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N.Djokovic Vs A.Murray WWW?

Andi-M
07-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Hmmm

not even worth a poll some mite say.
But I dunno I have a good feeling about my boy...

MurrayFan1
07-24-2008, 09:16 PM
Nobody gave Safin a chance when he played Djokovic! Nobody gave Murray a chance when he played Gasquet! You just never know! Murray is in better form atm.

And I guess this answers what I was about to ask as I wasn't sure who he played next. Either way, I don't think Murray has anything to lose.

rocketassist
07-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Fakervic- 6-3 6-4.

Then it'll be time to bump the pigeon thread up.

Clydey
07-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Unfortunately, I gotta go with Nole. Andy hasn't been playing well at all. He'll need to play so much better to win and Djokovic just seems to have a hold over him.

groundstroke
07-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Murray, I hope he beats Djokovic. I cannot hate any more player than Djokovic or Nadal in tennis, come on Murray.

scoobs
07-24-2008, 09:19 PM
Murray will win 5 games at most, I think.

I'll be the happiest humble pie eater ever if he wins but I don't really expect to be troubled.

Andi-M
07-24-2008, 09:19 PM
Murray, I hope he beats Djokovic. I cannot hate any more player than Djokovic or Nadal in tennis, come on Murray.

From what i recall i thought you hated Murray??
You should try liking players...its more fun.

Jaap
07-24-2008, 09:20 PM
Poll is about as pointless as the Nadal vs Levine one.

Djoko in 2 easy sets.

SwiSha
07-24-2008, 09:20 PM
N
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V
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K

Clydey
07-24-2008, 09:20 PM
Murray, I hope he beats Djokovic. I cannot hate any more player than Djokovic or Nadal in tennis, come on Murray.

Good to have you on our side for a change ;)

rofe
07-24-2008, 09:21 PM
What was that 0-6 set all about? :scratch:

That is why Murray will go out to Novak tomorrow.

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 09:21 PM
I'm giving Murray a vote of "benefit of the doubt".

But the doubt is big.

Andy is a crazy player anyway. He could play a great game tommorow and win.....

or not.

Andy in 3.

Clydey
07-24-2008, 09:21 PM
Murray will win 5 games at most, I think.

I'll be the happiest humble pie eater ever if he wins but I don't really expect to be troubled.

Not sure about 5 games. I think Murray has been kind of unfortunate in past hard court matches. While he has played crap, Djokovic has played out of his skin. I don't know if Djokovic is playing at his top level at the moment, so I'm hoping for at least a closer scoreline.

groundstroke
07-24-2008, 09:22 PM
From what i recall i thought you hated Murray??
You should try liking players...its more fun.
I do not like Murray, but hating and not liking are two different things. I hate Djokovic.

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 09:24 PM
I do not like Murray, but hating and not liking are two different things. I hate Djokovic.

Tennis is not worth hating anyone.

Or (truly) loving anybody either.

As much I enjoy it, in the end, its a game. A bloody good one, sure, but hate? That's too much.

Andi-M
07-24-2008, 09:31 PM
There is a 80% chance Nole will have sexy time with Murrays pusher game.

But there is also a chance Murray will play he way he can. Imo Murray at his absolute best beats Nole at his.

But yeah like i said scenario 1...more likely.

Clydey
07-24-2008, 09:34 PM
There is a 80% chance Nole will have sexy time with Murrays pusher game.

But there is also a chance Murray will play he way he can. Imo Murray at his absolute best beats Nole at his.

But yeah like i said scenario 1...more likely.

I'd agree with that in theory. As in, Murray's best is better in general. Nole is just a horrible matchup for him, though. It's hard to see him playing his best against Nole's game.

Also, Andy rarely plays his best. And that's what separates them. Consistency.

NinaNina19
07-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Murray will win.

Clydey
07-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Murray will win.

Bless your cotton socks. Your faith in him is unshakable :worship:

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Make sure to keep Murray's poll number above 10% and he'll have a chance :p

Jaap
07-24-2008, 09:42 PM
If Murray hadn't choked when the two first met in Madrid, we could be talking about an altogether different match up. But now Murray is totally mentally scarred and can't play his own game against Djoko, he will be pushing balls down the middle of the court and Djoko will be just belting them back with interest.

Seriously, this h2h could reach Borg vs Gerulatis proportions by the end of their careers. :o

decrepitude
07-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Make sure to keep Murray's poll number above 10% and he'll have a chance :p

No, we need it *below* 10% for the jinx to work.

Sean.
07-24-2008, 09:52 PM
Head says Nole, heart says Murray!

jazar
07-24-2008, 09:54 PM
the joker will swipe aside the pitiful attempts of the hacker

Acer
07-24-2008, 10:21 PM
Adieu Murray

Vida
07-24-2008, 10:33 PM
I like Murray and all... but cant by that hes more talented than Joker.

Acer
07-24-2008, 10:59 PM
He's not

Black Adam
07-24-2008, 11:06 PM
No need for a poll, Murray will get his ass whooped as usual. Even if Novak plays with a blindfold.

Jimnik
07-24-2008, 11:10 PM
Murray's time will come.

Wasn't this the country where Roddick and Djokovic defeated Federer for the first time, with a 0-4 h2h?

It's fate. :p

TMJordan
07-24-2008, 11:17 PM
Novak will kill him.

sanshisan
07-24-2008, 11:35 PM
On a good day - Murray can beat any worldbeater, so he should never be under-estimated. However Novak has won virtually every match betw them over the past 2 years (that I know of).

Novak is a great player and there's a very good chance he will keep his title at the Rogers Cup this year. :wavey:

MaryX
07-25-2008, 12:14 AM
Comparing Murray and Djokovic and saying that his best is better than Nole's best is equivalent to claiming that Novak's best is better than Roger's best (old best).That is the difference with them and their "best".
He may win tomorrow, but that will not change.

leng jai
07-25-2008, 12:16 AM
Yeah right. Jesusfed would destroy anything that Fakervic can come up with.

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 12:17 AM
getting bagelled by wawrinka is a nice prelude

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 12:18 AM
Yeah right. Jesusfed would destroy anything that Fakervic can come up with.

jesusfed can coexist only with mugs , that era is finised

but your hypothetical point stands

MaryX
07-25-2008, 12:20 AM
Yeah right. Jesusfed would destroy anything that Fakervic can come up with.

Possibly yes.But not as often as he's done it to others those days.
getting bagelled by wawrinka was a nice prelude

:lol: but, he does that very often...and in opossite direction, too.
fantastic av, btw

rhinooooo
07-25-2008, 12:23 AM
Novak

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 12:24 AM
fantastic av, btw

thx ;)

sanshisan
07-25-2008, 12:31 AM
Yeah right. Jesusfed would destroy anything that Fakervic can come up with.


Uhuh. That's why Federer is still in the Roger's Cup? right? :devil:

richie21
07-25-2008, 12:53 AM
Nobody gave Safin a chance when he played Djokovic! Nobody gave Murray a chance when he played Gasquet! You just never know! Murray is in better form atm.

And I guess this answers what I was about to ask as I wasn't sure who he played next. Either way, I don't think Murray has anything to lose.


Oh yeah???

bad gambler
07-25-2008, 12:56 AM
N. Djokovic 6-3 6-2

Regenbogen
07-25-2008, 01:03 AM
I don't think Murray has a chance although I'd like for him to prove me wrong. :shrug: I'd say straight sets for Djokovic, a couple breaks in each with Murray breaking back once or twice.

selyoink
07-25-2008, 01:10 AM
Murray has yet to prove he is worthy of sharing same court as Djokovic. He surely won't prove it tomorrow.

Spes
07-25-2008, 01:57 AM
Novak should win this pretty comfortably.

Davodus
07-25-2008, 03:24 AM
easy win for novak

i hope so too :lol:

federernadalfan
07-25-2008, 03:26 AM
head says djoko but i wouldn't mind if murray won

jcempire
07-25-2008, 03:42 AM
Djok owns Murray

Mimi
07-25-2008, 03:51 AM
poor murray would got killed :p

but however i want him to win so that rafa needs not to face novak :eek:

richie21
07-25-2008, 06:44 AM
It would make me laugh no end if both Murray and Gasquet beat Nadal and Djokovic today.....it would shut up a little bit all those arrogant Djoko and Nadal fans who think that there is absolutely no way they can lose against them.
Time for Murray and Gasquet to show who are the most talented youngsters.

Puschkin
07-25-2008, 06:45 AM
It would make laugh no end if both Murray and Gasquet beat Nadal and Djokovic today.....it would shut up a little bit all those arrogant Djoko and Nadal fans who think that there is absolutely no way they can lose against them.
I'd join the laughter, but I think Djokovic will prevail.

JimmyV
07-25-2008, 06:56 AM
This thread sounds a lot like the Murray vs. Nadal thread at Wimbledon, and we all know how that ended.

JolánGagó
07-25-2008, 07:55 AM
Muzza's total obliteration from the face of the Earth is what will happen, pretty much the same fate awaiting Gasquet.

Knightmace
07-25-2008, 07:57 AM
Hope Nole loses but that is highly unlikely.

Bernard Black
07-25-2008, 09:56 AM
What the hell, I'll say Murray. He has to turn around this miserable head to head at some point. I hope he's figured out a way to make Djokovic break a sweat at least.

Turquoise
07-25-2008, 10:02 AM
Hope Murray's learned something from his previous encounters with Djokovic. Scrambling around defensively won't do the trick, also he must get a decent first serve percentage in. He's a versatile player, he can find a way to counter Djokovic's strengths and hold his own. Hoping for a competitive match.

FedererSlam
07-25-2008, 10:08 AM
I hope Murray will win to give me some interest in tennis for the moment..

Tennis really is dying.

cocrcici
07-25-2008, 10:10 AM
Nole 61 64

richie21
07-25-2008, 10:14 AM
I hope Murray will win to give me some interest in tennis for the moment..

Tennis really is dying.

Tennis would be the winner if both Murray and Gasquet won tonight.

FedererSlam
07-25-2008, 10:20 AM
Tennis would be the winner if both Murray and Gasquet won tonight.

But unfortunately the result will be the exact opposite I am 99% sure.

Clydey
07-25-2008, 10:31 AM
It would make laugh no end if both Murray and Gasquet beat Nadal and Djokovic today.....it would shut up a little bit all those arrogant Djoko and Nadal fans who think that there is absolutely no way they can lose against them.
Time for Murray and Gasquet to show who are the most talented youngsters.

That's what I'm talking about, Richie. Show defiance in the face of pessimism. A victory today is a victory for unfulfilled potential ;)

Bernard Black
07-25-2008, 10:40 AM
That's what I'm talking about, Richie. Show defiance in the face of pessimism. A victory today is a victory for unfulfilled potential ;)

Hope you're right. It would make the Federer decline much more palatable if these four were to duke it out at the top in his place.

richie21
07-25-2008, 10:45 AM
But unfortunately the result will be the exact opposite I am 99% sure.

I have a feeling Andy will pull the upset and beat the Djoker.
People read way too much in their previous H2Hs in my opinion.
Andy is much much better than what he has showed in most of his matches against Djokovic and i think Djokovic himself is aware of that.

Much less sure about Gasquet's chances Nadal though.

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 10:58 AM
My heart is willing a Murray victory here and hope he plays the way he can do, but my head is saying Djokovic in 2 really tight sets.

I just hope for Murray's sake, he puts up more of a fight than he did the last time. How's that for faith? :)

Venle
07-25-2008, 11:01 AM
Djokovic

Corey Feldman
07-25-2008, 11:39 AM
GSM Djokovic before the first ball is even struck

Herdwick
07-25-2008, 11:42 AM
:wavey: Morning Escude - a pleasure as always to read your input.

You're being very hard on our native son recently...a cruel master indeed.

Corey Feldman
07-25-2008, 11:56 AM
:wavey: Morning Escude - a pleasure as always to read your input.

You're being very hard on our native son recently...a cruel master indeed.I know .. bad moods ive been in lately

but it will still be a 2-0 win for the Yugoslav here

Jimnik
07-25-2008, 12:00 PM
Over 80% believe in Djokovic. Definitely a good sign for Murray.

The power of MTF polls. :rocker2:

adee-gee
07-25-2008, 12:02 PM
I'd settle for 8 games from Andy. Baby steps. First thing is to at least come close, then we can think about beating him.

Just a bad match-up for Muzza unfortunately, Djokovic needs to have an off-day and Muzza needs to play well for an upset.

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 12:04 PM
djokovic always overrates murray so i'd expect a bagel this time too.

Renaud
07-25-2008, 12:09 PM
Nadal/Gasquet and Murray/Djokovic in the bottom of the draw.

Cilic/Simon and Blake/Kiefer in the top....
Huum....

Unfortunate Richard and Andy here.....

Turquoise
07-25-2008, 12:16 PM
GSM Djokovic before the first ball is even struck

Oh ye of so little faith. Your boy will come good and make you proud again. :hug:

Bilbo
07-25-2008, 12:18 PM
N. Djokovic

zeleni
07-25-2008, 12:21 PM
I believe it will be Nole.

However I feel bad for Andy because of his H2H record with Nole. Andy is my third favourite player... I hope he will beat Nole someday, but not in Slams or Masters... maybe in Dubai or Marseille...

Corey Feldman
07-25-2008, 12:22 PM
Over 80% believe in Djokovic. Definitely a good sign for Murray.

The power of MTF polls. :rocker2:Never works in my favour

but i will add my vote for Nole anway

Clydey
07-25-2008, 12:35 PM
I have a feeling Andy will pull the upset and beat the Djoker.
People read way too much in their previous H2Hs in my opinion.
Andy is much much better than what he has showed in most of his matches against Djokovic and i think Djokovic himself is aware of that.

Much less sure about Gasquet's chances Nadal though.

I'm more confident in Gasquet today actually. Though I do think Andy is capable of winning today.

BounceBack
07-25-2008, 12:45 PM
Novak but I feel this is murrays best chance so far only based on joker not being on such a roll as he was when they have met before.

After all that, novak will wipe the floor with him still.

DhammaTiger
07-25-2008, 12:48 PM
As much as I want Murray to win as he will be easier for Rafa to face, I can't see him winning over Novak. Novak in his current form, I am afraid, is going to be very, very hard to beat.

Clydey
07-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Novak but I feel this is murrays best chance so far only based on joker not being on such a roll as he was when they have met before.

After all that, novak will wipe the floor with him still.

They haven't met on hard for a year and a half, so who knows what will happen. We can discount the clay match, since Novak was always going to walk that one.

A_Skywalker
07-25-2008, 12:53 PM
As much as I want Murray to win as he will be easier for Rafa to face, I can't see him winning over Novak. Novak in his current form, I am afraid, is going to be very, very hard to beat.

What form ?
How do you judge he is in good form

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 12:57 PM
What form ?
How do you judge he is in good form

he beat 2 opponents federer would've lost to , for example

Corey Feldman
07-25-2008, 01:00 PM
he beat 2 opponents federer would've lost to , for exampleyou cheeky wombat

quite right tho

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 01:03 PM
you cheeky wombat


:rolls:

MaryX
07-25-2008, 01:04 PM
It would make me laugh no end if both Murray and Gasquet beat Nadal and Djokovic today.....it would shut up a little bit all those arrogant Djoko and Nadal fans who think that there is absolutely no way they can lose against them.
Time for Murray and Gasquet to show who are the most talented youngsters.

I don't know why would we (Novak and Rafa fans) be arrogant?Not that we are #2 and #3 in the world?
Anyway, it isn't impossible for Murray and Gasquet to win their today's matches.They are fantastic players, I like them both.
Novak never underestimates Murray, that's why he always plays his best against him...

bokehlicious
07-25-2008, 01:11 PM
he beat 2 opponents federer would've lost to , for example

As long as Fed remains undefeated vs the likes of K. Anderson we Fed fans are fine... :angel: :p

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 01:12 PM
As long as Fed remains undefeated vs the likes of K. Anderson we Fed fans are fine... :angel: :p

Mardy Fish... nuff said? :p

Anderson is a future goat

bokehlicious
07-25-2008, 01:13 PM
Mardy Fish... nuff said? :p

Mardy Fish is an all time great compared to that Future's player :shrug: :p

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 01:14 PM
Mardy Fish is an all time great compared to that Future's player :shrug: :p

for the time being...

just wait and see :p

Pfloyd
07-25-2008, 01:26 PM
At what time is this match scheduled?

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 01:27 PM
not before 1 AM CET

Pfloyd
07-25-2008, 01:29 PM
not before 1 AM CET

1 AM? So it's a night match here in Europe?

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 01:31 PM
its a night match in canada too :p

Pfloyd
07-25-2008, 01:37 PM
its a night match in canada too :p

Aha, thanks.

:)

platinum
07-25-2008, 02:16 PM
Nadal/Gasquet and Murray/Djokovic in the bottom of the draw.

Cilic/Simon and Blake/Kiefer in the top....
Huum....

Unfortunate Richard and Andy here.....

This is the result of the ATP fixing the cupcake draws for monofed :o

richie21
07-25-2008, 02:20 PM
I don't know why would we (Novak and Rafa fans) be arrogant?Not that we are #2 and #3 in the world?
Anyway, it isn't impossible for Murray and Gasquet to win their today's matches.They are fantastic players, I like them both.
Novak never underestimates Murray, that's why he always plays his best against him...

If only all the Djokotards and Rafatards were as sensed as you.....;)

richie21
07-25-2008, 02:22 PM
Nadal/Gasquet and Murray/Djokovic in the bottom of the draw.

Cilic/Simon and Blake/Kiefer in the top....
Huum....

Unfortunate Richard and Andy here.....

At least, you can't accuse Uncle Toni of having fixed the draw this time :eek:

platinum
07-25-2008, 02:27 PM
At least, you can't accuse Uncle Toni of having fixed the draw this time :eek:

Rafa has had tougher draws than monofed all year long. :o

I've lost count of all the tournaments this year where Rafa had to play Nole in the SF while monofed played Seppi, Fish and Monfils in the SF... :o

ChocGeek
07-25-2008, 03:01 PM
I bet this match would be absolutely dramatic...

Damn
07-25-2008, 03:35 PM
I think that this match is gonna be far more interesting and competitive than eveybody imagine.

DDrago2
07-25-2008, 03:49 PM
Djokovic. He is a more serious player than Murray. Although Murray game is more inspired & fine skilled.

rocketassist
07-25-2008, 04:17 PM
Murray deserves to win, because he's not a faker/cheat. But he won't.

sanshisan
07-25-2008, 05:09 PM
This is the result of the ATP fixing the cupcake draws for monofed :o



You got it. Especially since as the 2007 Roger's Cup Champion, you would think Djokovic would be on the other side of the draw from the #2.

sanshisan
07-25-2008, 05:10 PM
Murray deserves to win, because he's not a faker/cheat. But he won't.


Are you saying Djokovic is a faker/cheat and if so - WHY?

rocketassist
07-25-2008, 06:28 PM
Are you saying Djokovic is a faker/cheat and if so - WHY?

Monfils US Open 2005
Stepanek US Open 2007
Federer Monte Carlo 08

There.

jonny84
07-25-2008, 06:45 PM
Novak in two sets.

Ma Baker
07-25-2008, 07:47 PM
Murray deserves to win, because he's not a faker/cheat. But he won't.

I have a feeling that it took you at least 3 hours to writte something genius like that

~*BGT*~
07-25-2008, 07:47 PM
As much as it pains me, I prefer Murray to win.

MIMIC
07-25-2008, 07:57 PM
Novak needs to come out with his game face on tonight.

Vida
07-25-2008, 08:19 PM
Seems like Novak handles Murray rather well. They grew up together, and once mental ownage gets established at such young age, its hard to get around it.

Though Murray used to beat Novak in juniors (not sure though).

Stensland
07-25-2008, 08:23 PM
Seems like Novak handles Murray rather well. They grew up together, and once mental ownage gets established at such young age, its hard to get around it.

Though Murray used to beat Novak in juniors (not sure though).

murray is a rock in the mental department, i doubt that he actually cares about what happened back in the juniors. that said, novak is equally strong, so the match is gonna be decided solely by their current form and tactics. novak has had the upper hand in the past but murray's always capable of surprises.

i think it will be a tight match with novak prevailing in three sets.

Vida
07-25-2008, 08:26 PM
murray is a rock in the mental department, i doubt that he actually cares about what happened back in the juniors. that said, novak is equally strong, so the match is gonna be decided solely by their current form and tactics. novak has had the upper hand in the past but murray's always capable of surprises.

i think it will be a tight match with novak prevailing in three sets.

Possibly.

But I don't think it will be decided by Murrays mental state, but rather Novaks. He has bigger game, and since he's owned him comprehensively its unlikely he will fold. Djokovic in 2. Everything else is a surprise.

Sunset of Age
07-25-2008, 08:27 PM
I'd be surprised if Muzza manages to take a set off of him. Pleasantly so.

RogandyFan
07-25-2008, 08:28 PM
I think Nole will come out on fire. Murray's first serve and forehand will have to be on to stand a chance.

Clay Death
07-25-2008, 08:29 PM
Seems like Novak handles Murray rather well. They grew up together, and once mental ownage gets established at such young age, its hard to get around it.

Though Murray used to beat Novak in juniors (not sure though).

"mental ownage". most excellent word. very creative.

i also like "testicular fortitude" which i invented.

scoobs
07-25-2008, 08:31 PM
Seems like Novak handles Murray rather well. They grew up together, and once mental ownage gets established at such young age, its hard to get around it.

Though Murray used to beat Novak in juniors (not sure though).
I can't see that they played "officially" in juniors although no doubt they will have played against each other many times back then not in tournaments.

Not that any of that matters.

Novak doesn't underestimate Andy at all and that's why he always comes out sharp and focused against him - he knows if he allows Andy to start playing his little tricks of patterns of play it could be a very frustrating day, so he doesn't allow it to happen and attacks anything short or slow - Djokovic rarely struggles with generating his own pace and this is what undoes a lot of Andy's opponents. They try to hit too hard and too close to the lines to neutralise his defense, and they miss. Djokovic can paint the lines all the day long when he's on so it doesn't work for Murray. Andy has yet to devise a strategy that throws Novak off his game and I'd be surprised if he does so tonight, though hope springs eternal.

scoobs
07-25-2008, 08:32 PM
I think Nole will come out on fire. Murray's first serve and forehand will have to be on to stand a chance.
His forehand wasn't bad yesterday in sets 1 and 3. His serve was fairly poor all day and that's the biggest worry. Andy will struggle to win more than 40% of his second serve points so he needs that 1st serve % right up or he'll be sliced and diced.

Stensland
07-25-2008, 08:32 PM
true. as i said in clay death's thread: once novak reaches a certain point in a tournament, like the quarterfinals, and realizes that all the guys he's about to face from now on are seeds that can take it to him, he's able to up the ante once more. the only ones who can stop him in major tournaments are those dangerous floaters in the early rounds where he somehow seems to be a little less focused and apparently has reached a mental stage where he kinda thinks that giving 60-70% will do it. well, he got proven wrong over the last 12 months.

but again, i don't see him faltering once he's on the big stage and needs to be fully focused in order to survive.

i see murray taking a set though as matches with him are just plain weird most of the time. the scoreline will be something alonge the lines of 1-6, 6-4, 6-2.

*edit: that was meant to be a response to vida's post.

Vida
07-25-2008, 08:33 PM
"mental ownage". most excellent word. very creative.

i also like "testicular fortitude" which i invented.

Gracias CD.

The other one suits Nadal most. Hes oblivious of choke 99 percent.

Whats Feds? "testicuiar shrinkage"

:lol:

scoobs
07-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Gracias CD.

The other one suits Nadal most. Hes oblivious of choke 99 percent.

Whats Feds? "testicuiar shrinkage"

:lol:
No - Fed is Wilanderless :)

richie21
07-25-2008, 08:37 PM
Seems like Novak handles Murray rather well. They grew up together, and once mental ownage gets established at such young age, its hard to get around it.

Hard but certainly not impossible.
Just need to look how Federer turned hugely negative H2Hs at the beginning in his favor(Henman,Hewitt,Nalbandian)

Vida
07-25-2008, 08:38 PM
I can't see that they played "officially" in juniors although no doubt they will have played against each other many times back then not in tournaments.

Not that any of that matters.

Novak doesn't underestimate Andy at all and that's why he always comes out sharp and focused against him - he knows if he allows Andy to start playing his little tricks of patterns of play it could be a very frustrating day, so he doesn't allow it to happen and attacks anything short or slow - Djokovic rarely struggles with generating his own pace and this is what undoes a lot of Andy's opponents. They try to hit too hard and too close to the lines to neutralise his defense, and they miss. Djokovic can paint the lines all the day long when he's on so it doesn't work for Murray. Andy has yet to devise a strategy that throws Novak off his game and I'd be surprised if he does so tonight, though hope springs eternal.

Thats it. Andy is very versatile player, probably more than Djokovic cause he slices things up, and his BH can hit more angled shots, but Djokovics asset: athleticism, agility and balance, coupled with extraordinary consistency of deep shot execution and change of pace and spin (esp fh spin) give him advantage over most players. Still, Andy could reach TB's and than who know what will happen. Thats when mental ownage thing gets going.

Vida
07-25-2008, 08:40 PM
Hard but certainly not impossible.
Just need to look how Federer turned hugely negative H2Hs at the beginning in his favor(Henman,Hewitt,Nalbandian)

True, but Fed had far bigger advantage: awareness that he is - by far - most talented of the bunch.

Burrow
07-25-2008, 08:41 PM
Both twats, don't care.

richie21
07-25-2008, 08:45 PM
True, but Fed had far bigger advantage: awareness that he is - by far - most talented of the bunch.

Hum i'm not sure that he was aware that he was BY FAR more talented than Nalbandian

10nisfan
07-25-2008, 09:01 PM
what? ONLY 31 PPL have Faith in Andy compared to 96 who Voted for Djoker?... Poor Andy... :lol:

Clydey
07-25-2008, 09:03 PM
Thats it. Andy is very versatile player, probably more than Djokovic cause he slices things up, and his BH can hit more angled shots, but Djokovics asset: athleticism, agility and balance, coupled with extraordinary consistency of deep shot execution and change of pace and spin (esp fh spin) give him advantage over most players. Still, Andy could reach TB's and than who know what will happen. Thats when mental ownage thing gets going.

I think it's consistency that Djokoic has over Murray. His shots are consistently deep. Murray too often leaves the ball short on his forehand. I don't think he has athleticism over Murray, but he definitely has consistentency and that's what's important. He also has a better forehand, which doesn't break down like Murray's can.

Clydey
07-25-2008, 09:06 PM
"mental ownage". most excellent word. very creative.

i also like "testicular fortitude" which i invented.

No, you didn't. That term has been around for years and years. I even heard "testicular fortitude" used back in the 90s when I watched pro wrestling.

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 09:07 PM
what? ONLY 31 PPL have Faith in Andy compared to 96 who Voted for Djoker?... Poor Andy... :lol:

That actually sounds like a wee bit of an improvement over earlier predictions :)

Vida
07-25-2008, 09:16 PM
I think it's consistency that Djokoic has over Murray. His shots are consistently deep. Murray too often leaves the ball short on his forehand. I don't think he has athleticism over Murray, but he definitely has consistentency and that's what's important. He also has a better forehand, which doesn't break down like Murray's can.

But that consistency is derived from athleticism. He also moves better (faster quicker as well) and is balanced better (better transition defense to offense). He also reacts better on short mid-court balls that usually comes as a consequence of angled deep shots. Better serve as well.

They are different physical specimens. Thats why Novak is better talent.

10nisfan
07-25-2008, 09:20 PM
That actually sounds like a wee bit of an improvement over earlier predictions :)

oh ok... maybe I should vote for Andy and be Number 32... :lol:

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 09:21 PM
oh ok... maybe I should vote for Andy and be Number 32... :lol:

Please do :)

10nisfan
07-25-2008, 09:33 PM
Please do :)

I Would have BUT Poll is Closed already... Sorry... :)

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Awwwww :(, the match ain't even started yet.

Clydey
07-25-2008, 09:35 PM
But that consistency is derived from athleticism. He also moves better (faster quicker as well) and is balanced better (better transition defense to offense). He also reacts better on short mid-court balls that usually comes as a consequence of angled deep shots. Better serve as well.

They are different physical specimens. Thats why Novak is better talent.

He's faster than Murray? I strongly disagree with that. I think even Murray haters would concede that he's one of the fastest on tour. He's certainly a better mover than Novak, who's a very good mover himself.

And yeah, Djokovic has a more consistent serve, which makes it better. He gets it in more and it's placed better. Murray serves harder, but isn't as consistent. I'd also agree that Djokovic deals with short balls much better.

I still think Murray is more talented. Nole is obviously the much better player, though, and has made more out of his talent.

Vida
07-25-2008, 09:37 PM
He's faster than Murray? I strongly disagree with that. I think even Murray haters would concede that he's one of the fastest on tour. He's certainly a better mover than Novak, who's a very good mover himself.

And yeah, Djokovic has a more consistent serve, which makes it better. He gets it in more and it's placed better. Murray serves harder, but isn't as consistent. I'd also agree that Djokovic deals with short balls much better.

I still think Murray is more talented. Nole is obviously the much better player, though, and has made more out of his talent.

blindness personified. don't worship.

Clydey
07-25-2008, 09:41 PM
blindness personified. don't worship.

Don't worship? I said that Murray is faster than Djokovic and you think that constitutes worship? I doubt many on here would disagree with me. It's pretty much accepted that Murray is one of the fastest on tour.

I also said Djokovic has a better serve, is more consistent, has a better forehand, and deals with short balls better than Murray. How can you call that blind worship? On the contrary, I'm happy to point out flaws in Andy's game. The moment I said Murray is faster than Nole, you got defensive. That, to me, is more like blind worship.

Vida
07-25-2008, 09:51 PM
Don't worship? I said that Murray is faster than Djokovic and you think that constitutes worship? I doubt many on here would disagree with me. It's pretty much accepted that Murray is one of the fastest on tour.

I also said Djokovic has a better serve, is more consistent, has a better forehand, and deals with short balls better than Murray. How can you call that blind worship? On the contrary, I'm happy to point out flaws in Andy's game. The moment I said Murray is faster than Nole, you got defensive. That, to me, is more like blind worship.

:lol: its ok Im just kidding.

No youre right, I said earlier in thread i like Murray, and I like his game as well. Hes extreme talent as is Djokovic. They were spoken about three years ago (by Jmac) as "the next big thing" or similar. Hes a predominant baseliner as are most players of that generations. All in fact. Mobile, agile, powerfull, very talented. Its just that rating is relative (who is "better" player) as always and is influenced by results... But there are other things to consider. Andy was injured and that hampered him in crucial time of his development. Thats important because it was not so long ago. They are both excellent players and Im sure Andy will have his own time under the sun. He just needs to get more consistent (and win) and that takes time. He'll be in contention for the Slams surely in the future.

I also like him because he stood up to his own and didn't succumb to (vast) pressure from British establishment and press. And he seems like a nice guy.

Who is more talented is very depandable and relative and usually leads to nothing. I still think Djoko is a bit faster player on hard courts :)

Horatio Caine
07-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Should really be Nole in straights imo...one comfortable set and one tight set, something like that. But these days, who knows? :shrug:

ReturnWinner
07-25-2008, 10:18 PM
Djokovic should win in straights, Murray is a special rival for him so likely he will go out with all cylinders firing.

Branimir
07-25-2008, 10:53 PM
When the match starts though? I thought it starts at 5 PM EST. :/

Vida
07-25-2008, 11:02 PM
When the match starts though? I thought it starts at 5 PM EST. :/

u jedan po nasem.

Knightmace
07-26-2008, 12:31 AM
Murray is winning 3-1 and serving! :D

Sunset of Age
07-26-2008, 12:32 AM
^^ No discussion of the match in GM...
(I beat you this time Scoobs. :p)

Knightmace
07-26-2008, 12:35 AM
Sorry forgot

Xenosys
07-26-2008, 12:36 AM
Sorry forgot

Murray's winning, nothing to be sorry about ;)

Black Adam
07-26-2008, 12:56 AM
Oh dear me!!
What next, Gasquet will follow suit??