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Toronto R2: Stanislas Wawrinka def. Marat Safin 6-3, 6-4

federernadalfan
07-24-2008, 03:20 AM
well done wawrinka, good job safin, better luck next time. :worship:

kalisita
07-24-2008, 03:22 AM
:sad: Safin

:) Wawa. He needed to win this match in order to live up to his seeding now that he's in the top 10.

betowiec
07-24-2008, 03:22 AM
2 ez 4 $tan

Sean.
07-24-2008, 03:23 AM
Did anyone watch the match? How was it?

Marat maybe too in 2 day was too much .. :sad:

oranges
07-24-2008, 03:26 AM
Good win for Wawa

Marat :sad: So many break points :(

Jimnik
07-24-2008, 03:26 AM
Marat 0/6 BPs converted :help:

But that wasn't the problem. Even if he had converted Stan would have broken right back. He was always in control and could win points whenever fully focused. Marat still not constructive enough from the back of the court. He relies too much on big serving and opponent errors. Stan wasn't great today but he still looked comfortable.

leng jai
07-24-2008, 03:29 AM
Ridiculous making a player play 2 matches within 5 hours of each other.

HoistDaColors
07-24-2008, 03:30 AM
there were some very good exchanges. little separated them except safin couldn't convert his breaks chances :sad:
Stan was too good and too consistent.

I still think Safin will play some good tennis the rest of the season. Before, if things didn't go well, he will just implode. Now I see him a lot more focus and try to fight when he's behind.

flower14
07-24-2008, 03:31 AM
Marat had like 100 BPs. Wawrinka in second set was lucky that he was not broken. Marat did not take advantage of any BPs he had. I cant remember how many 0-40, 15-40 there were on wawrinkas serve. But Marat was ready to go to bed. He looked Sleepy. But i guess it was too much to ask from safin to win two matches in less than 5 hours. He has not won two straight matches on Hard court since last year. So asking him to win two Hard Court matches in less than 5 hours back to back??..i guess thats just too much asking. Come On Marat..give us a good hard court season now.

Jimnik
07-24-2008, 03:35 AM
It wasn't just the BP conversion, there were many times he went 0-15, 0-30 up and then looked totally unconvincing. He shanked a return or played passive and let Stan boss him. No ideas in his head how to play on the crucial points.

Kolya
07-24-2008, 03:36 AM
Nice one Wawa! :yeah:

federernadalfan
07-24-2008, 03:39 AM
safin played two matches today, so he deserves a little bit of slack

selyoink
07-24-2008, 03:51 AM
safin played two matches today, so he deserves a little bit of slack

Playing Querrey hardly constitutes playing a match.

Fabio83
07-24-2008, 04:02 AM
Marat loses: poor guy

Simon wins: mug pusher

Love MTF

martine2
07-24-2008, 04:04 AM
Well done Wawa :bounce:

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 04:09 AM
Excellent performance from Wawrinka, he always had this in control. He showed why he is the real Swiss no 1.

schorsch
07-24-2008, 04:13 AM
BRILLIANT play by Stanislas. It was just awesome to watch. I was in awe for large parts of this match... Crazy stuff :drool:

i will upload the match on t3nnis.tv once its encoded ;)

Tommy fan
07-24-2008, 06:54 AM
Stan :bounce:

bokehlicious
07-24-2008, 06:58 AM
Hope Stan will carry the Swiss flag at the Olympics, and not that useless Basler diva...

Lucinda
07-24-2008, 07:17 AM
This match was a bit boring to watch. I'm glad Wawa won though - I want him to live up to his seeding and do well in big tournaments. His surliness and self-doubt endears me to him.

nisha
07-24-2008, 08:40 AM
:sad: 2 matches within 5 hours is harsh. you have to mentally prepare again, cant let your body relax, wonder if he got a massage, he must have been hella pissed by it.
what time did he get on court for the second round?

Rafalover15
07-24-2008, 08:42 AM
:hug:
Safin

Jelena
07-24-2008, 09:01 AM
Ridiculous making a player play 2 matches within 5 hours of each other.

:sad: 2 matches within 5 hours is harsh. you have to mentally prepare again, cant let your body relax, wonder if he got a massage, he must have been hella pissed by it.
what time did he get on court for the second round?
On future or challenger level, where players still play doubles matches to earn enough money in the week this schedule is completely normal. :rolleyes:

Mashachosen1
07-24-2008, 09:02 AM
Well done Stan! :banana: better luck next next hottie Marat. :drool: :hug:

Venle
07-24-2008, 09:36 AM
Well done, Stan ;)

oranges
07-24-2008, 09:48 AM
On future or challenger level, where players still play doubles matches to earn enough money in the week this schedule is completely normal. :rolleyes:

This makes sense to you as a comment on a Masters event where one player was fresh and the other not? :rolleyes:

Jelena
07-24-2008, 09:54 AM
This makes sense to you as a comment on a Masters event where one player was fresh and the other not? :rolleyes:
Marat is a pro, isn't he? Once in a lifetime he should cope to play two matches a day. He didn't play 3 hours in the first match, but only one.

oranges
07-24-2008, 09:59 AM
Marat is a pro, isn't he? Once in a lifetime he should cope to play two matches a day. He didn't play 3 hours in the first match.

So is Wawa? What's your point? No one said it was the be all and end all of the match, but it was disadvantageous and a few people commented on it as one element. You dismissed it by comparing it with a futures or challenger event :confused:

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 10:01 AM
So is Wawa? What's your point? No one said it was the be all and end all of the match, but it was disadvantageous and a few people commented on it as one element. You dismissed it by comparing it with a futures or challenger event :confused:

No, people are just looking for excuses to see why Safin got beaten, when the facts are he was clearly outplayed in this match.

Jelena
07-24-2008, 10:01 AM
So is Wawa? What's your point? No one said it was the be all and end all of the match, but it was disadvantageous and a few people commented on it as one element. You dismissed it by comparing it with a futures or challenger event :confused:
Do you think playing on a Future tournament is less tiring than playing at a Masters? Have you ever watched a match on a Future tournament? I can assure you they aren't.

oranges
07-24-2008, 10:05 AM
No, people are just looking for excuses to see why Safin got beaten, when the facts are he was clearly outplayed in this match.

Was I looking for excuses? Is it not a disadvantage? Why are we even having this discussion?

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 10:10 AM
Was I looking for excuses? Is it not a disadvantage? Why are we even having this discussion?

It's an excuse deal with the circumstances. If people want to be smart about this, then there have been times when Safin has been favoured by playing a match indoors in the middle of the day, because of the heat at the Aus Open, but that's alright.

In other words, sometimes it works for them and other times it doesn't. Safin knew the circumstances and is a pro and has to deal with them.

It's far from the first time that there have been matches doubled up at a TMS event, it happens when it's an outdoor event.

Smash.
07-24-2008, 10:31 AM
Marat :o
Well at least you lost to someone I like, but start winning again bitch :kiss:

oranges
07-24-2008, 10:32 AM
It's an excuse deal with the circumstances. If people want to be smart about this, then there have been times when Safin has been favoured by playing a match indoors in the middle of the day, because of the heat at the Aus Open, but that's alright.

Again, I've myself never even mentioned it, but rolling eyes at a comment that does doesn't seem very rational to me either. To you, mentioning it seems like excuses, to me jumping on a comment that mentions it seems like a negative bias towards the player in question.

As for Safin being favored by playing indoors because of the heat, that would favor both players equally. The disadvantage if any occurred would be for those who had to play in the heat and possible him the next day. If so, it would be a valid argument to introduce as one of the elements in play.


In other words, sometimes it works for them and other times it doesn't. Safin knew the circumstances and is a pro and has to deal with them.
It's far from the first time that there have been matches doubled up at a TMS event, it happens when it's an outdoor event.

But that doesn't mean people don't comment on it, does it. It also doesn't mean this one couldn't have been avoided if the schedulers have done their job better, but if I mention it, I guess it would again be looking for excuses, even though I've never said that was decisive for a match.

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 10:42 AM
Again, I've myself never even mentioned it, but rolling eyes at a comment that does doesn't seem very rational to me either. To you, mentioning it seems like excuses, to me jumping on a comment that mentions it seems like a negative bias towards the player in question.

As for Safin being favored by playing indoors because of the heat, that would favor both players equally. The disadvantage if any occurred would be for those who had to play in the heat and possible him the next day. If so, it would be a valid argument to introduce as one of the elements in play.

Incorrect, as Safin was playing Hrbaty who at the time, was the fittest player on tour and loved playing in the heat, so that was advantageous to Safin, because the one clear element that Hrbaty had over him was taken away, in addition to Safin being an outstanding player with a roof. I know exactly why I used that particular example. It favoured him that day and that was the fortune that went for him.

Basically, it cheapens Wawrinka's win as if to say Safin only lost because he had to play 2 matches in one day, he had a big rest and playing Querrey, it's not like he was playing a Robredo or a Nadal is it.

Which leads to the original point. Someone it's in your favour and other times it isn't. Yes, it's still an excuse, whoever mentions it.

Jelena
07-24-2008, 10:47 AM
Again, I've myself never even mentioned it, but rolling eyes at a comment that does doesn't seem very rational to me either. To you, mentioning it seems like excuses, to me jumping on a comment that mentions it seems like a negative bias towards the player in question.

But that doesn't mean people don't comment on it, does it. It also doesn't mean this one couldn't have been avoided if the schedulers have done their job better, but if I mention it, I guess it would again be looking for excuses, even though I've never said that was decisive for a match.
I don't have negative bias towards Safin, I'm only sick of the comments that say he lost the match BECAUSE he played LESS THAN ONE HOUR. Marat is a pro who knew the schedule before, so he wasn't surprised he would have to play again. If he had played 3 hours vs Querrey before I would have accepted this argument, but not after less than one hour, sorry.

oranges
07-24-2008, 10:52 AM
Basically, it cheapens Wawrinka's win as if to say Safin only lost because he had to play 2 matches in one day,

That's your view of those comments. Mine is that people who made those comments were just hoping he MIGHT have done better if the first match was played when it should have been, thus having more of a chance. Wawa's win would be diminished only if someone actually implied Safin would have won if only he had more rest. No one ever said or implied that.

he had a big rest and playing Querrey, it's not like he was playing a Robredo or a Nadal is it.

Wow. They should have marked that one a win without playing than.

oranges
07-24-2008, 10:54 AM
I don't have negative bias towards Safin, I'm only sick of the comments that say he lost the match BECAUSE he played LESS THAN ONE HOUR. Marat is a pro who knew the schedule before, so he wasn't surprised he would have to play again. If he had played 3 hours vs Querrey before I would have accepted this argument, but not after less than one hour, sorry.

And you've seen that said where exactly? See the response to PMK's post for my view of the comments. I'm out, pointless discussion that never should have been started in the first place.

Action Jackson
07-24-2008, 10:56 AM
That's your view of those comments. Mine is that people who made those comments were just hoping he MIGHT have done better if the first match was played when it should have been, thus having more of a chance. Wawa's win would be diminished only if someone actually implied Safin would have won if only he had more rest. No one ever said or implied that.

Yes, the rain came down deliberately for the Safin match, so he had to play it yesterday. These same people would have bitched that he was moved to a non-TV court in the case of bad weather.

The organisers know it, the big Russian sells tickets, he brings in fans and puts arses on seats. Hence they put him the night match.

Wow. They should have marked that one a win without playing than.

So a match with Querrey, is going to harder and have more gruelling rallies than one with Nadal and Robredo is it? Different kinds of matches, have different effects.

Do you want to keep playing this game or what?

Jelena
07-24-2008, 10:59 AM
And you've seen that said where exactly? See the response to PMK's post for my view of the comments. I'm out, pointless discussion that never should have been started in the first place.
Have a look here....
Ridiculous making a player play 2 matches within 5 hours of each other.

But i guess it was too much to ask from safin to win two matches in less than 5 hours.
These posts implicate that he lost BECAUSE he had to play two matches in a day.

Burrow
07-24-2008, 11:00 AM
Marat is a pro, isn't he? Once in a lifetime he should cope to play two matches a day. He didn't play 3 hours in the first match, but only one.

You're a complete idiot, always will be, does this tournament look anything like a challenger, the quality is much higher and their's more at stake. So piss off you old fool.

oranges
07-24-2008, 11:17 AM
Yes, the rain came down deliberately for the Safin match, so he had to play it yesterday. These same people would have bitched that he was moved to a non-TV court in the case of bad weather.

The organisers know it, the big Russian sells tickets, he brings in fans and puts arses on seats. Hence they put him the night match.

Sigh. Switching the two night matches around to secure that the first round match is completed would be too much of an inconvenience I guess.

So a match with Querrey, is going to harder and have more gruelling rallies than one with Nadal and Robredo is it? Different kinds of matches, have different effects.

The point is every match has its effects. A more difficult one would be more of a disadvantage and could get to the point of being utterly ridiculous to expect the player to be competitive. If the match with Querry was so irrelevant and easy, why not pencil it in right away and be done with it.


Do you want to keep playing this game or what?

It's a dull game, why would I want to play it. I just want people to stop rolling eyes at a perfectly normal comment, if possible.

Jimnik
07-24-2008, 01:07 PM
These posts implicate that he lost BECAUSE he had to play two matches in a day.
I think you're reaction is a little oversensitive. They just mentioned it as a disadvantage. It doesn't take anything away from Wawrinka.

Spes
07-24-2008, 01:09 PM
This is what should have happened at Wimbledon, Stan. :mad:

Tommy fan
07-24-2008, 01:27 PM
This is what should have happened at Wimbledon, Stan. :mad:

Better late than never ;)

Jaap
07-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Expected one.

LefandePatty
07-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Safin had no chance, Stan was just the better player:bowdown::hearts:
It was obvious that Stan was never gonna lose this match:yeah::rocker2: