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Amer's Cheering Thread!

Deboogle!.
09-02-2008, 02:15 AM
:banana: We have our forum :D Amer's next event is the Tulsa Challenger.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=127428


Come on Amer! :bounce:

knight_ley
09-02-2008, 02:24 AM
:woohoo:

Tytta!.
09-02-2008, 02:25 AM
:D :D :D :D :D :D Amer has a forum!!!!!! :aparty: :woohoo: :banana:

cobalt60
09-02-2008, 02:39 AM
:banana: :woohoo:
Now start winning a tournie again would ya to celebrate:p

jeahhh!
09-02-2008, 03:02 AM
:woohoo: :woohoo:

partygirl
09-02-2008, 02:32 PM
:rocker2: He needs results, befitting our determination.;)

Deboogle!.
09-09-2008, 08:18 PM
Seems he pulled out of Tulsa :(

Deboogle!.
09-27-2008, 03:57 PM
Amer made it into the Tokyo draw! Too bad he has a hometown guy first :( http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=131987

DartMarcus
09-28-2008, 12:15 PM
Good luck Amer.

DartMarcus
09-29-2008, 09:01 AM
Amer won 6-4 6-2!!!
14 aces, 70% 1st serve, 5/5 bp saved, 3/6 bp won and so on!
:worship:

Tytta!.
09-29-2008, 01:25 PM
Amer :yeah:

cobalt60
09-29-2008, 01:26 PM
:banana:

jeahhh!
09-29-2008, 03:45 PM
:rocker2:

Deboogle!.
09-29-2008, 04:19 PM
wow :banana: great win :D

Deboogle!.
09-29-2008, 05:17 PM
few highlights and short interview :D Amer really needs a haircut :lol:
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/tokyo_monday.asp

Deboogle!.
10-01-2008, 04:31 PM
:eek: amer beat Sam in straight sets. Great win Amer!!! :banana: :banana:

jeahhh!
10-01-2008, 04:33 PM
Keep it up :rocker2:

DartMarcus
10-01-2008, 05:03 PM
Amer = №1 in the end of 2009 :)

Tytta!.
10-01-2008, 05:13 PM
Amer :banana:

partygirl
10-01-2008, 06:47 PM
:banana:

cobalt60
10-01-2008, 08:10 PM
Next round a toughie but good luck :yeah:

Deboogle!.
10-02-2008, 10:53 PM
Gonzo won in 2 tight sets :awww: good try though from amer, hopefully he'll keep up the hard work and end the year well :)

partygirl
10-02-2008, 11:05 PM
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/sad030.gif

Deboogle!.
10-30-2008, 04:12 AM
Amer lost in the first round of the Louisville challenger to Peter Polansky in a 3rd set TB :(

Deboogle!.
11-02-2008, 05:01 AM
amer's #8 seed in next week's nashville draw, but his quarter is very tough :awww:

DartMarcus
11-02-2008, 06:03 AM
Amer Delic USA [8] vs. Sam Warburg USA
Q vs. Somdev Devvarman IND
Giovanni Lapentti ECU vs. Zack Fleishman USA [WC]
Tim Smyczek USA [WC] vs. Jesse Levine USA [3]

cobalt60
11-03-2008, 12:16 AM
yuck draw.

DartMarcus
11-03-2008, 07:12 AM
I expect Amer either win the whole thing either lose in 1st round.

Deboogle!.
11-05-2008, 02:47 AM
sadly you were right, he lost to Warburg in straights:o

DartMarcus
11-05-2008, 12:24 PM
Poor Amer :sad:

Deboogle!.
11-12-2008, 02:25 PM
And he lost to Warburg again this week in Champaign's first round :o I believe Amer has won this challenger before, so that is not a good loss :o Not ending the year well at all :(

TankingTheSet
11-15-2008, 04:01 AM
I recently read something about the commercial surgery called "ETS" which is used to cure excessive sweating in the hands amongst other things. I then realized Delic had this surgery, which shocked me. The surgery is very effective in stopping sweating in the hand and other areas, but it is very drastic in the sense that it destroys a large part of the autonomic nervous system in the body, which has effects on a very large number of organs and body parts, most of them negative. Especially for a sportsman it may cause problems. I hope this is not the case for Amer because that would be some nasty shit to take.

jmf07
11-15-2008, 12:00 PM
I recently read something about the commercial surgery called "ETS" which is used to cure excessive sweating in the hands amongst other things. I then realized Delic had this surgery, which shocked me. The surgery is very effective in stopping sweating in the hand and other areas, but it is very drastic in the sense that it destroys a large part of the autonomic nervous system in the body, which has effects on a very large number of organs and body parts, most of them negative. Especially for a sportsman it may cause problems. I hope this is not the case for Amer because that would be some nasty shit to take.

Yeah the post just made me read a little bit about it and it does seem pretty nasty and has even been banned in some countries.

Deboogle!.
11-16-2008, 06:49 AM
yikes,. well one would hope and assume that amer's smart enough (he seems it anyway) to have done his research before he did this. hopefully he is ok and hasn't suffered any of these bad side effects :awww:

cobalt60
11-16-2008, 01:49 PM
My understanding is that ETS is only used as a last resort and that most of the drawbacks/risks occur at the time of the surgery. I have yet to read about any long term risks and it DOES NOT destroy "a lot of the autonomic nervous system". It is microsurgery and typically only involves destroying one to two levels of the thoracic sympathetic chain.
It has been used for over a decade with excellent results and minimal acute complications. No where in my reading did I read about any longterm complications that would hurt a sportsman.
I am sure Amer was counseled properly.

Deboogle!.
11-16-2008, 03:36 PM
Dr. Sue to the rescue :worship: thanks :)

TankingTheSet
11-16-2008, 04:20 PM
My understanding is that ETS is only used as a last resort and that most of the drawbacks/risks occur at the time of the surgery. I have yet to read about any long term risks and it DOES NOT destroy "a lot of the autonomic nervous system". It is microsurgery and typically only involves destroying one to two levels of the thoracic sympathetic chain.
It has been used for over a decade with excellent results and minimal acute complications. No where in my reading did I read about any longterm complications that would hurt a sportsman.
I am sure Amer was counseled properly.

From reading Amer's blog/website he was well aware of possible negative side-effects so it was a conscious decision to have the surgery.

There have been very few thorough medical studies on the subject. The surgery is notable for commercial private doctors in the US that have been actively solliciting patients. There has been a backlash against this surgery by people who suffered long-term side-effects that have started a large number of "warning/support" websites against ETS with full description of the long-term negative side-effects.

The Swedish doctor who pioneered the surgery stopped doing it and has now dedicated his career to tying to help people who suffer long-term side effects, and it has been banned in Sweden.

When thinking of possible drawbacks to a sportsman, I am considering for example the fact that the surgery destroys the sympathetic autonomic nervous system connection to the heart, which could interfere with the regulation of heart rate for excersize (sprints etc).

cobalt60
11-16-2008, 05:04 PM
From reading Amer's blog/website he was well aware of possible negative side-effects so it was a conscious decision to have the surgery.

There have been very few thorough medical studies on the subject. The surgery is notable for commercial private doctors in the US that have been actively solliciting patients. There has been a backlash against this surgery by people who suffered long-term side-effects that have started a large number of "warning/support" websites against ETS with full description of the long-term negative side-effects.

The Swedish doctor who pioneered the surgery stopped doing it and has now dedicated his career to tying to help people who suffer long-term side effects, and it has been banned in Sweden.

When thinking of possible drawbacks to a sportsman, I am considering for example the fact that the surgery destroys the sympathetic autonomic nervous system connection to the heart, which could interfere with the regulation of heart rate for excersize (sprints etc).

Actually many of the centers I know about are in academic centers with a long history of performing the surgery. I am always leary of so called "warning websites" in this regard. And the surgery when done right ;) only cuts off the
thoracic sympathetic chain number 3 and rarely also number 4. This of itself should not affect the heart rate. Since I am well aware of how the medical system in this country works; I am extremely doubtful that any surgeon would ever perform this on anyone in this present climate of " sue the bastard" here in the states let alone on a sportsman. Not sure I understand where you get your information. Anyway I am quite done on this subject :lol:

TankingTheSet
11-16-2008, 05:48 PM
Actually many of the centers I know about are in academic centers with a long history of performing the surgery. I am always leary of so called "warning websites" in this regard. And the surgery when done right ;) only cuts off the
thoracic sympathetic chain number 3 and rarely also number 4. This of itself should not affect the heart rate. Since I am well aware of how the medical system in this country works; I am extremely doubtful that any surgeon would ever perform this on anyone in this present climate of " sue the bastard" here in the states let alone on a sportsman. Not sure I understand where you get your information. Anyway I am quite done on this subject :lol:

Well, I admit to using Wikipedia's description, which certainly suggests that the surgery is not without controversy and there is a difference of opinion even in the medical field. When performed by academic centers on delibitated patients (who suffer from severe social/psychological problems associated with hyperhidrosis or social fobia) certainly I can imagine that the positive effects of the surgery far outweigh the negative. But it doesn't quite seem to be the minor surgery with limited side-effects that is sometimes portrayed.

The history of medicine is filled with treatment strategies and methods that at one time were considered benign and highly effective and later discredited. I'm not saying ETS is all bad, but there's certain reason for caution.

TankingTheSet
11-16-2008, 06:55 PM
Since I am well aware of how the medical system in this country works; I am extremely doubtful that any surgeon would ever perform this on anyone in this present climate of " sue the bastard" here in the states let alone on a sportsman.

I think the surgery at the moment has an "approval" rating for certain indications by the governmental medical authorities in the US, and is generally reimbursed and covered by insurance. As long as a doctor documents a condition for which the surgery is officially indicated among his patients, he will feel legally protected since most of the blame would fall on the authorities in the event of a legal backlash.

Deboogle!.
11-16-2008, 06:56 PM
Well, no, people here still go after the doctor too, if anything happens :lol:

TankingTheSet
11-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Well, no, people here still go after the doctor too, if anything happens :lol:

Yes, I did have the impression that lawyers and lawsuits are 10x-100x more common in the US compared to Europe for example. :lol: But I think what it is issue here is primarily vague long-term complications (5-20 years) rather than immediate complications due to surgery. In Sweden the surgery was introduced 10-15 years before the US and there was a lot more experience with long-term side-effects and patient satisfaction and subsequent controversy and eventually outlawing of the surgery. If the Swedish experience is anything to go by I suspect in 5 to 15 years there will be more controversy and litigation related to the long-term effects of the surgery in the US, especially related the subset of doctors that are actively commercializing and soliciting patients for the surgery.

cobalt60
11-16-2008, 09:13 PM
I think the surgery at the moment has an "approval" rating for certain indications by the governmental medical authorities in the US, and is generally reimbursed and covered by insurance. As long as a doctor documents a condition for which the surgery is officially indicated among his patients, he will feel legally protected since most of the blame would fall on the authorities in the event of a legal backlash.

You obviously do not live in the US nor are you part of the medical system.
Doctors get sued and lose all the time even when the case is poorly substantiated.

Deboogle!.
11-16-2008, 09:21 PM
Yes, I did have the impression that lawyers and lawsuits are 10x-100x more common in the US compared to Europe for example. :lol: But I think what it is issue here is primarily vague long-term complications (5-20 years) rather than immediate complications due to surgery. In Sweden the surgery was introduced 10-15 years before the US and there was a lot more experience with long-term side-effects and patient satisfaction and subsequent controversy and eventually outlawing of the surgery. If the Swedish experience is anything to go by I suspect in 5 to 15 years there will be more controversy and litigation related to the long-term effects of the surgery in the US, especially related the subset of doctors that are actively commercializing and soliciting patients for the surgery.I forget exactly, but I believe it was Germany that is even more litigious than the US. the US is bad for some things, but not for others, so you can't lump all of Europe together ;) Sweden functions in a very different way from the US legally-speaking (and i'm sure medically-speaking), so I dunno if you can draw too many parallels. You may very well be right but it's impossible to say.

You obviously do not live in the US nor are you part of the medical system.
Doctors get sued and lose all the time even when the case is poorly substantiated.:hug:

cobalt60
11-16-2008, 10:07 PM
I forget exactly, but I believe it was Germany that is even more litigious than the US. the US is bad for some things, but not for others, so you can't lump all of Europe together ;) Sweden functions in a very different way from the US legally-speaking (and i'm sure medically-speaking), so I dunno if you can draw too many parallels. You may very well be right but it's impossible to say.

:hug:

No need for a hug here; I have never been sued;) The best defense against a lawsuit is having a very strong bond/relationship with your patients; and knowing what the hell you are doing;)

Deboogle!.
11-16-2008, 10:47 PM
Of course you have never been sued, I would be shocked to find out otherwise ;) Still, I know what it's like to be in a profession that gets misunderstood a lot so my :hug: still stands for you ;):)

TankingTheSet
11-17-2008, 05:08 AM
You obviously do not live in the US nor are you part of the medical system.
Doctors get sued and lose all the time even when the case is poorly substantiated.

I guess this means as a doctor in the US you have to pay an extremely high insurance premium to protect yourself?

I am not a medical professional but the situation is quite a bit different in the Netherlands as far I can discern:

- Legal cases in the regular courts are very rare. It is very difficult to prove a claim (note that there is no jury in our legal system).
- Doctors generally still enjoy a high level of immunity in the legal system and are highly esteemed, which is due to the legacy of being part of the historical elite.
- There is a court of medical arbitration but it only concerns itself with disciplinary action against negligent or incompetent doctors and does not award compensation to victims. In the vast majority of cases the doctor is not found to be in error.
- Doctors generally do not report errors and medical errors are often covered up, not mentioned in medical records and hospital staff do not report on colleagues.
- Doctors are highly organized in trade organizations and protected by the legal entity of the hospital.
- Until recently the concept of errors being made (especially in a hospital setting) was virtually unheard of.
- General Practitioners are open to discussion with patients and more vulnerable to criticism but in general medical specialists (including surgeons) have their practice in hospitals and are held in high esteem, often authoritarian to patients and other hospital staff, highly legally protected, make a lot of money (much more than all other hospital staff), and considered virtually infallible.

I think the more emancipated position of doctors like in the US is better in many ways (they are considered professionals, not an untouchable part of the elite), but being inundated in legal suits is the other extreme. I think a big drawback of the Dutch system is that incompetent doctors (especially specialists) will often not be identified in their protected position and continue to practice. There is very little public information about the relative merits, success rate or experience of doctors.

TankingTheSet
11-27-2008, 12:28 AM
I should make a commment on my previous message, I had a discussion with Stupid Dream afterwards who knows a lot about the subject, and she confirmed what I outlined in the message. She also illustrated the key point, however, which is that the Dutch (medical) legal system deviates a lot from even some neighbouring European countries. What is comes down to is that the Dutch legal system retains a lot of archaic heritage that is still providing a lot of legal protection/immunity to the historical "elite". In this context the "elite" includes professions like doctors, the legal profession itself, and notaries (which are still legally required for many types of transactions and charge indiscriminate fees).

Observe that the Netherlands is virtually the only country where there is no jury-based law whatsoever. Law is adminstered by the "elite" itself, which may explain why over time the legal system has resisted changes that would reduce the legal immunity of the elite.

DartMarcus
01-02-2009, 04:36 PM
Should we create Amer 2009 cheering thread?
Amer starts the season in Brisbane qualies and plays The Allmighty Gooch in first round. It gonna be difficult match, as Guccione is always strong in Australia.
His part of the draw:
(4)BELLUCCI, Thomaz BRA vs BALL, Carsten AUS
ISNER, John USA vs STOPPINI, Andrea ITA
CRUGNOLA, Marco ITA vs (WC)VERRYTH, Mark AUS
DELIC, Amer USA vs (7)GUCCIONE, Chris AUS

Deboogle!.
01-02-2009, 04:45 PM
Yes we should, why don't you do it :) Tough match for him :awww:

cobalt60
01-04-2009, 12:51 AM
Yes we should, why don't you do it :) Tough match for him :awww:

Very tough on a fast surface with the Gooch serve. And of course all of Gooch's MTF fans to cheer him on :lol:

Deboogle!.
01-04-2009, 02:52 AM
6-4 7-5 over Guccione :banana:

cobalt60
01-04-2009, 02:58 AM
:yeah:
I am pleasantly surprised actually :lol: