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The Associated Press essentially called Simon a "pusher"

MIMIC
07-25-2008, 07:03 PM
TORONTO -- Gilles Simon of France advanced to the semifinals of the Rogers Cup with a 3-6, 6-2, 6-3 win over Croatia's Marin Cilic on Friday.

Simon, ranked 22nd in the world, has already beaten top seed Roger Federer, American qualifier Donald Young and Argentina's Jose Acasuso in the tournament.

The match was far from a classic. The players combined for 104 unforced errors, including 64 by Cilic. The 19-year-old Cilic fired 37 winners, while Simon connected on just 15 -- but that's his game. He kept the ball in play and waited for Cilic to make mistakes, which he frequently did.

The match didn't quite capture the imaginations of the center-court fans at the Rexall Centre, who were relatively quiet throughout.
AP via ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3505223)

"but that's his game" :haha:

Lurker011
07-25-2008, 07:05 PM
simon is a pusher and in todays era of brainless ball bashing and no Plan B,that is very smart of Simon.

bluefork
07-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Well, he is a bit of a pusher, isn't he? In the matches I've seen this week, he's just been getting the ball in the court and waiting for his opponent to miss, rather than going for winners himself.

MacTheKnife
07-25-2008, 07:09 PM
He is winning with "his game." :zzz: can't deny that..

federernadalfan
07-25-2008, 07:09 PM
let's give some credit to simon, being a pusher isn't easy definitely, at the very least it means he is very consistent

rhinooooo
07-25-2008, 07:09 PM
That is his game. He keeps the ball in play and frustrates opponents.

Action Jackson
07-25-2008, 07:09 PM
Rain is wet.

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 07:11 PM
AP via ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3505223)

"but that's his game" :haha:

a bear ususally shits in the woods.

Voo de Mar
07-25-2008, 07:12 PM
Simon plays tennis adequate to his physique.

ReturnWinner
07-25-2008, 07:14 PM
Simon plays tennis adequate to his physique.

Oli Rochus is smaller and plays more agressive than Simon.

scoobs
07-25-2008, 07:16 PM
Expected. In an era when the vast majority play from the baseline, you're going to get a split between aggressive baseliners and defensive baseliners, and most players can be loosely grouped into one category or the other. Simon is at a more extreme end of the spectrum in terms of defensive baseliners though. Most baseliners who are essentially defensive show a little more aggression at times than Simon usually does.

Winston's Human
07-25-2008, 07:17 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if the sports "journalists" omitted their editorial comments disguised as reporting?

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 07:18 PM
Expected. In an era when the vast majority play from the baseline, you're going to get a split between aggressive baseliners and defensive baseliners, and most players can be loosely grouped into one category or the other. Simon is at a more extreme end of the spectrum in terms of defensive baselines though. Most baselines who are essentially defensive show a little more aggression at times than Simon usually does.


affirmative. well put and stated.

alfonsojose
07-25-2008, 07:24 PM
simon is a pusher and in todays era of brainless ball bashing and no Plan B,that is very smart of Simon.

:yeah: i don't like his game but his survival shows that brainless ball bashing owns tennis, both tours. He reminds me of Hingis :yeah:

Voo de Mar
07-25-2008, 07:32 PM
Oli Rochus is smaller and plays more agressive than Simon.

Rochus has completely different body building. According to atptennis.com the Belg weights exactly the same what Simon although is 13-15 cm shorter. Rochus is so small that he wouldn't be a pusher on this level.

Burrow
07-25-2008, 07:32 PM
People here don't realize how hard the guy is hitting the ball, if they came up against him they would be blown off the court.

kalisita
07-25-2008, 07:37 PM
People here don't realize how hard the guy is hitting the ball, if they came up against him they would be blown off the court.

True. But he's not playing anyone here. We're talking about how he plays in relation to the people he does play against.

Voo de Mar
07-25-2008, 07:39 PM
People here don't realize how hard the guy is hitting the ball,

Yes, Simon can play hard balls but he does it rarely. I think he's got intelligent tactics. He tries to play with the force of an opponent and mixes up the rallies with strong shots from both sides when the situation on the court is beneficial.

PiggyGotRoasted
07-25-2008, 07:41 PM
Being a pusher on the pro tour is nothing to be ashamed of

Ouragan
07-25-2008, 07:41 PM
Serioulsy, that guy has just played 8 MATCHES IN 8 DAYS, don't expect him to hit winners Nadal-wise all over the court!

But agreed, the AP article made me laugh.

Truc
07-25-2008, 07:43 PM
True. But he's not playing anyone here. We're talking about how he plays in relation to the people he does play against.But his shots are not looking so ridiculous either in relation to his opponents when you see him play in person. They're not powerful, but they're quite fast. I'm sure some people here have a wrong idea of his game.

Anyway, he says himself he plays pushing tennis when he needs it. He says in interviews he did almost only that when he came to the tour, that's how he drove Berdych completely nuts at the AO in 2006, for example. It was not popular and the other guys soon got the idea, so things became much tougher for him. Now he tries to not rely only on that, but also to develop his game. (And he did show a different game than today in his previous matches in Toronto.) But he sometimes gets back to the old ugly tricks when he needs it, today was a perfect example.

Here for example, that's an article from the FO 2008:
Laser ou pousse-caillou ?
Gilles Simon s’est fait connaître début 2006 en faisant déjouer plusieurs de ses adversaires, notamment le Tchèque Tomas Berdych, avec un jeu à base de balles cotonneuses. « Mais je ne le fais presque plus. Les mecs devaient me trouver nul, mais ils ne sont pas cons, ils ont vite compris l’affaire et c’est devenu beaucoup plus dur. Maintenant, je gagne sur mes atouts, et pas sur les faiblesses de l’autre. Même si, parfois, je suis obligé de retomber là-dedans quand je ne me sens pas bien. »

scoobs
07-25-2008, 07:45 PM
Being a pusher on the pro tour is nothing to be ashamed of
I agree. To me tennis is about effectiveness and if it works, use it.

That's a minority opinion around here though :)

richie21
07-25-2008, 07:48 PM
Serioulsy, that guy has just played 8 MATCHES IN 8 DAYS, don't expect him to hit winners Nadal-wise all over the court!

But agreed, the AP article made me laugh.

LOL,since when Nadal is a winners machine?

alfonsojose
07-25-2008, 07:48 PM
The Male Hingis :yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
07-25-2008, 07:56 PM
Serioulsy, that guy has just played 8 MATCHES IN 8 DAYS, don't expect him to hit winners Nadal-wise all over the court!



I think that you're confused. While Nadal can certainly be effective when aggressive, you're more prone to find him running down what really ought to be a winner and turning it into his own... in which case he's still producing winners, but more because his opponent is both shocked and appalled to discover that it was possible for a human being to reach that ball; so much so, that should said player manage to hit what Nadal smacks back at them, they're liable to produce an error.

As for the rest of you, Simon's game is clearly giving him some success. I'm not entirely sure what you little bitches here in MTF Land want him to do - implement a new, more aggressive game plan, and be less successful? Because everybody should play exactly the same way and defense should be removed from the game of tennis?

If I didn't know any better I'd be stunned at the level of knob-itude that I've been seeing here lately.

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 07:59 PM
Well if his game plan and style of play ain't broke, then why fix it. It's been effective for him so far in his career and the last 2-3 tournaments have seen a marked improvement in his results. Granted, he's hardly likely to entertain you with his style of play (so I've heard), but if it helps him be more successful than his peers, then all power to him.

Although if you wanted to be solely entertained, a defensive-minded Murray against Simon in the final this year probably wouldn't set toungues wagging.

CooCooCachoo
07-25-2008, 08:07 PM
This talk is getting so so old.

All credit to Gilles :yeah:

*Viva Chile*
07-26-2008, 01:17 AM
Simon has one of the most :zzz:game I've seen in my entire life :yawn:

*Viva Chile*
07-26-2008, 01:20 AM
The Male Hingis :yeah:

at least Martina had good placement of shots and variety of angles, not like this mug that only put the ball in game :o

Guy Haines
07-26-2008, 01:30 AM
I think that you're confused. While Nadal can certainly be effective when aggressive, you're more prone to find him running down what really ought to be a winner and turning it into his own... in which case he's still producing winners, but more because his opponent is both shocked and appalled to discover that it was possible for a human being to reach that ball; so much so, that should said player manage to hit what Nadal smacks back at them, they're liable to produce an error.

As for the rest of you, Simon's game is clearly giving him some success. I'm not entirely sure what you little bitches here in MTF Land want him to do - implement a new, more aggressive game plan, and be less successful? Because everybody should play exactly the same way and defense should be removed from the game of tennis?

If I didn't know any better I'd be stunned at the level of knob-itude that I've been seeing here lately.

Knobitude. :spit: Brilliant post as usual, and a perfect description of why Nadal and Simon are two of my faves.

Much as I'm mad for Gilles at the moment, he's nowhere near the male Hingis.

If he gets there, it would be enjoyable to see -- for tennis lovers who don't eat hate for breakfast and spew it back up ;) -- because his personality is much better than hers. But no male or female player put points together in the ruthless and sometimes outright hilariously vicious way that Hingis did.

That said, I don't necessarily see him going in the direction. Right now Gilles is letting a lot of the tour's players hang themselves. Which is easier said than done.

A player beaten by Gilles deserves to lose. Someone who manages to beat Gilles deserves to win. He's kind of the scale of the current ATP.

But a very good-looking one who likely will soon improve beyond that metaphor!

Pfloyd
07-26-2008, 01:33 AM
Rain is wet.

Just like water!

:lol:

GlennMirnyi
07-26-2008, 01:44 AM
Water is wet, the sun is hot, vacuum has nothing there... obvieties, really.

Henry Chinaski
07-26-2008, 01:52 AM
and the sky is blue except for when it isn't.

simon plays a more aggressive game indoors. he didn't win marseilles last year just by pushing.

TMJordan
07-26-2008, 06:04 AM
He does push but he really can flatten the ball out at times and if you can't agree with that you are clearly blind. When you watch upclose and in person it's not just pushing. For example against Cilic he knew Cilic would make errors so he played smart and pushed a lot but he still picked his times to hit nice flat winners.

Stop hating on the guy and show him a little respect, he is playing as good as anyone right now.

Action Jackson
07-26-2008, 06:12 AM
He does push but he really can flatten the ball out at times and if you can't agree with that you are clearly blind. When you watch upclose and in person it's not just pushing. For example against Cilic he knew Cilic would make errors so he played smart and pushed a lot but he still picked his times to hit nice flat winners.

Stop hating on the guy and show him a little respect, he is playing as good as anyone right now.

Jordan, you don't even like tennis and you will be off the bandwagon soon enough.

TMJordan
07-26-2008, 06:13 AM
Jordan, you don't even like tennis and you will be off the bandwagon soon enough.

I met him and he was a nice guy. I admit I disliked his gamestyle before but I never saw him in person, I did this week plus he was nice. Give me a break.

Action Jackson
07-26-2008, 06:18 AM
I met him and he was a nice guy. I admit I disliked his gamestyle before but I never saw him in person, I did this week plus he was nice. Give me a break.

Until next week, when he costs you money, your reputation is famous.

As for Simon, he can play whatever game he likes, he is there to win and it doesn't matter whether people like it or not.

TMJordan
07-26-2008, 06:21 AM
Until next week, when he costs you money, your reputation is famous.

As for Simon, he can play whatever game he likes, he is there to win and it doesn't matter whether people like it or not.

I'm only gonna bet hamburger money for now on.

Besides I think he will pull out of Cincy, he is tired as hell. He should. Not to mention round 1 match against Kiefer :p

Black Adam
07-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Hyporcrites. They don't mind calling a spade a spade when they're talking about lower players but when it comes to Muzza they hold ther tongue :rolleyes:. Thye hypocrisy makes you wanna puke.

MacTheKnife
07-20-2009, 11:02 PM
I will never forget the last time he and Monfils played, and I really keep trying to.

Har-Tru
07-20-2009, 11:07 PM
wow they're good these AP folks

Serenidad
07-20-2009, 11:08 PM
:yeah: i don't like his game but his survival shows that brainless ball bashing owns tennis, both tours. He reminds me of Hingis :yeah:

Please do not be ignorant enough to mention Simon with Hingisova.

rhinooooo
07-20-2009, 11:20 PM
The media telling the truth about something. This is one to savour.

Henry Chinaski
07-20-2009, 11:27 PM
I will never forget the last time he and Monfils played, and I really keep trying to.

"I was trying something different but it turned out to be shit" - Gael Monfils

hilarious match. not often you see a 40 stroke rally where the crowd and the players can barely contain their laughter.

fast_clay
07-20-2009, 11:54 PM
simon's last set n a half tank vs ferrero at wimbledon was an absolute disgrace... not easy on the eye at all..

rocketassist
07-21-2009, 12:21 AM
Probably one of the most pointless bumps going.

luie
07-21-2009, 02:08 AM
I will never forget the last time he and Monfils played, and I really keep trying to.
That match with si-pusher & mugfils was the worst I saw in a very long time,that's saying something since I've seen quite a few nadull matches.:o

R.Federer
07-21-2009, 04:51 AM
It isn't the prettiest thing to watch and is sometimes a cure for sleep disorders.... but if it wins them their matches, why does anyone begrudge a tennis player his style of playing? :shrug:

Arkulari
07-21-2009, 04:59 AM
well, if that works for him, why not? :shrug:
he can't pull a Soderling or a Gonzo and hit the beejezus out of the ball, so he made a name by pushing and waiting :shrug:
I'm not a fan and his game is very boring to me, but if the way he plays brings him the victories, well, do it man :p

Lleyton_
07-21-2009, 09:41 AM
Foundering Frenchman

If Gilles Simon continues his precipitous slide and all-around embarrassing play, he might soon find himself on the wrong side of the top 10.
http://espn.go.com/tennis/

:lol:

timafi
07-21-2009, 12:57 PM
he has no business being there in the First place with his slam results:tape: he is worse than Blake and Blake has some of the worse slams results in tennis history:tape: ^^^^^