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Cincy Final: Murray beats Djokovic 7-6(4) 7-6(5) to win his 1st AMS title

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LinkMage
08-03-2008, 09:38 PM
Great job Muzza! :hatoff:

Good thing he recovered from that choke at 5-3 in the 2nd.

Djokovic was very poor today.


Some stats:

Murray: 16 winners, 43 UEs :o
Djokovic: 31 winners, 54 UEs :o

Black Adam
08-03-2008, 09:39 PM
:worship:Congrats Murray!!:worship:

I believe he is on his way to number 4 and is now a serious contender for the slams. A mini-choke towards the end when he was serving for the match but he held his nerve to grind out the second tiebreak to win his first big Title. Unlike with Berdych, I am confident this is the first of many. He seems to have put his act together(Mentally and attitude wise)

P.S This should give the British press a great opportunity to overhype him as the next GOAT ;) The Gloating will be exciting as they will refer to him as the BRITISH pride. Now had he choked away thetitle it would be more along the lines of " The young SCOTSMAN came quite close......" I love our press because they are the most useless and sensationalist in the world:o:rolleyes:

miura
08-03-2008, 09:39 PM
Congratulations Murray and all his fans. Brilliant display and surely a fully deserved title! :)

TheBoiledEgg
08-03-2008, 09:39 PM
so i take it the "King" is Dead :tape: :spit:

that was one short reign if ever :haha:

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 09:39 PM
good job mandy, u beat quazi-nole.

any ferrer will wipe the floor with this pusher at the US Open

adee-gee
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Oh dear lord those last few games were painful :sobbing:

Andy you little beauty :inlove: I thought you'd choked it away :bigcry:

NinaNina19
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Go Andy!!!

LocoPorElTenis
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
All jump aboard the Muzza bandwagon :drive:

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
What a choke from Murray at 5-3....

prima donna
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Well played by Andy Murray.

rocketassist
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Unbelieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeevableeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ee

tealeaves
08-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Murray :)
sooooo close losing 2nd set

Rogieva
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
What a choke at 5-3

Would love to have seen a 3rd set.

Justin425
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Djokovic was awful. How this match went to 2 tiebreaks is beyond me. I'm pretty sure Nadal or Fed coulda won this 6-1,6-3. Ive never seen someone miss so many sitter fhs.

Voo de Mar
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Congrats Murray :yeah: He should be 4th player in the world after US Open. He is definitely better now than Denko and Pics.

D'Joke has lost 6-7 6-7 for the second time (previously against ToJo).

A point at 4:4 in the 2nd tie-break :worship:

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Congrats Murray (and Murray fans)!

Totally deserved win by Murray! He's been playing great tennis since Wimbledon :yeah:

I'm actually very pleased for him :)

Darran
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Well done Andy, good shot at the US open now.

kafemotor
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
So nole know by now that Muzza is the worst match up for him on HC... Olympic and US open sooner

habibko
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
took him 6 match points to finally do it, what a win Muzza, fully deserved one :worship: what a great match, possibly the match of the tournament, hard luck djoko you did very well :)

Smoke944
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Match was barely deserving of being a MM tournament final :yeah:
This match makes me appreciate Nadal more though, way to show passion and fight Novak :rolleyes:

rocketassist
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
f.u.c.k y.e.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s

Clydey
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Well played by Andy. A lesser player would have lost it after throwing away 4 MPs. Winning is the sign of an elite player.

zicofirol
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
murray played well, deserved to win...

LocoPorElTenis
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Absolutely awful match by Nole. I'm far from his fan but he was light years from his true level and still it was a very close match. Djokovic is still number 1 candidate for the USO in my opinion.

swebright
08-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Good job, Andy.

Does Djoko have a hangover too?
Did he celebrate his defeat of Rafa too much?
Suddendly tired?

Tess Gray
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Well played by Andy, but still pretty poor play from Nole:o

Congratulations on your first AMS title Andy! :D

Fee
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Wow that match was all over the place, Nole was kind of schizo out there. Kudos to Murray for keeping his head together and pulling through after giving up the match points. He fully deserves this shield.

Get some rest Nole (and perhaps do some journal writing to clear your head, how mental are you? ).

I love watching these two play each other, lots of fun for me. :)

Naranoc
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Well deserved :yeah:

It would be funny to see the mass support on MTF now switch from Nadal to Djokovic to Murray.

HoistDaColors
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
POR FIN

I thought Andy would never close it out. Some good defense from Novak though.

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Good job, Murray. Nole wasn't even there for the 1st set but Murray took advantage of Djokovic's (ONE AGAIN) passiveness.

Rafalover15
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Bloody hell

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Come on Murray knew you could take him out :banana: Yessssssssssss

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Fantastic display from Muzza! :bounce: :bowdown: :hatoff:

After Muzza was up 5-3, Djoko upped his level (I'm not all too fond of the term 'choking' ;)), and I expected it to become a tough affair there - Djoko really fought all he was worth of in that second set. Perhaps this match should have deserved a third one.

Great to see Djoko being such a good sport in this match. The guy is really, really improving in the Behaviour Department, it must be said! :hug:

I'm so happy we can now finally conclude that Muzza indeed seems to have what it takes. First Master's Shield - I'm hoping for more to follow in the future.

Deathless Mortal
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Some nice points but overall not a great match. Congrats to Murray for holding his nerve and finding a way to still win this match after that choke at 5-3. Djokovic's attitude, especially in the late 2nd set :rolleyes:

anon57
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Congrats to Murray with his first AMS title:yeah:, maybe he should have won the match sooner but at least he got the win in the end.

Regenbogen
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
:woohoo:

I'm so glad he finally won one.

elessar
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Great that Andy came through and won his first MS, but frankly a disappointing level from both especially in the big moments :o

RogandyFan
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Wasn't pretty but yes!! Haters please be more bitter :p. Edit: Nole's behavior has largely improved lately. time to stop participating in that laughing thread. Fed please snap out of it soon.

Lullaby
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
wow he puts he through the mill .... congrats andy awesome win and great guts to come back after that choke (He is maturing so fast, would have lost that earlier this year)

crude oil
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
weird match.

djokovic did his best to tank and murray did his best to choke.

And then suddenly, djokovic started to fight and andy showed some good resolve at the end.

Rafalover15
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Loved the hug at the end

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Great job Muzza! :hatoff:

Good thing he recovered from that choke at 5-3 in the 2nd.

Djokovic was very poor today.


Some stats:

Murray: 16 winners, 43 UEs :o
Djokovic: 43 winners, 54 UEs :o
Say what ? ?

Clydey
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
To be fair, Nole played fantastic on those MPs. The doubles earlier in the game were a choke, but after that Nole came up with the goods. I don't think it's a coincidence that Nole hasn't played his best two weeks in a row against Murray. Murray obviously does that to him.

Jagermeister
08-03-2008, 09:44 PM
Good job by Murray. Djokovic had 31 ue's in the first set? LOL

lina_seta
08-03-2008, 09:44 PM
OMG amazing match... Congrats for murray!!! woohooooooo
best tournament of the year!!! result wise for me...
unexpected, entertaining, memorable and highly significant with all that happened this week...

i didnt know who to root for... i was so torn between... mind=andy, heart=novak lol... overall happy!

GlennMirnyi
08-03-2008, 09:44 PM
What an awful match.

Congrats Murray.

zicofirol
08-03-2008, 09:44 PM
Djokovic was awful. How this match went to 2 tiebreaks is beyond me. I'm pretty sure Nadal or Fed coulda won this 6-1,6-3. Ive never seen someone miss so many sitter fhs.

nadal had his chance and it was 1-6 5-7...

~Maya~
08-03-2008, 09:44 PM
Great job Murray. Deserved win.
Nole:hug: I don't know what to think. Still great result getting to final

*Ljubica*
08-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Congrats to Andy and his fans. I am sad but he was the better player tonight, and deserved to win. Novak :hug:

dweijnen
08-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Fantastic

Xenosys
08-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Congratulations Muzza on a first of many major titles I'm sure. Nerve-shredding stuff at the end but a fully deserved victory none the less. I've seen Djokovic play better, especially in the first set. He just wouldn't be British without putting us through the wringers towards the finale.

He's looked superb this last couple of months and testament to him, and this is fine reward for all the hard work he's put in over the past 9 months+.

Branimir
08-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Congrats Nole for the win! You managed to beat yourself in this match. 54 unforced errors? Damn... That is a lot.
Gratz tu Murray, really improved player. Must be said.

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 09:45 PM
brad gilbert hit more winners per match than murray does monthly

vincayou
08-03-2008, 09:46 PM
Excellent win for Murray. I was so afraid when he choked at 5-3 (2 DF...) but he recovered well, a bit helped by an average Djokovic today.

Who's gonna win US Open now? Hard to tell.

dodoboy
08-03-2008, 09:46 PM
I was so scared it was going to go to a 3rd set!

Well done Murray!


Horrid from NOLE! I mean TERRIBLE! He started playing better towards the end but too late!

point at 4-4 in TB best rally ever :rolls:

Well done Murray! Get a medal in Olympics and i guarantee knighthood in the UK!! :)

:WOOHOO:

rocketassist
08-03-2008, 09:46 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Puschkin
08-03-2008, 09:47 PM
Fantastic display from Muzza! :bounce: :bowdown: :hatoff:
:eek:
16 winners, 43 unforced errors win you a title on a fast hardcourt these days.

Guga_fan
08-03-2008, 09:47 PM
Really bad match from Djokovic, and not the best form Murray. Andy's chokes were probably caused by to much pressure, and Novak's display is really hard to explain, considering how he played yesterday, if he was going to play like this, he should have lost to Rafa, to make that final a good one.

Congrats for Andy on his first AMS title.

Clydey
08-03-2008, 09:47 PM
To be fair, neither played their best tennis really. The heat obviusly was a factor.

dodoboy
08-03-2008, 09:47 PM
The Hug at the end :hearts:

Sheepy
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Andy! :woohoo: :woohoo:

So pleased he got it in two; was worried he'd had his chance after missing the match point at 5-3...

shotgun
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Deserved title for Murray, let the British wankfest begin. :lol:

Very strange attitude by Djokovic today. :confused:

Ackms421
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
As a Nadal fan, I am happy that Murray's new supposed advantage over Nole puts Rafa back up there in the mix for the USO. Imagine if Murray and Federer are on Djokovic's side of the draw. :drool:

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
best thing about this match is disney's speech at the end

elessar
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Great job Muzza! :hatoff:

Good thing he recovered from that choke at 5-3 in the 2nd.

Djokovic was very poor today.


Some stats:

Murray: 16 winners, 43 UEs :o
Djokovic: 43 winners, 54 UEs :o
Wasn't it 31 winners for Djokovic ?

tealeaves
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
I was tracking the score board,when Murray screwed at 5*-3, seconds later It turns to 5*-5
I thought Murray would hand the 2nd set to Nole..but he hanged there and won by a nail-biting TB :)

Murray deserved higher places in Ranking...win a slam please for the Brits :)

David Kenzie
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Etienne de Villier is pathetic. I'd never seen him talk before !

rocketassist
08-03-2008, 09:48 PM
'faints'

rofe
08-03-2008, 09:49 PM
Fantastic match for Andy that included a fantastic choke. :D

I sure hope that this is the start of something good for him.

Who would have thought that Djokovic would wither away faster in the heat?

Andy realized this and played with very little pace on his shots forcing Novak to generate his own pace and come up with the UE.

More importantly, Andy kept his head together through the duration of the match and especially after the massive choke.

This should give him a lot of confidence going into the USO. :yeah:

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 09:49 PM
Really bad match from Djokovic, and not the best form Murray. Andy's chokes were probably caused by to much pressure, and Novak's display is really hard to explain, considering how he played yesterday, if he was going to play like this, he should have lost to Rafa, to make that final a good one.

Congrats for Andy on his first AMS title.

Exactly. If Novak played like he did today against Nadal, he would have been bageled at LEAST once.

scarecrows
08-03-2008, 09:49 PM
:eek:
16 winners, 43 unforced errors win you a title on a fast hardcourt these days.

that's where tennis has sunk :sad:

schorsch
08-03-2008, 09:49 PM
nole and andy murray talking about etienne behind his back giggling :spit: and also looking like : would you just shut up already? :spit:

well done muzza...

keep going nole :)

dodoboy
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
give em the trophies already!

Mashachosen1
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
5 CP but still made it. Congrats Andy :yeah: Too many forehand errors for Nole but still his backhand were kicking! Totally enjoy this match.

Guga_fan
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
To be fair, Nole played fantastic on those MPs. The doubles earlier in the game were a choke, but after that Nole came up with the goods. I don't think it's a coincidence that Nole hasn't played his best two weeks in a row against Murray. Murray obviously does that to him.

Are you saying that Murray causes Nole to make 54 UEs, two double faults to lose his break advantage, and two double faults in the tiebreak? Murray didn't even have to attack to win this one, but his victory was sure deserved.

arm
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
Congrats, Murray. :yeah:

Djokovic, how many UE's? How can somebody play so well and the next day play like that? :scratch:

freeandlonely
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
Strange match, is there too hot?
But congrats Andy:)
Novak:confused::o

nastoff
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
Murray has been playing his best tennis - also in Canada - and will be one of the favourites for the US Open. Novak had an ok match but the serve was off today, so many double faults. But it looks like he's getting back into form just in time.
Congrats to Andy for his first ever Master title.

Corey Feldman
08-03-2008, 09:50 PM
:woohoo:

proud of that Scottish kid ;)

soraya
08-03-2008, 09:51 PM
Great win by Andy, congrats.

dodoboy
08-03-2008, 09:52 PM
They both look real friendly!

Athletics1982
08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Andy Murray defeat Novak Djokovic, Novak Djokovic defeat Rafael Nadal, Rafael Nadal defeat Andy Murray, what an interesting circle.

And congratulations to Murray for his first AMS title

Jaap
08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
England back on the tennis map.

LinkMage
08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Wasn't it 31 winners for Djokovic ?



Yup, you are right. Thanks!

adee-gee
08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Murray will never hit a lot of clean winners, his groundstrokes aren't like that.

He's definitely being more aggressive, players will get to a lot of balls but not necessarily get them back. Very solid performance today until 5-3 in the 2nd, deserved to win without a doubt.

Fitness training paying off as well, looked the far fitter of the 2 out there.

safinalium
08-03-2008, 09:54 PM
Great performance by Murray though he should've closed the second set earlier. Congrats on his first AMS title, hope there are many more to come. There's nothing better for the game than more competition between good players.

potres
08-03-2008, 09:54 PM
congrats andy :woohoo:

djoko :o i feel like catching some :zzz: now after all those UE. Still, great job andy. He still had to be beaten i guess :confused:

Clydey
08-03-2008, 09:54 PM
Are you saying that Murray causes Nole to make 54 UEs, two double faults to lose his break advantage, and two double faults in the tiebreak? Murray didn't even have to attack to win this one, but his victory was sure deserved.

Of course. He played with great depth and changed the pace. You have to remember that there isn't a machine that calculates UEs. A deep shot that causes an error is often added as an UE.

FiBeR
08-03-2008, 09:54 PM
:haha: i love it!

djokovic's b*tch sent the joke back to where he belongs :spit:

:lol: i love it as all djokotards were blooming here yesterday and now they re back where they came from :rolls:

Nice played by Murray.. Djokovic was too *mentally tired*/*happy for yesterday's win and couldnt care to win a TMS Title*/*thinking about olympics-us open*/*not in a good day*/etc :lol:

Mashachosen1
08-03-2008, 09:55 PM
Exactly. If Novak played like he did today against Nadal, he would have been bageled at LEAST once.

Perhaps, he's forehand made alot of errors today.. but Andy's returned was pretty good. Even Ivo's massive serves he can still handle pretty well. Well done Andy :yeah:

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 09:55 PM
so now gasquet is the only youngster (nadal, djokovic, murray,bagdatis, berdych..) who didnt have a TMS or a GS final ... great...
Idiot right here. Gasquet has reached 2 master series finals. Both against an in form Federer.

potres
08-03-2008, 09:56 PM
England back on the tennis map.

:tape: not quite. murray is from Scotland ;)

Clydey
08-03-2008, 09:56 PM
England back on the tennis map.

Nice troll attempt ;)

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 09:56 PM
'...oh yeah... i nearly forgot.. i'd like to thank my brother as well... even tho he's sometimes more of a hinderance... ... .. but thanks anyway...'

:lol:

great victory speech...

was anyone else mighty pissed at Entienne De Villiers for trying to grandstand with a sh!te speech...? sucking up to the fans... made me that angry that i kicked the neighbours cat... what a fukn tosser...

Deathless Mortal
08-03-2008, 09:56 PM
England back on the tennis map.

How is it England, again?

green25814
08-03-2008, 09:57 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *orgasms*

muzza :D

adee-gee
08-03-2008, 09:58 PM
:tape: not quite. murray is from Scotland ;)
He's fully aware ;)

Muzza = Pride of Scotland :worship:

schorsch
08-03-2008, 09:59 PM
'...oh yeah... i nearly forgot.. i'd like to thank my brother as well... even tho he's sometimes more of a hinderance... ... .. but thanks anyway...'

:lol:

great victory speech...

was anyone else mighty pissed at Entienne De Villiers for trying to grandstand with a sh!te speech...? sucking up to the fans... made me that angry that i kicked the neighbours cat... what a fukn tosser...

i know. :spit: poor jamie.

but well, did you see how nole and muzza were makin' fun of de villiers behind his back and then looked like: would you just shup up and leave already? :spit:

Blue Heart24
08-03-2008, 10:01 PM
:yeah:

Bascule
08-03-2008, 10:01 PM
Wonderful day for Muzza, his family, Scotland and great Britain as well. Congratulations!

Xenosys
08-03-2008, 10:03 PM
Idiot right here. Gasquet has reached 2 master series finals. Both against an in form Federer.

I don't think he/she meant TMS Final or GS Final. I think he meant TMS Title or GS Final. Either that or I'm just making unncessary excuses for him/her :)

Guga_fan
08-03-2008, 10:04 PM
Of course. He played with great depth and changed the pace. You have to remember that there isn't a machine that calculates UEs. A deep shot that causes an error is often added as an UE.

Nadal does the same many times, and I've never seen Djokovic having that many UEs against him. Saying that Andy can cause that many UEs doen not make sense.

Merton
08-03-2008, 10:04 PM
Well done Andy, a very uneven match, mostly ugly but good shot making at times. Quite a drama at the end, Murray failed to serve out the match at *5-3 in the 2nd, then made a brilliant backhand winner at 4-4 in the tiebreak after a brutal exchange of groundstrokes. You could tell the match was over after that, Nole looked out of breath and promptly double-faulted on the next point.

TMJordan
08-03-2008, 10:04 PM
Tennis is dead.

Andi-M
08-03-2008, 10:04 PM
:banana:Wooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo :banana:

Oh yeh !!!!!!

Phenomenal attitude from Muzza after choking at 5/3 i was really worried he'd thrown it all away but he never gave up never surrendered and pulled through :D

The tennis wasnt great UE's all over from both. Djokes FH was nowhere near the standard of last night.

And some of Muzza's 2nd serves < WTA standard. :o

But there were some absolute stunners in there as well as you can expect when these 2 talented tennis maestro's are on court.

Brilliant Mr Murray.... Welcome to the bigtime...:yeah:

scoobs
08-03-2008, 10:05 PM
Delighted for Andy - absolutely delighted.

Relieved too - that he finally got over the hurdle after continually running into it - okay Djokovic upped his level on the match points but he tightened up and the got broken back. I saw a highly ugly third set coming cos they both looked drained, Djokovic more so than Andy though.

I was glad Andy had to do it on his own serve and hit a winner to finish the match - better in the long run that he had to do it here albeit in the breaker - better he now has that experience in the bank.

The match itself was...strange in some ways...there was some fabulous cat and mouse rallies in there, a lot of UEs from Novak somewhat inexplicably, and a lot of UEs from Murray trying to force the issue and overpressing.

Have to take into account the conditions and relative tiredness of both though - 104C on court for 2 hours of gruelling rallies - yeah you'll feel tired too.

Not Djokovic's best match obviously, Andy has played better too but he played well enough for his first final at this level and at least showed no fear of the opponent even if the situation nearly knocked him off course at the end.

For Novak - well it's been a good week overall, especially the win over Nadal, but I don't think he'll be entirely happy with his match today.

For Andy, a very good two weeks work :yeah:

Marksman
08-03-2008, 10:06 PM
Andy! :yeah:

True Scottish Grit :worship:

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 10:07 PM
:banana:Wooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo :banana:

Oh yeh !!!!!!

Phenomenal attitude from Muzza after choking at 5/3 i was really worried he'd thrown it all away but he never gave up never surrendered and pulled through :D

The tennis wasnt great UE's all over from both. Djokes FH was nowhere near the standard of last night.

And some of Muzza's 2nd serves < WTA standard. :o

But there were some absolute stunners in there as well as you can expect when these 2 talented tennis maestro's are on court.

Brilliant Mr Murray.... Welcome to the bigtime...:yeah:
Murray? Tennis Maestro? :lol:

Jimnik
08-03-2008, 10:08 PM
Expected, deserved and long overdue win for Muzza. :yeah:

Some greats points but mostly quite an ugly match. I was so sure that Andy choked it away but Djoker didn't fight as hard as I thought he would. It almost looked like they both had their mind half on the job and half on the Olympics already.

Mr Disney's speech at the end. :tape:

Clydey
08-03-2008, 10:08 PM
Nadal does the same many times, and I've never seen Djokovic having that many UEs against him. Saying that Andy can cause that many UEs doen not make sense.

He can cause errors, not UEs obviously. Like I said, deciding what is an UE is not an exact science. It's subjective.

I can't be bothered arguing really. Djokovic just happened to stink up the joint 2 weeks in row against Murray. Muzza played no part in it.

People put too much emphasis on stats anyway. Nole had more winners, but that doesn't count shots that the opponent gets their racket on but can't get back. If Murray hits a backhand up the line that wins him the point but Djokovic gets a racket on it, that isn't counted as a winner. You really can't put so much emphasis on stats.

hilluis
08-03-2008, 10:08 PM
de Villiers thought he was making an Oscar speech. He certainly lays it on and manages to come across as totally insincere. Didnt even have his facts right, said Andy was born in Edinburgh when he was born in Dunblane.... pretty hopeless for the President of mens' tennis.

MrChopin
08-03-2008, 10:09 PM
Exactly. If Novak played like he did today against Nadal, he would have been bageled at LEAST once.

:haha: More like at least two bagels.

This was an ugly match. When someone stays with Novak or even outhits him, like Fed at MC, Rafa numerous times, and Murray today, he's at a total loss as to where to go. This match totally reminded me of the RG semi, Joke checking out after getting beaten solidly for a set+ and then fighting back near the end when an opponent's level has dropped. It will be interesting to see how he responds to this loss. Of course he's still the favorite for USO.

Murray played well for the first set, and his returning was great. I would have liked him to pull the trigger a little more, but he did what was necessary, at least until that monumental choke at 5-3. Still, he kept his composure, which is probably the biggest improvement of all in his game. Well done Murray!

scoobs
08-03-2008, 10:09 PM
Can I also say, in bold if I may

Keep Etienne de Villiers away from the microphone

The man has the charisma of soggy cardboard and didn't miss a single wrong note in that "speech" of his. Awful, just awful. What was that? A plea for his job? A Disney soliloquy? The sentiments - fine - but could he have expressed them any more cringeworthily?

Lock him up. Gag him. Do *something*.

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 10:10 PM
Yeah dV is a moron. Everyone knows this, but Edinburgh? Dunblane?

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 10:11 PM
but well, did you see how nole and muzza were makin' fun of de villiers behind his back and then looked like: would you just shup up and leave already? :spit:

yeah.... they all know he's sucking up cos he's put the men's game in the biggest hole ever...

platinum
08-03-2008, 10:11 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Murray :rocker2::rocker2::rocker2:

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 10:11 PM
Can I also say, in bold if I may

Keep Etienne de Villiers away from the microphone

The man has the charisma of soggy cardboard and didn't miss a single wrong note in that "speech" of his. Awful, just awful. What was that? A plea for his job? A Disney soliloquy? The sentiments - fine - but could he have expressed them any more cringeworthily?

Lock him up. Gag him. Do *something*.

I'd say, keep him away from tennis in general. :angel:

gaynor
08-03-2008, 10:11 PM
Number 2 behind Nadal after the AO should be Andy's goal now.

The Freak
08-03-2008, 10:12 PM
Good job Andy :yeah:

The match itself put me to sleep though.

Jimnik
08-03-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah dV is a moron. Everyone knows this, but Edinburgh? Dunblane?
Actually Murray wants this because he doesn't like people asking him about the Dunblane massacre. He's always presented as being from Edinburgh.

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 10:14 PM
congrats to andy tho...

he's done wonders for the celtic breed everywhere... we may be ugly... but we can still win sh!t...

viva junkball... djokovic polayed same in both matches... i agree with the posters who are saying that this is novak's toughest opponent today... his game just matches up terribly for the poor faker... murray is the anti-rhythm...

Fee
08-03-2008, 10:14 PM
He's fully aware ;)

Muzza = Pride of Scotland :worship:

Enough to make your change your flag back. :)

Can I also say, in bold if I may

Keep Etienne de Villiers away from the microphone

The man has the charisma of soggy cardboard and didn't miss a single wrong note in that "speech" of his. Awful, just awful. What was that? A plea for his job? A Disney soliloquy? The sentiments - fine - but could he have expressed them any more cringeworthily?

Lock him up. Gag him. Do *something*.

Oh goddess, I'm kind of sorry they didn't show this train wreck in the US (but it would have been fun to see Andy and Nole giggling behind him :inlove: )

green25814
08-03-2008, 10:15 PM
Murray? Tennis Maestro? :lol:

:crying2: poor baby.

The point at 4-4 second tb basically won murray the match i think :p

thelma
08-03-2008, 10:15 PM
:D:worship:

luie
08-03-2008, 10:18 PM
Novak looked breathless !!!! If some-one can hang with him in rallies long enough,,they would have a great chance of winning. imo.

ShimSham
08-03-2008, 10:18 PM
The better player on the day won. Congrats Murray! :D

nole and andy murray talking about etienne behind his back giggling :spit: and also looking like : would you just shut up already? :spit:

Yeah I noticed that. :p

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 10:18 PM
Actually Murray wants this because he doesn't like people asking him about the Dunblane massacre. He's always presented as being from Edinburgh.
Ahhh I heard about that once, wasn't Murray close to the guy ?

Avid Merrion
08-03-2008, 10:19 PM
:banana: well done Andy!! :D congrats on your first Masters title :yeah:

betowiec
08-03-2008, 10:19 PM
well done muzza

Jimnik
08-03-2008, 10:20 PM
Ahhh I heard about that once, wasn't Murray close to the guy ?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/05062008/3/tennis-star-murray-reveals-dunblane-massacre-heartache.html

luie
08-03-2008, 10:21 PM
Novak is not the same player he once was..Now murray is getting into his head,,after a massive choke he still couldn't beat murray.

Labamba
08-03-2008, 10:22 PM
Nice one Muzza :yeah:

Welcome to the big boys club

Kore
08-03-2008, 10:22 PM
Congrats Murray!
I like them both! I liked the way they weree after the match, huggin and saying good things about eachother and joking.

then Djoker trying to knick his trophy. lol!

anyway... good match, i was on the edge of my seat when Murray squandered those 4CP's haha. :D

SwiSha
08-03-2008, 10:23 PM
great fucking stuff Murray

Guga_fan
08-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Novak looked breathless !!!! If some-one can hang with him in rallies long enough,,they would have a great chance of winning. imo.
I don't think his breathless was caused by long rallies, but by the heat. He played a much more tiring match against Rafa on clay in Hamburg, and played his best until the end. And he won long 5-setters last year.

The Pro
08-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Well done Muzza! :cool:

JolánGagó
08-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Huge congrats, Muzza.

Bilbo
08-03-2008, 10:26 PM
this murray is good

Manon
08-03-2008, 10:27 PM
Novak was the worst I can imagine. Aside that Murray tennis is the most digusting tenis I've ever seen. Guy was 5-6 winners and this the good game? Bolelli, came back, all forgiven. Defensive, defensive...this is not tennis. But he took his chance. At least I am sure he can't play better.

Well Mr Murray, congratulations but I wish Gasqet always took your measure. This poor game had success with Federer, now with the very worst Novak.

Voo de Mar
08-03-2008, 10:27 PM
Murray's TB record after this final: 45-27 (.625)
Djokovic: 70-29 (.721)

adee-gee
08-03-2008, 10:29 PM
Novak was the worst I can imagine. Aside that Murray tennis is the most digusting tenis I've ever seen. Guy was 5-6 winners and this the good game? Bolelli, came back, all forgiven. Defensive, defensive...this is not tennis. But he took his chance. At least I am sure he can't play better.

Well Mr Murray, congratulations but I wish Gasqet always took your measure. This poor game had success with Federer, now with the very worst Novak.
:awww: :baby:

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg

ShimSham
08-03-2008, 10:29 PM
Can I also say, in bold if I may

Keep Etienne de Villiers away from the microphone

The man has the charisma of soggy cardboard and didn't miss a single wrong note in that "speech" of his. Awful, just awful. What was that? A plea for his job? A Disney soliloquy? The sentiments - fine - but could he have expressed them any more cringeworthily?

Lock him up. Gag him. Do *something*.
You must have forgotten Shanghai 2006. Etienne de Villiers speech, at the Master's cup nearly made me vomit.:o

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 10:31 PM
Novak was the worst I can imagine. Aside that Murray tennis is the most digusting tenis I've ever seen. Guy was 5-6 winners and this the good game? Bolelli, came back, all forgiven. Defensive, defensive...this is not tennis. But he took his chance. At least I am sure he can't play better.

Well Mr Murray, congratulations but I wish Gasqet always took your measure. This poor game had success with Federer, now with the very worst Novak.
An ageing Federer. Djokovic isn't in his peak yet. 4-2 record still...

Andi-M
08-03-2008, 10:32 PM
Congrats Murray!
I like them both! I liked the way they weree after the match, huggin and saying good things about eachother and joking.

then Djoker trying to knick his trophy. lol!

anyway... good match, i was on the edge of my seat when Murray squandered those 4CP's haha. :D

Its nice their friendship is genuine. They truly like and respect each other.

Murray's dry sense humor is really beginning to show through recently in his interviews,and with his magic game and elimination of his bitching on court he will become a real crowd favourite.

Jelena_78
08-03-2008, 10:36 PM
Congratulations Andy!!!!!!!!!!! :)

:worship:

Corey Feldman
08-03-2008, 10:36 PM
Ohhhh Muzza wuzza , how sweet it is :lol:
where is Faren and some others to remind me of that 6-1 6-0's in Miami semis or whatever wherever ??
:rolls:

Muzza - Tie Break King :yeah:

Every 5 years a brit wins a TMS

1998 Paris - Rusedski
2003 Paris - Henman
2008 Cincinnati - Murray

Corey Feldman
08-03-2008, 10:36 PM
Poor Boiled Egg must be gutted

Murraymaniac
08-03-2008, 10:37 PM
Well played Andy, not pretty but heartpounding all the same - here's to a decent USO showing!

Unlucky Nole, good to see him gracious in defeat.

scoobs
08-03-2008, 10:37 PM
You must have forgotten Shanghai 2006. Etienne de Villiers speech, at the Master's cup nearly made me vomit.:o
Oh I haven't forgotten - when I saw him here in Cincy waiting to speak, my heart lurched.

I didn't need the reminder and I wish he'd stayed in Delaware plotting how to ruin the ATP.

MurrayMania
08-03-2008, 10:40 PM
Vamos Andy, get a fucking shave :devil:

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 10:40 PM
anyone who knocks murrays game obviously doesnt get it...

its a different mentality to attack someone when that person is openly asking you to attack them at times...

in saying that... i used to hate facing murray types as a junior... players that just lollipop the ball where they want... then smack a clean winner seemingly for the hell of it every once in a blue moon... i guess u appreciate it more as you age..

refined taste this murray...
:lol:

Shooze4ever
08-03-2008, 10:41 PM
Wtg Andy!! Well Done. & Congrats!

JustJames
08-03-2008, 10:44 PM
Nice one Muzzzaaaa... :yeah:

I was literally on the edge of my seat at *5-3 in the second set but even when he Novak raised his game and broke back I can honestly say that I still expected Murray to take the tie-break [ :angel: ] - he seems to have grown so much mentally as well as physically, there is no air of inevitability that he will collapse like that you feel with some of his rivals [*cough* Gasquet *cough*], and it is this that bodes well for the upcoming US Open and all future Slams.

Big win for the Scot.. :hatoff:

Clydey
08-03-2008, 10:44 PM
anyone who knocks murrays game obviously doesnt get it...

its a different mentality to attack someone when that person is openly asking you to attack them at times...

in saying that... i used to hate facing murray types as a junior... players that just lollipop the ball where they want... then smack a clean winner seemingly for the hell of it every once in a blue moon... i guess u appreciate it more as you age..

refined taste this murray...
:lol:

Murray has shown what he can do. A bunch of posters are insulting the style of match he played today. What about his match against Nole last week when he was much more aggressive? The good thing about Murray is that he can play in many different ways. He plays to suit the style of his opponent. Why go for winner after winner when simply hitting deep and changing the pace is getting the job done against Djokovic?

I guess some people prefer ball bashers and grinders.

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 10:47 PM
Vamos Andy, get a fucking shave :devil:

:lol:, seconded. I usually like it when a guy looks a bit scruffy, but in Andy's case it's a definite no-no. :tape:

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 10:48 PM
I guess some people prefer ball bashers and grinders.

wta players can bash the ball harder than mandy , and if he's not a grinder then i dont know who is. :rolleyes:

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 10:51 PM
The good thing about Murray is that he can play in many different ways.

...and can win in many different ways...!

i like when he gets in those moods when he just does anything he wants and does it well.. but, only for breif moments did he show it today - like that dimissive backhand cross court winner he thumped after that rally late in the 2nd set... just like: 'ok... f*** off... point over...'

Clydey
08-03-2008, 10:52 PM
wta players can bash the ball harder than mandy , and if he's not a grinder then i dont know who is. :rolleyes:

Yeah, he was sure rolling those balls in against Nadal and Djokovic last week.

Sad.

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 10:54 PM
:lol:, seconded. I usually like it when a guy looks a bit scruffy, but in Andy's case it's a definite no-no. :tape:

its plain to see dearest... he's going for the Borg Tournament look where you dont shave until u dominate the tournament... the whisper is that he appealing to the 16-21 female market with this ruff n ready look...

his management should wait till he reaches puberty tho... still gotta connect-the-dots on a few of those bum-fluff patches...

adee-gee
08-03-2008, 10:54 PM
Vamos, Murray comes into form and the old "mug pusher" accusations come out once more.

Makes successes like this even sweeter.

star
08-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Murray totally deserved the win. :bigclap:

To me that was a complete mental and physical battle out there, and Murray won on both counts.

:bigclap: Djokovic for hanging in and fighting until the bitter end.

Martin
08-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Fantastic win for Andy :worship: He's had a lot of knocks so far in his career but this was one way to silence a lot of people.

Djokovic didn't play as well as he did yesterday but Andy coped very well in managing to close the match out, having failed at 5-3. He's definitely the fourth best player in the world now and if he can make it to number four, then his draws to the later stages of tournaments should give him a lot more chances to make it to the big finals.

I think the win over Gasquet at Wimbledon could turn out to be the turning point of his career because it's done so much for his confidence.

Clydey
08-03-2008, 10:57 PM
Vamos, Murray comes into form and the old "mug pusher" accusations come out once more.

Makes successes like this even sweeter.

It's strange. Everyone was praising him yesterday for how he has played this week. Now that he beats the best hard court player in the world back to back, he's getting slagged off again. MTF logic is astounding :worship:

Admittedly, neither players played their best, but why should Andy go for winner after winner when Nole is making errors because of good depth and changes of pace? People seem to forget that tennis is about winning. You play in a manner that wins you the match. Going on all out attack wasn't the right play for Murray today.

scoobs
08-03-2008, 10:59 PM
It's strange. Everyone was praising him yesterday for how he has played this week. Now that he beats the best hard court player in the world back to back, he's getting slagged off again. MTF logic is astounding :worship:

Admittedly, neither players played their best, but why should Andy go for winner after winner when Nole is making errors because of good depth and changes of pace? People seem to forget that tennis is about winning. You play in a manner that wins you the match. Going on all out attack wasn't the right play for Murray today.
You're right but you're wasting your time :)

sawan66278
08-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Very impressive win by Murray. Amazingly, he was BY FAR the fitter player out there. And his variety of shots: spin, slice, flat groundstrokes....kick serves, flat aces, and superlative net play...Novak was at a loss.

Believe me: Andy, if he stays healthy, will be right up there in contention for the #1 spot...and multiple slams. He's got more variety than Rafa and Novak...and it will be VERY interesting in the future...

And Novak: pathetic display...to be that fatigued after the first set...after the little tennis he's played over the last few months. And, you could tell...he wanted to simply end the points as fast as possible: blasting winners and insane, bailout drop shots. Painful loss that pretty much neutralizes the win over Rafa...

And now: not much time till Beijing...you could tell Novak DID NOT want a third set...

That is what separates him from Rafa and Roger---they will try their hardest...and NOT look for the bailout shots...as the #3 player in the world (who wants to be #1), you have to fight for Masters Series titles...not hunch over like an 80-year old man, trying to "get out of Dodge" and for the most part, give up.

Damn
08-03-2008, 11:02 PM
Congrats to Andy Murray and his fans, he should have won 7-6 6-3 with ease, but anyway, he is the winner.

Won't Djokovic never stop with his gamesmanship? In the first set he has started with his usual attitude: shouts, provocative looks, racket throwing and claims to the heaven asking for help to his poor little spirit. But then in the second he has become the poor victim of his own destiny, sad looks, no shouts, no complains, nothing in general. He wasn't going to say a shit even if he had won the set, had saved 20 MPs or whatever, he was too sad for that, typical victim style. Pathetic again.

Djokovic, how many UE's? How can somebody play so well and the next day play like that? :scratch:

Simple. For Djokovic is more important to win Nadal than winning the tournament, and we have seen it today. Winning Nadal after a 32-streak in the fastest HC of the world and the worst to Nadal is the most impressive thing I've never seen. Word.

It's been a good week overall, especially the win over Nadal

The win over Nadal was is objective, far more important than the tournament. It shows how high are his objectives. He hadn't started a match like he did against Nadal in his whole career, and won't do it again unless he confronts Nadal. Remark my words here.

so now gasquet is the only youngster (nadal, djokovic, murray,bagdatis, berdych..) who didnt have a TMS or a GS final ... great...

Nadal is a youngster, he's 22, right, but he is also one of the greatest talents that this sport has never had, and with his age and 5 GS Titles, 12 AMS titles, 30 ATP titles and all the records that he has, I apologize you for this but he's not in the same group that all those other players.

Murray? Tennis Maestro? :lol:

And Djokovic? Is Djokovic a Tennis Maestro? There are only 2 Tennis Maestros, and all I can say is that Djokovic is not one of them.

PS: Federer in decline is far more Tennis Maestro than Djokovic.

Clydey
08-03-2008, 11:03 PM
You're right but you're wasting your time :)

I know. I can't help myself. I'm far too argumenative for my own good.

Corey Feldman
08-03-2008, 11:03 PM
Vamos Andy, get a fucking shave :devil:No dont shave!
he's on a winning streak

Borg, Kafelnikov rituals here :devil:

its not about the look, its about the luck!!

Djokovic for hanging in and fighting until the bitter end.*nods*
he did try and fight all the way to hang on but the superior talent told in the end :angel:

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 11:04 PM
Admittedly, neither players played their best, but why should Andy go for winner after winner when Nole is making errors because of good depth and changes of pace? People seem to forget that tennis is about winning. You play in a manner that wins you the match. Going on all out attack wasn't the right play for Murray today.

he shouldnt. he didnt. he just grinded it out. djokovic hit UE after UE , and DF after DF. still murray is one of those players that can beat a handicapped djokovic, so credit to him.

jitterbug
08-03-2008, 11:04 PM
nole and andy murray talking about etienne behind his back giggling :spit: and also looking like : would you just shut up already? :spit:

I'd love to see this :lol:

MacTheKnife
08-03-2008, 11:05 PM
:lol:, seconded. I usually like it when a guy looks a bit scruffy, but in Andy's case it's a definite no-no. :tape:

But at least he knows which direction to wear his cap. Great win. Very impressive. A little shaky at 5-4, but he held together in the TB. I know Murray fans are ecstatic and rightfully so. Congrats

scoobs
08-03-2008, 11:06 PM
Very impressive win by Murray. Amazingly, he was BY FAR the fitter player out there. And his variety of shots: spin, slice, flat groundstrokes....kick serves, flat aces, and superlative net play...Novak was at a loss.

Believe me: Andy, if he stays healthy, will be right up there in contention for the #1 spot...and multiple slams. He's got more variety than Rafa and Novak...and it will be VERY interesting in the future...

And Novak: pathetic display...to be that fatigued after the first set...after the little tennis he's played over the last few months. And, you could tell...he wanted to simply end the points as fast as possible: blasting winners and insane, bailout drop shots. Painful loss that pretty much neutralizes the win over Rafa...

And now: not much time till Beijing...you could tell Novak DID NOT want a third set...

That is what separates him from Rafa and Roger---they will try their hardest...and NOT look for the bailout shots...as the #3 player in the world (who wants to be #1), you have to fight for Masters Series titles...not hunch over like an 80-year old man, trying to "get out of Dodge" and for the most part, give up.
I think that's a tad harsh on Novak in some ways - no doubt the match against Nadal was emotionally draining for him to come through and he seemed a bit emotionally flat today - I expected him to get much more irritated with himself than he actually did.

Both looked tired after 2 hours + in 100+ heat but yeah Novak looked the more tired and I only really relaxed in the second set tiebreak when it became fairly clear, Novak didn't look like he could go a third set even if he wanted to. For him that's perhaps a concern.

dylan24
08-03-2008, 11:08 PM
like i said enjoy your one slam novak.
you won't get anymore.

its all nadal and murray from now on

schorsch
08-03-2008, 11:12 PM
The thing is the people who bash Andy here are morons, because although he has lost a lot in the past against Nole, now it's visible that he is a bad match-up for Nole.

Andy has so many things Novak hates : Good serve, but most importantly Good kicker SECOND serve... Nole never returns those well. / doesnt offer a lot of pace -> Nole likes to feed off pace / drags people out wide with angles especially to the forehand side of nole out wide / but if he has to he can up the pace / returns well / can mix things up / slices, also a thing Nole hates, but has gotten better at recently / moves well and can stay in a rally / plus finesse... / smart play, too

Its just hard for Nole to win against those kind of people without being on top of his game. Especially now since Muzza is mentally and physically stronger and more positive on the court.

Obviously the heat, something that Nole is not good at playing in and his serve let him down, too. But well.

On to the Olympics, go Nole !

Sallydaisy
08-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Andy - well done. :bigclap:

It's taken a bit longer than expected (the wrist injury last year didn't help you) but you were always headed to win a Masters Title.
Having to mentally cope with losing 4mp's before taking it in the tie-break just shows your strength of character.

The last few weeks have been excellent taking out Gasquet at Wimbledon and Nole 2 weeks in succession.

There's a new order headed for the top 5 - Rafa deserves his No 1 spot for his sheer hard work and talent - but there's a group bubbling under that are all capable of challenging for the top honours over the next couple of years.

rafa the best
08-03-2008, 11:27 PM
CONGRATS TO ANDY, HE DESERVED THIS SO MUCH


Djokovic was so pathetic looking for an excuse in his match with Rafa. Beating a tired man in 1h 23 minutes can't make Novak tired.

Now he's got his 4 match winning streak.

RogerFan82
08-03-2008, 11:29 PM
Congrats Murray !!! Good fighting win !!!!

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 11:31 PM
is murray the new William Wallace...?

blank_frackis
08-03-2008, 11:33 PM
It's strange. Everyone was praising him yesterday for how he has played this week. Now that he beats the best hard court player in the world back to back, he's getting slagged off again. MTF logic is astounding :worship:

It's to be expected. People are generally only interested in making a post on an internet forum which makes them stand out from the crowd, so whenever a player is playing exceptionally well (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, now Murray) you get a load of people crawling out of the woodwork to say something provocative. The more a player does well, the more people (or should I say boring people who have nothing to say for themselves) want to criticise them. It wouldn't matter if Nadal (or whoever) won a grand slam without losing a game, you'd still have some clown saying he sucks for no other reason than that they want some attention.

Manon
08-03-2008, 11:37 PM
Very impressive win by Murray. Amazingly, he was BY FAR the fitter player out there. And his variety of shots: spin, slice, flat groundstrokes....kick serves, flat aces, and superlative net play...Novak was at a loss.

Believe me: Andy, if he stays healthy, will be right up there in contention for the #1 spot...and multiple slams. He's got more variety than Rafa and Novak...and it will be VERY interesting in the future...

And Novak: pathetic display...to be that fatigued after the first set...after the little tennis he's played over the last few months. And, you could tell...he wanted to simply end the points as fast as possible: blasting winners and insane, bailout drop shots. Painful loss that pretty much neutralizes the win over Rafa...

And now: not much time till Beijing...you could tell Novak DID NOT want a third set...

That is what separates him from Rafa and Roger---they will try their hardest...and NOT look for the bailout shots...as the #3 player in the world (who wants to be #1), you have to fight for Masters Series titles...not hunch over like an 80-year old man, trying to "get out of Dodge" and for the most part, give up.

God, can you be more pathetic. Maybe you mean they can hear you, that's it.

RafaTheBest
08-03-2008, 11:40 PM
Seems like Nole used all his energy up on Rafa.

Pepi.
08-03-2008, 11:43 PM
:(

thegreendestiny
08-03-2008, 11:50 PM
is murray the new William Wallace...?

Oh you bet his Scot ass he is!!!

Congrats Murray! :bounce:

Getta
08-03-2008, 11:57 PM
Novak was the worst I can imagine. Aside that Murray tennis is the most digusting tenis I've ever seen. Guy was 5-6 winners and this the good game? Bolelli, came back, all forgiven. Defensive, defensive...this is not tennis. But he took his chance. At least I am sure he can't play better.

Well Mr Murray, congratulations but I wish Gasqet always took your measure. This poor game had success with Federer, now with the very worst Novak.

On February 3, 2008 you voted Andy Murray as your 2nd most favourite player (just after Djokovic):
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6531482&postcount=14

On June 2, 2008 you changed your mind. New list then with Andy Murray as your 3rd most favourite player:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7136160&postcount=251

On July 28, 2008 you changed yor mind again. Third list in a row with Andy Murray as your 10th most favourite player this time. Six days ago, for goodness sake:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411795&postcount=275


So, when are you going to surprise us with your fourth list? You can always substitute Murray for Gasquet, who by the way is in your list with most disliked active players:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411863&postcount=278

Well, needless to say you have also changed that list three or four times. :haha:

Serious issues there?

fast_clay
08-03-2008, 11:59 PM
It's to be expected. People are generally only interested in making a post on an internet forum which makes them stand out from the crowd, so whenever a player is playing exceptionally well (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, now Murray) you get a load of people crawling out of the woodwork to say something provocative. The more a player does well, the more people (or should I say boring people who have nothing to say for themselves) want to criticise them. It wouldn't matter if Nadal (or whoever) won a grand slam without losing a game, you'd still have some clown saying he sucks for no other reason than that they want some attention.

yes there are several equations out there that explain this phenomena:

MLF (mtf love factor) = (recent success x current hate factor) x (sentimentality + media representation)

All variables can be calculated from a score from 1-10 with a score of 5 the average. Here is how things stand currently for todays finalists.

note: hate factor is taken on a 52 week rolling ranking schema

A.Murray MLF = (8 x 6) x (6 + 2)
A.Murray MLF = 384

a good score considering the media paint murray out to be a whinging sh!t... which he is and scores only a 2 here... the current success may get the british hype into overdrive and may drive this rating up in coming days... but will definitely hit new lows the next time he loses...

heres how Novak stacks up...

N.Gotsmokedyabitch MLF = (7 x 2) x (3 + 5)
N.Gotsmokedyabitch MLF = 112

this would show there is a lot more hate out there for novak... which is justified considering the way in which he has conducted himself on his rise to the top... the key difference being the hate factor... which is way below andy's score of 6...

we can expect this score of 384 for murrays to drop below 200 seeing that he now has a masters sheild under his belt, while also beating a heavily bandwagoned player two weeks running... thus, his hate factor will get lower...

if Novak wins the US open... his MLF rating will most likely join federer and nadal as the only current players to have sub hundred scores due to a mega-high current hate factor of 1...

MaryX
08-04-2008, 12:01 AM
love it as all djokotards were blooming here yesterday and now they re back where they came from
pathetic.

Murray played fantastic both last times against Novak.I'm glad for him :yeah: .Novak didn't play well, partly because of Murray, and partly because of yesterday's match.So, can I say: this win doesn't count, Novak was tired :D ?Just kidding.Novak will be fine, victory over Rafa was more important at the moment.But, Murray became very tough opponent.

Snoo Foo
08-04-2008, 12:03 AM
For some reason I found both boys' speeches very endearing, maybe cuz they both sounded so natural.

nole and andy murray talking about etienne behind his back giggling :spit: and also looking like : would you just shut up already? :spit:

I'd love to see this :lol:

This really needs a caption contest.

cmurray
08-04-2008, 12:07 AM
On February 3, 2008 you voted Andy Murray as your 2nd most favourite player (just after Djokovic):
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6531482&postcount=14

On June 2, 2008 you changed your mind. New list then with Andy Murray as your 3rd most favourite player:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7136160&postcount=251

On July 28, 2008 you changed yor mind again. Third list in a row with Andy Murray as your 10th most favourite player this time. Six days ago, for goodness sake:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411795&postcount=275


So, when are you going to surprise us with your fourth list? You can always substitute Murray for Gasquet, who by the way is in your list with most disliked active players:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411863&postcount=278

Well, needless to say you have also changed that list three or four times. :haha:

Serious issues there?

:rolls: As I recall, he used to be a Nadal fan too back in the day. :D

jitterbug
08-04-2008, 12:08 AM
This really needs a caption contest.

:spit: :worship:

~Maya~
08-04-2008, 12:08 AM
On February 3, 2008 you voted Andy Murray as your 2nd most favourite player (just after Djokovic):
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6531482&postcount=14

On June 2, 2008 you changed your mind. New list then with Andy Murray as your 3rd most favourite player:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7136160&postcount=251

On July 28, 2008 you changed yor mind again. Third list in a row with Andy Murray as your 10th most favourite player this time. Six days ago, for goodness sake:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411795&postcount=275


So, when are you going to surprise us with your fourth list? You can always substitute Murray for Gasquet, who by the way is in your list with most disliked active players:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411863&postcount=278

Well, needless to say you have also changed that list three or four times. :haha:

Serious issues there?

I wish I had time to do this kind of serious homework here on MTF

fast_clay
08-04-2008, 12:14 AM
This really needs a caption contest.

for sure...

Novak: 'listen... its ok that i lose today man, cos like, i get to play again next week... but, that dude over there... well... he's out of a job...'

Getta
08-04-2008, 12:16 AM
I wish I had time to do this kind of serious homework here on MTF

Isn't as cruel as it seems. I'm fast, you know.

Sunset of Age
08-04-2008, 12:19 AM
for sure...

Novak: 'listen... its ok that i lose today man, cos like, i get to play again next week... but, that dude over there... well... he's out of a job...'

:yeah:

I loved both of the guys' speeches as well. Not to forget, their sportsmenship! Good to see. Lovely hug at the net. :worship:

leng jai
08-04-2008, 12:28 AM
Good one Karin, Fakervic and sportsmenship are oxymorons.

This thread is quality gold and its obvious the match was of poor quality. Clydey's incessant need to defend Murray is :haha:

Always a good day when Fakervic loses.

superhoops
08-04-2008, 12:38 AM
Never in doubt :P

clandis
08-04-2008, 12:43 AM
Very impressive win by Murray. Amazingly, he was BY FAR the fitter player out there. And his variety of shots: spin, slice, flat groundstrokes....kick serves, flat aces, and superlative net play...Novak was at a loss.

Believe me: Andy, if he stays healthy, will be right up there in contention for the #1 spot...and multiple slams. He's got more variety than Rafa and Novak...and it will be VERY interesting in the future...

And Novak: pathetic display...to be that fatigued after the first set...after the little tennis he's played over the last few months. And, you could tell...he wanted to simply end the points as fast as possible: blasting winners and insane, bailout drop shots. Painful loss that pretty much neutralizes the win over Rafa...

And now: not much time till Beijing...you could tell Novak DID NOT want a third set...

That is what separates him from Rafa and Roger---they will try their hardest...and NOT look for the bailout shots...as the #3 player in the world (who wants to be #1), you have to fight for Masters Series titles...not hunch over like an 80-year old man, trying to "get out of Dodge" and for the most part, give up.

It was really hot today. Very humid and not much of a breeze to cool you off. I rooted for Murray after the first set because I wanted to get out of the sun. Djokovic seemed more affected by the heat, which will hurt him at the US Open. Murray mentioned that both he and Novak had planes to catch in about 1 1/2 hours. I don't want to say this was a factor, but it's possible.

Neely
08-04-2008, 12:43 AM
Murray is fun to watch! Congrats to Murray and his fans. :yeah: I didn't see one match of him this week, but result-wise it was a great run for him and I'm sure his playing quality was more than watchable as well.

tennisfan444
08-04-2008, 12:46 AM
go sexy!

Manon
08-04-2008, 12:49 AM
On February 3, 2008 you voted Andy Murray as your 2nd most favourite player (just after Djokovic):
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6531482&postcount=14

On June 2, 2008 you changed your mind. New list then with Andy Murray as your 3rd most favourite player:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7136160&postcount=251

On July 28, 2008 you changed yor mind again. Third list in a row with Andy Murray as your 10th most favourite player this time. Six days ago, for goodness sake:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411795&postcount=275


So, when are you going to surprise us with your fourth list? You can always substitute Murray for Gasquet, who by the way is in your list with most disliked active players:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7411863&postcount=278

Well, needless to say you have also changed that list three or four times. :haha:

Serious issues there?

:worship: God, in wildest dreams I can't imagine that somebody follow my work so schoolish. Well, this is me, one old man who changes his opinions every week. Thank you, I am really flattered. You love me! That's nice.

:rolls: As I recall, he used to be a Nadal fan too back in the day. :D

True, not fan but more than Federer. But dear Cheryl why, for god sake, you invited me to be your friend on facebook. Don't laugh to dear friend.

Nalbandian!!!
08-04-2008, 12:50 AM
Djokovich is nothing :devil:

Good job andy !

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 12:52 AM
:hug: Manon

i dont mind what you say, you're still the No.1 Serb of the world to me.

Manon
08-04-2008, 01:00 AM
:hug: Manon

i dont mind what you say, you're still the No.1 Serb of the world to me.

I don't like win *by any player* with 5-6 winners, I don't like defensive players like Murray was today (and with Federer a few months ago).

Time to kill me.

hablovah19
08-04-2008, 01:01 AM
:rolls:

Clydey
08-04-2008, 01:02 AM
Good one Karin, Fakervic and sportsmenship are oxymorons.

This thread is quality gold and its obvious the match was of poor quality. Clydey's incessant need to defend Murray is :haha:

Always a good day when Fakervic loses.

Unfortunately, my loyalty to Murray can't match your man crush on Tommy Haas.

AndyUK
08-04-2008, 01:06 AM
Well done Murray, great performance. It's nice to see someone British win something for once!

Lee
08-04-2008, 01:10 AM
Congratulate Murray on his first shield and I believe there'll be more coming. Djokovic was way off today but kudo to Andy keeping his head. Even after wasting 4 championship points serving at 5-3.

Although there are many UEs in this match but I think it's a good quality match. Both can play well defensively so you have to go for your shots, thus, UEs.

~Maya~
08-04-2008, 01:10 AM
:hug: Manon

i dont mind what you say, you're still the No.1 Serb of the world to me.

I don't know why:confused: but I find this so funny

leng jai
08-04-2008, 01:12 AM
Unfortunately, my loyalty to Murray can't match your man crush on Tommy Haas.

Obviously, my mancrush on Haas is on a whole different level ;)

Clydey
08-04-2008, 01:14 AM
Obviously, my mancrush on Haas is on a whole different level ;)

Gotta respect that.

Albatros99
08-04-2008, 01:18 AM
Congratulations Murray, you are now the second best player in the world.

smileitsmyan
08-04-2008, 01:19 AM
good game Murray. He still annoys the shit out of me but whatevs. his form will go. mark my words.

Voo de Mar
08-04-2008, 01:26 AM
Djokovich is nothing :devil:



:haha: :haha:

sawan66278
08-04-2008, 01:35 AM
I think that's a tad harsh on Novak in some ways - no doubt the match against Nadal was emotionally draining for him to come through and he seemed a bit emotionally flat today - I expected him to get much more irritated with himself than he actually did.

Both looked tired after 2 hours + in 100+ heat but yeah Novak looked the more tired and I only really relaxed in the second set tiebreak when it became fairly clear, Novak didn't look like he could go a third set even if he wanted to. For him that's perhaps a concern.

Harsh, but true.

I know it was hot...but Andy, not the paragon of fitness by any stretch of the imagination, was MUCH less affected. And, if you take into consideration the mental and physical pressure that comes with playing a Masters final for the first time, Novak should have been the one with the most energy.

ESPECIALLY after losing in the second round of Wimbledon, and NOT defending the title in Canada. For a "future #1": a definite weakness that I don't see being remedied in the near future.

Has Novak EVER won back to back titles? He should have taken it to Murray...but, Murray took it to him...and if they meet at the Open...I pick Andy.

zethand
08-04-2008, 01:41 AM
well... that was not the final I expected to see. And even Murray is pretty disgusting too (you know that bitter faces aghh).. I am pleasant about the result. We need to see different players reaching important finals.

bad gambler
08-04-2008, 02:04 AM
Very poor body language from Djokovic throughout the match, head down when things were not going his way. You knew then that Murray had this match.

Congrats Muzza, challenge now for him is to translate his last 2 weeks' performances into to the slams where he has achieved very little.

Manon
08-04-2008, 02:06 AM
I don't know why:confused: but I find this so funny

Why? He's my friend. Simple as that.

Mimi
08-04-2008, 02:09 AM
oh can't see it coming, after seeinig the powerful novak grilled the poor piggy :p

Sunset of Age
08-04-2008, 02:11 AM
:hug: Manon

i dont mind what you say, you're still the No.1 Serb of the world to me.

Fully seconded. And remember, Misha, it's a no-no to some posters over here to change your mind in the course of time, even if you have good reasons to do so.

:hug:

selyoink
08-04-2008, 02:56 AM
What an awful match by both players. Every point Murray won came off of an awful Djokovic error. All Murray did was push and let Djokovic self-destruct. It was the best strategy but made for an absolutely awful tennis match. At least the choke attempt made it somewhat compelling.

HNCS
08-04-2008, 03:08 AM
no fan of muzza, but definitely congratulations to his first AMS. :yeah:though probably the last, since next year we're stuck with "1000"s....:rolleyes:

littleash
08-04-2008, 03:09 AM
murray :woohoo:

horseface :haha:

Kitty de Sade
08-04-2008, 03:17 AM
Seemed like it was just blazing hot on court today.

Congratulations to Andy on winning his first MS shield. :yeah:

gillian
08-04-2008, 03:53 AM
:bigclap:

Congrats, Murray. Job well done!

ChinoRios4Ever
08-04-2008, 03:53 AM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

:woohoo:

10nisfan
08-04-2008, 04:06 AM
I think BOTH of THEM played evenly in this Match... Each Made some Good Plays and some Bad Plays...

Murray couldn't close the Match at 5-3 and Djoker's level is subpar....

Congrats to Murray for This Big Win!...:clap2:

But I got it right in the Poll when I voted for Murray in 2 sets just coz only a few PPL voted for that option... :lol:

Turquoise
08-04-2008, 04:37 AM
Congratulations Murray on winning first AMS title. :worship: Hopefully the first of many more to come. I'm so proud of him, he's been playing great tennis all week, with more controlled aggression and less passivity. Great job!

fast_clay
08-04-2008, 05:37 AM
Andy 'the muscle' Murray... too big, too strong, too ugly...

jazar
08-04-2008, 06:42 AM
another sad day for tennis.

nole hurt his neck cos murray was hacking it soo high

Duncan
08-04-2008, 07:01 AM
What a great point at 4-4 in the 2nd set tie break.

So pleased for Andy, beaten Nole twice in a row now.

Djokovic looked tired in 2nd set

Aenea
08-04-2008, 07:15 AM
Congrats Andy on that significant win and for your first big title. I hope you won't be referred anymore like a MM-tourney winner only.

Good match and good play from Andy. I'm glad I got the outcome right :)

nisha
08-04-2008, 07:39 AM
Just as i predicted it.
Suprised many didnt think Andy would win it in 2 sets

Congrats to Andy.

nadal800
08-04-2008, 07:44 AM
Great job Murray saw the match today and knew I had to support Murray

nadal800
08-04-2008, 07:44 AM
I've been watching tennis for a long time and really like Murray, Nole, Rafa, and Fed

Benny_Maths
08-04-2008, 08:10 AM
I stand corrected. Good work Murray.

Bazooka
08-04-2008, 08:57 AM
Well, I guess I have to take back all I have said about Murray in the last years, he really has it. Congrats!

Perfection
08-04-2008, 09:04 AM
Novak sucked. :rolleyes:

TJ20
08-04-2008, 09:39 AM
mtf is unbelieveably cynical, that its pathetic.

So well done Murray. The true number 4. All teenage top 10's have gone on to win a grand slam at age 22 years or below (apart from Ivanisevic who won wimby age 29). Murray could be on course for that.

FairWeatherFan
08-04-2008, 09:51 AM
So well done Murray. The true number 4. All teenage top 10's have gone on to win a grand slam at age 22 years or below (apart from Ivanisevic who won wimby age 29). Murray could be on course for that.

You have forgotten Medvedev who was top 10 as a teenager and never won a slam.

It is incredible that Murray has so much success with his low first-serve %s. If only he could get that first serve in he would be lethal.

Julio
08-04-2008, 10:04 AM
54 uefs by Nole in this match. What a poor performance. In night session, i think it would have been different.
But congrats Muzza !!!

Laba
08-04-2008, 10:19 AM
Congrats Andy, you deserved this Masters Title after seeing your form over the last four weeks. As far as Novak goes, I kind of expected him to drop his level after the win against Rafa.

That point at 4-4 in the second tiebreaker was pretty sweet.

MILOS
08-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Very confusing match.
Andy played constantly good,and Djokaj obviously had no will to win.

When he saved those 4 match points at 5-3 and won that game Novak thought:"Oh God no! I'm still on the court." :(

Sebby
08-04-2008, 11:37 AM
Impressive win from Murray...

2 straight sets victories in a row against Djokovic on hard, very few had/will accomplish that feat !

In my mind, since yesterday, he definitely became a "big gun" and a player to take very seriously.

Tennisman82
08-04-2008, 12:27 PM
It was a good match! I'm surprised Murray won.

He's a hell of a counterpuncher!

He’s had an excellent couple of months. He reached the second week for the first time in a slam (Wimbledon) & now he’s won his first TMS title. And on the way beaten the best HC player on the tour twice in two weeks without losing a set.

Murray’s extremely talented and we’re finally starting to see some serious results out of this guy. I look forward to seeing him make an impression at the USO, though I wouldn’t say he’s one of the favorites there yet.

Tennisman82.

rocketassist
08-04-2008, 12:36 PM
:lol: at this thread.

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 03:38 PM
GOD BLESS
ANDY MURRAY

1 DAY ANNIVERSARY

Veronique
08-04-2008, 03:42 PM
Well done, Andy. I was very pleased to see that he didn't get negative at all, even after squandering 4 championship points while serving for it. It takes talent to be that consistent off the ground and to change pace at will, confusing the opponent. It's good to see that Andy has now added mental and physical strength to his arsenal. The ATP just got more interesting with Federer decline and the rise of 3 very talented young men.

jcempire
08-04-2008, 03:52 PM
Murray got first ATP master that's the biggest surprise in cinly

aurora2006
08-04-2008, 04:03 PM
Good job Andy!!:cool:
I was bit scared after the choke in the second set but
at the end,you still managed to win! :worship:
Congrats kido!!!:yippee:

Raquel
08-04-2008, 05:17 PM
Well done Andy!! :bounce: :bounce:

An awesome week for him :D So good to see him playing really well in big events. He did so well to remain calm and finish it in two :yeah:

Corey Feldman
08-04-2008, 05:23 PM
:yeah: Raquel

Clydey
08-04-2008, 05:29 PM
Novak Djokovic

CINCINNATI, OHIO

A. MURRAY/N. Djokovic
7-6, 7-6

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. At 2-2 in the second set, did you ask your coach what time it was?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No.

Q. What did you ask, if you don't mind?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Can't tell you.

Q. Was fatigue a factor out there today?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: A little bit, yeah. I finished late last night, so could make it a factor.

Q. You twisted your ankle in the second set. How much did that affect you?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I was thinking a little bit about it, but it wasn't that bad. It was more the heat and started from that.

Q. Obviously you were really good yesterday. Did you feel a little bit more off today, not quite as good?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, yes. It's different when you play against an opponent who plays a similar game with you. You know, he was making me do a lot unforced errors. It's a fast court, but Nadal plays high balls which are suitable to my forehand.
But he was playing a lot of slice and changing pace to my forehand. I just lost the rhythm.

Q. How did you think you returned today?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, overall, I wasn't really happy with the way I played today. I could have played better. I had some chances.