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Cincy or the Olympics

cool bird1
07-30-2008, 10:40 PM
Im shocked. If you make it to the weekend of Cinny you then have to get on a flight to be ready to paly in the Olympics for Tuesday. I dont think that the winner of Cincy is going to win the Olympics. Not in the buring heat. And for Federer well it will have to be Number 1 or the Olympics.
Fed want the Olympics more I think he may tank his match tomorrow.

jayjay
07-30-2008, 10:43 PM
Cincinnati ends on August 3rd. The Olympics Tennis begins on August 10th. In other words, what are you talking about?

cool bird1
07-30-2008, 10:48 PM
Cincinnati ends on August 3rd. The Olympics Tennis begins on August 10th. In other words, what are you talking about?

Oh god sorry Peter Flemming was saying that who ever won the title this week would have no chance in the Olympics as they would have to paly there first match on Tuesday. As I could not remeber when it started. I what he ment then as that is loads of time to jump on a plane and get over the jet lag. Strange :confused::confused:

kalisita
07-30-2008, 10:48 PM
Cincinnati ends on August 3rd. The Olympics Tennis begins on August 10th. In other words, what are you talking about?

It's a long flight and a big time difference. A week isn't that long to adjust to conditions. Not to mention all the hoopla surrounding the Olympics.

cool bird1
07-30-2008, 10:51 PM
It's a long flight and a big time difference. A week isn't that long to adjust to conditions. Not to mention all the hoopla surrounding the Olympics.

No tht not really that bad. Most of the guys are super fit a week is plenty of time I think. I thought they would have to paly there first match on tuesday. Now that would of been rough.

jayjay
07-30-2008, 10:51 PM
It's a long flight and a big time difference. A week isn't that long to adjust to conditions. Not to mention all the hoopla surrounding the Olympics.

I'm not saying it's going to be an easy transition, but it is a week (more actually as it's likely Federer/Nadal/Djokovic will be scheduled to start on the tuesday) as opposed to the couple of days being claimed by the thread starter (who appears to have been badly advised by Peter Fleming).

Most of the players will have a week to 10 days to prepare, so they are all essentially in the same boat. No excuses for any of them.

cool bird1
07-30-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm not saying it's going to be an easy transition, but it is a week (more actually as it's likely Federer/Nadal/Djokovic will be scheduled to start on the tuesday) as opposed to the couple of days being claimed by the thread starter (who appears to have been badly advised by Peter Fleming).

Most of the players will have a week to 10 days to prepare, so they are all essentially in the same boat. No excuses for any of them.



Very badly advised. Im gonna change mt thread name as I now know the truth.

Sebby
07-30-2008, 10:55 PM
Fed want the Olympics more I think he may tank his match tomorrow.

At least you're giving a nice excuse to the Fedtards for his next loss :umbrella:

kalisita
07-30-2008, 10:58 PM
I'm not saying it's going to be an easy transition, but it is a week (more actually as it's likely Federer/Nadal/Djokovic will be scheduled to start on the tuesday) as opposed to the couple of days being claimed by the thread starter (who appears to have been badly advised by Peter Fleming).

Most of the players will have a week to 10 days to prepare, so they are all essentially in the same boat. No excuses for any of them.

The big names like to have extra time, though. It's like when some of them skip Paris or even Madrid to be ready for the Masters Cup. The stars are already coddled, but they're the first to complain about the schedule. I'm not saying that Fed, or anyone else, will lose early to get ready for the Olympics, but I also don't think it's a ridiculous idea.

Pfloyd
07-30-2008, 11:00 PM
Well, if forced to choose the options are:

More prestige but only 400 points.

OR

Less Prestige but 500 points.

I still think that the once every four years if a pretty rare and valuable event.

So I'll go for the Olympics, but not by too much.

cmurray
07-30-2008, 11:21 PM
Well, if forced to choose the options are:

More prestige but only 400 points.

OR

Less Prestige but 1000 points.

I still think that the once every four years if a pretty rare and valuable event.

So I'll go for the Olympics, but not by too much.

Masters events are not worth 1000 points, they are worth 500.

Merton
07-31-2008, 12:16 AM
A week is sufficient time to make the transition here, in my mind it will be a more serious issue for those who go deep in the Olympics to acclimatize at the US Open.

CyBorg
07-31-2008, 12:35 AM
Well, if forced to choose the options are:

More prestige but only 400 points.

OR

Less Prestige but 500 points.

I still think that the once every four years if a pretty rare and valuable event.

So I'll go for the Olympics, but not by too much.

What prestige?

Since when do the Olympics have more prestige than a masters series event?

This was never the case. The olympics have very little history as far as tennis is concerned.

And quick - who was the last guy to win the gold medal in Olympic tennis competition? Exactly.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 12:36 AM
What prestige?

Since when do the Olympics have more prestige than a masters series event?

This was never the case. The olympics have very little history as far as tennis is concerned.

And quick - who was the last guy to win the gold medal in Olympic tennis competition? Exactly.

You expect logical reasoning from someone who thinks Latin is Dutch? :lol:

I agree with you.

TMS>Olympics.

Pfloyd
07-31-2008, 12:36 AM
What prestige?

Since when do the Olympics have more prestige than a masters series event?

This was never the case. The olympics have very little history as far as tennis is concerned.

And quick - who was the last guy to win the gold medal in Olympic tennis competition? Exactly.

Was it Massu?

edit: Hah, I remembered that without looking it up! I Just confirmed my doubts.

I see your point, but if it did not matter too much and it's worth less than a Masters, why do so many tennis players bother going?

There has to be something going for the Olympics in terms of players wanting the Gold.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 12:43 AM
Without any help (atptennis.com) or something else :

2004 = Massu

2000 = Kafelnikov

1996 = Agassi

1992 = Rosset

1988 = euh... Mecir :confused:


EDIT : women too :p


2004 = Henin

2000 = Venus

1996 = Davenport

1992 = Capriati

1988 = I don't know :-(

EDIT2

88 = THE GOLDEN SLAM OF GRAF

what an idiot

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 12:45 AM
Without any help (atptennis.com) or something else :

2004 = Massu

2000 = Kafelnikov

1996 = Agassi

1992 = Rosset

1988 = euh... Mecir :confused:

He doesn't want people to list him the winners. He was being ironic. Massu being an Olympic champion shows how little prestige tennis has in the games.

Joao
07-31-2008, 12:53 AM
Who wins the Olympics has nothing to do with prestige. It only shows who was in form or not. And clearly if Massu won it's because the big names such as Federer and Co didn't live up to expectations!

Prestige has to do with who plays and clearly everyone wants to play it ... maybe that's because you don't have that many shots to win it. And as an aside, a medal gold looks a lot better than most trophies players have at home...

Sebby
07-31-2008, 12:54 AM
He doesn't want people to list him the winners. He was being ironic. Massu being an Olympic champion shows how little prestige tennis has in the games.

lol sorry :o

But if I can remember some winners, IMO it's the proof that Olympics are getting more important for tennis :)

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 01:00 AM
lol sorry :o

But if I can remember some winners, IMO it's the proof that Olympics are getting more important for tennis :)

Can't you remember Cinci's last winners?

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 01:05 AM
Can't you remember Cinci's last winners?

Federer twice, Agassi, Roddick twice, Moya, Kuerten, Enqvist...

Sebby
07-31-2008, 01:07 AM
Can't you remember Cinci's last winners?

To be honest...not many, not year by year

in the 2000's and in disorder :

Federer (2 times i think), Roddick, Moya...

It's all years so it's tougher than Olympics :o

Burrow
07-31-2008, 01:09 AM
3 times in consecutive posts cool bird is spelling the word "play" as "paly" wow...

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 01:10 AM
Federer twice, Agassi, Roddick twice, Moya, Kuerten, Enqvist...

No need for that. :p I was just trying to prove a point too.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 01:11 AM
Federer twice, Agassi, Roddick twice, Moya, Kuerten, Enqvist...

Impressive :yeah:

I totally forgot Agassi and Enqvist victories and I wasn't sure if Kuerten has won or was runner up

Snoo Foo
07-31-2008, 01:12 AM
Maybe they are taking the slow boat to China.

Damn
07-31-2008, 01:33 AM
TMS>Olympics.

True. 14 Majors > Olympics, all the way.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 01:37 AM
@ Glenn :

Ask Massu if he want to exchange his gold medal with a TMS ;)

Oh and Agassi too...

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 01:41 AM
True. 14 Majors > Olympics, all the way.

Lay off the crack mate.

@ Glenn :

Ask Massu if he want to exchange his gold medal with a TMS ;)

Oh and Agassi too...

It's personal, ask them yourself.

Fact is, in tennis tournaments are as prestigious as how traditional they are. Tennis in Olympics isn't traditional = not prestigious.

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 01:44 AM
Massu would swap Olympics for TMS, where you have to beat top players consistently in one week. His gold medal, I mean, Mardy Fish in the final? Awesome.

Snoo Foo
07-31-2008, 01:49 AM
It probably depends where you are from, how many other titles you have, etc. Massu's gold medal is his claim to fame, not being from a traditional olympics powerhouse country, and Agassi's got so many MS shields he can use them as salad plates so the gold medal is something special.

Today one of the commentators said Tim Henman told him he'd trade his gold medal for a MS (before he actually won AMS Paris).

Sebby
07-31-2008, 01:49 AM
It's personal, ask them yourself.

I don't need to, I already know the answer :p

With his gold medal Massu has become a hero in Chile.

With his gold medal Agassi has the most complete palmares of all time. All GS, the Davis cup and the number one spot.

cool bird1
07-31-2008, 01:49 AM
3 times in consecutive posts cool bird is spelling the word "play" as "paly" wow...

Thankyou very much. I do but try :D

Morgan Z
07-31-2008, 01:53 AM
Today one of the commentators said Tim Henman told him he'd trade his gold medal for a MS (before he actually won AMS Paris).

Tim got a silver medal, actually. He and Neil Broad lost to the Woodies.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 01:54 AM
I don't need to, I already know the answer :p

With his gold medal Massu has become a hero in Chile.

With his gold medal Agassi has the most complete palmares of all time. All GS, the Davis cup and the number one spot.

Hero in Chile. Wow. The tennis world rejoices.

Agassi's gold medal means much less than his TMS shields.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 02:00 AM
Agassi's gold medal means much less than his TMS shields.

17(?)TMS > Olympic Gold

I agree ;)

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 02:01 AM
17(?)TMS > Olympic Gold

I agree ;)

Than each one of his TMS shields.

Happy now?

Damn
07-31-2008, 02:03 AM
Lay off the crack mate.

14 = 4 GS Titles + 9 AMS + TMC. I hope you undertand this difficult mathematical equation this time.

GS, AMS, TMC > Olympics Gold Medal

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 02:04 AM
14 = 4 GS Titles + 9 AMS + TMC. I hope you undertand this difficult mathematical equation this time.

Wow, you're smart.

Too bad you still haven't proven any point, or even if you have one.

1 TMS > Olympic gold or whatever.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 02:06 AM
By the way it's a matter of taste, like the classic debate "Who was the greatest, Sampras or Agassi ?" There is no end.

Damn
07-31-2008, 02:06 AM
1 TMS > Olympic gold or whatever.

Agree.

My point is simple: Olympic medal is less important than a GS Title, an AMS or the TMC.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 02:08 AM
Agree.

My point is simple: Olympic medal is less important than a GS, a AMS or the TMC.

You said majors... majors are only GSs. So...

But yeah, this fact about the Olympics and tennis should be obvious to any tennis fan.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 02:10 AM
1 TMS > Olympic gold or whatever.

In term of tennis achievement, yes.

In term of "glory", no.

I can bet anyday all what I have that Federer would exchange any of his TMS for a gold medal. Any Federer fan know that.

But like I said, there is no end to such a debate.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 02:11 AM
In term of tennis achievement, yes.

In term of "glory", no.

I can bet anyday all what I have that Federer would exchange any of his TMS for a gold medal. Any Federer fan know that.

But like I said, there is no end to such a debate.

Of course there is.

We're in a tennis forum, not a glory forum, so we're talking about tennis and IN TENNIS, TMS > Olympics. :)

Sebby
07-31-2008, 02:15 AM
Of course there is.

We're in a tennis forum, not a glory forum, so we're talking about tennis and IN TENNIS, TMS > Olympics. :)

Ok, you won :sad:

but i'll have my revenge one day, i promise :mad:

Clay Death
07-31-2008, 02:18 AM
Ok, you won :sad:

but i'll have my revenge one day, i promise :mad:


i can tell you with a relatively very high degree of confidence that Fed will pull out of the olympics if he fails to win this title here in Cincy.

he may pull out even if he wins Cincy masters. he will try to regroup and get some rest in order to show up fresh for the U.S. Open. its far more important than the olympic medal.

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 02:23 AM
Olympiatards, come on. Which of these achievements would you rather have?

MASSU OLYMPICS 2004

R1 Kuerten 6-3 5-7 6-4
R2 Spadea 7-6 6-2
R3 Andreev 6-3 6-7 6-4
QF Moya 6-2 7-5
SF Dent 7-6 6-1
W Fish 6-3 3-6 2-6 6-3 6-4

HENMAN TMS TITLE 2003:

R1 Davydenko 6-3 6-4
R2 Grosjean 3-6 6-4 7-5
R3 Kuerten 6-4 6-2
QF Federer 7-6 6-1
SF Roddick (equpped with FH) 7-6 7-6
W Pavel 6-2 7-6 7-6

Come on, which of these is more prestigious? :lol:

Sebby
07-31-2008, 02:32 AM
Olympiatards LOL

It depends on how many women I can get :p

since his medal, Massu is known as the Chilean PIMP :umbrella:

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 02:36 AM
Olympiatards LOL

It depends on how many women I can get :p

since his medal, Massu is known as the Chilean PIMP :umbrella:

:lol:

There are players who have never won a non-MM title that are much bigger pimps.

~*BGT*~
07-31-2008, 02:41 AM
Olympiatards, come on. Which of these achievements would you rather have?

MASSU OLYMPICS 2004

R1 Kuerten 6-3 5-7 6-4
R2 Spadea 7-6 6-2
R3 Andreev 6-3 6-7 6-4
QF Moya 6-2 7-5
SF Dent 7-6 6-1
W Fish 6-3 3-6 2-6 6-3 6-4

HENMAN TMS TITLE 2003:

R1 Davydenko 6-3 6-4
R2 Grosjean 3-6 6-4 7-5
R3 Kuerten 6-4 6-2
QF Federer 7-6 6-1
SF Roddick (equpped with FH) 7-6 7-6
W Pavel 6-2 7-6 7-6

Come on, which of these is more prestigious? :lol:

That doesn't prove anything. Both of those draws could have happened at any tournament. :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 02:42 AM
That doesn't prove anything. Both of those draws could have happened at any tournament. :shrug:

Of course it does.

Albop
07-31-2008, 02:51 AM
Olympiatards, come on. Which of these achievements would you rather have?

MASSU OLYMPICS 2004

R1 Kuerten 6-3 5-7 6-4
R2 Spadea 7-6 6-2
R3 Andreev 6-3 6-7 6-4
QF Moya 6-2 7-5
SF Dent 7-6 6-1
W Fish 6-3 3-6 2-6 6-3 6-4

HENMAN TMS TITLE 2003:

R1 Davydenko 6-3 6-4
R2 Grosjean 3-6 6-4 7-5
R3 Kuerten 6-4 6-2
QF Federer 7-6 6-1
SF Roddick (equpped with FH) 7-6 7-6
W Pavel 6-2 7-6 7-6

Come on, which of these is more prestigious? :lol:

Pretty good till the F, shame that Pavel was ranked #191 at that moment.

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 02:53 AM
Three slam winners and 3 TMS champions in the field Henman beat, and two slam winners and four average players in Massu's.

Pavel has achieved far more than any of the current Chileno mug squad.

Albop
07-31-2008, 02:54 AM
Three slam winners and 3 TMS champions in the field Henman beat, and two slam winners and four average players in Massu's

Pavel has achieved far more than any of the current Chileno mug squad.

Did i said that the olympic medal is more important? No.

But of course if you beloved mug Henman won a Ms the Ms are more important.

Mug.

jayjay
07-31-2008, 02:56 AM
Massu would swap Olympics for TMS, where you have to beat top players consistently in one week. His gold medal, I mean, Mardy Fish in the final? Awesome.

Er...so at the Olympics you don't have to beat top players in one week to win gold? I guess all those top players who entered the Olympics last time around and this time around just don't count then seeing as they didn't reach the final.

~*BGT*~
07-31-2008, 02:56 AM
Of course it does.

No, it proves that one man took advantage of a weak draw, but that can happen at any tournament.

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 02:59 AM
Did i said that the olympic medal is more important? No.

But of course if you beloved mug Henman won a Ms the Ms are more important.

Mug.

Not just Henman, you stupid mug.

The 2002 Canada TMS Canas won was a far bigger achievement than Mugsu's average draw in Athens.

jayjay
07-31-2008, 03:00 AM
Come on, which of these is more prestigious? :lol:

So you just base prestige on who was beaten on the way to the title, the title itself you don't immediately assign prestige to? So in your eyes, a guy can win a GS one year but it won't be prestigious because he may not have had to beat the world number 1 and 2 on the way, but for another guy who did then it's prestigious?

Be consistent.

Massu looks pretty underwhelmed by winning a gold medal (his 2nd in less than 24hrs) for Chile, doesn't he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjMIWVbZ3CY

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 03:01 AM
Er...so at the Olympics you don't have to beat top players in one week to win gold? I guess all those top players who entered the Olympics last time around and this time around just don't count then seeing as they didn't reach the final.

Obviously they weren't taking it that seriously were they? Hewitt skipped it and Federer lost to a man he completely owns and could beat left handed/one legged. Rodduck lost poorly and isn't playing this year.

TMS > Olympics.

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 03:01 AM
No, it proves that one man took advantage of a weak draw, but that can happen at any tournament.

Tells a lot about the depth of the tournament, a reflection of how players see it.

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 03:02 AM
So you just base prestige on who was beaten on the way to the title, the title itself you don't immediately assign prestige to? So in your eyes, a guy can win a GS one year but it won't be prestigious because he may not have had to beat the world number 1 and 2 on the way, but for another guy who did then it's prestigious?

Be consistent.

Massu looks pretty underwhelmed by winning a gold medal (his 2nd in less than 24hrs) for Chile, doesn't he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjMIWVbZ3CY

Of course it depends on the draw. You can get stupid TMS like Boredo's fluke win where he beats chokers/mugs, or you can get one-time TMS champions who beat incredibly good fields, like Henman, Canas and Pavel.

jayjay
07-31-2008, 03:07 AM
Obviously they weren't taking it that seriously were they?

Yeah, obviously.

Did you even watch any of the matches?

Hewitt skipped it

Oh right, so because Hewitt missed it then clearly it doesn't mean anything.

Federer lost to a man he completely owns and could beat left handed/one legged.

Yes, of course. Roger Federer went to the Olympics and carried his flag around for his country and then tanked when the tennis started. Spot on. Your argument is flawless. Kudos.

Rodduck lost poorly and isn't playing this year.

Yep, again I find it hard to argue. If Andy Roddick chooses not to play then the title is of no significance. Rafael Nadal will be disappointed to learn he has only won 3 French Open's as his 4th this year does not count, afterall Andy Roddick wasn't there.

TMS > Olympics.

If you want to think that, that's fine. I've got no interest in changing your opinion, but you might want to consider that there are many out there - players and fans - who would think it's a pretty fucking big deal to win a gold medal for your country, even if it is in a sport that isn't "traditionally" known as an Olympic one being the pinnacle.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 03:07 AM
Federer lost to a man he completely owns and could beat left handed/one legged.

That was the first time Federer and Berdych met. He took him by surprise if I can say. Plus, back in 2004-2005 Berdych was no shit on HC. I can tell you that Fed certainly not tanked the match.

Albop
07-31-2008, 03:09 AM
Obviously they weren't taking it that seriously were they? Hewitt skipped it and Federer lost to a man he completely owns and could beat left handed/one legged. Rodduck lost poorly and isn't playing this year.

TMS > Olympics.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Federer%2C+Roger&player2=berdych (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Federer%2C+Roger&player2=berdych)

Nice logic :yeah:

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 03:09 AM
Roddick was the second best player in the world in 2004, and he didn't really seem arsed against Crapzalez, did he?

jayjay
07-31-2008, 03:10 AM
Roddick was the second best player in the world in 2004, and he didn't really seem arsed against Crapzalez, did he?

And that's your argument is it?

You'd make a great lawyer.

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 03:11 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Federer%2C+Roger&player2=berdych (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Federer%2C+Roger&player2=berdych)

Nice logic. :yeah:

The results since mean nothing then? :confused: Berdych is way overhyped.

cool bird1
07-31-2008, 03:12 AM
Well i think that you would not get this sort of reaction if Masshu had won a TMS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uuU2oJCPTc&feature=related

Albop
07-31-2008, 03:12 AM
I cannot call a person "idiot" at GM?

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 03:14 AM
Well i think that you would not get this sort of reaction if Masshu had won a TMS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uuU2oJCPTc&feature=related

Rhetorical because he would never win a TMS because he sucks.

Sebby
07-31-2008, 03:15 AM
Berdych is way overhyped.

Berdych won a TMS :p

Albop
07-31-2008, 03:15 AM
Roddick was the second best player in the world in 2004, and he didn't really seem arsed against Crapzalez, did he?

Roddick's happiness after Gonzalez defeat to Fish says it all.

RagingLamb
07-31-2008, 03:16 AM
I cannot call a person "idiot" at GM?

no, it counts as a personal attack.

thanks.

jayjay
07-31-2008, 03:18 AM
Rhetorical because he would never win a TMS because he sucks.

Just out of interest are you even aware Massu has made a TMS final?

Your whole sloppy argument just comes across as a very simplistic "if a big name didn't win the tournament then it can't have meant much".

rocketassist
07-31-2008, 03:19 AM
Just out of interest are you even aware Massu has made a TMS final?

Your whole sloppy argument just comes across as a very simplistic "if a big name didn't win the tournament then it can't have meant much".

Were Pavel and Canas big names? No, but they beat great players to win their TMS shield.

jayjay
07-31-2008, 03:24 AM
Were Pavel and Canas big names? No, but they beat great players to win their TMS shield.

Is it Massu's fault that Federer got knocked out early? Does it mean his gold medal is meaningless because he didn't beat Federer? Does Nadal's Toronto TMS become meaningless because he didn't beat Djokovic or Federer?

A player doesn't control the results of others, only his own. The field for the last Olympics was as strong as any TMS, the field for this year's Olympics is as strong as any TMS. Whoever wins deserves it. It's as simple as that.

Whether you think in the grand scheme of things it is more worthy of a TMS or Slam or not is one thing, what you can't deny (which you are seemingly trying to do) is that the process and field is any different. It isn't.

cmurray
07-31-2008, 03:24 AM
Check this thread:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=128906

:haha: OK, that was pretty funny. :D

cobalt60
07-31-2008, 01:07 PM
The thread title should be changed since all are now discussing the importance or lack thereof of the Olympics ;) There already is a thread somewhere on GM in this regard but I guess one can rehash it all over again :p

As far as Massu is concerned; it was a very important win ( both golds) and means much to him for many many reasons. His career will be defined by those golds and he will be in record books. And 4 years later it still carries the same importance to him. Doubtful that he will do much more in the world of tennis at his age.

So the medals won have very different significance for the individuals who won them.

kiwi10is
07-31-2008, 03:56 PM
I think it all depends on the player. For some Olympia means everything. I can tell that Nicolas Kiefer is crazy about it. For weeks every 2nd of his words has been "olympia"... For others like Roddick or Haas it doesn't mean a lot so they don't play. But I am sure the players who will take part in the Olympics really feel the olympic spirit and winning a medal means a lot to them. I don't think any player would travel around the world 1 week before a grand slam for a tournament that doesn't mean anything to him. And you have 9 masters series tournaments per year but Olympic games only once in 4 years. The fact that some fans in this thread even remembered Mecir winning it 20 years ago shows that you can write history with it ;-)

Sebby
07-31-2008, 04:02 PM
I think it all depends on the player. For some Olympia means everything. I can tell that Nicolas Kiefer is crazy about it. For weeks every 2nd of his words has been "olympia"... For others like Roddick or Haas it doesn't mean a lot so they don't play. But I am sure the players who will take part in the Olympics really feel the olympic spirit and winning a medal means a lot to them. I don't think any player would travel around the world 1 week before a grand slam for a tournament that doesn't mean anything to him. And you have 9 masters series tournaments per year but Olympic games only once in 4 years. The fact that some fans in this thread even remembered Mecir winning it 20 years ago shows that you can write history with it ;-)

:yeah: :rocker:

GlennMirnyi
07-31-2008, 06:20 PM
Is it Massu's fault that Federer got knocked out early? Does it mean his gold medal is meaningless because he didn't beat Federer? Does Nadal's Toronto TMS become meaningless because he didn't beat Djokovic or Federer?

A player doesn't control the results of others, only his own. The field for the last Olympics was as strong as any TMS, the field for this year's Olympics is as strong as any TMS. Whoever wins deserves it. It's as simple as that.

Whether you think in the grand scheme of things it is more worthy of a TMS or Slam or not is one thing, what you can't deny (which you are seemingly trying to do) is that the process and field is any different. It isn't.

Definitely. Joke draw, total aberration.

Damn
07-31-2008, 10:26 PM
Definitely. Joke draw, total aberration.

What a shame that Stepanek wasn't there to put some order and kick Nadal's ass, no?

He lost to the Mighty LaLo in 1R, a true disgrace.

jenanun
07-31-2008, 10:53 PM
olympics

krakenzero
08-01-2008, 01:53 AM
Olympics. You have 40 chances to win any TMS per every Olympic gold. I find particularly funny that if Roddick or Federer would have won the gold in Athens (they were defeated by Gonzalez and Berdych, 2 players with extraordinary "peak" games), this won't even be discussed.

Albop
08-17-2008, 09:24 PM
Bump



TMS > Olympics.

Really?

decrepitude
08-17-2008, 10:26 PM
i can tell you with a relatively very high degree of confidence that Fed will pull out of the olympics if he fails to win this title here in Cincy.

he may pull out even if he wins Cincy masters. he will try to regroup and get some rest in order to show up fresh for the U.S. Open. its far more important than the olympic medal.

Bumped threads can be quite fun.

rocketassist
08-17-2008, 10:41 PM
Bump



Really?

On a tennis scale yes- Massu is not remembered much compared to players who have won a TMS such as Nalbandian, Henman, Davydenko, Canas.

Nadal has won gold but he has also backed it up in Paris, Wimbledon and won TMS'es galore, so it looks good alongside them.