres no logic sometimes in tennis gambling like all gambling, just remember if it was easy we would all be millionaires :)

I agree with you Ryan. Let me do this on paper little longer and i will let you guys know what i am picking. I have money already in the off shore accounts in Caribbean. but i don't have any open accounts in Europian books. Wonder if should open one there ????? and Is what Nastoff is saying about you can change your bet in middle of the match true ? My off shore books won't let you change once the match starts. thanks.

scarecrows
09-16-2008, 04:22 PM
i just made green the reputation bar of FedAce

hopefully his betting career is green also

Jaap
09-16-2008, 04:33 PM
i just made green the reputation bar of FedAce

hopefully his betting career is green also

It won't stay green long when Its Like that gets here. :D

Horatio Caine
09-16-2008, 04:39 PM
Red means that your frantic postings have reached a critical level and the system needs time to recouperate. Its like when you blow up a balloon, if you dont stop blowing eventually it bursts.

No, it just means that BG needs to stop scratching his arse and finally put child lock on ILT's account. :D

FedAce
09-17-2008, 02:35 AM
i just made green the reputation bar of FedAce

hopefully his betting career is green also

Thank you so much, i got a good start with Alize Cornet match. I also am looking forward to a good davis cup weekend as well.:)

its.like.that
09-18-2008, 02:08 PM
Sorry if i souund immateur, didn't mean to. Why is the BAR on bottom of my Avatar a RED color ??? everyone elses bars are Green ??:confused:

Yours were red because you are a nonce.

its.like.that
09-18-2008, 02:08 PM
so in your opinion, how do i get it back to Green ?? and i need more reputation points. can you guys get me some ?:)

:o

its.like.that
09-18-2008, 02:08 PM
FedAce, do you bet with hamurger money?

:lol:

:yeah:

its.like.that
09-18-2008, 02:08 PM
I bet with real money, off shore account.

I think that is illegal where you live.

I might report you.

its.like.that
09-18-2008, 02:11 PM
i just made green the reputation bar of FedAce

hopefully his betting career is green also

Wtf did you do that for? :o

It won't stay green long when Its Like that gets here. :D

scarecrows undid all my good work :sobbing:

No, it just means that BG needs to stop scratching his arse and finally put child lock on ILT's account. :D

I really don't understand why people take such offence to those tiny red dots? :shrug:

You should see some of the PM's I've received in the past, pleading with me to give them goodreps instead. Of course they simply receive more badreps than they otherwise would have.

:D

scarecrows
09-18-2008, 05:21 PM
You should see some of the PM's I've received in the past, pleading with me to give them goodreps instead. Of course they simply receive more badreps than they otherwise would have.

:D

haha, do you still have any of them?
I remember people were going nuts about reputation points once

Horatio Caine
09-18-2008, 05:22 PM
You should see some of the PM's I've received in the past, pleading with me to give them goodreps instead. Of course they simply receive more badreps than they otherwise would have.

:D

:haha:

...btw, thanks for my latest instalment, dick-pole. :worship:

cardio
09-18-2008, 06:37 PM
Ok so lets just say that i bet on Andy Murray on every single match he plays for the year. I should come out way ahead, right ?

Actually , I think it is interesting idea. To pick one player who you think will have great success and bet on every match he plays. I wonder if anyone tried it? Most obvious example is Rafa on clay. Everyone knows he is the best claycourter,but you can still make money using this very common knowledge.Rafa played 23 matches on clay this year and won 22. Of course his odds in early rounds were very low, perhaps 1.03 or 1.04. But I´m sure in QF, SF, Finals against players like Ferrer, Davydenko, Djokovic , Fed, his odds were lot higher, up until 1.6 at least against Fed . Lets say 500 bucks on every Rafa match on clay, lets say average odds on Nadal @1.15.
Total stake 500x23 = 11 500
Total return 500 x 22 x 1.15 = 12 650
Profit 1150 bucks. Too bad I didnt have this idea before clay season started:)

jayjay
09-18-2008, 06:56 PM
Total stake 500x23 = 11 500
Total return 500 x 22 x 1.15 = 12 650
Profit 1150 bucks. Too bad I didnt have this idea before clay season started:)

Laying out a total of 11.5k just to pick up over a k over the course of 23 matches is not the best idea in the world. Jig tried it this season and it was going well until the Ferrero match where he got stung. For the large part, it does seem like easy money when you have a player that dominant.

However, if you've got 11.5k to play with you should be able to find selections at far more backable prices to make use of, risking far less and potentially winning alot more.

At the end of the day, backing in this manner (re:Nadal) can only be done in very exceptional circumstances over very short periods of time, and even then it can be destroyed in an instant because of one off day, as happened with Nadal/Ferrero and the blisters/tiredness etc.

Not the way to go.

If you did want to back a player over the course of a season, it would have to be a player yet to explode who you believed would do over the course of the season, thus being able to back them at consistent stakes throughout the season at odds against. And again, this is only ever going to last for a short period, as the books would soon be adjusting the prices on said player.

All in all, it's unworkable either way for sustained and continued growth.

cardio
09-18-2008, 07:38 PM
Laying out a total of 11.5k just to pick up over a k over the course of 23 matches is not the best idea in the world. Jig tried it this season and it was going well until the Ferrero match where he got stung. For the large part, it does seem like easy money when you have a player that dominant.

However, if you've got 11.5k to play with you should be able to find selections at far more backable prices to make use of, risking far less and potentially winning alot more.

At the end of the day, backing in this manner (re:Nadal) can only be done in very exceptional circumstances over very short periods of time, and even then it can be destroyed in an instant because of one off day, as happened with Nadal/Ferrero and the blisters/tiredness etc.

Not the way to go.

If you did want to back a player over the course of a season, it would have to be a player yet to explode who you believed would do over the course of the season, thus being able to back them at consistent stakes throughout the season at odds against. And again, this is only ever going to last for a short period, as the books would soon be adjusting the prices on said player.

All in all, it's unworkable either way for sustained and continued growth.

I meant 500 bucks on every match, when match is over you get back your stake with profit and can do it again in next round. You dont have to have 11 K free money to spend. Of course there is always risk to lose your stake like happened against Ferrero, but as long you dont put your previous profit in, it should work. As for books adjust to players success.. they do, but I dont think we`ll see Rafa @1.05 against Fed in clay final any time soon. Rafa won in Monte Carlo and his odds in Hamburg final were not significantly shorter. Rafa won in Hamburg and his odds in RG final were still around 1.5-1.6. Rafa destroyed Fed in RG, won in Queens and he was still underdog in Wimby final. We have to keep in mind that there are plenty of morons ( including myself:devil:) who dont like to bet on fav and who hope that miraculous upset will happen just 3 hours after they put their last money on underdog.:D

nastoff
09-18-2008, 07:59 PM
1.60 against Fed? He wasn't any higher than 1.30 ( if you're talking about the RG final ).
The bookies don't like to offer big prices on sure wins ;)

jayjay
09-18-2008, 08:18 PM
I meant 500 bucks on every match, when match is over you get back your stake with profit and can do it again in next round. You dont have to have 11 K free money to spend.

That's true, my bad. I was being ridiculously thick :o , which suits this particular thread.

Of course there is always risk to lose your stake like happened against Ferrero, but as long you dont put your previous profit in, it should work.

Well, don't say it should work, because just look at jig's thread. It worked up to a point, and then bust. How many players can you pick out over the course of a season that are likely to have the sustained run Nadal can have on clay?

None. On the men's or women's tour. So really all we are talking about here is backing Nadal from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros, and given that he has now won 4 French Open's and given that the prices are now very, very short, even against better opposition - the chance to play with this kind of experiment has gone. In my view, obviously.

As for books adjust to players success.. they do, but I dont think we`ll see Rafa @1.05 against Fed in clay final any time soon. Rafa won in Monte Carlo and his odds in Hamburg final were not significantly shorter. Rafa won in Hamburg and his odds in RG final were still around 1.5-1.6.

Are you thinking 2007 rather than 2008?

Nadal was a little bigger this year for Hamburg because the books figured the fatigue factor may catch up with him, we saw that it hadn't. At Roland Garros he was 1/4 in most places for the final, not 1/2 as you claim, at least as I recall it.

Rafa destroyed Fed in RG, won in Queens and he was still underdog in Wimby final.

He was a marginal dog for the Wimbledon F and in most places by the time the first ball was hit it was a pick 'em.

The argument against betting in the way you suggest for this short period of time is the same as the argument against for the duration - because backing that short, consistently, will eventually kill you. And for the period or time that you get away with it is not actually worth the risk factor, again, just my view.

ryan23
09-18-2008, 08:51 PM
Thx for the bad rep ILT- i always look forward to them :)

scarecrows
09-18-2008, 08:56 PM
so, who's the one here that DIDN'T get a badrep from ILT?

ryan23
09-18-2008, 08:58 PM
so, who's the one here that DIDN'T get a badrep from ILT?

i'm sure everyone from the gambling forum has bad rep from ILT- been going on all year :D

betowiec
09-18-2008, 09:05 PM
so, who's the one here that DIDN'T get a badrep from ILT?

always wanted to know that too

FedAce
09-18-2008, 11:27 PM
Actually , I think it is interesting idea. To pick one player who you think will have great success and bet on every match he plays. I wonder if anyone tried it? Most obvious example is Rafa on clay. Everyone knows he is the best claycourter,but you can still make money using this very common knowledge.Rafa played 23 matches on clay this year and won 22. Of course his odds in early rounds were very low, perhaps 1.03 or 1.04. But I´m sure in QF, SF, Finals against players like Ferrer, Davydenko, Djokovic , Fed, his odds were lot higher, up until 1.6 at least against Fed . Lets say 500 bucks on every Rafa match on clay, lets say average odds on Nadal @1.15.
Total stake 500x23 = 11 500
Total return 500 x 22 x 1.15 = 12 650
Profit 1150 bucks. Too bad I didnt have this idea before clay season started:)

Exactly Cardio. This is just one of the stretegies that Pancho Gonzalez used to make over $63,000 in a give year just betting on Tennis.

its.like.that
09-19-2008, 02:15 AM
so, who's the one here that DIDN'T get a badrep from ILT?

It's all your fault actually. I had been rather quiet on the rep front recently, until I saw that you made FedAce green again, undoing all of my hard work. When I tried to rep him, it came up with the usual "you have to spread some reputation around before giving it to FedAce". So naturally, I badrepped the first 10 people I could find, so that I will soon be able to badrep FedAce again.

Comprende? ;)

Lebowski
09-19-2008, 02:27 AM
This thread deserves to go the Bookies Hall of Fame.

Hook Line and Sinker

The only person stupider than someone willing to throw their money away, is the person who wont take it from them

Henry Chinaski
09-19-2008, 02:35 AM
Nadal's odds with bet365 in 2008 (though they seem to fear him more than other books so these odds are probably the worst average)

MC: 1.07, 1.04, 1.12, 1.12, 1.44

B: 1.02, 1.01, 1.01, 1.00, 1.08

R: 1.02

H: 1.03, 1.12, 1.05, 1.4 1.57

RG: 1.005, 1.005. 1.005, 1.01, 1.04, 1.2, 1.25

still confident it's worthwhile?

bad gambler
09-19-2008, 05:46 AM
This thread deserves to go the Bookies Hall of Fame.

Hook Line and Sinker

The only person stupider than someone willing to throw their money away, is the person who wont take it from them

Just play along

bad gambler
09-19-2008, 05:50 AM
I have no idea what you are saying. are you saying you can change your bet in middle of the match?

Yeah...

Just go all in on one player and green out after the first point of the match

Gamblore
09-19-2008, 06:16 AM
Actually , I think it is interesting idea. To pick one player who you think will have great success and bet on every match he plays. I wonder if anyone tried it? Most obvious example is Rafa on clay. Everyone knows he is the best claycourter,but you can still make money using this very common knowledge.Rafa played 23 matches on clay this year and won 22. Of course his odds in early rounds were very low, perhaps 1.03 or 1.04. But I´m sure in QF, SF, Finals against players like Ferrer, Davydenko, Djokovic , Fed, his odds were lot higher, up until 1.6 at least against Fed . Lets say 500 bucks on every Rafa match on clay, lets say average odds on Nadal @1.15.
Total stake 500x23 = 11 500
Total return 500 x 22 x 1.15 = 12 650
Profit 1150 bucks. Too bad I didnt have this idea before clay season started:)

Its being done by me, sheesh take an interst in my work:o

A_Skywalker
09-21-2008, 06:56 PM
Before you even try read some of my comments at http://valuebetting.blog.com/
Its my betting blog. Sorry for the bad english in the article :p.

FedAce
09-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Before you even try read some of my comments at http://valuebetting.blog.com/
Its my betting blog. Sorry for the bad english in the article :p.

Nice article, thank you. I actually know the sport of Tennis inside and out. my record so far is 7 wins and 5 losses, mainly due to some reckless betting on my part. actually my record is uaually much better.

FedAce
09-25-2008, 02:37 PM
This thread deserves to go the Bookies Hall of Fame.

Hook Line and Sinker

The only person stupider than someone willing to throw their money away, is the person who wont take it from them

Amazes me how many people think i am ignorant or stupid. I have been playing and following tennis for 20+ years. I even taught some Juniors in summer camp.

its.like.that
09-27-2008, 12:46 AM
Amazes me how many people think i am ignorant or stupid. I have been playing and following tennis for 20+ years. I even taught some Juniors in summer camp.

lmao

Iván
09-27-2008, 10:37 AM
I even taught some Juniors in summer camp


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7sei-eEjy4g

GustavoM_Fan
09-28-2008, 05:55 AM
how old are you fedace? :)

after your previous post i thought u was 15 years old or something like that :lol:
maybe because the newbie word in the title :scratch:

or your signature :lol:
10-6 is not the important..
how many underdogs from this 10 u took? :scratch:

ivekinjo
09-28-2008, 03:19 PM
i'm sure everyone from the gambling forum has bad rep from ILT- been going on all year :D

:wavey:

its.like.that
09-29-2008, 02:03 PM
how old are you fedace? :)

after your previous post i thought u was 15 years old or something like that :lol:
maybe because the newbie word in the title :scratch:

or your signature :lol:
10-6 is not the important..
how many underdogs from this 10 u took? :scratch:

lmaooooooooo

This guy got banned for 'accessing another mtf member's account'.

:haha:

Iván
09-29-2008, 02:14 PM
lmaooooooooo

This guy got banned for 'accessing another mtf member's account'.

:haha:

How is this possible? Guessed the password or sumthing?

its.like.that
09-29-2008, 02:29 PM
How is this possible? Guessed the password or sumthing?

Probably :lol:

Albop
10-01-2008, 10:26 PM
This thread is gold.

Amazes me how many people think i am ignorant or stupid. I have been playing and following tennis for 20+ years. I even taught some Juniors in summer camp.

Forgive them master.

bad gambler
10-02-2008, 03:18 AM
This thread has run its course.

Closed