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When will Federer NOT be considered the favoirte to win?

MIMIC
07-24-2008, 03:04 AM
Seems like despite all of these loses, he's still considered the favorite to win every tournament that he enters (except the French Open, of course). So I ask, how many more tournaments must Federer losses to not be considered the favorite to win? Upcoming: Cincinnati Masters, the Olympics & the U.S. Open.

marcRD
07-24-2008, 03:05 AM
He was rightfully considered the favorite in Halle and Wimbledon, but now he is mentaly destroyed so I would say he simply is not favorite to win anything anymore. Next year with a new coach and a new approach to the game, then we will see.

Deivid23
07-24-2008, 03:06 AM
Betting-wise, I´d say if he doesn´t win Cinci, we won´t be a fav come the Olympics time unless Nadal or Djokovic also make bad results in both which is unlikely, specially from Djokovic. If he wins one out of Cinci or Olympics he will still be fav to win USO. Hope this helps

Stefwhit
07-24-2008, 03:08 AM
From now to the foreseeable future Fed will always be a favorite at worse. I think it's already at the point where he's not necessarily the number one pick, but I don't think it'll get to the level where he's totally discounted. If anything I think there will now be co-favorites viewed to win and he'll be amongst those favored.

rofe
07-24-2008, 04:04 AM
When he is #2 :shrug:

And he will get there soon enough.

scoobs
07-24-2008, 04:06 AM
When he is #2 :shrug:

And he will get there soon enough.
There. Wasn't hard was it.

Jimnik
07-24-2008, 04:10 AM
Losing Cincy would do the trick. If he can't win on the fastest court, what can he win on?

neenah
07-24-2008, 04:12 AM
A match on clay against Nadal? :shrug:

Deivid23
07-24-2008, 04:16 AM
There. Wasn't hard was it.

Great minds think alike, yup

selyoink
07-24-2008, 04:45 AM
Djokovic is the favorite in any hard court event he enters.

finishingmove
07-24-2008, 04:46 AM
whenever he plays a nemesis of his , like simon who leads their head to head.

A_Skywalker
07-24-2008, 09:28 AM
Maybe if he loses in CIncinnati he will not be considered favourite.

vincayou
07-24-2008, 09:34 AM
When he is #2 :shrug:

And he will get there soon enough.

Depends on the surface, he was never the favourite on clay despite being n°1. And he's not the favourite on hard since the beginning of the year IMO.

In addition, ranking reflect the form on a full year. Right now, still n°1 (but for how long) and not the favourite anymore (behind Djoko but still ahead of Nadal on hardcourt).

Athletics1982
07-24-2008, 07:05 PM
I vote for lose all cincy, Olympics and US Open, but I think you should consider other factor, if Federer loses, you must see which round he loses, if he loses back-to-back in his 1st match, maybe after cincy or olympics he will not be favorite, but if he loses in Finals, maybe even his results is 3 runner-up in the row, maybe he will still be favorite. And, you must see who defeat Federer, if he all lose to the same oppenent (just like he loses to Rafa in clay), then that oppenent maybe will rise to be the favorite.

star
07-24-2008, 07:07 PM
He's the favorite as long as he's the number one player. After that, we can talk about others being favored over Federer.

Merton
07-24-2008, 07:09 PM
When the markets don't consider him the favourite to win.

octatennis
07-24-2008, 07:11 PM
when he stop playing tennis. next year everything can go back to reality.

Petrovic
07-24-2008, 07:11 PM
I think cincy will tell us more.
Joker is only warming up now , not playing his best tennis yet.
Just remember how he played AO and IW, it was fantastic tennis !

Roger,s form is on the way down since long time ago !

Clay Death
07-24-2008, 07:12 PM
When the markets don't consider him the favourite to win.

you mean when the buffoons figure out that he has lost a little step and it is having greater than proportional effect on his game.

also being owned by players in his own era sort of makes the case "for greatest ever", shall we say, rather weak. he never counted on competition but it creeped up.

Merton
07-24-2008, 07:17 PM
you mean when the buffoons figure out that he has lost a little step and it is having greater than proportional effect on his game.

also being owned by players in his own era sort of makes the case "for greatest ever", shall we say, rather weak. he never counted on competition but it creeped up.

For sure there are buffoons out there but on aggregate I don't think they are. If it is the case then there is easy money left on the table. I am not saying that the market is efficient, far from it, but it is hard to identify opportunities and there is no particular reason to suggest these potential opportunities are related to Federer.

Merton
07-24-2008, 07:18 PM
To make it more specific, if Roger also bombs out in Cincy then the one between Nadal and Djokovic to do better in the two masters should be the betting favourite in the Olympics imo.

Clay Death
07-24-2008, 07:23 PM
For sure there are buffoons out there but on aggregate I don't think they are. If it is the case then there is easy money left on the table. I am not saying that the market is efficient, far from it, but it is hard to identify opportunities and there is no particular reason to suggest these potential opportunities are related to Federer.


good point.

MacTheKnife
07-24-2008, 07:47 PM
For me, after last nights miserable performance. For a lot of the "tennis experts" once he drops to 2 or 3. As long as he clings to the #1 spot, most of them will still consider him the favorite on every thing except clay.

tennisfan444
07-25-2008, 01:46 AM
I think we're at the tail end of the Fed era for sure but I'm not ready to totally count him out. Hes too great a player not to produce some more great wins the open, the aussie next year, a few more masters.
I'm the only person who believes the current losing streak is going to make him more popular then ever when hes suddenly sparks back into form and starts winning again if only for a short while

Sean.
07-25-2008, 03:06 AM
He's no longer the favourite. I would pick Nadal and Novak over him right now

jcempire
07-25-2008, 03:25 AM
I vote for lose all cincy, Olympics and US Open, but I think you should consider other factor, if Federer loses, you must see which round he loses, if he loses back-to-back in his 1st match, maybe after cincy or olympics he will not be favorite, but if he loses in Finals, maybe even his results is 3 runner-up in the row, maybe he will still be favorite. And, you must see who defeat Federer, if he all lose to the same oppenent (just like he loses to Rafa in clay), then that oppenent maybe will rise to be the favorite.

Well, you wouldn't see him lose back-to-back in 1st Game.

He still the favorite even he lose all 3 (Cincy, Olym, USO), or you can say one of favorite.

But you can't say he is not the favorite with two Slam Final and 1 Semi-Final in his worst year

Fedex
07-25-2008, 04:25 AM
you mean when the buffoons figure out that he has lost a little step and it is having greater than proportional effect on his game.

also being owned by players in his own era sort of makes the case "for greatest ever", shall we say, rather weak. he never counted on competition but it creeped up.

I don't think Federer is the greatest ever, but you present a very poor case for him not being the greatest.

What player, other than Nadal, has "owned him"? Even the Nadal H2H is skewed because the majority of the matches were on clay.

finishingmove
07-25-2008, 04:28 AM
When the markets don't consider him the favourite to win.

that is merely the consequent, and its already running late if u ask me.

MIMIC
07-31-2008, 09:59 PM
I say today's loss snaps his momentum of always being the favorite.

Albatros99
07-31-2008, 10:08 PM
Who is the nutter who still considers him as favourite? Federer is finished, finito, acabado, fini. His ego was crushed by Nadal at Wimbledon.

RafaTheBest
07-31-2008, 10:09 PM
It's all OVA! No more favorite status for Fed!

JV1965
07-31-2008, 11:33 PM
He's not favorite, but I will not be surprized if he returns to #1 position for some period within next ~100 weeks.:awww:

Bug
07-31-2008, 11:38 PM
He's no more favorite since today...
xD

Henry Chinaski
08-01-2008, 12:34 AM
Nadal is now favourite for the US Open.

First time Fed hasn't been the favourite for a non-clay event since.....fuck knows. probably since he won wimbledon for the first time?

so "when he loses to Karlovic" or "July 31st" to answer the original question.

shotgun
08-01-2008, 12:42 AM
Funny, now winning the event that his typically traditionalist fans despise could be the push that he needs to get back part of his confidence for the USO.

MIMIC
08-14-2008, 10:40 PM
Is he still the favorite?

choppaa
08-14-2008, 10:54 PM
Is he still the favorite?

Yes. He still needs to lose to Davydenko to become ordinary top ten player.

GugaF1
08-14-2008, 11:10 PM
Federer will never stop being one of the favorities at every tournaments he enters no matter what, forget about it guys. A player with this type of talent and track record, just can´t be desconsidered.

Just like Sampras, even in a low level part of his career, in the later stages, was never trully disregarded. His win at the US open 2002 was a "surprise" but in a not really way. ;)

Mateya
08-14-2008, 11:36 PM
He won't be the favourite for USopen, but he will probably be the favourite to win Basel or some local club tournament or F8 futures. :)

Bernard Black
08-15-2008, 12:36 AM
The U.S. Open is a tough call, you'd have to rank the top 3 as joint favourites really. It's a knee-jerk reaction to say Federer's out of the running, but as we've seen, there's no doubt he's more vulnerable this year.

Mimi
08-15-2008, 07:38 AM
my old pete, the only one to have won his last professional match by a grand slam win :worship::worship:
Federer will never stop being one of the favorities at every tournaments he enters no matter what, forget about it guys. A player with this type of talent and track record, just can´t be desconsidered.

Just like Sampras, even in a low level part of his career, in the later stages, was never trully disregarded. His win at the US open 2002 was a "surprise" but in a not really way. ;)

MILOS
08-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Nadal is now favourite for the US Open.

First time Fed hasn't been the favourite for a non-clay event since.....fuck knows. probably since he won wimbledon for the first time?

so "when he loses to Karlovic" or "July 31st" to answer the original question.

Nadal is favorite for USO but not he first favorite to win it.

Fed will be one of the favorites for any tournament at least till the end of the year.

bambelbitz
08-20-2008, 07:21 PM
After this year (as opposite of the previous years), everybody of the top guys thinks that he has a shot at winning against Roger.

rafa_maniac
08-21-2008, 09:16 AM
The U.S. Open is a tough call, you'd have to rank the top 3 as joint favourites really. It's a knee-jerk reaction to say Federer's out of the running, but as we've seen, there's no doubt he's more vulnerable this year.

Not being the favourite does not = "out of the running". Nadal as the world #1, #1 seed and bookies favourite has to be considered the TOP favourite, but Federer and Djokovic are right there still.

Chris Seahorse
08-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Not being the favourite does not = "out of the running". Nadal as the world #1, #1 seed and bookies favourite has to be considered the TOP favourite, but Federer and Djokovic are right there still.

Absolutely true. Federer will no longer be the favourite in any tournament he competes in with Nadal or Djokovic. But it would be a fool who wrote of his chances of adding more titles to his porfolio. That said, he is going to have to play a lot better than he has of late if he hopes to win more trophies.