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Who is the 2nd best player right now?

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 12:30 AM
Obviously the first one is Nadal. But after that I don't see any player that is playing well enough to be considered the 2nd best player right now. They are all playing at a pathetically weak level.


Federer? Playing like a total clown this year.
Djokovic? Playing awful tennis in the last 3 months.
Ferrer? Losing left and right to utter mugs.
Davydenko? Hasn't done shit this year apart from winning Miami.
Roddick? Can't hit a forehand anymore these days.
Nalbandian? Not even playing, he has eaten too many hamburgers.
Blake? Mindless ballbasher who hasn't won anything this year.
Murray? Maybe he's the 2nd best player now. Still hasn't done much.
Wawrinka? LOL, what a joke this clown is in the top 10.



Just goes to show how weak this year has been. Truly a mug era with only one good player who is winning everything thanks to one of the weakest years in tennis history.

Sunset of Age
07-31-2008, 12:33 AM
Federer? Playing like a total clown this year.

Yeah, reaching two GS finals and one semi is obviously 'playing like a total clown'.

:retard:

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 12:35 AM
Yeah, reaching two GS finals and one semi is obviously 'playing like a total clown'.

:retard:



Maybe you need to rewatch his matches this year to the likes of Fish, Ginepri or Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo. Then come back and tell me Fed is playing at the same level he has been playing in the last few years.

Albatros99
07-31-2008, 12:35 AM
Probably Nadal playing right handed.

Jimnik
07-31-2008, 12:36 AM
The 2008 ATP Race doesn't lie.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 12:38 AM
Obviously the first one is Nadal. But after that I don't see any player that is playing well enough to be considered the 2nd best player right now. They are all playing at a pathetically weak level.


Federer? Playing like a total clown this year.
Djokovic? Playing awful tennis in the last 3 months.
Ferrer? Losing left and right to utter mugs.
Davydenko? Hasn't done shit this year apart from winning Miami.
Roddick? Can't hit a forehand anymore these days.
Nalbandian? Not even playing, he has eaten too many hamburgers.
Blake? Mindless ballbasher who hasn't won anything this year.
Murray? Maybe he's the 2nd best player now. Still hasn't done much.
Wawrinka? LOL, what a joke this clown is in the top 10.



Just goes to show how weak this year has been. Truly a mug era with only one good player who is winning everything thanks to one of the weakest years in tennis history.

:rolleyes:

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 12:41 AM
:rolleyes:



So who is playing better than Nadal at the moment? :rolleyes:

Net Cord
07-31-2008, 12:43 AM
I would have to go with Murray right now. Wimbledon QF and Toronto SF, each culminating with losses to Nadal.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 12:45 AM
So who is playing better than Nadal at the moment? :rolleyes:

Just about anyone who's not a moonballer/pusher.

Albatros99
07-31-2008, 12:47 AM
I would have to go with Murray right now. Wimbledon QF and Toronto SF, each culminating with losses to Nadal.

Agree. The only player right know who can make it difficult for Nadal.

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 12:48 AM
Just about anyone who's not a moonballer/pusher.



Well, but nobody is beating him. Why is that he has won like 30 matches in a row?

Sunset of Age
07-31-2008, 12:48 AM
Maybe you need to rewatch his matches this year to the likes of Fish, Ginepri or Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo. Then come back and tell me Fed is playing at the same level he has been playing in the last few years.

How short of memory you are. Fed has had his terrible matches all throughout his career, even when he managed to win in the end.
I never said he was playing on the same level, but as you seem to judge on RESULTS rather than on playing level, I thought I'd do exactly the same thing. :wavey:

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 12:54 AM
How short of memory you are. Fed has had his terrible matches all throughout his career, even when he managed to win in the end.
I never said he was playing on the same level, but as you seem to judge on RESULTS rather than on playing level, I thought I'd do exactly the same thing. :wavey:



True that he has had terrible matches in the past that he used to pull out in the end somehow. Like that one against Suzuki in Tokyo in 2006. Still I've never seen him consistently playing so bad since he became #1. Matches against Fish and Simon were horror shows.

Baghdatis72
07-31-2008, 12:55 AM
At this period (and not the whole year) Nadal is playing much better than the rest with no crystal clear 2nd best but a few possible contestants like Federer, Murray and ... hmm can't think of anyone else to be honest :eek:

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 12:55 AM
Well, but nobody is beating him. Why is that he has won like 30 matches in a row?

I could tell you but they'd delete my post afterwards.

scoobs
07-31-2008, 01:00 AM
;)

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 01:02 AM
See? ;)

LocoPorElTenis
07-31-2008, 01:11 AM
Depends how you define "right now". Is it all of 2008 so far? The last couple of months? The last couple of weeks? The last couple of femtoseconds?

ReturnWinner
07-31-2008, 01:12 AM
Federer, runner-up in Roland Garros and Wimbledon.

Halba
07-31-2008, 01:12 AM
Depends how you define "right now". Is it all of 2008 so far? The last couple of months? The last couple of weeks? The last couple of femtoseconds?

current form. the 2nd best player in the world is andy murray. Fed is 3rd.

Clay Death
07-31-2008, 01:14 AM
current form. the 2nd best player in the world is andy murray. Fed is 3rd.


sounds about right. Murray has to keep it going here. he has been playing well. its time to take a major scalp here. Fed`s scalp will be available to him. he just has to get there to take it.

Damn
07-31-2008, 01:15 AM
Depends how you define "right now". Is it all of 2008 so far? The last couple of months? The last couple of weeks? The last couple of femtoseconds?

It doesn't matter if he's talking about 2008, the last 2 months, the last 2 weeks or the last 2 seconds, the best player is Rafael Nadal: 2 GS Titles, 3 AMS Titles, Queens, Barcelona, 30 victories in a row in very different surfaces (slow/medium clay, fast/medium grass, slow hard), 5 consecutive titles and +350 points in the race over the second. So...

cool bird1
07-31-2008, 01:18 AM
Agree. The only player right know who can make it difficult for Nadal.

That is total rubbish he has not even taken a set off of Nadal. Federer is the second best player this year. But what a player he is Federer is having a crap year by his standards and id still number 2 in the world.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 01:19 AM
The 2nd best player is Ramon.

Ramon Nadal. He plays when his twin Rafael is too tired :haha:

Guy Haines
07-31-2008, 01:22 AM
I could tell you but they'd delete my post afterwards.

:lol: Not this routine again! :smash:

Net Cord
07-31-2008, 01:23 AM
That is total rubbish he has not even taken a set off of Nadal. Federer is the second best player this year. But what a player he is Federer is having a crap year by his standards and id still number 2 in the world.

Do you mean this year? Because in 2007, Murray took 2 sets off of Nadal in their 5 set battle. And while Nadal is 5-0 against Murray, they haven't yet played on a faster hard court, where I would expect Murray to have his best chance against Nadal.

Albatros99
07-31-2008, 01:25 AM
That is total rubbish he has not even taken a set off of Nadal. Federer is the second best player this year. But what a player he is Federer is having a crap year by his standards and id still number 2 in the world.

I said right now.

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 01:26 AM
I could tell you but they'd delete my post afterwards.



I think it's because everyone else is playing like crap at the moment. I don't see any player that is playing consitently at a high level (besides Nadal) right now.

Damn
07-31-2008, 01:29 AM
Just about anyone who's not a moonballer/pusher.

If this was a match I would say: "Expected answer" or "Never in doubt"

:bs:

cool bird1
07-31-2008, 01:31 AM
It doesn't matter if he's talking about 2008, the last 2 months, the last 2 weeks or the last 2 seconds, the best player is Rafael Nadal: 2 GS Titles, 3 AMS Titles, Queens, Barcelona, 30 victories in a row in very different surfaces (slow/medium clay, fast/medium grass, slow hard), 5 consecutive titles and +350 points in the race over the second. So...


Nadal is without question the best player of 2008. And I think it would be soo wrong if he did not finish the year as world number 1.

But if you ask me who is the greater player is out of Nadal and Federer I will pick Federer

12 slams
51 or 52 titles 4 years stright as the world number 1
16 stright slam SF
The man has been a god in the world of tennis. And he is still in with a chance of being the greastest tennis player of all time. Nadal has had 4 months at the top. Federer has had 4 years. :):)

LocoPorElTenis
07-31-2008, 01:35 AM
current form. the 2nd best player in the world is andy murray. Fed is 3rd.

Then define "current". What I'm getting at is that one can't draw conclusions from a very short period. Federer played two awful matches, but before that made two slam finals; that's a lot more than Murray did in his whole career. Now if Federer loses to Karlovic and Murray goes deep in Cincy then there could be an argument that Murray has better current form.

cool bird1
07-31-2008, 01:36 AM
Do you mean this year? Because in 2007, Murray took 2 sets off of Nadal in their 5 set battle. And while Nadal is 5-0 against Murray, they haven't yet played on a faster hard court, where I would expect Murray to have his best chance against Nadal.

Well I dont count sets, I count wins. Murry has yet to beat Nadal. He has not taken a set off of him all year. Murry for me is all hype. Let me see him achive something big. Cus at the moment people talk about him as if he is GS winner and it really really gets on my nerves.

And plenty of people can beat Nadal on a fast hard court.

LocoPorElTenis
07-31-2008, 01:37 AM
Nadal is without question the best player of 2008. And I think it would be soo wrong if he did not finish the year as world number 1.

But if you ask me who is the greater player is out of Nadal and Federer I will pick Federer

12 slams
51 or 52 titles 4 years stright as the world number 1
16 stright slam SF
The man has been a god in the world of tennis. And he is still in with a chance of being the greastest tennis player of all time. Nadal has had 4 months at the top. Federer has had 4 years. :):)

Yes and this thread is about the second best player right now.

cool bird1
07-31-2008, 01:42 AM
Yes and this thread is about the second best player right now.

Well for its Fed :devil:

habibko
07-31-2008, 01:47 AM
Maybe you need to rewatch his matches this year to the likes of Fish, Ginepri or Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo. Then come back and tell me Fed is playing at the same level he has been playing in the last few years.

maybe you need to rewatch the wimbledon final again and you will know the answer, also let's wait for the year end #1, want to bet he isn't going to be Nadal?

Johnny Groove
07-31-2008, 01:54 AM
Gasquet is technically the last player to take a set from Rafa :)

Clay Death
07-31-2008, 01:57 AM
Gasquet is technically the last player to take a set from Rafa :)


anybody can take a set from the Clay Monster. even Kei Nishikori and Karlovic took sets from the "ultimate doomsday stroking machine". it means nothing. if anything, it prepares him better for the next match.

next.

Guy Haines
07-31-2008, 01:58 AM
Federer -- if "right now" means 2008.

If "right now" means this week, I guess we'll find out soon.

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 01:58 AM
maybe you need to rewatch the wimbledon final again and you will know the answer, also let's wait for the year end #1, want to bet he isn't going to be Nadal?



So who is it going to be according to you?


Oh, and I don't need to rewatch the Wimbledon final to know Fed played like shit. I'm still puzzled why the hell he used that shitty topspin backhand of his instead of using his great slice backhand. Fed was lucky for the rain delay or he would have been humiliated in straights.

habibko
07-31-2008, 02:04 AM
So who is it going to be according to you?


Oh, and I don't need to rewatch the Wimbledon final to know Fed played like shit. I'm still puzzled why the hell he used that shitty topspin backhand of his instead of using his great slice backhand. Fed was lucky for the rain delay or he would have been humiliated in straights.

I believe it's going to be Federer, and if a rain delay can magically make you drain the life out of the current #1 in the race then certainly that makes you at least the current #2 which magically matches with the race rankings, which answers your thread question.

using a word like shit to describe that performance tells alot about you :)

Henry Kaspar
07-31-2008, 02:13 AM
Federer? Playing like a total clown this year.

How strange then that Nadal needed almost five hours to defeat a clown at Wimbledon.

Federer is obviously the second best player. A couple of weaker second- or third-rate tournaments don't change a thing about this. If he gets steamrolled early at the US Open (unlikley, if you ask me) one might be talking about whether he has slipped even more -- at the earliest. And anyway, the only player who has Federer and Nadal in his sight is Djokovic.

RagingLamb
07-31-2008, 02:15 AM
How strange then that Nadal needed almost five hours to defeat a clown at Wimbledon.

wouldn't you agree that this was his best loss this year?

Henry Kaspar
07-31-2008, 02:18 AM
wouldn't you agree that this was his best loss this year?

Yes :lol:

Nadal's best loss was arguably against Tsonga, however, and Federer looked far better against Nadal in Wimbledon than Nadal against Tsonga down under. So maybe Fed is still #1? ;)

RagingLamb
07-31-2008, 02:24 AM
Yes :lol:

Nadal's best loss was arguably against Tsonga, however, and Federer looked far better against Nadal in Wimbledon than Nadal against Tsonga down under. So maybe Fed is still #1? ;)

well, what I was getting at, is that just considering his best loss seems a bit biased, and it doesn't tell the whole story about Fed. Same is true for Nadal.

tennizen
07-31-2008, 02:25 AM
I could tell you but they'd delete my post afterwards.

Oh come we know you want to say " Radek Stepanek is the best player only if he wasn't injured and if he hadn't lost to Andreev" . No mod would be cruel enough to delete that post:D

Henry Kaspar
07-31-2008, 02:27 AM
well, what I was getting at, is that just considering his best loss seems a bit biased, and it doesn't tell the whole story about Fed. Same is true for Nadal.

So what's the whole story of Federer -- two finals and a semi this year at the slams? Not dropping a set in Wimbledon until meeting Nadal? I take these too.

Clay Death
07-31-2008, 02:27 AM
Oh come we know you want to say " Radek Stepanek is the best player only if he wasn't injured and if he hadn't lost to Andreev" . No mod would be cruel enough to delete that post:D


affirmateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeev great Tennizen.

RagingLamb
07-31-2008, 02:33 AM
So what's the whole story of Federer -- two finals and a semi this year at the slams? Not dropping a set in Wimbledon until meeting Nadal? I take these too.

I think he's done very well relative to most other players, and I'm not disputing that he might be the second best at the moment. But I don't care that much about who's doing what at the moment.

I remember not too long ago we were talking about Nole becoming number 1 and whether he'd win the golden slam. Now everyone's drooling over Nadal.

I say let's wait until the end. It doesn't matter who played better today, this week, or this month. It's consistency that matters, and we'll know about the most consistent player at the end of the year. Personally I think Nadal will be the new no. 1, but I'll wait until it actually happens.

Pedigree
07-31-2008, 02:42 AM
:smash:This thread is utterly ridiculous and just goes to show the ridiculous standard Fed is held to. Let's see ... in evaluating the second best player at the moment we should look at results over the last few tournaments, agreed?

Hamburg - Runner Up, lost to Nadal in final
French Open - Runner Up, lost to Nadal in final
Halle - Won
Wimbledon - Runner Up, lost to Nadal in final
Canada - lost first match

Uh ... gee ... what terrible results :rolleyes:. You're right, it's not completely and totally obvious who the world's second best player is :smash:

Beat
07-31-2008, 01:27 PM
It doesn't matter if he's talking about 2008, the last 2 months, the last 2 weeks or the last 2 seconds, the best player is Rafael Nadal: 2 GS Titles, 3 AMS Titles, Queens, Barcelona, 30 victories in a row in very different surfaces (slow/medium clay, fast/medium grass, slow hard), 5 consecutive titles and +350 points in the race over the second. So...

but the thread is about who's 2nd best. and then his question was spot-on.

~Maya~
07-31-2008, 01:30 PM
:smash:This thread is utterly ridiculous and just goes to show the ridiculous standard Fed is held to. Let's see ... in evaluating the second best player at the moment we should look at results over the last few tournaments, agreed?

Hamburg - Runner Up, lost to Nadal in final
French Open - Runner Up, lost to Nadal in final
Halle - Won
Wimbledon - Runner Up, lost to Nadal in final
Canada - lost first match

Uh ... gee ... what terrible results :rolleyes:. You're right, it's not completely and totally obvious who the world's second best player is :smash:

Agree

platinum
07-31-2008, 02:46 PM
Who is the 2nd best player right now?


Murray.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 02:51 PM
Who is the 2nd best player right now?


Murray.

If you're right, we're living the weakest mug period of ALL TIME :haha:

Bilbo
07-31-2008, 02:52 PM
A. Murray

Sunset of Age
07-31-2008, 03:27 PM
but the thread is about who's 2nd best. and then his question was spot-on.

Of course.
Some people obviously can't READ over here. Apparently gloating and bandwagonning affects one's eyes... ;)

PiggyGotRoasted
07-31-2008, 03:28 PM
Novak Djokovic, after Roger Federer.

Pedigree
07-31-2008, 03:30 PM
This thread and some of the responses are simply inconcievable. There's no way that if you reversed Federer's and Murray's recent results that anybody on the board would say Federer is the second best player. The serious responses would be 100% Murray and the thread starter would be bashed to hell.

The expectations Fed faces are the most unreasonable in the history of sports. He's accomplished more than twice as much as anybody besides Nadal recently and people are claiming he's not the clear number two player right now. So patently absurd...

Bernard Black
07-31-2008, 03:31 PM
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga :p

Henry Kaspar
07-31-2008, 03:49 PM
I got it. It's Nicolas Kiefer. Because Federer was #2 after Wimbledon, lost to Simon, hence Simon became #2. Simon lost to Kiefer, hence Kiefer became #2, who then lost only to Nadal, who was already #1. Federer is only #5 at the moment, because Murray also beat Simon to who he lost.

Thus, by crystcal clear logical deduction, the top 5 at the moment are:

1 Nadal
2 Kiefer
3 Murray
4 Simon
5 Federer. :cool:

You can close the thread. :angel:

RafaTheBest
07-31-2008, 04:06 PM
Probably Nadal playing right handed.

True.

sawan66278
07-31-2008, 04:19 PM
Oh come we know you want to say " Radek Stepanek is the best player only if he wasn't injured and if he hadn't lost to Andreev" . No mod would be cruel enough to delete that post:D

Radek is certainly the best at rolling around in the grass like a pig and faking injuries...that's for certain.;)

green25814
07-31-2008, 04:41 PM
the second best player in the world is nadal, with federer first.

Whats the confusion? :confused:

MaryX
07-31-2008, 04:48 PM
Maybe Murray?

selyoink
07-31-2008, 04:49 PM
Just the fact that some people think Murray is the second best player in the world at the moment confirms that this is a mug era.

r2473
07-31-2008, 05:01 PM
If the rankings mean nothing (and I guess your question and the various answers indicate this is true), the second best player RIGHT NOW would have to be the player that gets 2nd in the tournament this week.

So, RIGHT NOW, Kiefer is the 2nd best player (but, that will change on Sunday).

By this logic, come Sunday, the best player in the world might not be Nadal (even though he will take over the #1 ranking and be #1 in the 2008 ATP race).

MTF MOTTO: "What have you done for me lately".

MaryX
07-31-2008, 05:06 PM
Just the fact that some people think Murray is the second best player in the world at the moment confirms that this is a mug era.

I can almost agree.But, it isn't Murray's fault.Other top 10 apart from him and Nadal play terribly.

prima donna
07-31-2008, 06:08 PM
Maybe you need to rewatch his matches this year to the likes of Fish, Ginepri or Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo. Then come back and tell me Fed is playing at the same level he has been playing in the last few years.
Change your avatar and go whine elsewhere.

Allez
07-31-2008, 06:08 PM
1. Nadal




2. Murray
3. :shrug:

Damn
07-31-2008, 06:41 PM
Novak Djokovic, after Roger Federer.

You're right, as always :worship:

Pedigree
07-31-2008, 06:55 PM
I can almost agree.But, it isn't Murray's fault.Other top 10 apart from him and Nadal play terribly.

The fact that people are picking Murray isn't Murray's fault. It's the fault of those who are choosing him and ignoring the clear second best player, Federer. You could make the argument that Murray's the third or fourth best in the world now, though.

Ouragan
07-31-2008, 07:00 PM
1. Nadal




2. Murray
3. :shrug:

That's how I see it too :p

jcempire
07-31-2008, 07:30 PM
Maybe you need to rewatch his matches this year to the likes of Fish, Ginepri or Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo. Then come back and tell me Fed is playing at the same level he has been playing in the last few years.

So, you got another guy who reached two Slam Final and one Semi ?????

Give me the name, other wise Federer is still the one

Albatros99
07-31-2008, 09:04 PM
Certainly not Federer. As I predicted his ego is completely crushed by that Spartan force of nature called Nadalator

njnetswill
07-31-2008, 09:13 PM
As much as I hate to say it, Murray is the 2nd best player right now. :help: :o

platinum
07-31-2008, 09:38 PM
Murray is the 2nd best player right now. :help: :o

Affirmative.

Manon
07-31-2008, 09:54 PM
Affirmative.

True. This week.

MacTheKnife
07-31-2008, 09:57 PM
Simon or Karlovic, take your pick. :haha::haha:

LinkMage
07-31-2008, 11:54 PM
Wow! 2nd best player Federer loses to Karlovic.

:haha:

If Fedmug is the 2nd best player right now this is the biggest mug era ever.

Damn
08-01-2008, 09:48 AM
I don't know who's the 2nd best player right now, but Federer is not, definitely.

richie21
08-01-2008, 10:12 AM
On hardcourt,Murray

Pfloyd
08-01-2008, 10:15 AM
Maybe Murray.

Gulbis might be up there.

Have to wait to see Djoko improve a bit. IF he does, he's a safe bet for #2.

finishingmove
08-01-2008, 10:40 AM
1st Nadal, R. 1055
2nd Federer, R. 686
3rd Djokovic, N. 674

novak djokovic should end the year on the no.2 spot based on his and federer's post wimbledon performances