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What you hear out and about in Toronto.

416_Life
07-24-2008, 02:18 PM
Some interesting messages said by players in Toronto.

Clement:

During his warm up, two people talking courtside.

"Shhh."

A ball boy passes him a towel and waits by him.

"Move. Give me some air."

To a ball girl that slowly gives him a towel

"Do you even understand English?"

To a linesman calling a line behind him.

"You're too close move back." The linesman takes two steps back. Clement turns back around. The linesman steps up two steps.

Kudryavtsev

To the chair umpire after a ball kid holds the umbrella behind him.

"Why is she holding the umbrella. I didn't ask her to. It's not even sunny."

To the chair umpire after being called for a footfault.

"So, can you overrule the footfault?" Chair responds, "I really would never." "No, but is it in the rules. Would you overrule if linesman was wrong, like now?"

Haas.

After missing a bad shot.

"Shit. O, sorry."

Two points later, having lost the first set.

"Shit." Chair umpire asks him to watch his language, because the crowd is right behind him.

One game later.

"God damn. Shit."

dylan24
07-24-2008, 02:24 PM
good stuff

Lee
07-24-2008, 02:44 PM
Same old vintage Clement :o

Chrisilson
07-24-2008, 02:53 PM
What a horrible personality he has

dorkino
07-24-2008, 02:57 PM
:lol: @Clement. I've always wondered why i used to read he's not loved around on tour. :smash: :o

federernadalfan
07-24-2008, 05:17 PM
clement = prick

Neely
07-24-2008, 05:23 PM
The funny thing is that Clement was apparently upset about that he got the towel too slowly this time. Normally he always wants the ball kids to slow down when they are throwing the balls too fast in a row to him.

hahaha I imagine that the "SHIT!!! ... oh, sorry" of Haas was funny in this situation :lol:

rocketassist
07-24-2008, 05:27 PM
If I was a ballboy and Clement mouthed me off, he'd have a broken jaw and the paramedics walking on to court.

Dick.

JolánGagó
07-24-2008, 05:30 PM
If I was a ballboy and Clement mouthed me off, he'd have a broken jaw and the paramedics walking on to court.

For Christ's sake :rolleyes:

lorenz
07-24-2008, 06:00 PM
It seems that Clement is an ass...

jazar
07-24-2008, 08:53 PM
If I was a ballboy and Clement mouthed me off, he'd have a broken jaw and the paramedics walking on to court.

Dick.

and you'd have a criminal record

GlennMirnyi
07-24-2008, 08:55 PM
If I was a ballboy and Clement mouthed me off, he'd have a broken jaw and the paramedics walking on to court.

Dick.

Then jail and then you'd lose your cherry. :lol: Criminals never receive well people in jail who haven't stolen anything... :haha:

Acer
07-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Is Clement really such a ****? It kinda makes me like him.

for-sure
07-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Lines judge: "Footfault"
Safin: "I haven't foot-faulted in 3 years."
Umpire: "You did last night"
Safin: "Ya, it was the same guy."

-------------------------------------------------------

Me: Demitry, I really like your shirt, can I have it?
Tursenov: What, you want my underwear too?
Me: Boxers of Briefs?
Someone else: Demitry, can you show me how to grow a go-T?
Demitry: Testosterone
Someone else: Can you teach me to hit a forehand like yours?
Demitry: Testosterone
--TIME PASSES---
Me: So is that a no on the shirt?
Demitry: If I give you one, what will I wear tomorrow.
Me: Let's switch.

tangerine_dream
07-24-2008, 09:45 PM
Haas.

After missing a bad shot.

"Shit. O, sorry."

Two points later, having lost the first set.

"Shit." Chair umpire asks him to watch his language, because the crowd is right behind him.

One game later.

"God damn. Shit."
:haha: Tommy.

leng jai
07-24-2008, 09:54 PM
Classic Haas, did I not say his match ups with Kolya are worth it just for the comedy :haha:

Nathaliia
07-24-2008, 11:29 PM
Clement probably talked with a bad French accent to that girl, who couldn't understand his English.

schorsch
07-25-2008, 12:04 AM
After the 30-30 point at 5-4 I heard Kiefer say : Dieses Schwein! Dieses verdammte Arschloch!!! He later on went muttering as well, but I couldnt hear what he said.

In English that's : That pig! (sounds much more offensive in German than in English). This damn asshole.

Haas has already cursed around once against Davydenko saying stuff like: Dieses kleine, miese russische Arschloch! (That little rotten Russian asshole!)

Now... Thats obviously something you shouldnt do even if you're not talking to the other player directly, but dont they realize Nikolay knows some German.

Goes to show how calm Niko is should he have heard some of these things. Other players would go ballistic...

I think its absolutely untorable and that it should be possible to fine them after the match given somebody reports it. I mean... Obviously you're gonna curse here and there and everyone has their own mother tongue, so the anglophone people get more warnings by umpires, but usually they just say, watch your language etc. etc. Now thats just out of frustration to the situation and not necessarily about the opp. personnally. But imo when cursing against the opp. happens reporting should be possible. I mean if somebody did that in English, he'd maybe even get disqualified for it.

What do you think about that?

And... for the record. This is not a thread to bash Davydenko and say immature stuff. Its an important matter that should be addressed, imo.

Nathaliia
07-25-2008, 12:07 AM
You are right especially Haas could get disqualified; Koellerer was banned for 6 months for calling Almagro "son of a bitch" in Spanish, and the umpire understood it.

schorsch
07-25-2008, 12:18 AM
yeah, i mean thats just so unfair. it depends on what languages the umpire understands....

maybe the umpires should be made to learn the most common curse words in every often used language out there :lol: yeah, i know its hard. it doesnt work like that.

but i still think something should be done.

schorsch
07-25-2008, 12:20 AM
btw, about languages. i remember a match with jankovic playing and her mother (who doesnt really meddle in the training or match with tennis knowledge and isnt signed in as a coach either etc etc) cheered her up saying stuff like ajde etc etc in serbian and i think... uhm asderaki gave her a warning, because it COULD have been coaching as she didnt know what was said...

well i dont know if this getting to far or not.

Henry Chinaski
07-25-2008, 12:34 AM
If I was a ballboy and Clement mouthed me off, he'd have a broken jaw and the paramedics walking on to court.

Dick.

They could make a sling out of his bandana. He'd be the most fashionable guy on the liquid diet ward.

Lee
07-25-2008, 12:53 AM
yeah, i mean thats just so unfair. it depends on what languages the umpire understands....

maybe the umpires should be made to learn the most common curse words in every often used language out there :lol: yeah, i know its hard. it doesnt work like that.

but i still think something should be done.

I believe some umpires do. I was in Indian Wells and the umpire gave Schuettler a warning for obscenity when he yelled in German. Rainer challenged asked in English if he understood. He replied he would discuss with him back in locker room as the word was not for public :p Since I talked to the umpire before the match, I am quite sure he's not German or European from his accent.

Sean.
07-25-2008, 01:59 AM
btw, about languages. i remember a match with jankovic playing and her mother (who doesnt really meddle in the training or match with tennis knowledge and isnt signed in as a coach either etc etc) cheered her up saying stuff like ajde etc etc in serbian and i think... uhm asderaki gave her a warning, because it COULD have been coaching as she didnt know what was said...

well i dont know if this getting to far or not.

Ya I remember that. Maybe it was a bit harsh.

They should have translators in the players boxes and courtside otherwize English speaking players get unfairly penalised.

I remember Murray got a warning for saying what the umpire though was 'fuck' (actually it turned out it wasn't). But spanish, french....players get away with swearing!

JolánGagó
07-25-2008, 04:05 AM
The day English native speakers care to learn second lenguages as much as other lenguages speakers care to learn English none of that will happen.

oranges
07-25-2008, 04:15 AM
The day English native speakers care to learn second lenguages as much as other lenguages speakers care to learn English none of that will happen.

They do learn the needed phrases for tournaments, even in Croatia, twisting their tongues to pronounce those multiple-constant words, but doing OK :D I'm not sure they're keen on learning cus phrases, though.

federernadalfan
07-25-2008, 04:15 AM
They should have a "speak one language" rule. Any player who speaks or mumbles another language automatically gets a fine or a penalty. It should probably be english because i think most umpires understand that. This could be a solution.

Jelena
07-25-2008, 07:24 AM
Now... Thats obviously something you shouldnt do even if you're not talking to the other player directly, but dont they realize Nikolay knows some German.

Davydenko knows very decent German, not only some German.
yeah, i mean thats just so unfair. it depends on what languages the umpire understands....

maybe the umpires should be made to learn the most common curse words in every often used language out there :lol: yeah, i know its hard. it doesnt work like that.

but i still think something should be done.
I remember when Ivaniševic was on top the umpires was given a handbook with the most common swearings in multiple languages.
btw, about languages. i remember a match with jankovic playing and her mother (who doesnt really meddle in the training or match with tennis knowledge and isnt signed in as a coach either etc etc) cheered her up saying stuff like ajde etc etc in serbian and i think... uhm asderaki gave her a warning, because it COULD have been coaching as she didnt know what was said...

I remember a similar situation. It was at a Challenger, Ricardo Mello and Hugo Armando playing doubles together. Armando's father was cheering them on in Spanish, and suddenly the umpire gave Ricardo and Hugo a warning for coaching. They both were like :eek:, I also insisted that was nothing than a cheering, but the umpire didn't take it back.

MurrayFan1
07-25-2008, 08:08 AM
Clement and his towel. It's so stupid the way he takes his glasses off and wipes his nose after every point.

ToniTennis
07-25-2008, 10:19 AM
If I was a ballboy and Clement mouthed me off, he'd have a broken jaw and the paramedics walking on to court.

Dick.

Really? I'd just discreetly spit on his towel ;)

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 10:24 AM
Ya I remember that. Maybe it was a bit harsh.

They should have translators in the players boxes and courtside otherwize English speaking players get unfairly penalised.

I remember Murray got a warning for saying what the umpire though was 'fuck' (actually it turned out it wasn't). But spanish, french....players get away with swearing!

I'd like to see Murray learn some basic Japanese if he feels he needs to let out some of that pent-up frustration out on court. "Fuck" in a scottish accent, is quite hard to ignore, as funny as it is.

"Fakku" wouldn't work because that sounds like the above.

"Paizuri" would work through, even though it means "Breast Fuck" in Japanese.

nisha
07-25-2008, 10:37 AM
Lines judge: "Footfault"
Safin: "I haven't foot-faulted in 3 years."
Umpire: "You did last night"
Safin: "Ya, it was the same guy."

:lol:

Lopez
07-25-2008, 10:49 AM
I see Xenosys has learned some of the most useful and relevant words regarding his upcoming trip to Japan.

;)

Sean.
07-25-2008, 11:36 AM
Really? I'd just discreetly spit on his towel ;)

:haha:

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 11:40 AM
I see Xenosys has learned some of the most useful and relevant words regarding his upcoming trip to Japan.

;)

Ahahaha ;) You're good.

Nah, I've accumulated a wealth of curses in all sorts of different languages through many drunken nights out. Here's how a conversation normally pans out:

Me : "So where are you from (in a drunken slur)?"
Them : "China, actually"

*then 2-3 minutes of useless conversation*

Me: "Oh, how interesting.... So how do you say "fuck" in Chinese then?"

At which point they answer and then leave to go to the bathroom/bar. God knows why.

In all seriousness though, I've been quite busy in a new job so I really havent had the opportunity to keep up to date with the trials and tribulations of the Toronto masters this year. I'll be keeping an eye on the scores and such tonight though. Big night of action awaits :)

Tommy fan
07-25-2008, 11:54 AM
Clement :o No wonder he's nt very liked..

Haas :lol:

Lopez
07-25-2008, 11:58 AM
He, it's funny how all the conversations between us guys usually end up in stuff like "How do say a**hole in your language?" etc. When I was in Germany on a language course, the Danes wanted to learn all the Finnish swearwords and then used them during the whole 3 week period... Also once when the German class from our high school visited a school in Germany, the Germans learned all the Finnish swearwords and kept shouting them every time during buss rides... The teachers loved that.

I know what you mean about watching tennis, I'm also at my summer job so I have to wake up at approx 7am... No chance to watch the late matches. Luckily I really have nothing to do in July when everyone else is on vacation (argh!) so I can pretty much zone out all day. My energy drink addiction is deepening though. At least the weekend is coming, so I can stay up later :)

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 12:09 PM
He, it's funny how all the conversations between us guys usually end up in stuff like "How do say a**hole in your language?" etc. When I was in Germany on a language course, the Danes wanted to learn all the Finnish swearwords and then used them during the whole 3 week period... Also once when the German class from our high school visited a school in Germany, the Germans learned all the Finnish swearwords and kept shouting them every time during buss rides... The teachers loved that.


I've sub-conciously expanded my vocab over the past 7 years. International banter is just fun, fun, fun when it's taken in the right way with no malice intended :)


I know what you mean about watching tennis, I'm also at my summer job so I have to wake up at approx 7am... No chance to watch the late matches. Luckily I really have nothing to do in July when everyone else is on vacation (argh!) so I can pretty much zone out all day. My energy drink addiction is deepening though. At least the weekend is coming, so I can stay up later

I had a friend who was addicted to energy drinks and drank at least 2 litres a day, not to mention expresso's and such on top of that. I'm sure his kidney's turned into pate at one point when he wouldn't stop shaking. I'd watch your intake :cool:

Lopez
07-25-2008, 12:42 PM
Well my intake is hardly that, at worst 0,6 litres a day. Usually just one can on weekdays, weekends no need.

decrepitude
07-25-2008, 01:26 PM
I'd like to see Murray learn some basic Japanese if he feels he needs to let out some of that pent-up frustration out on court. "Fuck" in a scottish accent, is quite hard to ignore, as funny as it is.

"Fakku" wouldn't work because that sounds like the above.

"Paizuri" would work through, even though it means "Breast Fuck" in Japanese.

I have said it before: Murray should learn to curse in Gaelic. Possibly Fergus Murphy would understand, but none of the other umpires I would think.

Xenosys
07-25-2008, 02:26 PM
I have said it before: Murray should learn to curse in Gaelic. Possibly Fergus Murphy would understand, but none of the other umpires I would think.

Good point actually :), never ever thought about a language so close to home like Gaelic.

Yeah, Lopez that doesn't sound too bad at all. You had me thinking you were downing the stuff like alcohol at a beer festival.

bjurra
07-25-2008, 03:40 PM
They should have a "speak one language" rule. Any player who speaks or mumbles another language automatically gets a fine or a penalty. It should probably be english because i think most umpires understand that. This could be a solution.

Haha, poor Hyung-Talk Lee...he would have to be completely silent. Oh wait, he already is.

federernadalfan
07-25-2008, 03:48 PM
Haha, poor Hyung-Talk Lee...he would have to be completely silent. Oh wait, he already is.

I think he knows enough english to communciate with the umpires. Btw, it's hyung-taik lee, lol. And there is nothing wrong with being silent on court. More preferred actually. The rule i suggested was to prevent players from swearing in foreign languages most umpires don't understand. Either be silent or swear in english or let alone speak another language and receive an automatic penalty.

Herdwick
07-25-2008, 04:21 PM
You can't reasonably penalise someone for speaking their own language. Providing it's not aimed as a direct insult at the opponent, the umpire or a member of the public I say let them swear - it's a damn good outlet for frustration.

federernadalfan
07-25-2008, 04:29 PM
You can't reasonably penalise someone for speaking their own language. Providing it's not aimed as a direct insult at the opponent, the umpire or a member of the public I say let them swear - it's a damn good outlet for frustration.

well then the problem will never be solved...how are the umpires to know if they are swearing at the opponent or swearing at all if they don't understand the language?

QuicKyMonSter
07-25-2008, 04:38 PM
Jesse, I just saw you on TV :lol:

Neely
07-25-2008, 04:38 PM
Since I talked to the umpire before the match, I am quite sure he's not German or European from his accent.
Umpires have a list of the most frequent verbal obsceneties of the most frequent languages. However, if it is not audible, if the player speaks an accent that the umpire does not understand, if the umpire doesn't have a clue how the word is pronounced, it's not all the time useful.

Herdwick
07-25-2008, 04:45 PM
It is usually obvious if the player is swearing directly at his opponent or at the umpire as opposed to just venting his frustration at his end of the court. Yelling anything in any language if he misses a shot on the baseline can probably be disregarded. A face-off at the net or at a changeover is another matter.

Yappa
07-25-2008, 05:11 PM
What do you think about that?


Hm, you ask what I think about it?
He didn't say "dieses Schwein". It was clearly "fettes Schwein", which is german for "fat pig" and could mean that he was criticizing himself for moving too slow.

The first few words were difficult to make out:
He said "Fängst an......Dich zu..." ("Fängst an Dich zu bewegen?")

Then followed by "Fettes Schwein" and "Arsch....?" and a few other words.

I still won't rule out the possibility that he somehow insulted Davydenko, since it was impossible to understand all words...

Maybe I should upload the first part of my recording, so that those interested can judge for themselves, instead of basing their opinions on what others may have heard.

Neely
07-25-2008, 05:29 PM
I don't remember the exact words anymore. But I think the part you are referring to happened later in the 1st set as Kiwi was angry at himself because he didn't move properly or moved too late to a shot. If we're meaning the same, this swearing was clearly about himself and not to Davydenko.

Stensland
07-25-2008, 05:39 PM
i'm not sure about kiwi either, but haas is definitely swearing at his opponents pretty constantly even though he's hard on himself as well. i remember david ayme telling the media that he had never felt as insulted during his whole life as during the time he coached tommy and sat in his box. he was ok with it though but anyways, tommy's one of the worst when it comes to swearing on court. kiefer can also be ruff, no doubt about that, but usually i get the feeling he's more upset about his own game than other people while tommy concentrates on others.

schorsch
07-25-2008, 06:04 PM
oh ok i didnt really hear it then. it was hard to hear though. but he certainly didnt say arschloch to himself. i think he might have said fettes schwein to himself and then asshole meaning davydenko. cause there he said dieses, didnt he ? doesnt make any sense otherwise.