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A note about this forum--PLEASE READ

NYCtennisfan
08-07-2008, 06:54 PM
Hi all,

As you know, I don't interfere all that much with what goes on in this forum. Compared to other moderators, I hardly do anything other than create a sticky or two and maybe dissuade a troll or two from posting. Other than that, we have great discussions here where a LOT of tennis is talked.

Over the past 4 or 5 months, there have been subtle changes to the forum's 'environment' which has been on the mind of several posters. Many posters feel that the forum focuses and allows too much discussion about other players which would not be tolerated in other forums i.e. talk about how great Federer is in the Roddick forum or Djokovic or Nadal forums. Many posters feel that this forum is their one sanctuary, especially lately when all the wolves have been out for Roger.

So I'm making a request. Discussion is fine, but please keep in mind that this is a FEDERER forum first--NOT a free discussion forum, not a Fedal forum, not a X, Y, Z forum. This should be a place where Federer fans should have to read things that one may find in other forums or in GM. Please be sensitive to this. A lot of posters have requested me to make this request, but didn't want to go public with it.

This is one of if not the best place for tennis discussion so hopefully it stays that way. It should also be a place for Federer fans to feel comfortable being a Federer fan without being criticized for it.

All thoughts, like always, are welcome. :)

Alex

didadida
08-08-2008, 02:09 PM
:worship: thanks Alex for starting this thread,you've said what most of us was thinking of :angel:

rofe
08-08-2008, 02:30 PM
:yeah:

MissMoJo
08-08-2008, 04:16 PM
Hi all,

As you know, I don't interfere all that much with what goes on in this forum. Compared to other moderators, I hardly do anything other than create a sticky or two and maybe dissuade a troll or two from posting. Other than that, we have great discussions here where a LOT of tennis is talked.

Over the past 4 or 5 months, there have been subtle changes to the forum's 'environment' which has been on the mind of several posters. Many posters feel that the forum focuses and allows too much discussion about other players which would not be tolerated in other forums i.e. talk about how great Federer is in the Roddick forum or Djokovic or Nadal forums. Many posters feel that this forum is their one sanctuary, especially lately when all the wolves have been out for Roger.

So I'm making a request. Discussion is fine, but please keep in mind that this is a FEDERER forum first--NOT a free discussion forum, not a Fedal forum, not a X, Y, Z forum. This should be a place where Federer fans should have to read things that one may find in other forums or in GM. Please be sensitive to this. A lot of posters have requested me to make this request, but didn't want to go public with it.

This is one of if not the best place for tennis discussion so hopefully it stays that way. It should also be a place for Federer fans to feel comfortable being a Federer fan without being criticized for it.

All thoughts, like always, are welcome. :)

Alex

THANK YOU.
Nice moderating :)

Nymeria
08-08-2008, 05:04 PM
Thanks a lot Alex :) it's good that a note like this is written

lunahielo
08-09-2008, 01:17 AM
Thank you so much, Alex...............I've been thinking this for a long time.
No disrespect to any other player~~~~~~~but this is Roger's place.
I hope it will stay that way! :)

Luna

Mrs. B
08-09-2008, 09:26 AM
Thanks, FedFoMo!

GO, ROGER!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Eden
08-09-2008, 11:28 AM
I'm sorry to hear that some people apparently doesn't seem to like the atmosphere in here and didn't wanted to mention it in public.
I'm on this forum for 2 years now and always considered the Federer Express as an excellent part of MTF because of the knowledge of people who can analyze the game so well (especially our moderator :) ) and also because of the input of everyone, may it be in sending positive vibes to Roger, posting an article or taking part in discussions in general.
We all know that this season hasn't been easy for Roger and also for us fans, but I don't doubt that there is anyone in here who isn't loyal to him or will stop supporting him, no matter how the future will be.
Roger has given us so many wonderful moments with his tennis and his achievements and we will all continue to follow his career.
I think it's up to everyone to bring himself into the forum. I know that members of a forum sometimes just like to read instead of taking part in discussions, but for those who would like to post we have several interesting threads to contribute.
I don't know how it will be possible to avoid to discuss the performances of players as Nadal, Djokovic or Murray.
On RF.com there is a thread for every Roger match and a tournament thread in general. Maybe we could think about having this here as well so that the people who just would like to read or discuss about Roger can go to the match thread and for discussions about the other players we use the tournament thread.

Hopefully those who didn't felt comfortable in here lately will enjoy the Federer Express again soon :)

FedFan
08-09-2008, 01:14 PM
Hi all,

As you know, I don't interfere all that much with what goes on in this forum. Compared to other moderators, I hardly do anything other than create a sticky or two and maybe dissuade a troll or two from posting. Other than that, we have great discussions here where a LOT of tennis is talked.

Over the past 4 or 5 months, there have been subtle changes to the forum's 'environment' which has been on the mind of several posters. Many posters feel that the forum focuses and allows too much discussion about other players which would not be tolerated in other forums i.e. talk about how great Federer is in the Roddick forum or Djokovic or Nadal forums. Many posters feel that this forum is their one sanctuary, especially lately when all the wolves have been out for Roger.

So I'm making a request. Discussion is fine, but please keep in mind that this is a FEDERER forum first--NOT a free discussion forum, not a Fedal forum, not a X, Y, Z forum. This should be a place where Federer fans should have to read things that one may find in other forums or in GM. Please be sensitive to this. A lot of posters have requested me to make this request, but didn't want to go public with it.

This is one of if not the best place for tennis discussion so hopefully it stays that way. It should also be a place for Federer fans to feel comfortable being a Federer fan without being criticized for it.

All thoughts, like always, are welcome. :)

Alex

This is a very reasonable request. Thanks for your interference! :worship:

Bad enough that the moderators in the GM-Section do nothing against the constant trolling of some users. It is a shame. :o

Nymeria
08-10-2008, 04:03 PM
We all know that this season hasn't been easy for Roger and also for us fans, but I don't doubt that there is anyone in here who isn't loyal to him or will stop supporting him, no matter how the future will be.
No doubt in that, but that is not the problem written in first post of this thread. Those who aren't loyal, are not even supposed to be in this part of the forum.

Roger has given us so many wonderful moments with his tennis and his achievements and we will all continue to follow his career.
I think it's up to everyone to bring himself into the forum. I know that members of a forum sometimes just like to read instead of taking part in discussions, but for those who would like to post we have several interesting threads to contribute.
I am more a reader than a poster as well, lately I didn't even like reading the threads anymore... and that's only something of the past months. But I understand why many didn't feel like posting anymore, this is not just a Federer forum anymore.

I don't know how it will be possible to avoid to discuss the performances of players as Nadal, Djokovic or Murray.
It is not a problem to mention them, it's impossible not to mention their performances, after all they participate in the same tournaments, they are regularly opponents of Roger. BUT it should not be a place to cheer for those players... to support them, mentioning how great they are... they have their own forums/threads to do that. Esp. with Roger losing more, like this year, it's quite logical his fans are not too happy with people supporting Nadal in FEDERER's forum. They are not happy people bring Nadal on topic in about every thread. And those loyal fans have sadly left, and I've seen many of them, who have been here in the past (six!) years I've been here, leaving in the past months.

On RF.com there is a thread for every Roger match and a tournament thread in general. Maybe we could think about having this here as well so that the people who just would like to read or discuss about Roger can go to the match thread and for discussions about the other players we use the tournament thread.
Are you really telling us that the real fed fans have to stay away in a part of the fed forum? How would that solve the problem? I really cannot follow you here. There is GM, there are own player forums, there are plenty of threads away from the Federer forum where those players can be discussed.
Also those who only support Roger want to visit tournament threads... so those as well should be a thread for everybody to read.

Hopefully those who didn't felt comfortable in here lately will enjoy the Federer Express again soon :)
Thanks, but seems you dont support the mod's request. That disppoints me, because I know you are a 100% Fed-fan as well.

elessar
08-10-2008, 05:04 PM
I think there was a misunderstanding about what Eden says, she simply proposed that we create two threads every tournament in this very forum, one only for supporting Roger and another to talk about other players. I personally agree with her, I understand that I may not be in the majority here so I have no problem accepting this change though.

I don't think cheering for another player in this forum is really inappropriate (unless he's playing Roger of course...) I'm guessing it's more the Nadal love that bothers people here but I haven't really seen too much of that :shrug: Anyway I'm sorry people aren't feeling comfortable posting here, it's not exactly the easiest time for Roger fans at the moment and we're all a little more sensitive than we usually are.

Let's hope Roger does well at the OG and we can all forget about it :D

Nymeria
08-10-2008, 05:19 PM
I think there was a misunderstanding about what Eden says, she simply proposed that we create two threads every tournament in this very forum, one only for supporting Roger and another to talk about other players. I personally agree with her, I understand that I may not be in the majority here so I have no problem accepting this change though.
If so she did use the wrong words. But I still don't understand why we need a special thread for other players in Roger's forum? I as well like different players, but if I like to cheer for them or discuss them, I go to those forums... :shrug:

Let's hope Roger does well at the OG and we can all forget about it :D

Do you think this will be forgotten and those 'scared away' Rogerfans will feel home again when Roger plays a good tournament? Hopeful way of thinking, I doubt it will be so...

elessar
08-10-2008, 05:41 PM
If so she did use the wrong words. But I still don't understand why we need a special thread for other players in Roger's forum? I as well like different players, but if I like to cheer for them or discuss them, I go to those forums... :shrug:
I think it's a matter of opinion.
Some posters just prefer to stick to the Roger forum because they feel comfortable here (shocking, I know), sometimes they like to discuss other players, I just don't see what the big deal is. We're not just Roger fans here we're also tennis fans, as long as it's not obnoxious cheering or trolling I don't have a problem with it. But as I said some people obviously have and it's not for me to decide how this forum should be run.
Do you think this will be forgotten and those 'scared away' Rogerfans will feel home again when Roger plays a good tournament? Hopeful way of thinking, I doubt it will be so...
I'm not looking to pick a fight, but let's not exaggerate here :lol:. Could you please point out to me all those posts that were so bad it drove away all the Rogerfans ?

And yes I do think this issue never would have come up had Roger been having a season similar to 2006.

nobama
08-10-2008, 05:56 PM
MTF just needs to create a fedal forum and then RogerRafa :hearts: fans can have a place to hang out. :)

Nymeria
08-10-2008, 05:56 PM
I think it's a matter of opinion.
Some posters just prefer to stick to the Roger forum because they feel comfortable here (shocking, I know), sometimes they like to discuss other players, I just don't see what the big deal is. We're not just Roger fans here we're also tennis fans, as long as it's not obnoxious cheering or trolling I don't have a problem with it. But as I said some people obviously have and it's not for me to decide how this forum should be run.
This is what Doris wrote:
On RF.com there is a thread for every Roger match and a tournament thread in general. Maybe we could think about having this here as well so that the people who just would like to read or discuss about Roger can go to the match thread and for discussions about the other players we use the tournament thread.
Well that means the fans for people not cheering for other players and are unhappy by those posts can only visit match threads? Not tournament threads? While often in tournament threads are interested articles posted. So those fans would like to visit it.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, but let's not exaggerate here :lol:. Could you please point out to me all those posts that were so bad it drove away all the Rogerfans ?

And yes I do think this issue never would have come up had Roger been having a season similar to 2006.

I can find them for you, there are plenty of examples, but if you are not by something you don't see it and you don't see it as negative. I've noticed that before in things I found possitive and others commented on me. (not on mtf btw.) So it would be a useless way to spend my time. But it starts often already on threadtitles. For me that means. Here I can give an example... why use a title as "We'll never have paris, but...." (don't remember the whole title) why use that in a Fed forum? You never know if we will never have it. And esp. such threadtitle in a place where many Fedal's post, didn't make me like it more. (but this is a personal opinion)

It would for me...

Nymeria
08-10-2008, 05:57 PM
MTF just needs to create a fedal forum and then RogerRafa :hearts: fans can have a place to hang out. :)

Maybe a good solution :lol:

elessar
08-10-2008, 06:12 PM
MTF just needs to create a fedal forum and then RogerRafa :hearts: fans can have a place to hang out. :)
:lol:
I'm gonna suggest it to BG :inlove:
This is what Doris wrote:

Well that means the fans for people not cheering for other players and are unhappy by those posts can only visit match threads? Not tournament threads? While often in tournament threads are interested articles posted. So those fans would like to visit it.
I think she meant two tournament threads : one for Roger and one to also discuss other players, I see how it can be otherwise interpreted so we'll just have to ask her when she comes back.
I can find them for you, there are plenty of examples, but if you are not by something you don't see it and you don't see it as negative. I've noticed that before in things I found possitive and others commented on me. (not on mtf btw.) So it would be a useless way to spend my time. But it starts often already on threadtitles. For me that means. Here I can give an example... why use a title as "We'll never have paris, but...." (don't remember the whole title) why use that in a Fed forum? You never know if we will never have it. And esp. such threadtitle in a place where many Fedal's post, didn't make me like it more. (but this is a personal opinion)

It would for me...

There is only one, maybe two fedal fans posting there :lol: That's WG and Karin (who for your information doesn't even post in the Nadal forum anymore). Tournament threads title are not to be taken seriously it's often just a way of dedramatizing the situation or just expressing our frustration.

As for the "we'll never have Paris" it was just a joke reference to the famous "we'll always have paris" from Bogart in Casablanca. I won't talk about this anymore because we obviously view things differently so it's a bit pointless.

Mrs. B
08-10-2008, 06:33 PM
MTF 2003-2005, when Roger owned Roddick, i can relate to the Ducktards now when some Fedtards went to his forum and rubbed it on their faces. :lol:

It's unavoidable to discuss Nadal, Djoko et al, esp when Roger plays them and the match gets analyzed by the experts, but to sing praises of Nadal here on a regular basis (it's Roger's forum, no?) i am getting too much cholesterol on all that pig talk. :p stick to the tennis talk, yes. and lately there has been an influx of 'other' fans who were never here before. i know it's a public message board but there are forums for particular players all over mtf, why troll on Roger's forum all of a sudden?

as for creating threads similar to rf.com, why don't we just make RonE's match report thread a sticky then the current match can be discussed there, and as usual, someone starts a particular tournament thread like it's always been, i don't see the need to change this.

Eden
08-10-2008, 06:37 PM
I am more a reader than a poster as well, lately I didn't even like reading the threads anymore... and that's only something of the past months. But I understand why many didn't feel like posting anymore, this is not just a Federer forum anymore.

But thatís exactly the point I wanted to make, Yvo. Itís up to all people to change the forum when they contribute to it. Do you think it helps not to post and to remain quiet?


It is not a problem to mention them, it's impossible not to mention their performances, after all they participate in the same tournaments, they are regularly opponents of Roger. BUT it should not be a place to cheer for those players... to support them, mentioning how great they are... they have their own forums/threads to do that. Esp. with Roger losing more, like this year, it's quite logical his fans are not too happy with people supporting Nadal in FEDERER's forum. They are not happy people bring Nadal on topic in about every thread. And those loyal fans have sadly left, and I've seen many of them, who have been here in the past (six!) years I've been here, leaving in the past months.

Itís not just the case that the name Nadal is brought up from people who like him. There are also comments posted from people who donít like him.

Nadal has his best year of his career and has played a few matches against Roger this season, so itís obvious that there is some discussion about him. It would be the same when Roger would have played 4 times against Roddick, Safin or Djokovic.

The same happens on RF.com. Iím mainly just on the German part there and nearly every thread ends up in mentioning Nadal. (Puschkin can confirm this)

I canít say anything about most of the fans you mentioned who have left. I just know from some that they donít have time for MTF anymore.

A forum is always a place where things change. New people are joining, other topics are discussed.

Are you really telling us that the real fed fans have to stay away in a part of the fed forum? How would that solve the problem? I really cannot follow you here. There is GM, there are own player forums, there are plenty of threads away from the Federer forum where those players can be discussed.
Also those who only support Roger want to visit tournament threads... so those as well should be a thread for everybody to read.

Of course I donít meant it that fans have to stay away from parts of the forum, but for example a general tournament thread would maybe solve the problem that a comment from Nadal or Djokovic is posted in the Roger match thread or a discussion about other players.

I donít know which Roger fan even goes to GM anymore to post in a thread about him there.

Thanks, but seems you dont support the mod's request. That disppoints me, because I know you are a 100% Fed-fan as well.

How did you got the impression I donít support Alexí request?

I respect the feeling that people donít like the atmosphere in here anymore and want a change.

Iím already regretting that I even said something. Iím not good enough with my English to express myself on such a serious issue.

Or Levy
08-10-2008, 06:46 PM
I have to say, that I am more bothered by the "Roger will never win another GS" and "His backhand is completely gone now" and that sort of thing after each and every time he losses, than the Fedal love. But maybe that's just me...

I don't know, call me a tard, but that's depressing the hell out of me.

Eden
08-10-2008, 06:50 PM
MTF just needs to create a fedal forum and then RogerRafa :hearts: fans can have a place to hang out. :)

George already wanted this one a long time ago ;)

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=72914

Nymeria
08-10-2008, 06:56 PM
But thatís exactly the point I wanted to make, Yvo. Itís up to all people to change the forum when they contribute to it. Do you think it helps not to post and to remain quiet?
If there is a negative atmosphere felt in a specific place, you don't really feel like going there... I as well had the feeling it wouldn't change anymore, I did hardly read those other threads, and when I did, I did again feel negative about the posts. So I left again. I am glad a thread liked this is started.



Itís not just the case that the name Nadal is brought up from people who like him. There are also comments posted from people who donít like him.

Nadal has his best year of his career and has played a few matches against Roger this season, so itís obvious that there is some discussion about him. It would be the same when Roger would have played 4 times against Roddick, Safin or Djokovic.
But it's not just discussions about him here... I don't have the feeling being in a Federer forum here anymore.

The same happens on RF.com. Iím mainly just on the German part there and nearly every thread ends up in mentioning Nadal. (Puschkin can confirm this)
So if it is accepted at rf.com, it should be accepted here? :shrug: rf.com has always been different to mtf, and I am glad it was, because I liked mtf a lot more!



Of course I donít meant it that fans have to stay away from parts of the forum, but for example a general tournament thread would maybe solve the problem that a comment from Nadal or Djokovic is posted in the Roger match thread or a discussion about other players.
But I think it would, people would feel in those threads it's still the way it was, why they left. And I doubt they would like to come back to post in other threads. And I still don't understand, why there should be a tournament threads for other players in Fed's forum. I know you have to mention other players as well during tournaments, but that's not what I do mind...



How did you got the impression I donít support Alexí request?

I respect the feeling that people donít like the atmosphere in here anymore and want a change.

Iím already regretting that I even said something. Iím not good enough with my English to express myself on such a serious issue.

It can be a misunderstanding, because both of us don't have English as first language. (though I've never had the idea our English had influence in understanding each other) But in your post I feel you would like it to stay the way it is, the solution you wrote about is still in favor of the way it goes now. To give those who post the way it goes now, get the "bigger' tournament threads, while the other fans only get the "smaller" match threads.

nobama
08-10-2008, 07:20 PM
I have to say, that I am more bothered by the "Roger will never win another GS" and "His backhand is completely gone now" and that sort of thing after each and every time he losses, than the Fedal love. But maybe that's just me...

I don't know, call me a tard, but that's depressing the hell out of me.
No it's not just you. Seems to me there can be overreaction when Roger looses thes days. And all of a sudden we start hearing that someone's granny moves better than Roger does which is ridiculous of course. :rolleyes:

Eden
08-10-2008, 07:22 PM
It can be a misunderstanding, because both of us don't have English as first language. (though I've never had the idea our English had influence in understanding each other) But in your post I feel you would like it to stay the way it is, the solution you wrote about is still in favor of the way it goes now. To give those who post the way it goes now, get the "bigger' tournament threads, while the other fans only get the "smaller" match threads.

I don't have a problem with a change of the forum or if it stays as it is. I just like this forum and the people in here :)

I don't agree with everything what it's written in here or am interested in every thread, but it's still up to me to ignore certain posts or don't read a thread.

wildegirl05
08-10-2008, 08:20 PM
MTF just needs to create a fedal forum and then RogerRafa :hearts: fans can have a place to hang out. :)

Maybe a good solution :lol:

separate but equal :worship: :inlove:


i don't even post here that often but it's funny to see everyone so up in arms about "fedals".

the only rule i could find remotely on topic supporting this is

(4) Do not go into a player's forum to bash that player or troll the forum. These are the areas where fans of a player can be "safe". If such behavior continues, it will result in warnings and being banned from posting in that particular forum or MTF as a whole.

it must surely take a very liberal interpretation of "trolling" to assume that someone saying "nadal played well" or "nadal is a good player" is trolling this forum or creating an unfriendly atmosphere for roger fans.

claire, you forgot scoobs. he's a fedal fan who posts here regularly. atleast much more regularly than me :)

Puschkin
08-10-2008, 09:08 PM
Frankly, I am a bit lost what you are talking about. As had been said by somebody else, this forum consists of some very knowledgable people and I like to read their comments and views on matches Roger is not involved in. Roger is not playing in a vacuum and discussing his opponents and their performances is part of following the game.

anon57
08-10-2008, 09:28 PM
I must admit I'm slightly confused about what is classified as excessive praising and what is just analysis of a match. If after or before a match, the positives of Federer's opponents are discussed to me this is just analysis and if there's random posts about Federer's opponent here in the Fed forum this is more praising or gloating, and I guess I just haven't noticed any really gloating or supporting other players during Roger's matches. During discussions about Roger's matches there have been positive posts about his opponents but if his opponent is playing well or doing certain things well to me there can't be a balanced discussion without mentioning this as well.

neenah
08-11-2008, 12:21 AM
claire, you forgot scoobs. he's a fedal fan who posts here regularly. atleast much more regularly than me :)

I'd also like to get my name out there as a "Fedal fan". :) I haven't posted here much lately because I was on vacation, but I'll pop in every now and then. I remember a bad discussion about two weeks ago where some poster found it absurd that anyone could be a fan of Federer and Nadal. To me, a post like that is worse than a post that praises both players. I, for probably the first time on MTF, chose to argue with a poster - I usually keep my mouth shut because I know it's just an Internet forum. :p I can see how the discussion was out-of-place though. It shouldn't have been brought up in the first place.

rofe
08-11-2008, 01:41 AM
This is a Fed forum first so I think being overly critical of Fed in absolute terms or being overly critical of him relative to player X, Y or Z should be backed up with arguments supporting that assertion. I don't think someone should say, "Fed sucks" without supporting arguments.

Also, posts that are personal attacks against anyone here should be immediately deleted with the possibility of a ban for that poster depending on the nature of the attack. This includes for example, Fed fans attacking Fedal fans.

I think that if these two simple rules are followed, we can retain the harmony that has made this sub-forum one of the best ones on MTF.

Sunset of Age
08-11-2008, 10:48 AM
Sorry, correct me if I'm wrong about this, but are those posters who 'aren't feeling comfortable at the Fed forum anymore' talking about posters like me? Yes, I am a Fedal fan, but as anyone should have been able to notice, my allegiance lies with Roger first and foremost, especially because he now seems to need the support more than ever.

When talking about tennis it is inevitable that other players' names are mentioned, sometimes even in a positive sense (:eek: :p). The reason why I post HERE and barely anywhere else is because I thought the people over here were more open minded and didn't see admiring a 'hated' player as sort-of a crime. Apparently I was wrong about that.

My positive posts about RN (I barely dare mentioning his name anymore) have never been in reference to any 'downgrading' of Roger. Rather the contrary - in most occasions, my 'defences' (if you even call it that, as I well remember that a lot of my defences were actually being laughed about in another forum, which name I won't even utter here) of RN were in reply to unnecessary attacks of him. Yes, I am also guilty of posting quite a few quotes of his, in which he expresses his respect and appreciation for Roger - alas, is that also 'wrong'? :confused: :shrug:

Perhaps a Fedal Forum is an idea, but I have my doubts. There used to be a lovely Fedal community at LJ, but barely anyone posts there anymore, as everyone seemed to have jumped on the Fedal Slash community - which is okay with me, but not all Fedal fans are slashers, and as such, not everybody feels comfortable there.
If a Fedal Forum should be created over here at MTF I hope that it will be a respectful place, where serious discussion is encouraged. I'm all for that. Actually, I've thought about creating it myself, but as I am a sensitive person I didn't feel the right person to do so. I've had enough bashing as it is, to be honest.

Coming back from a hiatus seeing this discussion was quite a shock for me. I really didn't have any idea that it was such a issue to some. Just a last note from me: if ever anyone feels like a post of mine is out of place, do INFORM me personally in stead of taking it up with the mods. It's easy to do: that's what the repping button is for. At least in that case I KNOW what the trouble is, and can take appropriate measures, which in certain occasions might well mean deleting my post.

I hope this will become sorted out in such a way that everybody can be happy with this forum again.

EDIT: some inappropriate wording removed.

Puschkin
08-11-2008, 11:30 AM
Sorry, correct me if I'm wrong about this, but are those posters who 'aren't feeling comfortable at the Fed forum anymore' talking about posters like me?

I understand your embarrassement. And though the whole issue evolved about Rafa, I wonder which player will be the next one, about whom we should not talk about here anymore.

I might sound harsh, but some people here seem to overreact. Giving credit to Roger's opponent's, watching other matches than his and talking about it (:eek:), is not at all disrespect for Roger, but respect for the game.

And an occasional critical comment in the "master's" performance is not a crime either. Otherwise, we are not fans, but blind worshippers.

bokehlicious
08-11-2008, 12:40 PM
I understand your embarrassement. And though the whole issue evolved about Rafa, I wonder which player will be the next one, about whom we should not talk about here anymore.

I might sound harsh, but some people here seem to overreact. Giving credit to Roger's opponent's, watching other matches than his and talking about it (:eek:), is not at all disrespect for Roger, but respect for the game.

And an occasional critical comment in the "master's" performance is not a crime either. Otherwise, we are not fans, but blind worshippers.

There's way too many people worshipping Richard on here as well :(


:o :p :p

Sunset of Age
08-11-2008, 12:47 PM
There's way too many people worshipping Richard on here as well :(


:o :p :p

:lol: And Muzza. :( :( :(

Puschkin
08-11-2008, 01:24 PM
There's way too many people worshipping Richard on here as well :(

:lol: And Muzza. :( :( :(

Both are much more bashed by their own "fans" than Roger could ever dream of.

Stevens Point
08-11-2008, 02:35 PM
I also simply want to say thank you to NYCtennisfan for the statement, as the first 6 repliers did.

I am not saying what we should do, but want to use this place as an opportunity to express my feeling about this forum in some simple words.
I consider myself as, one of the posters who used to post in many Roger related threads here in Fed Forum, but feel uncomfortable even going to those threads recently. I cannot really tell what makes me feel uncomfortable, and I feel so since sometime last year. Maybe those things discussed here right now might be the reason, but not sure. But, it is true, I feel uncomfortable. Until 1-2 years ago, I felt this place was a fun. I got along with so many posters. But, a lot of those posters have left as well for some reason, probably they also felt uncomfortable.

Puschkin
08-11-2008, 02:51 PM
I cannot really tell what makes me feel uncomfortable, and I feel so since sometime last year. Maybe those things discussed here right now might be the reason, but not sure. But, it is true, I feel uncomfortable. Until 1-2 years ago, I felt this place was a fun. I got along with so many posters. But, a lot of those posters have left as well for some reason, probably they also felt uncomfortable.

It is easy to be funny and tolerant when things are going fine. Everybody just bathed in harmony in Roger's glory. But Roger isn't winning everything anymore. There is a chink in the armour. Critique is voiced, justified and unjustified one. But instead of feeeling uncomfortable and trying to shut out everything which does not suit the glorious image, loyal, but balanced discussions should go on. This is at least what adults do, when things get tough.

Sunset of Age
08-11-2008, 03:09 PM
It is easy to be funny and tolerant when things are going fine. Everybody just bathed in harmony in Roger's glory. But Roger isn't winning everything anymore. There is a chink in the armour. Critique is voiced, justified and unjustified one. But instead of feeeling uncomfortable and trying to shut out everything which does not suit the glorious image, loyal, but balanced discussions should go on. This is at least what adults do, when things get tough.

Well said, fully agree with you here... if balanced discussions on tennis become a no-no over here I don't think that would be an improvement at all.

Also, besides the (in 99% of cases well-meant) critique on Roger popping up, I don't get why people would feel uncomfortable at all - the vast majority of people being kind and positive, and - as I am talking about the chat thread now - discussions on a variety of subjects should be okay in a chat thread, no? :shrug:

People come and people go, because of losing interest, being busy in real life, etc.. That's the natural course of things on a forum. I think it's a bit unfair to blame it on the atmosphere in those threads, as I know plenty of 'disappeared' posters who just thought it appropriate for them to 'move on'...

Nymeria
08-11-2008, 05:36 PM
I understand your embarrassement. And though the whole issue evolved about Rafa, I wonder which player will be the next one, about whom we should not talk about here anymore.
It's not a specific player I am talking about. Yes, I am annoyed by Nadal-talks, because I don't like that player, but when people are talking about other players in here, I wouldn't like it either. I can understand people talk in possitive about their other faves, also in forums of other players. But there can be an overload, and that has happened in this forum...

I might sound harsh, but some people here seem to overreact. Giving credit to Roger's opponent's, watching other matches than his and talking about it (:eek:), is not at all disrespect for Roger, but respect for the game.
I know, that there is a respect for the game in this forum. But that's where is MTF for, GM, tournament forums, etc. You don't sound harsh, and I might overreact a little, but I really don't have the feeling this is a Fed forum anymore. And I've never had that feeling before in the past 6 years. And in those 6 years there were also other moments Roger had less good times, that he had tough opponents... so the fact about us overreacting because Roger is doing bad, had nothing to do with it for me.

I cannot really tell what makes me feel uncomfortable, and I feel so since sometime last year. Maybe those things discussed here right now might be the reason, but not sure. But, it is true, I feel uncomfortable. Until 1-2 years ago, I felt this place was a fun. I got along with so many posters. But, a lot of those posters have left as well for some reason, probably they also felt uncomfortable.
You are right. Once I go in defence I can make a bigger problem of smaller things. But you say it all right, something has changed. I don't know if it's just the Fedal's posting, or people posting negative about Roger... but something has made this forum negative for quite some Roger-fans.


and - as I am talking about the chat thread now - discussions on a variety of subjects should be okay in a chat thread, no? :shrug:
In my replies I don't mean the chatthread. (except for the reply about a title, because that threadtitle was the only one I remembered, so I used it as example). A chatthread is about different topics, so can also be about different players... no problem with that. :)

People come and people go, because of losing interest, being busy in real life, etc.. That's the natural course of things on a forum. I think it's a bit unfair to blame it on the atmosphere in those threads, as I know plenty of 'disappeared' posters who just thought it appropriate for them to 'move on'...

I know this forum, and it's posters, well enough after those years I post here. And yes I am sure the atmosphere has something to do with it. Not for all, but for (quite) some of them at least..!

EternalxJourney
08-11-2008, 06:01 PM
There's way too many people worshipping Richard on here as well :(


:o :p :p

:p:lol:

nobama
08-11-2008, 06:05 PM
I'm not sure who all complained but was the complaint about too much negativity re: Roger or was it too much discussion about other players (i.e. Nadal)? I didn't get the impression from the OP that constructive criticism was a problem. :shrug:

Sunset of Age
08-11-2008, 06:15 PM
Hope you don't mind me replying to a few of your points, Chiudi-fan. ;)

I know, that there is a respect for the game in this forum. But that's where is MTF for, GM, tournament forums, etc.

I wish you were right here, but MTF GM is by far the place where you can find the least respect for the game of tennis of all... apart from a few good posters who actually know a lot of the game (PMK, Merton, Stebs, MrChopin, etc., not to forget our mod over here ;)), the place is more a name-calling, bashing and trolling hell, where making sense and having just a sensible, balanced discussion seems near to impossible.
The tournament forums seem to focus mainly on livescore posting, games and betting - not much of a discussion on the game going on there either, though I must admit I don't visit them all too often.

You don't sound harsh, and I might overreact a little, but I really don't have the feeling this is a Fed forum anymore. And I've never had that feeling before in the past 6 years. And in those 6 years there were also other moments Roger had less good times, that he had tough opponents... so the fact about us overreacting because Roger is doing bad, had nothing to do with it for me.

I started to post in July 2006, and I haven't seen that much changing in these past two years... :shrug: - I still see a lot of cheering for Roger, nice pictures being posted, etc., which is the way it should be. What exactly gives you the feeling that this isn't a Fed forum anymore? (not counting the chat thread, as you pointed out yourself)

You are right. Once I go in defence I can make a bigger problem of smaller things. But you say it all right, something has changed. I don't know if it's just the Fedal's posting, or people posting negative about Roger... but something has made this forum negative for quite some Roger-fans.

If I have anything to say about this as a Fedal - the main reason for me to post here is that it's still possible to discuss various things concerning Rogi without it leading to being mocked, especially when you feel the need to defend him. I've given up on doing that in GM a long time ago... :(

In my replies I don't mean the chatthread. (except for the reply about a title, because that threadtitle was the only one I remembered, so I used it as example). A chatthread is about different topics, so can also be about different players... no problem with that. :)

Thanks... that at least clears up the rather nasty feeling of being (one of the) the cause(s) of the 'changed atmosphere', as that is the main place for me to post. And btw, I thought that chatthread title to be a little too harsh as well.

I know this forum, and it's posters, well enough after those years I post here. And yes I am sure the atmosphere has something to do with it. Not for all, but for (quite) some of them at least..!

I still stand by my earlier post - I know that in the course of time, people change their interests and goals. If it's indeed the atmosphere, why then not point it out, at least by posting something like 'hey I don't like where this discussion is going' or 'stop the negativity', or whatever (giving reasons of course)? I don't see what the problem would be with that... but well, as my dorkiness on this matter has brought me quite a bit of trouble lately, perhaps I'd better shut up. I will now. :angel: :)

Stevens Point
08-11-2008, 07:26 PM
It is easy to be funny and tolerant when things are going fine. Everybody just bathed in harmony in Roger's glory. But Roger isn't winning everything anymore. There is a chink in the armour. Critique is voiced, justified and unjustified one. But instead of feeeling uncomfortable and trying to shut out everything which does not suit the glorious image, loyal, but balanced discussions should go on. This is at least what adults do, when things get tough.

Yes, I agree with you. This is what adults should do.

But, I don't think some of the left posters have left, because of Roger losing more often than "we are used to" and not having the same fun. I am also not like that. I am also posting in another forum, which is not RF.com, and some of the posters there used to post here. One said about Fed Forum going some wrong direction. Another one said, she gets more along with people on RF.com. People still post in other forums such as RF.com or the one I mentioned above, but not prefering to post here anymore. there must be some other issues other than Roger not winning everything anymore.

NYCtennisfan
08-12-2008, 06:53 AM
I'm not sure who all complained but was the complaint about too much negativity re: Roger or was it too much discussion about other players (i.e. Nadal)? I didn't get the impression from the OP that constructive criticism was a problem. :shrug:

Hi all. Good discussion going on here. Some things may have been a bit misinterpreted.

1. Constructive criticism is always welcomed. I think a lot of the posters got tired of the "over-the-top" criticism. A lot of that type of criticism came from trolls and some came in the heat of the moment. Many of the posters who let me know about their concerns are long time Federer fans, many of them way before he became the world's greatest player. These fans support Federer and don't bash him endlessly after he fails to win 90% of his matches, 3 slams a year, etc. etc.

2. Nobody said they didn't want to hear about other players, but what they mentioned was the disproportionate amount of time spent on other players in the Federer forum which is anomalous amongst player forums. You don't go into other forums and heap praise on some other player while simultaneously dumping on the player the forum was designed to discuss; this has happened over and over again over the past 3 months or so.

3. Some may construe this as an attack on the 'Fedal's' but most of the posters who voiced their concerns weren't complaining about anyone in particular or even to get rid of the 'Fedals'.

Nymeria
08-12-2008, 08:01 AM
Hope you don't mind me replying to a few of your points, Chiudi-fan. ;)
Why would I mind? If I would, I wouldn't post in this thread :shrug:


I wish you were right here, but MTF GM is by far the place where you can find the least respect for the game of tennis of all... apart from a few good posters who actually know a lot of the game (PMK, Merton, Stebs, MrChopin, etc., not to forget our mod over here ;)), the place is more a name-calling, bashing and trolling hell, where making sense and having just a sensible, balanced discussion seems near to impossible.
The tournament forums seem to focus mainly on livescore posting, games and betting - not much of a discussion on the game going on there either, though I must admit I don't visit them all too often.
I know how GM is, you won't find me posting there either. But it doesn't mean that all players talk can come to Federer's forum because posters don't like to go to GM. It's as Alex' says: "the disproportionate amount of time spent on other players in the Federer forum which is anomalous amongst player forums"



I started to post in July 2006, and I haven't seen that much changing in these past two years... :shrug: - I still see a lot of cheering for Roger, nice pictures being posted, etc., which is the way it should be. What exactly gives you the feeling that this isn't a Fed forum anymore? (not counting the chat thread, as you pointed out yourself)
All the posts about other players, some talk about other players in about every post. (and no I am not talking about just one player). Again, that quote of Alex' can be used as reply here.
Of course people cheer for Roger, and post pictures... would be really strange if that had stopped as well...

Thanks... that at least clears up the rather nasty feeling of being (one of the) the cause(s) of the 'changed atmosphere', as that is the main place for me to post. And btw, I thought that chatthread title to be a little too harsh as well.
I am sorry to say this, but, for me, (posters like) you are one of the causes of the changed atmosphere.


I still stand by my earlier post - I know that in the course of time, people change their interests and goals. If it's indeed the atmosphere, why then not point it out, at least by posting something like 'hey I don't like where this discussion is going' or 'stop the negativity', or whatever (giving reasons of course)? I don't see what the problem would be with that... but well, as my dorkiness on this matter has brought me quite a bit of trouble lately, perhaps I'd better shut up. I will now. :angel: :)

Because it is not easy to do. I notice in this thread as well that... many don't dare to give their opinion, there are just few people posting. I wouldn't like to say it to people in person either, if Alex' had not started this thread, I don't know if I would've dared to give my opinion on this topic.

nobama
08-12-2008, 10:54 AM
Hi all. Good discussion going on here. Some things may have been a bit misinterpreted.

1. Constructive criticism is always welcomed. I think a lot of the posters got tired of the "over-the-top" criticism. A lot of that type of criticism came from trolls and some came in the heat of the moment. Many of the posters who let me know about their concerns are long time Federer fans, many of them way before he became the world's greatest player. These fans support Federer and don't bash him endlessly after he fails to win 90% of his matches, 3 slams a year, etc. etc.

2. Nobody said they didn't want to hear about other players, but what they mentioned was the disproportionate amount of time spent on other players in the Federer forum which is anomalous amongst player forums. You don't go into other forums and heap praise on some other player while simultaneously dumping on the player the forum was designed to discuss; this has happened over and over again over the past 3 months or so.

3. Some may construe this as an attack on the 'Fedal's' but most of the posters who voiced their concerns weren't complaining about anyone in particular or even to get rid of the 'Fedals'.
Thanks for clarifying. Much appreciated. :)

trickcy
08-12-2008, 11:22 AM
I have been here from 2006, and while GM was always a place I never posted much in, I always liked the Fed forum. It seemed and for me, still seems very friendly.:) And the sub-forums are meant to be like that. :)

I read the old threads, before 2006, I mean, and it seemed like more people were posting. It may just be my impression, afterall I just read them once, :shrug: does anybody else feel that?

As for the current atmosphere, maybe it is a bit negative. But, given the circumstances it could be worse.. I mean, it isn't pleasant stuff reading "Roger will not win a slam ever again" or "he's finished" or "Roger, please retire".
While watching matches, people comment sarcastically, ( I have ) and I think that's something different. But when everybody's like OK, we're optimistic and stuff, to see such comments is not OK.

And I have read a few posts like "Nadal will definately win 15 slams.." blah blah yada yada and all that :bs:
And as a Roger fan, it's quite annoying to see other players being praised that much while not appreciating what Roger has achieved. If we're talking about current form, about a match, and the opponent is praised, I don't think many will have a problem with that.:shrug: Or in a tournament, if some player is complimented on being on a hot streak or whatever..

However, I personally don't find it too bad. And I don't think that I would blame any poster in particular or the fedals or whatever. But we do dicuss a lot about other players.

Chiudi-fan and others who aren't happy with the current situation, :wavey: What do you propose should be done? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, just asking.. :)

Nymeria
08-12-2008, 11:38 AM
Chiudi-fan and others who aren't happy with the current situation, :wavey: What do you propose should be done? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, just asking.. :)

Can't reply for others, I think many have different reasons why they think it has changed. It's hard to write how you want something to be changed, even when being annoyed or feeling less happy with one situation, it's not easy to write how it should be instead, but I'll give it a try to write my idea...

What I've noticed, what I don't like, is that too much is about other players, either praising some, or often also negative posts about others. I've felt annoyed when there was too much talk about some players, but also I've felt annoyed at moments people, who kept praising their faves, at once post really negative about players I like. So what I would like if it can go back to "the basic", like how many small cheeringthreads are for players with less fans... means just use it as a forum to talk possitive about Roger, to cheer for him... of course in such forum also belongs some talk about opponents, discussion about their form when Roger is going to play them...

trickcy
08-12-2008, 11:50 AM
Can't reply for others, I think many have different reasons why they think it has changed. It's hard to write how you want something to be changed, even when being annoyed or feeling less happy with one situation, it's not easy to write how it should be instead, but I'll give it a try to write my idea...

What I've noticed, what I don't like, is that too much is about other players, either praising some, or often also negative posts about others. I've felt annoyed when there was too much talk about some players, but also I've felt annoyed at moments people, who kept praising their faves, at once post really negative about players I like. So what I would like if it can go back to "the basic", like how many small cheeringthreads are for players with less fans... means just use it as a forum to talk possitive about Roger, to cheer for him... of course in such forum also belongs some talk about opponents, discussion about their form when Roger is going to play them...

I guess it is quite difficult to write about what to do to have things different. Thanks a lot for explaining. :)

ExpectedWinner
08-12-2008, 04:43 PM
Chiudi-fan and others who aren't happy with the current situation, :wavey: What do you propose should be done?

Use your own mental filters or that wonderful "ignore" option. :shrug:

glycina
08-14-2008, 11:58 AM
I have begun to post here very recently, so I don't know how this forum has changed. But I feel that this is a very closed community where I see always the same members chattering each other. I hope that this forum is the place that much more Roger's fans can share.

And I touch on several things that I find annoying as the forum of the fans of Roger( or as the forum of one player).

I don't want to read here the critical messages. If you are a fan of Roger, why don't you believe that he is doing always his best for his career and for his fans? And we have to believe also that he knows much better than anyone else what he should do or what he should have done. And he has his team who cares for him professionally.

I don't want to see either the image of the other player( Nadal) or obviously the caricature of some politician, which are always accompanied with the same poster.
I thought that this would be the forum for the people who love Roger without reserve. For exemple, even if one may think that Roger is going to lose, one would not like to put that into words or would like to hear from someone here the reply of deny. I can't understand why one can arrogantly say that like a predict or even bet for the opponent just for fun.

In one word, actually, at present, I think this is not so much the forum for Roger or even not for the fans of Roger.

Sunset of Age
08-14-2008, 01:58 PM
I have begun to post here very recently, so I don't know how this forum has changed. But I feel that this is a very closed community where I see always the same members chattering each other. I hope that this forum is the place that much more Roger's fans can share.

Everyone is welcome to join in on the chats... you are, too.

I don't want to read here the critical messages. If you are a fan of Roger, why don't you believe that he is doing always his best for his career and for his fans? And we have to believe also that he knows much better than anyone else what he should do or what he should have done. And he has his team who cares for him professionally.

We ARE his fans, and indeed, trust he is doing the best that he and his team can manage. But do you really think that there should be no place for (postive) criticim on a fanforum? Only fawning?
That doesn't make one a 'fan', IMHO, it makes one a 'fanboy' - an idol-worshipper. Those who truly LOVE a player are also able to see that player's weaker sides, and point it out. As long as it doesn't change into needless bashing, I see no problem with that at all.

I don't want to see either the image of the other player( Nadal) or obviously the caricature of some politician, which are always accompanied with the same poster.

There is an easy solution to this problem: turn off the signatures showing up. Look in the user CP, it's not that hard to find out.

I thought that this would be the forum for the people who love Roger without reserve. For exemple, even if one may think that Roger is going to lose, one would not like to put that into words or would like to hear from someone here the reply of deny. I can't understand why one can arrogantly say that like a predict or even bet for the opponent just for fun.

It depends on how you define 'loving Roger without reserve'. I love him to bits, he was the one that brought back to me the joy of watching tennis back in 2001 - but that doesn't mean I can't see his weaker points.

And noone is predicting or betting on a victory for an opponent 'just for fun': it might well be a matter of being REALISTIC, not closing your eyes for what's going on in the current ATP, and acknowledging that at some point, a different player might even be the better one.

In one word, actually, at present, I think this is not so much the forum for Roger or even not for the fans of Roger.

Your definition of a 'fan' is obviously different from mine...

No harm or insult whatsoever intended btw.

neenah
08-14-2008, 04:48 PM
Okay - this if off-topic but I don't know where else to ask. :shrug:

What's the difference between a Fedal fan and someone who is a fan of, say, Federer and Gasquet? Or Federer and Davydenko? Or, to chose another of Roger's bigger rivals, Federer and Djokovic? I'm a fan of all those combinations, but people only have a problem with me when I mention my supporting of Nadal.

maskedmuffin
08-14-2008, 04:54 PM
the difference is fedal fans have effectively smothered this forum; not allowing fedtards to talk their true feelings in this year of transition the way THEY WANT TO

with their "its all okay..things will get better" shit


how do you think sampras forum would have reacted in 1996 with a "sam-assi" 2 players battling it out for #1..

now times that by 100, since there are soo many more of these "fedals" infiltrating federers forum

you see how nadullers have dealt with it on their end..they dont allow that shit


if this forum has turned into fedal, then fine

we, fedtards, want our own forum..federer only

nobama
08-14-2008, 06:12 PM
Since when did positive thoughts equate to being a Fedal fan? :confused:

And quite honestly I'd rather hear 'things will get better' than the overreactions and Roger sucks, needs to retire, will never win anything again crap.

nobama
08-14-2008, 06:18 PM
I'm not a Nadal fan by any means but I don't think posters making unfounded allegations about him should be allowed to muck up the forum. Either those posts should be deleted or the poster banned from the forum. People complain about too much Nadal talk but then spend most of their time here complaining about fedal fans, who last time I checked, barely mentioned Nadal (if at all) today. :rolleyes:

Or Levy
08-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Huh? Positive thoughts = Fedal fan?

I'm so fucking sick of the 'he's crap, shit and needs to retire' stuff, that's not being a Federer fan. That's being a tennis fan who enjoyes Roger simply for his beautiful tennis, you can talk about THAT at GM. I root for him regardless.

nobama
08-14-2008, 07:24 PM
Huh? Positive thoughts = Fedal fan?

I'm so fucking sick of the 'he's crap, shit and needs to retire' stuff, that's not being a Federer fan. That's being a tennis fan who enjoyes Roger simply for his beautiful tennis, you can talk about THAT at GM. I root for him regardless.I think this fourm can accomodate all types of Roger fans. Roger's beautiful tennis is what made me a fan, but right now I'd say I'm a fan of the man 1st and his tennis 2nd. For some it might be the other way around, or they don't about Roger outside of a tennis court. Or maybe some are fans of Roger and other players. I'm not directing this at you Or Levy, but I think we go down a dangerous path when we try to fit in a box what a Federer fan is.

prima donna
08-14-2008, 07:32 PM
This forum has always provided a peaceful atmosphere in which a variety of opinions were admissible, however it's quite interesting that we only really have one authentic poster that supports both Nadal and Federer, so most of this discussion essentially revolves around that particular individual.

One of the things which I've come to love and yet dislike about this forum is the diplomatic philosophy generally applied by an overwhelming majority, but the fact is choosing to target a single person as a scapegoat for Roger's lackluster performances as of late will hardly remedy our misery.

Or Levy
08-14-2008, 07:54 PM
I think this fourm can accomodate all types of Roger fans. Roger's beautiful tennis is what made me a fan, but right now I'd say I'm a fan of the man 1st and his tennis 2nd. For some it might be the other way around, or they don't about Roger outside of a tennis court. Or maybe some are fans of Roger and other players. I'm not directing this at you Or Levy, but I think we go down a dangerous path when we try to fit in a box what a Federer fan is.

This is going to be really short because I'm just about to go out, but people who say "Roger, retire" - are his fans? I find that hard to believe.

I started getting interested in Roger because of his beautiful tennis as well, but after two years - I'm just a Roger fan now. Ugly wins, beautiful losses, a little of both. It's just not about his tennis anymore, and the fact that I don't know him off court has little signifiance.

Okay, I'm not being clear - maybe I'll be more clear after coming back from my night out, properly drunk.

TennisFan2012
08-17-2008, 05:04 PM
Congratulations to Roger and Stan on their gold medal. Does anyone know whether a replay of the match will be shown on TV in the US and if so, when and what station? I would love to see it.

bethbrasil
09-22-2008, 03:12 AM
Hi all,

As you know, I don't interfere all that much with what goes on in this forum. Compared to other moderators, I hardly do anything other than create a sticky or two and maybe dissuade a troll or two from posting. Other than that, we have great discussions here where a LOT of tennis is talked.

Over the past 4 or 5 months, there have been subtle changes to the forum's 'environment' which has been on the mind of several posters. Many posters feel that the forum focuses and allows too much discussion about other players which would not be tolerated in other forums i.e. talk about how great Federer is in the Roddick forum or Djokovic or Nadal forums. Many posters feel that this forum is their one sanctuary, especially lately when all the wolves have been out for Roger.

So I'm making a request. Discussion is fine, but please keep in mind that this is a FEDERER forum first--NOT a free discussion forum, not a Fedal forum, not a X, Y, Z forum. This should be a place where Federer fans should have to read things that one may find in other forums or in GM. Please be sensitive to this. A lot of posters have requested me to make this request, but didn't want to go public with it.

This is one of if not the best place for tennis discussion so hopefully it stays that way. It should also be a place for Federer fans to feel comfortable being a Federer fan without being criticized for it.

All thoughts, like always, are welcome. :)

Alex[/QUOTE]



DEAR FRIENDS,:hug::kiss::wavey:


I agree fully with for NYCtennisfan's. I accompany ROGI's Career since 2.000 and never agreed that people that I leave fans of other tennis players only come with for intent of creating polemic.
I have been writing very little in the sites that always took part for cause of this. And I am going to tell for you that I am a FEDERISTA WHO MEANS THE FOLLOWING (NO WAS I THAT WROTE THAT, BUT I AM THAT)


Federista is different from any other supporter. It is different, because we do not restrict to only be supporter. Be Federista is as marriage, in the health and in the disease, in the happiness and in the sadness. And even when the sadness insist on remain, Federista is capable of, after a defeat, defend your idol, even being target of jokes. That why Federista does not to cheer for a tennis player, it twists for a nation, for a "army of a man only". And just as in a war, a citizen does not deny a country, even though the defeat be great, even though its position be threatened: Federista supports his idol in the defeat, because the obstacles your dignify nationalism feeling. And that forgive me the other tennis player, clear that are expressive..... But Federista does not to cheer for a nobleman
... It cheer for a King, called Roger Federer !


MILLION KISSES FOR ALL. Beth:kiss::kiss::kiss::wavey:

Daniel
09-23-2008, 05:23 PM
What is a Federista? :o
I am a Federer Fan forever. :kiss:

bethbrasil
09-23-2008, 06:13 PM
What is a Federista? :o
I am a Federer Fan forever. :kiss:

My Dear, :hug:

Iknow this, you are Federer forever:worship:, but
these last times seems that fans (that no really were:fiery:) started to create theories and to see soon other super champion. Guga declared that Nadal (me sorry cite that name here(Nadal)) said that much time Nadal already should be champion. I was never Guga's Fan, because now I find him much despiteful.:o
Then in a site "orkut" - community of Roger FEDERER, they created this definition for ROGI's True Fan.:yippee:
I found the great definition and adopted her.:banana:
In the fund Federista" and ROGI's True Fan, the one that this for what gives and comes.:bigclap::bigclap::bigclap::bigclap:
Million kisses and much fondness to all. Beth:kiss::kiss::kiss::hug::hug::hug:

Eden
03-25-2009, 08:05 PM
Can the Federer forum please be a forum without any trolling? We have enough of it already on GM. Thanks :)

Rita
03-25-2009, 08:53 PM
I agree :)

RogiFan88
03-25-2009, 08:57 PM
Can the Federer forum be for fans of Federer only??

nobama
03-25-2009, 09:14 PM
I have no problem with folks who are fans of more than one player.

But the trolls are quite obvious and if they can't be banned at least people should have the good sense to not respond (or put them on ignore).

bethbrasil
04-16-2009, 02:01 AM
I have no problem with folks who are fans of more than one player.

But the trolls are quite obvious and if they can't be banned at least people should have the good sense to not respond (or put them on ignore).


Dear Mellow Yellow,

I agree entirely with you. However it stands to reason that who "hates" ROGI or finds him a tennis player without expression, that did not add anything to tennis, I think the easiest way of he express these opinions should not be in the place where ROGI has practically only supers fans.
I am ROGI's fanatic fan, however I never wrote in any site against Nadal, Djokovic, Murray or any another, because the fact of I be super ROGI's Fan, that does not mean that these other tennis player to do not be excellent, so much are EXCELLENT that are TOP TEN.

Million kisses, much fondness and love to all. Beth

scoobs
10-29-2011, 03:46 PM
I'm getting increasing reports of trouble in this forum between certain posters, flamewars, a lot of negative atmosphere, etc.

This is a forum for Roger fans - both those who are uncritical of him and those who have constructive criticism. But flat-out negativity is not appropriate for his fan forum, nor is flamewars between people who disagree on things about Roger.

If the trouble continues the mods will look at taking strong action, including banning posters from his forum and potentially other measures as well.

If there are posters with personal problems with each other, please use the ignore poster function and otherwise, show a little respect to your fellow posters and Roger fans.

Please consider this the first and final warning.

Crazy Girl
11-01-2011, 10:21 PM
I'm getting increasing reports of trouble in this forum between certain posters, flamewars, a lot of negative atmosphere, etc.

This is a forum for Roger fans - both those who are uncritical of him and those who have constructive criticism. But flat-out negativity is not appropriate for his fan forum, nor is flamewars between people who disagree on things about Roger.

If the trouble continues the mods will look at taking strong action, including banning posters from his forum and potentially other measures as well.

If there are posters with personal problems with each other, please use the ignore poster function and otherwise, show a little respect to your fellow posters and Roger fans.

Please consider this the first and final warning.SCOOBS!!

what's going on here, while I wasn't here for a longtime...???
sorry to hear that...really.:sad::sad::confused::confused: