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Cincy R2: Federer barely survives Ginepri 6-7(2) 7-6(5) 6-0

LinkMage
07-29-2008, 10:10 PM
Ginepri was serving for the match at 6-5 in the 2nd set but made some horrible UEs to gift the break back.


Fedmug was horrible. :o

MIMIC
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Genepri was really attacking Federer during the 1st and 2nd sets. He would unsuccessfully serve for the match, however. He got a little anxious during the 2nd set tiebreak and Federer subsequently started to get a better feel in the match.

Double faults plagued Genepri in the 3rd set. He imploded and Federer trounced him. His quality of tennis dropped significantly. He called the trainer and seemed deflated overall.

osalsyst
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Okay...so Federer blew it in the first set but Ginepri not serving the match was far more pivotal and certainly more memorable. Almost another very bad for Roger.

Nice serving Robby! :)

G4.
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
never in doubt , Federer was in total control

miura
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
I was scared!

KitinovRules
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
This Ruben Ramirez Mugepri is very good

adee-gee
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Only one GOAT out there and it wasn't Federer.

Poor Ginepri, undone merely by a choke and then an illness in the 3rd, credit to him for playing it out when he could barely move.

tennizen
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Fed needed this win. But he is really playing terribly. Painful to watch.

Voo de Mar
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Federer struggles.

TheBoiledEgg
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Fed escaped by the skin of his teeth

i swear i saw Mirka crying at one point or was it sun in her eyes :spit:

Black Adam
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Horrible choke from Ginepri when serving for the match. He never won a game after that and you see it coming.

tkcom
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Genie choked. So sad.

schorsch
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
fed's lucky gine is a douche :lol:

star_of_dusk
07-29-2008, 10:14 PM
I really see no clear winner...blah...

octatennis
07-29-2008, 10:14 PM
expected...

maconick
07-29-2008, 10:16 PM
same shit

Jaz
07-29-2008, 10:16 PM
Well, the shots are still there for Federer.

He's just not together mentally...

Corey Feldman
07-29-2008, 10:17 PM
Just more convinced that Fed is wrapping himself in cotton wool too much for Olympics/Us Open

TheBoiledEgg
07-29-2008, 10:18 PM
why the hell is this thread merged with one from 3 yrs ago :rolleyes:

Bibir
07-29-2008, 10:19 PM
Woww four threads already!

green25814
07-29-2008, 10:20 PM
The second set was massive mentally for fed. He played poorly, but its clearly mental more than anything. I predict he will improve now.

Ginepri was surprisingly good. He played awesome but for one game in the second, and then did what djoker will never do and toughed out the third set even though he was certain to lose with illness.

dylan24
07-29-2008, 10:20 PM
stoner or freak will fuck fed up in the next round

prafull
07-29-2008, 10:22 PM
Nice choke by Ginepri at 6-5 in the second set. Even my Dog could have hit winners on those two awful slices by Federer :D

OSmeone
07-29-2008, 10:23 PM
ha! the two match threads merged!

edit: Federer did well to fight on in the second set despite missing so many chances, but he really needs to sort out his backhand return on break points, they're always going into the net.

MIMIC
07-29-2008, 10:24 PM
LOL...two matches marged

Okonsky
07-29-2008, 10:24 PM
Horrible choke from Ginepri when serving for the match. He never won a game after that and you see it coming.

:yeah:

Mashachosen1
07-29-2008, 10:25 PM
:eek: Play better on the next round Roger

LinkMage
07-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Wow! Great merging mods.

Merging the thread of this match with the thread of the match Fed played Ginepri in Cincy in 2005. :retard:

Sebby
07-29-2008, 10:32 PM
Wow! Great merging mods.

Merging my thread with the match result from the match Fed played Ginepri in Cincy in 2005. :retard:

Mods are feeling creative today :lol:


edit: nothing to say about the match.

Fed was pathetic and still struggling.

Raquel
07-29-2008, 10:33 PM
I was gonna say - I'm sure I didn't already post about this match :lol:

Roger :eek: Each match is an ordeal to watch these days. Thanks goodness he scraped through.

Matt01
07-29-2008, 10:34 PM
ginepri played the best match of his life, fedex played like crap

hence the scoreline


And Ginepri is still getting a bagel from Federer :lol:

I mean seriously, Ginepri was serving for the match, but then he suddenly shits in his pants, gets "injured" and chokes the match away.

What a mug :rolleyes:

LuckyFed. He would have lost against any other play today...

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:34 PM
Wow! Great merging mods.

Merging the thread of this match with the thread of the match Fed played Ginepri in Cincy in 2005. :retard:

:help: :help: :help: Someone's been smoking too much weed out there today.

green25814
07-29-2008, 10:35 PM
:yeah:

He was clearly ill. Must players wouldnt have continued :o

green25814
07-29-2008, 10:36 PM
And Ginepri is still getting a bagel from Federer :lol:

I mean seriously, Ginepri was serving for the match, but then he suddenly shits in his pants, gets "injured" and chokes the match away.

What a mug :rolleyes:

LuckyFed. He would have lost against any other play today...

If he was faking the injury why would he have stayed on the court and got bageled? :rolleyes:

scoobs
07-29-2008, 10:37 PM
Sorted now. Back to match discussion.

TFan1156
07-29-2008, 10:38 PM
Robby is such a choker. Some things will never change....

Okonsky
07-29-2008, 10:38 PM
He was clearly ill. Must players wouldnt have continued :o

Did you see why I put :yeah:? Fed won, that's only matters for me.

Pfloyd
07-29-2008, 10:39 PM
Federer was bad on his BP conversion more than anything.

I think Ginepri deserves credit for playing a great match as well.

Sure Fed was not at his best, but even if he was, he would've won this match in 2 sets, sure, but they would've been easy sets, IMO.

green25814
07-29-2008, 10:42 PM
Did you see why I put :yeah:? Fed won, that's only matters for me.

oh right, misunderstood you then, sorry :p

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:42 PM
If he was faking the injury why would he have stayed on the court and got bageled? :rolleyes:

Yes, pure nonsense. I think it was rather obvious that he really didn't feel well, whatever it was, a stomach muscle, the heat...

Rather nasty to see so many people bitching about *both* players, here.
The first two sets really did show some great tennis, especially from Ginepri, who perfectly understood how to deal with Roger's serve - stand in front of the baseline and take it very fast and hard. Good stuff, there.
Roger on the other hand, was way too passive and reluctant during the first set. Glad he stepped it up in the second, but still no Stellar Playing there - too many UEs, as usual nowadays.

When Roger was behind a set and a break, I thought he was a goner. An ex-parrot. Pushing up the Daisies. etc.
But no... Fighting Spirit where it is needed, once again. Broke back, held serve, won the TB. Really completely broke down all of Ginepri's confidence, and hence, his good playing. You could easily see how relieved Roger was to be able to pull the Houdini Trick once again, and I'm very, very happy that he indeed managed to do so.

Next up, Karlovic. No easy task either. I hope Roger has gained some confidence from this very hard-fought victory. In fact, seeing him smile like he did when signing the camera, I have GOOD hopes on that.

Congrats, Roger, and well done, Robby. :hug: :hug: :hug: TO BOTH.

TMJordan
07-29-2008, 10:42 PM
Poor Bobby :tears:

rofe
07-29-2008, 10:44 PM
FedMug defeats RobbyGoat. Lucky one Fed.

green25814
07-29-2008, 10:46 PM
Yes, pure nonsense. I think it was rather obvious that he really didn't feel well, whatever it was, a stomach muscle, the heat...

Rather nasty to see so many people bitching about both players here. The first two sets really did show some great tennis, especially from Ginepri, who perfectly knew how to deal with Roger's serve - stand in front of the baseline and take it very fast and hard. Good stuff, there.

When Roger was behind a set and a break, I thought he was a goner. An ex-parrot. Pushing up the Daisies. etc.
But no... Fighting Spirit where it is needed, once again. Broke back, held serve, won the TB. Really completely broke down all of Ginepri's confidence, and hence, his good playing. You could easily see how relieved Roger was to be able to pull the Houdini Trick once again, and I'm very, very happy that he indeed managed to do so.

Next up, Karlovic. No easy task either. I hope Roger has gained some confidence from this very hard-fought victory. In fact, seeing him smile like he did when signing the camera, I have GOOD hopes on that.

Congrats, Roger, and well done, Robby. :hug: :hug: :hug: TO BOTH.

I thought he was finished too, mainly because i thought the wimby final broke him mentally, and he didnt have the ability to come back anymore. Thankfully, i was wrong :D

Im hoping this will give him the confidence he needs to move on, that smile at the end was good to see :yeah:

fabolous
07-29-2008, 10:49 PM
The first two sets really did show some great tennis, especially from Ginepri...
come on. i don't have any numbers, but still both players made tons of UE and mishits. someway during the 2nd set, they showed roger had like 4 winners and 15 UEs from his backhand side! ginepri had some stretches during the 2nd set when he couldn't hit 3 balls in a row, still roger couldn't break him.

really nothing exceptional from ginepri here.

Allez
07-29-2008, 10:50 PM
Roger should not have won that match. It does not matter he's not going to get far playing like that. Ginepri jut choked it away. Seriously Fed needs a break. After the USO he should disappear and only play the season ending tournament. This is too painful to watch. :sad:

KoOlMaNsEaN
07-29-2008, 10:52 PM
Federer only won because Robbie choked and his stomach started cramping on him.

Bilbo
07-29-2008, 10:52 PM
federer looked like he doesn't wanted to be on court. maybe the high temperatures have also played a role for him today.

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:54 PM
I thought he was finished too, mainly because i thought the wimby final broke him mentally, and he didnt have the ability to come back anymore. Thankfully, i was wrong :D

It looked like that till at least 6-5 in the second set. What a moment to be able to break *back*!!! :eek: Never expected that at all. And then still a rather tight TB... fantastic stuff from Fed indeed, especially in the Mental Department.

Im hoping this will give him the confidence he needs to move on, that smile at the end was good to see :yeah:

My thoughts exactly.
I don't really give s**t whether he manages to win this tournament or not - Rafa being #1 is a given for me right now, and it couldn't happen to a better player/person - but I was seriously worried that if he'd indeed lose this match, he might have well lost any bit of confidence still left in him, being completely devastated, most probably leading up to him 'Pulling a Borg'. And that's exactly what I DON'T want him to do.

So, I'm very, very happy that he at least managed to deal with that particular major daemon. Many more to follow, though.

gusman890
07-29-2008, 10:57 PM
didn't realize that Greg Norman was playing.

Pepi.
07-29-2008, 10:57 PM
Well done Roger :D

Jelena
07-29-2008, 10:57 PM
To be honest when Ginepri broke in second set, I thought I would need to stay away from GM to not read posts like: Fed is done etc etc. I'm really glad for him that he pulled it out. Now it won't be easy too, but he can do it too.

(10 months ago we wouldn't have posted something like that, I know.)

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 11:00 PM
come on. i don't have any numbers, but still both players made tons of UE and mishits. someway during the 2nd set, they showed roger had like 4 winners and 15 UEs from his backhand side! ginepri had some stretches during the 2nd set when he couldn't hit 3 balls in a row, still roger couldn't break him.

really nothing exceptional from ginepri here.

"Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one." :angel:

Yes, both players made lots of UEs, but there were quite a good number of very nice shots as well. When one plays aggressively, which Ginepri, in particular, did - UEs are sure to follow. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good match IMHO. :shrug:

MacTheKnife
07-29-2008, 11:02 PM
Well Fed played like crap again for most of the match and Ginepri played waaaay over his head. Just to bad he got sick, would liked to have seen a competitive 3rd set. At least pulling this match out may help his confidence. Even he was stunned as some of the shots Ginepri was pulling off in those first two sets. If he played that well all the time he'd be in the top 10 easy.
It will be interesting to see how Fed does in the next round, looks like Karlovic will be up next.

Albatros99
07-29-2008, 11:04 PM
Don't be too hard on Federer. He is playing against two men at the moment: whoever happens to be his rival and against the shadow of Nadal that is very elongated like that of a cypress. (It sounds better in Spanish :p)

MacTheKnife
07-29-2008, 11:08 PM
Don't be too hard on Federer. He is playing against two men at the moment: whoever happens to be his rival and against the shadow of Nadal that is very elongated like that of a cypress. (It sounds better in Spanish :p)

That's way to deep for MTF.. :worship:

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 11:08 PM
Well Fed played like crap again for most of the match and Ginepri played waaaay over his head. Just to bad he got sick, would liked to have seen a competitive 3rd set. At least pulling this match out may help his confidence. Even he was stunned as some of the shots Ginepri was pulling off in those first two sets. If he played that well all the time he'd be in the top 10 easy.
It will be interesting to see how Fed does in the next round, looks like Karlovic will be up next.

Nice to see someone having some kind words for Ginepri... :yeah:

njnetswill
07-29-2008, 11:09 PM
I expect Roger to beat Ivo 7-6 7-6, but then crash out to Roddick as the American crowd cheers and MTF laments the end of tennis. :scared:

ChinoRios4Ever
07-29-2008, 11:10 PM
expected... choke

GlennMirnyi
07-29-2008, 11:19 PM
Frauderer is just still ashamed of that ridiculous and pathetic performance he pulled in Wimbledon.

Smash.
07-29-2008, 11:28 PM
wow...please either retire or start playing better, Roger :retard:

RogerFan82
07-29-2008, 11:38 PM
Spartan stuff from Roger !!!!!:bigclap::bigclap:

But seriously Fed, (I know you have a history of either losing early or going all way, after gritting out tough wins, here in cincy), you have to step up big time to beat Ivo on thursday.

RogandyFan
07-29-2008, 11:40 PM
Yes, pure nonsense. I think it was rather obvious that he really didn't feel well, whatever it was, a stomach muscle, the heat...

Rather nasty to see so many people bitching about *both* players, here.
The first two sets really did show some great tennis, especially from Ginepri, who perfectly understood how to deal with Roger's serve - stand in front of the baseline and take it very fast and hard. Good stuff, there.
Roger on the other hand, was way too passive and reluctant during the first set. Glad he stepped it up in the second, but still no Stellar Playing there - too many UEs, as usual nowadays.

When Roger was behind a set and a break, I thought he was a goner. An ex-parrot. Pushing up the Daisies. etc.
But no... Fighting Spirit where it is needed, once again. Broke back, held serve, won the TB. Really completely broke down all of Ginepri's confidence, and hence, his good playing. You could easily see how relieved Roger was to be able to pull the Houdini Trick once again, and I'm very, very happy that he indeed managed to do so.

Next up, Karlovic. No easy task either. I hope Roger has gained some confidence from this very hard-fought victory. In fact, seeing him smile like he did when signing the camera, I have GOOD hopes on that.

Congrats, Roger, and well done, Robby. :hug: :hug: :hug: TO BOTH.

When Ginepri was serving for the match, I thought fed was going to go for it and shank those return into the net like he did in his recent losses. This is something he can learn from Nadal, make them win it at times. Those stubborn forehand UEs (the same shots that keep going wide on the Ad court) at 5-5 is a pain to watch. Robbi was playing great though, the slice backhand pass in the beginning was very nice.

Guy Haines
07-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Smooth sailing for Federer until at least the the semis now.

Once Ginepri went from grinder to quitter, the sky finally stopped falling.

dorkino
07-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Played awfully, barely putting any spirit in the first set and doing the least in the other two. Lucky to win with this but at the end of the day, Federer passes again. And guess this match result under the circumstances can boost his confidence for more.

Havok
07-29-2008, 11:48 PM
Way to choke Robbie!!:dance::aparty:

DhammaTiger
07-29-2008, 11:56 PM
This is open season on Federer. He really was playing awful in the second set. I didn't watch the first set, so can't say anything. Just spraying balls all over the place. Poor Ginepri choked while serving for the match, but had really great shots. the commentator said something like Ginepri had bad stomach and you could see he was in distress in the third set and could hardly move. to be honest Federer should have lost because he wasn't the better player. All credit to Ginepri he didn't quit.

Ivanatis
07-29-2008, 11:57 PM
wow that was close

RagingLamb
07-30-2008, 12:40 AM
horrible match by Fed. hopefully the win will give his confidence some boost.

Lurker011
07-30-2008, 12:46 AM
if federer doesnt fire his coach,he is toast for the rest of the year. he needs a real coach during this point in his career. this guy isnt even playing like the real federer.

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 12:48 AM
This is open season on Federer. He really was playing awful in the second set. I didn't watch the first set, so can't say anything. Just spraying balls all over the place. Poor Ginepri choked while serving for the match, but had really great shots. the commentator said something like Ginepri had bad stomach and you could see he was in distress in the third set and could hardly move. to be honest Federer should have lost because he wasn't the better player. All credit to Ginepri he didn't quit.

No, not true at all. Fed wasn't at all playing that horrible, it was rather Ginepri playing REALLY WELL. But Roger's true Fighting Spirit helped him to pull it out. Give credits where they are due, even if it concerns Federer, I'd like to say. ;)
Fed managed to break Ginepri when he was down one set, one break in the second set. At that time, there was nothing wrong with Robby. So attributing Robby's loss of the second set to his injury isn't really fair I'd say.
That injury only showed up when he was down 0-3 in the THIRD set.
Be fair, for a bit, even if it's apparently difficult to do so. ;)

horrible match by Fed. hopefully the win will give his confidence some boost.

No. Ginepri played very, very well indeed. Of course, Fed showed off his terrible shankings at many points, but one should be able to give Ginepri the credits that he truly deserves. Shouldn't be too hard to do so.

Regenbogen
07-30-2008, 12:48 AM
Federer was definitely the worse player most of the time...I'm glad he got through but seriously, he still has to figure some things out.

RagingLamb
07-30-2008, 12:53 AM
No, not true at all. Fed wasn't at all playing that horrible, it was rather Ginepri playing REALLY WELL. But Roger's true Fighting Spirit helped him to pull it out. Give credits where they are due, even if it concerns Federer, I'd like to say. ;)
Fed managed to break Ginepri when he was down one set, one break in the second set. At that time, there was nothing wrong with Robby. So attributing Robby's loss of the second set to his injury isn't really fair I'd say.
That injury only showed up when he was down 0-3 in the THIRD set.
Be fair, for a bit, even if it's apparently difficult to do so. ;)



No. Ginepri played very, very well indeed. Of course, Fed showed off his terrible shankings at many points, but one should be able to give Ginepri the credits that he truly deserves. Shouldn't be too hard to do so.

I don't have the match stats. But from watching the first two sets and up to 3-0 in the second, Federer was playing very poorly. He made a lot of errors, especially backhand errors, and he wasn't playing with any confidence. His UE's don't have much to do with Ginepri.

Ginepri completely went away after the second set tie-break. So Federer got lucky.

ranaldo
07-30-2008, 12:54 AM
Come on Papagena, Roger was awful. Just type Roger 2005 on youtube and you'll go: 'aah that's how he used to play'. His movement is totally absent, on the backhand especially it's frightening. he just needs to get his basics back,

tennizen
07-30-2008, 12:57 AM
No, not true at all. Fed wasn't at all playing that horrible, it was rather Ginepri playing REALLY WELL. But Roger's true Fighting Spirit helped him to pull it out. Give credits where they are due, even if it concerns Federer, I'd like to say. ;)
Fed managed to break Ginepri when he was down one set, one break in the second set. At that time, there was nothing wrong with Robby. So attributing Robby's loss of the second set to his injury isn't really fair I'd say.
That injury only showed up when he was down 0-3 in the THIRD set.
Be fair, for a bit, even if it's apparently difficult to do so. ;)



No. Ginepri played very, very well indeed. Of course, Fed showed off his terrible shankings at many points, but one should be able to give Ginepri the credits that he truly deserves. Shouldn't be too hard to do so.

I don't think this is about Ginepri receiving credit or not. Federer played very poorly in the first two sets especially the second. Even the stats they showed for the sets confirm that. Ginepri took advantage of Fed's poor play but that's about it.

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 12:58 AM
I don't have the match stats. But from watching the first two sets and up to 3-0 in the second, Federer was playing very poorly. He made a lot of errors, especially backhand errors, and he wasn't playing with any confidence. His UE's don't have much to do with Ginepri.

Ginepri completely went away after the second set tie-break. So Federer got lucky.

Well, I'd rather like to give the guy playing BETTER the credits, than slag off his opponent. Guess that's just me. :angel:

Come on Papagena, Roger was awful. Just type Roger 2005 on youtube and you'll go: 'aah that's how he used to play'. His movement is totally absent, on the backhand especially it's frightening. he just needs to get his basics back,

I never said he was playing well during those first two sets. I only want to emphasize that 'one only plays as well as one's opponent LETS YOU', and yes, for this matter, I rather give credits to Ginepri than bash Federer.
A matter of personal style I guess. :shrug:

safinalium
07-30-2008, 01:06 AM
Ginepri shouldn't be underestimated. Agreed that it was a poor performance by Roger but Ginepri was very good. Give him more credit.

I expect another tough match against Karlovic

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 01:19 AM
I don't think this is about Ginepri receiving credit or not. Federer played very poorly in the first two sets especially the second. Even the stats they showed for the sets confirm that. Ginepri took advantage of Fed's poor play but that's about it.

Well I think it is.
Roger actually didn't play at all that badly in the second (I have to agree with the 1st though), and comfortably held his serve in most games.

What's up with all of you continuously wanting to downplay Roger's achievement by saying Ginepri was bad?

In MY book, that's in fact an insult to both players. :shrug:
Ever thought of the idea that both tried as best as they could, given the circumstances? :wavey:

Bernard Black
07-30-2008, 01:22 AM
Well I think it is.
Roger actually didn't play at all that badly in the second (I have to agree with the 1st though), and comfortably held his serve in most games.

What's up with all of you continuously wanting to downplay Roger's achievement by saying Ginepri was bad?

In MY book, that's in fact an insult to both players. :shrug:
Ever thought of the idea that both tried as best as they could, given the circumstances? :wavey:

Optimistic as ever, bless you ;)

Federer tends to get on a roll after scraping through these close matches, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a dominating performance against Karlovic in the next round.

Merton
07-30-2008, 01:23 AM
Expected Cincy wreck from Roger, just recall his previous masterpieces against Kiefer (2005) and Baghdatis (2007). He should have a bye now until the semis, but there will be more horror show to come.

leng jai
07-30-2008, 01:39 AM
The underdog won.

idolwatcher1
07-30-2008, 01:39 AM
I don't have the match stats. But from watching the first two sets and up to 3-0 in the [third set], Federer was playing very poorly. He made a lot of errors, especially backhand errors, and he wasn't playing with any confidence. His UE's don't have much to do with Ginepri.
Did you not realize Roger served 21 aces? :confused: I'm sure Ginepri would've liked to serve maybe 14 of those...

Ginepri was one of only five Top 100 players who hadn't been served a bagel in over three years... He had a game point in the 3rd set, but he couldn't get the next point. Too bad he was not feeling well... too much anxiety for him.

Federer had this to say after the match: "I mean I actually played okay I thought throughout the match. I Just missed some opportunities. I thought I was the better player actually throughout the match. I was down a set and 6-5 with the break. So it was dangerous today no doubt, but I believed in my chance all the way to the end."

Robby is one of the tour players known for choking, so even if he got into the unlikely position of leading against Federer, like he did in Cincy 2005 before the rain delay, there's almost no way he's going to keep it. He lacks the belief, and just doesn't have the calmness inside of him to keep it together when he needs to the most.
I wrote that yesterday in the poll thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7415333&postcount=30). Robby was 3 points away from winning the match in straight sets. It's those crucial points that he typically plays the worst in... :help: It's kept him from the W many times before.

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 01:51 AM
Optimistic as ever, bless you ;)

Thanks. You know, "that which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" :D
I lost at least some ten years of my life this evening. :angel:

Federer tends to get on a roll after scraping through these close matches, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a dominating performance against Karlovic in the next round.

I hope you are right. Whether he manages to defend his #1 or not (I'd say 99% chances that he won't) doesn't matter to me, but it would surely break my heart to see him Pull A Borg. So, here's all the good vibes for Roger to do well in his match against Dr. Ivo, whatever it's worth! :D

RogerFan82
07-30-2008, 02:08 AM
Karin, Cheer up. There is life in the old dog yet !!!! No chance of Roger pulling a Borg !!!

prima donna
07-30-2008, 02:22 AM
Stop whining and just enjoy the tennis, enough with the sentimental nonsense.

As if it'd be a Greek tragedy if Roger were to lose the #1 ranking or some event of meteroic proportions, what really counts is how many slams he ends his career with -- judging by some of the posts in this thread it's as if fans actually form an emotional bond with players, loving and caring for them as if they were family members or close friends.

Roger once upon a time played beautiful tennis, many of us fell in love with that brand of tennis, but if he's going to start playing horrific tennis, then he deserves the results, this unconditional and melodramatic Rogermania is just laughable, more or less the same level of reasoning is applicable to Nadal -- he loses and people start with the sad faces instead of discussing what he did wrong in a particular match, e.g. Wimbledon 2007.

These are obscenely wealthy sportsmen, frankly, who really gives a shit about what they're feeling inside.

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 02:22 AM
Karin, Cheer up. There is life in the old dog yet !!!! No chance of Roger pulling a Borg !!!

:lol: man, nothing could cheer me up more this night than seeing Roger signing that camera, so that Nasty Job is already done with! :hug:

I share my joy with you, indeed! I was looking out for the Total Redemption to appear this evening, but fortunately, it didn't happen.

DISCLAIMER: YES, Rafa truly deserves to be the #1 right now, but that doens't mean I'd like to see Roger 'Pull A Borg' out of shere disappointment... ;)

littleash
07-30-2008, 02:36 AM
roger :scared:

rafa_maniac
07-30-2008, 02:40 AM
Roger will still win this tournament, when he survives the early round nightmare, he usually wins. Last year he played a horrid match against Baghdatis which was practically handed to him.

bad gambler
07-30-2008, 02:43 AM
Hope that was Roger's bad match of the tournament out of the way

calvinhobbes
07-30-2008, 02:55 AM
In the edge of the knife! Too bad for Roger to play every match under the pressure of being miserably trashed to the last corner if he doesn´t play good. This makes him highly vulnerable and paralyzes his best shots. On the other side, we saw Ginepri fresh and nonchalant (at least until the final game of the second set), ready to take with smooth easyness whatever comes to him. It is a hell of an uneven match. Bad luck for Fed to be still No.1. When he gets rid of this burden and of his one-handed backhand, I hope we´ll see the real champion he once was and the best tennis on earth.:sad::sad::sad:

lina_seta
07-30-2008, 03:00 AM
hooollyyy
im so glad i was watching batman instead... this would have given me a heart attack!
i left when fed lost the first set and was 2-2 tied in the second....

looks like some serious mental safin action out there by fed.
fed choked away the first set... but surprisingly the biggest choke was yet to come.
luckily for fed.

lina_seta
07-30-2008, 03:08 AM
Roger will still win this tournament, when he survives the early round nightmare, he usually wins. Last year he played a horrid match against Baghdatis which was practically handed to him.

i still remember that...
everyone was saying how it goes down as the WORST match of the year back then

ReturnWinner
07-30-2008, 03:09 AM
Lucky win as usual

rocketassist
07-30-2008, 03:33 AM
Fed-Baghdatis, what a wonderful exhibition of shotmaking that match was. I want it on DVD.

Seriously, a nice result to dig out, although he probably didn't play well at all, what he needs at the moment is wins, and he will beat Karlovic, no question.

Knightmace
07-30-2008, 03:36 AM
Fed needs to fire that coach of his! WHat's eh still doing!

dam0dred
07-30-2008, 04:13 AM
This is starting to get scary. Wake up Roger for fuck's sake.

jcempire
07-30-2008, 04:17 AM
bad luck, this is really bad; But I guess Robby would come back to Top 20 if he's 100% heathly

hablovah19
07-30-2008, 04:21 AM
Get it together, Fed. :unsure:

peterparker
07-30-2008, 04:31 AM
The parts I saw, some of the first set, ginepri was hitting a bigger ball off the forehand, was dictating play and attacking fed's second serve. It's going to be messy if he runs into Murray in the semis.

Scotso
07-30-2008, 05:10 AM
Damnit.

finishingmove
07-30-2008, 05:22 AM
lucky one fed.

BlueSwan
07-30-2008, 06:33 AM
Let's face it: Federer has been terrible on hard courts this year. He had a strong clay season and a good grass season. His early hard court season was horrible and his late hard court season is off to an even worse start.

Daniel
07-30-2008, 07:46 AM
A win is a win.

:yeah: :)

Lopez
07-30-2008, 07:47 AM
What I liked about Fed in this match was that when his topspin backhand was sucking, especially at the end of the second set, he started slicing the ball instead of stubbornly spraying UEs trying to hit topspin. Ginepri was having problems with Fed's low slices, esp. on the backhand side, funny how Roger didn't seem to realize that until it was too late.

Kudos Rog, do well here and stay as no1. as long as possible. Really wouldn't like to see Nadal there...

Fedexex
07-30-2008, 08:20 AM
Fed:tape::woohoo:

a win is a win:angel:

jazar
07-30-2008, 09:13 AM
roger got lucky. even in the 3rd set when ginepri had his stomach problem, provided the rally got going he was still kind of dominating the rallies. but maybe this is what federer needs and maybe he'll go and blitz dr ivo next round

Eden
07-30-2008, 09:34 AM
This is open season on Federer. He really was playing awful in the second set. I didn't watch the first set, so can't say anything. Just spraying balls all over the place. Poor Ginepri choked while serving for the match, but had really great shots.

It's a bit disappointing that you join in the usual "Federer's opponent choked" crap on GM, Ali. Federer had a lot of BPs on Ginepris serve in the 2nd set, so it's not that surprising that he finally was able to break him.

I don't deny that Ginepri probably felt the pressure of closing out the match, but all those choking comments on GM are really annoying.

Why not giving Federer a bit of credit for staying in the match? I mean his selfconfidence and trust in his game must be quite low after the last weeks, therefore I'm just happy that he came through such a close match.



the commentator said something like Ginepri had bad stomach and you could see he was in distress in the third set and could hardly move

Yes, it was obvious that Ginepri didn't felt well in the 3rd set. Credit for him not to retire. Hopefully he gets well soon.


to be honest Federer should have lost because he wasn't the better player.

:shrug:

Match summary

1st serve % Federer 65% * Ginepri 60 %
Aces Federer 21 * Ginepri 7
Double faults Federer 2 * Ginepri 3
1st serve points won Federer 82% * Ginepri 63%
2nd serve points won Federer 48% * Ginepri 44%
Total winners Federer 58 * Ginepri 29
Unforced errors Federer 40 * Ginepri 41
Break points won Federer 6/16 * Ginepri 3/6
Total points won Federer 124 * Ginepri 100

Roger didn't played well, but most of the matches against Ginepri in the past weren't a walk in the park either. Beside this he had such kind of matches even in his dominant time when he didn't played outstanding tennis and got pushed to 3 sets by a player

I just want to mention 3 matches from 2006, where this was the case: In Halle against Rochus, in Tokio against Suzuki, in Basel against Scrichapan.

People seem to have forgottten that matches...

sennoc
07-30-2008, 01:38 PM
Nadal "barely survives" a match - "WOW, OMG, VAMOS - WHAT A FIGHTER!!!"
Federer "barely survives" a match - "HE'S LUCKY! HIS OPPONENT IS A CHOKER!"

Stupidity and relativity at their best.

Ays25
07-30-2008, 03:01 PM
federer = overrated
he is between 15th to 20th best player of all times

Mateya
07-30-2008, 03:09 PM
:spit: :spit: :haha: :haha: Can't believe the score.

I'm telling you, most of top 50 players can beat Federer easily now. All you need is a solid baseline game, good serve and you can give Fed a very difficult time anywhere. Then it's only a matter of how big headcase are you, to actualy finish the match. :crazy:

He will probably easily beat all-serve Karlovic now, but then struggle big time against Soderling (or Kohli) in QF. Sooner or later he will be demolished in SF or F, he won't win this title for sure.

finishingmove
07-30-2008, 03:19 PM
He will probably easily beat all-serve Karlovic now, but then struggle big time against Soderling (or Kohli) in QF.

yea because soderling and kohlschreiber are way more versatile than karlovic LOL

Mateya
07-30-2008, 03:30 PM
yea because soderling and kohlschreiber are way more versatile than karlovic LOL

:confused:
Soderling can blow Fed off the court with his groundstrokes, while Karlo can't hit two backhands in a row. Think about it. :)

groundstroke
07-30-2008, 03:31 PM
A win is a win.. 3rd round for Federer now, only a few more matches..

nisha
07-30-2008, 03:32 PM
wtf

Action Jackson
07-30-2008, 03:34 PM
Glad Ginepri didn't win, though Fed has lost to the likes of Fish and Simon this year and Gineprick would have made a great hat trick.

groundstroke
07-30-2008, 03:36 PM
It's nice knowing that no one has acknowledged that this match included a bagel, yet Federer still struggled.

ZakMcCrack
07-30-2008, 03:57 PM
...I didn't watch the first set, so can't say anything...to be honest Federer should have lost because he wasn't the better player...

That's quite inconsequent - on the one hand you admit having missed the first set but then again you make a conclusion based only on your view of the second (and third) set?

groundstroke
07-30-2008, 04:26 PM
That's quite inconsequent - on the one hand you admit having missed the first set but then again you make a conclusion based only on your view of the second (and third) set?
He was awful in the first set.

jonny84
07-30-2008, 05:02 PM
Ginepri must be kicking himself! Serving for the match but alas couldn't pull it off. At least Roger bageled in the final set but Roger I am :scared: for your form.

Allez
07-30-2008, 05:03 PM
Nadal "barely survives" a match - "WOW, OMG, VAMOS - WHAT A FIGHTER!!!"
Federer "barely survives" a match - "HE'S LUCKY! HIS OPPONENT IS A CHOKER!"

Stupidity and relativity at their best.

Wimbledon ? :haha: Even you can see the difference beween the two matches.

platinum
07-30-2008, 05:08 PM
:spit: :spit: :haha: :haha: Can't believe the score.

I'm telling you, most of top 50 players can beat Federer easily now. All you need is a solid baseline game, good serve and you can give Fed a very difficult time anywhere. Then it's only a matter of how big headcase are you, to actualy finish the match. :crazy:

He will probably easily beat all-serve Karlovic now, but then struggle big time against Soderling (or Kohli) in QF. Sooner or later he will be demolished in SF or F, he won't win this title for sure.


Agree. fed won't win Cincy.

rofe
07-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Funny shit from Fed haters. According to MTF, Fed is in his worst slump and yet Ginepri choked against Fed. Of all people he was likely to play, Ginepri should not have choked against Fed. He has always played Fed close and this would have been a easy chance for Ginepri to get a win.

Decide whiners which way you want to go. You can't have it both ways.

platinum
07-30-2008, 05:19 PM
Let's face it: Federer has been terrible on hard courts this year. He had a strong clay season and a good grass season. His early hard court season was horrible and his late hard court season is off to an even worse start.


Fed's best and only chance to win a slam this year was Wimbledon because only Nadal can beat him on grass.... Fed isn't winning the USO. So many players can beat Fed on HC in 2008, unlike on grass and even on clay where he only lost to the worm and Rafito....

groundstroke
07-30-2008, 05:22 PM
I will bump this thread again when Federer wins the Cincinnati title. :)

prima donna
07-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Decide whiners which way you want to go. You can't have it both ways.
Why allow a silly thing such as logic to interfere with an otherwise perfect analysis ?

Mateya
07-30-2008, 05:44 PM
I will bump this thread again when Federer wins the Cincinnati title. :)

Sure. I will give you all my 26k Vcash if Fedmug wins this title.
:sport:
:unsure:

Black Adam
07-30-2008, 06:00 PM
Come to think of it, who was the last big player Fed defeated? A sick Djokovic in Monte Carlo semi? The Davydenko Betfairing loss in Estoril doesn't count. It seems that nobodies are giving him trouble and he hasn't beaten a big player at all this year.

prima donna
07-30-2008, 06:12 PM
A sick Djokovic in Monte Carlo semi?
Inhaling a bit of dust from the clay hardly qualifies as a physical constraint or illness, anyway thanks for stopping by and providing us with your daily sample of trolling.

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 06:31 PM
Funny shit from Fed haters. According to MTF, Fed is in his worst slump and yet Ginepri choked against Fed. Of all people he was likely to play, Ginepri should not have choked against Fed. He has always played Fed close and this would have been a easy chance for Ginepri to get a win.

Top class comedy, indeed. :yeah:
What a nasty disappointment it must have been for the haters, seeing Feddie break back, take the 2nd set in the TB, and rolling over Ginepri thereafter... :ras:

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 06:33 PM
Nadal "barely survives" a match - "WOW, OMG, VAMOS - WHAT A FIGHTER!!!"
Federer "barely survives" a match - "HE'S LUCKY! HIS OPPONENT IS A CHOKER!"

Stupidity and relativity at their best.

Objectivity has never been the strongest point of the characters of haters... :angel:

Eden
07-30-2008, 06:34 PM
Nadal "barely survives" a match - "WOW, OMG, VAMOS - WHAT A FIGHTER!!!"
Federer "barely survives" a match - "HE'S LUCKY! HIS OPPONENT IS A CHOKER!"

Stupidity and relativity at their best.

Wimbledon ? :haha: Even you can see the difference beween the two matches.

Sennoc didn't talked about Wimbledon ;)

You are long enough around on MTF to know the rules: According to some people on GM it is spartan stuff when Nadal wins a close match, but when Federer does the same he sucks and the opponent chokes.

Eden
07-30-2008, 06:35 PM
What a nasty disappointment it must have been for the haters, seeing Feddie break back, take the 2nd set in the TB, and rolling over Ginepri thereafter... :ras:

I wonder how many people had already written a comment about the match and wanted to send it, but then the match turned around ;)

Sunset of Age
07-30-2008, 06:37 PM
I wonder how many people had already written a comment about the match and wanted to send it, but then the match turned around ;)

Haha, I thought about that yesterday... imagine one of those triggerhappy matchthread posters would have done that. :D

Matt01
07-30-2008, 07:28 PM
I will bump this thread again when Federer wins the Cincinnati title. :)


Won't happen :wavey:

And I will bump this thread when he has lost (so probably tomorrow) :)

~Maya~
07-30-2008, 09:57 PM
Federer ( in the postmatch interview)said he played well throughout the match. :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8w5xmhdiTE

Jaz
07-30-2008, 10:08 PM
Federer ( in the postmatch interview)said he played well throughout the match. :confused:

He always says this. IMO, I think he respects his opponent by saying that.

Ceri
07-30-2008, 10:11 PM
grim fed, grim. please pick it up for the next round!

Matt01
07-31-2008, 12:10 AM
He always says this. IMO, I think he respects his opponent by saying that.


Then he should say his opponent played well, instead.

If he really thinks that he played well (which I doubt), then he would be seriously deluded.

idolwatcher1
07-31-2008, 02:24 AM
Then he should say his opponent played well, instead.

If he really thinks that he played well (which I doubt), then he would be seriously deluded.
This is what Roger said:
"I mean, I actually played okay, I thought, throughout the match. I just missed some opportunities. I thought I was the better player, actually, throughout the match."

I fail to see how he's showing respect to the player who was 3 points away from defeating him, but oh well... Jaz seems to think differently...

Of all people he was likely to play, Ginepri should not have choked against Fed. He has always played Fed close and this would have been a easy chance for Ginepri to get a win.
How can you possibly say this or make that assumption? People who have a long history of getting overly nervous when they have a big opportunity to close out a match, aren't suddenly going to "calm down" because they've "been there before". In fact, if anything, it's the opposite! The more they lose to someone, the more magnified the nerves are going to be if/when they do actually have a chance of finally winning against that person. One of the few "cures" for these players in these type of situations are for their opponent to help them out by making errors of showing nerves of their own...

Unfortunately, Ginepri has a well-documented history of "choking" and sometimes doubling the amount of unforced errors he commits when he has the opportunity to close out a match or keep a lead that he's gained. He sought a sports psychologist in July 2005, just before he won Indianapolis that year. But what he would gain from that, he would lose again once he was no longer an "unseeded player" and expectations grew for him.

This is how it played out in the game where Ginepri was serving for the match:

(Ginepri takes some pills during the change-over, presumably for his stomach, just before serving for the match.)
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- nets an easy backhand (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- forehand cross-court long (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve in
RF- forehand return long (unforced error). *point for Ginepri*
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- backhand cross-court long (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve winner. *point for Ginepri*
RG- 1st serve fault
RF- forehand winner just inside the baseline (9-shot rally). *point for Federer* *wins game*

It wasn't like Roger "fought for his life" or "played out of this world" to win that game where Robby was serving for the match. In fact, he reached 2 break points without hitting a single winner or forcing an error from Ginepri. :shrug:

Fedex
07-31-2008, 05:33 AM
Expected result.

A_Skywalker
07-31-2008, 09:00 AM
He always says this. IMO, I think he respects his opponent by saying that.

YOu expect respect from Roger ?

I was watching CNN and they showed short interview with Fed, He said last week he lost a match he should have never lost and this week he should have never lost too.

Basically he is saying, Ginepri and Simon are nothing and that he cant lose, like a God :)

bokehlicious
07-31-2008, 09:01 AM
YOu expect respect from Roger ?

I was watching CNN and they showed short interview with Fed, He said last week he lost a match he should have never lost and this week he should have never lost too.

Basically he is saying, Ginepri and Simon are nothing and that he cant lose, like a God :)

Not like a god. More like God. :cool: :kiss: :)

Benny_Maths
07-31-2008, 09:21 AM
It's amazing how people get all over any of Fed's shortcomings like a rash and dismiss any merit in his game. I mean, this time Fed won due to Ginepri choking while serving for the match, it had nothing to do with Fed's play. Whereas in Canada Fed lost because because Simon never gave in and kept up a higher level of play throughout the match.:rolleyes:

I was watching CNN and they showed short interview with Fed, He said last week he lost a match he should have never lost and this week he should have never lost too.


Up a service break in the final set, all things considered, he certainly shouldn't have lost. You certainly can't argue against that if you believe that Ginepri should've won this match.

Mimi
07-31-2008, 09:38 AM
if roger was playing so well, he should have finished off Simon and Ginepri both in straight sets right? :shrug:
It's amazing how people get all over any of Fed's shortcomings like a rash and dismiss any merit in his game. I mean, this time Fed won due to Ginepri choking while serving for the match, it had nothing to do with Fed's play. Whereas in Canada Fed lost because because Simon never gave in and kept up a higher level of play throughout the match.:rolleyes:



Up a service break in the final set, all things considered, he certainly shouldn't have lost. You certainly can't argue against that if you believe that Ginepri should've won this match.

Benny_Maths
07-31-2008, 09:44 AM
No one is saying that he's in the form of his life at the moment. The point is that he played better than his opponent and so he deserved the win. If you insist that he doesn't, then how could you possibly assert that Fed's opponent deserved the win in Canada?

Sunset of Age
07-31-2008, 09:55 AM
if roger was playing so well, he should have finished off Simon and Ginepri both in straight sets right? :shrug:

Ah, yes, a player playing well ALWAYS wins in straight sets... :rolleyes:
Perhaps his opponents weren't as bad as some people claim here, either? Give credits where it's due, it's not THAT hard.

No one is saying that he's in the form of his life at the moment. The point is that he played better than his opponent and so he deserved the win. If you insist that he doesn't, then how could you possibly assert that Fed's opponent deserved the win in Canada?

Yep. Of course he's not at his best at this moment, a blindfolded mole should be able to see that. People apparently have become used to him steamrolling his opponents, thereby forgetting that he has had match struggles all throughout his career. Eventually, EVERY win for any player is a deserved one.

Fantastic, those double standards. Any other player having a difficult match, it makes them a 'true fighter'. When it's Fed... his opponent obviously choked. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

bokehlicious
07-31-2008, 09:55 AM
No one is saying that he's in the form of his life at the moment. The point is that he played better than his opponent and so he deserved the win. If you insist that he doesn't, then how could you possibly assert that Fed's opponent deserved the win in Canada?

Haters' double standards, never in doubt...

A_Skywalker
07-31-2008, 10:03 AM
Not like a god. More like God. :cool: :kiss: :)

Whatever :p

I am not gey btw ;)

Jelena
07-31-2008, 10:12 AM
Fantastic, those double standards. Any other player having a difficult match, it makes them a 'true fighter'. When it's Fed... his opponent obviously choked. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:
Karin, to be honest, seeing this
This is how it played out in the game where Ginepri was serving for the match:

(Ginepri takes some pills during the change-over, presumably for his stomach, just before serving for the match.)
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- nets an easy backhand (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- forehand cross-court long (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve in
RF- forehand return long (unforced error). *point for Ginepri*
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- backhand cross-court long (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve winner. *point for Ginepri*
RG- 1st serve fault
RF- forehand winner just inside the baseline (9-shot rally). *point for Federer* *wins game*

indicates for me that Ginepri really couldn't cope with the possibility to win against the guy who was nearly unbeatable for nearly everybody for such a long time. I learned a long time ago that a tennis match is only finished when the matchpoint is won, so situations like these are nothing new for me. But I (who followed the match only on sb) would describe it as "played well until he served for the match, then lost the nerves, and then got injured, which helped Roger to bagel him in the final set."

Mimi
07-31-2008, 10:12 AM
i just said roger did not play well, i did not down him by saying him playing bad:rolleyes:, there is a middle way between bad and good, whas more, its roger who did not give credit to Simon, why it is allowed that roger can do this while others can't? who is having double standard? :rolleyes:

Ah, yes, a player playing well ALWAYS wins in straight sets... :rolleyes:
Perhaps his opponents weren't as bad as some people claim here, either? Give credits where it's due, it's not THAT hard.

bokehlicious
07-31-2008, 10:12 AM
I am not gey btw ;)

My shrink is lesbian btw ;)

bokehlicious
07-31-2008, 10:14 AM
i just said roger did not play well, i did not down him by saying him playing bad:rolleyes:, there is a middle way between bad and good, whas more, its roger who did not give credit to Simon, why it is allowed that roger can do this while we can't? :rolleyes:

Of course, by saying that he thought he didn't play that badly he was obviously disrespecting his opponent... :rolleyes: keep it up mimi love :hearts: :yeah:

Mimi
07-31-2008, 10:19 AM
how could my love towards roger deeper than your love towards rafa, you posted in more threads about rafa than me about roger :inlove:

Of course, by saying that he thought he didn't play that badly he was obviously disrespecting his opponent... :rolleyes: keep it up mimi love :hearts: :yeah:

bokehlicious
07-31-2008, 10:20 AM
how could my love towards roger deeper than your love towards rafa, you posted in more threads about rafa than me about roger :inlove:

:scratch: not quite sure on this one... :o :p

Mimi
07-31-2008, 10:21 AM
its so obvious, just ask the moderators or you can do a search :wavey:
:scratch: not quite sure on this one... :o :p

bokehlicious
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
Moderators are mostly Fed haters, I don't speak to them :angel: :o :p

star
07-31-2008, 12:32 PM
Moderators are mostly Fed haters, I don't speak to them :angel: :o :p

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Where's a sarcastic laugh smilie when you need one? :rolleyes:

Langers
07-31-2008, 04:14 PM
Can’t believe Federer almost lost to Robbie FREAKING Ginepri!

Yes he’s on the decline but he didn’t play that badly at Wimbledon under a month ago, so for him to put on this kind of display was just shocking. Backhand was abysmal, missing my miles many times and he hit a number of forehands halfway up the net. As for Ginepri, what a massive, massive choke and had nerves not got the better of him Federer would’ve been sent packing against first up. He served for it at 6-5 in the second set and then choked. Can’t believe he let it slip and you knew the 3rd set was going to be a whitewash because he was exhausted and demorolised. But make no mistake; Federer is a shell of his former self. His movement is much slower and he doesn’t have the consistency in his game anymore. He makes far too many errors and he now has huge misses.

rofe
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
This is what Roger said:
"I mean, I actually played okay, I thought, throughout the match. I just missed some opportunities. I thought I was the better player, actually, throughout the match."

I fail to see how he's showing respect to the player who was 3 points away from defeating him, but oh well... Jaz seems to think differently...


How can you possibly say this or make that assumption? People who have a long history of getting overly nervous when they have a big opportunity to close out a match, aren't suddenly going to "calm down" because they've "been there before". In fact, if anything, it's the opposite! The more they lose to someone, the more magnified the nerves are going to be if/when they do actually have a chance of finally winning against that person. One of the few "cures" for these players in these type of situations are for their opponent to help them out by making errors of showing nerves of their own...

Unfortunately, Ginepri has a well-documented history of "choking" and sometimes doubling the amount of unforced errors he commits when he has the opportunity to close out a match or keep a lead that he's gained. He sought a sports psychologist in July 2005, just before he won Indianapolis that year. But what he would gain from that, he would lose again once he was no longer an "unseeded player" and expectations grew for him.

This is how it played out in the game where Ginepri was serving for the match:

(Ginepri takes some pills during the change-over, presumably for his stomach, just before serving for the match.)
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- nets an easy backhand (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- forehand cross-court long (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve in
RF- forehand return long (unforced error). *point for Ginepri*
RG- 1st serve fault
RG- backhand cross-court long (unforced error). *point for Federer*
RG- 1st serve winner. *point for Ginepri*
RG- 1st serve fault
RF- forehand winner just inside the baseline (9-shot rally). *point for Federer* *wins game*

It wasn't like Roger "fought for his life" or "played out of this world" to win that game where Robby was serving for the match. In fact, he reached 2 break points without hitting a single winner or forcing an error from Ginepri. :shrug:

How do you know that those errors were unforced and not forced? Fed used a lot of deep slices in that game. In that set he hadn't done it much until that game. He completely threw Ginepri's rhythm off with those slices because Ginepri didn't see it coming. In fact, the interviewer asked Fed about the change in tactics in that game.

What you are describing is your perception of what happened in that game not fact. My perception is that Ginepri did not choke but that Fed played a smart game to get the break back.

JolánGagó
07-31-2008, 04:42 PM
Ginepri got sick, people, stop bullshiting at least for a minute.

prima donna
07-31-2008, 04:46 PM
Ginepri got sick, people, stop bullshiting at least for a minute.
Thank you for that brilliant contribution, it's truly worthy of being stored away in the archives of MTF.

JolánGagó
07-31-2008, 04:53 PM
Thank you for that brilliant contribution, it's truly worthy of being stored away in the archives of MTF.

The sophistication of your sarcasm never ceases to amaze :rolleyes:

finishingmove
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
this match is getting too much attention, no?

groundstroke
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
Yeah, way tooooooo much attention. Federer is through, that is all that is important.

ranaldo
07-31-2008, 07:09 PM
Wonder what it will be like when he loses to Karlovic...

idolwatcher1
08-01-2008, 01:25 AM
How do you know that those errors were unforced and not forced? Fed used a lot of deep slices in that game. In that set he hadn't done it much until that game. He completely threw Ginepri's rhythm off with those slices because Ginepri didn't see it coming. In fact, the interviewer asked Fed about the change in tactics in that game.

What you are describing is your perception of what happened in that game not fact. My perception is that Ginepri did not choke but that Fed played a smart game to get the break back.
Rofe, I actually have a definition for "unforced error" that I use to determine what kind of error is being made in a rally. :) I use the same one that Dr. Leo Levin uses, the man who came up with the term "unforced error" in 1982 and has done statistics for all of the major tennis tournaments. He says that an unforced error is "when the player has time to prepare and position himself or herself to get the ball back in play and makes an error. This is a shot that the player would normally get back into play. The real keys here are time and position."
Ginepri was never "out of position" when he committed those errors while serving for the match, and he had enough time to set up his shots to reply, but he still missed them.

In just the two games prior to the one where Ginepri was serving for the match, Federer used a backhand slice five times. Only once did Ginepri mishit the reply, and that just happened to be on one of his break point opportunities... Federer used the backhand slice six times in the game where Ginepri was serving for the match, and four of those times, Ginepri had absolutely no trouble replying to them! You can't then go and claim that Federer "threw Ginepri off" because he "didn't see them coming"... there's absolutely no basis for that claim. If you refuse to acknowledge the accepted definition of an unforced error, then I don't see how your "perception" holds any real value... :shrug: