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Are we about to return to the volatile 90s at the Top?

Stensland
08-01-2008, 03:50 AM
now that rafa is probably going to take the number 1 spot some time during the coming months (maybe this sunday...?) an era is about to come to an end. roger has ruled the tennis world for ages while the rest needed time to catch up - well, rafa has done his job well so far.

but is he gonna be another "king" like roger, ruling the circuit for years to come or do you think we're finally going to see some fluctuations again, like in the 90s where we experienced lots of ups and down at the top of the rankings?

as i said before i just don't believe that nadal can keep playing like this forever, so yeah, i do think roger's decline will eventually lead to quite some "variation" at the top. they're all human now.

what do you think? will rafa rule the same way roger did? what about djokovic or murray? what about roger upping the ante once more?

rafa_maniac
08-01-2008, 03:52 AM
I think Rafa will keep the top ranking until the Grass season next year, he hasn't got a title to defend until Monte Carlo, and I can't see him struggling on clay anytime soon. After that, yes, I think the top spot may change hands a bit between him and Djokovic.

Johnny Groove
08-01-2008, 03:53 AM
I can see Nadal staying as a semi-dominant #1

He'll be #1 and everyone will know he is, but he wont be nearly as dominant as Roger and will lose from time to time. But on whatever surface, against whoever, he will be the favorite.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 03:57 AM
i might be going out on a limb here but i think he's going to go into quite a slump next year. unless he does drugs.

no man can keep up this kind of pace, no man can survive this sort of recklessness against his own body for two consecutive years without additional help from "other sources. period.

the year-end number 1 2009 will be djokovic.

JolánGagó
08-01-2008, 03:58 AM
Nadal will keep N.1 until at least next year HC season, then we'll see what happens.

Lillith
08-01-2008, 03:59 AM
I think a lot depends on the way Nadal and Federer play over the next few months. If Nadal fails to capitalize and improve at the USO, the indoor season and has a MC like last year, then the #1 could be up for grabs. Also, if Federer actually finds any real form, does well at the Olympics, wins USO, plays some optionals this fall and takes the MC again, then he'd possibly be #1 again by the end of the year (a la Sampras).

I don't think anyone else really influences this, though, I think it all depends on the play of those two men. I guess it's possible, but I can't really see Djokovic making it to #1 this year, and no one else could mathematically.

Johnny Groove
08-01-2008, 04:00 AM
i might be going out on a limb here but i think he's going to go into quite a slump next year. unless he does drugs.

no man can keep up this kind of pace, no man can survive this sort of recklessness against his own body for two consecutive years without additional help from "other sources. period.

the year-end number 1 2009 will be djokovic.

Of course, Nadal cant possibly keep this up without 'roids :rolleyes:

And you think the Faker will be #1? :lol:

leng jai
08-01-2008, 04:02 AM
Well now that you've mentioned roids...

Lillith
08-01-2008, 04:05 AM
i might be going out on a limb here but i think he's going to go into quite a slump next year. unless he does drugs.

no man can keep up this kind of pace, no man can survive this sort of recklessness against his own body for two consecutive years without additional help from "other sources. period.

the year-end number 1 2009 will be djokovic.

Yet Federer kept up that kind of pace for over 4 years. Did he do drugs?

Federer is my favorite player, and has even surpassed by all time fave of Edberg of late. But to argue that Nadal must be doing drugs in order to sustain his game is just silly. Yes, I understand that Nadal's game is tougher on his body than Federer's, and that will probably hurt in the long run. But for now, Nadal is young and relatively healthy and could have that same kind of 2 or 3 year run. The difference being that I will still be surprised if he can fully compete for the USO and AO, but I think he'll be a contender at the French and Wimbledon for a while.

In the end, I think the 2 will probably retire fairly close together, just because in the long run Nadal's body will *probably* break down first. Even then, one never knows.

Clara Bow
08-01-2008, 04:06 AM
I think we will return to a time where there is more shifting in the number one spots.

I am not saying Rafa will lose the spot in a week, but I could see Roger gaining it back at the end of the year, Rafa getting it back if he is able to do well again in clay or get a spring hard court Masters, Nole getting it at some point, etc. Rafa is less consistent on hard courts than he is on clay- and I see that continuing during his career. I could see him getting say to the finals of the Aussie Open- but I can't see him winning AO, IW and Miami the way Roger has done. I do think Rafa is a better hard court player than some give him credit for, but I do think it will remain the court where he will be most vulnerable.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:08 AM
Of course, Nadal cant possibly keep this up without 'roids :rolleyes:


two years in a row with this intensity, this playing style and this schedule?

no. i don't believe that is possible for a regular body, sorry. nadal is a bubble these days and will burst someday just like the real estate bubble. here's hoping he'll burst in a sort of natural way and doesn't hurt the tour's image lateron...because as you know, bursting bubbles lots of times implicate criminal activities.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:11 AM
Yet Federer kept up that kind of pace for over 4 years. Did he do drugs?


you do realise the difference between fed's game and nadal's game, right?

even hewitt couldn't keep up his no.1-level for 3-4 years (and don't you tell me he lacks will power) yet nadal is supposed to do this for years to come (and has been doing it for the last 3 years already)? give me a break.

jcempire
08-01-2008, 04:12 AM
Obviously, Nadal already got No 1 Ranking after Federer before QF which He got only 75 points.

Nadal doesn't need any win to get to No 1 spot now

But the question, How long will he stay at No 1.

I guess at least one year from today.

Djok and rest of young telants as Murray may getting close next year or two, but Nadal would possibly stay at No 1 even not lot of points away from No 2 Djok and maybe no 3 Murray

Clara Bow
08-01-2008, 04:12 AM
two years in a row with this intensity, this playing style and this schedule?

no. i don't believe that is possible for a regular body, sorry. nadal is a bubble these days and will burst someday just like the real estate bubble. here's hoping he'll burst in a sort of natural way and doesn't hurt the tour's image lateron...because as you know, bursting bubbles lots of times implicate criminal activities.
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yet nadal is supposed to do this for years to come (and has been doing it for the last 3 years already)?

You are acting like he has already done it for two years in a row. Weren't folks in March saying he was washed up? Why start bashing and insinuating now...oh wait- it is MTF.

You say he has been playing at the same pace for three years in a row...I guess I missed his stellar time at Cincy and the USO last year. Silly me. And that great AO in 2006 within this span of three years that you are talking about....oh wait, he had a foot injury.

So are you saying if he doesn't keep winning he is on drugs or if he does keep winning he is on drugs. You are kind of contradicting yourself here. Was this thread just a chance for you to start with the Rafa must be on roids bashing?

As I said in my earlier post- I feel that he will be more streaky in hard court. But it should be noted that this year he won easier on clay than normal, so he is not as burnt out as he might normally be.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:15 AM
i'm saying that i'm afraid he has been on drugs for some time.

and i'm saying i'm sure that he is on drugs if he keeps the current level for another year.

btw i'm not a rafa hater at all. sorry that i post what i believe. am i a bad human being now? i could just lie and come up with tons of happy smilies, that'd be easier for sure.

JolánGagó
08-01-2008, 04:15 AM
two years in a row with this intensity, this playing style and this schedule?

no. i don't believe that is possible for a regular body, sorry. nadal is a bubble these days and will burst someday just like the real estate bubble. here's hoping he'll burst in a sort of natural way and doesn't hurt the tour's image lateron...because as you know, bursting bubbles lots of times implicate criminal activities.

Utter idiocy would be a gross understatement :rolleyes:

habibko
08-01-2008, 04:17 AM
this topic has been extensively discussed here

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=127681

and no Nadal can't rule for 4 years like Federer did, Fed might as well take the #1 soon and continue his dominance, time will tell.

of course rafa needs to take the #1 first, no?

groundstroke
08-01-2008, 04:20 AM
Nadal won't stay number 1 for more than 2 years.

Clara Bow
08-01-2008, 04:22 AM
i'm saying that i'm afraid he has been on drugs for some time.

and i'm saying i'm sure that he is on drugs if he keeps the current level for another year.

btw i'm not a rafa hater at all. sorry that i post what i believe. am i a bad human being now? i could just lie and come up with tons of happy smilies, that'd be easier for sure.

But you are implying that he has been playing at the same level non-stop for three years. He hasn't. He has had bad months- and - as I stated- I think he will be streaky. I also think that he will not last that long in his prime of his career as players who don't run around as much. But just because he has a physical game- I don't think that means he is on roids as you seem to. I mean-he comes from a physical family- or are you saying that Miguel Angel was on drugs too?


Feel free to post what you believe, I just do not agree with you. I will be sneered at as a Rafa-fan for daring to think that he is not on roids, but whathaveyou. I am just wondering though if the main reason for this thread was just to start the Rafa on roids bashing....

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:27 AM
I am just wondering though if the main reason for this thread was just to start the Rafa on roids bashing....

..nono, guess i just got distracted a bit. ;)

the main reason was that i checked the 90s list of number 1s on wikipedie and found it striking that we've had lots of different number 1s within a decade - while the only time where we've had some sort of major fluctuation in the new century was prior to 2003, while basically even the frist years don't really count as lleyton has had his prime during those years.

i think we're about to enter a time where tennis could actually experiece new growth. many people i know were bored by roger's reign and might be more interested once there won't be a clear favourite for slams anymore.

Clara Bow
08-01-2008, 04:30 AM
i think we're about to enter a time where tennis could actually experiece new growth. many people i know were bored by roger's reign and might be more interested once there won't be a clear favourite for slams anymore.

I do agree with you there as I said when I initially tried to answer your question. I do hope that there may not be clear favorites all the time but it wasn't like right before Roger came onto the scene were it was all parity and there were no real favorites and it was a new winner all the time.

I the trading of titles between a top select few with an occasional surprise (Goran at the 2001 Wimbledon, etc.)

FairWeatherFan
08-01-2008, 04:35 AM
I have a feeling that Djokovic will be out of the top 5 after 2009 AO.

Nadal will be number 1 for max 8 months. Federer will grab the number 1 intermittently but not hold it as dominantly as he once did.

I think we will see some of the youngsters - in particular, Murray, Gasquet (if he becomes more mentally strong) and Cilic - challenge for the number 1 title within the next couple of years.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:37 AM
I have a feeling that Djokovic will be out of the top 5 after 2009 AO.


say what? :confused:

although i don't think he'll defend his title down under there's hardly anyone who can keep him from staying in the top 3, to be honest. who would take his spot in your opinion? davydenko? roddick?...

Clara Bow
08-01-2008, 04:38 AM
I have a feeling that Djokovic will be out of the top 5 after 2009 AO.

I am curious, why do you feel this way?

I could see Gulbis being a big factor in two years. I still don't have that much hope for Gasquet- it seems like we keep waiting for things to click. I think that now Murray has found some aggression, things are finally beginning to line up in place for him.

Merton
08-01-2008, 04:38 AM
Rrrainer, no need to go to hypotheticals about your beliefs, I don't believe Nadal can keep the current pace for the entire calendar year. In fact, I think the smart thing to do is to call it a season after the DC semifinal and only play at the TMC and the DC final. Yes, that would be the smart thing to do regardless of ranking considerations.

Having said that, it might not be necessary to hold such a season to attain the #1 ranking. Dominating the clay court season and having the normal (for him) rest of the year might be enough to have the #1 ranking. In fact, it would be enough for most seasons, apart Sampras 94 & 97 and Federer 2004-2007. Too soon to tell at this point whether Djokovic or Federer himself will post a better season overall in 2009.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:44 AM
Dominating the clay court season and having the normal (for him) rest of the year might be enough to have the #1 ranking. In fact, it would be enough for most seasons, apart Sampras 94 & 97 and Federer 2004-2007.

hmmm...yeah that makes a lot of sense.

but anyways, the thing is that i believe djokovic's all-court game will prevail.

FairWeatherFan
08-01-2008, 04:44 AM
I am curious, why do you feel this way?

Quite simply I don't see Djokovic defending his US Open Final or his AO win. I have reservations about his mental strength. At Wimbledon he cracked under the pressure, and I think he will do so again.

although i don't think he'll defend his title down under there's hardly anyone who can keep him from staying in the top 3, to be honest. who would take his spot in your opinion? davydenko?

Yes, I think Davydenko will take his spot in the interim.

I expect Murray to be in the top 5 instead of Djokovic soon.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:47 AM
I am curious, why do you feel this way?

I could see Gulbis being a big factor in two years. I still don't have that much hope for Gasquet- it seems like we keep waiting for things to click. I think that now Murray has found some aggression, things are finally beginning to line up in place for him.

a french user was talking about gasquet's new coach yesterday and said that he implicitly talked about working on richie's mental state WAY more than his actual game. it's guillaume peyre, the one who used to coach baghdatis.

on the other hand, baggy has recently become a headcase as well, so i'm not sure if he's the right guy for this job.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 04:51 AM
Quite simply I don't see Djokovic defending his US Open Final or his AO win. I have reservations about his mental strength. At Wimbledon he cracked under the pressure, and I think he will do so again.

:lol:...right, djokovic the mental midget. :rolleyes:

seriously, djokovic is one of the best when it comes to mental warfare. the only thing that prevents him from achieving his goals from time to time is his lack of focus in the early rounds. he gets a bit ahead of himself and underestimates anderson and the likes, thinking he just needs 70% of his skills to take them out. i think he learned his lesson this year though and will be more consistent in the years to come.

being taken out by safin isn't that much of a downturn anyways. marat is still able to pull off major upsets when he's "in the zone".

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:02 AM
I love how everyone on here argues that Nadal can't keep this up because of his brutal and grinding game type. But seriously, have you watched ANY of his matches in the past what, 2 months?

He's steamrolling anyone that plays him, not grinding points out. Friggin' Serra won 20 points. There's no real point in posting this though since I'll get a 5 paragraph response about doping, mug era, blah blah blah.

And Cilic as a #1? On what planet are you living?

TMJordan
08-01-2008, 05:03 AM
Bring back Rafter and we can watch some real tennis.

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:06 AM
Hell yea. According to some other thread on MTF Rafter was actually a better player than Federer.

rofe
08-01-2008, 05:28 AM
Nadal has retooled his game to be more aggressive and he is now able to put less stress on his body by getting cheap points from his improved serve. He has done the right things for the assault on the #1 position and it has paid off since he will be #1 by the start of the USO. In theory, Nadal needs to have a decent HC performance and an excellent clay and grass season to hold on to the #1 spot since Roger will not repeat his 2004-2007 years and Novak seems to be susceptible to the weight of expectations. Nobody else is even close to getting to the #1 spot.

He may very well go on a Fed like run but I see three potential issues (in no particular order):

1) Roger Federer. His 2008 year is in shambles but no one can predict his 2009 tennis year.
2) Novak Djokovic. He may adjust to expectations, improve his physical fitness and do a serious assault on the #1 position in the near future. Novak is better on HC, has no technical weaknesses on clay and should be able to play on grass more consistently.
2) The desire to keep the #1 position. Everyone will now be gunning to beat Nadal. Nadal will have a lot more expectations from his fans and the media. He will be the favorite in all the tournaments he plays in. He will not be able to improve his game as much as he would like to since he will be under tremendous pressure to keep his #1 position.

At this point in time, my feeling is that he will be #1 for the rest of the year but will lose it sometime next year.

Johnny Groove
08-01-2008, 05:32 AM
hmmm...yeah that makes a lot of sense.

but anyways, the thing is that i believe djokovic's all-court game will prevail.

I find it funny how people think that Djokovic has an all-court game while Nadal is the one with titles on grass, clay, and hard

TMJordan
08-01-2008, 05:35 AM
No doubt in my mind if Brad Gilbert played in the current era he would be number 1 and smash all the record books.


Fear the Bradster.

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00003/gilbert_3965t.jpg

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:35 AM
All of Nadal's titles have come on clay, whether it be red, green, or blue.

Djokovic is a true all court master, having won titles on both hard court and the clay at Rome.

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:36 AM
No doubt in my mind if Brad Gilbert played in the current era he would be number 1 and smash all the record books.


Fear the Bradster.

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00003/gilbert_3965t.jpg

Brad Gilbert would junk ball this generation of mugs to death. He'd have 16-20 slams with ease.

Johnny Groove
08-01-2008, 05:37 AM
All of Nadal's titles have come on clay, whether it be red, green, or blue.

Djokovic is a true all court master, having won titles on both hard court and the clay at Rome.

Of course. How could i forget. Rome, where he played a bunch of tough opponents. Add in his 2nd round Wimbledon loss, 3 straight losses to Nadal and that MC SF puss-out and you've got a bona fide #1 :yeah:

TMJordan
08-01-2008, 05:37 AM
Brad Gilbert would junk ball this generation of mugs to death. He'd have 16-20 slams with ease.

Simply the best - Brad Giibert.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 05:43 AM
I find it funny how people think that Djokovic has an all-court game while Nadal is the one with titles on grass, clay, and hard

i'm not saying rafa doesn't have the weapons. it's just the he's relying too much on his most important asset (movement) - which normally is the first thing that fades.

this is his peak. this summer will be his absolute peak, mark my words.

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:43 AM
Of course. How could i forget. Rome, where he played a bunch of tough opponents. Add in his 2nd round Wimbledon loss, 3 straight losses to Nadal and that MC SF puss-out and you've got a bona fide #1 :yeah:

Exactly. He was able to battle through a fearsome draw at Rome, unlike Nadal, who threw in the towel in the 2nd round rather than face the challenge. At Wimbledon Djokovic wanted the fans to be entertained, so in his benevolence he tanked the match to Safin so that people at home would have an underdog to root for. Djokovic knows that the title is his for the taking whenver he wants it, so he can wait a year.

He also tanked all those matches to Nadal. Djokovic already has Nadal's number on all surfaces, he just wants to build Nadal up to the public and let him get #1, so that when Djokovic decides to start crushing him it looks more impressive.

He retired at MC because he was simply bored, Federer did not pose enough of a challenge to entertain him and he had things he'd rather be doing.

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:46 AM
i'm not saying rafa doesn't have the weapons. it's just the he's relying too much on his most important asset (movement) - which normally is the first thing that fades.

this is his peak. this summer will be his absolute peak, mark my words.

Absolutely, I'd go so far as too say Nadal is already in decline. This run may last until near the end of the year, but from there on I expect him to win at BEST 1 small title a year from then on out. He will probably finish outside the top 20 next year.

Stensland
08-01-2008, 05:48 AM
get out of this thread. thank you.

Mimi
08-01-2008, 05:50 AM
why are the grapes so sour today? :lol:

Most likely NaDULL is on heavy drugs... I'm talking serious juicer.

JimmyV
08-01-2008, 05:51 AM
Why, I'm agreeing with you. It's obvious that he's going to go from #1 and his best season ever into total decline. I mean people said this every year for the past 3 years, but THIS year it's going to happen. I know it.

Mimi
08-01-2008, 05:51 AM
:worship:
I find it funny how people think that Djokovic has an all-court game while Nadal is the one with titles on grass, clay, and hard

prima donna
08-01-2008, 06:10 AM
i'm not saying rafa doesn't have the weapons. it's just the he's relying too much on his most important asset (movement) - which normally is the first thing that fades.

this is his peak. this summer will be his absolute peak, mark my words.
Time shall tell, but history tells us that players like Nadal tend to encounter difficulty in terms of dominating over an extended period of time.

I'm willing to make an even more bold prediction: Nadal's last slam will come next year at Roland Garros, what people fail to understand is that he's at the pinnacle of his career and he can't get much better than this, his body is bound to gradually begin the process of deterioration, which in his case could be a serious detriment to any future aspirations on a tennis court.

There will come a time when he'll burn out and find himself in the same boat as Gustavo Kuerten due to the physically demanding nature of his game, the only question will be whether he'll decide to go on a farewell tour.

As for the original topic at hand, I'd be rather hesitant to suggest that the level of competition has drastically improved, if anything players have come into their own and familiarized themselves with each other, which has provided for more entertaining and competitive matches, yet with the exception of Murray and Djokovic, there really is no significant talent of which to speak -- Gulbis is most likely just a flash in the pan, I could see him being known for spanking Roger near the end of his career in front of a packed crowd in Arthur Ashe Stadium, but never winning Grand Slams or maintaining any sort of longevity.

Tennis at its highest level is a marathon, not a sprint, so players that are able to find an equilibrium consisting of discipline, patience and psychological balance are more likely to be successful, if we look at many of the players that have been making noise as of late, we'll notice that many of them were mere casualties for Nadal and Federer en route to their respective Grand Slam titles at one point or another.

With Nadal at his absolute peak and Roger in an awful slump, there seems to be more parity amongst players competing at a relatively mediocre level, take Andy Roddick for example that is an even better player than he was several years ago, yet there was always something particularly mediocre about his game, one always got the feeling that if he were to encounter an actual tennis player with a decent return that he'd be in for major trouble, now he's going up against players like Tipsarevic and suffering humiliation, which in my opinion is indicative of some immeasurable level of mediocrity inherent in the opposition that allowed him to waltz into Grand Slam finals.

Moreover, it's natural that players with superior groundstrokes like Djokovic apply their incredible stability to outwit the likes of Roddick or even Federer that seems to lavish the idea of parking himself on the baseline rather than attacking the net.

To conclude, it's really quite difficult to compare this disaster that we have before us to the glory days of the 90s.

JolánGagó
08-01-2008, 07:06 AM
Absolutely, I'd go so far as too say Nadal is already in decline.

:lol::lol::lol:

Funniest line ever in MTF, and that's something.

rafa the best
08-01-2008, 09:15 AM
:eek:I love how everyone on here argues that Nadal can't keep this up because of his brutal and grinding game type. But seriously, have you watched ANY of his matches in the past what, 2 months?

He's steamrolling anyone that plays him, not grinding points out. Friggin' Serra won 20 points. There's no real point in posting this though since I'll get a 5 paragraph response about doping, mug era, blah blah blah.

And Cilic as a #1? On what planet are you living?

Finally some sense here. The poster who opened this thread did that only to talk about his ''roids crap'' and spread his lies. :mad::mad::mad::o

Murray,Cilic and Gasquet for No1:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Rafa will keep it for some time but when he fails to defend all of the points from 2008 Roger will be back. Then they will trade places often for some time and after that who knows....

finishingmove
08-01-2008, 10:23 AM
I find it funny how people think that Djokovic has an all-court game while Nadal is the one with titles on grass, clay, and hard

great logic there, so nadal was a hardcourt expert since 2005, and gasquet is an all surface threat with his MM titles, never in doubt.

Xman
08-01-2008, 10:58 AM
Absolutely, I'd go so far as too say Nadal is already in decline. This run may last until near the end of the year, but from there on I expect him to win at BEST 1 small title a year from then on out. He will probably finish outside the top 20 next year.

Finally, someone is making sense. Have anyone actually seen his matches this year.

In the french he didnt even have to sweat, and people were complaining how everybody was bending for him. Same with Wimbledon, except the final, which had two rain delays.

Sure if he played in the way he used to, I would agree with everyone, but its been total domination this year! :worship:

opeth84
08-01-2008, 12:03 PM
This thread :worship:

Bold predictions. Top players accused of doping :eek:

I personally believe we are in a great era of tennis it's the forum thats going through a "mug era".

PiggyGotRoasted
08-01-2008, 12:11 PM
Nadal wont hold on to the number 1 spot, his luck will end soon. Even if he keeps having luck like he has then it is sure to end around next year on the clay and that is when he has most points to defend. Year end #4 for 09 imo, After Djokovic who will finally get some consistant results together, Murray and Davydenko who will both have excellent years. Federer will slip still to just inside the top 8, much like roddick before him but still be a contender for the slams.

ChinoRios4Ever
08-01-2008, 09:33 PM
Tennis in the 90's and start of the 2000's :worship:

cool bird1
08-02-2008, 01:02 AM
I dont know. Roger Federer was the total master at peaking. I mean he won MS and a few slams just sleep walking his way to the title. He did not put in all the effort that he could have. Good or bad I feel that allowed him to stay at the top for that long. The longest run as world number 1 by any player.
Nadal plays every point so hard every match he plays like a slam final he wants to win every single point he plays. I love seeing that but he spends a lot of time on court even with his stright sets wins.

I do think that at some point Nadal body will start to let him down.

TMJordan
08-02-2008, 02:37 AM
Gilbert > Nadal

GlennMirnyi
08-02-2008, 02:39 AM
I love how everyone on here argues that Nadal can't keep this up because of his brutal and grinding game type. But seriously, have you watched ANY of his matches in the past what, 2 months?

He's steamrolling anyone that plays him, not grinding points out. Friggin' Serra won 20 points. There's no real point in posting this though since I'll get a 5 paragraph response about doping, mug era, blah blah blah.

And Cilic as a #1? On what planet are you living?

Steamrolling? Are you watching matches drunk again? :rolleyes:

Stensland
08-02-2008, 02:42 AM
i find it weird how people ignore djokovic these days just because he's not displaying the sort of hc form we were expecting earlier in the year. it's not like he's in a slump, guys, he should still be on the radar. yet i get the feeling that the ones who think he is going to be a contender next year seem somehow outnumbered by the ones who reckon he's already done... :o

watch him take out nadal tomorrow and see how his shares will skyrocket again. :)

ClaudiuS
08-02-2008, 02:56 AM
Tennis in the 90's and start of the 2000's :worship:

Some years around the second half of the 90s were great (1996-1999 specially). A lot variation of winners in the Super 9 Mercedes Benz Tournaments :worship:
You can see names like: Ferreira, Agassi, Carretero, Enqvist, Becker, Krajicek, Sampras, Rios, Korda, Medvedev, Rafter, Rusedski, Kuerten, Moya, Johansson, Costa, Woodruff, Corretja, Chang, Muster. that's 20 different winners, and then you compare to 2005-2008 era, with Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Berdych, Davydenko, Robredo and Nalbandian. :p only 7.

Smoke944
08-02-2008, 02:57 AM
Gilbert > Nadal

There's no doubt.

JimmyV
08-02-2008, 03:12 AM
I fully expect Brad Gilbert to get bored of commentating and announce his return to tennis by the end of this year. He should be top 5 by next June, probably with a Wimbledon title.

Stensland
08-03-2008, 04:15 AM
okay, now i'm actually pretty sure djokovic will take over the number 1 spot from nadal. it's just a matter of time.

...and people tried to convince me novak wasn't there mentally. :lol:

Jimnik
08-03-2008, 04:19 AM
I'm sure both Djoker and Muzza will have their turns at #1. It's just a question of when and how long. Most people would doubt the latter but frankly I'm very confident that the former will never dominate the way Federer did.

Nadal has done well but traditionally it's the hard court players that stay at the top for long periods. I don't see Rafa's reign lasting too long, most likely he'll be interchanging with the other two.

Stensland
09-09-2008, 12:43 AM
now that federer has come back and proved every basher wrong about the alleged "transitional champ" thing, i think he'll be quite a contender in 09. plus: murray has beaten djokovic as well as nadal, so we know he has what it takes to challenge no.2 and 3 as of now. not to mention that he's beaten roger before, even though he was facing him when he was a bit down.

i'm fairly sure murray is going to have a great 09 and could be going for the top spot. djokovic, nadal and federer are not going to be taken out without a fight though.

anyways, murray's knocking on the door, that's a fact.