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Cincy SF: Djokovic roasts Nadal 6-1 7-5 to end Rafa's 32 win streak

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LinkMage
08-03-2008, 12:39 AM
Amazing performance by Novak, especially in the 1st set. :worship:

TMJordan
08-03-2008, 12:40 AM
Unbelievible tennis from Novak :worship:

Way to go :yeah:

Now kill Murray in the finals :D

richie21
08-03-2008, 12:40 AM
Too good from the Djoker.
So much for Nadal being an improved player on HC.

camnation
08-03-2008, 12:40 AM
:drool::drool::drool:

shotgun
08-03-2008, 12:40 AM
First set was what I would call a donkey-punch. How good is this Djokovic? Unreal. :worship:

What a great way to start Nadal's reign as #1. :haha:

Kworb
08-03-2008, 12:40 AM
Nadal played like he had a hangover

CyBorg
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
So much for Nadal being an improved player on HC.

???

guga2120
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
As expected, Novak was too good. The #1 was too tired.

Johnny Groove
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Finally the Rafa haters have something to cheer about :lol:

GuiroNl
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Once a hard court mug, always a hard court mug.

freeandlonely
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Yes. fucking great

zicofirol
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
just saw the final 4 games but what domination from djokovic..

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
expected roast :D

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Amazing performance from Djokovic. Nadal was totally outclassed in every single aspect.

JustJames
08-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Wow, big tennis from Djoko - Showing that he is still the Hard-Court-King. :yeah:

xelena
08-03-2008, 12:42 AM
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Tooooooo DJOKOVICCCC :)))))))))
:)))))

brilliant trashing of the almost /ready to be/waiting 4ys to be/ unfortunate future No1 Nadal :)))))

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 12:42 AM
just saw the final 4 games but what domination from djokovic..
You obviously didn't watch the first set. Djokovic won 10 of the first 12 points, he was absolutely annihilating Piggy.

NinaNina19
08-03-2008, 12:42 AM
Too good Novak.

rhinooooo
08-03-2008, 12:42 AM
Wow. Some awesome hitting. Would like to see a 5 setter between these two at the US Open. Have to credit Novak for being so aggressive.

Rafa can be happy with his run and deservedly making number 1. It's better he lost for the sake of the next few weeks. Makes it more interesting.

CyBorg
08-03-2008, 12:42 AM
Rafa had too much of the tequila last night, celebrating his new #1 status.

Bernard Black
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
The Nadal bandwagon crashes and Djokovic's gets a kickstart.

Looking forward to the final now, hope Murray can make his breakthrough.

HeretiC
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
Good match, extremly well from Novak in opening set, he lost his confidence a bit in the second but still managed to hold it together and get it back.

Pfloyd
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
:haha:

Not number 1 yet. :devil:

WOW. Djokovic is now 4-9 vs. Nadal just 5 more wins to tie the h2h, in the bag.

:retard:

LinkMage
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
Real tennis beats moonballing.

Vamos!

Acer
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
Best way to start your reign as the new number one, a defeat. Vamos :)

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 12:44 AM
novak just didnt give nadal any chances , dont start with the 'tankjob' bs ;)

ChinoRios4Ever
08-03-2008, 12:44 AM
Never in doubt.

green25814
08-03-2008, 12:44 AM
first set was impressive, second one was close though. If nadal had come through that i think he'd have won. Congrats djoker.

Fee
08-03-2008, 12:44 AM
Hopefully Nole can complete the North American Masters Sweep tomorrow, but I might not mind if Murray wins his first shield either.

Corey Feldman
08-03-2008, 12:45 AM
everyone have fun tonight, everyone wang chung tonight

Time Violation
08-03-2008, 12:45 AM
Expected.™ Never in doubt.™ :p

green25814
08-03-2008, 12:45 AM
Real tennis beats moonballing.

Vamos!

You mean ballbashing beats moonballing. :p

Pretty hard and accurate ballbashing though, must be said :D

Rafalover15
08-03-2008, 12:45 AM
Great match by Nole great match

Murray to win

Suck on it Nole it's not a slam :ras:

But really great aggresive game loved it

njnetswill
08-03-2008, 12:46 AM
:woohoo:

Djokovic back in the mix, and Roger loses #1 to Nadal.

Best week ever.

Voo de Mar
08-03-2008, 12:46 AM
Great play by D'Joke. Of course his 2nd round match against Bolelli was a joke :)

Bernard Black
08-03-2008, 12:46 AM
Best way to start your reign as the new number one, a defeat. Vamos :)

:worship:

*Ljubica*
08-03-2008, 12:46 AM
:woohoo: Breaking my self-imposed GM ban to say - NOLE - I am so happy and proud of you :woohoo:

nashty
08-03-2008, 12:47 AM
Great. The grand slam winner ended the streak. How nice.:rolleyes:


Oh well, Murray will take care of him. I hope so.

HoistDaColors
08-03-2008, 12:47 AM
they really bring out the best in each other. Djoko jumped off to a 5-0 lead :worship:.
I hope Xisca smiles a bit more if they are going to keep showing her. too sad looking most of the match.

schorsch
08-03-2008, 12:47 AM
Amazing performance from Djokovic. Nadal was totally outclassed in every single aspect.

except one : luck

I cant fuckin' believe how lucky Nadull was in almost all of his service games in the second set. Netcords here misshits there... Just crazy. And you go saying fortune favours the brave. The ones who play aggressive tennis and take the ball early and go for their shots most of the time. No, again Nadull had more luck than he could wish for. Nole got pretty frustated in the second set about that, so I was glad he focused enough to get the job done.

Well done Nole ;)

Knightmace
08-03-2008, 12:48 AM
Nice!

CassL
08-03-2008, 12:48 AM
Yay!!!!!!!! Nole! I shouldn't have doubted him.

dsingh7
08-03-2008, 12:48 AM
it was Nadal's determination and fighting spirit which was winning him matches last week ..even though with his slightely improved hard court game he is going to struggle awful lot in American hardcourt ...this was just the beginning ...welcome to number #1 club Rafa

Ackms421
08-03-2008, 12:48 AM
Djok is still better on hardcourts. But, a fresh Nadal in a best of 5 on a slightly slower surface is a receipe for a better match at Flushing Meadows in a few weeks...

lina_seta
08-03-2008, 12:48 AM
FUCK YESSSSSSSSSSS
havent been being allowed to be this happy about tennis results lol... i needed to see this thrashing of the new #1 =)

nole had an AMAZING start... demi-god-like start... then came back to normal level while nadal raised his game... hence the second being much tighter

Greatness
08-03-2008, 12:49 AM
I expected Novak to be on fire today and he was: amazing hitting throughout the match. :)

Jaap
08-03-2008, 12:49 AM
Expected straight sets victory for Djoko. :yeah:

habibko
08-03-2008, 12:49 AM
and Nadal lost his first match as world #1, that will give us an idea how dominant he is going to be :o

too good djokovic, it was a great match to watch :cool:

Smoke944
08-03-2008, 12:50 AM
Djokovic just the better hardcourt player.

richie21
08-03-2008, 12:50 AM
it was Nadal's determination and fighting spirit which was winning him matches last week ..even though with his slightely improved hard court game he is going to struggle awful lot in American hardcourt ...this was just the beginning ...welcome to number #1 club Rafa

Not to mention the slowness of Toronto's surface

Tomek.
08-03-2008, 12:51 AM
thanks GOD!!!

zqloy
08-03-2008, 12:52 AM
Not to mention the slowness of Toronto's surface
Here comes the bullshit again :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::haha:

krystlel
08-03-2008, 12:52 AM
Great stuff from Djokovic. He was on fire in the first set, and great match overall from him.

Second set was tightly contested and it seemed like Nadal had a slight edge but Djokovic played the big points well to continue to hold then played a great return game at 5-5 to give him the crucial break.

Herdwick
08-03-2008, 12:52 AM
Astounding from Nole - that first set was beyond superb. Back to his best and some today. The race is on.

Rafa sweetheart - you've been amazing since April and you're definitely number one right now though.

Merton
08-03-2008, 12:52 AM
Well done Djokovic, a great 1st set and mentally tough where it counted in the 2nd. Actually this defeat increases Nadal's chances at the US Open. But a lot depends on the Olympics and the draw.

choppaa
08-03-2008, 12:53 AM
they really bring out the best in each other. Djoko jumped off to a 5-0 lead :worship:.
I hope Xisca smiles a bit more if they are going to keep showing her. too sad looking most of the match.

She is really cute even when serious.

Congrats Novak and Rafa.

platinum
08-03-2008, 12:53 AM
Hmmmm. Will be interesting if now Nole can start a 32 match winning streak? What do you think? Can Nole win the next 32 matches in a row? Would be riveting....

~Maya~
08-03-2008, 12:53 AM
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::w oohoo:

Bravo Novace!!!!!!!!!!!!

shotgun
08-03-2008, 12:53 AM
I hope Xisca smiles a bit more if they are going to keep showing her. too sad looking most of the match.

She really didn't have much to smile about today. :lol:

guga2120
08-03-2008, 12:54 AM
Djokovic just the better hardcourt player.

Novak in the last 12 months has been the best hard court player in the world, without a doubt.

anon57
08-03-2008, 12:54 AM
Well played match by Djokovic

*Raine
08-03-2008, 12:54 AM
Yay Nole...

Exclusive
08-03-2008, 12:54 AM
As far as I dislike Djokovic, I'm glad to see him defeating Nadal. I've missed those winners on a really fast surface. His tennis is the tennis must to be played on hardcourt.

Anyway, I wish Murray to win tomorrow.

Guga_fan
08-03-2008, 12:55 AM
Djokovic played an amazing first set, and a good second set. But IMO he is not yet playing his best, especially when serving, I think his 1st service percentage in the first set was 45%, he needs to start serving like he used to. Nadal was playing a good game, but clearly not his best, playing like he did for almost two weeks on hardcourts wore him out.

q.j.
08-03-2008, 12:57 AM
bringing some variety at least at the end of a season
Us Open will be very interesting and if the evil clown keeps playing like today, it will rightfully be his.

Great win Nole :up:
and Piggy has such a hot hot girlfriend thoese photos do-not-do-her-justice !

nizelegz
08-03-2008, 12:58 AM
and Nadal lost his first match as world #1, that will give us an idea how dominant he is going to be :o

too good djokovic, it was a great match to watch :cool:

How did he lose as the world number 1, when it isn't official until the 18th???????????

xelena
08-03-2008, 12:58 AM
but let's be realistic. Even though I cheer for Nole I must say that , he he was cheating?? you know, the usual story..."he bounces the ball way too long".. "med timeout.." "fist pumping" .. All my love goes to Kita,fsojka,antonius... :)

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 12:58 AM
except one : luck

I cant fuckin' believe how lucky Nadull was in almost all of his service games in the second set. Netcords here misshits there... Just crazy. And you go saying fortune favours the brave. The ones who play aggressive tennis and take the ball early and go for their shots most of the time. No, again Nadull had more luck than he could wish for. Nole got pretty frustated in the second set about that, so I was glad he focused enough to get the job done.

Well done Nole ;)
Yeah, he got really luck at 2-3 in the 2nd set when he hit that lucky 1 handed slice and it clipped the net cord. Still, Nadal is out, a good day for tennis!
This shows us by the way, how dominant Nadull will be. Losing his first match as #1. :lol:

Smoke944
08-03-2008, 12:59 AM
Novak in the last 12 months has been the best hard court player in the world, without a doubt.

People were somehow getting the idea that Nadal was better and would be the favorite for the US Open.

sawan66278
08-03-2008, 01:00 AM
Expected victory for Djokovic. As a Rafa fan, you obviously hate to see him lose (especially to Novak)...but, after Djokovic came out on fire...whipping a flat, emotionally and physically spent Nadal, part of me wanted Rafa to simply put up a good fight in the second...because a three set match with the Olympics coming up...too much...

If you're a Rafa fan, you're ecstatic because you accomplished almost all that you wished for over this streak

1. Win Wimbledon
2. Defeat Roger in the final...the best player ever
3. Win a Master series on hard courts
4. Put in your best performance in Cincy, and
5. Become #1 in the world.

The second set, there was not much at all between the two, and Novak had to bring his 'A' game to win...if he did not play at the highest level, he would have been taken out in three. So credit to him...

If you're a Roger fan, this was probably the best thing that happened...because it means that Rafa will be the #2 seed at the Olympics, and likely have to face Djokovic...

Mark my words: the Olympics will throw EVERYTHING into a tizzy...and these hard court Masters series will likely not be a complete predictor of the U.S. Open champion.

guga2120
08-03-2008, 01:00 AM
People were somehow getting the idea that Nadal was better and would be the favorite for the US Open.

He can certainly win it, but he is not the favorite.

Manon
08-03-2008, 01:01 AM
Well don Novak :worship:

Smoke944
08-03-2008, 01:02 AM
He can certainly win it, but he is not the favorite.

Still?

Black Adam
08-03-2008, 01:02 AM
Good of MTF to start bashing Xisca. BTW Nadal isn't number 1 until the 18th but nice trolling atempt from the disgruntled fedtards.

Andi-M
08-03-2008, 01:02 AM
Stunning tennis from Novak WoW!!
His FH was on Fire today and was just too good for Nadal.

I have no idea what will happen tomorrow, but if Novak plays like that he has to be favorite.

prima donna
08-03-2008, 01:02 AM
Nadal's game is absolute rubbish on hard courts, but he will be awfully difficult to dismiss in a best 3 out of 5 format.

platinum
08-03-2008, 01:03 AM
I think this will be the first time since 1967(I just read!) that 2 different players win a couple of slams in the same year!

Rafa: FO, Wimbledon


Nole: AO, USO


This scenario hasn't happened in 41 years, never in the Open era....

opeth84
08-03-2008, 01:03 AM
Nadal isn't number 1 yet so how has he lost his first match as #1 ?

Awesome first set from Nole. And a brilliant game at 5 games all to break in the 2nd. That second set was tense. Looking forward to a possible encounter between these 2 at the US open.:)

zqloy
08-03-2008, 01:03 AM
Yeah, he got really luck at 2-3 in the 2nd set when he hit that lucky 1 handed slice and it clipped the net cord. Still, Nadal is out, a good day for tennis!
This shows us by the way, how dominant Nadull will be. Losing his first match as #1. :lol:

No doubt he is the dominant player this year, playing like a real no.1, unlike your Fed boy :hug:

Clara Bow
08-03-2008, 01:04 AM
Well, I expected this. And kudos to Nole for playing so well in the first set.

I don't expect Rafa will be a dominant number one, but I think it is interesting now because he does not have that many points to make up in the coming months. Nole and Feds area better hard court players, but Nadal is still the best on clay and in the top two imo on grass. So there will be switching around.

choppaa
08-03-2008, 01:04 AM
but let's be realistic. Even though I cheer for Nole I must say that , he he was cheating?? you know, the usual story..."he bounces the ball way too long".. "med timeout.." "fist pumping" .. All my love goes to Kita,fsojka,antonius... :)

and dylan24, prima donna, glennM and other geniuses

guga2120
08-03-2008, 01:04 AM
Still?

If Novak wins tommorow, which I think he will. He will be the clear favorite in New York, even though everybody will most likely focus on Federer and Nadal.

KoOlMaNsEaN
08-03-2008, 01:04 AM
:) Nole finally something to cheer about

NYCtennisfan
08-03-2008, 01:05 AM
Expected victory for Djokovic. As a Rafa fan, you obviously hate to see him lose (especially to Novak)...but, after Djokovic came out on fire...whipping a flat, emotionally and physically spent Nadal, part of me wanted Rafa to simply put up a good fight in the second...because a three set match with the Olympics coming up...too much...

If you're a Rafa fan, you're ecstatic because you accomplished almost all that you wished for over this streak

1. Win Wimbledon
2. Defeat Roger in the final...the best player ever
3. Win a Master series on hard courts
4. Put in your best performance in Cincy, and
5. Become #1 in the world.

The second set, there was not much at all between the two, and Novak had to bring his 'A' game to win...if he did not play at the highest level, he would have been taken out in three. So credit to him...

If you're a Roger fan, this was probably the best thing that happened...because it means that Rafa will be the #2 seed at the Olympics, and likely have to face Djokovic...

Mark my words: the Olympics will throw EVERYTHING into a tizzy...and these hard court Masters series will likely not be a complete predictor of the U.S. Open champion.

1. Still 50-50 where Djokovic will be in the draw.
2. The Olympics won't have much to do with what happens at the USO at all unless someone gets injured.

BigJohn
08-03-2008, 01:05 AM
Because of the result of this match, another angel loses its wings.

HarryMan
08-03-2008, 01:06 AM
Now thats how you roast a one dimensional moonballer!!

Thank you Novak for beating this pig :D

Clydey
08-03-2008, 01:06 AM
Too good from Djokovic. Nadal simply had no answer. When someone is flattening out their shots and hitting the lines, Nadal is in trouble. Still hits with far too much top spin on a hard court. It really stuck out tonight. The backhand went AWOL, too.

Credit to Nole. He was just too good.

platinum
08-03-2008, 01:07 AM
If you're a Rafa fan, you're ecstatic because you accomplished almost all that you wished for over this streak

1. Win Wimbledon
2. Defeat Roger in the final...the best player ever
3. Win a Master series on hard courts
4. Put in your best performance in Cincy, and
5. Become #1 in the world.






Agree. :)

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 01:08 AM
Exquisite tennis by Djoko in that first set. In the second, Rafa really managed to up his level, but it wasn't enough. In all, the best tennis I've seen from Djoko for a very, very long time. Congrats! :worship:

Rafa :hug: - go have a very nice party to celebrate your #1 position now, even if it takes just one more week to 'officially' get it...

If you're a Roger fan, this was probably the best thing that happened...because it means that Rafa will be the #2 seed at the Olympics, and likely have to face Djokovic...

Not AGAIN, please.
You know this is absolute BULLSHIT, but as you have quite a record for trolling, I guess you posted this for that very purpose... :ras:

Smoke944
08-03-2008, 01:08 AM
If Novak wins tommorow, which I think he will. He will be the clear favorite in New York, even though everybody will most likely focus on Federer and Nadal.

Yep, I really don't know what to expect from Federer now, though.

sawan66278
08-03-2008, 01:08 AM
1. Still 50-50 where Djokovic will be in the draw.
2. The Olympics won't have much to do with what happens at the USO at all unless someone gets injured.

Just the emotional toll on whomever wins...every athlete says that even the opening ceremonies are overwhelming...imagine going through the draw and winning.

NO WAY it does NOT have an impact on any of the medal winners. That is why this hard court season is VERY strange indeed.

guga2120
08-03-2008, 01:09 AM
1. Still 50-50 where Djokovic will be in the draw. :lol:
Roger is really lucky then.

2. The Olympics won't have much to do with what happens at the USO at all unless someone gets injured.

Agreed.

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 01:09 AM
THANK GOD!

Good job, Nole! (even though I won't be able to see the match until 9pm)

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 01:10 AM
Somoene bump the piggy roasting thread, PLEASE.

Ackms421
08-03-2008, 01:12 AM
Yeah, he got really luck at 2-3 in the 2nd set when he hit that lucky 1 handed slice and it clipped the net cord. Still, Nadal is out, a good day for tennis!
This shows us by the way, how dominant Nadull will be. Losing his first match as #1. :lol:

Yeah, losing his first match as #1 is definetly way more embarrassing than all those Federer losses of late to the Simon's, Karlovic's, Stepanek's and Fish's of the world. :wavey:

Clara Bow
08-03-2008, 01:13 AM
Just the emotional toll on whomever wins...every athlete says that even the opening ceremonies are overwhelming...imagine going through the draw and winning.

NO WAY it does NOT have an impact on any of the medal winners. That is why this hard court season is VERY strange indeed.

And this year is particularly important because they are adding points in a tight race at the top. Also, in terms of the medal, Roger has said how much it would mean to him, Nole has become a darling of Serbian sport, and Rafa is very proud of Spanish sport. So these guys will likely really be going for it I think.

I have the feeling that we will not see a gold medal match akin to Massu v. Fish.

Art&Soul
08-03-2008, 01:13 AM
Nadull is always Djoko's bitch on hardcourd even when he is number 1:o

HarryMan
08-03-2008, 01:13 AM
Nadal's game is absolute rubbish on hard courts, but he will be awfully difficult to dismiss in a best 3 out of 5 format.

:yeah: Yeah we have heard a lot of much Nadal has "improved". If it's an aggressive baseliner on the other side of the net then piggy is a toast :D

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 01:15 AM
Tsonga beat the crap out of Nadal at the AO. What's with this "best of 3" crap?

Clara Bow
08-03-2008, 01:15 AM
Nadull is always Djoko's bitch on hardcourd even when he is number 1:o


Is it August 18 right now? Rafa is still technically number two. :p But Nole is a better hardcourt player than Rafa, whereas Rafa is better on clay. I think their rivalry is interesting.

But I do find it interesting that a number of Roger fans are gloating about a lower ranked player being more superior on a certain surface than the person ranked number one.

When has that happened before? :p

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 01:16 AM
Yeah, losing his first match as #1 is definetly way more embarrassing than all those Federer losses of late to the Simon's, Karlovic's, Stepanek's and Fish's of the world. :wavey:
When Nadal is 27 then we'll see. :) Federer has dominated the game for so long, he had to stop. And, Nadal only beat Karlovic 6-7 7-6 7-6 this year at Queens, not like he's amazing.

MaryX
08-03-2008, 01:18 AM
Djokovic, as always, acting like what he is, a prick
:rolleyes:

Nice win.And furious first set :eek:

AndyUK
08-03-2008, 01:20 AM
Fantastic from Djokovic, hardly put a foot wrong. I definitely fancy him to win the US Open.

RafaTheBest
08-03-2008, 01:22 AM
I love how all the Noletards and Fedtards are coming out and bashing Nadal now! :lol:

I guess losing his first match in months suddenly makes him a mug. :lol:

You guys are too much! :lol:

Manon
08-03-2008, 01:22 AM
Not AGAIN, please.
You know this is absolute BULLSHIT, but as you have quite a record for trolling, I guess you posted this for that very purpose... :ras:

:hug:

And leave this 'pozer' to live in her imaginary world.

tangerine_dream
08-03-2008, 01:22 AM
The go-for-broke tactic that Blake and Youzhny use, and which Novak successfully employed tonight, is the best way to beat Rafa on these courts. That, and a tired Rafa helps. Well done to Novak. Rafa wins the consolation prize of dethroning Roger and taking over as word #1. Congrats to him too. :D

I now hope Novak can get his revenge over Snagglepuss and take Cincy; completing his North American sweep, and getting him back in the mix.

For the past few months we've been getting a nice preview of what the baby ball generation have in store for us. I'm excited about this new Nadal era. :dance:

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 01:23 AM
Rafa was tired.
Fed had mono.

Seriously? People just can't stand for Nole to win.

freeandlonely
08-03-2008, 01:26 AM
Hopefully Nole can complete the North American Masters Sweep tomorrow, but I might not mind if Murray wins his first shield either.

Totally same here.

arm
08-03-2008, 01:26 AM
Rafa was tired.
Fed had mono.

Seriously? People just can't stand for Nole to win.

Who cares? Nole won! :woohoo:

That's enough for the hater to be furious and the fans to be happy. I am happy, and that's all I care about right now. :lol:

Very well done Novak Djokovic! :hug: Looks like you are back! :D

Pepi.
08-03-2008, 01:26 AM
good job nole :yeah:

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 01:27 AM
Who cares? Nole won! :woohoo:

That's enough for the hater to be furious and the fans to be happy. I am happy, and that's all I care about right now. :lol:

Very well done Novak Djokovic! :hug: Looks like you are back! :D

I'm glad that he's back, too. He had so many doubters but his talent is enough to silence the haters. :)

Manon
08-03-2008, 01:27 AM
sawan, in your pale face with all joy I can throw:

Djokovic is absolutely broken mentally. Crisis will last and last...we must not expect anything significant from him in next few months. It's a shame...Fed is down, too. There's nobody to challenge Nadal at this moment.

Disagree ;)

he'd beat Nadal at US open IMO

HarryMan
08-03-2008, 01:27 AM
I think its worthwhile to bump the Moonballer tards excuses thread, we already have some priceless excuses today :devil:

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 01:29 AM
1. Still 50-50 where Djokovic will be in the draw.
2. The Olympics won't have much to do with what happens at the USO at all unless someone gets injured.

I'd really appreciate your post to become a 'sticky' all in its own, so we don't have to go there again, and again, and again... etc. :o

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 01:29 AM
Hopefully ESPN2 shows this match soon :) Can't wait to watch it. Glad that Novak seems to be back :D

ENOUGH OF THE X-GAMES ESPN. YOU HAVE IT ON BOTH CHANNELS :rolleyes:

xelena
08-03-2008, 01:30 AM
Rafa was tired.
Fed had mono. Rafa drank waaay too much tequila last night.. ;)

but when Nole loses to anderson,safin,my grandma , then that's his level and he's on decline and can't even win against a decent player (cakewalk draws) blablah .. ;)

btw, kita's depresed.. on the way to his grandpa basement to steal some rakiya..;)

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 01:30 AM
Yeah, wtf is with this X-Games crap? This is seriously giving me a headache.

finishingmove
08-03-2008, 01:30 AM
nice sig, arm ;)

the cat
08-03-2008, 01:31 AM
ESPN2 is sickening. :spit: No Nadal/Djokovic only the X-Games and the tennis match was supposed to be aired a half hour ago. :mad: Now I know Djokovic won and it wasn't a great match and I'm really unhappy. :(

By the way congratulations to Djokovic for the big win over Nadal to end Rafa's 32 match winning streak. Novak really needed this win.

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 01:33 AM
ESPN2 is sickening. :spit: No Nadal/Djokovic only the X-Games and the tennis match was supposed to be aired a half hour ago. :mad: Now I know Djokovic won and it wasn't a great match and I'm really unhappy. :(

By the way congratulations to Djokovic for the big win over Nadal to end Rfa's 32 match winning streak. Novak really needed this win.

From the viewpoint of a Djokovic fan, everyone keeps telling me I'm going to enjoy the first set (if ESPN ever shows it).. and I just have such a feeling they will only show the second one. *sigh*

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 01:35 AM
The X-Games are supposed to be on ESPN and Cincy is supposed to be on ESPN 2....but the Hall of Fame Induction runover has derailed all of that. The Induction is replacing the X-Games, which was put on ESPN 2, and now the X-Games are replacing Cincy which will be shown "momentarily".

My god :rolleyes:

theblejach
08-03-2008, 01:37 AM
finally :cool::cool::cool:

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 01:37 AM
Grrrrr so frustrating. :mad:

the cat
08-03-2008, 01:41 AM
From the viewpoint of a Djokovic fan, everyone keeps telling me I'm going to enjoy the first set (if ESPN ever shows it).. and I just have such a feeling they will only show the second one. *sigh*
ESPN2 has ruined this match for me. I'll still watch it but it won't be the same as if I didn't know who won and if I didn't have to wait a ridiculous amount of time to see it.

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 01:44 AM
ESPN2 has ruined this match for me. I'll still watch it but it won't be the same as if I didn't know who won and if I didn't have to wait a ridiculous amount of time to see it.

Yeah, it is kind of a pain at this point. I plan to record it, but now I can't walk away from the TV because of course the second I do, they will start showing tennis and I won't be around to hit the record button. :rolleyes:

ReturnWinner
08-03-2008, 01:44 AM
expected, Djokovic's consistent powerful flat shot off both swing are pretty difficult to handle to Nadal, in this two weeks on hard Nadal played good players but none was "a roaster" with a game like the Serbian has.

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 01:47 AM
It's on (FINALLY!) and they started it so suddenly... but at least it's on!

Jelena_78
08-03-2008, 01:49 AM
Novak :worship: And what a first set!!! :eek: :worship: :D

Hopefully Nole can complete the North American Masters Sweep tomorrow, but I might not mind if Murray wins his first shield either.

I feel the same.

Spes
08-03-2008, 01:50 AM
I am finally pleased with a Djokovic performance since Hamburg. It's about time, and what a time for it. Brilliant, they are starting to show the match as I type on ESPN2 so I can see this demolition job. I have been rooting for Nadal to become #1 but now that he for sure will be I am sure as hell glad Nole did this. I like this.

Too bad this won't count for anything since his Montreal points come off next week. It's okay, confidence and form are the key points here and he is gaining in both at a rapid rate.

Myrre
08-03-2008, 01:51 AM
Great stuff from Djokovic. Didn't falter at key moments as numerous others have done recently. I hope Federer was taking notes.

the cat
08-03-2008, 01:51 AM
Yeah, it is kind of a pain at this point. I plan to record it, but now I can't walk away from the TV because of course the second I do, they will start showing tennis and I won't be around to hit the record button. :rolleyes:
The ESPN2 telecast of Nadal/Federer has finally started about 50 minutes after it was supposed to be televised. :rolleyes:

Spes
08-03-2008, 01:52 AM
I seriously don't care about Nadal's feeling about #1, I just want to see this match. Idiots.

Manon
08-03-2008, 01:52 AM
expected, Djokovic's consistent powerful flat shot off both swing are pretty difficult to handle to Nadal, in this two weeks on hard Nadal played good players but none was "a roaster" with a game like the Serbian has.

Yes. Queens final was on 5 levels up.

bad gambler
08-03-2008, 01:55 AM
What a performance from Djokovic. Too big.

kalisita
08-03-2008, 01:56 AM
I seriously don't care about Nadal's feeling about #1, I just want to see this match. Idiots.

How about Chris Fowler asking him if he and Roger were going to sit and talk about the change in the ranking the next time they see each other? Nadal was like "I don't think so." What an uncomfortable conversation that would be (and what a stupid question).

Spes
08-03-2008, 01:57 AM
How about Chris Fowler asking him if he and Roger were going to sit and talk about the change in the ranking the next time they see each other? Nadal was like "I don't think so." What an uncomfortable conversation that would be (and what a stupid question).

Chris Fowler is the epitome of stupid. They probably didn't tell him to ask that question, he just wanted to know.

RogerFan82
08-03-2008, 01:58 AM
Congrats Djoko!!! Though I'm not a big fan of his attitude, I really like his clean hitting from both wings, especially when he is on. Great player to watch. Now win the title !!!

dsingh7
08-03-2008, 02:04 AM
expected, Djokovic's consistent powerful flat shot off both swing are pretty difficult to handle to Nadal, in this two weeks on hard Nadal played good players but none was "a roaster" with a game like the Serbian has.


second that ...i am not a Djoko fan..but i admire his abilities of hitting those flat dtl shot from both wing...less spin in the shot and less time Rafa gets to hit back the shots...

Neely
08-03-2008, 02:12 AM
Incredible stuff by Djokovic! :worship: I mean overall in the match, the first set was not only him playing superb, but Nadal really lame, too. Then again, as so often, he didn't have much business because Nole served great and went for a one-shot execution (but Nadal should have held serve better and not started like that).

The 2nd set was great to watch and good intensity by both players. Djokovic really come up with some great shots!

And of course :hatoff: for Rafa for all that he did the last months, the quality and surface-diversity of this winning 32 matches streak was simply a class of its own and even Federer could not beat that in these terms, though of course Federer complied winning streaks quantitatively better than 32.

foolish pleasure
08-03-2008, 02:13 AM
bad form from the world's new number one, loosing badly in his first match since becoming number one. :o out of respect for the occasion, he really should have won this tournament at the very least :rolleyes:

rocketassist
08-03-2008, 02:23 AM
I expected this. Good win for Novak, but don't win tomorrow please, let your buddy have his first AMS :D

Forehander
08-03-2008, 02:25 AM
lol absolutely thrashed. With the younger generations coming up hitting harder and harder, how long can Nadal last? Nadal has yet to cover his weakness on hard courts. But on the other hand he might never cover it.

tae04
08-03-2008, 02:27 AM
Good job Novak. I mean Nadal won't win every tournament. Still the best player right now :-)

vincayou
08-03-2008, 02:32 AM
Djokovic is better than Nadal on hardcourt. No big news here. Djokovic will be hard to stop in new york.

goldenlox
08-03-2008, 02:37 AM
I'm sure with Fed playing lousy, Novak thinks he's the USO favorite.
It should be a good major. The most open major on the men's side in years.

StZox
08-03-2008, 02:42 AM
Finally, Novak at his best!!!!!!!

GO NOLE

crude oil
08-03-2008, 02:46 AM
If you're a Rafa fan, you're ecstatic because you accomplished almost all that you wished for over this streak

1. Win Wimbledon
2. Defeat Roger in the final...the best player ever
3. Win a Master series on hard courts
4. Put in your best performance in Cincy, and
5. Become #1 in the world.


.


its kind of funny to see you call roger "the best player ever". it just happens to be too convenient to be sincere :lol:

luie
08-03-2008, 02:47 AM
This #1 is good.

smileitsmyan
08-03-2008, 02:54 AM
geez. some people drink way too much Haterade.

raven gypsy
08-03-2008, 02:54 AM
review of what the baby ball generation have in store for us. I'm excited about this new Nadal era. :dance:

I like that expression. :p



But I do find it interesting that a number of Roger fans are gloating about a lower ranked player being more superior on a certain surface than the person ranked number one.

When has that happened before? :p

:lol: That's what I was thinking.

Anyway, congrats to Rafa to all that he's accomplished and congrats for exceeding expectations this season.

Nole - He's Back. :cool:

I would like to see Rafa find a way to beat him on hard.

rocketassist
08-03-2008, 02:56 AM
Kinda funny to see though how even though it's supposed to be Fakervic that the Fed fans hate the most, they're all loving the fact he's won a match for once ;)

goldenlox
08-03-2008, 02:59 AM
This #1 is good.Nadal handled getting to #1 about as well as Jankovic handled it.

Jimnik
08-03-2008, 03:04 AM
Expected result.

Djokovic is still the king of hard courts and enjoys this kind of match-up. While Nadal will always find it more difficult in Cincy, definitely the fastest TMS event.

Tomorrow should be a great final and I do think it's 50-50.

MacTheKnife
08-03-2008, 03:32 AM
Welcome to #1 Rafa, not quite as easy as Fed made it look. No big surprise though, Djok looks like he's back in form on HCs. Should be a very interesting match tomorrow the way Murray is playing right now.

HNCS
08-03-2008, 03:35 AM
:lol: so much 'humour' in the tennis world these days...*sigh*

Tennis be the death of me.

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 03:37 AM
Wow. Nole beat the brakes off Nadal in the first set. He was pretty much untouchable.

crude oil
08-03-2008, 03:37 AM
:lol:

im sure if rafa had clinched #1 during the clay season, he would be ripping ppl's hearts out and showing what a great #1 he is. Cut him some slack, he obviously got #1 on his worst surface.

Was federer not an impressive #1 after getting schooled time and again in finals against nadal? What about sampras on clay getting mauled by journey men during his time of dominance. Nadal loses to arguably the best on hardcourts and all of a sudden, he sucks as a #1. Talk about pulling straws.

peterparker
08-03-2008, 03:39 AM
Pretty brutal first set. Nadal served terribly in that set, very weak. He basically has to be at his best to take on djokovic on the hard courts and he has to grind djoko down. One good sign was he did seem to have the ability to draw some errors out of the djokovic backhand.

octatennis
08-03-2008, 03:42 AM
:lol:

im sure if rafa had clinched #1 during the clay season, he would be ripping ppl's hearts out and showing what a great #1 he is. Cut him some slack, he obviously got #1 on his worst surface.

Was federer not an impressive #1 after getting schooled time and again in finals against nadal? What about sampras on clay getting mauled by journey men during his time of dominance. Nadal loses to arguably the best on hardcourts and all of a sudden, he sucks as a #1. Talk about pulling straws.


great post.

betowiec
08-03-2008, 03:52 AM
well done Nole

SheepleBuster
08-03-2008, 03:52 AM
and Nadal lost his first match as world #1, that will give us an idea how dominant he is going to be :o

too good djokovic, it was a great match to watch :cool:

Not technically. Roger is still No. 1. I think the next match will be through Olympics? Still. As much as I hate Nole, I just admire the fact that he doesn't shank backhands. I am sick and tired of watching Roger shank bh and fhs on most important points (e.g. against Karlovic). And the return game of nole was a pleasure to watch not like slice-into-bottom-of-the-net strategy that Federer is using these days.

star
08-03-2008, 03:54 AM
I enjoyed the match although it was a bit bittersweet for me. What a marvelous run Nadal has had. 32 straight matches in a row and the streak covers three surfaces. Truly remarkable. I wonder if one of our great stat people will tell us when is the last time that happened?

As much as I wanted to see Nadal win, I was very impressed with Djokovic's play. He showed some great stuff. I can't wait for the U.S. Open. We've got three remarkable players at the top of the game. Two on the rise and one trying to regain the top spot. They should all be very eager to win the last slam of the year.

star
08-03-2008, 03:57 AM
Kinda funny to see though how even though it's supposed to be Fakervic that the Fed fans hate the most, they're all loving the fact he's won a match for once ;)


Oh, be nice to the FedFans. :hug: :hug: They have to find joy where they can. :lol: :lol:

Lillith
08-03-2008, 03:57 AM
I won't get into the Djokovic or Nadal bashing in this thread, but I will say that I can't stand Brad Gilbert. Guy has such a bad man crush on Nadal, he just shouldn't ever be allowed to act as a commentater on any of Nadal's matches.


Other than that, good match from Djokovic, good run from Nadal and getting to #1. Hopefully Federer can actually get his act together and make the rest of the year even more interesting.

+alonso
08-03-2008, 03:58 AM
I think either Federer or Nadal would have lost to Djokovic today. But people keep on trying to bash Nadal. I'm not a fan of Nadal but heey, He deserves the #1 spot.

Clay Death
08-03-2008, 04:00 AM
I enjoyed the match although it was a bit bittersweet for me. What a marvelous run Nadal has had. 32 straight matches in a row and the streak covers three surfaces. Truly remarkable. I wonder if one of our great stat people will tell us when is the last time that happened?

As much as I wanted to see Nadal win, I was very impressed with Djokovic's play. He showed some great stuff. I can't wait for the U.S. Open. We've got three remarkable players at the top of the game. Two on the rise and one trying to regain the top spot. They should all be very eager to win the last slam of the year.


affirmative. we will have a number of players in the mix there for a change. we know about Fed and Nadal but now Djokovic and Murray are getting in the mix.

i cant wait to see the U.S. Open.

star
08-03-2008, 04:01 AM
affirmative. we will have a number of players in the mix there for a change. we know about Fed and Nadal but now Djokovic and Murray are getting in the mix.

i cant wait to see the U.S. Open.

You're right! I should have said four players because Murray is certainly in that mix too, and might well win tomorrow. :)

Metis
08-03-2008, 04:05 AM
In other news, after the fall of Queens, Wimbledon and Toronto, Cincinnati manages to retain its status as a hard court tournament for at least another year. :)

SheepleBuster
08-03-2008, 04:07 AM
Why is it that everytime Nadal loses, he is tired? Gilbert was saying Nadal was tired and he would be the favorite against Nole at U.S. Open. I B.S that. Nadal can lose to a number of people. But if Nadal gets a tough draw (not pigeons), and faces lets say Karlovic in 3rd Round, Youzhny in fourth, and Blake in quarters, and then gets a Murray or Roddick in semis and win, then I will accept him as a true threat on a hardcourt. Until then, he will be good for quarters, maybe getting to a semi, but how he does will depend on his draw. Federer will be out in semis regardless.

JolánGagó
08-03-2008, 04:12 AM
In other news, after the fall of Queens, Wimbledon and Toronto, Cincinnati manages to retain its status as a hard court tournament for at least another year. :)

Apparently so, yeah.

:lol:

star
08-03-2008, 04:13 AM
In other news, after the fall of Queens, Wimbledon and Toronto, Cincinnati manages to retain its status as a hard court tournament for at least another year. :)

:lol: :lol:

MrChopin
08-03-2008, 04:13 AM
affirmative. we will have a number of players in the mix there for a change. we know about Fed and Nadal but now Djokovic and Murray are getting in the mix.

i cant wait to see the U.S. Open.

Djokovic has been in the mix for over a year now. Users were predicting he'd win the golden slam this year, so this is not his coming out party. More was expected of him by many in '08, and he couldn't live up to the pressure. That's not to say that he won't play great tennis at USO.

Anyway, semi-expected this kind of result. Actually, expected it for a while, but most players couldn't pony up. Nadal is still in the top three favorites for the USO, but that first set will ding the armor he built up over the last few months.

jcempire
08-03-2008, 04:24 AM
Djok play very well in his favorite Hard Court, That's why I guess Djok would come right back take No 2 spot from Federer.

He would be on fire during Hard Court season

gillian
08-03-2008, 04:27 AM
Hmmm....I was wondering how Nadal would fare against Djokovic, who has obviously really excelled on hard courts.

So, Nadal goes into USO as #1 seed. Most interesting.

SheepleBuster
08-03-2008, 04:31 AM
:lol: :lol: You know Tennis is a product and right now people pay money for a** picking. Ain't nothing personal. It's all business. People don't come to see Novak vs. Gulbis. They come to see Nadal vs. Lapentti. Why? There is more action going on. By the way, why does Nadal grunt like Sharapova?

lina_seta
08-03-2008, 04:46 AM
Kinda funny to see though how even though it's supposed to be Fakervic that the Fed fans hate the most, they're all loving the fact he's won a match for once ;)

lol ive never said that... i never actually hated nole... hes just the wildcard ill draw out for convenience :devil:
it depends on who i want to see winning... and as long as nadal is a POTENTIAL threat (not a threat, a potential threat) to fed's legacy, then i will want him to lose even if i like rafa...

and cmon... djoker is just too much fun (borrowing from the dark night)you would never really want him out...
a controversial, sometimes funny, sometimes annoying player in the mix is a MUST for entertaining tennis. the top two are to nice and politically correct to each other.
Rafa-Roger... thats like... so 2007

Its the TRINITY WAR now

zqloy
08-03-2008, 04:46 AM
Tsonga beat the crap out of Nadal at the AO. What's with this "best of 3" crap?

Oh please, and where the hell is that tsonga mug hidding now? :o

foolish pleasure
08-03-2008, 04:48 AM
:lol:

im sure if rafa had clinched #1 during the clay season, he would be ripping ppl's hearts out and showing what a great #1 he is. Cut him some slack, he obviously got #1 on his worst surface.

Was federer not an impressive #1 after getting schooled time and again in finals against nadal? What about sampras on clay getting mauled by journey men during his time of dominance. Nadal loses to arguably the best on hardcourts and all of a sudden, he sucks as a #1. Talk about pulling straws.

uummm...yeah you're right, he was a crap winner when he took over the #1:

roger federer (became # in February 2004)--Australian Open (winner), Dubai(winner), Indian Wells AMS(winner), Hamburg AMS(winner), Halle(winner), Wimbledon(winner), Gstaad(winner), Canada AMS(winner), US Open(winner), Bangkok(winner), Tennis Masters Cup(winner)--i don't think he faced rafa to many times that year...nadal 2004--Sopot (winner); Auckland (finalist)

but seriously, why should anyone cut rafa some slack, who is cutting federer any slack? federer's record on clay, his worst surface, is night and day better than rafa's results on hard courts, his worst surface...b-b-b-but...

10nisfan
08-03-2008, 04:51 AM
:lol: at These Haters coming out of the woodworks... they've hibernating since April...

Congrats to Djoker...:clap2: WE ALL KNOW He's the Better Player on HC Than RAFA...:rolleyes:

Good Run RAFA...:clap2::rocker2::worship: ....Now Get Some Rest and get Ready for The Olympics

scarecrows
08-03-2008, 04:53 AM
Finally the Rafa haters have something to cheer about :lol:

you had to wait 5 years for that :hug:

Scotso
08-03-2008, 04:57 AM
Nole :rocker2:

take the title.

SwiSha
08-03-2008, 05:35 AM
too good this nole

star
08-03-2008, 05:56 AM
uummm...yeah you're right, he was a crap winner when he took over the #1:

roger federer (became # in February 2004)--Australian Open (winner), Dubai(winner), Indian Wells AMS(winner), Hamburg AMS(winner), Halle(winner), Wimbledon(winner), Gstaad(winner), Canada AMS(winner), US Open(winner), Bangkok(winner), Tennis Masters Cup(winner)--i don't think he faced rafa to many times that year...nadal 2004--Sopot (winner); Auckland (finalist)

but seriously, why should anyone cut rafa some slack, who is cutting federer any slack? federer's record on clay, his worst surface, is night and day better than rafa's results on hard courts, his worst surface...b-b-b-but...

I don't really understand your argument. Everyone knows Federer's record to date is better than Nadal's. But even if Nadal's record never equals Federer, that has nothing to do with whether Nadal is a deserving number one this year. He's the only player holding two Grand Slam titles, and he's the only one for god knows how long to have an impressive winning streak that spans three different surfaces. He's number one because he has done better than anyone else this year.

star
08-03-2008, 05:58 AM
You know Tennis is a product and right now people pay money for a** picking. Ain't nothing personal. It's all business. People don't come to see Novak vs. Gulbis. They come to see Nadal vs. Lapentti. Why? There is more action going on. By the way, why does Nadal grunt like Sharapova?

And this is relevant to my laughing at Metis's post in what way?

jcempire
08-03-2008, 06:04 AM
Why is it that everytime Nadal loses, he is tired? Gilbert was saying Nadal was tired and he would be the favorite against Nole at U.S. Open. I B.S that. Nadal can lose to a number of people. But if Nadal gets a tough draw (not pigeons), and faces lets say Karlovic in 3rd Round, Youzhny in fourth, and Blake in quarters, and then gets a Murray or Roddick in semis and win, then I will accept him as a true threat on a hardcourt. Until then, he will be good for quarters, maybe getting to a semi, but how he does will depend on his draw. Federer will be out in semis regardless.


"faces lets say Karlovic in 3rd Round, Youzhny in fourth, and Blake in quarters, and then gets a Murray or Roddick in semis and win"

Impossbile, how you go to draw those guys on his half, that it kills him

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

jcempire
08-03-2008, 06:05 AM
too good this nole

He is my pick to win USOPEN

sawan66278
08-03-2008, 06:27 AM
I love how all the Noletards and Fedtards are coming out and bashing Nadal now! :lol:

I guess losing his first match in months suddenly makes him a mug. :lol:

You guys are too much! :lol:

Exactly. In the NBA, winning 18 games or so in a row is tremendous. If I'm not mistaken, winning 30 something games in a row is the record...Rafa had not lost a match in FIVE TOURNEYS on three different surfaces. Think about it: it was May on clay at the indoor tourney in Hamburg when Rafa started this streak...so, obviously, after dominating the clay AND grass...there's really not been much for Rafa-haters to enjoy.

Is it August 18 right now? Rafa is still technically number two. :p But Nole is a better hardcourt player than Rafa, whereas Rafa is better on clay. I think their rivalry is interesting.

But I do find it interesting that a number of Roger fans are gloating about a lower ranked player being more superior on a certain surface than the person ranked number one.

When has that happened before? :p

Par for the course-because for now, a non-Rafa fan can ONLY be a fan of a player looking up.:D

sawan, in your pale face with all joy I can throw:

Pale face? You've been watching too many early Hollywood films about Native Americans...

Yeah, it is kind of a pain at this point. I plan to record it, but now I can't walk away from the TV because of course the second I do, they will start showing tennis and I won't be around to hit the record button. :rolleyes:

I actually paid for the match on the ATP site because of the USTA's ongoing "wonderful" promotion of the sport here in the States.

Incredible stuff by Djokovic! :worship: I mean overall in the match, the first set was not only him playing superb, but Nadal really lame, too. Then again, as so often, he didn't have much business because Nole served great and went for a one-shot execution (but Nadal should have held serve better and not started like that).

The 2nd set was great to watch and good intensity by both players. Djokovic really come up with some great shots!

And of course :hatoff: for Rafa for all that he did the last months, the quality and surface-diversity of this winning 32 matches streak was simply a class of its own and even Federer could not beat that in these terms, though of course Federer complied winning streaks quantitatively better than 32.

Credit to Djokovic...but, Rafa came in, and STILL, after all the tennis played, made Djokovic EARN the match after the blowout opening set.

bad form from the world's new number one, loosing badly in his first match since becoming number one. :o out of respect for the occasion, he really should have won this tournament at the very least :rolleyes:

Tell that to Kafelnikov and other former #1's with their stellar responses to the top ranking.

I'm sure with Fed playing lousy, Novak thinks he's the USO favorite.
It should be a good major. The most open major on the men's side in years.

I will tell you this: if Roger wins the gold medal, he will win the Open.

its kind of funny to see you call roger "the best player ever". it just happens to be too convenient to be sincere :lol:

The only thing stopping him from this moniker? How he responds to the challenge of Rafa.

Nadal handled getting to #1 about as well as Jankovic handled it.

I don't really understand your argument. Everyone knows Federer's record to date is better than Nadal's. But even if Nadal's record never equals Federer, that has nothing to do with whether Nadal is a deserving number one this year. He's the only player holding two Grand Slam titles, and he's the only one for god knows how long to have an impressive winning streak that spans three different surfaces. He's number one because he has done better than anyone else this year.

That is my point...over the last few years, fans have assumed that being #1 requires utter domination. Obviously, they have forgotten Pete Sampras' streak of six straight years as the year-end world #1...those years were almost nothing like Roger's...Pete NEVER dominated like Roger...but he was still the best.

crude oil
08-03-2008, 06:35 AM
uummm...yeah you're right, he was a crap winner when he took over the #1:

roger federer (became # in February 2004)--Australian Open (winner), Dubai(winner), Indian Wells AMS(winner), Hamburg AMS(winner), Halle(winner), Wimbledon(winner), Gstaad(winner), Canada AMS(winner), US Open(winner), Bangkok(winner), Tennis Masters Cup(winner)--i don't think he faced rafa to many times that year...nadal 2004--Sopot (winner); Auckland (finalist)

but seriously, why should anyone cut rafa some slack, who is cutting federer any slack? federer's record on clay, his worst surface, is night and day better than rafa's results on hard courts, his worst surface...b-b-b-but...

i think you missed the point...:confused:

Im saying that both federer and nadal are hugely impressive and deserve #1 in their respective periods. We have exactly one match so far with nadal #1 on his worst surface. I think some ppl are rushing to judgement when they assess rafa's reign.

nadal is unlikely to match federer as a #1 but that doesnt mean he cannot be a very deserving and impressive #1.

adee-gee
08-03-2008, 06:39 AM
Incredibly good first set from Nole, I can only take my hatoff and say if he plays like that at the US Open, no-one is beating him :hatoff:

Impressive serving and groundstrokes, outplayed Nadal. Poor returning stats from Rafa, especially on the 2nd serve, needed to do more with it.

Go rest up son ;)

Jelena
08-03-2008, 06:44 AM
First set was what I would call a donkey-punch. How good is this Djokovic? Unreal. :worship:

What a great way to start Nadal's reign as #1. :haha:
I don't know exactly anymore when it was, but Philippoussis at one tournament beat the until-then #1 in SF and in Final the new becoming #1. So that was the same thing.

selyoink
08-03-2008, 06:58 AM
Djokovic shows the hardcourt mug Nadal how to play tennis. Maybe his showing will make the others mugs to stop acting like pussies when they confront Nadal on a hardcourt.

Erica86
08-03-2008, 07:01 AM
Congratulations to Nole. Well deserved win. In the first set Nole was outstanding.
The second set was throughly enjoyable.

nisha
08-03-2008, 07:09 AM
well well well

nadal looked tired, and Nole played good and given his lack of matches recently he was definately the more fresher player.

Murray to win the title, if he was facing Nadal it would be tough but he can beat Nole im sure.

scarecrows
08-03-2008, 07:09 AM
He is my pick to win USOPEN

he was also your pick to be the next number 1 after Federer :rolleyes:

JolánGagó
08-03-2008, 07:11 AM
Djokovic shows the hardcourt mug Nadal how to play tennis. Maybe his showing will make the others mugs to stop acting like pussies when they confront Nadal on a hardcourt.

Do you get spanked or something if don't write the same once and again in every post?

rafa_maniac
08-03-2008, 07:17 AM
And so the streak ends here, as I knew it would. I couldn't be more more proud of Rafa's accomplishments over the past few months, he has nothing left to prove this year, and it seems somewhat fitting that his last match in this incredible streak should be the one that clinches #1 for him. Now go get some rest for the Olympics and US Open! The only thing I'm remotely dissapointed about is that he had to lose to Nole, who on hardcourts is proving to be the same thorn-in-the-side of the soon to be #1 that Rafa on clay was to Fed during his mighty reign.

rafa_maniac
08-03-2008, 07:21 AM
I love how all the Noletards and Fedtards are coming out and bashing Nadal now! :lol:

I guess losing his first match in months suddenly makes him a mug. :lol:

You guys are too much! :lol:

MTF logic. A mug = any player that does not win every match they play. This board is a hoot. A week ago when he lost to Murray, Djoko was a washed up djoke of a player. Now he's a hero again. I also find it highly amusing that Djoko was by far the most hated player around here up until about Indian Wells, and now the plethora of cheering for his win coming from all sides, especially Fed fans, after this match :lol:

dodoboy
08-03-2008, 07:24 AM
Damnnit :o

Oh well, at least we have got that loss out of the way!

Expect big things in OG and USO.

Deathless Mortal
08-03-2008, 07:31 AM
Wow, I'm surprised, I thought Nadal will win this one.
Didn't watch the match but obviously a deserved win for Đoković.
I still hope Murray wins the final, but it probably won't happen.

Fedexex
08-03-2008, 07:36 AM
Novak:woohoo:

groundstroke
08-03-2008, 07:57 AM
Oh, be nice to the FedFans. :hug: :hug: They have to find joy where they can. :lol: :lol:
Tell me about it, after being ranked #1 for 235 consecutive weeks, it's hard to find any joy. :rolleyes: Or the fact that Fed has won US open 4 times, which is just around the corner.

~*BGT*~
08-03-2008, 07:57 AM
Damn, damn, damn!! :fiery:

Castafiore
08-03-2008, 08:11 AM
Expected really. Djoker is a better player on this sort of surface. :shrug:

In the :o first set, I was happy to see Rafa put up a fight at least.

babuska6
08-03-2008, 08:14 AM
What a great match from Novak. He played excellent tennis in first set and in second set he showed his mental quality when he hit great servis on nadal´s breakpoints..absolutely great match i hope he´ll win a title after long time.

Tom Paulman
08-03-2008, 08:48 AM
Good job Djoko, but I hope you lose to Murray today.

Sebby
08-03-2008, 09:06 AM
Damn, damn, damn!! :fiery:

You seem pretty insatiable, do you always want more? :aplot: :p


back on the topic : FINALLY!

On the other hand those days of MUCH DESERVED rest could make the difference for the Olympics. Because of this, I think Nadal is the favorite for the Gold Medal.

scoobs
08-03-2008, 09:29 AM
Right the way through the match Nole was at a very high level and his tactics against Nadal's game were pretty much spot-on for a hardcourt match.

In the first set Rafa's court positioning was poor, he was WAY too far back a lot of the time, and his own shots were landing way too short right from the return or from his first groundstroke after serving, allowing Nole to really be aggressive and take control immediately. Coupled with some very uncharacteristic loose UEs, Rafa going down 6-1 was to be expected.

Rafa changed it up a bit in the second, tried to find better length, be more aggressive and get up to the baseline more to keep Nole further back and fight for the real estate - he was doing a pretty good job too. For most of the second set he was creating far more chances on the increasingly frustrated Nole's serve than he was dealing with on his own. For a period it looked like the match might just turn and Rafa might take the second set, but then Rafa had a little lapse at 5-5 for a couple of points and Nole saw his chance, found another level and took the decisive break.

Was an entertaining match for th e most part and the better player on the night certainly won.

Damn
08-03-2008, 09:43 AM
On the other hand those days of MUCH DESERVED rest could make the difference for the Olympics. Because of this, I think Nadal is the favorite for the Gold Medal.

At least one sensible Federer fan. Congrats :hatoff:

PS: It's kinda pathetic to see how the Federer fans are Rafa haters at the same time. I think that a lot of posters of this forums should learn something about the words classy and gracious, yeah, that 2 aspects of Federer's behaviour you love so much, but at the same time you don't know a shit about what they mean.

Venle
08-03-2008, 09:53 AM
Well done, Djokovic :)

Castafiore
08-03-2008, 09:55 AM
Right the way through the match Nole was at a very high level and his tactics against Nadal's game were pretty much spot-on for a hardcourt match.

In the first set Rafa's court positioning was poor, he was WAY too far back a lot of the time, and his own shots were landing way too short right from the return or from his first groundstroke after serving, allowing Nole to really be aggressive and take control immediately. Coupled with some very uncharacteristic loose UEs, Rafa going down 6-1 was to be expected.

Rafa changed it up a bit in the second, tried to find better length, be more aggressive and get up to the baseline more to keep Nole further back and fight for the real estate - he was doing a pretty good job too. For most of the second set he was creating far more chances on the increasingly frustrated Nole's serve than he was dealing with on his own. For a period it looked like the match might just turn and Rafa might take the second set, but then Rafa had a little lapse at 5-5 for a couple of points and Nole saw his chance, found another level and took the decisive break.

Was an entertaining match for th e most part and the better player on the night certainly won.
Good post, Scoobs. Fully agree with your analysis.

After the first set, I contemplated going to bed but I figured that I had missed enough matches during the workweek so I felt that I should sit this one out. Beatdown or not.
I'm glad that I did because it was good to see Rafa making adjustements.
Too bad that it wasn't enough to win the set but still, I guess that it gives him something to work towards: continue to improve on hardcourts.

Modetopia
08-03-2008, 10:26 AM
Nole=#1 killer:devil:

Eden
08-03-2008, 10:30 AM
PS: It's kinda pathetic to see how the Federer fans are Rafa haters at the same time. I think that a lot of posters of this forums should learn something about the words classy and gracious, yeah, that 2 aspects of Federer's behaviour you love so much, but at the same time you don't know a shit about what they mean.

You are new to MTF, but it's nothing new that each fangroup has their faults. No need to generalize just the behaviour of one fangroup.
Some Djokovic fans couldn't just enjoy the achievements of Novak without downgrading Federer, same goes for some Rafa fans. On the same time you will find some Federer fans who will surely be happy to give back a bit of the trashtalk which is to find about Roger here on GM.

OT: I haven't watched the match. Seems that Novak is really getting in form right in time for the Olympics and USO. Will be interesting to see him playing against Murray in the final.

It's no shame for Rafa that his incredible winning streak ended against Djokovic. Good for him that he now has a few days to rest before the Olympics and to realize that he has really made it to the #1.

There will be a lot of more matches between these two in the future and as it seems as Murray is now near his real breakthrough those three players along a certain player named Federer are promising exciting times in tennis.

Bilbo
08-03-2008, 10:34 AM
expected one

safinalium
08-03-2008, 10:56 AM
Bummer....the first time i bet vcash and Nadal lost :smash:

Castafiore
08-03-2008, 10:57 AM
Some Djokovic fans couldn't just enjoy the achievements of Novak without downgrading Federer, same goes for some Rafa fans. On the same time you will find some Federer fans who will surely be happy to give back a bit of the trashtalk which is to find about Roger here on GM.
So, you limit your comment about some of Nole and Rafa's fans to "can't enjoy victories without downgrading Federer" but upgrade it for some of Roger's fans to "giving back a bit of the trashtalk about Roger on GM".

:scratch: I can't say that I fully agree with that summary (clearly, every top player has trashy fans who love to hate other players just because they would prefer their player to soak up all the sunshine and every top player receives trashtalk on MTF) but I do agree that making sweeping statements is silly but that's MTF for you. Not every Federer fan is a Nadal hater, no, and you're a shining example of it.

Voo de Mar
08-03-2008, 10:58 AM
There will be a lot of more matches between these two in the future and as it seems as Murray is now near his real breakthrough those three players along a certain player named Federer are promising exciting times in tennis.

:cool: :worship:

Manon
08-03-2008, 11:06 AM
You are new to MTF

Doris, great post as always just a hint - he/she isn't new.

rafa the best
08-03-2008, 11:10 AM
RAFA IS STILL NOT THE No1, SO DJOKOVIC IS NOT THE FIRST ONE TO BEAT THE NEW No1

I expected this result since Rafa is tired, both in his head and in his body. I'm happy he put on a fight in the second even though he wasn't 100%

bokehlicious
08-03-2008, 11:10 AM
PS: It's kinda pathetic to see how the Federer fans are Rafa haters at the same time.

:hug: :hug: True, and on the other hand every Rafa fan truly and genuinely respects Federer. You're too good :worship: :hatoff:

Manon
08-03-2008, 11:14 AM
PS: It's kinda pathetic

It's kinda pathetic you're behind another username. 3rd time. There's so many ways to be exposed but it is probably suitable (for now for someone) not to touch you.

P. Antonius, hello:wavey:

Myrre
08-03-2008, 11:15 AM
Oh please, and where the hell is that tsonga mug hidding now? :o

Tsonga has been out for months because of knee problems (think he's had surgery). Anything else, you stupid woman?

MILOS
08-03-2008, 11:16 AM
Hahahahahahaha

Rafa no.1-very funny

Nole :worship: for last evening

bokehlicious
08-03-2008, 11:18 AM
P. Antonius, hello:wavey:

:wavey: hi mate, you must be thrilled by the result of that semi :o :angel: :)

Black Adam
08-03-2008, 11:31 AM
Expected signature, JM POWER.

your_valentine
08-03-2008, 11:47 AM
Love you Novak :woohoo:

sanshisan
08-03-2008, 11:52 AM
Absolutely STUNNING first set Novak. Congrats on an important win. Now take the Master's sheild!

:worship:

Blue Heart24
08-03-2008, 11:55 AM
Great match from Djokovic,he really played well.
Nadal was pretty bad though, 10 winners/20 UE,thats not Nadal-like!

Albatros99
08-03-2008, 11:59 AM
Right the way through the match Nole was at a very high level and his tactics against Nadal's game were pretty much spot-on for a hardcourt match.

In the first set Rafa's court positioning was poor, he was WAY too far back a lot of the time, and his own shots were landing way too short right from the return or from his first groundstroke after serving, allowing Nole to really be aggressive and take control immediately. Coupled with some very uncharacteristic loose UEs, Rafa going down 6-1 was to be expected.

Rafa changed it up a bit in the second, tried to find better length, be more aggressive and get up to the baseline more to keep Nole further back and fight for the real estate - he was doing a pretty good job too. For most of the second set he was creating far more chances on the increasingly frustrated Nole's serve than he was dealing with on his own. For a period it looked like the match might just turn and Rafa might take the second set, but then Rafa had a little lapse at 5-5 for a couple of points and Nole saw his chance, found another level and took the decisive break.

Was an entertaining match for th e most part and the better player on the night certainly won.

Actually those faulty tactics from Nadal have been a constant feature in these two last tournaments. He just got away with it thanks to the fact of Toronto being slower and his tremendous fighting qualities. Nadal, when tired, resorts to his utmost defensive style that serves him so well on clay but that it is insufficient on grass or hard courts when facing an attacking and inspired player.

The same way he has improved his serve he should now concentrate on his return game. I find it ridiculous that he stays 3 meters behind the baseline to return a second serve.

Manon
08-03-2008, 12:18 PM
:wavey: hi mate, you must be thrilled by the result of that semi :o :angel: :)

4-2 on HC, why should I be thrilled? Mate:)

Manon
08-03-2008, 12:31 PM
Right the way through the match Nole was at a very high level and his tactics against Nadal's game were pretty much spot-on for a hardcourt match.

In the first set Rafa's court positioning was poor, he was WAY too far back a lot of the time, and his own shots were landing way too short right from the return or from his first groundstroke after serving, allowing Nole to really be aggressive and take control immediately. Coupled with some very uncharacteristic loose UEs, Rafa going down 6-1 was to be expected.

Rafa changed it up a bit in the second, tried to find better length, be more aggressive and get up to the baseline more to keep Nole further back and fight for the real estate - he was doing a pretty good job too. For most of the second set he was creating far more chances on the increasingly frustrated Nole's serve than he was dealing with on his own. For a period it looked like the match might just turn and Rafa might take the second set, but then Rafa had a little lapse at 5-5 for a couple of points and Nole saw his chance, found another level and took the decisive break.

Was an entertaining match for th e most part and the better player on the night certainly won.

1. Rafa is always WAY too far back, suits to him, this is not excuse.

2. Nole frustrated (increasingly) serve > realization 2nd - 77%.

3. I honestly have a doubts that 'for a period it looked like Rafa might to take 2nd' coz he'was better? I even think that the biggest Rafa fans don't allowed themselves to think (hope yes) he can do anything more last night.

4. Anyone else tired of exuses? Rafa lost but Rafa is the best. Nothing scary or for excusing. I am glad he's a human after all.

Clydey
08-03-2008, 12:36 PM
Rafael Nadal

CINCINNATI, OHIO

N. DJOKOVIC/R. Nadal
6-1, 7-5

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Looks like Novak doesn't like you to stay too long in the No. 1 position.

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, I think he wants to be No. 1, too, no? But right now, first of all, I am not yet No. 1. Second, I played a very good tournament here in Cincinnati, no? Semifinal, and after winning in Toronto is almost perfect, no?
So I play my best summer hard season in my life, so very happy for that. Today he played unbelievable in the first set. In the second, I felt well, in some moment I felt I was playing better than him.
Finally, he beat me. He have the break in the 5-All, no? So just congratulate him because he's playing well. You know how is the tennis. Probably I wasn't at my 100% condition. During all this tournament I didn't play my best much.
Today I think in the second set I played better than the days before, so happy for that because I end the tournaments with good feelings.
But it's very tough, the calendar, no?

Q. Was the first set more because of fatigue? You've been playing well. Looked like the first set was very different than what you had been playing before. Was it just him playing better, or...

RAFAEL NADAL: No, he plays unbelievable the first set, no? Nothing to say, no? He touch the ball unbelievable. Every time he touch the ball always very close to the line.
So just right now difficult win set when other guy is playing like this. I try to fight for the rest of the match; I did. I have my chances in the second set, and today wasn't day for me.
He played better than me, but that's it. We don't have to find no one excuse. We are playing against the best players of the world, and in these matches if another one is feeling a little bit better than the other is a little bit easier, no?
Probably he's a little bit more fresh than the others because, well, he lost in Wimbledon in second round, so he has one month for prepare this hard season. One month preparing is easier. Probably he's in better condition than the rest right now, no?

Q. When you know that you will become world No. 1 quite soon, is it more difficult to focus than just on the next match?

RAFAEL NADAL: No. The true, no, because it's not the only chance, this tournament or the Olympics, for be No. 1, no, in case if I wouldn't be No. 1 here. So nothing extra pression, no disconcentrate (sic) because I know I have more chances.
I am in a good position, still in a very good position. The goal is only continuing playing like this and continuing improve my tennis for have chances for continuing winning important tournaments on this surface.

Q. But now that it's happened, do you not feel excited?

RAFAEL NADAL: What's excited, no? It's difficult. I feel happy because for sure be No. 1 is hard work from a long, long time ago, so very happy for that. But no time for be excited and be happy and enjoy. I have Olympics in one week. You know, I won Wimbledon and I won Toronto. I was playing in Cincinnati on Wednesday, so no time for enjoy nothing.
Only for try to continuing practicing and for try to continuing enjoying playing, but at the same time, being very focus all the time, no?
Maybe after the semifinals of Davis Cup I going to have some days for enjoy. I don't know if I going to be No. 1 there, but if I play well I going to have my chance. But after Davis Cup I gonna have chance for enjoy a little bit.

Q. With all the matches that you've played, is this going to be difficult on you physically to play the Olympics and then the US Open?

RAFAEL NADAL: Going to be difficult for me because I am the player who play most matches in this year. But that's good news, too, no? Going to be difficult, yes. Going to be difficult.
But right now I have one week for prepare Olympics; later I going to go back, two days at home. So I think it's only two more important tournaments. The last effort, important effort, so I will try my best for do well these two tournaments, no?
Later I play semifinals of Davis Cup, but this is at home so it's easier. Later I have three weeks at home, and later all the time playing in Europe, so going to be fine.

Q. When do you leave for the Olympics?

RAFAEL NADAL: When? Tomorrow I think.

Q. Are you excited?

RAFAEL NADAL: Excited? Right now not excited. I going to be excited when I am there, no? But right now it's tough after only be one week at home and I play in Toronto and Cincinnati, go directly to Beijing. Is long time to be outside the home. Some people don't how tough is it.

Q. As you look back on this tournament, what are some of the positives that you take out of it? I mean, the fact that you became No. 1, or at least you will be in a couple of weeks partially because of this tournament, what are some of positive that you take from this match?

RAFAEL NADAL: (Through translation.) The positive things from this match is easy, no? Positive thing is when I was playing better the level wasn't -- was very similar, no? In the second set was very close, the match.
The other thing is when he was playing unbelievable I didn't have any chance. I think the level of what he played the first set is very -- almost impossible to arrive, no?

Q. So much of the attention this week has been about you and Roger and the No. 1 spot. Is Djokovic almost like the forgotten man?

RAFAEL NADAL: Forgotten? Maybe for you. Not for us, no? He's the No. 3 of the world, doing an unbelievable season, winning a Grand Slam. If he wins tomorrow going to be the third Masters Series, so he's playing unbelievable, no?
No one forgets Djokovic in no one moment, because he always is, well, he's in a very good position for try to be No. 1 at the end this season. Hopefully not, but he has his chance, and he has his chance for win Olympics and US Open, too.

Q. You came to this tournament with a lot of confidence because you won the French Open and Wimbledon. But he beat you also in Indian Wells. How can you compare those two matches?

RAFAEL NADAL: Both matches are completely different, no? Completely different situations. I arrived to Indian Wells, and it was my first tournament when I started to play better. After I played very well in Miami, and after I started to play unbelievable on clay and later on grass, no?
So I arrived in semifinals against Djokovic playing against Blake a very tough match and Tsonga too a very tough match.
No conserved (sic) for be in the semifinal, but very happy for be there, because I won two very important matches for me before. This time it's different, no?
I arrived here with probably my best moment in my careera. But at the same time, always is very tough play a good tournament here after win Toronto, no?

Q. In Beijing you'll stay in a hotel or in the Village?

RAFAEL NADAL: Village.


Q. Will Cincinnati always be special to you because you earned the No. 1 ranking here?

RAFAEL NADAL: Maybe.

Q. How does the Olympics compare to other tournaments like a Grand Slam or something? How is it different and how do you appreciate it?

RAFAEL NADAL: The difference I don't know, because last time when I played Olympics I only spend one day there.
So right now maybe after Grand Slam this year is the most important tournament, no?

Clydey
08-03-2008, 12:36 PM
Q. How do you feel being the first to beat the new No. 1?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, nobody is unbeatable, obviously, but the way he was playing we all thought that he's not going to lose any time soon.
But, you know, I just tried not to think about his winning streak and his new ranking spot. Not official still.
But, you know, I tried just to focus on my game. I won against him three times before on this surface, and I know what it takes to win against him on hard courts. I got the best out of it in last couple of matches we played in this surface.
I knew that I have to step in and be aggressive and take the chances that have been given me, so that what's did.

Q. I'm sure it wasn't easy in the first set, but it seemed like you knew exactly what you wanted to do and your shots was hitting the lines.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, was probably caught a little bit surprise. You know, he didn't expect such a fast start from my side. That was my intention, you know, just try to step in and go for the shots.
I didn't want to be in the long rallies with him, because that's how he wins the points. He's physically a very well-prepared player. As soon as you get to the longer rallies with him he gets the momentum going and he gets the rhythm, and so it could go either way in the second set.
He had a breakpoint. It was a pretty long rally and I managed to stay in it.

Q. Does it give you the feeling that maybe now you're going to start to get back to somewhere near your best?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I think tonight I was, if not my best, then very, very near my best. I mean, I was playing great tennis and everything that I imagined to do against Rafa. So hopefully I can, you know, be as consistent as today again tomorrow.

Q. First of all, was the first set too easy in light of did you expect him to play better in the second set? I mean, it looked like two different matches.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, well, after such an easy first set result-wise, obviously a player like Nadal comes back and tries something else. I knew that, so I just tried to stay with him and hold my service games comfortably.
It's a fast surface, so it was really not easy to return here. He was struggling with my serves. When I needed to serve out well I did, so that was quite important.

Q. Do you think you had the edge physically? Do you think he was maybe more tired than you were today?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I don't know. Maybe. He's going to tell you better if he's tired or not. But as I said, I was trying to focus on myself, not on him, and just play what I imagined to play.

Q. Seems like to stay with you on this surface he has to play a little bit outside of his comfort level. Is that gives you confidence, or do you feel that out there?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, if you say so, that he has to get out of his comfort zone. But I think he's obviously one the best players on this surface still. He's been proving that this year playing finals of Miami, semis of Australian Open, Indian Wells, and won Toronto and here semis again.
He's been very consist. He was losing most of the matches on this surface, but yet again, he was always in the final stages of the tournaments.
He's a player that you really have to play your best to win against. That's it. And I did my best tonight and I won.

Q. What do you have to do tomorrow against Andy Murray to win the title?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Just have to play the way I played tonight and the way I play always on hard courts. I made a mistake last time I played with him in Toronto. I was letting go of my chances and he was in the control of the match more. He was going for the shots. He was playing wisely, you know, and obviously he learned something from our past matches.
So I know what I did wrong. Hopefully I can turn it in a positive matter for me tomorrow.

Q. In the first set you earned 25 points; Rafa only 11. Have you ever played better tennis against him?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I don't know. I mean, really, I played in Indian Wells this year I think if not equally then very, very close performance as well as this one in Indian Wells and Miami as well last year.
So obviously the best tennis and the most chances I have against him is on this surface, so this is what gives me a lot of confidence.

Q. You've said that hard courts are your favorite surface. After Wimbledon and last week in Toronto, even the beginning of the week here, how big that was win for your confidence?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I was slowly, slowly getting the momentum. I was saying after each match that I was feeling better and better, so I can confirm that even now. My form is rising and I feel that I'm on my best now.
I just need to try to keep that and keep that going even for tomorrow's final.

Q. What has been the secret about achieving that? Just getting better rested or getting better in the mental shape?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: All combined. Everything is combined. This is individual sport, and it requires a lot of time on the court and off the court as well. A lot of dedication physically and mentally.
But, you know, I have all the strokes I need, and I know that I'm more or less complete player. It's just a matter of mental, you know, ability and confidence. If I feel good in that moment.
So now I feel great, and hopefully I can feel that as well tomorrow.

scoobs
08-03-2008, 12:46 PM
1. Rafa is always WAY too far back, suits to him, this is not excuse.

2. Nole frustrated (increasingly) serve > realization 2nd - 77%.

3. I honestly have a doubts that 'for a period it looked like Rafa might to take 2nd' coz he'was better? I even think that the biggest Rafa fans don't allowed themselves to think (hope yes) he can do anything more last night.

4. Anyone else tired of exuses? Rafa lost but Rafa is the best. Nothing scary or for excusing. I am glad he's a human after all.
That was a match analysis, not an excuse list - I merely point out what I saw, not making any justification for Rafa's loss at all - he was not the better player and deserved to lose the match, as I said at the end of my analysis.

Djokovic got the tactics and execution much better, end of story.

JolánGagó
08-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Lots of people in this forum need really badly to have a look at the dictionary: *excuse* and *explanation* are very different things.

Castafiore
08-03-2008, 12:53 PM
Nice pressers from both men. You can see that Novak is gaining experience in dealing with the media.


1. Rafa is always WAY too far back, suits to him, this is not excuse.
Rafa is not always way too far back. :shrug: Too many people fall back on clichés about players and most of the time, it's not as black and white.

He was during most of this match and that's to a very large degree due to the Novak's game style and tactics in this match. Novak got it right. Like Scoobs said: end of story.

PiggyGotRoasted
08-03-2008, 01:08 PM
Piggy got roasted

platinum
08-03-2008, 01:33 PM
RAFAEL NADAL:

Probably he's a little bit more fresh than the others because, well, he lost in Wimbledon in second round, so he has one month for prepare this hard season. One month preparing is easier. Probably he's in better condition than the rest right now, no?



No shit, Sherlock. Duh! :wavey:

star
08-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Nice pressers from both men. You can see that Novak is gaining experience in dealing with the media.



Rafa is not always way too far back. :shrug: Too many people fall back on clichés about players and most of the time, it's not as black and white.

He was during most of this match and that's to a very large degree due to the Novak's game style and tactics in this match. Novak got it right. Like Scoobs said: end of story.

Yes, as a fan of both of them, I saw Nadal attempting to stay on the baseline, and sometimes he did stay near it, but Djokovic pushed Nadal back where he didn't want to be. Djokovic came out on fire and never allowed Nadal to settle into the match in the beginning. Djokovic was impressive from every standpoint.

Manon
08-03-2008, 01:35 PM
Rafa is not always way too far back. :shrug: Too many people fall back on clichés about players and most of the time, it's not as black and white.

He was during most of this match and that's to a very large degree due to the Novak's game style and tactics in this match. Novak got it right. Like Scoobs said: end of story.

Rafa is always way beyond basline on every surface. Suits his game and he proved that. What wrong with that? He is the best player, no question.

Second - analysis? Ok. I have my opinion about this analysis. End of story.

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 01:40 PM
Yes, as a fan of both of them, I saw Nadal attempting to stay on the baseline, and sometimes he did stay near it, but Djokovic pushed Nadal back where he didn't want to be. Djokovic came out on fire and never allowed Nadal to settle into the match in the beginning. Djokovic was impressive from every standpoint.

Exactly. It wasn't like Rafa thought, "okay, let's stay way behind the baseline this time, as I enjoy staying there..." - Djoko FORCED him to stay back, and that's the proper tactic to be able beat him. The only problem for Rafa's opponents is, that not many will managed to do so if he's playing his top level game. Yesterday, Rafa obviously couldn't perform at his best, and Djoko took advantage of that.

Rafa is always way beyond basline on every surface. Suits his game and he proved that. What wrong with that? He is the best player, no question.

Have to disagree with you here. Rafa has made very serious improvements on both his grass and HC game, and one of those is that he indeed doesn't stay as far back as he used to - unless his opponent manages to force him to stay there, and that's exactly what Djoko did.

PiggyGotRoasted
08-03-2008, 01:49 PM
Djokovic could end ye #1 if he wins against murray, wins the olympics, the us open and the tmc which i wouldnt put past him.

star
08-03-2008, 02:03 PM
Rafa is always way beyond basline on every surface. Suits his game and he proved that. What wrong with that? He is the best player, no question.

Second - analysis? Ok. I have my opinion about this analysis. End of story.

But really, what she is doing and what I am doing is giving credit to Djokovic for playing a game that didn't allow Nadal to play as he knew he should play.

In hardcourt, and well, just about every surface, a player wants to push his opponent back and be able to step into the court more and more. Djokovic achieved that to a very high degree. It's giving Djokovic credit, not making an excuse for Nadal. At least that's the way I see it.

Djokovic stepped on that court EN FUEGO! He played great. In his interview he said if not his best it was very nearly his best. Nadal made adjustments in the second, but Djokovic held his nerve when he needed to and managed to put Nadal under enough pressure to break him.

When two great players push each other like this, it only makes things better for the fans. :)

scoobs
08-03-2008, 02:04 PM
Exactly. It wasn't like Rafa thought, "okay, let's stay way behind the baseline this time, as I enjoy staying there..." - Djoko FORCED him to stay back, and that's the proper tactic to be able beat him. The only problem for Rafa's opponents is, that not many will managed to do so if he's playing his top level game. Yesterday, Rafa obviously couldn't perform at his best, and Djoko took advantage of that.


Some of the time, undoubtedly, Rafa was pushed back by the depth off the Djokovic shots, but also sometimes he seemed to be backing up just to give himself more time even when the shot coming wasn't that deep - and this exposed the short angles with Djokovic exploited on the backhand.

Part of Rafa's problem was also that, even from in a fairly neutral position in the rally, he was dropping a lot of his shots too short and allowing Djokovic to attack, get good depth himself, and therefore force Nadal backwards. We saw in the second set in some good rallies that when Nadal kept better length on his shots, Djokovic wasn't as able to push Rafa backwards, and the rallies were more evenly contested as a result.

The two factors - Nadal's court position and the depth of his shots are interconnected and affect each other with a guy like Djokovic who will take the ball on and seize control.

Djokovic also used some brilliant shotmaking at times to grab control of rallies even when Nadal wasn't dropping the ball short, and Djokovic in general demonstrated that on a hardcourt, especially a quicker one, he is more able to use his game to hurt Nadal than Nadal is to hurt Djokovic.

Fact of the matter is, even when Nadal fight on more even terms in the second set, he still lost it 7-5 so Nadal finding ways to keep greater length and keep further up the court is not necessarily going to win him the match anyway - in the end he has no patterns of play that he can use consistently to hurt Djokovic on a day like that, whereas Djokovic can construct rallies in a certain way to expose weaknesses.

zeleni
08-03-2008, 02:08 PM
I am stunned. This is far beyond my expectations. I really didn't believe Nole can perform this good these days.

Sunset of Age
08-03-2008, 02:10 PM
^^ Thanks Scoobs, excellent analysis, as usual.

Fact of the matter is, even when Nadal fight on more even terms in the second set, he still lost it 7-5 so Nadal finding ways to keep greater length and keep further up the court is not necessarily going to win him the match anyway - in the end he has no patterns of play that he can use consistently to hurt Djokovic on a day like that, whereas Djokovic can construct rallies in a certain way to expose weaknesses.

You are probably right, but I still think that Rafa not being at his best (I well accept the 'tired' excuse, here) has had a lot to do with his defeat as well.

Well, bring on the Olympics and the USO now...

star
08-03-2008, 02:17 PM
I would like to think that Nadal can play better on hardcourt and that he had a bit of a let down, but really he's the only one who knows.

What has impressed me about Nadal is his patience and willingness to absorb defeats to learn and improve. He lost to one of the very best players in the world.

I'm anxious to see Djokovic play Murray today. Djokovic says he knows what he did wrong, and now we will see what he can do about it.

Very exciting times in tennis right now.

platinum
08-03-2008, 02:18 PM
What a marvelous run Nadal has had. 32 straight matches in a row and the streak covers three surfaces. Truly remarkable. I wonder if one of our great stat people will tell us when is the last time that happened?
I wonder if Nole can ever achieve this? :confused:


Djokovic could end ye #1 if he wins against murray, wins the olympics, the us open and the tmc which i wouldnt put past him.

Has Nole ever won back to back tournaments?

Langers
08-03-2008, 02:51 PM
Djokovic is clearly the worlds best hard court player.

Rafa...he still has a ways to go IMO (on hard courts...). He is dominated too often and easily in the rallies, and his return of serve needs to improve.

zqloy
08-03-2008, 03:10 PM
Tsonga has been out for months because of knee problems (think he's had surgery). Anything else, you stupid woman?

Of course i know, u stupid MF! He's still an overrated headcase anyway :haha:

PiggyGotRoasted
08-03-2008, 03:12 PM
I wonder if Nole can ever achieve this? :confused:




Has Nole ever won back to back tournaments?

No, but there is a first time for everything.