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If players must play qualifying round, how to decide who is Lucky Loser?

Athletics1982
07-29-2008, 10:08 AM
If players must play qualifying round, how to decide who is Lucky Loser?

In this Cincy case, No. 9 seed Stanislas Wawrinka withdrew due to right knee injury and was replaced by [LL] Arnaud Clement. Mario Ancic withdrew due to illness and was replaced by [LL] Paul Capdeville.

Maybe I can only know that Lucky Loser is who loses in Qualifying final round.

And That's all Cincy's Qualifying results:

Qualifying - Final Round
[10] A Stoppini (ITA) d [1] A Clement (FRA) 64 64
[2] C Guccione (AUS) d [11] J Woong-Sun (KOR) 64 63
[4] B Becker (GER) d G Bastl (SUI 76(1) 61
[5] K Anderson (RSA) d [14] T Widom (USA) 67(7) 62 76(3)
[7] J Bjorkman (SWE) d [8] R Ram (USA) 62 62
[9] M Yani (USA) d S Oudsema (USA) 67(3) 61 75
[12] V Estrella (DOM) d [6] P Capdeville (CHI) 75 60

Qualifying - First Round
[1] A Clement (FRA) d A Francis (USA) 62 64
[2] C Guccione (AUS) d F Dustov (UZB) 64 63
S Oudsema (USA) d [3] W Odesnik (USA) 64 36 62
[4] B Becker (GER) d T Chen (TPE) 63 64
[5] K Anderson (RSA) d P King (USA) 64 64 [6] P Capdeville (CHI) d [WC] R Harrison (USA) 64 62
[7] J Bjorkman (SWE) d [WC] C Buchanan (USA) 62 63 [8] R Ram (USA) d [alt] E Chvojka (CAN) 62 76(6) [9] M Yani (USA) d [WC] R Williams (USA) 61 62
[10] A Stoppini (ITA) d T Matsui (JPN) 64 75
[11] W-S Jun (KOR) d [WC} D Lukacs 76(4) 61
[12] V Estrella (DOM) d R Bopanna (IND) 64 64 [14] T Widom (USA) d A Sitak (RUS) 63 61
G Bastl (SUI) d [13] A Kuznetsov (USA) 63 46 63

cmb
07-29-2008, 10:52 AM
rankings determine the order of LLs

ImmzB
07-29-2008, 10:55 AM
They were the highest seeds who lost in the Final Round of Qualifying!

ImmzB
07-29-2008, 10:56 AM
Then it would of been R.Ram he was the 3rd highest ranked player who lost in the Final Round of Qualifying

cmb
07-29-2008, 11:46 AM
yes...I made a mistake, its the seedings. I said rankings because in futures and challengers the seeds are done according to the current rankings I guess Masters seedings are done from previous rankings...3 weeks? IDK

decrepitude
07-29-2008, 03:23 PM
Then it would of been R.Ram he was the 3rd highest ranked player who lost in the Final Round of Qualifying

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. There were only two LL spots, which went to Clement and Capdeville who are both higher ranked and higher seeded than Ram.

Viken01
07-29-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm not sure what you are getting at here. There were only two LL spots, which went to Clement and Capdeville who are both higher ranked and higher seeded than Ram.

I think he meant if another player had withdrawn, Ram would have been LL too

Fee
07-30-2008, 03:50 AM
I think he meant if another player had withdrawn, Ram would have been LL too

If he stayed in town and signed in (which he did, obviously). Seems that people often forget this part of the lucky loser rule, the players must sign in on the alternate sheet on Monday morning, and again on Tuesday morning until all of the first round matches have been played. A lot of players leave town on Sunday night or Monday morning and give up the LL spot. This is what happened in LA a few years ago when Dent and Fish withdrew late on Tuesday afternoon, the only guys left in town were two players who had actually lost in the second, not final, round of qualies and they got into the main draw.

Deboogle!.
07-30-2008, 04:01 AM
If he stayed in town and signed in (which he did, obviously). Seems that people often forget this part of the lucky loser rule, the players must sign in on the alternate sheet on Monday morning, and again on Tuesday morning until all of the first round matches have been played. A lot of players leave town on Sunday night or Monday morning and give up the LL spot. This is what happened in LA a few years ago when Dent and Fish withdrew late on Tuesday afternoon, the only guys left in town were two players who had actually lost in the second, not final, round of qualies and they got into the main draw.Same thing happened today with Jun....