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Cincinnati draw discussion

Labamba
07-26-2008, 12:21 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2008/422/mds.pdf

some interesting first round match-ups

Kiefer vs Simon :lol:
Berdych vs Gonzalez
Tursunov vs Safin



(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI/BYE
QUALIFIER v GINEPRI, Robby USA
ANCIC, Mario CRO v ACASUSO, Jose ARG
BELLUCCI, Thomaz BRA v (16) KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO
(12) ROBREDO, Tommy ESP v FISH, Mardy USA
BENNETEAU, Julien FRA v SODERLING, Robin SWE
KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp GER v QUALIFIER
BYE/(6) RODDICK, Andy USA

(4) DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS/BYE
TIPSAREVIC, Janko SRB v MOYA, Carlos ESP
(WC) ISNER, John USA v QUALIFIER
ANDREEV, Igor RUS v (15) STEPANEK, Radek CZE
(11) GASQUET, Richard FRA v LLODRA, Michael FRA
TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS v (WC) SAFIN, Marat RUS
QUERREY, Sam USA v MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA
BYE/(8) MURRAY, Andy GBR

(7) BLAKE, James/BYE
KIEFER, Nicolas v SIMON, Gilles
NIEMINEN, Jarkko v GULBIS, Ernests
JOHANSSON, Thomas v (9) WAWRINKA, Stanislas
(13) GONZALEZ, Fernando v BERDYCH, Tomas
LOPEZ, Feliciano v SEPPI, Andreas
QUALIFIER v BOLELLI, Simone
BYE/(3) DJOKOVIC, Novak

(5) FERRER, David/BYE
LAPENTTI, Nicolas v CILIC, Marin
(WC) LEVINE, Jesse v QUALIFIER
QUALIFIER v (10) VERDASCO, Fernando
(14) YOUZHNY, Mikhail v HAAS, Tommy
MONFILS, Gael v (WC) YOUNG, Donald
QUALIFIER v SERRA, Florent
BYE/(2) NADAL, Rafael

Karolina_Sprem
07-26-2008, 12:24 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2008/422/mds.pdf

some interesting first round match-ups

Kiefer vs Simon :lol:
Berdych vs Gonzalez
Tursunov vs Safin


Good draw for Cilic... He should reach 1/4....

PiggyGotRoasted
07-26-2008, 12:29 AM
Youzhny Vs Nadal, = Roast Piggy
Davydenko V Tipsy will be a great match
Seeded for murray vs gasquet again
Gonzalez Vs Djokovic probably

PiggyGotRoasted
07-26-2008, 12:30 AM
lmao kiefer may have blake again, or simon who will now have to play kiefer in canada.

ImmzB
07-26-2008, 12:33 AM
Safin will have Tursunov in 2

federernadalfan
07-26-2008, 12:35 AM
lol once again djokovic in nadal's half, this has to be rigged

Black Adam
07-26-2008, 12:36 AM
Youzhny might be a threat to Nadal seeing as Cincy is among the fastest Decoturf courts. I hope this time Roger and Andy are able to showdown in QF.

gusman890
07-26-2008, 12:36 AM
Monfils-Young - Athletes at their best.

ImmzB
07-26-2008, 12:40 AM
If Djokovic gets 2 the 3rd Round it could be tricky

Lurker011
07-26-2008, 12:42 AM
Roger better take advantage of this "fixed" draw. he has all his pigeons lined up on his side,just like at toronto,now,its put up or shut up time!!

maconick
07-26-2008, 12:43 AM
Fedex and his easy draws

ImmzB
07-26-2008, 12:46 AM
Who u guys going for... SAFIN OR TURSUNOV?

adee-gee
07-26-2008, 12:50 AM
Bobby GOAT to take out the wannabe GOAT :cool:

jayjay
07-26-2008, 12:51 AM
Who u guys going for... SAFIN OR TURSUNOV?

The Russian should clinch it.

Regenbogen
07-26-2008, 12:55 AM
Murray is so not going to make the quarters :tape:

I don't like this draw much. I'd better make it to my favorites' first matches. :lol:

idolwatcher1
07-26-2008, 12:57 AM
Bobby GOAT to take out the wannabe GOAT :cool:
I'm not so sure Bobby GOAT will make it past the qualifier...

adee-gee
07-26-2008, 01:04 AM
I'm not so sure Bobby GOAT will make it past the qualifier...
Yeah, that will be his tougher match of the 2 for sure :(

Guy Haines
07-26-2008, 01:07 AM
After the Toronto debacle, Federer is rewarded with his most easy-bake draw yet. :o His quarter: I've never seen such a bunch of well-bred mugs. Though I guess Murray is in his half.

And again Djokovic is on Nadal's side. :o::rolleyes: Ridiculous.

I guess Federer needs all the help he can get these days. I don't wish losses upon him by any means. But I'd like him to earn his way to the latter stages instead of waltzing there.

DhammaTiger
07-26-2008, 01:37 AM
It's strange but since Hamburg, Djokovic has been in Rafa's half. I thought they alternate the number 3 and 4 between 1 and 2. Or is that only in Grand Slams.

ExcaliburII
07-26-2008, 01:40 AM
I think that Ginepri will take out Fed.

ExcaliburII
07-26-2008, 01:40 AM
It's strange but since Hamburg, Djokovic has been in Rafa's half. I thought they alternate the number 3 and 4 between 1 and 2. Or is that only in Grand Slams.

In every tournament.

Sunset of Age
07-26-2008, 01:43 AM
It's strange but since Hamburg, Djokovic has been in Rafa's half. I thought they alternate the number 3 and 4 between 1 and 2. Or is that only in Grand Slams.

It's the flip of the coin, Ali. You should know that by now.

In every tournament.

It's rather funny that nearly no-one quite seems to remember the long time when indeed, the #2 ALWAYS had to play the #3.

It's changed now. As I said, it's a 50-50% chance right now, and no, that does NOT necessarilly mean that over some period, it equals up. ;) (INTP (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP.html), here. :angel:)

leng jai
07-26-2008, 01:46 AM
Great draw for Haasi as usual, Youzhny round 1, Monfils round 2, Nadull round 3.

jayjay
07-26-2008, 01:47 AM
It's rather funny that nearly no-one quite seems to remember the long time when indeed, the #2 ALWAYS had to play the #3.

:yeah:

amirbachar
07-26-2008, 01:50 AM
lol once again djokovic in nadal's half, this has to be rigged

I checked that, and since last year's summer (including this draw), in all GS, MS, TMC,
Djokovic was in Nadal's half 10 times compared to 7 times in Federer's half.
So it is not true statistically that it the draws are rigged (not far enough of 50%).

lalit
07-26-2008, 02:06 AM
gasquet's draw :help:

Jimnik
07-26-2008, 02:16 AM
Looks similar to Toronto's draw unfortunately.

Federer and Roddick won't screw up this time, the courts are fast enough.

Albop
07-26-2008, 03:08 AM
Awful draw for Gonzo again, first Berdych,then LaLo,then Djokovic :help: :mad: :smash: :sad:

kalisita
07-26-2008, 03:18 AM
Looks similar to Toronto's draw unfortunately.

Federer and Roddick won't screw up this time, the courts are fast enough.

It will really be panic time for Fed if he doesn't make the SFs. That is an even easier quarter than Toronto.

10nisfan
07-26-2008, 06:14 AM
If Nadal gets by Youzhny, He will probably lose to Ferrer

ChinoRios4Ever
07-26-2008, 06:15 AM
poor Gonzo :sad:
he can't buy a decent draw, this sucks :mad:

easy again for Fed, let's see if he shows up in Cincy

Nadal_Fanatic
07-26-2008, 06:29 AM
Rigged draw. Pathetic that Fedtards are allowed to make the draw.

zaboomafoo
07-26-2008, 07:00 AM
theres a mistake, BYE should beat the crap out of federer nowdays
nadal's draw is tough as sh*t

Foxy
07-26-2008, 07:47 AM
It's the flip of the coin, Ali. You should know that by now.



It's rather funny that nearly no-one quite seems to remember the long time when indeed, the #2 ALWAYS had to play the #3.
It's changed now. As I said, it's a 50-50% chance right now, and no, that does NOT necessarilly mean that over some period, it equals up. ;) (INTP (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP.html), here. :angel:)

Come on. It is stupid excuse. Nowadays it is not like that so I don't care. Soon enough Fed And Djok would be number two and three. What is gonna be your excuse then?

Foxy
07-26-2008, 08:03 AM
I checked that, and since last year's summer (including this draw), in all GS, MS, TMC,
Djokovic was in Nadal's half 10 times compared to 7 times in Federer's half.
So it is not true statistically that it the draws are rigged (not far enough of 50%).

Nope.
Nad - Djok 9:3 = 12
Fed - Djok 6:2 = 8

It is more about how often do they play a match.
Make the math and exclude their finals.

RogandyFan
07-26-2008, 08:07 AM
After the Toronto debacle, Federer is rewarded with his most easy-bake draw yet. :o His quarter: I've never seen such a bunch of well-bred mugs. Though I guess Murray is in his half.

And again Djokovic is on Nadal's side. :o::rolleyes: Ridiculous.

I guess Federer needs all the help he can get these days. I don't wish losses upon him by any means. But I'd like him to earn his way to the latter stages instead of waltzing there.

And that is fed's fault that some player draw the names from the box?

Allez
07-26-2008, 08:22 AM
No draw is easy for Roger these days, so fed haters quit moaning :rolleyes:

Foxy
07-26-2008, 08:35 AM
No draw is easy for Roger these days, so fed haters quit moaning :rolleyes:

Hope then to lose ASAP.

Lucinda
07-26-2008, 09:27 AM
This draw is nothing new. It looks too much like Toronto. At least we can bet that whomever loses the semi tomorrow will be looking for revenge in the first round Simon vs Keifer - that's kinda fun :D

Andi-M
07-26-2008, 10:08 AM
Murray could make final here. Only potential problem could be Gasquet in 3R.

Fed ought to make the semis but if he
played Murray or Gasquet right now I'd make them favorites.

I also pick Gulbis to def Nole and play Nadal in semis.

finishingmove
07-26-2008, 10:12 AM
final murray vs simon :rocker2:

Xristos
07-26-2008, 10:30 AM
GASQUET, Richard FRA v LLODRA, Michael. Toronoto rd1 all over agian.

amirbachar
07-26-2008, 10:30 AM
Nope.
Nad - Djok 9:3 = 12
Fed - Djok 6:2 = 8

It is more about how often do they play a match.
Make the math and exclude their finals.

I didn't check how many times thay actually met - just how many times they were on the same half of the draw.
So 10:7 to Nadal's side is not such a big difference (statistically).

richie21
07-26-2008, 10:36 AM
gasquet's draw :help:

Not a bad draw if you ask me.
At least he doesn't have Nadal in his part of draw.

Matt01
07-26-2008, 10:49 AM
(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI/BYE
QUALIFIER v GINEPRI, Robby USA
ANCIC, Mario CRO v ACASUSO, Jose ARG
BELLUCCI, Thomaz BRA v (16) KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO
(12) ROBREDO, Tommy ESP v FISH, Mardy USA
BENNETEAU, Julien FRA v SODERLING, Robin SWE
KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp GER v QUALIFIER
BYE/(6) RODDICK, Andy USA

(4) DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS/BYE
TIPSAREVIC, Janko SRB v MOYA, Carlos ESP
(WC) ISNER, John USA v QUALIFIER
ANDREEV, Igor RUS v (15) STEPANEK, Radek CZE
(11) GASQUET, Richard FRA v LLODRA, Michael FRA
TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS v (WC) SAFIN, Marat RUS
QUERREY, Sam USA v MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA
BYE/(8) MURRAY, Andy GBR

(7) BLAKE, James/BYE
KIEFER, Nicolas v SIMON, Gilles
NIEMINEN, Jarkko v GULBIS, Ernests
JOHANSSON, Thomas v (9) WAWRINKA, Stanislas
(13) GONZALEZ, Fernando v BERDYCH, Tomas
LOPEZ, Feliciano v SEPPI, Andreas
QUALIFIER v BOLELLI, Simone
BYE/(3) DJOKOVIC, Novak

(5) FERRER, David/BYE
LAPENTTI, Nicolas v CILIC, Marin
(WC) LEVINE, Jesse v QUALIFIER
QUALIFIER v (10) VERDASCO, Fernando
(14) YOUZHNY, Mikhail v HAAS, Tommy
MONFILS, Gael v (WC) YOUNG, Donald
QUALIFIER v SERRA, Florent
BYE/(2) NADAL, Rafael



That draw is almost identical to the draw of Toronto :lol:

Only real differences being that Murray's and Blake's positions are switched and that Gasquet is not near Nadal but near Murray.

lalit
07-26-2008, 01:14 PM
Not a bad draw if you ask me.
At least he doesn't have Nadal in his part of draw.
llodra safin murray is easy ???

Jimnik
07-26-2008, 01:21 PM
Should be a Fed-Djok final.

vincayou
07-26-2008, 01:23 PM
Why is Gasquet always in the Murray area?

osalsyst
07-26-2008, 03:23 PM
Fed and Djoker on opposite sides, Isner and Levine get qualifiers first round, and a very bottom-heavy draw. This was most definitely not done randomly.

Anyways, matches that should and could be good:
Robredo vs. Fish
Roddick vs. Kohlschreiber (Although Kohli will probably lose to the qualifier.)
Andreev vs. Stepanek
Safin vs. Tursunov
Murray vs. Mathieu
Murray vs. Gasquet
Gonzalez vs. Berdych
Gonzalez vs. Djokovic
Ferrer vs. Verdasco
Ferrer vs. Nadal
Youzhny vs. Haas
Winner of that one vs. Nadal

Bilbo
07-26-2008, 03:26 PM
Cilic-Lapentti should be a cracker

~Maya~
07-26-2008, 03:49 PM
I don't think that Nole will be happy with this draw.

jonny84
07-26-2008, 03:59 PM
Kiefer could beat Blake again. :eek:

It is really open in my opinion; Djokovic and Federer are :scared: at the moment. Have to see if Nadal can take the title in Canada - if so he should be favourite to win again here.

scoobs
07-26-2008, 04:01 PM
I expect Nole to be all guns blazing next week...still, it's not the easiest draw.

If I'm Federer and as bad as I was in Toronto then I don't want to see Ancic or Karlovic in my section - although I'd be surprised if he lost to one of those on hard. Less surprised than 12 months ago though.

Murray's draw's not too bad. Richie is always a threat to him and possibly Davydenko too but could have been worse. Nadal's draw is not that bad though Youzhny of course could be a handful and once more Djokovic is in his half. This tournament is where Nadal is most vulnerable on hard, in my opinion - court speed and surface just doesn't take his game as well as others.

Clydey
07-26-2008, 04:15 PM
I expect Nole to be all guns blazing next week...still, it's not the easiest draw.

If I'm Federer and as bad as I was in Toronto then I don't want to see Ancic or Karlovic in my section - although I'd be surprised if he lost to one of those on hard. Less surprised than 12 months ago though.

Murray's draw's not too bad. Richie is always a threat to him and possibly Davydenko too but could have been worse. Nadal's draw is not that bad though Youzhny of course could be a handful and once more Djokovic is in his half. This tournament is where Nadal is most vulnerable on hard, in my opinion - court speed and surface just doesn't take his game as well as others.

If Muzza can get through Gasquet (still a big if), I can see him making the final, given how vulnerable Federer is. I'm usually confident he'll beat Davydenko, so the matches I see him losing are to either Gasquet or Federer. Other than that, the final is not out of reach.

I'd like to see Gasquet and Murray avoid each other. Be nice if they could both have a decent run. It seems they're getting drawn in the same half a lot recently, though.

scoobs
07-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Roddick's draw is reasonable but he seems to have lost the plot again lately - won Dubai, toppled Federer in Miami and then got injured in Rome - since then he's lost whatever it was he had going on in Dubai. Cincy is the perfect court speed for him and I could see him knock Federer over again here more so than most other places, but whether he can get his swagger back enough to get there and then do it is another matter.

Corey Feldman
07-26-2008, 04:54 PM
Here is my discussion

Federer out early with 50+ FH's flying past the floodlights

Nadal's boring grindly rubbish tennis in another final

lets move onto Olympics and US open

zeleni
07-26-2008, 05:23 PM
Where is Baghdatis?

It is nice draw.:)

Erica86
07-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Should be a Fed-Djok final.

Yeah, of course, like in Toronto. Nadal is such a bad player on these courts. He is so lucky that he keeps winning everywhere, and the incredible players such as Fed and Djok are so unlucky...

Albop
07-26-2008, 05:46 PM
Yeah, of course, like in Toronto. Nadal is such a bad player on these courts. He is so lucky that he keeps winning everywhere, and the incredible players such as Fed and Djok are so unlucky...

Who said that, fangirl :silly:

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-26-2008, 06:14 PM
lol once again djokovic in nadal's half, this has to be rigged

Never been in doubt.

The ATP is trying so hard to cheat and keep Fed #1, but RAFA is just too good. He will become #1 against all the crazy Fedtards, their rigged draws and their "God King" Federer.

Vamos Sparta.

PiggyGotRoasted
07-26-2008, 06:25 PM
Nadal will lose in the first round, wouldnt be surprised to see a djokovic - davydenko final.

jcadam2003
07-26-2008, 06:31 PM
Never been in doubt.

The ATP is trying so hard to cheat and keep Fed #1, but RAFA is just too good. He will become #1 against all the crazy Fedtards, their rigged draws and their "God King" Federer.

Vamos Sparta.

I must admit that it is getting a bit riduculous the amount of times Novak ends up in Rafa's side of the draw. But look on the bright side, in 2008 Nadal has had a tendency to win the tournament (with the exception of Indian Wells and Dubai) every time he is placed in Novak's side of the draw! I think that Toronto will be another example!

Gustavo Ovatsug
07-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Nadal will lose in the first round, wouldnt be surprised to see a djokovic - davydenko final.

Nadal has a bye in the first round and then has a very easy opponent, so no, he will not lose in R1 or R2

Clay Death
07-26-2008, 06:42 PM
I must admit that it is getting a bit riduculous the amount of times Novak ends up in Rafa's side of the draw. But look on the bright side, in 2008 Nadal has had a tendency to win the tournament (with the exception of Indian Wells and Dubai) every time he is placed in Novak's side of the draw! I think that Toronto will be another example!

the draw is a complete joke. i just took a look at it. this is really sad and sick to keep giving Fed chicken shit draws.

Djokovic ends up in the opposite 1/2 just about every time. i guess they want Fed to make the final.

Gustavo Ovatsug
07-26-2008, 06:44 PM
the draw is a complete joke. i just took a look at it. this is really sad and sick to keep giving Fed chicken shit draws.

Djokovic ends up in the opposite 1/2 just about every time. i guess they want Fed to make the final.

at this point there are far more interesting aspects of draws seeing as Djokovic and Federer are apt to early losses and Nadal is the shoe-in winner regardless of who is near him

prima donna
07-26-2008, 06:59 PM
the draw is a complete joke. i just took a look at it. this is really sad and sick to keep giving Fed chicken shit draws.

Djokovic ends up in the opposite 1/2 just about every time. i guess they want Fed to make the final.
Roger is the #1 seed -- the objective is to benefit from his ranking by playing opposition that has been determined to be relatively mediocre according to the ranking system -- which of course can be distorted in the cases of players like Marat Safin.

As for the latter stages of tournaments, it's really the responsibility of his opposition to advance deep enough to play against him. Nadal hasn't been able to do that for the past few years on hard courts, but one must realize that by applying logic in a discussion with an individual like you; one hopes to walk on water.

Damn
07-26-2008, 07:15 PM
First you said this:

Youzhny Vs Nadal = Roast Piggy

And later you've said this:

Nadal will lose in the first round

Thanks to make a fool of yourself. These sentences are two great examples of :bs:, too.

platinum
07-26-2008, 07:35 PM
It doesn't matter how much the fedfucking ATP rig the draws by giving EXfed strawberry shortcake paths to the finals, EXfed will NOT win Cincinnati.

luie
07-26-2008, 07:41 PM
It doesn't matter where novak falls he is not winning anything of late.

Lucinda
07-26-2008, 07:51 PM
For some reason, Fed's draws always look easy to me, but I think that may be because I'm still assuming he's playin like Fed '06/'07, where everyone WAS easy for him. Of course, he's not playing that well, and so when I have a knee-jerk "oh, what a farking easy draw for Fed" reaction, I have to stop myself and remember that he's lost to the likes of Fish et al this year.

Matt01
07-26-2008, 07:56 PM
Never been in doubt.

The ATP is trying so hard to cheat and keep Fed #1, but RAFA is just too good. He will become #1 against all the crazy Fedtards, their rigged draws and their "God King" Federer.

Vamos Sparta.


Do you really believe all the crap you are posting or are you only playing with us? :rolleyes:

Basic Boy
07-26-2008, 08:18 PM
Where is Baghdatis, Hewitt and Nalbandian? Injuries? when Tsonga is coming back ? Tsonga and Nalbandian must stop piggy

Foxy
07-26-2008, 08:28 PM
Where is Baghdatis, Hewitt and Nalbandian? Injuries? when Tsonga is coming back ? Tsonga and Nalbandian must stop piggy

Don't rely too much on them to beat him now.

au_sports_opinion
07-26-2008, 08:29 PM
Never been in doubt.

The ATP is trying so hard to cheat and keep Fed #1, but RAFA is just too good. He will become #1 against all the crazy Fedtards, their rigged draws and their "God King" Federer.

Vamos Sparta.

It doesn't matter how much the fedfucking ATP rig the draws by giving EXfed strawberry shortcake paths to the finals, EXfed will NOT win Cincinnati.

silly.

au_sports_opinion
07-26-2008, 08:30 PM
the draw is a complete joke. i just took a look at it. this is really sad and sick to keep giving Fed chicken shit draws.

Djokovic ends up in the opposite 1/2 just about every time. i guess they want Fed to make the final.

and here too

amirbachar
07-26-2008, 08:38 PM
I must admit that it is getting a bit riduculous the amount of times Novak ends up in Rafa's side of the draw. But look on the bright side, in 2008 Nadal has had a tendency to win the tournament (with the exception of Indian Wells and Dubai) every time he is placed in Novak's side of the draw! I think that Toronto will be another example!

Only 10 of the last 17 big tourneys draws (since last summer).

Julio
07-26-2008, 08:48 PM
I'm pretty sure that Querrey will beat Mathieu.

prima donna
07-26-2008, 08:55 PM
I must admit that it is getting a bit riduculous the amount of times Novak ends up in Rafa's side of the draw. But look on the bright side, in 2008 Nadal has had a tendency to win the tournament (with the exception of Indian Wells and Dubai) every time he is placed in Novak's side of the draw! I think that Toronto will be another example!
Djokovic was on Fed's side at Wimbledon but failed to hold up his end of the bargain, also was on Fed's side in Australia, keep whining.

RafaTheBest
07-26-2008, 08:57 PM
First you said this:



And later you've said this:



Thanks to make a fool of yourself. These sentences are two great examples of :bs:, too.

Fucking owned!

Foxy
07-26-2008, 08:58 PM
Djokovic was on Fed's side at Wimbledon but failed to hold up his end of the bargain, also was on Fed's side in Australia, keep whining.

FO2007, W2007, USO2007 in a row. You have a very short-term memory.

prima donna
07-26-2008, 09:09 PM
FO2007, W2007, USO2007 in a row. You have a very short-term memory.
Nadal ended up losing to Ferrer at last year's USO, so it whether or not Djokovic was on his side of the draw turned out to be irrelevant.

As for Djokovic's results, well I think we all know what the outcome ultimately ended up being in the final against Roger.

As for Wimbledon and Roland Garros, didn't he end up withdrawing from both of them or at least one of his matches against Nadal ? If anything, it seems that due to Djokovic's propensity to retire having him on Nadal's side of the draw could be advantageous, as it allows for Nadal to conserve plenty of energy.

These are sophomoric arguments guys, just stick to bashing and stop trying to pretend this is actually about tennis.

Mateya
07-26-2008, 09:09 PM
I'm pretty sure that Querrey will beat Mathieu.

You are not the only one.
:tape:

scoobs
07-26-2008, 09:46 PM
This thread needs to get back on topic.

RNP2008
07-26-2008, 09:51 PM
where is del potro??? :confused:

Garson007
07-26-2008, 09:52 PM
The Kiefer vs Simon match made me think; has it ever happened that finalists of an ATP tournament played in the same match-up in a first round of the very next tournament?

scoobs
07-26-2008, 09:54 PM
where is del potro??? :confused:
He wasn't ranked high enough at the time the entries were decided for Toronto and Cincy and he elected not to play quallies so I think he's taking two weeks off and will return to action in Los Angeles the week after Cincy.

prima donna
07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
This thread needs to get back on topic.
So it's not okay to debunk the arguments that Djokovic is always on Nadal's side of the draw ? Isn't that related to this draw ? Moreover, if it were really so problematic, then why not take action to stop the initial references made to this specific issue ?

It's not as if we've drifted that far off topic, don't you think you're slightly exaggerating ?

Damn
07-26-2008, 10:00 PM
Fucking owned!

That's the Spartan way, you know :lol:

The Cincinnati draw it's a copy of Toronto's one, really similar. Similar draw, similar results I hope, but is gonna be difficult as hell.

rofe
07-26-2008, 10:14 PM
It is funny that Rafatards are still whining about how Novak is once again on Nadal's side of the draw. You guys are so used to whining about Nadal's draw that you have failed to notice Nadal's remarkable run this year. Novak isn't going to do jack shit against this super-focused, super-consistent Nadal.

It is even funnier to see these Rafatards whine about Fed given a straight path to the final. Have you guys even watched Fed play recently? He will be lucky to win his 2nd round match - leave alone reach the final.

You guys are going to keep on whining even when Nadal is #1 instead of appreciating what Nadal has accomplished. :rolleyes:

scoobs
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Blake, Roddick and Davydenko really could do with kick-starting their second half of the season in Cincy - none of them have posted good results in a while - Davydenko not since he won the Warsaw title right before Wimbers.

MacTheKnife
07-26-2008, 10:51 PM
Djok needs to get past the 3rd round or it's irrelevant which side of the draw he's on, & Fed is apparently developing the same problem. It is looking more like the days of just counting these two in the semis has passed.

Havok
07-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Almost identical to Toronto. Yet again Roddick in Federer's quarter :help:. Please lose to another n00b Fed, and Andy don't fuck up another golden opportunity. At least hold your damn seed!:o

guy in sf
07-27-2008, 07:47 AM
Why is Gasquet playing Llorda again in the first round in 2 consecutive tournaments? Can't they mix things up a little?
This is ridiculous.

MIMIC
07-27-2008, 07:49 AM
I hope Nadal, Federer & Djokovic all get to the semis so we can have some action.

finishingmove
07-27-2008, 08:07 AM
federer really has an easy draw this time , almost all 1-dimensional players.

donkey should reach the qf easily , kiefer simon is going to be interesting (then a potential kiefer - blake lol). wawrinka will stop gulbis im afraid.

novak should really reach the semis here , the least he could do. even nadal , i dont see anyone in that part of the draw who can stop him. maybe youzhny.

cilic's part is a joke but he'll probably lose to pics. verdasco will probably reach the quarters there

Allez
07-27-2008, 08:50 AM
federer really has an easy draw this time , almost all 1-dimensional players.

donkey should reach the qf easily , kiefer simon is going to be interesting (then a potential kiefer - blake lol). wawrinka will stop gulbis im afraid.

novak should really reach the semis here , the least he could do. even nadal , i dont see anyone in that part of the draw who can stop him. maybe youzhny.

cilic's part is a joke but he'll probably lose to pics. verdasco will probably reach the quarters there

uhm he had an easy draw in Toronto & unless I'm missing something, he's not winning that tournament. There is no such thing as an easy draw for Roger anymore. murray, roddick, fish, stepanek, simon etc were all supposed to be easy draws :rolleyes:

finishingmove
07-27-2008, 08:53 AM
uhm he had an easy draw in Toronto & unless I'm missing something, he's not winning that tournament. There is no such thing as an easy draw for Roger anymore. murray, roddick, fish, stepanek, simon etc were all supposed to be easy draws :rolleyes:

look @ the draw closer . emphasis on 1-dimensional

spriwi
07-27-2008, 09:06 AM
If Nadal gets by Youzhny, He will probably lose to Ferrer

:spit:

Allez
07-27-2008, 09:18 AM
look @ the draw closer . emphasis on 1-dimensional

I seem to recall Federer making similar claims about one player who went on to dismantle him in a non 1-dimensional manner. What does that have to do with anything. Federer is losing to one dimensional players all the time and even if all the guys in his draw played the same way, he will still find a way to lose to one of them. The draw is not easy for him.

finishingmove
07-27-2008, 09:25 AM
I seem to recall Federer making similar claims about one player who went on to dismantle him in a non 1-dimensional manner. What does that have to do with anything. Federer is losing to one dimensional players all the time and even if all the guys in his draw played the same way, he will still find a way to lose to one of them. The draw is not easy for him.

here are some players who would find a way to lose before federer would do the same:

ginepri
ancic
bellucci
karlovic
robredo
fish
benneteau
soderling
kohlschreiber
qualifier.

im not counting roddick whos actually 0 dimensional, but could still beat him on a given day, and acasuso with his newly found mental strenght (although i doubt he would outgrind federer on the faster courts)

maconick
07-27-2008, 09:30 AM
Players that have beaten them.

Fed in his Half

ANCIC
FISH
RODDICK
STEPANEK
GASQUET
SAFIN
MURRAY


Nadal in his Half

YOUZHNY
FERRER
DJOKOVIC
BERDYCH
GONZALEZ
BLAKE

*Raine
07-27-2008, 08:51 PM
:lol: Simon vs Kiefer again..

Is Baghdatis injured btw?

groundstroke
07-27-2008, 08:58 PM
(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI/BYE
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Bye is the favourite, tbh.

MrChopin
07-27-2008, 09:27 PM
It is funny that Rafatards are still whining about how Novak is once again on Nadal's side of the draw. You guys are so used to whining about Nadal's draw that you have failed to notice Nadal's remarkable run this year. Novak isn't going to do jack shit against this super-focused, super-consistent Nadal.

It is even funnier to see these Rafatards whine about Fed given a straight path to the final. Have you guys even watched Fed play recently? He will be lucky to win his 2nd round match - leave alone reach the final.

You guys are going to keep on whining even when Nadal is #1 instead of appreciating what Nadal has accomplished. :rolleyes:

Seriously... all you hear is bitch bitch bitch. If Nadal loses here, it's his own fault. All he needs to do is camp out, run like mad, and wait for the errors. Who is going to beat him? Consistent giants like Birdshit? Gonezo? Fearer? Bloodhy? Welcome to the WTA.

And for all those Rafatards bitching about Djokovic, what has he done since his Queens victory over Nalbandian Hamburg loss to Rafa Rome IW? The dude is a total pressure flake. He has chances at #2 and gets his ass handed to him. He has to defend a title and he crumbles. Murray just beat him in straights while having mental lapses.

Sunset of Age
07-27-2008, 09:47 PM
Come on. It is stupid excuse. Nowadays it is not like that so I don't care. Soon enough Fed And Djok would be number two and three. What is gonna be your excuse then?

(1) It is not an excuse,
(2) Follow a course on maths and statistics, you might be able to get my point thereafter. Or not. I can't bother.

Mashachosen1
07-27-2008, 09:50 PM
:lol: Simon vs Kiefer again..

Is Baghdatis injured btw?

Come on Simon, it's payback time! :devil:

Turquoise
07-28-2008, 08:52 AM
Djokovic v Kevin Anderson 2nd round? :devil:

finishingmove
07-28-2008, 09:44 AM
Djokovic v Kevin Anderson 2nd round? :devil:

bolelli will return better than djokovic did in miami

Herdwick
07-28-2008, 10:06 AM
Bolelli please.

Thank heaven the Cincy website is great an improvement on Toronto's.

Damn
07-28-2008, 11:14 AM
Thank heaven the Cincy website is great an improvement on Toronto's.

Olé :worship:

Lurker011
07-28-2008, 11:54 AM
i really want to see Djokovic vs. Anderson in Rnd 2. I think Anderson has the game to trouble the djoker. this could be another upset.

Medina
07-28-2008, 11:59 AM
Tommy vs Fish :sad:

nateyang
07-28-2008, 12:20 PM
i really want to see Djokovic vs. Anderson in Rnd 2. I think Anderson has the game to trouble the djoker. this could be another upset.

Don't count too much on it. Djoker's lost in Miami is because of heavy partying the night before with Sharapova :devil:

KitinovRules
07-28-2008, 12:24 PM
Don't count too much on it. Djoker's lost in Miami is because of heavy partying the night before with Sharapova :devil:
Yeah sure,

He lost because he underestimated Anderson.
And the South African has a game which doesn't suit the Faker. He sometimes has problems with big servers.
But in any case, Bolleli will beat the Faker. That is what I expect - the Faker is in decline since IW.
Yes he has won Rome, but look what opponents and how he won.

Sebby
07-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Don't count too much on it. Djoker's lost in Miami is because of heavy partying the night before with Sharapova :devil:

Because of you I just imagined myself partying with Sharapova and Ivanovic at the same time.

ignatius
07-28-2008, 12:33 PM
Easy draw for Federer..only real threat he'd face until the semis is Karlovic.

Verdasco will upset Ferrer to then play Nadal in the Quaters. Look out for that match up...Verdasco has been playing very well for the past 3 months. If he had his shit together, he would've been a top 5 for a while now.

Gulbis will play the Djoker in the quaters. Djoko will advance to play Rafa in the semis, but expect a tough 3 setter against the Latvian.

Easier draw for Federer, he will most likely face A-Rod in the quaters unless the american loses one round earlier to Fish.

On the bottom half of that draw, Gasquet will beat Murray in the third round and will play Stepanek or Tipsy in the quaters. Davidenko is out of the picture.

Herdwick
07-28-2008, 12:53 PM
Easy draw for Federer..only real threat he'd face until the semis is Karlovic.

Verdasco will upset Ferrer to then play Nadal in the Quaters. Look out for that match up...Verdasco has been playing very well for the past 3 months. If he had his shit together, he would've been a top 5 for a while now.

Gulbis will play the Djoker in the quaters. Djoko will advance to play Rafa in the semis, but expect a tough 3 setter against the Latvian.

Easier draw for Federer, he will most likely face A-Rod in the quaters unless the american loses one round earlier to Fish.

On the bottom half of that draw, Gasquet will beat Murray in the third round and will play Stepanek or Tipsy in the quaters. Davidenko is out of the picture.

I can live with that - sounds grand. What's your record like, accuracy-wise?;)

Lurker011
07-28-2008, 09:43 PM
i just heard from a source that Mario Ancic has withdrawn. too bad,i thought he was back after that good showing at wimbledon! same person said that wawrinka also withdrew! capdaville and clement are LL.

HoistDaColors
07-28-2008, 10:07 PM
that's what i heard about ancic and wawrinka too. ancic's withdrawal was due to illness.

Henry Chinaski
07-28-2008, 10:23 PM
no luck this ancic

I guess having such hardcore glandular fever is going to leave him with a weakened immune system for some time.

Alonsofz
07-28-2008, 10:26 PM
So Capdeville will replace him :)

Haile Selassie
07-29-2008, 02:24 AM
Im soo happy that Victor Estrella is in the main draw :bounce:

Damn
07-29-2008, 01:16 PM
Youzhny Vs Nadal= Roast Piggy

More than ever, :haha: :haha: :haha:

WTF has happened to the Roaster Legend? Damn :banghead: Damn :banghead: Damn :banghead: (He loves to bang his own head with things, you know)

finishingmove
07-29-2008, 01:25 PM
with this lack of roasters in nadal's quarter, i guess djokovic will need to get it done. :cool:

leng jai
07-29-2008, 01:32 PM
Haas will be the new roaster :smash:

Lurker011
07-29-2008, 01:33 PM
finishingmove,you are forgetting about Monfils. if he gets by Haas,he can definatly roast Nadal on these fast hard courts!

Iván
07-29-2008, 01:34 PM
Watch out for gulbis everyone

Should make Q/F easy

ToniTennis
07-29-2008, 02:41 PM
It's strange but since Hamburg, Djokovic has been in Rafa's half. I thought they alternate the number 3 and 4 between 1 and 2. Or is that only in Grand Slams.

In every tournament.

Wimbledon, this year.

Definitely, not Roger's fault that Nole wasn't up for what was expected from him.:(

Not Rafa's either for facing Murray and Kiefer at Toronto...

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 02:46 PM
finishingmove,you are forgetting about Monfils. if he gets by Haas,he can definatly roast Nadal on these fast hard courts!

Nothing against Gael, but this is highly unlikely. He has not particularly excelled on fast surfaces to say the least.

gebl
07-30-2008, 07:47 PM
If Nadal gets by Youzhny, He will probably lose to Ferrer

:haha::haha:

Nadal will lose in the first round,

:secret: no contact with reality at all, here. :spit:


:aparty: