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Toronto Quarterfinals- R. Nadal vs. R. Gasquet WWW?

federernadalfan
07-25-2008, 03:17 AM
even though gasquet played amazing today, i still pick rafa to win this in two sets :cool:

Richardgm
07-25-2008, 03:19 AM
Rafa never lost huh?

I say Rafa in 3 just to be safe.

Action Jackson
07-25-2008, 03:20 AM
Nadal easily.

JolánGagó
07-25-2008, 03:24 AM
Utter demolition of the hair to the Ballet Tennis throne by Nadal in two quite easy sets.

rofe
07-25-2008, 03:25 AM
Nadal in 2.

bad gambler
07-25-2008, 03:28 AM
Gasquet in 3

Steelhead
07-25-2008, 03:28 AM
I picked Gasquet in 3: 6-4 6-7(3) 6-3 because Nadal is too tired now and Richie has the confidence now.

The Freak
07-25-2008, 03:30 AM
Nadal 6-4, 6-4.

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 03:30 AM
gasquet.

Fedex
07-25-2008, 03:33 AM
I think the question should be not whether Nadal will win or not, but how many points will he lose in the match?

I think he'll lose about 20-25 points.

Merton
07-25-2008, 03:41 AM
Nadal in 3, based on the matchup Nadal in 2 is more probable imo but I think Richard has finally found his form. Still, I cannot imagine Nadal losing here.

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 03:49 AM
Gasquet in 3


a bad gamble bad gambler. dont bet too much money on it. i realized today that Nadal is finally tired but he will find the gears he needs to get this done anyway. he has too much testicular fortitude for gasquet.

there is a chance now that he may lose in the semis since that damn fatigue is cumulative and its finally catching up with him.

Vlad1980
07-25-2008, 03:52 AM
Richard will need his serve to be cooking and he if he does, he has chances.

alfonsojose
07-25-2008, 03:57 AM
Go Richard :D Stop the Hulk

jpatatsos
07-25-2008, 03:57 AM
rafa in 2

Fedex
07-25-2008, 04:07 AM
a bad gamble bad gambler. dont bet too much money on it. i realized today that Nadal is finally tired but he will find the gears he needs to get this done anyway. he has too much testicular fortitude for gasquet.

there is a chance now that he may lose in the semis since that damn fatigue is cumulative and its finally catching up with him.

Are you already making excuses? Pathetic.

Tiklish
07-25-2008, 04:14 AM
My question is, will we in the USA see this match on TV? If I'm understanding it correctly, according to the TV schedules I'm finding, the Tennis Channel is only playing the Simon/Cilic match, and that on a big delay, and ESPN2 has only scheduled room for the Kiefer/Blake match at 1-3pm ET, and the Djokovic/Murray match from 7-9pm ET. No room for the Rafa match after it. Apparently they don't know there are FOUR quarters when dividing something into quarters.

Rumour
07-25-2008, 04:15 AM
It's probably more wishful thinking than anything else to pick Gasquet to win but, should he play the way he did earlier tonight, I'm at least fairly certain the match will go to three sets. My sense nowadays is he plays better when there are few (if any) expectations of him to win and, against Nadal, that will certainly be the case.

switz
07-25-2008, 04:21 AM
Gasquet 6-4, 6-3. Nadal has won too many matches in a row and he's not playing great. Gasquet needs to make a statement here so he doesn't get written off as also ran. Of course he'll probably lose 6-3, 6-1 or something but i'll stick by my original pick.

Spes
07-25-2008, 04:27 AM
Useless thread. If Nadal loses more than seven games I'll be shocked.

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 04:28 AM
Gasquet 6-4, 6-3. Nadal has won too many matches in a row and he's not playing great. Gasquet needs to make a statement here so he doesn't get written off as also ran. Of course he'll probably lose 6-3, 6-1 or something but i'll stick by my original pick.

Gasquet will be dealt a "topspin death" tomorrow. playing Ferru is not the same as playing the topspin god.

Ferru hits somewhat flat and Gasquet had no problem today just going after those nicely hit low balls. its a little harder to deal with deadly, relentless topspin.

heavy topspin is a different animal. also Nadal wont allow Gasquet to push him around and be aggressive.

Action Jackson
07-25-2008, 04:30 AM
Are you already making excuses? Pathetic.

Yes, if Gasquet wins a set, then that's like winning the match.

Snoo Foo
07-25-2008, 04:36 AM
Priez pour mourir.

richie21
07-25-2008, 05:12 AM
Could be a career defining match for Gasquet ,i reckon.

Puschkin
07-25-2008, 05:35 AM
Time to make some real noise, Richard. Why not tonight? But you'll have to play your game, not his.

oranges
07-25-2008, 05:35 AM
Gasquet will be dealt a "topspin death" tomorrow. playing Ferru is not the same as playing the topspin god.

Ferru hits somewhat flat and Gasquet had no problem today just going after those nicely hit low balls. its a little harder to deal with deadly, relentless topspin.

heavy topspin is a different animal. also Nadal wont allow Gasquet to push him around and be aggressive.

Something like this? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wIJfQ6adFqY&feature=related

Allez
07-25-2008, 05:39 AM
Why is Nadal tired ? He hasn't played since Wimbledon while Richard has been playing non stop since. If Nadal loses here it's not because he is tired. Still I expect him to crush Gasquet in 2 simply because of the Frenchman's mental fragility. He's got the gift, but he seems to be waiting for something :rolleyes:

gebl
07-25-2008, 08:14 AM
In this match-up, Gasquet has so far not shown that he has the "wilanders" to win. If Nadal seems 'tired' that's because he is doing efficient energy conservation before the semis.

Knightmace
07-25-2008, 08:19 AM
Rafa

Bernard Black
07-25-2008, 08:30 AM
Hope Gasquet wins, but he won't.

If he goes for broke on the backhand wing he could give Nadal problems.

richie21
07-25-2008, 09:04 AM
If Simon can beat Federer then Gasquet can definitely beat Nadal,especially on Nadal's least favourite surface and especially if Gasquet plays as well as he played against Ferrer.

Puschkin
07-25-2008, 09:06 AM
If Simon can beat Federer then Gasquet can definitely beat Nadal,especially on Nadal's least favourite surface and especially if Gasquet plays as well as he played against Ferrer.
It still requires a considerable performance. Don't jump on him if he doesn't.

richie21
07-25-2008, 09:13 AM
It still requires a considerable performance. Don't jump on him if he doesn't.


Nadal has not been very impressive in this tournament so far and we all know that hardcourt(along with carpet) is his worst surface.
Also his 26 matches winning streak is bound to be stopped at one time,especially considering he has physically a very demanding style of play.;)
Just hope it will be a close match at least.

cocrcici
07-25-2008, 09:13 AM
Gasquet 26 76 64

Turquoise
07-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Change of strategy for Nadal - pound the forehand instead of the backhand. Nice to see Gasquet's return of form and confidence. I expect to Nadal to win this, probably in straight sets.

lisaplenske
07-25-2008, 10:04 AM
Something like this? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wIJfQ6adFqY&feature=related

omg nadal looked so pissed off and amazed about this incredible backhand:lol:

hopefully richard backhand will be on fire today to beat l'Ogre nadal:devil:
he can do it so allez!

Venle
07-25-2008, 10:06 AM
I really hope Richard wins.
He can do it.

So Gasquet in 3 :)

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 10:07 AM
Got a feeling about Gaskay in this one. He may just pull it out the bag.

richie21
07-25-2008, 10:08 AM
Change of strategy for Nadal - pound the forehand instead of the backhand. Nice to see Gasquet's return of form and confidence. I expect to Nadal to win this, probably in straight sets.

....which is why Gasquet's FH form will once again be the key factor.

theexpress
07-25-2008, 10:14 AM
Nadal to make slow start then win the match in 3 sets, 3-6 6-2 6-4

Junkyard Racket
07-25-2008, 10:16 AM
Gasquet had an awesome run in Toronto in '06 so, he obviously likes playing there. Nadal better be in good form for this one. Rafa squeaks by 4-6 6-3 7-5...then loses to Djokovic.

Zolka
07-25-2008, 10:32 AM
Gasquet has the tools to pull it off, but the talent by itself doesn't mean that much, unfortunately. Gasquet is ultratalented, but Nadal is just too much for him, and not a good matchup. If he can serve like he did against Murray in the first two sets at Wimbledon, he has a solid chance, 40 % maybe, but even if he comes out on fire, there will be a good chance for a breakdown later in the match, Nadal's style will slowly eat up his confidence, and if it happens, it's over, won't even matter how well Nadal plays, because he's going to put enough ball back to win the match.

Corey Feldman
07-25-2008, 10:38 AM
Another match
another bend over coming for the mighty Queens club champion

richie21
07-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Gasquet has the tools to pull it off, but the talent by itself doesn't mean that much, unfortunately. Gasquet is ultratalented, but Nadal is just too much for him, and not a good matchup. If he can serve like he did against Murray in the first two sets at Wimbledon, he has a solid chance, 40 % maybe, but even if he comes out on fire, there will be a good chance for a breakdown later in the match, Nadal's style will slowly eat up his confidence, and if it happens, it's over, won't even matter how well Nadal plays, because he's going to put enough ball back to win the match.

Hum not sure about that.
If anything ,guys like Nalbandian who can agress him and outhit him from the baseline are much worse match ups for him than a guy like Nadal.
If you look well at the H2Hs beetween Nadal and Gasquet,you'll note that 3 of those 4 matches have been on Clay,a surface where Nadal is almost invincible(and Gasquet still managed to take 2 sets to him in those 3 matches) and that their only match on hardcourt was a hard fought 3 setter Nadal won........so i'm not sure it necessarly proves Nadal is a bad match up for Gasquet(or at least,not more than for any other player who face Nadal ON CLAY)

Funny that everytime Gasquet plays a top player,we hear that this top player is a bad match up for him.

Pfloyd
07-25-2008, 12:04 PM
What's all this about Nadal being tired?

Has he said anything, or did something happen to him vs. Andreev, I did'nt see the whole match.

Because if I did'nt miss anything here, I'd say Nadal in 2, with little doubt.

DhammaTiger
07-25-2008, 12:08 PM
Rafa will win in 2 sets. I see the look in Rafa's eyes he is determined to make it to the final. The way he was determined not to lose the tie break The look in his eyes at the start of the tie break was similar to the one in Wimbeldon 5th set. Rafa is the best Vamos Rafa!!!

Clydey
07-25-2008, 12:10 PM
Gotta go with Gasquet. Rafa was looked under par thus far and Gasquet has the ability to hit through him if he plays well. If Gasquet plays well, he wins. I think he can expose Rafa's HC game, as others have done. Hopefully Rafa can pick it up for the US Open, but unless he raises his game I think Gasquet wins. I just hope Richie can keep his head if things aren't going perfectly.

Tess Gray
07-25-2008, 12:13 PM
Nadal to make slow start then win the match in 3 sets, 3-6 6-2 6-4

Yeah, think so too.

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 12:16 PM
Gotta go with Gasquet. Rafa was looked under par thus far and Gasquet has the ability to hit through him if he plays well. If Gasquet plays well, he wins. I think he can expose Rafa's HC game, as others have done. Hopefully Rafa can pick it up for the US Open, but unless he raises his game I think Gasquet wins. I just hope Richie can keep his head if things aren't going perfectly.

definitely .

gasquet's backhand will hit right through nadal's topspin

nadal is in for a big surprise if he doesnt raise his game for this match

Mateya
07-25-2008, 12:32 PM
Richie is no Spartan. He is actualy just the opposite of that.

So, he stands no chance. Rafzilla in 2, something like 7-5 6-3.
:p

richie21
07-25-2008, 01:25 PM
Richie is no Spartan. He is actualy just the opposite of that.

So, he stands no chance. Rafzilla in 2, something like 7-5 6-3.
:p

If(and that's a big IF)Gasquet's game is on,i don't think he'll even have to be in Spartan mode to beat Nadal,anyway not more than for example Tsonga needed to be in the last AO when he destroyed Nadal.

Damn
07-25-2008, 02:30 PM
Rafa in 2.

Foxy
07-25-2008, 02:32 PM
They meant Rafa is tired maybe from too much... Xisca, you know :)

Merton
07-25-2008, 02:34 PM
Could be a career defining match for Gasquet ,i reckon.

Hopefully not, it is just a quarterfinal meeting at a masters, career-defining moments occur at slams.

RafaTheBest
07-25-2008, 02:35 PM
I love how people are picking Gasquet because Nadal has struggled in this tournament. Guys, he struggles at the beginning of almost EVERY tournament! It's called SAVING energy! And EVERY time people predict doom and gloom and Nadal just kicks it into a higher gear in the later rounds and proves the haters wrong. He will dispose of Gasgay.

groundstroke
07-25-2008, 02:35 PM
Nadal will crush Gasquet 6-4 6-1. or 6-3 6-2. Gasquet is too weak mentally.

Deivid23
07-25-2008, 02:35 PM
Mozart if he shows up, Nadal if his rival has a day off

groundstroke
07-25-2008, 02:39 PM
Even if Gasquet shows up, he has no chance. Nadal will return all of his balls in, Gasquet cannot finish like Federer. Baby Federer is not the man himself because he cannot finish the point.

richie21
07-25-2008, 02:39 PM
Hopefully not, it is just a quarterfinal meeting at a masters, career-defining moments occur at slams.

Well,to win a first Master Serie would be a giant step,you can't deny it.
Gasquet has only won MM tournaments so far after all.

richie21
07-25-2008, 02:42 PM
Even if Gasquet shows up, he has no chance. Nadal will return all of his balls in, Gasquet cannot finish like Federer. Baby Federer is not the man himself because he cannot finish the point.

I guess that explains how Gasquet managed to take 3 sets from Nadal in 4 matches against him(3 of them being on Clay)

ToniTennis
07-25-2008, 02:44 PM
I love how people are picking Gasquet because Nadal has struggled in this tournament. Guys, he struggles at the beginning of almost EVERY tournament! It's called SAVING energy! And EVERY time people predict doom and gloom and Nadal just kicks it into a higher gear in the later rounds and proves the haters wrong. He will dispose of Gasgay.

Rafa haters and Gasgay in the same sentence? Sorry, not too coherent...

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Merton
07-25-2008, 02:44 PM
Well,to win a first Master Serie would be a giant step,you can't deny it.
Gasquet has only won MM tournaments so far after all.

I would agree that winning the tournament would be huge for him but this is still a quarterfinal.

richie21
07-25-2008, 02:46 PM
I love how people are picking Gasquet because Nadal has struggled in this tournament. Guys, he struggles at the beginning of almost EVERY tournament! It's called SAVING energy! And EVERY time people predict doom and gloom and Nadal just kicks it into a higher gear in the later rounds and proves the haters wrong. He will dispose of Gasgay.

Nadal's form on hardcourt is still very suspect(comparing to the form he shows on other surfaces like grass and clay of course).
You just need to look at the fact that he has not won a Hardcourt tournament since Indian Wells last year to see that he is clearly not his usual self on this surface
Of course ,he will be favourite to win tonight but if Gasquet shows up,Nadal will face a battle,you can be sure of that.

Puschkin
07-25-2008, 02:47 PM
Well,to win a first Master Serie would be a giant step,you can't deny it.
Gasquet has only won MM tournaments so far after all.

Don't get ahead of yourself, richie21. Each match at a time.


Gasquet cannot finish like Federer. Baby Federer is not the man himself because he cannot finish the point.

Gasquet's game has weaknesses, granted, but not being able to finish points is not what would have occured to me as most striking. If I remember correctly, he had 28 winners yesterday, did he win them in the lottery?

Quadruple Tree
07-25-2008, 02:48 PM
Even if Gasquet shows up, he has no chance. Nadal will return all of his balls in, Gasquet cannot finish like Federer. Baby Federer is not the man himself because he cannot finish the point.

Yes, Federer knows how to finish points against Nadal by dumping his backhand into the net or dropping one short for Nadal to smack a winner off of. Very good analysis.

richie21
07-25-2008, 02:49 PM
Don't get ahead of yourself, richie21. Each match at a time.


Of course.
But admit that IF he beats Nadal,it would be a bit disappointing if he didn't manage to win the whole thing after that (especially when you look at the players who remain in the other side of the draw)

Puschkin
07-25-2008, 02:51 PM
Of course.
But admit that IF he beats Nadal,it would be a bit disappointing if he didn't manage to win the whole thing after that (especially when you look who is on the other side of the draw)

I am just trying to keep yout disappointment under control if things go wrong. :angel: As I said earlier, Richhard has a chance against Nadal, but it still requires a great performance. And then we look further.

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 02:57 PM
I am just trying to keep yout disappointment under control if things go wrong. :angel: As I said earlier, Richhard has a chance against Nadal, but it still requires a great performance. And then we look further.

i think the Clay Monster is 4-0 against Gasquet. too much testicular fortitude. topspin death is extra.

next.

Vamos Rafa 01
07-25-2008, 03:02 PM
I hope Rafa will win, but you have to admit Gasquet is a super talented player who's playing amazing right now. He has the game to beat Rafa, no doubt. The question is, whether he believe he can do it...

richie21
07-25-2008, 03:03 PM
i think the Clay Monster is 4-0 against Gasquet. too much testicular fortitude. topspin death is extra.

next.

Don't forget that 3 of this matches were on Clay where Nadal is almost invincible(and Gasquet still managed to take 2 sets from him).
Their only match on fast surface was in TMC last year and it was a close 3 setters that Nadal won.

lalit
07-25-2008, 03:05 PM
i think the Clay Monster is 4-0 against Gasquet. too much testicular fortitude. topspin death is extra.

next.
gasquet has the game to beat nadal
but he hasnt the mentality
topspin or no topspin

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Don't forget that 3 of this matches were on Clay where Nadal is almost invincible(and Gasquet still managed to take 2 sets from him).
Their only match on fast surface was in TMC last year and it was a close 3 setters that Nadal won.

excellent point richie21. i still see a topspin death coming for Gasquet. it was easy to blast nice bouncing, low balls against Ferru last night.

dealing with relentless heavy topspin is different. i am sure the Clay Monster will target his backhand and break it down. once broken down, he will open the court up.

dealing with the Clay Monster is different. he is a 5 time slam winner now. i believe Djokovic may be the only man who derails him here now.

RafaTheBest
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Nadal's form on hardcourt is still very suspect(comparing to the form he shows on other surfaces like grass and clay of course).
You just need to look at the fact that he has not won a Hardcourt tournament since Indian Wells last year to see that he is clearly not his usual self on this surface
Of course ,he will be favourite to win tonight but if Gasquet shows up,Nadal will face a battle,you can be sure of that.

My point is that it's dumb that people are picking against him because he has struggled early. He always underpreforms in the early rounds of tournaments. It's called saving energy for the later rounds. If he gets into trouble against Gasquet, he should crank it up a few gears and come out with the win.

lalit
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Of course.
But admit that IF he beats Nadal,it would be a bit disappointing if he didn't manage to win the whole thing after that (especially when you look at the players who remain in the other side of the draw)
djokovic is still in his half

richie21
07-25-2008, 03:10 PM
gasquet has the game to beat nadal
but he hasnt the mentality
topspin or no topspin

Tennis is not always about mentality.
I can name you quite a few grand slam winners who were not exactly mental giants(Safin,Roddick,Ivanisevic,etc....)

richie21
07-25-2008, 03:12 PM
excellent point richie21. i still see a topspin death coming for Gasquet. it was easy to blast nice bouncing, low balls against Ferru last night.

dealing with relentless heavy topspin is different. i am sure the Clay Monster will target his backhand and break it down. once broken down, he will open the court up.

dealing with the Clay Monster is different. he is a 5 time slam winner now. i believe Djokovic may be the only man who derails him here now.


Gasquet's BH is not Fed's BH.
If i were Nadal,i'd certainly attack his FH all the time.....but i'm sure that Nadal,as every Gasquet's opponents, already knows that.

Quadruple Tree
07-25-2008, 03:13 PM
Gasquet's BH is not Fed's BH.

It is hard to argue that with someone who thinks Federer has the greatest one-handed backhand of all time.

selyoink
07-25-2008, 03:17 PM
If Gasquet can't beat Nadal on a hardcourt then he will never beat him.

lalit
07-25-2008, 03:20 PM
Tennis is not always about mentality.
I can name you quite a few grand slam winners who were not exactly mental giants(Safin,Roddick,Ivanisevic,etc....)
and how many did they win vis a vis their talent
(though roddick cant be called talented
and ivanisevic would never win on today's wimbledon slow grass)
look at all the talented french players
amelie won her first slam so late in her career

Bad Religion
07-25-2008, 03:24 PM
Rafa can not lose to this Village People singer

Nadal in two easy sets

richie21
07-25-2008, 03:31 PM
and how many did they win vis a vis their talent
(though roddick cant be called talented
and ivanisevic would never win on today's wimbledon slow grass)
look at all the talented french players
amelie won her first slam so late in her career


In Roddick and Ivanisevic's cases,the explanation for their wins can be putted in one word : SERVE (+ admittedly decent forehand in Roddick's case and some good volleying skills in Ivanisevic's case)

Players who won Grand Slams vis a vis their talent only??
Safin and yes,Federer!
I'm not saying Federer is mentally weak but i think it's fair to say that in most of the grand slams he has won,he won them purely on talent and he barely needed to be mentally strong as he was just so much superior and talented than the rest of the field (the best example being the AO he won last year)

Basic Boy
07-25-2008, 03:37 PM
Gasquet in 2. But Nadal will fight in first set

richie21
07-25-2008, 03:41 PM
and how many did they win vis a vis their talent
(though roddick cant be called talented
and ivanisevic would never win on today's wimbledon slow grass)
look at all the talented french players
amelie won her first slam so late in her career

Most of those french players(i guess you are talking about guys like Leconte,Grosjean or Pioline) were quite overrated and not close to Gasquet in term of talent and potential in my opinion(despite the fact they achieved greater things than him.... for now).

Mauresmo is a different case: she mostly had a mental block over the Grand Slams(and over the Williams sisters,that must be said) but even before she won her first GS ,and contrary to "those highly talented french men players", she had proven that she definitely belonged to the best of her generation as she had won multiple very important tournaments ,beaten the top players numerous times and even gotten to the number 1 spot.

lalit
07-25-2008, 03:47 PM
In Roddick and Ivanisevic's cases,the explanation for their wins can be putted in one word : SERVE (+ admittedly decent forehand in Roddick's case and some good volleying skills in Ivanisevic's case)

Players who won Grand Slams vis a vis their talent only??
Safin and yes,Federer!
I'm not saying Federer is mentally weak but i think it's fair to say that in most of the grand slams he has won,he won them purely on talent and he barely needed to be mentally strong as he was just so much superior and talented than the rest of the field (the best example being the AO he won last year)
safin is in angry mood most of the times
but he is never in self doubting mode like gasquet

Exodus
07-25-2008, 03:50 PM
if gasguet doesn't choke he will beat nadal easy

richie21
07-25-2008, 03:53 PM
safin is in angry mood most of the times
but he is never in self doubting mode like gasquet

You should (re?)read his interview just after he won the AO 2005.;)
He was basicly saying that since he had won the US Open in 2000,he was almost always asking himself if he did win it by accident or if he was worth winning a GS title(if that's not self doubting,i don't know what it is).....and he said that this win in AO was a huge huge relief in that aspect.

lalit
07-25-2008, 04:01 PM
You should (re?)read his interview just after he won the AO 2005.;)
He was basicly saying that since he had won the US Open in 2000,he was almost always asking himself if he did win it by accident or if he was worth winning a GS title(if that's not self doubting,i don't know what it is).....and he said that this win in AO was a huge huge relief in that aspect.
at least he won one slam before having doubts
gasquet will never even reach there if he doubts continuously

gasquet is much more talented than the other french players agreed and its a joy to watch him when he is on
but mentality is a much larger factor than talent

gebl
07-26-2008, 01:59 PM
if gasguet doesn't choke he will beat nadal easy

as usual in polls on Nadal matches, this was the post following which it was entirely clear that Nadal would win, easily for at least part of the time