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Toot, toot! All aboard for the Murray bandwagon!

gjr
08-04-2008, 01:58 PM
Greetings,

He's going to win the August bandwagon thread anyways so lets get it out in the open.

The kid is playing top 4 tennis, I can't see anyone stopping him from being 4th in the World by the end of the year or at the very latest the 1st quarter of next year.

Love him or hate him for his style of tennis or his perceived arrogance on and off court he's going to be around for a long time.

Can he win a slam? Yes he can. Will he win a slam? Well I think he will. Not saying it will be anytime soon but I think he will have chances and will take at least one of them.

Can he make the big 3 into the big 4? Still too early to call. The last 2 weeks plus Wimbledon have been very encouraging so far. But I guess if the only player who has beat you in the last 3 events is the new World number 1 then it can't be that bad can it?

He needs to find a way to beat Rafa. They have had some great matches on HC and Andy needs to start to win some of those. I think he will. He will find a way to beat him on HC. Don't get me wrong, Andy will never beat Rafa on clay and would have to play the greatest ever match to beat him at Wimbledon but he will have the crowd :)

By the end of the year there could be 1 x 22 year old, 2 x 21 year olds and Fed in the top 4 places. Let the games begin.

Onwards and upwards.

I think we have a few seats at the back so get on board.

Enjoy!

groundstroke
08-04-2008, 02:04 PM
I hope Murray doesn't end up as top 4. Disgrace to tennis.

GuiroNl
08-04-2008, 02:08 PM
Can I fire a big fat honking sidewinder in this bandwagon?

decrepitude
08-04-2008, 02:08 PM
I hope Murray doesn't end up as top 4. Disgrace to tennis.
Sour grapes from somebody who has always said he would never get anywhere.

I'm already on the bandwagon and have been since he won the US Open Juniors in 2004 :)

groundstroke
08-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Sour grapes from somebody who has always said he would never get anywhere.

I'm already on the bandwagon and have been since he won the US Open Juniors in 2004 :)
I said I hoped he never gets anywhere. I've been watching Murray since he beat Stepanek when he was ranked 300+, doesn't mean I hate from 1 reason. It's a disgrace to see a counterpuncher winning. Nadal is defensive too, but at least he absolutely rockets forehand and backhand winners on clay. Murray is the same in every single surface. He may have beaten Djokovic twice this week, but it is Djokovic, with the aggressive tennis that has 1 Slam and more Master Series than Murray.

gjr
08-04-2008, 02:23 PM
I said I hoped he never gets anywhere. I've been watching Murray since he beat Stepanek when he was ranked 300+, doesn't mean I hate from 1 reason. It's a disgrace to see a counterpuncher winning. Nadal is defensive too, but at least he absolutely rockets forehand and backhand winners on clay. Murray is the same in every single surface. He may have beaten Djokovic twice this week, but it is Djokovic, with the aggressive tennis that has 1 Slam and more Master Series than Murray.

Lets see how they things pan out shall we. H2H is now 3-2 with nole thrashing an unfit murray twice last year and a win on clay earlier. I know nole didn't play his best in the last 2 matches but hey in their 1st 2 matches Andy didn't play his best either!

It's called the fear factor. You don't want to beleive it but you just never know do you. Lucky for you and Nole that Andy is ranked so high because no-one would want to play a no mark floater like Murray would they?

:)

rocketassist
08-04-2008, 02:32 PM
Sour grapes from somebody who has always said he would never get anywhere.

I'm already on the bandwagon and have been since he won the US Open Juniors in 2004 :)

same here, US Open juniors 2004 was when I began following him.

rocketassist
08-04-2008, 02:33 PM
Lleyton Hewitt made it to no 1 with a similar game.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 02:34 PM
The existence of such a bandwagon would merely confirm what I have suspected for quite some time, that is, members of this board have an appreciation which amounts to zero as it relates to aesthetics or classiness.

The boy is miserable and his game is rough on the eye, then again, perhaps this is indicative of a new breed of tennis spectator that seems to have simply lost his way at some point and rather than feasting on hamburgers, fish & chips and other highly nutritious foods while watching George Foreman matches on VHS, now seems to prefer watching monstrous and beastly athletes masquerading as tennis players.

steffilover
08-04-2008, 02:35 PM
I've always really liked him, love his languid style of play and his mentality (not the usual crappy weakling Brits like to be). Long may he reign!:worship:

Betty
08-04-2008, 02:37 PM
The existence of such a bandwagon would merely confirm what I have suspected for quite some time, that is, members of this board have an appreciation which amounts to zero as it relates to aesthetics or classiness.

The boy is miserable and his game is rough on the eye, then again, perhaps this is indicative of a new breed of tennis spectator that seems to have simply lost his way at some point and rather than feasting on hamburgers, fish & chips and other highly nutritious foods while watching George Foreman matches on VHS, now seems to prefer watching monstrous and beastly athletes masquerading as tennis players.

siamo sempre d'accordo su chi tifare:haha:
ciao:p

bokehlicious
08-04-2008, 02:39 PM
His game is quite effective most of the time but so boring to watch. Almost as boring as Nadal's... :yawn: :zzz:

Clydey
08-04-2008, 02:40 PM
The existence of such a bandwagon would merely confirm what I have suspected for quite some time, that is, members of this board have an appreciation which amounts to zero as it relates to aesthetics or classiness.

The boy is miserable and his game is rough on the eye, then again, perhaps this is indicative of a new breed of tennis spectator that seems to have simply lost his way at some point and rather than feasting on hamburgers, fish & chips and other highly nutritious foods while watching George Foreman matches on VHS, now seems to prefer watching monstrous and beastly athletes masquerading as tennis players.

This Murray is just a ballbasher. He has no skill. He broke Karlovic 4 times in 2 sets through pure luck ;)

finishingmove
08-04-2008, 02:42 PM
http://buildingtheweb.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/08/bandwagon.jpg

Vamos.

Betty
08-04-2008, 02:43 PM
His game is quite effective most of the time but so boring to watch. Almost as boring as Nadal's... :yawn: :zzz:

:eek::lol:c'mon...;)

gjr
08-04-2008, 02:46 PM
The existence of such a bandwagon would merely confirm what I have suspected for quite some time, that is, members of this board have an appreciation which amounts to zero as it relates to aesthetics or classiness.

The boy is miserable and his game is rough on the eye, then again, perhaps this is indicative of a new breed of tennis spectator that seems to have simply lost his way at some point and rather than feasting on hamburgers, fish & chips and other highly nutritious foods while watching George Foreman matches on VHS, now seems to prefer watching monstrous and beastly athletes masquerading as tennis players.

Well you could have said we like people who win. But I take your point and I've just noticed, I have some newspaper from my last fish and chips so I will wrap your post in it and deposit where it belongs.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 02:48 PM
siamo sempre d'accordo su chi tifare:haha:
ciao:p
Ciao Elisabetta, come va ? Spero che tutto sia apposto. Per quanto riguarda Andy Murray, cioè il giocatore più rozzo che ci sia, non credo che sia degno di un vero e proprio fan club, però è sempre più guardabile rispetto a Nadal, mi è sempre piaciuto il suo rovescio. Inoltre lo trovo anche molto acuto come tennista, insomma le sue capacità tennistiche sono ottime, ma in genere direi che il suo atteggiamento fa un pò schifo.

shotgun
08-04-2008, 02:50 PM
Murray :zzz:

gjr
08-04-2008, 02:53 PM
siamo sempre d'accordo su chi tifare:haha:
ciao:p

Ciao Elisabetta, come va ? Spero che tutto sia apposto. Per quanto riguarda Andy Murray, cioè il giocatore più rozzo che ci sia, non credo che sia degno di un vero e proprio fan club, però è sempre più guardabile rispetto a Nadal, mi è sempre piaciuto il suo rovescio. Inoltre lo trovo anche molto acuto come tennista, insomma le sue capacità tennistiche sono ottissime, ma in genere direi che il suo atteggiamento fa un pò schifo.

Laugh it up fuzzballs.

He's still a 1000 times better than any Itialian!

Betty
08-04-2008, 02:53 PM
Ciao Elisabetta, come va ? Spero che tutto sia apposto. Per quanto riguarda Andy Murray, cioè il giocatore più rozzo che ci sia, non credo che sia degno di un vero e proprio fan club, però è sempre più guardabile rispetto a Nadal, mi è sempre piaciuto il suo rovescio. Inoltre lo trovo anche molto acuto come tennista, insomma le sue capacità tennistiche sono ottissime, ma in genere direi che il suo atteggiamento fa un pò schifo.

bene grazie e tu:)

a me piace e non solo perchè è scozzese:lol:,ma è vero che talvolta, specie durante i game di attesa, può essere noioso.
per quanto riguarda rafa, tu sai come la penso..ma adesso che fed non vince + come prima..mi fa + tenerezza..perciò mi trovi di + in fed thread..ho un post per te ,hai letto li:p;)

Betty
08-04-2008, 02:55 PM
Laugh it up fuzzballs.

He's still a 1000 times better than any Itialian!

coz he eats better food:confused::devil:
do u understand what i wrote? i don't think it;)

gjr
08-04-2008, 03:01 PM
coz he eats better food:confused::devil:
do u understand what i wrote? i don't think it;)

Sadly no. Where I come from education was not a prioity. They don't teach anything but English. And they didn't teach very well.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 03:01 PM
bene grazie e tu:)

a me piace e non solo perchè è scozzese:lol:,ma è vero che talvolta, specie durante i game di attesa, può essere noioso.
per quanto riguarda rafa, tu sai come la penso..ma adesso che fed non vince + come prima..mi fa + tenerezza..perciò mi trovi di + in fed thread..ho un post per te ,hai letto li:p;)
Come ho detto in precedenza, le sue capacità tennistiche sono ottime. Bisogna dire, soprattutto nel tuo caso specifico, tipicamente le donne danno più importanza all'aspetto fisico e quindi non si rendono conto della mancanza di bellezza tennistica, secondo il mio parere, essa è più importante di qualsiasi altra cosa.

Roger è già ritenuto un vero e proprio mito, quindi non c'è nulla da dimostrare, basterebbe che vinca i tornei che contano di più, la sua carriera è stata senz'altro meravigliosa, però mi farebbe molto piacere se superasse Pete Sampras.

decrepitude
08-04-2008, 03:05 PM
Er - isn't it against the Forum rules to post in anything but English here?

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:05 PM
Come ho detto in precedenza, le sue capacità tennistiche sono ottime. Bisogna dire, soprattutto nel tuo caso specifico, tipicamente le donne danno più importanza all'aspetto fisico e quindi non si rendono conto della mancanza di bellezza tennistica, secondo il mio parere, essa è più importante di qualsiasi altra cosa.

Roger è già ritenuto un vero e proprio mito, quindi non c'è nulla da dimostrare, basterebbe che vinca i tornei che contano di più, la sua carriera è stata senz'altro meravigliosa, però mi farebbe molto piacere se superasse Pete Sampras.

ti sbagli, io non tifo andy per il suo aspetto fisico, perchè fisicamente non mi piace:p;)

certo che roger è un mito, ma io continuo a tifare rafa:p

and PD is not nice we use italian..coz someone could don't understand it,so let me use my wonderful english:cool::o:angel::p;)

Sunset of Age
08-04-2008, 03:06 PM
It's called the fear factor. You don't want to beleive it but you just never know do you. Lucky for you and Nole that Andy is ranked so high because no-one would want to play a no mark floater like Murray would they?

:)

Dubai 2008. Someone drew Muzza in his first match, and that fellow wasn't a happy camper thereafter. :angel:

I've been on the Muzza bandwagon for a couple of years now, and I think I'll be staying for a while at least.

gjr
08-04-2008, 03:06 PM
What a way for a thread to go. A bird named betty and a prima donna and I can't understand a word of it. I love the internet. You can't buy stuff like this.

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:07 PM
Er - isn't it against the Forum rules to post in anything but English here?

really?sorry i forget it:o:o

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:09 PM
What a way for a thread to go. A bird named betty and a prima donna and I can't understand a word of it. I love the internet. You can't buy stuff like this.

u didn't miss anything;)
i said him coz i like andy, and not for his body..and he said what he think of andy as a player
he talked abt roger, coz he know i like rafa :lol:

prima donna
08-04-2008, 03:12 PM
ti sbagli, io non tifo andy per il suo aspetto fisico, perchè fisicamente non mi piace:p;)

certo che roger è un mito, ma io continuo a tifare rafa:p

and PD is not nice we use italian..coz someone could don't understand it,so let me use my wonderful english:cool::o:angel::p;)
My point is this, despite Andy Murray's instinct and prowess as a tennis player, his attitude is a trade-off that I'm simply unwilling to accept. Perhaps there are fans willing to disregard this element of his personality, but I'm not one of them and hence my remarks that will of course be widely misunderstood by people that want tennis matches to become similar to AC Milan football matches.

It's almost the equivalent of seeing opera houses bombarded with grunge rockers that would replace courteous applause with mosh pits, this is tennis and people like Andy Murray attract the atypical tennis spectator.

gjr
08-04-2008, 03:13 PM
u didn't miss anything;)
i said him coz i like andy, and not for his body..and he said what he think of andy as a player
he talked abt roger, coz he know i like rafa :lol:

You should like Andy for his body. He may not be the best looking bloke on the planet but you will never see (excpt for another elite athlete) a body in such magnificence. I almost feel gay and then the moment passess as if it had never existed.

rocketassist
08-04-2008, 03:14 PM
My point is this, despite Andy Murray's instinct and prowess as a tennis player, his attitude is a trade-off that I'm simply unwilling to accept. Perhaps there are fans willing to disregard this element of his personality, but I'm not one of them and hence my remarks that will of course be widely misunderstood by people that want tennis matches to become similar to AC Milan football matches.

It's almost the equivalent of seeing opera houses bombarded with grunge rockers that would replace courteous applause with mosh pits, this is tennis and people like Andy Murray attract the atypical tennis spectator.

Let me guess, you're an Interista then :lol: :p

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:17 PM
Let me guess, you're an Interista then :lol: :p

:lol: sure not
but me yes:devil:as u can see in my signy:angel::p

scoobs
08-04-2008, 03:17 PM
Yeah, no, Andy definitely brings in the wrong tennis crowd - the ones who like cat and mouse points, variety of spins and pace and positioning and thoughtful patterns of play.

Of course the British fans are well known for their boisterous spectator antics at Wimbledon, where the riot police are always on high alert, and some parts of the area around the Queens Club are no-go areas in summer thanks to those unruly Murray mobs.

And didn't some of his fans start fights at the Australian Open last year? No, wait, that wasn't him but they were no doubt taking their cue from Murray because of his soft-spoken, droney-voice and polite manner in interviews yet unruly hair and unshaven face antics and occasional on-court outburst. Like in the infamous days of McEnroe when tennis fans used to rampage throughout New York mugging old ladies and yelling YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!, the dark times have come again :(

I think we were on the point of civil disorder in Cincy yesterday thanks to those crazy Murray fans who just lower the tone, but in the end it was too darned hot for an insurrection so they politely waved their little hand-fans instead.

It's a good thing there's high security in Beijing for the Olympics - forget international terrorism - Murray fans are coming!!!

:bolt:

Clydey
08-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Yeah, no, Andy definitely brings in the wrong tennis crowd - the ones who like cat and mouse points, variety of spins and pace and positioning and thoughtful patterns of play.

Of course the British fans are well known for their boisterous spectator antics at Wimbledon, where the riot police are always on high alert, and some parts of the area around the Queens Club are no-go areas in summer thanks to those unruly Murray mobs.

And didn't some of his fans start fights at the Australian Open last year? No, wait, that wasn't him but they were no doubt taking their cue from Murray because of his soft-spoken, droney-voice and polite manner in interviews yet unruly hair and unshaven face antics and occasional on-court outburst. Like in the infamous days of McEnroe when tennis fans used to rampage throughout New York mugging old ladies and yelling YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!, the dark times have come again :(

I think we were on the point of civil disorder in Cincy yesterday thanks to those crazy Murray fans who just lower the tone, but in the end it was too darned hot for an insurrection so they politely waved their little hand-fans instead.

It's a good thing there's high security in Beijing for the Olympics - forget international terrorism - Murray fans are coming!!!

:bolt:

This Murray will be the death of tennis.

Sunset of Age
08-04-2008, 03:20 PM
^^ :haha: :haha: :haha:

fast_clay
08-04-2008, 03:24 PM
http://buildingtheweb.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/08/bandwagon.jpg

Vamos.

mate... you have outdone yourself there... :lol: nice merc by the way...

i will bandwagon this ugly pr!ck...

prima donna
08-04-2008, 03:25 PM
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Betty
08-04-2008, 03:27 PM
what do u mean :angel:?

scoobs
08-04-2008, 03:27 PM
That was a sad moment when he dropped serve - thanks for reminding me :(

Clydey
08-04-2008, 03:30 PM
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That clip sure proves your point. Murray really is a hooligan. I think the ATP should ban him for that inconsequential incident that happened a year and a half ago.

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:32 PM
thanks guys now i understand what PD means...:lol: omg luckly u never see me play:o my racket know well it:angel:

prima donna
08-04-2008, 03:38 PM
There have been other incidents consisting of more or less the same genre of vileness. Also, from what I understand, not everyone residing in the United Kingdom is exactly bonkers about Murray's success. Tim Henman was a gentleman that allowed his game to do the talking, Murray on the other hand is one of the most excessively demonstrative players on the circuit, it's only been as of late that cries of his antics have been quelled by his consistent play.

One gets the impression that he's a decent person off the court, however, during his matches he comports himself as a volatile maniac that could implode at any time.

gjr
08-04-2008, 03:42 PM
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Ah I see now. A Juve fan if I ever saw one. Unkucky mate.

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:42 PM
maybe..is the agonistic 's determination:p

when u play tennis u're..mmm..nice?

ok Tim is a Gentlemen but no1 is similar,right:p

Clydey
08-04-2008, 03:43 PM
There have been other incidents consisting of more or less the same genre of vileness. Also, from what I understand, not everyone residing in the United Kingdom is exactly bonkers about Murray's success. Tim Henman was a gentleman that allowed his game to do the talking, Murray on the other hand is one of the most excessively demonstrative players on the circuit, it's only been as of late that cries of his antics have been quelled by his consistent play.

One gets the impression that he's a decent person off the court, however, during his matches he comports himself as a volatile maniac that could implode at any time.

And Federer was a headcase before he learned to control his emotions. Murray has matured recently. Should we also take Roger to task over his earlier behaviour? The fact is that Murray's attitude has been spot on for a while now. He's not yelling at his coach like he used to (which Gilbert actually asked him to do, rather than yell at himself).

You're being far too harsh. Like I said, Federer used to be worse than Safin and now look at him. Players mature and Murray is maturing. But hey, I don't expect that to sway you. Murray could come on court sipping a cup of tea and you'd still think him a raging lunatic.

scoobs
08-04-2008, 03:43 PM
There have been other incidents consisting of more or less the same genre of vileness. Also, from what I understand, not everyone residing in the United Kingdom is exactly bonkers about Murray's success. Tim Henman was a gentleman that allowed his game to do the talking, Murray on the other hand is one of the most excessively demonstrative players on the circuit, it's only been as of late that cries of his antics have been quelled by his consistent play.

One gets the impression that he's a decent person off the court, however, during his matches he comports himself as a volatile maniac that could implode at any time.
Clearly you never heard Tim drop one of his many F-bombs.

Tim's "gentleman" status is over-rated - he wasn't above arguing with the umpire and having the occasional outbursts.

Regardless, I'm guessing you haven't seen Murray's matches lately because he's largely cut out that kind of behaviour, and your description of it as "volatile maniac" is way overblown in the first place. He's passionate and that sometimes spills over.

Still, you are welcome to your always interesting and inflammatory viewpoint :)

Metis
08-04-2008, 03:44 PM
It's almost the equivalent of seeing opera houses bombarded with grunge rockers that would replace courteous applause with mosh pits, this is tennis and people like Andy Murray attract the atypical tennis spectator.

How about the times when the audience created mayhem and used to throw vegetables and other groceries to the singers in La Scala in Milano when they thought the performance was not up to standard? I think they still do that. :rolls:

By those standards, Federer should have received some eggs and tomatoes after some of his losses this year. :D :p

Black Adam
08-04-2008, 03:44 PM
I can see the haters are prepaing their hate platform for when Murray's success get bigger.

Sheepy
08-04-2008, 03:44 PM
I've been on the Murray bandwagon since his antics as a WC at Queens in 2005; I'll be sticking around a bit longer too...

Betty
08-04-2008, 03:44 PM
clydey..is right,...player maturing:)person maturing;)

finishingmove
08-04-2008, 03:45 PM
Murray could come on court sipping a cup of tea and you'd still think him a raging lunatic.

he'd be an english snob then.

that's right. english.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 03:48 PM
he'd be an english snob then.

that's right. english.

:D

Your avatar is cute.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

finishingmove
08-04-2008, 03:52 PM
:D

Your avatar is cute.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

im glad u like it :D.

i thought of putting muzza as part of the bandwagon, but too many people are already disturbing the forum peace with those. ;)

prima donna
08-04-2008, 04:01 PM
And Federer was a headcase before he learned to control his emotions. Murray has matured recently. Should we also take Roger to task over his earlier behaviour? The fact is that Murray's attitude has been spot on for a while now. He's not yelling at his coach like he used to (which Gilbert actually asked him to do, rather than yell at himself).

You're being far too harsh. Like I said, Federer used to be worse than Safin and now look at him. Players mature and Murray is maturing. But hey, I don't expect that to sway you. Murray could come on court sipping a cup of tea and you'd still think him a raging lunatic.
Clyde, once again, I really have no interest in your propensity to justify Andy Murray's every wrongdoing. I'm also rather disinterested in comparisons which are anything but mutually exclusive, but if you find it so incredibly difficult to fathom that someone could speak of your favorite player in a less than flattering manner, then I'd suggest you start wearing a helmet when interacting on this message board.

It's not as if I'm criticizing his lack of acuteness as a tennis player and what few criticisms I have offered in the past have always underlined the fact that he does possess the ability to elevate his game from passive to assertive, but it's merely a matter of doing so and until he does so on a regular basis, there will be people that consider him to be somewhat of a "pusher."

I'm also amazed by the hypersensitivity seemingly present on this forum -- perhaps some supporters should grow a thicker layer of skin, if I found myself being infuriated each time someone used disparaging language to describe Roger's game or his attitude, I'd most likely be susceptible to a sudden heart attack, despite being in perfectly good shape and 29 years of age.

Learn to live with the fact that not everyone likes players that publicly use words like 'fuck' and '****'.

Andi-M
08-04-2008, 04:01 PM
Jon McEnroe was far more vocal and agressive on court then Murray ever has been. He didnt even mature, yet he drew in the crowds and helped raise the profile of tennis.

Theres nothing wrong with players that need to let their frustration out when they hit a bad shot as long as they dont openly insult their oppenant, ref or people in the crowd.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 04:09 PM
I think they still do that. :rolls:

When was the last time you actually had the opportunity to visit La Scala ? As a matter of fact, when was the last time you were actually in Milano ? It would be beneficial if you'd at least familiarize yourself with the Milanese culture before outlandishly suggesting that nothing has changed over the course of time.

A city that's considered to be the most modern city in Italy and quite possibly the fashion capital of the world probably doesn't consist of inhabitants which carry tomatoes and other vegetables on their person throughout the course of the day in order to launch them at anyone that isn't up to their standards.

Johnny Groove
08-04-2008, 04:16 PM
The existence of such a bandwagon would merely confirm what I have suspected for quite some time, that is, members of this board have an appreciation which amounts to zero as it relates to aesthetics or classiness.

The boy is miserable and his game is rough on the eye, then again, perhaps this is indicative of a new breed of tennis spectator that seems to have simply lost his way at some point and rather than feasting on hamburgers, fish & chips and other highly nutritious foods while watching George Foreman matches on VHS, now seems to prefer watching monstrous and beastly athletes masquerading as tennis players.

My point is this, despite Andy Murray's instinct and prowess as a tennis player, his attitude is a trade-off that I'm simply unwilling to accept. Perhaps there are fans willing to disregard this element of his personality, but I'm not one of them and hence my remarks that will of course be widely misunderstood by people that want tennis matches to become similar to AC Milan football matches.

It's almost the equivalent of seeing opera houses bombarded with grunge rockers that would replace courteous applause with mosh pits, this is tennis and people like Andy Murray attract the atypical tennis spectator.

There have been other incidents consisting of more or less the same genre of vileness. Also, from what I understand, not everyone residing in the United Kingdom is exactly bonkers about Murray's success. Tim Henman was a gentleman that allowed his game to do the talking, Murray on the other hand is one of the most excessively demonstrative players on the circuit, it's only been as of late that cries of his antics have been quelled by his consistent play.

One gets the impression that he's a decent person off the court, however, during his matches he comports himself as a volatile maniac that could implode at any time.

Perhaps it is you that needs to realize that times are changing. You can't just wish for the good ol' days when tennis players were gentlemen and never uttered a bad word or berated anyone.

The world nowadays is a pretty fucked up place and the current crop of top players have grown up in it and are a product of it. The fact that you constantly want everyone to be a Boy Scout on and off the court and use backhanded insults and advanced vocabulary essays to berate them when they are not tells more about your intolerance to anything not up to your standard.

Roll up a fat one and smoke it dude. Its 2008. :wavey:

Clydey
08-04-2008, 04:18 PM
Clyde, once again, I really have no interest in your propensity to justify Andy Murray's every wrongdoing. I'm also rather disinterested in comparisons which are anything but mutually exclusive, but if you find it so incredibly difficult to fathom that someone could speak of your favorite player in a less than flattering manner, then I'd suggest you start wearing a helmet when interacting on this message board.

It's not as if I'm criticizing his lack of acuteness as a tennis player and what few criticisms I have offered in the past have always underlined the fact that he does possess the ability to elevate his game from passive to assertive, but it's merely a matter of doing so and until he does so on a regular basis, there will be people that consider him to be somewhat of a "pusher."

I'm also amazed by the hypersensitivity seemingly present on this forum -- perhaps some supporters should grow a thicker layer of skin, if I found myself being infuriated each time someone used disparaging language to describe Roger's game or his attitude, I'd most likely be on the susceptible to a sudden heart attack, despite being in perfectly good shape and 29 years of age.

Learn to live with the fact that not everyone likes players that publicly use words like 'fuck' and '****'.

Yet another ad hominem attack. I don't recall mentioning Murray's game. My post focused on what you said about his on court behaviour. I genuinely don't mind whether people insult Murray or not. I'd simply rather your gripe was legitimate. You cannot berate Murray for how he used to behave, while at the same time disregard how Federer used to behave before he matured. It's hypocritical.

If you were to take a pop at Murray for looking like a hobo or for underachieveing thus far in his career, I wouldn't complain. Nor would I complain if you objected to his style of play. Your opinions appear to be baseless, however. You have already been forced to backpedal after you asserted that Murray can't generate his own pace.

And please stop with the ad homs. Address the issue, rather than dragging up a long forgotten argument. I'll ask you for a a straight answer again. How can you attack Murray's former on court persona, while at the same time disregard Federer's former brattish attitude?

Ilovetheblues_86
08-04-2008, 04:21 PM
Man, I don´t get what´s wong with Murray, i´m on his badwagon too, i would get angry just like him and also we don´t need another emotionless top player.
Thanks Murray for not being another Henman.:worship::worship:

Metis
08-04-2008, 04:23 PM
When was the last time you actually had the opportunity to visit La Scala ? As a matter of fact, when was the last time you were actually in Milano ? It would be beneficial if you'd at least familiarize yourself with the Milanese culture before outlandishly suggesting that nothing has changed over the course of time.

A city that's considered to be the most modern city in Italy and quite possibly the fashion capital of the world probably doesn't consist of inhabitants which carry tomatoes and other vegetables on their person throughout the course of the day and launch them at anyone that isn't up to their standards.


:lol: Take it easy PD, it was all in good fun. :D I meant no offense towards the inhabitants of Milano :hug: and especially La Scala since it is one of the opera houses where I hope to see a live performance one day. :worship:

I did read a story in the newspaper a few years ago that Pavarotti was booed and if I'm not mistaken something was thrown on stage because he couldn't sing the high notes. :tape: I can inderstand the reaction though, I felt the same way when I heard him sing in Athens one summer under the Acropolis (awful performance) and the next day I read he was complaining about the crickets being too noisy while he was singing. :rolls:

prima donna
08-04-2008, 04:25 PM
Yet another ad hominem attack. I don't recall mentioning Murray's game. My post focused on what you said about his on court behaviour. I genuinely don't mind whether people insult Murray or not. I'd simply rather your gripe was legitimate. You cannot berate Murray for how he used to behave, while at the same time disregard how Federer used to behave before he matured. It's hypocritical.

If you were to take a pop at Murray for looking like a hobo or for underachieveing thus far in his career, I wouldn't complain. Nor would I complain if you objected to his style of play. Your opinions appear to be baseless, however. You have already been forced to backpedal after you asserted that Murray can't generate his own pace.

And please stop with the ad homs. Address the issue, rather than dragging up a long forgotten argument. I'll ask you for a a straight answer again. How can you attack Murray's former on court persona, while at the same time disregard Federer's former brattish attitude?
Clyde, you've shown the propensity to attack anyone that has failed to extol Andy Murray's matches or his personality. Based on this very fact, I think that for one to suggest that you're perhaps biased in your analysis and personal opinions would be to make a mere observation.

As for Roger, there are plenty of things wrong with him, but he's also one of the most generous human beings on tour, but he's incredibly stubborn and he's paid for that by losing his Wimbledon title and being humiliated at Roland Garros. Do a bit of research on his philanthropy, charitable contributions made to poor African villages, particularly the area from which his mother originates. I, unlike you, have no qualms about conceding my weakness for my favorite player.

Stop trying to justify everything that Murray does, you'll never win on MTF and the trolls will send you to bed with tears in your eyes, you'll wish that they were all as cordial as I've been each time you've attempted to debunk my arguments.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 04:30 PM
:lol: Take it easy PD, it was all in good fun. :D I meant no offense towards the inhabitants of Milano :hug: and especially La Scala since it is one of the opera houses where I hope to see a live performance one day. :worship:

I did read a story in the newspaper a few years ago that Pavarotti was booed and if I'm not mistaken something was thrown on stage because he couldn't sing the high notes. :tape: I can inderstand the reaction though, I felt the same way when I heard him sing in Athens one summer under the Acropolis (awful performance) and the next day I read he was complaining about the crickets being too noisy while he was singing. :rolls:
Pavarotti was mistreated as his voice began to diminish in quality, but they would never throw tomatoes at the guy, he was legendary and if memory serves, rather than humiliating him or allowing him to humiliate himself (depending on perspective here) they simply no longer invited him to sing in the more celebrated opera houses, which of course was noticed by the press and his loyalists were probably troubled by it, but just as there will be no demand for Rafael Nadal or Roger Federer once their forehands are no longer the best in the game, there was no real demand for an ailing opera singer that during his prime was arguably the best, but simply declined with time.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 04:40 PM
Clyde, you've shown the propensity to attack anyone that has failed to extol Andy Murray's matches or his personality. Based on this very fact, I think that for one to suggest that you're perhaps biased in your analysis and personal opinions would be to make a mere observation.

As for Roger, there are plenty of things wrong with him, but he's also one of the most generous human beings on tour, but he's incredibly stubborn and he's paid for that by losing his Wimbledon title and being humiliated at Roland Garros. Do a bit of research on his philanthropy, charitable contributions made to poor African villages, particularly the area from which his mother originates. I, unlike you, have no qualms about conceding my weakness for my favorite player.

Stop trying to justify everything that Murray does, you'll never win on MTF and the trolls will send you to bed with tears in your eyes, you'll wish that they were all as cordial as I've been each time you've attempted to debunk my arguments.

You just can't stop yourself, can you? It's one ad hominem after another. You also continue to contradict yourself. You said that you dislike Murray for his on court behaviour, yet concede that he is probably a very nice guy off court. Therefore, Federer's off court behaviour is irrelevant. You dislike one player because of his former on court behaviour, yet have a man crush on another in spite of his former brattish attitude.

Could you explain that? And no, Federer's charity work is not relevant. We are discussing on court behaviour. Clear? For once, I'd like you to be consistent. At this point, my gripe has little to do with Murray. I'm far more interested in watching you try and justify your incessant contradictions. I know Murray's failings and I'm happy to concede them.

Let's leave aside Andy Murray. It's not relevant to the discussion, as I have no interest in trying to change your opinion of him. Let's pretend we're discussion McEnroe's behaviour, which was much, much worse than Murray's. Why does Federer get away with acting like a spoiled brat and not McEnroe? Focus on this point and don't start trying to drag the discussion in a different direction. You know, just for a change.

NinaNina19
08-04-2008, 04:41 PM
A lot of you who think that Murray just pushed the ball and played boring tennis yesterday really don't know anything about tennis. He did a great job varying the spins, varying his serve, playing aggressively when he had to. Manon mentioned yesterday that Murray sucks and Djokovic is the better player and has the better game. This isn't true. Djpkovic has a very one dimensional game, he has a solid forehand, backhand, good serve, excellent placement and is a great athlete but he doesn't have much variety in his game. When his timing is off like it was yesterday he doesn't have much to fall on. Murray has everything, great backhand, good serve (yes the first serve percentage used to be very bad but he has fixed it. He does a great job varying his serve.

Also he has great instinct at the net. For me this makes him a very interesting player to watch. For several points he will play very passive pusher like tennis and then all of a sudden he goes up to the net and it's really nice to watch. He has great anticipation and is a great returner. He can do pretty much everything. Sometimes, especially in the past he has tended to play very passively, but that's not because he doesn't have the weapons to play aggressively. He was aggressive with the forehand at times against Djokovic yesterday which I think took him by surprise.

In order to beat Nadal imo, I think he still needs to improve the forehand and be more aggressive with it. He can do it at times but he needs to be able to do it through out the whole match. He's going to be a very interesting player to watch. Also, how is it a disgrace that he's number 4 :rolleyes: . What, Ferrer has an amazing game right? There have been much worse number 4's than Andy is he becomes on. Ferrer actually is pretty much a counter puncher, he doesn't really have any weapons.

NinaNina19
08-04-2008, 04:44 PM
Also how is Murray's oncourt demeanor so bad? He barely ever throws his racket, he's had some outburts now and then but he's young and who hasn't? You guys expect plays to never show emotion or frustration and yet play with incredible intensity. I'm sure you guys never get pissed off on court. There are far worse players than Murray when it comes to tantrums oncourt.

A lot of you guys are bringing up instances from 2006 when he was 19. It's pretty ridiculous that you guys expect him to have complete control over his emotions at that age.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 04:49 PM
You just can't stop yourself, can you? It's one ad hominem after another. You also continue to contradict yourself. You said that you dislike Murray for his on court behaviour, yet concede that he is probably a very nice guy off court. Therefore, Federer's off court behaviour is irrelevant. You dislike one player because of his former on court behaviour, yet have a man crush on another in spite of his former brattish attitude.

Could you explain that? And no, Federer's charity work is not relevant. We are discussing on court behaviour. Clear? For once, I'd like you to be consistent. At this point, my gripe has little to do with Murray. I'm far more interested in watching you try and justify your incessant contradictions. I know Murray's failings and I'm happy to concede them.

Let's leave aside Andy Murray. It's not relevant to the discussion, as I have no interest in trying to change your opinion of him. Let's pretend we're discussion McEnroe's behaviour, which was much, much worse than Murray's. Why does Federer get away with acting like a spoiled brat and not McEnroe? Focus on this point and don't start trying to drag the discussion in a different direction. You know, just for a change.
You could've saved yourself lots of time if you had simply been able to deduce based on what I had priorly written, that by acknowledging Roger's less than perfect demeanor, it was essentially a concession and therefore an admission of some sort of favoritism which has played a role in why I find Roger's occasional temper tantrums acceptable even at this stage of his career and yet oppose those of Andy Murray which are more than temper tantrums, but actual tirades and blatant unabashed displays of vulgarity of the utmost level.

Andy Murray has the ability to lose his reputation as a pusher, but there's nothing he can possibly do that will convince me that he's nothing more than a child in terms of how he chooses to comport himself while on court. I have the right to express that opinion, once again, you don't have to necessarily agree with me or even think highly of my opinion, but you must come to terms on some level with the fact that I have a very low opinion of Murray's character on court, that could be achieved a number of ways, one of them being by utilizing the ignore feature which would spare you plenty of time, with which you could respond to other detractors of your idol.

rocketassist
08-04-2008, 04:52 PM
Learn to live with the fact that not everyone likes players that publicly use words like 'fuck' and '****'.

Dare I open a can of worms, but I remember a post in one thread where you called tangerine_dream a '****'. :lol:

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 04:55 PM
Get me a front seat!

prima donna
08-04-2008, 04:55 PM
Dare I open a can of worms, but I remember a post in one thread where you called tangerine_dream a '****'. :lol:
A post ? No, that was a rep that was delivered privately and rightly so based on past experiences. Anyway, thanks for unintentionally divulging the fact that she felt it necessary to reveal my true thoughts of her.

Very seldom do I exhibit any sort of public disdain for other posters by using obscenities, but privately is quite a different issue and even then, I find it challenging. At any rate, it was a reputation, not an actual post.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 04:57 PM
You could've saved yourself lots of time if you had simply been able to deduce based on what I had priorly written, that by acknowledging Roger's less than perfect demeanor, it was essentially a concession and therefore an admission of some sort of favoritism which has played a role in why I find Roger's occasional temper tantrums acceptable even at this stage of his career and yet oppose those of Andy Murray which are more than temper tantrums, but actual tirades and blatant unabashed displays of vulgarity of the utmost level.

Andy Murray has the ability to lose his reputation as a pusher, but there's nothing he can possibly do that will convince me that he's nothing more than a child in terms of how he chooses to comport himself while on court. I have the right to express that opinion, once again, you don't have to necessarily agree with me or even think highly of my opinion, but you must come to terms on some level with the fact that I have a very low opinion of Murray's character on court, that could be achieved a number of ways, one of them being by utilizing the ignore feature which would spare you plenty of time, with which you could respond to other detractors of your idol.

Like I said, the discussion has little to do with Murray at this point. And he's not my idol. No more than Federer is yours.

I'm not talking about how Federer acts today. You are aware of how Federer used to act, aren't you? He was one of the biggest brats to ever join the tour. Murray's attitude doesn't even compare to how Federer was in his early years.

It is telling that nothing Murray can do will change your opinion. That, to me, indicates someone with a closed mind and an irrational thought process.

I won't ignore you, but I have little interest in debating a pseudo-intellectual Federer fanboy.

Ciao.

Betty
08-04-2008, 04:58 PM
Get me a front seat!

is ok near a "fuzzballs" italian girl?:devil::kiss:

Metis
08-04-2008, 05:02 PM
Pavarotti was mistreated as his voice began to diminish in quality, but they would never throw tomatoes at the guy, he was legendary and if memory serves, rather than humiliating him or allowing him to humiliate himself (depending on perspective here) they simply no longer invited him to sing in the more celebrated opera houses, which of course was noticed by the press and his loyalists were probably troubled by it, but just as there will be no demand for Rafael Nadal or Roger Federer once their forehands are no longer the best in the game, there was no real demand for an ailing opera singer that during his prime was arguably the best, but simply declined with time.

I don't think it was a tomato, I can't remember now; maybe it was just paper or something like that. :shrug:

Yes it was a bit sad to see the decline, like Maria Callas' concert tour in 1974. :tape: It's difficult for them to let go when the voice in no longer there. I am not a big Pavarotti fan but his voice was undeniably something exceptional.

BTW, are you from Milano?



Sorry for the off topic discussion people. As for Murray, when I first saw him play I thought his antics were hilarious especially the way he used to berate himself on court. :lol: Last year it bacame a bit too much and I thought it was time for him to behave in a more mature way. It seems he has worked on that and his attitude these days has vastly improved. :yeah:

Betty
08-04-2008, 05:04 PM
I don't think it was a tomato, I can't remember now; maybe it was just paper or something like that. :shrug:

Yes it was a bit sad to see the decline, like Maria Callas' concert tour in 1974. :tape: It's difficult for them to let go when the voice in no longer there. I am not a big Pavarotti fan but his voice was undeniably something exceptional.

BTW, are you from Milano?



Sorry for the off topic discussion people. As for Murray, when I first saw him play I thought his antics were hilarious especially the way he used to berate himself on court. :lol: Last year it bacame a bit too much and I thought it was time for him to behave in a more mature way. It seems he has worked on that and his attitude these days has vastly improved. :yeah:

it's the "attraction"of fed fans:o;)

so Andy show intelligent for understand it and work on it

Branimir
08-04-2008, 05:05 PM
Murray has a good game though. While Djokovic played bad yesterday, Murray really didn't give him any opportunities to get into rytham. You see... What Nadal did was moonballing balls back for Djokovic to smash them every time, while Murray placed his shoots so deep most of the time, with average pace, but great accuracy. Some amazing defense too from Murray.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 05:15 PM
Like I said, the discussion has little to do with Murray at this point. And he's not my idol. No more than Federer is yours.

I'm not talking about how Federer acts today. You are aware of how Federer used to act, aren't you? He was one of the biggest brats to ever join the tour.

The degree to which Roger misbehaved wasn't nearly as excessive as Murray's misbehavior, as I'm quite aware of his outbursts on court which consisted in the flinging of objects and so forth, however Murray has quite possibly the filthiest mouth that I've ever seen displayed by a tennis player, with the exception of a few American players and Tommy Haas.

The language he uses simply crosses the line.
I won't ignore you, but I have little interest in debating a pseudo-intellectual Federer fanboy.
Ciao.
And you're audacious enough to accuse me of using ad hominem attacks ? Actually, this has gone beyond ad hominem attacks and ventured into unchartered territory. Moreover, I don't recall ever proclaiming myself to be an intellectual, but if disagreeing with you has resulted in earning myself such a title, that's quite fine with me.

Most posters that have any level of seniority are aware of my fondness for Roger, but they are also aware of my dislike for players don't fit a certain mold, call it snobbery or whatever you must, but take it easy.

Arrivederci.

Sebby
08-04-2008, 05:22 PM
:lol: Take it easy PD, it was all in good fun. :D

I don't know if you realize it, but you just insulted him in french :yeah:

prima donna
08-04-2008, 05:23 PM
I don't think it was a tomato, I can't remember now; maybe it was just paper or something like that. :shrug:

Yes it was a bit sad to see the decline, like Maria Callas' concert tour in 1974. :tape: It's difficult for them to let go when the voice in no longer there. I am not a big Pavarotti fan but his voice was undeniably something exceptional.

BTW, are you from Milano?



Sorry for the off topic discussion people. As for Murray, when I first saw him play I thought his antics were hilarious especially the way he used to berate himself on court. :lol: Last year it bacame a bit too much and I thought it was time for him to behave in a more mature way. It seems he has worked on that and his attitude these days has vastly improved. :yeah:

Yes, I'm originally from Milano, as is most of my family and I visit during holidays and vacations. As for declining, it's an inevitable occurrence for anyone that's the best at what they do, basic laws of physics: what goes up must come down.

The thing is, Maria Callas and Pavarotti had raised the bar so high, that people had come to expect perhaps even too much from them. I'm quite sure that to the untrained ear, their voices were just as beautiful as ever, but to the traditionalists, they were really quite pitiful. Opera is a taste that I'm still acquiring, so I can't boast of my keen ability to distinguish good from bad, but based on public opinion, those two deserved to be covered in tomatoes.

Just like you said, Roger deserved a few tomatoes and asparaguses thrown at him following the abysmal performances he's turned in this year.

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 05:29 PM
is ok near a "fuzzballs" italian girl?:devil::kiss::lol: Ok fuzzballs ;)

NinaNina19
08-04-2008, 05:36 PM
Murray has a good game though. While Djokovic played bad yesterday, Murray really didn't give him any opportunities to get into rytham. You see... What Nadal did was moonballing balls back for Djokovic to smash them every time, while Murray placed his shoots so deep most of the time, with average pace, but great accuracy. Some amazing defense too from Murray.Exactly.

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 05:38 PM
Like I said, the discussion has little to do with Murray at this point. And he's not my idol. No more than Federer is yours.

I'm not talking about how Federer acts today. You are aware of how Federer used to act, aren't you? He was one of the biggest brats to ever join the tour. Murray's attitude doesn't even compare to how Federer was in his early years.

It is telling that nothing Murray can do will change your opinion. That, to me, indicates someone with a closed mind and an irrational thought process.

I won't ignore you, but I have little interest in debating a pseudo-intellectual Federer fanboy.

Ciao.

affirmative. prima trolla is just interested in advocating and promoting mindless fanboyism. 2nd big objective is the rather aimless pursuit of pseudo-intellectualism.

vastly enfeebled poster with little or no headway in either endeavor.

quick to insult and attack others but crying uncle when somebody returns the well justified favor.

adee-gee
08-04-2008, 05:42 PM
Man I love when PD gets a bee in his bonnet :hearts:

I was going to debate with you, but that youtube video you posted ended any chance of me winning it. Clear proof that this Murray is indeed a terrible individual and a maniac :sad:

I guess Muzza needs some lessons from the classy gentleman Federer on how to behave on court :worship:

ms_ykAweKVY

prima donna
08-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Man I love when PD gets a bee in his bonnet :hearts:

I was going to debate with you, but that youtube video you posted ended any chance of me winning it. Clear proof that this Murray is indeed a terrible individual and a maniac :sad:
:lol:

Roger's demise has once again brought us all back together, now it's my duty to undermine the opposition by questioning their moral standing and other character attributes.

No, but really, it's not such a big deal. I'm just terrified at the thought of grunge rockers wearing tight leather pants attending tennis matches while chanting Andy Murray's name and hailing him as the next Shaft.

He's a bad man.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 05:50 PM
Man I love when PD gets a bee in his bonnet :hearts:

I was going to debate with you, but that youtube video you posted ended any chance of me winning it. Clear proof that this Murray is indeed a terrible individual and a maniac :sad:

I guess Muzza needs some lessons from the classy gentleman Federer on how to behave on court :worship:

ms_ykAweKVY

Classic :D

"Can you turn it off?"

"Shit! It's killing me today"

Gotta love the arrogance of someone asking for Hawkeye to be turned off.

Sebby
08-04-2008, 05:53 PM
I'm just terrified at the thought of grunge rockers wearing tight leather pants

Sorry but leather and grunge rock are like night and day.

Ever seen Kurt Cobain with leather pants ?


on the topic : Yeah, Murray is a brat and Federer a punk :rocker:

adee-gee
08-04-2008, 05:55 PM
:lol:

Roger's demise has once again brought us all back together, now it's my duty to undermine the opposition by questioning their moral standing and other character attributes.

No, but really, it's not such a big deal. I'm just terrified at the thought of grunge rockers wearing tight leather pants attending tennis matches while chanting Andy Murray's name and hailing him as the next Shaft.

He's a bad man.
:spit: I think that's unlikely to happen, you shouldn't get too worried.

In all seriousness, it does seem slightly strange that the 2 people you dislike most for their behaviour are ones with winning records over Federer. I mean, I'm not for a second suggesting your thinking might be influenced, I'm aware you're too knowledgable for that. I'm just slightly baffled as to why you don't focus on the behaviour of the likes of Safin and Malisse which would surely be even more against tennis etiquette than Nadal and Murray.

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 05:55 PM
C'mon now

Roger was just learning from Nadal's amazing rant in Dubai against Youz.. remember that one???
Rafa was arguing with THE CHALLENGE SCREEN FFS!!!! :lol:

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 05:57 PM
ohhh .. just thinking of those old Youz creaming Nadal matches from yesteryear :hearts:

look at his face, just LOOK at his face!!! :rolls:

prima donna
08-04-2008, 06:04 PM
:spit: I think that's unlikely to happen, you shouldn't get too worried.

In all seriousness, it does seem slightly strange that the 2 people you dislike most for their behaviour are ones with winning records over Federer. I mean, I'm not for a second suggesting your thinking might be influenced, I'm aware you're too knowledgable for that. I'm just slightly baffled as to why you don't focus on the behaviour of the likes of Safin and Malisse which would surely be even more against tennis etiquette than Nadal and Murray.
Safin has given Roger a headache or two, but I've never attacked him because he seems more like a cartoon than a volatile and hateful individual. I still remember him cradling Roger at the net following his victory in Melbourne, but defeat alone isn't sufficient reasoning for lamenting a particular player's demeanor.

Perhaps there's a correlation between being defiant and beating Roger, but it's merely coincidental that Nadal and Murray both disgust me in terms of their behavior. I'm not the only person to complain, other fans have as well, so maybe the price to pay for having testicular fortitude is being labeled as vile. Seems like a fair trade-off, no ?

prima donna
08-04-2008, 06:05 PM
Sorry but leather and grunge rock are like night and day.

That's the idea.

Metis
08-04-2008, 06:11 PM
it's the "attraction"of fed fans:o;)

so Andy show intelligent for understand it and work on it

Fedtards-Rafatards: it's a love-hate relationship :lol:


I don't know if you realize it, but you just insulted him in french :yeah:

:spit: Well, I'm not from a French-speaking country so it doesn't make sense that I would want to do that. Even though I speak that language I didn't even think of it that way until you mentioned it. :rolleyes:


Yes, I'm originally from Milano, as is most of my family and I visit during holidays and vacations. As for declining, it's an inevitable occurrence for anyone that's the best at what they do, basic laws of physics: what goes up must come down.

The thing is, Maria Callas and Pavarotti had raised the bar so high, that people had come to expect perhaps even too much from them. I'm quite sure that to the untrained ear, their voices were just as beautiful as ever, but to the traditionalists, they were really quite pitiful. Opera is a taste that I'm still acquiring, so I can't boast of my keen ability to distinguish good from bad, but based on public opinion, those two deserved to be covered in tomatoes.

Just like you said, Roger deserved a few tomatoes and asparaguses thrown at him following the abysmal performances he's turned in this year.

Yes, to the untrained ear it all sounds the same or as one of my friends used to say: "Why are they all barking like that?" :rolls:

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 06:14 PM
Fedtards-Rafatards: it's a love-hate relationship :lol:yes - they love us and we hate them ;)

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 06:17 PM
Safin has given Roger a headache or two, but I've never attacked him because he seems more like a cartoon than a volatile and hateful individual. I still remember him cradling Roger at the net following his victory in Melbourne, but defeat alone isn't sufficient reasoning for lamenting a particular player's demeanor.

Perhaps there's a correlation between being defiant and beating Roger, but it's merely coincidental that Nadal and Murray both disgust me in terms of their behavior. I'm not the only person to complain, other fans have as well, so maybe the price to pay for having testicular fortitude is being labeled as vile. Seems like a fair trade-off, no ?


your unremitting hatred of the Clay Monster is entirely a funcion of the fact that a mere clay courter with a one dimensional game--- who doesnt have a big serve, who cant volley, who cant hit an effcetive slice, and who cant return well--was still good enough to OWN and then bring down one of the greatest ever to play the game.

there is this particular Australian bull ant that, if cornered, becomes so mad that he bites off his tail. a battle ensues between the head and the tail. the head usually wins and the ant dies. you appear to be suffering a similar fate. save yourself and end this hatred at once. the whole world embraces Nadal for his testicular fortitude. why is it stopping you?

answer one simple question and answer it to yourself since we already know the answer:

Would you like to be in Nadal`s shoes right now?
defense rests.

Metis
08-04-2008, 06:19 PM
I guess Muzza needs some lessons from the classy gentleman Federer on how to behave on court :worship:

ms_ykAweKVY

:rolls: Classic :worship:


ohhh .. just thinking of those old Youz creaming Nadal matches from yesteryear :hearts:

look at his face, just LOOK at his face!!! :rolls:

Those were the days, no? :sad: :hug:


yes - they love us and we hate them ;)

So you're saying that Rafatards are nice people, not hateful towards anyone; it's the Fedtards that are always mean. :D

I say we love to hate each other :devil:

prima donna
08-04-2008, 06:19 PM
your unremitting hatred of the Clay Monster is entirely a funcion of the fact that a mere clay courter with a one dimensional game--- who doesnt have a big serve, who cant volley, who cant hit an effcetive slice, and who cant return well--was still good enough to OWN and then bring down one of the greatest ever to play the game.

there is this particular Australian bull ant that, if cornered, becomes so mad that he bites off his tail. a battle ensues between the head and the tail. the head usually wins and the ant dies. you appear to be suffering a similar fate. save yourself and end this hatred at once. the whole world embraces Nadal for his testicular fortitude. why is it stopping you?

answer one simple question and answer it to yourself since we already know the answer:

Would you like to be in Nadal`s shoes right now?
defense rests.

:spit::spit::haha::haha::haha:

Betty
08-04-2008, 06:24 PM
yes - they love us and we hate them ;)

:eek: start to run boy:devil:

Sebby
08-04-2008, 06:28 PM
Would you like to be in Nadal`s shoes right now?
defense rests.

Me, yeah. But only to shag Xisca :devil:

JolánGagó
08-04-2008, 06:30 PM
He's still a 1000 times better than any Itialian!

The words "tennis" and "Italian" don't belong in the same line, it's something like "English" and "pasta".

But that's quite off-topic here, agree.

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 06:32 PM
there is this particular Australian bull ant that, if cornered, becomes so mad that he bites off his tail. a battle ensues between the head and the tail. the head usually wins and the ant dies. madness!!
i want to see that

:eek: start to run boy:devil:;)

JolánGagó
08-04-2008, 06:33 PM
Er - isn't it against the Forum rules to post in anything but English here?

The rules in this place, like time between serves in the tour, are subjected to individual interpretations and particular tastes, it seems.

oranges
08-04-2008, 06:38 PM
The words "tennis" and "Italian" don't belong in the same line, it's something like "English" and "pasta".


Can't resist. Seppi begs to differ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBKRCKidy4)

prima donna
08-04-2008, 06:42 PM
Can't resist. Seppi begs to differ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBKRCKidy4)
That obviously was long before most of Nadal's newly acquired fans actually began following him.

finishingmove
08-04-2008, 06:46 PM
this thread is

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Sunset of Age
08-04-2008, 06:53 PM
this thread is

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As soon as the word 'tard' is uttered at least three times per post, you know it is. :shrug:

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 06:54 PM
:spit::spit::haha::haha::haha:


i knew that would leave you speechless.

defense rests. except in the Clay Monster`s case of course where the defense never rests. he defends even in his sleep. a very cold and utterly ruthless fact. as cold as death itself. every Federereeeeeeesian is now armed with this fact.

JolánGagó
08-04-2008, 06:55 PM
Yeah, no, Andy definitely brings in the wrong tennis crowd - the ones who like cat and mouse points, variety of spins and pace and positioning and thoughtful patterns of play.

Of course the British fans are well known for their boisterous spectator antics at Wimbledon, where the riot police are always on high alert, and some parts of the area around the Queens Club are no-go areas in summer thanks to those unruly Murray mobs.

And didn't some of his fans start fights at the Australian Open last year? No, wait, that wasn't him but they were no doubt taking their cue from Murray because of his soft-spoken, droney-voice and polite manner in interviews yet unruly hair and unshaven face antics and occasional on-court outburst. Like in the infamous days of McEnroe when tennis fans used to rampage throughout New York mugging old ladies and yelling YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!, the dark times have come again :(

I think we were on the point of civil disorder in Cincy yesterday thanks to those crazy Murray fans who just lower the tone, but in the end it was too darned hot for an insurrection so they politely waved their little hand-fans instead.

It's a good thing there's high security in Beijing for the Olympics - forget international terrorism - Murray fans are coming!!!

:bolt:

hahaha :worship:

I dunno what kind of tennis matches prima donna goes to in America. I've seen those only on TV, since I live in Europe, and have always found the general atmosphere during matches utterly annoying to the verge of disgust. Not only part of the public tend to act irrespectfully and rude, shouting, interrupting points, moving around all the time in total disregard for the players' concentration but even the umpires sometimes engage in behaviours one would hope to be better left to basketball or ice hockey matches. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears the other day when I saw and hear the umpire shouting SHUT UP to someone in the public as if it were his drunken wife coming back to the trailer and drilling him with some BS in the middle of the Super Bowl. I couldn't imagine something like that happening in Wimbledon, Paris or Barcelona.

Perhaps he/she is talking about matches at some manhattan club he overheard about and didn't quite get the right idea :rolleyes:

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 07:02 PM
a very cold and utterly ruthless fact. as cold as death itself.numbers are as cold as death itself and Rafa's has two huge melons in his pants, just like you ;)

prima donna
08-04-2008, 07:06 PM
hahaha :worship:

I dunno what kind of tennis matches prima donna goes to in America. I've seen those only on TV, since I live in Europe, and have always found the general atmosphere during matches utterly annoying to the verge of disgust. Not only part of the public tend to act irrespectfully and rude, shouting, interrupting points, moving around all the time in total disregard for the players' concentration but even the umpires sometimes engage in behaviours one would hope to be better left to basketball or ice hockey matches. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears the other day when I saw and hear the umpire shouting SHUT UP to someone in the public as if it were his drunken wife coming back to the trailer and drilling him with some BS in the middle of the Super Bowl. I couldn't imagine something like that happening in Wimbledon, Paris or Barcelona.

Perhaps he/she is talking about matches at some manhattan club he overheard about and didn't quite get the right idea :rolleyes:
Wow, talking to an Italian about rudeness, especially as it relates to tennis tournaments is amusing to say the least -- Rome is about as bad as it gets both in terms of spectators and players.

The rest of your post is just unstructured drivel.

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 07:09 PM
numbers are as cold as death itself and Rafa's has two huge melons in his pants, just like you ;)

affirmative. truer words were never spoken.

MacTheKnife
08-04-2008, 07:11 PM
And didn't some of his fans start fights at the Australian Open last year? No, wait, that wasn't him but they were no doubt taking their cue from Murray because of his soft-spoken, droney-voice and polite manner in interviews yet unruly hair and unshaven face antics and occasional on-court outburst. Like in the infamous days of McEnroe when tennis fans used to rampage throughout New York mugging old ladies and yelling YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!, the dark times have come again.

You guys crack me up about the behavior of these players today. Mac was the king of arrogant, annoyance, attitude, and a down right a$$hole. These guys playing today are school boys comparatively speaking. A Conners-McEnroe match was like sitting on a hand grenade, it wasn't if it was going to explode, it was just when and what would pull the pin.

The thing that really got to me about Mac was he could behave if he wanted to. Watch the 80 and 81 Wimby finals against Borg. He was a perfect gentleman. (I know, scary) but it's true. It seems he was only on his best behavior when playing someone he really respected. As for maturing, well Mac's 49 and I'm still waiting. (see Krickstien match earlier this year)

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 07:12 PM
Wow, talking to an Italian about rudeness, especially as it relates to tennis tournaments is amusing to say the least. Rome is about as bad as it gets both in terms of spectators and players.

The rest of your post is just unstructured drivel.

"unstructured drivel" always more amusing and quite often the truth than the structured drivel carefully devised and designed to hide the inevitible truth and conventional wisdom. just remember that we can all see pretty damn well as to what is really transpiring right before our collective eyes.

just pray for death.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 07:14 PM
Wow, talking to an Italian about rudeness, especially as it relates to tennis tournaments is amusing to say the least -- Rome is about as bad as it gets both in terms of spectators and players.

The rest of your post is just unstructured drivel.

I notice you edited your post to cover up your spelling troll attempt. Think better of it, given your own literary shortcomings?

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 07:19 PM
I notice you edited your post to cover up your spelling troll attempt. Think better of it, given your own literary shortcomings?

clydey this post was actually directed to prima trolla the head mtf pseudo intellectual-in-chief.

talk to me when you can speak 7 languages prima trolla. i see you are restless in your pursuit of "aimless and completely mindless pseudo-intellectualism".

we are not interested in your "structured drivel". tell us what you know about the sport itself.

oh yes. mindless, blind worship of the Fed wont do. that is not tennis knowledge.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 07:19 PM
"unstructured drivel" always more amusing and quite often the truth than the structured drivel carefully devised and designed to hide the inevitible truth and conventional wisdom.
We're drifting off topic, why don't you run along and further infest one of the numerous threads which you've created ?

This thread is about Andy Murray, I chimed in and expressed my dislike for his attitude on court, we've now gone from that to discussing why you think Nadal is the clay monster and a series of other events which have absolutely nothing to do with the original topic that at hand. Not even in a sub-format do the topics you're raising relate to the original topic.

This is exactly why moderators are forced to police threads, at least the essays I write from time to time have some form of relevance; your contributions are simply off pitch, take a walk already.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 07:23 PM
I notice you edited your post to cover up your spelling troll attempt. Think better of it, given your own literary shortcomings?
Why are you so angry ? I just can't seem to understand why you're always going off on a rampage against someone. RagingLamb was the first victim, now I'm the second victim, does it ever end ?

My god, such immaturity, one minute I'm being accused of playing verbal gymnastics and the next minute you're discussing my so-called "literary shortcomings."

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 07:24 PM
We're drifting off topic, why don't you run along and further infest one of the numerous threads which you've created ?

This thread is about Andy Murray, I chimed in and expressed my dislike for his attitude on court, we've now gone from that to discussing why you think Nadal is the clay monster and a series of other events which have absolutely nothing to do with the original topic that at hand. Not even in a sub-format do the topics you're raising relate to the original topic.

This is exactly why moderators are forced to police threads, at least the essays I write from time to time have some form of relevance; your contributions are simply off pitch, take a walk already.


so you are crying uncle already. how predictable can you really be? this borders on ridiculosity obviously but then again we are always certain to count on your "crying, weeping, and whaling propensities" when you lose. one would think you would be used to losing by now.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 07:28 PM
Why are you so angry ? I just can't seem to understand why you're always going off on a rampage against someone. RagingLamb was the first victim, now I'm the second victim, does it ever end ?

My god, such immaturity, one minute I'm being accused of playing verbal gymnastics and the next minute you're discussing my so-called "literary shortcomings."

I'm not angry. I'd simply prefer you not act like a spelling snob. This isn't the place to make fun of someone's spelling, particularly if English isn't their first language.

JolánGagó
08-04-2008, 07:32 PM
at least the essays I write from time to time have some form of relevance

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I think you might better try to get a life, this Grand endeavour of yours of writing "relevant essays" on MTF won't get you any bit as far as you might once have hoped you would some day arrive.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 07:34 PM
I'm not angry. I'd simply prefer you not act like a spelling snob. This isn't the place to make fun of someone's spelling, particularly if English isn't their first language.
Where did I make reference to anyone's spelling ? Italian is my first language and I'd like to see you write something other than "Ciao" with any sort of grammatical proficiency, so before referring to my "literary shortcomings", perhaps you should heed your own advice. That goes without stating that other than being slightly verbose, there is nothing lacking in terms of my command of the English language.

Clay Death
08-04-2008, 07:35 PM
I'm not angry. I'd simply prefer you not act like a spelling snob. This isn't the place to make fun of someone's spelling, particularly if English isn't their first language.

prima trolla is quick to attack and insult people with structured drivel but when they decide to dish some back, he cries uncle. so very bloody predictable.

tell us what you really know about the game. if we feel like reading some literature, we know where to find the public library.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 07:37 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I think you might better try to get a life, this Grand endeavour of yours of writing "relevant essays" on MTF won't get you any bit as far as you might once have hoped you would some day arrive.
Well, since people seem to harp on my every word, I do make an effort to explain myself coherently.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 07:45 PM
Where did I make reference to anyone's spelling ? Italian is my first language and I'd like to see you write something other than "Ciao" with any sort of grammatical proficiency, so before referring to my "literary shortcomings", perhaps you should heed your own advice. That goes without stating that other than being slightly verbose, there is nothing lacking in terms of my command of the English language.

In the following post you corrected another poster's spelling:

"Wow, talking to an Italian about rudeness, especially as it relates to tennis tournaments is amusing to say the least -- Rome is about as bad as it gets both in terms of spectators and players.

The rest of your post is just unstructured drivel."

I came back to the thread later and you had edited out the line and the post looks as it does above. Don't pretend that you didn't edit it out.

As for the rest of your post, I don't claim to know Italian. I also don't act like a spelling snob, pointing out others' spelling errors. Believe me, your command of English isn't perfect. This isn't the place to start flexing one's literary muscles, so I won't bother with an in depth critique. I wouldn't even have brought it up had you not decided to start mocking a foreign poster's spelling.

oranges
08-04-2008, 07:47 PM
:haha: Murray bandwagon has been hijacked.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/RTBrooke/hijack.gif

finishingmove
08-04-2008, 07:51 PM
andrew murray will win the US Open...





http://cache.bordom.net/images/cb38cb5004473ea6ba5e8f8c2f602940.jpg








...in 2034 (no, not on the senior circuit, but after being cryogenically frozen)

prima donna
08-04-2008, 07:52 PM
In the following post you corrected another poster's spelling:

"Wow, talking to an Italian about rudeness, especially as it relates to tennis tournaments is amusing to say the least -- Rome is about as bad as it gets both in terms of spectators and players.

The rest of your post is just unstructured drivel."

I came back to the thread later and you had edited out the line and the post looks as it does above. Don't pretend that you didn't edit it out.

As for the rest of your post, I don't claim to know Italian. I also don't act like a spelling snob, pointing out others' spelling errors. Believe me, your command of English isn't perfect. This isn't the place to start flexing one's literary muscles, so I won't bother with an in depth critique. I wouldn't even have brought it up had you not decided to start mocking a foreign poster's spelling.
Once again, I never corrected anyone's spelling, so I'll just disregard that comment all together. As for flexing my "literary muscles", most of the time when I post on this board, I do so applying informal and perhaps even colloquial language. There's no reason for me to prove that I'm educated by living up to your expectations of the manner in which I should express myself.

I'd also wish to reiterate the fact that you have the option of utilizing the ignore function, that is, assuming you're so troubled by my "literary shortcomings" and disdain for Murray's attitude that you find me to be insufferable. No one is forcing you to read me; there is no rule on MTF that unequivocally states that each member must thoroughly examine prima donna's posts for grammatical errors or fallacious reasoning, this is your prerogative and if you continue to exercise it by reading someone with whom you have so little in common, that must be a clear indication as to how unreasonable and irrational you are as an individual.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 08:00 PM
Once again, I never corrected anyone's spelling, so I'll just disregard that comment all together.

You sad, sad individual. You're lying and you know you are. I saw the post and I saw the edit.

I find it vaguely pathetic that you won't own up to it. You're not worth wasting any more time on.

JolánGagó
08-04-2008, 08:00 PM
No one is forcing you to read me; there is no rule on MTF that unequivocally states that each member must thoroughly examine prima donna's post for grammatical errors or fallacious reasoning, this is your prerogative and if you continue to exercise it by reading someone with whom you have so little in common, that must be a clear indication as to how unreasonable and irrational you are as an individual.

But you watch Nadal and Muzza matches, no? Are we then to conclude, in accordance with your theory above, that you're an unreasonable and irrational individual? :rolleyes:

Frankly, I think that's too many words to say what you are :lol:

finishingmove
08-04-2008, 08:03 PM
this thread is proof that murray related content should be prohibited on general messages.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 08:09 PM
You sad, sad individual. You're lying and you know you are. I saw the post and I saw the edit.

I find it vaguely pathetic that you won't own up to it. You're not worth wasting any more time on.
The only person guilty of deceit is you by making false accusations that I published something which I never actually published. Based on what I've been taught, isn't that to be considered libel ?

Get over the fact that I refuse to shower Murray with praise. Stop fabricating the truth and just enjoy the damn tennis.

Clydey
08-04-2008, 08:17 PM
The only person guilty of deceit is you by making false accusations that I published something which I never actually published. Based on what I've been taught, isn't that to be considered libel ?


It's not libel if it's true, genius.

Pathetic.

prima donna
08-04-2008, 08:22 PM
It's not libel if it's true, genius.

Pathetic.
The levels to which people will stoop in order to attract attention to themselves.

Hey, by the way, I still think Murray is a pusher and has an awful attitude -- do something about it, muscles.

octatennis
08-04-2008, 08:25 PM
this is going to crash so bad...:wavey:

ghostbear
08-04-2008, 08:26 PM
You two should get a room. :dance:

MacTheKnife
08-04-2008, 08:45 PM
This thread has become a pissing contest instead of bandwagoning.. :cuckoo: