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Does the number 1 spot even matter?

BackhandMissile
07-31-2008, 07:05 PM
Maybe it's just me, but for somebody who's been number one for 4 years, I don't see why Federer should care about a ranking now that he's made his mark in tennis history anyway.

If anything, I would have thought he would be more interested in getting 2 (or 3 to beat the record) more Grand Slams.

In fact, why wouldn't he just stop playing most tournaments and focus on the slams only, with a few practice tournaments beforehand. He would certainly go into them fresher than anyone else.

Of course, if this works out well (and he gets his slams) there's always the option to switch back to the regular calendar.

scarecrows
07-31-2008, 07:09 PM
I say he should concentrate in winning all the exhos against Sampras this year

Jelena
07-31-2008, 07:20 PM
In fact, why wouldn't he just stop playing most tournaments and focus on the slams only, with a few practice tournaments beforehand.
Fed only plays tournaments that count for his breakdown. He MUST play the Grand Slams, the Masters Tournaments and - to get the highest possible amount of points 5 other tournaments. When he is among the 8 best players at the end of the year he also needs to play the TMC. If you have a look at his Ranking Breakdown (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=F324), you see that Roger has no non-countable tournament in it.

Johnny Groove
07-31-2008, 07:22 PM
Of course the #1 ranking doesn't matter now that Nadal is about to take it :rolleyes:

Sebby
07-31-2008, 07:27 PM
He did beat the Connors record of the most consecutive weeks as the number one, so we can be sure he'll never be remembered as a transitory #1 ;)

And for me it's the most important! That's why I agree with you, he should concentrate more on the GS and forget the ranking.

vucina
07-31-2008, 07:29 PM
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg

r2473
07-31-2008, 08:07 PM
Federer should be concentrating on taking the hot dog eating crown from Joey Chestnut.

Corey Feldman
07-31-2008, 08:08 PM
Not when Nadal taints it

MaryX
07-31-2008, 08:14 PM
Ofcourse it matters.And knowing how Nadal fought to stay #2, I just can imagine how hard will it be to take him down from #1 ;) .

Jimnik
07-31-2008, 08:18 PM
Only if you want to be the best in the world.

Henry Kaspar
07-31-2008, 08:21 PM
Certainly it matters for Nadal.

Viken01
07-31-2008, 08:24 PM
yes.

Black Adam
07-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Yes, too bad Fed has tainted it for 4+ years. Ironic that it had to be a Fed tard asking this question considering that Federer is weeks away from losing it :rolleyes:

r2473
07-31-2008, 08:39 PM
Dude, #1 is like so 2007.

The cool people aren't doing that anymore.

BackhandMissile
07-31-2008, 08:39 PM
Relax, I don't know why you're getting so upset. I live in Switzerland, but it doesn't necessarily make me a Federer fan (I happen to be a strong Nadal supporter).

Of course the number 1 spot is important, but for Federer, if you break it down into getting past the 14 mark and retaining the number 1 spot, surely the 14 Grand Slams are more important?

What if Federer only played for the Grand Slams (with a few warm up tournaments, like Halle before Wimbledon)? Wouldn't it put him in a better position to win them?

Richardgm
07-31-2008, 08:46 PM
Dude, #1 is like so 2007.

The cool people aren't doing that anymore.

lol. +1

Jelena
07-31-2008, 08:46 PM
Relax, I don't know why you're getting so upset. I live in Switzerland, but it doesn't necessarily make me a Federer fan (I happen to be a strong Nadal supporter).

Of course the number 1 spot is important, but for Federer, if you break it down into getting past the 14 mark and retaining the number 1 spot, surely the 14 Grand Slams are more important?

What if Federer only played for the Grand Slams (with a few warm up tournaments, like Halle before Wimbledon)? Wouldn't it put him in a better position to win them?
Obviously you didn't read what I posted above. He IS OBLIGED to play the 4 GS, the TMS, the TMC as long as he is in the Top 8 at the end of the year and 5 other tournaments. And how it is visible in the link I linked above he doesn't have non-countable tournaments at all.

BackhandMissile
07-31-2008, 08:56 PM
Thanks Jelena. Sorry, I might have missed your link.

Ok, well maybe this explains why he's getting knocked out so early from the masters tournaments. Maybe he really is planning to only play for Grand Slams now.

RafaTheBest
07-31-2008, 09:03 PM
Does the number 1 spot even matter...

...the distraught Fed fan asked.

Damn
07-31-2008, 09:18 PM
Of course the #1 ranking doesn't matter now that Nadal is about to take it :rolleyes:

Perfect answer for a Fedtard thread.

r2473
07-31-2008, 09:20 PM
Ok, well maybe this explains why he's getting knocked out so early from the masters tournaments. Maybe he really is planning to only play for Grand Slams now.

You guys know who BackhandMissle really is don't you?.......Roger Federer himself.

Think about it. Fed wins The US Open in 2007. Then he starts to implement his plan of only playing Slams. Problem is, he is required to play Masters Series events and other such nonsense. No problem. He strategically tanks Madrid and Paris to Nalby. Decides to win TMC (just to prove he can easily beat the best). Gets hit with Mono during AO (and still makes the semis). Tanks everything else until The French (and makes the finals). Wins Halle (just because it was easier to win it than lose it). Makes the finals of Wimby. Now he back to tanking everything until The US Open again.

And, to let the world know what he is up to, he has decided to post his plan on MTF, under the name "BackhandMissle".

Clever Rog, but I am on to you, you sly boots.

BackhandMissile
07-31-2008, 09:26 PM
You guys know who BackhandMissle really is don't you?.......Roger Federer himself.

Yes, I used the breaks between the games to increase my post count!

Think about it. Fed wins The US Open in 2007. Then he starts to implement his plan of only playing Slams. Problem is, he is required to play Masters Series events and other such nonsense. No problem. He strategically tanks Madrid and Paris to Nalby. Decides to win TMC (just to prove he can easily beat the best). Gets hit with Mono during AO (and still makes the semis). Tanks everything else until The French (and makes the finals). Wins Halle (just because it was easier to win it than lose it). Makes the finals of Wimby. Now he back to tanking everything until The US Open again.

Nice, but the problem THIS year is that the olympic games unsettle the plan. Go for gold, or dump it and go for a 5th consecutive US Open?

Or dump Mirka?

lina_seta
07-31-2008, 09:29 PM
well for someone who had it it doesnt matter anymore (roger)
for someone who hasnt been #1 it def matters (rafa)

and for the rest... with the #1 comes the extra mental edge.

And NO roger has to play all the important tourneys to be seeded high in GS... u wouldnt want to be #3 or below and having to face rafa before the final or other potential threats.

r2473
07-31-2008, 09:34 PM
Nice, but the problem THIS year is that the olympic games unsettle the plan. Go for gold, or dump it and go for a 5th consecutive US Open?

You tell us. What are you going to do Roger?

octatennis
07-31-2008, 09:36 PM
i was thinking the same during the match, the commentators were talking about what affected the most to fed, and obviously they said W final and RG final, so if you asked him what does he prefer between #1 and wimbly, he will say wimbly with no doubt.

and yes, he should just focus on grand slam but expiring with the other tournaments.

nanoman
07-31-2008, 09:37 PM
You guys know who BackhandMissle really is don't you?.......Roger Federer himself.

Think about it. Fed wins The US Open in 2007. Then he starts to implement his plan of only playing Slams. Problem is, he is required to play Masters Series events and other such nonsense. No problem. He strategically tanks Madrid and Paris to Nalby. Decides to win TMC (just to prove he can easily beat the best). Gets hit with Mono during AO (and still makes the semis). Tanks everything else until The French (and makes the finals). Wins Halle (just because it was easier to win it than lose it). Makes the finals of Wimby. Now he back to tanking everything until The US Open again.

And, to let the world know what he is up to, he has decided to post his plan on MTF, under the name "BackhandMissle".

Clever Rog, but I am on to you, you sly boots.

Good analysis, though he could find a better username than "BackhandMissile". BackhandJelly would have been more appropiate.

BackhandMissile
07-31-2008, 09:43 PM
And NO roger has to play all the important tourneys to be seeded high in GS... u wouldnt want to be #3 or below and having to face rafa before the final or other potential threats.

I would rather play Nadal in the first round and either beat him (and go on to win the whole thing) or take a beating (which would save me the trouble of playing for 2 weeks, and being asked stupid questions by Sue Barker everytime I step off the court).

A first round loss is less heart-breaking than a finals loss.

You tell us. What are you going to Roger?

The olympic gold always went to randoms, so I don't think my name should be down there with the likes of them.

On the other hand, I really can't be bothered to train anymore.

Good analysis, though he could find a better username than "BackhandMissile". BackhandJelly would have been more appropiate.

How rude of you

Zolka
07-31-2008, 09:51 PM
Of course it matters, C'mon... Rafa will take it, and it's gonna be fully deserved, the guy is just unreal. Roger broke a record which i don't think anyone can break for a loooooong time, so it's really not the end of the world that he'll lose the Nr.1 spot, especially to a guy who was Nr.2 for four consecutive years. He worked hard for that. Let it go. Roger doesn't have to be the first seed to win any tournament, just have to play a little better. Okay, a lot better. :)

thrust
07-31-2008, 09:58 PM
Maybe it's just me, but for somebody who's been number one for 4 years, I don't see why Federer should care about a ranking now that he's made his mark in tennis history anyway.

If anything, I would have thought he would be more interested in getting 2 (or 3 to beat the record) more Grand Slams.

In fact, why wouldn't he just stop playing most tournaments and focus on the slams only, with a few practice tournaments beforehand. He would certainly go into them fresher than anyone else.

Of course, if this works out well (and he gets his slams) there's always the option to switch back to the regular calendar.

True Roger is very intent on breaking Pete^s Slam record, but he also wanted to break Pete^s record 6 years of ending the season at #1. He also wants to win more Wimbledons than Pete did, and also wanted to beat Borg^s 5 straight Wimby wins. He did not break Borg^s record, he probably will not end the year at #1 and his winning 7 or 8 Wimbledons and 14 or 15 Slams is no longer a sure thing.

BackhandMissile
07-31-2008, 10:01 PM
Request to the mods: Can you please change the title to:

Does the number 1 spot even matter (for Federer)?

Thanks.

MacTheKnife
07-31-2008, 10:09 PM
Request to the mods: Can you please change the title to:

Does the number 1 spot even matter (for Federer)?

Thanks.

Check your user CP, and sent you a rep that explains the whole thing.

adee-gee
07-31-2008, 10:12 PM
:lol: interesting timing on the thread :)

tangerine_dream
07-31-2008, 10:17 PM
Dude, #1 is like so 2007.

The cool people aren't doing that anymore.
:lol:

guga2120
07-31-2008, 10:18 PM
I am shocked this thread was started by somebody from Switzerland.:D

Mats68
07-31-2008, 10:44 PM
Of course the #1 ranking doesn't matter now that Nadal is about to take it :rolleyes:
I don't understand why everyone, including the ATP web site keep saying that Nadal needs to reach the Cincy SF to be n.1. Nadal is ALREADY MATHEMATICALLY N.1, as from 18 august.
Before Toronto, the difference between Federer and Nadal in the ranking was 770 pts.
Federer was defending 850 points between Toronto and Cincy, Nadal was defending only 230 points. Federer has only defended 80 points therefore losing 770 points. Nadal has already gained 345 pts as compared to last year. So Nadal will be at least 345 points ahead of Federer come 18 August.

W!MBLEDON
07-31-2008, 11:09 PM
Ofcourse it matters.And knowing how Nadal fought to stay #2, I just can imagine how hard will it be to take him down from #1 ;) .

LMAO whatever

RafaTheBest
07-31-2008, 11:11 PM
I don't understand why everyone, including the ATP web site keep saying that Nadal needs to reach the Cincy SF to be n.1. Nadal is ALREADY MATHEMATICALLY N.1, as from 18 august.
Before Toronto, the difference between Federer and Nadal in the ranking was 770 pts.
Federer was defending 850 points between Toronto and Cincy, Nadal was defending only 230 points. Federer has only defended 80 points therefore losing 770 points. Nadal has already gained 345 pts as compared to last year. So Nadal will be at least 345 points ahead of Federer come 18 August.

They are saying he needs to reach the Cincy SF to be #1 NEXT week.

habibko
07-31-2008, 11:21 PM
Q. With so much of that talk lately with the ranking possibly switching, what is your take on being No. 1? Seems you're so nonchalant about some things in your game. Is that one of the things that it's not all that important to you at this point?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, it is important. But if Rafa were to get it, look what he had to achieve to get it, you know. That's what I like to see. I would have been disappointed if I would have lost first round in Paris and Wimbledon. Then I wouldn't be sitting here being so nonchalant about it.
If he gets it he deserves it. He's been No. 2 for a long, long time. Let's not forget about that. He had his chances in the past and now he's closer than ever just because he could really get Wimbledon. I think that was a big one for him, you know, and he's been on an incredible roll.
He hasn't made it yet, you know. I'm still hanging in there, and I hope I can now get on a roll after this match today.

Q. Your goal wasn't necessarily to stay at No. 1, it's to...
ROGER FEDERER: Well, of course it's my big goal. But what are you going to do? I'm going to try to win match by match, and I cannot say I want to be No. 1 in the world and not play tennis anymore, you know.
You got to go out on the tennis court and win the matches. Then you break it down and go point by point. That's unfortunately the grind you have to go through.
I'm now I'm back with a one-match winning streak. Let's call it that way. Because last week was ridiculous that I lost that match. I thought I should have never lost, so that sort of hurt me. Today would have been similar again if I would've lost.
So I'm happy I could turn it around today. Let's see what happens now.

thats Roger after Ginepri match :)

Damn
08-01-2008, 09:55 AM
Q: Your goal wasn't necessarily to stay at No. 1, it's to...

ROGER FEDERER: Well, of course it's my big goal.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Now we can confirm that the number 1 spot doesn't matter, and in consequence this thread deserves the title of "Mercedes-Benz thread of the month".

:sport:

JolánGagó
08-01-2008, 10:19 AM
Because last week was ridiculous that I lost that match. I thought I should have never lost...

So irrespectful...

Lopez
08-01-2008, 10:32 AM
I don't understand why everyone, including the ATP web site keep saying that Nadal needs to reach the Cincy SF to be n.1. Nadal is ALREADY MATHEMATICALLY N.1, as from 18 august.
Before Toronto, the difference between Federer and Nadal in the ranking was 770 pts.
Federer was defending 850 points between Toronto and Cincy, Nadal was defending only 230 points. Federer has only defended 80 points therefore losing 770 points. Nadal has already gained 345 pts as compared to last year. So Nadal will be at least 345 points ahead of Federer come 18 August.

No, he's not. If Rafa loses to Lapentti, Roger wins the Olympics and Nadal loses in the 1st (or 2nd?) round in the Olympics, Roger remains no1. before USO. Go check the rankings thread, it's explained fully there.

Erica86
08-01-2008, 10:35 AM
Does a gold medal matter?
Does a world championship matter?
Does being ahead of the best, or one of the best, tennis players matter?

Mmm. I am not sure, I think I will have to ask somebody.

A_Skywalker
08-01-2008, 10:45 AM
Number 1 matters only when Federer is there :rocker2:

Sebby
08-01-2008, 10:45 AM
The thread concern Federer. Read the first post.

Erica86
08-01-2008, 10:57 AM
The thread concern Federer. Read the first post.

You are right. Some of us just answered the question of the thread without giving a shit to read what he/she had to say. Sorry!

BackhandMissile
08-01-2008, 11:08 AM
Now we can confirm that the number 1 spot doesn't matter, and in consequence this thread deserves the title of "Mercedes-Benz thread of the month".

I doubt he's going to go out there and say "I'm more interested in breaking Pete's record than being number one for another few weeks".

In 20 years from today we won't be counting how many weeks he was number one. Nobody seems to care how long Sampras, Borg or Laver were number one. We're more interested in how many GS's, and WHICH GS's they won.

Federer's only aim now should be to win 3 GS's, out of which one should be RG. Anything else would be fairly irrelevant in comparison.

njorker
08-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Of course the #1 ranking doesn't matter now that Nadal is about to take it :rolleyes:

True!

Of course it matters! Just a few weeks ago, we all thought (well, I did) that Djoko would take #2 and lo and behold, it's Nadal now taking #1. It is a changing of the guard, so to speak. It matters to Fed, to Nadal, to the fans most especially.

Manon
08-01-2008, 01:31 PM
Doesn't matter anymore. Lets go to gym.

PiggyGotRoasted
08-01-2008, 01:35 PM
It doesnt matter, #1 and 2 seeds will never meet each other until the final anyway.