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Nadal vs. Andreev WWW?

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 11:45 AM
This thread is a much better one that Nadal vs Levine, IMHO. :p

Well, Nadal had his typical first round HC match and did not play that well.

Andreev has the type of game that can trouble Nadal on HC, but I think he's lacking the head.

I say Nadal in 2.

7-6, 6-3.

What do you say?

finishingmove
07-24-2008, 11:48 AM
andreev.

4 hour match.

Mateya
07-24-2008, 11:48 AM
Rafzilla should clinch it in 2 or 3, but is has been a strange tournament + Rafa is not at his best on HC, so my Vcash will be on Igor just in case.
:)

PiggyGotRoasted
07-24-2008, 11:51 AM
Andreev in 2

Lurker011
07-24-2008, 11:56 AM
i think andreev is gonna roast the pig.

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 11:58 AM
Nadal. I will post my reasons in a moment.

Mimi
07-24-2008, 11:59 AM
Rogiman is back :unsure::help:
i think andreev is gonna roast the pig.

PiggyGotRoasted
07-24-2008, 12:06 PM
The pig will lose in 2 easy sets like the mug he is.

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 12:08 PM
Igor isn't winning, as much as I'd love that result. Two things will more than likely happen, one that Nadal will donkey punch him, the other Andreev gets himself into a great position, then proceedes to get into a 3rd set TB and lose it, then Rafa steamrolls to victory in this event.

Problem with Andreev is that he could easily hit many forehands into Buffalo, as he can winners. Well this match will be a good test to see whether Nadal has the testicular fortitude to hit forehands down the line, because that's a good shot against Andreev, considering his court positioning.

Nadal still goes 99 percent crosscourt with his forehand, he is only less predictable than Hewitt is with the BH in that regard. The fact I saw the DTL shot on clay, is something I liked and want to see more of it. He will need to use it more on the hardcourts and it's a lot more difficult for him to execute it. Though it's not like Nadal's usual strategy hasn't been successful.

Big Igor lives for off forehands and this goes to Nadal's strength, which you need to do to beat him, this pattern will continue and Andreev isn't as dangerous when he has to hit the forehand on the run. The thing that works for both of them is that the ball will mostly go into their comfort zone.

I seriously think those 2 scenarios are going to happen in this match, both of them will equal the same thing as Nadal winning.

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 12:10 PM
Igor isn't winning, as much as I'd love that result. Two things will more than likely happen, one that Nadal will donkey punch him, the other Andreev gets himself into a great position, then proceedes to get into a 3rd set TB and lose it, then Rafa steamrolls to victory in this event.

Problem with Andreev is that he could easily hit many forehands into Buffalo, as he can winners. Well this match will be a good test to see whether Nadal has the testicular fortitude to hit forehands down the line, because that's a good shot against Andreev, considering his court positioning.

Nadal still goes 99 percent crosscourt with his forehand, he is only less predictable than Hewitt is with the BH in that regard. The fact I saw the DTL shot on clay, is something I liked and want to see more of it. He will need to use it more on the hardcourts and it's a lot more difficult for him to execute it. Though it's not like Nadal's usual strategy hasn't been successful.

Big Igor lives for off forehands and this goes to Nadal's strength, which you need to do to beat him, this pattern will continue and Andreev isn't as dangerous when he has to hit the forehand on the run. The thing that works for both of them is that the ball will mostly go into their comfort zone.

I seriously think those 2 scenarios are going to happen in this match, both of them will equal the same thing as Nadal winning.

Heh, similar to a Nadal vs. PHM match.

But the h2h in that one is horrible.

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 12:13 PM
Heh, similar to a Nadal vs. PHM match.

But the h2h in that one is horrible.

Andreev has beaten Rafa and got him to a 7-6 in a 3rd set tiebreaker in Dubai. I think it was the year Rafa won there, though I'm not sure.

Andreev gets more topspin on the FH than Mathieu, but Paulo will actually hit a backhand now and then.

If Andreev starts hitting backhand down the line winners, then you know he is in good form.

PiggyGotRoasted
07-24-2008, 12:16 PM
Roast Piggy

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 12:17 PM
Andreev has beaten Rafa and got him to a 7-6 in a 3rd set tiebreaker in Dubai. I think it was the year Rafa won there, though I'm not sure.

Andreev gets more topspin on the FH than Mathieu, but Paulo will actually hit a backhand now and then.

If Andreev starts hitting backhand down the line winners, then you know he is in good form.

Nope, Nadal lost to Youzhny that year (last year).

Yeah, PHM and Andreev are diffrent, but in this case, Andreev is a bigger threat than he was to Nadal on Dubai, I sense the courts are faster here, at least they look to me on TV.

You mentioning Igor's BH DTL is true, but Nadal 2nd serve and ball depth are also important cues.

Either way, match should be interesting.

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 12:23 PM
Nope, Nadal lost to Youzhny that year (last year).

Yeah, PHM and Andreev are diffrent, but in this case, Andreev is a bigger threat than he was to Nadal on Dubai, I sense the courts are faster here, at least they look to me on TV.

You mentioning Igor's BH DTL is true, but Nadal 2nd serve and ball depth are also important cues.

Either way, match should be interesting.

The courts look average speed to me, they aren't usually fast in Canada, it's Cincy where they are very quick, but that can depend on the humidity as well.

Andreev, problem with him, is that he is very poor around the net. He will get some short balls and have to win them from the baseline, because Rafa will make some great gets as usual and a competent volleyer could finish them off at the net, this is not Igor.

Yes, Andreev has the weapons to create some problems for Nadal, but the question is, will he play at a high enough level for a sustained period of time. This is what I have my doubts about.

Pfloyd
07-24-2008, 12:28 PM
Hah, that's the problem all players have against Nadal.

Sustaining the level.

They end up knocking him out a lot of times due to repeated bad match ups for Nadal.

It wears him down after playing 2 matches 3 hours each having to fight his balls off against a player who is out-hitting him.

Granted, he loses to players that play better than him on a given day, a.k.a Tsonga AO 08 or Davydenko Miami final.

Then again, consistency is the key to success.

DragonFly
07-24-2008, 12:42 PM
Rafa in 3.


That's if Andreev isn't completely exhausted.

Lopez
07-24-2008, 12:55 PM
I think it might be a great match, 3 setter. I'd like Igor to join the roasters, but don't realistically consider it an option. Igor can give Rafa troubles IMO if he hits his forehand well. Igor's topspin on the forehand is crazy when it's on, it "kicks like a mule" as Robby Koenig said. If he gets his shots deep, Rafa will probably land some short balls.

federernadalfan
07-24-2008, 01:06 PM
rafa in two sets, pretty comfortably. He will step up to another gear after that not so good match with levine.

Clay Death
07-24-2008, 01:39 PM
I think it might be a great match, 3 setter. I'd like Igor to join the roasters, but don't realistically consider it an option. Igor can give Rafa troubles IMO if he hits his forehand well. Igor's topspin on the forehand is crazy when it's on, it "kicks like a mule" as Robby Koenig said. If he gets his shots deep, Rafa will probably land some short balls.

i am enjoying that sig Lopez. too funny.

Nadal is too smart to feed Andreev forehands all day.

Lopez
07-24-2008, 01:57 PM
Hehe, sorry CD but it was a funny comment. I have nothing against you and like to see you back, MTF wasn't the same when you were gone.

Still I disagree totally with you're one handed backhand comments :P :D

Clay Death
07-24-2008, 01:59 PM
Hehe, sorry CD but it was a funny comment. I have nothing against you and like to see you back, MTF wasn't the same when you were gone.

Still I disagree totally with you're one handed backhand comments :P :D

thanks Lopez for the kind remarks. its important to have different points of view.

i just did see that sig. i am still laughing. its quite creative and funny.

Lopez
07-24-2008, 02:00 PM
And yes, Nadal is too smart to feed forehands all day, however we know that Igor camps in the backhand corner and will go around his forehand whenever possible, and the slower Nadal's shots are, ie. the more topspin they have, the easier will it be to move around and hit the forehand. Besides, no one can just place the ball at will from any position, not even the Clay Monster ;)

rhinooooo
07-24-2008, 02:08 PM
PMK is pretty much spot on. With Andreev running around his backhand all the time, the wisest thing Rafa can do is hit the FH down the line. It served him so well during RG, Queens and Wimbledon. It's the big adjustment he made after his battle against Novak in Hamburg. He started playing so aggressive in that rematch at RG, and it was all due to that FH down the line. Not sure if he'll do it though. He still looks too uncomfortable on the surface. Igor is in some good form, and seeing a couple of his matches recently, he's not hitting his backhand too badly at the moment. It should be a competitive match at least.

Mateya
07-24-2008, 02:09 PM
Besides, no one can just place the ball at will from any position, not even the Clay Monster ;)

He is also a Grass monster. :toothy:
;)

Clay Death
07-24-2008, 02:12 PM
He is also a Grass monster. :toothy:
;)


in looking at your sig, Fed did say after his loss yesterday that his serve was not there to rescue him. i think he served at around 50%.

if you can catch him serving at around that range, he can be beaten. Volandri caught him serving at 45% in Rome in 2007 and took him out.

PiggyGotRoasted
07-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Andreev is already one up on nadal in this tournament.

Quadruple Tree
07-24-2008, 03:14 PM
Nadal vs. his right handed doppleganger. What is the record for longest match in Toronto? This match could easily surpass that.

JolánGagó
07-24-2008, 03:36 PM
Andreev will fight but has no chance. Nadal in 3.

Clay Death
07-24-2008, 03:38 PM
Andreev will fight but has no chance. Nadal in 3.


i seriously doubt that the Clay Monster will let him take a set.

Clay Monster: 7-5, 6-4.

ImmzB
07-24-2008, 04:02 PM
Rafah In 2 Sets

Deivid23
07-24-2008, 04:57 PM
I don´t think it will be an easy match for Rafa. I´d say sth like Nadal, 4-6 6-4 6-2

Puschkin
07-24-2008, 05:08 PM
Nadal, rather easily, I feel.

Allez
07-24-2008, 05:20 PM
Why is there even a poll :shrug: Nadal to cream Igor in 2 sets as he steps up his hard court campaign. Hes's the number 1 player in the world and even on his least favourite surface he's still head an shoulders above Andreev.

selyoink
07-24-2008, 05:34 PM
A fresh Andreev would have a chance, but I doubt he is still fresh thus it will be similar to the Levine scoreline.

Merton
07-24-2008, 07:08 PM
I think Nadal in 2 here, if Igor is on it would be an interesting match but still Nadal will win.

Damn
07-24-2008, 07:12 PM
7-5 6-3 or something like that. The first set will be tough, probably.

Venle
07-24-2008, 07:18 PM
Andreev in 3

kinglear
07-24-2008, 07:28 PM
The fact that these are hardcourts is the only reason I think Andreev has a chance. It's either going to be a tight two-set match for whoever wins. It won't go to three sets. :)

RAFAfan25
07-24-2008, 09:54 PM
what happen 2 u clay death?? i missed the clay monster statements! it took u awhile though to revert back to the clay monster nick u reserved for him! glad to see u alive and kicking on this thread! anyway, i think this might be a tight encounter with the mighty KING RAFA edging it in the end! VAMOS RAFAAAAAAAA

Sean.
07-24-2008, 09:56 PM
Rafa in 2.

Close 1st set, easy second;)