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Haas Under or over achieve?

supertommyhaas
06-15-2006, 03:13 AM
Im a Tommy Haas and im fed up with his performances!! Just a question for people am I expecting to much is his current ranking of 26 reflect his ability??? I think he should be around 10-15!! So does he not have the talent??? Or am I justified in being dissapointed??

dmit424
06-15-2006, 03:15 AM
I think he's been underachieving for a while... Not sure why. But he has every shot in the book. Mentally, he's not the best, but I'm surprised he hasn't found a coach that pushed him into the top-3 at some point in hs career (I know he was #2, but I mean like... top-3 year in and year out).

dmit424
06-15-2006, 03:16 AM
What is it with Germans? Kiefer is another man in need of a "right" coach. He could be top-5 too with his talent.

Fee
06-15-2006, 03:16 AM
Tommy has a ton of talent, as evidenced by the success he had at the beginning of the year. Once again, it seems he's been struck by a freak/injury illness just when he was getting on a roll. If he doesn't get back into a groove at Wimbledon, perhaps he'll pick it up during the US Summer. He has done well here in the past.

I hope so anyway, he's one of my favorite players. :)

atheneglaukopis
06-15-2006, 03:19 AM
Well, his health has been a problem. He's retired three times this year. It's not the only problem, but it is definitely a big one.

Saturn66
06-15-2006, 03:27 AM
Very talented. He just always gets injured.

disturb3d
06-15-2006, 04:26 AM
The current 8, 9 & 10 lineup is probably the least talented in the past decade.
With that said, Haas has more talent in his pinky than Robredo, Ancic and Gaudio combined.

CmonAussie
06-15-2006, 04:30 AM
* He should have won a Slam in 2001 or 2002, now that window of opportunity may have passed him by...

supertommyhaas
06-15-2006, 04:35 AM
* He should have won a Slam in 2001 or 2002, now that window of opportunity may have passed him by...

yeh your right he should have!! Had a huge chance at the AO 2002 when leading Safin in the SF 2 sets to 1! A player of his talet should have won a slam. Or at the very least made It to the last 8 more than three times.

CmonAussie
06-15-2006, 04:44 AM
yeh your right he should have!! Had a huge chance at the AO 2002 when leading Safin in the SF 2 sets to 1! A player of his talet should have won a slam. Or at the very least made It to the last 8 more than three times.
:wavey:
I remember Haas won 4-titles in 2001, including a TMS [last one in Germany], also he beat Sampras in the final of Long Island & he was close to taking a 2-set-to-love lead over Hewitt in their 4th Rd at the USO. As you mentioned the very next Slam was AO 2002 & if he had finishe of Safin he probably would have beaten Johansson in the final. Also in 2002 he got to the final of the Rome TMS on clay...so that`s when his form peaked. Now that Federer & Nadal are such dominant No.1 & 2. respectively it`s hard for any of the other players to sneak a Slam win. Hewitt, Roddick, Safin & Agassi would need a semi-miracle to win another Slam, so if they can`t do it I doubt Haas can, anymore.

16681
06-15-2006, 05:10 AM
I think supertommyhaas if all you can do is post threads knocking Tommy you should ask for a name change. Tommy was #2 in the world at one point but he also injuried his right shoulder which required I believe two surgeries. He was off the tour for a long while. In fact some people thought he would never even make it back on the Tour. He is a right-handed player so of course he is not going to be able to be the player he once was with that medical history. I'm just glad he is able to play on the Tour again. And he has already won two Tournaments this year which is more than a lot of players on the Tour have done so far.

Volley Art
06-15-2006, 06:08 AM
I agree with the above. Tommy's just really had a string of awful luck throughout his career. He's been hurt numerous times, plus he took a lot of time off after that bad accident his parents got in. The tennis gods just don't seem to smile on him.

Frederick16
06-15-2006, 06:59 AM
The current 8, 9 & 10 lineup is probably the least talented in the past decade.
With that said, Haas has more talent in his pinky than Robredo, Ancic and Gaudio combined.

you are insane!! robredo i will give you, but ancic and gaudio!! :eek:

supertommyhaas
09-04-2008, 05:11 AM
What would people say he did considering his talent?

Under or over acheive? Now that is right near the end oh his career.

His record stands at:
Highest ranking :2
Best slam results AO SF 1999.2002.2007
Us open QF 2004,2006,2007
French Open and Wimbledon Best results 4th rd

1 masters series title
10 other titles

EnriqueIG8
09-04-2008, 06:53 AM
I think most players would kill someone for that palmares.
But Haas is one of the most gifter but most mentally weak player on tour so I think he did a great job.

Lugburz
09-04-2008, 02:39 PM
I would just say:Everything that he has achieved was well deserved..And definitely more tittles would be concerned if he hadn't those injury and family problems..

Ivanatis
09-04-2008, 04:07 PM
certainly no over-achiever

I think at least one GS-final should have been possible, so I think slight under-achiever, although his career reflects his talent all in all

Stensland
09-04-2008, 05:16 PM
i think deck is right. he's had ups and downs and while i think a gs win would have been a bit much considering his constant brainfarting, i do believe he'd have deserved a final back in the days.

ReturnWinner
09-04-2008, 05:33 PM
He is an underachiever due to his many injuries and not so good work ethic and regularity during his whole career but still his it has been pretty good with two slams semis, a master series title and a final,10 more titles and many wins over top players like Agassi,Sampras,Hewitt,Safin, etc.

Nathaliia
09-04-2008, 07:13 PM
it's like to ask if the bottle is half full or half empty :)

thrust
09-04-2008, 09:16 PM
Very talented. He just always gets injured.

Which is a shame as he has a wonderful game to watch. So much talent, but too many health problems.

GlennMirnyi
09-05-2008, 12:09 AM
Underachiever for sure.

Forehander
09-05-2008, 12:14 AM
Not really a hater but he's definitely over-achieved. Was even super lucky to have won so much during a tennis downtime.

leng jai
09-05-2008, 01:22 AM
Not really a hater but he's definitely over-achieved. Was even super lucky to have won so much during a tennis downtime.

Agreed.

oranges
09-05-2008, 08:41 AM
Not really a hater but he's definitely over-achieved. Was even super lucky to have won so much during a tennis downtime.

:lol: This might be the only time someone used Haas and was lucky in the same sentence. It must be a very strange lucky star he was born under :p
For me, I don't see how someone with so many setbacks could underachieve, in a way it's miracle he's still playing. Over-achieving with the shots he has in his arsenal doesn't make much sense either.

Forehander
09-05-2008, 11:00 AM
His style of game is great. Very classical. But unfortunately he has too many bad matchups which makes him extremely inconsistent.

Bernard Black
09-05-2008, 11:24 AM
It is tempting to look at an injury-hit career like Haas' through rose-tinted glasses since we only focus on the highlights and write off the bad losses as down to injury.

Just focusing on his game though, at his best, I think he had everything. Solid serve and forehand, fantastic backhand with so much versality of that wing and great volleys. He just had infinite options to attack you from. There simply aren't many players around still like him, and tennis is worse off for it in my opinion. When he does retire he'll be missed...at least by me.

To answer the question - definitely underachieved ;)

ExcaliburII
09-05-2008, 11:32 AM
The current 8, 9 & 10 lineup is probably the least talented in the past decade.
With that said, Haas has more talent in his pinky than Robredo, Ancic and Gaudio combined.

:lol: Have you watched Gaudio playing at least once?

Lugburz
09-05-2008, 02:48 PM
It is tempting to look at an injury-hit career like Haas' through rose-tinted glasses since we only focus on the highlights and write off the bad losses as down to injury.

Just focusing on his game though, at his best, I think he had everything. Solid serve and forehand, fantastic backhand with so much versality of that wing and great volleys. He just had infinite options to attack you from. There simply aren't many players around still like him, and tennis is worse off for it in my opinion. When he does retire he'll be missed...at least by me.

To answer the question - definitely underachieved ;)

Totally agreed !

richie21
09-06-2008, 08:48 AM
What would people say he did considering his talent?

Under or over acheive? Now that is right near the end oh his career.

His record stands at:
Highest ranking :2
Best slam results AO SF 1999.2002.2007
Us open QF 2004,2006,2007
French Open and Wimbledon Best results 4th rd

1 masters series title
10 other titles

Far from being bad considering his talent.
Some players have underachieved far more than him if you ask me....:o

Burrow
09-06-2008, 09:32 AM
An under achiever, he was definitely capable of a grand slam, his biggest pras injuries but one match sticks in my mind (because im a safin fan), their Australian Open semi-final in 2002, Haas would've won if it never rained and I don't think he would have fucked up like Safin did in the final.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20020126/ai_n9672029

jbud
09-06-2008, 09:49 AM
Haas is very talented, but has definitely under achieved in his career. Of course he has had back luck with injury. It was always going to be difficult to follow in the footsteps of Steffi Graf and Boris Becker, when tennis really boomed in Germany.

groundstroke
09-06-2008, 10:22 AM
Haas underachieved throughout his whole career but when this thread was made (2006) Haas was doing decent, now he's doing awful. Too many injuries.

Federerhingis
09-06-2008, 02:26 PM
Haas has definitely underachieved, he has one of the most complete all around court games. When he is timing his backhand well it's a beauty.

Lugburz
09-06-2008, 02:35 PM
Haas has definitely underachieved, he has one of the most complete all around court games. When he is timing his backhand well it's a beauty.

Always glad to see positive comments for Tommy coming from Roger fans ;)
Anyway,I am not suffering that Tommy hasn't achieved more..Probably one slam would be just fine that those people who don't like him respect him as a brilliant player. I am not saying that he has to be liked,he should be respected like all the others who are trying to play that ''perfect to watch'' tennis...