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rofe
07-24-2008, 02:57 AM
Oh this is the thread for Cincy 2008 by the way. :p

Albop
07-24-2008, 02:59 AM
Last chance for roger, good luck :yeah:

Sunset of Age
07-24-2008, 03:07 AM
Oh this is the thread for Cincy 2008 by the way. :p

Good one. :yeah:

elessar
07-24-2008, 03:26 AM
Considering the form he usually brings to this tournament, I think we can expect another week long vacation for Roger :D

Marek.
07-24-2008, 03:31 AM
Maybe since he usually plays like shit here it will be the opposite this year. :D :D






or not

Sunset of Age
07-24-2008, 04:01 AM
Considering the form he usually brings to this tournament, I think we can expect another week long vacation for Roger :D

Claire, don't mind me asking, but are you indeed a fan of Roger's? Considering the fun you always seem to be having around the board, I hope it's not a too far off question... :rolleyes:

juninhOH
07-24-2008, 04:07 AM
I was with a bad feeling when I went to watch stupid Batman movie instead of watching Federer's match. I cannot believe he lost against Simon. And the worst is, its not going even to be that useful this loss, I mean, he is still on the doubles.

Bah, he should have skipped if he were to come and make 51 UE.

elessar
07-24-2008, 04:36 AM
Claire, don't mind me asking, but are you indeed a fan of Roger's? Considering the fun you always seem to be having around the board, I hope it's not a too far off question... :rolleyes:
Yes, clearly the wimbledon final was one of the highlight of my year :D Tonight being a close second. I'm hoping Cincy can top that with a loss to Djokovic.

I'm trying to stay polite and nice (Obviously I'm failing miserably as always) but it's over 5 AM and it was one of the most ridiculous question I was ever asked on this forum. I'm sorry if I prefer to try and laugh about those kinds of losses rather than to cry all over the forums so a troll can put my posts in his sig but yes that was too far off a question.

leng jai
07-24-2008, 04:37 AM
Free hugs here for any broken hearted female Federer fans.

rofe
07-24-2008, 04:39 AM
Yes, clearly the wimbledon final was one of the highlight of my year :D Tonight being a close second. I'm hoping Cincy can top that with a loss to Djokovic.

I'm trying to stay polite and nice (Obviously I'm failing miseraby as always) but it's over 5 AM and it was one of the most ridiculous question I was ever asked on this forum. I'm sorry if I prefer to try and laugh about those kinds of losses rather than to cry all over the forums so a troll can put my posts in his sig.

Go to sleep Claire Bear. :hug:

wackykid
07-24-2008, 04:46 AM
i think i don't care for cincy... usopen.. olympics or anything else for the rest of the year already... just hope that federer can take off the pressure from himself and reflect back on his tennis... find his motivation back and bounce back the next year. the positive side is... there will be much lesser pressure the next year!


regards,
wacky

nobama
07-24-2008, 04:47 AM
Yes, clearly the wimbledon final was one of the highlight of my year :D Tonight being a close second. I'm hoping Cincy can top that with a loss to Djokovic.

I'm trying to stay polite and nice (Obviously I'm failing miseraby as always) but it's over 5 AM and it was one of the most ridiculous question I was ever asked on this forum. I'm sorry if I prefer to try and laugh about those kinds of losses rather than to cry all over the forums so a troll can put my posts in his sig but yes that was too far off a question.:worship: to you for being able to do so.

riddle05580
07-24-2008, 04:57 AM
As depressed as Toronto was, there's no way to go back. I think the only choice left to me now is to look forward and expect Roger's good performance in Cincy.:sad: In fact, I think I'll support him to the end despite whatever awaits ahead. Since when I became such a fanatical fan? :help: Roger...:crying2:

wildegirl05
07-24-2008, 05:05 AM
Yes, clearly the wimbledon final was one of the highlight of my year :D Tonight being a close second. I'm hoping Cincy can top that with a loss to Djokovic.

I'm trying to stay polite and nice (Obviously I'm failing miseraby as always) but it's over 5 AM and it was one of the most ridiculous question I was ever asked on this forum. I'm sorry if I prefer to try and laugh about those kinds of losses rather than to cry all over the forums so a troll can put my posts in his sig but yes that was too far off a question.

:hug: i think your method of coping is vastly preferable to my own repeated :banghead:. sigh.

Sunset of Age
07-24-2008, 05:13 AM
Well, then, have fun over here guys.
I'm off.

I hope to be able to continue the conversation with some folks on PM. If not - enjoy. :wavey:

BigJohn
07-24-2008, 06:04 AM
20 vcash he does better in Cincy.

Noelman
07-24-2008, 11:43 AM
Already placed my attention to Cincy...
Let's see what will happen... :armed:
...In fact I will not take it too serious, like wacky said, just want Roger without pressure and enjoy his game.

SUKTUEN
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
Roger Don't give up!!!!!!

Come On Roger!!!

rofe
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
I think he will do better in Cincy but I have zero expectations at this point. In fact, even if he manages to win Cincy, I will have pretty low expectations for the rest of the year. He has been too up and down this year.

elessar
07-24-2008, 03:32 PM
The ups being Halle and Estoril ?:p
The only good thing is that it's probably the worst possible surface there is ATM for Nadal and Djokovic rarely does well in B2B tournaments, that won't help much if he loses first round again though

rofe
07-24-2008, 05:17 PM
The ups being Halle and Estoril ?:p
The only good thing is that it's probably the worst possible surface there is ATM for Nadal and Djokovic rarely does well in B2B tournaments, that won't help much if he loses first round again though

And the clay season. :)

elessar
07-24-2008, 05:28 PM
I know, I was just taking the piss :p
For me the ups were definitely the victories over Djokovic and Nalbandian at MC. I really thought everything was back to normal after those wins :o

Corey Feldman
07-24-2008, 06:03 PM
Just an idiotic disgrace and shambles of the man he used to be ..

his tennis is absolutely dreadful to watch thesedays - that is the worst part of everything

why is he letting this happen? no heart at all.

i cant bare to see how much worse it'll be and how more demented he's gonna get :o

he's ruined my enjoyment of this sport - although i do at least agknowledge he gave us great years before the crash came

but now its all so sad.

Minnie
07-24-2008, 06:18 PM
I don't like the title of this thread as I think Roger cares very much - how could he not - no matter what some think on here. I care - but not for myself nor anyone else here but for Roger. He loves the game, he loves playing - how the hell do you think he feels when he plays the way he did last night? I didn't cry about the loss. I just felt very sad for him. Sad that all his dreams for 2008 are turning to dust. It pained me to see him struggle and be so inconsistent in those 2nd + 3rd sets. I'll support him no matter what ... always have, always will. I'm no fairweather fan!

nobama
07-24-2008, 06:34 PM
I don't like the title of this thread as I think Roger cares very much - how could he not - no matter what some think on here. I care - but not for myself nor anyone else here but for Roger. He loves the game, he loves playing - how the hell do you think he feels when he plays the way he did last night? I didn't cry about the loss. I just felt very sad for him. Sad that all his dreams for 2008 are turning to dust. It pained me to see him struggle and be so inconsistent in those 2nd + 3rd sets. I'll support him no matter what ... always have, always will. I'm no fairweather fan!Agreed. Even though I get frustrated at times I have a hard time being pissed at Roger because I know how he's feeling. Look at pics of him after the match last night and tell me he doesn't care. Bullshit.

nobama
07-24-2008, 06:35 PM
Just an idiotic disgrace and shambles of the man he used to be ..

his tennis is absolutely dreadful to watch thesedays - that is the worst part of everything

why is he letting this happen? no heart at all.

i cant bare to see how much worse it'll be and how more demented he's gonna get :o

he's ruined my enjoyment of this sport - although i do at least agknowledge he gave us great years before the crash came

but now its all so sad.Roger's ruined your enjoyment? I could think of a lot of players that have ruined it more for me than Roger. Nadal is the 1st player that comes to mind.

*Elsie*
07-24-2008, 06:42 PM
Just an idiotic disgrace and shambles of the man he used to be ..

his tennis is absolutely dreadful to watch thesedays - that is the worst part of everything

why is he letting this happen? no heart at all.

i cant bare to see how much worse it'll be and how more demented he's gonna get :o

he's ruined my enjoyment of this sport - although i do at least agknowledge he gave us great years before the crash came

but now its all so sad.Don't be so harsh on Roger Mikey :awww: It may look like he is letting it happen, but I am sure that he isn't. If anything, he is very proud and he will be back, although it will never be the same.

robinhood
07-24-2008, 08:30 PM
He couldn't stay on top forever and was bound to go through tough times like this at some point.

Just didn't see it happening so soon. :sad:
Certainly he will do better at Cincy.
I KNOW HE WILL!! :mad:

Rita
07-24-2008, 09:49 PM
:rocker::rocker2:Cmon Roger

yanchr
07-25-2008, 05:10 AM
Obviously we all care...I expect him to do better than Toronto :tape:

Win your first single match on hard court pls :help: :rocker2:

rofe
07-25-2008, 05:31 AM
Obviously we all care...I expect him to do better than Toronto :tape:

Win your first single match on hard court pls :help: :rocker2:

I hope you recovered faster than the Wimbly match. You won't even feel upset if he loses his 1st round match at Cincy because you would have become desensitized to his losses. :tape:

SUKTUEN
07-25-2008, 06:10 AM
ALLEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Roger!!!!

GOD Please Bless Roger find his way!!!:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

yanchr
07-25-2008, 06:30 AM
I hope you recovered faster than the Wimbly match. You won't even feel upset if he loses his 1st round match at Cincy because you would have become desensitized to his losses. :tape:
:lol:

Yeah I was suffering at work yesterday during the match only looking at the sb... I breathed some fresh air and ranted to one of my friends during my lunch break, and I was totally fine after an hour or so :angel: I said I just pretend he has never been out playing since two weeks ago :tape:

I do hope I become desensitized to his losses, but I don't think I'm able to :o

But thanks for caring rofe :hug:

nobama
07-25-2008, 12:13 PM
Here's an article by Steve Tignor which I thought was quite good

Herr Forehand
Posted 07/24/2008 @ 3 :42 PM

This one is harder to explain.

Roger Federer has lost more often this year than in the recent past, but there were extenuating circumstances to his most significant defeats. They could be boiled, roughly speaking, down to two things: Illness and Nadal.

Federer’s loss in his opening-round match to Gilles Simon last night in Toronto, however, is tough to link to anything in particular. His own explanation was hard-court rust—he hadn’t practiced much on the stuff after Wimbledon—and the usual difficulty players have finding their groove right away in a first-rounder. Nadal himself suffered from the same thing when he went down 1-4 in the first set yesterday to Jesse Levine.

What made Federer’s match less explicable was that he didn’t have much trouble to start. He seemed determined to take the initiative against his counterpunching opponent, who looked a little overwhelmed by his first experience facing the world No. 1, and in an evening session to boot. Federer did what he could to increase that pressure by working to finish points quickly and at the net. Coming into the match, I had wondered whether Simon could give Federer trouble—they’d never played and the Frenchman won last week in Indy. But as the first set ended, I decided Simon was just too defensive for Federer. Like Nadal, he could run shots down; but unlike Nadal, he couldn’t respond to them with much force of his own.

There was a shift in the mood of the match early in the second set. Simon had settled down—he was finally ready to take his best shot and see what he could do—while Federer was showing signs of the forehand troubles that would explode on him at the end of the match. He was misfiring in particular on his approaches down the line; he looked like he was rushing and moving through them in an impatient effort to get to the net. Has he been listening too much to his many critical fans who have spent the last three years urging him to move forward, particularly against Nadal? (I think the Tennis Channel’s Robbie Koenig would like to see him take every ball out of the air. Which would be entertaining when you think about it.) But no matter how many times he came to the net when he beat Sampras at Wimbledon in 2001, Federer is a power baseliner who can volley, rather than a natural net-rusher—his biggest advantage over other players will always be his forehand ground stroke—much the same way that Sampras was a server who could volley, rather than a classic serve-and-volleyer.

Or maybe Federer was just anxious because Simon had begun to get a read on his movement around the net and find the range on his passes. While Simon is an unimpressive presence (he's 5-foot-11, 150 pounds) and a less-than-imposing ball-striker—he caresses his backhand over the net—it’s hard to imagine Federer beating him any other way than running him off the court. He wasn’t going to out-defend him. Simon hits what looks to me like a tricky ball—low and slow, but not as slow as you might guess from watching his gentle swing, and just deep enough to keep his opponent from hauling off and hitting a clean winner on it. The Frenchman broke after a long game to go up 4-2, then gave it back by hitting a sitter volley into the tape. Again, I assumed he was going to lose, this time because it was clear he wasn’t ready to actually take a lead against Federer.

That still seemed to be the case even after Simon won the second set. He reached 30-30 on an early service game of Federer’s in the third, then went away again. Federer went up 3-1, and then played a superb game to reach 4-3. Still, the forehand was a problem. It even got to the point where Simon began serving into it on crucial points.

No matter how up and down Federer was through the evening, I don’t think anyone was prepared for the final game of the match. He served at 4-5 and immediately hit four wild, highly unforced errors. This was the point where Federer usually hangs on and survives an early-round test; instead, he “lost” his forehand. The only thing I could compare it to was a similar meltdown that Steffi Graf suffered against Arantxa Sanchez Vicario in the early 90s. We forget that Graf did anything other than mow down her opponents. But she had her days when she couldn’t keep her forehand inside the doubles alleys.

Graf relied utterly on her forehand, but it was a flat, late shot that was dependent on her athleticism more than her technique. In other words, it could go haywire. We’ve always thought of Federer as a complete player, and his forehand is much smoother than Graf’s was. The German's shot was a raw force of nature; Federer's is a kind of Platonic ideal of the stroke. But from a practical perspective, how much does he also rely on it to elevate him above his opponents? How much would his game suffer if it went just slightly more haywire, slightly more often? It’s a beautiful shot, but he takes risks with it by hitting it early and on the rise. With his ascent to the top of the rankings came a major decrease in the number of shanks he hit on both sides. But his whippy technique, on both his forehand and backhand, didn’t change or become any less risky.

Federer will be 27 on August 8. When Sampras turned 27, in August 1998, he was in the middle of his sixth and final full year as the No. 1 player in the world. Federer’s relinquishment of that spot at some point was always inevitable. And so was his increasing inconsistency. As much as age slows you down and robs you of explosiveness, it also does something more basic: it makes you miss more often. That to me is the simplest explanation for why Lleyton Hewitt is no longer in the Top 5. His game was predicated on not missing; as he got older, he missed more.

But what isn’t inevitable is seeing Federer lose his shots, particularly his forehand, completely. The times when Graf did were painful to watch. There was something not right about seeing her blast that famous roundhouse stroke 10 feet wide—her nickname was Fräulein Forehand, after all. There was something not right in seeing Federer do the same with his effortlessly lethal and elegantly efficient forehand as the match went on last night. Maybe it’s the pressure of the Slam record. Maybe it’s the rise of Nadal. Maybe it’s the Wimbledon final. Maybe it’s the lack of hard-court practice. Maybe it’s the aging process. Maybe it's the "monster" of expectations. Maybe it was just one match. Maybe it won’t last. I’m all for changing of the guards at No. 1, and I understand that losses happen. But as with Graf, if nothing else I want to see Federer hit his forehands in. Her force of athletic nature, his Platonic ideal: Those shots were put on the earth to work. The sport just wouldn't seem right otherwise.

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/thewrap/2008/07/herr-forehand.html

Daniel
07-25-2008, 02:43 PM
Good luck Roger :hug:

:bounce: :bounce:

SUKTUEN
07-25-2008, 03:23 PM
thanks for the article~~~

Roger !!! Come On!!
We wait for your fight back!!!
GOD Please Bless Roger find his way!!!!:worship:

riddle05580
07-26-2008, 01:01 AM
Cincy draw out. Posted on rf.com Roger could face Karlovic early. Don't like that Roddick's in his quarter b/c Roddick always seems to play well here....and it's one of the faster surfaces. Easy quarter for Nadal...no surprise there. :rolleyes: And he draws Djoker in his half again. :lol:


R. FEDERER SUI [1] BYE
Q vs GINEPRI, Robby USA
ANCIC, Mario CRO vs ACASUSO, Jose ARG
BELLUCCI, Thomaz BRA vs KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO [16]

ROBREDO, Tommy ESP [12] vs FISH, Mardy USA
BENNETEAU, Julien FRA vs SODERLING, Robin SWE
KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp GER vs Q
A. RODDICK USA [6] BYE

DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS [4] BYE
TIPSAREVIC, Janko SRB vs MOYA, Carlos ESP
ISNER, John USA [wc] vs Q
ANDREEV, Igor RUS: vs STEPANEK, Radek CZE [16]

GASQUET, Richard FRA [11] vs LLODRA, Michael FRA
TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS vs SAFIN, Marat RUS [WC]
QUERREY, Sam USA vs MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA
MURRAY, Andy GBR [8] BYE

BLAKE, James USA [7] BYE
KIEFER, Nicolas GER vs SIMON, Gilles FRA
NIEMINEN, Jarkko FIN vs GULBIS, Ernests LAT
JOHANSSON, Thomas vs SWE vs WAWRINKA, Stanislas SUI [9]

GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI [13] vs BERDYCH, Tomas CZE
LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP vs SEPPI, Andreas ITA
Q vsv BOLELLI, Simone ITA
DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB [3] BYE

FERRER, David ESP [6] BYE
LAPENTTI, Nicolas ECU vs CILIC, Marin CRO
LEVINE, Jesse USA [WC] vs Q
Q vs VERDASCO, Fernando ESP [10]

YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS [14] vs HAAS, Tommy GER
MONFILS, Gael FRA vs YOUNG, Donald USA [WC]
Q vs SERRA, Florent FRA
NADAL, Rafael ESP [2] BYE

robinhood
07-26-2008, 03:20 AM
I'm not sure what to make of the draws any more.
Before, I didn't care because Fed won everything anyway, but now....
I just hope he has a better time at Cincy than he did in Toronto.

NYCtennisfan
07-26-2008, 06:56 AM
Mellow, that's a pretty good article. I have noticed him having problems with the FH dtl approach all year long and have mentioned it. Even though his inside-out FH was working against Nadal at Wimby, all his other FH's were off.

There is something wrong when Federer exchanges FH's with Simon and doesn't win the rallies within a few shots. A few years back, nobody traded FH's with him.

It reminds me of how Federer has played Roddick since 2004. In 2003-2004, Federer always played to the Bh of Roddick. ONce Federer didn't feel threatened by the Roddick FH, he just hit wherever he wanted and ran Roddick around silly.

It's coming to a time now where players aren't afraid to hit to Federer's FH because the point isn't automatically over if don't hit a good shot.

NYCtennisfan
07-26-2008, 06:58 AM
I'm not sure what to make of the draws any more.
Before, I didn't care because Fed won everything anyway, but now....
I just hope he has a better time at Cincy than he did in Toronto.

It's another good draw. Not as good as Toronto, but still pretty good.

Rita
07-26-2008, 07:45 AM
cmon Rog kick some ass:devil: please:sad:

Rogieva
07-26-2008, 01:18 PM
Allez Roger!

juninhOH
07-26-2008, 03:53 PM
If Roger plays like in Wimbledon he should not worry about any opponent.

SUKTUEN
07-26-2008, 05:32 PM
cmon Rog kick some ass:devil: please:sad:

He will!!!

Come On Roger!!!!!! Fight Back!!:mad::mad:

Zolka
07-26-2008, 06:34 PM
I'm sure he will play a lot better at Cincy, and hopefully will make it to the final, and can win... I know, it seems such a longshot, but he can do it, we all know that. He is just too young and too talented to play that bad for long time, he will bounce back, he has to. Let's Go Roger!

juninhOH
07-26-2008, 07:26 PM
yes I'm positive because many times in the last two years he did really bad at one tournament to come back firing in the other.

Like after he lost against Volandri in Rome last year, or when he lost against Canas and went to the final of MC. Or even this year where he was terrible and managed to reach the final of every clay event except for Rome.

Daniel
07-26-2008, 07:53 PM
Vamos Roger. time to shine and to start winning titles again :)

:bounce: :bounce:

raven gypsy
07-26-2008, 11:04 PM
This is for all Roger fans in need of a laugh..

It's Rafa's and Roger's US OPEN Series commercials with John McEnroe.

:lol: I love Rog's expression and smile at the end!

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Sunset of Age
07-27-2008, 03:16 AM
If Roger plays like in Wimbledon he should not worry about any opponent.

Exactly. And we all know he can do it! :D

rofe
07-27-2008, 03:24 AM
Right now, any round Roger wins is a bonus.

Or Levy
07-27-2008, 09:48 AM
I gotta say, that Roger's commercials look so natural and so, well - himself, or at least himself as (I think) we percieve him (cute and dorky, a little cocky).

The Nike ads were hilarious, Roger and his guitar, looking like a first class rock star wannabe dork, and his grin in this commercial after Jmac's "Scared?" was great.

They definitly manage to capture his spirit in those ads, I love it.

RFederer90
07-27-2008, 10:19 AM
Roger com'on let's win this tournament!

If not, you'll lose your No.1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So do your best!!!!!!

Eden
07-27-2008, 02:14 PM
Roger is practicing hard for the tournament:


Roger Federer moves into the ATP Masters Series event starting in Cincinnati on Monday downshifting to survival mode as Rafael Nadal chips away at his world No.1 ranking.

In any other year, the top-ranked Swiss would either be coming to the steamy American Midwest as a tournament champion the prior week or aiming to fine-tune after another successful edition on the grass of Wimbledon.

But this time will be radically different, with Federer forced to fight to hold his four-year reign on the top spot as the Nadal juggernaut continues to steam through the season.

The event is the last chance for major players to boost their game before the long flight to China for the August 8 start of Beijing Olympics, to be followed by a trans-Pacific dash to US Open just over a fortnight later.

"It's important to stay positive. The hard court season has just started," said 12-time grand slam winner Federer, who was beaten in the second round of the Toronto Masters last week by Frenchman Gilles Simon after winning the first set.

"It's the start of, what is it, nine months of hard court. It's not the end of the world, but I wish it could have started better. I've got to regroup and look forward.

"The bigger picture is the Olympic Games and the US Open. Those are the places where I want to win."

Federer gets a first-round bye at the Cincinnati event he has won for two of the past three editions. He awaits the winner between American Robby Ginepri and a qualifier.

The Swiss went through a heavy training session on Saturday, convinced that only practise will snap his formerly unstoppable game back into shape.

Source: http://news.smh.com.au/sport/federers-focus-shifts-to-staying-no1-20080727-3lia.html

didadida
07-27-2008, 02:18 PM
thanks Doris for the article,i hope to see Roger back to his shape again

yanchr
07-27-2008, 03:05 PM
These are the quotes from the last tournament, but really good to see that he is determined by engaging in action on court. Hopefully it will pay off sooner than later.

SUKTUEN
07-27-2008, 03:21 PM
I cannot open the video!!!!!

GOD Please Bless my Roger play his good tennis again in Cincy!!:worship::worship:

Rita
07-27-2008, 03:24 PM
I gotta say, that Roger's commercials look so natural and so, well - himself, or at least himself as (I think) we percieve him (cute and dorky, a little cocky).

The Nike ads were hilarious, Roger and his guitar, looking like a first class rock star wannabe dork, and his grin in this commercial after Jmac's "Scared?" was great.

They definitly manage to capture his spirit in those ads, I love it.

i love it too:inlove::inlove::inlove:

lsy
07-27-2008, 04:55 PM
Good luck Rogi :hug:

2 tough losses in slam final esp Wimby, I didn't think he's going to recover that soon, so that loss in Toronto really wasn't much of a shock to me.

But he'll be back, probably not to how it was like past 4 yrs, but I'm sure we'll never see a Borg/Justine from him. Stupid media who kept asking him those type of questions :rolleyes::mad:

I hope he'd be patient and keep believing in himself.

rofe
07-27-2008, 05:47 PM
I gotta say, that Roger's commercials look so natural and so, well - himself, or at least himself as (I think) we percieve him (cute and dorky, a little cocky).

The Nike ads were hilarious, Roger and his guitar, looking like a first class rock star wannabe dork, and his grin in this commercial after Jmac's "Scared?" was great.

They definitely manage to capture his spirit in those ads, I love it.

I watched it and he could become a pretty decent actor. I enjoyed his commercial with JMac (they were both good).

rofe
07-27-2008, 05:51 PM
Roger is practicing hard for the tournament:



Source: http://news.smh.com.au/sport/federers-focus-shifts-to-staying-no1-20080727-3lia.html

Problem for him is that he can only practice so much since he is playing tournaments fairly close to each other. If the practice raises his confidence level then I am all for it.

Blondie1985
07-28-2008, 04:27 AM
Geezuz Please Help Roger!

I Cannot Stand See Him Losing & Rafa Winning.... It's Disgusting Really

crude oil
07-28-2008, 04:55 AM
all the top players are rusty in opening rounds, not just roger. Roger just has to fight and concentrate. He cant have walkabouts and then just turn the switch anytime he wants.

Ive been saying it for sometime but fed is too stubborn really... Maybe a few more humbling losses will do him some good.

Then maybe he will figure out he needs to vary his game more and not just rely on his timing from the baseline because he is looking pretty 1-dimensional out there despite his supposed multidimensional tool set.

lina_seta
07-28-2008, 05:11 AM
Geezuz Please Help Roger!

I Cannot Stand See Him Losing & Rafa Winning.... It's Disgusting Really

lol
IMHO i dont want to see a Neanderthal carrying a raquet and swaying it like an animal no matter how effective it is.. (dun get me wrong, i like nadal as a person... be he is.. well a "Monster") if there was ever an antagonist look in tennis, this must be it.

Beautiful tennis... where are you...
the day roger ceases to be #1 will rip my heart... altho it will come someday anyways

maskedmuffin
07-28-2008, 05:22 AM
New blog post of mine on current state of affairs:
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I am back to continue with my summer hard court edition of, what apparently has turned into the (unofficial) “muffin’s musings on the ATP tour” blog. In this edition, we talk about change; A changing of the guard to some; we are on the precipice of the “Nadal” era. In many ways this may just be a formality, as since the start of the red dirt season the Man from Mallorca has been virtually unbeatable, having only succumbed once (a second round loss to Juan Carlos Ferrero in Roma), and taken Monte Carlo, Hamburg, The French Open, Queens Club, Wimbledon, and now the Toronto masters in that time span. He seems virtually unbeatable, having won the two grass court tournaments over some of the best players on that surface, including the former reigning king of grass, Roger Federer. In many people’s minds, this signifies not only the passing of the torch to Nadal, who has used this year to show to the world his magnificent all court game, but possibly the beginning of a lengthy reign at the top of the pedestal for the Spaniard. After terrific efforts by both Gasquet and Murray this week, only to result in bitter defeat at the feet of the former “clay monster”, it is becoming apparent that there is little resistance to the tenacious champion. Watching the matches he participates in, an opponent virtually has to be at the apex of their game just to match his steady consistency, and do so no less over 3 sets ( 5 at the US Open). Murray and Gasquet started strong, but buckled under the weight of sustaining high pressure tennis over the course of the match. The question that is going to be asked by many is, who is out there to challenge rafa?

I provide an answer in the form of the current (and soon to be, in all likelihood, former #1)

Roger Federer.

Who? The man who lost to Gilles Simon 2nd round in Toronto?? The man who was blown off the court at the French? The man whose Wimbledon title was wrestled out of grasps by the Spaniard?? That Roger??

I know, I Know; It appears as a surprising adversary to many who deem the “age of Federer” to be officially over; the book closed, the final chapters written. After all, the man who walked out of the York University Campus on Wednesday night, snappy to reporters, in an almost despondent state of mind, hardly evokes the sort of fighting image, the warrior and soldier mentality that would be required to fluster this Spaniard. However, I speak not of the Roger Federer of the last six months, of the last 4 years, even of the Roger Federer since his inception on tour in 1998. No, the roger Federer I speak of is a remodeled one, who rises from the ashes to put talent and humility into one awe inspiring package; one who, as Mats Wilander once said, brings out the inner beast within; one who is willing to look Nadal across the net, respect his abilities for what he brings on the court, but simultaneously uses logic and reason to systematically dissect and exploit Nadal’s game into what it truly is, one played with percentages and safety in mind over glamor and the spectacular.

How to get to that Roger? First, and most importantly, Federer must accept. Accept that Nadal is currently a Human Wall who can out grind Federer’s timing-based baseline game. Out of acceptance must come humility, which is something that Roger struggles with greatly. All great champions have great egos, but the elite, the best of their time, are able to listen to advice when provided, and utilize it to positively impact a wounded ego. One of the best ways to gain advice is to borrow from those greats around you, not just of the past, but of the present. Nadal is one such player.

What can Roger learn from Rafa? The ability to view points as individual entities; once one is finished it is over and cannot be recaptured. This does not mean to turn a blind eye at the strategy used during the points, but learn from the point rather than the final result of the point. Nadal has made it clear during post match pressers that this mantra is one of his core beliefs, and it is all to evident to the audience that there is conviction behind these words. He truly means it when he says “what can you do no? Point is over, you learn and move on”

View each point independently, logically, coherently. Change the question of “How?” to “What.” What were the reasons for me losing this point? What can be done to adjust going forward? Too often the audience has been lulled into thinking Roger is a “robot”, a cyborg that played in a vacuum of emotion, one who is never impacted by negative events around him and solely executs on tactics. Yet, if one cares to look at his body language, this couldn’t be further from the truth; it becomes evident that all the while he is constructing the point, he is also trying to control his emotions. It is very hard to do two things at once, and often times accepting the emotion rather than controlling it is the best way to let the negative feelings dissipate. When there is worry on his face, it is the weight of the points before, unlearned, rinsed-and-repeated to be played out in his mind while playing the upcoming points. When there is calm on nadal’s face, it is logic and reason placing a check-and-balance on the emotional cortex. And when there is elation, it is quick and positive, and lasts for that point and that point alone. “A point as an individual entity” is an important mantra for Roger to strive towards in his matches.

Taking these rather abstract concepts of humility, acceptance, etc, and transporting it to concrete structure requires excellent coaching and sports counseling. Now, heaven knows there are many great coaches out there, quite a few who have already coached Roger, but being with a coach and showing humility to listen to what they have to say are two different ideas. I strongly believe a coach like Brad Gilbert, who coached another tempestuous tennis prodigy in Andre Agassi (successfully leading him back to the pinnacle of the game following a very public fall from grace), could offer excellent advice to Roger. Brad was never seen as a highly talented tennis player the likes of Lendl, Becker, Edberg, and Wilander, but there he was in the late 80’s often times beating these multiple grand slam winners. More importantly, as a coach he found a way to inject the idea of winning ugly into Agassi’s timing-based game. One of the most important things Andre drew from Brad was that in tennis, it is not necessarily to have your best day to beat the other player, but rather bring the other player’s game down to a level lower than yours. This is a strategy that Nadal effectively employs with his high margin-for-error topspin game, thinking on his feet to make adjustments when certain aspects of his game are not working well. It is something that Federer would be able to do himself with the right coach, and more importantly with the willingness to listen and learn.

From a tactical perspective, Roger needs to work on his net game. A consistent net game that utilizes the short chip and punch volley are critical to putting Nadal under pressure, and forcing him into lower percentage passing shots. For the attacking player, there is both the technique of volleying and the anticipation of the follow up volley. It is here that Federer often times looks lackadaisical, not expecting a return volley, or more importantly, not covering the higher percentage shot that an opponent will be hitting when in defensive mode. Federer’s intrinsic footwork abilities should, coupled with heavy volley drilling with the likes of a rafter or Navratilova, along with more doubles practice, should provide him an excellent opportunity to improve on his stab volley technique, where the punch is utilized over the carve (the latter being Roger’s volleying technique to date). Volleying is not about looking pretty, it is about anticipation and getting the basics right, as there is less time to lollygag at net.

The second principal of volleying, anticipation could be greatly improved by utilizing modern day video technology to make adjustments on opponents’ tendencies and strategies. If Roger took the time to sit down and watch tape with a coach and volley specialist on hand, it would become quite obvious very early on that Nadal’s “high percentage first” mantra would expose certain clear cut tendencies that can be exploited when making the move to net on the Spaniard’s backhand wing. Nadal rarely, if ever, goes up the line when on the full stretch on the backhand side. It is clearly a lower percentage play for him to do so, and he would rather utilize his pinpoint accuracy to go over the lower part of the net with a dipping cross court two hander. A solid anticipator would expect that return when approaching, and prepare him to cover and successfully cut off the cross court backhand. Force nadal into a lower percentage shot when approaching, and 9/10 times you will be rewarded. Maintain the principal over an entire match, and more often than not the pressure will be too great for Nadal to overcome. The ability to pick up on strategies and improvise mid match should not be unsaid, but utilization of video technology to effectively scout Nadal’s tendencies would force him to go to adjustments and secondary plans of action, perhaps even outside his comfort zone. Consistent pressure by following into net, utilizing the space between the service line and baseline to hit both long and short biting slices off both wings would force Nadal to hit “up” on the ball more with his heavily western grip, resulting in a higher probability of error. These are just some of the tactics that Roger could pick up on through the use of video scouting.

As you can see, a humble, assertive, aggressive Federer who looks at every point as a separate entity, and who is willing to switch strategies mid match to try something new, has a much greater chance of upsetting Nadal’s rhythm, and thus winning matches on all surfaces. Roger has the talent; he has the desire and dedication. It is not a matter of if, but when he decides to shift into this, the 3rd stage of his career, that the rebirth of Fedex v. 3.0 will be seen for all of us to marvel at. If he is successful in cleaning out the “early version glitches”, not only with Federer get to 15 Grand Slams, but will retain that #1 ranking sooner rather than later. It all starts with humility and a willingness to improvise to various scenarios and strategies, while maintaining focus on each point, viewed independent of one another.

Do us proud Roger; Show us your rebounding capabilities; Show us the player who battles adversity to return to the top of the game as a deserving repeat Champion!

rofe
07-28-2008, 05:54 AM
Funny thing is that by winning Toronto, Nadal now has the luxury of tanking Cincy (since he has basically no points to defend) and having the time to get to Beijing early and get used to the environment and the court a lot earlier than anyone else.

Roger on the other hand has to win Cincy and depart almost immediately to Beijing hoping to get acclimatized before his 1st round there. An early loss in Cincy though will help with the acclimatization part but his confidence will be pretty low going into the Olympics if that happens.

*Elsie*
07-28-2008, 08:42 AM
lol
IMHO i dont want to see a Neanderthal carrying a raquet and swaying it like an animal no matter how effective it is.. (dun get me wrong, i like nadal as a person... be he is.. well a "Monster") if there was ever an antagonist look in tennis, this must be it.

Beautiful tennis... where are you...
the day roger ceases to be #1 will rip my heart... altho it will come someday anywaysA Neanderthal carrying a raquet :rolls: Great post, I agree with every word.

SUKTUEN
07-28-2008, 08:53 AM
ALLEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ROGER!!!

GOD Please Bless Roger play his Best tennis again!!:worship:

nobama
07-28-2008, 11:48 AM
Funny thing is that by winning Toronto, Nadal now has the luxury of tanking Cincy (since he has basically no points to defend) and having the time to get to Beijing early and get used to the environment and the court a lot earlier than anyone else.

Roger on the other hand has to win Cincy and depart almost immediately to Beijing hoping to get acclimatized before his 1st round there. An early loss in Cincy though will help with the acclimatization part but his confidence will be pretty low going into the Olympics if that happens.Spanish media is reporting that Nadal might not play Cincy. I'm sure he'll show up since it's a required event and you have to play all of them to be eligible for the year-end bonus $$. But yeah, I could see him losing early (especially if Roger bombs out again) so he has time to prepare for Beijing.

Eden
07-28-2008, 02:24 PM
Geezuz Please Help Roger!

I Cannot Stand See Him Losing & Rafa Winning.... It's Disgusting Really

lol
IMHO i dont want to see a Neanderthal carrying a raquet and swaying it like an animal no matter how effective it is.. (dun get me wrong, i like nadal as a person... be he is.. well a "Monster") if there was ever an antagonist look in tennis, this must be it.

Beautiful tennis... where are you...
the day roger ceases to be #1 will rip my heart... altho it will come someday anyways

I can really understand your disappointment about the current situation. We all hope for the best for Roger because we enjoy his tennis so much and want to have him all the success he deserves, but is it really that difficult to respect Rafa's achievements a bit? The guy would have been #1 already for a long time if there wouldn't have been someone around who is better as him. This year Rafa has an incredible run whilst Roger is struggling to repeat the results he had the last years. That is really not that surprising because it was unique what Roger did in the past.
I follow tennis for nearly 25 years now and have been with my favourite players during their good and during their bad days. To be a fan of a player doesn't depend on the ranking position.
What will change for you when Roger loses the #1 position? He has all the chances in the world to get it back.
Nadal might not play the tennis as beautiful as Roger does, but I don't think it's fair to call him a "monster" or "Neanderthal". He is a totally different player as Roger.
We don't have to enjoy the tennis he plays or keep fingers crossed for him on the tour, but I don't think it's necessary to insult him with "bad" words ;)

It has to be seen how long Nadal can keep up his current level. It will be a different situation for him when he is the player everyone is hunting. He can't hide behind Roger then and put the pressure on him.

Let's hope that better times will be ahead of Roger :) We all want to see him having success again and holding the title trophy instead of the runner up-plate :)

Sunset of Age
07-28-2008, 03:55 PM
Doris, fantastic post. Well said!
(and you told me you think your English isn't good? you do a WAY better job of expressing yourself than me! ;))

is it really that difficult to respect Rafa's achievements a bit?

Apparently. Look, I don't ask anybody to LIKE the fellow - that is different for every person and you like someone or you don't - but the objective fan of tennis should at least have a little respect for him.

A line out of Roger's own book, perhaps? ;)

SUKTUEN
07-28-2008, 04:11 PM
will Roger play tomorrow?

Sunset of Age
07-28-2008, 04:27 PM
will Roger play tomorrow?

Don't know yet, might also be on Wednesday - but I guess Rafa will get the Wednesday start, so that makes Roger playing on Tuesday a lot more probable. :D

*Elsie*
07-28-2008, 04:31 PM
Doris :wavey: Roger's current situation has nothing to do with my dislike for Nadal. And yes, it's difficult for me to respect Rafa's achievements, and I can't say I haven't tried. But it has nothing to do with him becoming/ being the new #1.

Eden
07-28-2008, 06:39 PM
Doris, fantastic post. Well said!
(and you told me you think your English isn't good? you do a WAY better job of expressing yourself than me! ;))


Thanks Karin :) :hug:

Doris :wavey: Roger's current situation has nothing to do with my dislike for Nadal. And yes, it's difficult for me to respect Rafa's achievements, and I can't say I haven't tried. But it has nothing to do with him becoming/ being the new #1.

Els, thanks for your answer :) :hug:

We all have players we don't cheer for, I just don't find it appropriate to give someone bad names.

It hurts me to read mean comments about Roger from people who don't like him. Yeah, I know, I shouldn't care less about what anyone has to say, but I can't help myself here.

nobama
07-28-2008, 07:51 PM
report from rf.com member sadie about Roger's practice session the other day. Good to see Roger working on his net game. :)

Hi all. Sorry for not posting yesterday ... I crashed and burned after a wonderful day. Time for a quick recap. Roger practiced with James Blake at 1:00. The volunteers had to control the number of people going in and out of the bleachers (they practiced on a court that is used at the beginning of the tourney for some doubles, so it has a few rows of bleachers). It was really hot yesterday but not too humid. Roger looked great (doesn't he always?). They played some fantastic points. Hard to assess the "situation" as practice sets are so much different than matches.

At four, Roger was scheduled to practice on an even smaller court but they moved him and Tommy Haas to the grandstand. I parked myself in the front row behind the baseline, which I think it the best view as you see the ball from the players' perspective. The quality of play was far superior to their practice yesterday. I had trouble keeping score but believe they played more than one practice set. Seemed like they were both streaky. Roger seems to get annoyed when he misses, even an ace that no one on earth could put a racquet on. After they warmed up, seemed like the four of them (Roger, Jose, Tommy & Dean) talked for a while and Roger talked with Dean quite a bit. Made me wonder if each player has certain things he wants to work on in the practice match as opposed to only trying to simulate match play. I have no idea but would certainly be interested in knowing the strategy. Roger and Tommy are obviously good buds so even though they were both quite intense and did not converse much during COs, they obviously have an easy going relationship and joked around before and afterwards. Roger also seems very comfortable and relaxed with Jose. Wish I could have heard what Jose said to him ... but DUH then everyone would.

After Roger and Tommy finished, another guy came on court and hit with Roger for a while ... looked like the main purpose was for Roger to get some extra practice volleying. I think he was on court at least two hours ... didn't look at my watch or much of anything else besides what was happening on court. Jose walked by when they were done and I asked who Roger was practicing with. He said Alberto Martinez (or something like that) who is a pro and went to my alma mater, UCLA. Hard to imagine that Roger could do anything more to cause me to love him even more, but playing with a UCLA Bruin ... way to go. Thank goodness the guy wasn't from USC, the dreaded cross town rival. (Sorry for insulting any Trojans out there ... well, sort of )

Puschkin
07-28-2008, 09:16 PM
To be a fan of a player doesn't depend on the ranking position.

:yeah: But some people seem to be fans of Roger's victories not his tennis.

riddle05580
07-28-2008, 10:19 PM
Tuesday's OOP is out.

Tuesday, July 29

CENTER COURT start 11:00 am

[11] R Gasquet (FRA) vs M Llodra (FRA)

J Tipsarevic (SRB) vs C Moya (ESP)

[1] R Federer (SUI) vs R Ginepri (USA)

Not Before 7:00 PM
P Kohlschreiber (GER) vs [6] A Roddick (USA)

A Clement (FRA) / M Llodra (FRA) vs [WC] M Fish (USA) / J Isner (USA)

Sunset of Age
07-28-2008, 10:30 PM
Tuesday's OOP is out.

Tuesday, July 29

CENTER COURT start 11:00 am

[11] R Gasquet (FRA) vs M Llodra (FRA)

J Tipsarevic (SRB) vs C Moya (ESP)

[1] R Federer (SUI) vs R Ginepri (USA)

Yayyy!!! :bounce: no more Fed Deprivation (and hopefully not going to end till Monday, this time).

Federerhingis
07-28-2008, 10:51 PM
:yeah: But some people seem to be fans of Roger's victories not his tennis.

I know, I honestly have to admit that at one point I was a bandwagonner. Seeing him lose especially from mind '05 to '06 when he was at his prime was like unaccepatable. But I've matured both as a tennis fan and a Federerfan, and have learned to accept that he's only human.

Edit: So he really plays tomorrow, on a tuesday, doesn't he usually play on a wednesday?

Sunset of Age
07-28-2008, 11:09 PM
Edit: So he really plays tomorrow, on a tuesday, doesn't he usually play on a wednesday?

I guess the tournament organization have offered Rafa a Wednesday start, as he's just come back from playing a final... they usually do so to Roger as well if he was in a likewise situation. Only fair, IMHO. :shrug:

riddle05580
07-28-2008, 11:14 PM
I know, I honestly have to admit that at one point I was a bandwagonner. Seeing him lose especially from mind '05 to '06 when he was at his prime was like unaccepatable. But I've matured both as a tennis fan and a Federerfan, and have learned to accept that he's only human.



I didn't even have that stage as a tennis fan. Before I became a fan of Roger, I just watched tennis matches on occasion. I think I began to enjoy tennis just because I love watching Roger playing. I'm such a fanatical fan. :awww: :lol:




Edit: So he really plays tomorrow, on a tuesday, doesn't he usually play on a wednesday?

http://www.cincytennis.com/1/en/oncourt/orderofplay/

Seems that they arranged Roger's match earlier than usual because of his early exit in toronto.:tape: :lol: I think Rafa and Djoker will play on Wednesday.

Federerhingis
07-28-2008, 11:18 PM
I guess the tournament organization have offered Rafa a Wednesday start, as he's just come back from playing a final... they usually do so to Roger as well if he was in a likewise situation. Only fair, IMHO. :shrug:

I don't really care, and it's totally fair. In fact so the much better, I don't have to wait so much more to see him play or hear about his matches. :p I actually don't like the fact that he usually plays on the third day, it's too many days without seeing him or hearing about him, when I'm investing time in the tennis world. :tape:

Federerhingis
07-28-2008, 11:22 PM
I didn't even have that stage as a tennis fan. Before I became a fan of Roger, I just watched tennis matches on occasion. I think I began to enjoy tennis just because I love watching Roger playing. I'm such a fanatical fan. :awww: :lol:




http://www.cincytennis.com/1/en/oncourt/orderofplay/

Seems that they arranged Roger's match earlier than usual because of his early exit in toronto.:tape: :lol: I think Rafa and Djoker will play on Wednesday.


:lol: Yes from mid '05 until mid '06 I was a bandwagonner. Initially it was because his game was so fluid and effortless, you can only dream of ever playing like him. Then I fell into the trap of him being invincible. :o As a fan sometimes you get too emotionally involved and I've learned not too get too emotional. I was not accomplishing much with that, yeah it's sad when he loses, but he's still alive and there are more important things happening in this world than Roger losing a tennis match. ;)

nobama
07-28-2008, 11:33 PM
So where will Jose be tomorrow?

Sunset of Age
07-28-2008, 11:42 PM
So where will Jose be tomorrow?

Now THAT is a very interesting question, indeed. :o

didadida
07-28-2008, 11:50 PM
So where will Jose be tomorrow?

hmmmmmmmm :scratch::rolleyes:

riddle05580
07-29-2008, 12:01 AM
:lol: Yes from mid '05 until mid '06 I was a bandwagonner. Initially it was because his game was so fluid and effortless, you can only dream of ever playing like him. Then I fell into the trap of him being invincible. :o As a fan sometimes you get too emotionally involved and I've learned not too get too emotional. I was not accomplishing much with that, yeah it's sad when he loses, but he's still alive and there are more important things happening in this world than Roger losing a tennis match. ;)

Yes, in 05 and 06 I think that's the period that I could just sitting back and enjoying the sheer beauty of his tennis, maybe with just a little bit of worry.:lol:

Maybe at first I just appreciated his tennis(in 03 and 04 I think), however, gradually it's just impossible not being drawn by his charisma and character.:o Just like your situation, as hard as I tried all these years, I still couldn't avoid getting too emotionally involved, since it really pained me when Roger looked sad. But I learnt long ago to appreciate Roger as a person, and cherish every chance I got watching his match.:)

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 12:59 AM
Yes, in 05 and 06 I think that's the period that I could just sitting back and enjoying the sheer beauty of his tennis, maybe with just a little bit of worry.:lol:

Maybe at first I just appreciated his tennis(in 03 and 04 I think), however, gradually it's just impossible not being drawn by his charisma and character.:o Just like your situation, as hard as I tried all these years, I still couldn't avoid getting too emotionally involved, since it really pained me when Roger looked sad. But I learnt long ago to appreciate Roger as a person, and cherish every chance I got watching his match.:)


Precisely, I don't appreciate Roger only for his tennis, it's has been for the past 2 years or more for the person that he is. He embodies the many things I appreciate in a human being, humbleness, graciousness, good naturedness, respectfullness and honesty. He's simply so nice, or maybe it's all just an image, personally I don't think so. I have not had the pleasure of meeting him yet, but I've heard he is just that nice.

trickcy
07-29-2008, 05:20 AM
Atlast Roger time again :)

Like Luis and riddle05580 said, it's hard not to like him as a person. I mean, as a player, it was automatic, looking at his game and how easy it seems to be. But as you follow his career, you get to appreciate his personality as well.

Speaking of the match, "Oh Jose, where are you?" :devil:
I bet he's glad there's no oncourt coaching

SUKTUEN
07-29-2008, 05:50 AM
GOD Please Bless Roger play his best tennis again tonight!!:worship:

Daniel
07-29-2008, 06:44 AM
Tuesday OOP & Scores

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CENTER COURT
Matches Start At: 11:00 AM
Richard GASQUET (FRA) vs Michael LLODRA (FRA)
followed by
Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) vs Carlos MOYA (ESP)
followed by
Roger FEDERER (SUI) vs Robby GINEPRI (USA)
Not Before 7:00 PM
Philipp KOHLSCHREIBER (GER) vs Andy RODDICK (USA)
followed by
Arnaud CLEMENT (FRA)/Michael LLODRA (FRA) vs Mardy FISH (USA)/John ISNER (USA)

Federer lead H2H 4-0

nobama
07-29-2008, 12:03 PM
Now THAT is a very interesting question, indeed. :oMy guess is he'll be following the match from the locker room or somewhere else. Even if he's working with Roger this week he's still coaching Ginepri too so he can't in Roger's box.

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 12:29 PM
My guess is he'll be following the match from the locker room or somewhere else. Even if he's working with Roger this week he's still coaching Ginepri too so he can't in Roger's box.

Or somewhere from the stands. It happend before, at least in the WTA: The RG final last year, Ivanovic - Henin. Sven Groeneveld wasn't allowed to be in the coaching box for Ivanovic, as both players had a contract with Adidas, and as such... ;)
Okay, slightly different situation, but in some way comparable I guess.

Daniel
07-29-2008, 03:05 PM
Ginepri said Jose will be somewhere in the stands.

Good luck Roger. :bounce: :bounce:

didadida
07-29-2008, 04:07 PM
Allez Roger

ExpectedWinner
07-29-2008, 06:59 PM
It looks like Fed is scheduled to play at the hottest time of the day (preparing for ugly tennis and/or the outcome :tape:)

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 08:29 PM
It looks like Fed is scheduled to play at the hottest time of the day (preparing for ugly tennis and/or the outcome :tape:)

Got to break point in all three of RG's serve games, broke once and of course gotten broken back.

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 08:38 PM
Broke, served for the set, then DF's his way to getting broken again.

ExpectedWinner
07-29-2008, 08:38 PM
No words. :shrug:

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 08:46 PM
No words. :shrug:

The game and the shots are still there for one out of every 4 points or so. No confidence at all. He's losing the TB'er 5-0.

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 08:48 PM
Ginepri wins the TB'er 7-2.

nobama
07-29-2008, 08:49 PM
I'm really beginning to think losing that Wimbledon final has caused all this. Prior to that final Roger had been broken only twice the whole tournament. Now guys are breaking him at will, ripping winners off his 1st serve. And every time he gets up a break he gets broken right back. How can a guy go from being broken twice in 6 matches (11 if you count Halle) to now being broken twice or more in a set? :sad:

yanchr
07-29-2008, 08:50 PM
Played pretty well throughout the whole set, but couldn't hold after getting a break, couldn't serve out, couldn't play tennis in TB. Confidence problem for me obviously.

nobama
07-29-2008, 08:51 PM
The game and the shots are still there for one out of every 4 points or so. No confidence at all. He's losing the TB'er 5-0.That game when he was broken at 4-3 reminded me exactly of the last game in the 3rd set against Simon. Couldn't get a 1st serve in, look on his face and based on his gestures was he doesn't know what the hell is going on out there. I've never seen him look so lost since I've been following him (2003 or so).

robinhood
07-29-2008, 08:53 PM
Maybe he wants to do some sightseeing in Beijing.
It's as if he wants to lose and get out of Cincy already!! :mad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:03 PM
Wow, I remembered Roger's match was on, so just looked at the Sb expecting it to be Roger winning easy. Loses the first set :help:

Wimbledon Fina; :sad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:04 PM
BTW, does 1R loss here = Nadal #1?

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm really beginning to think losing that Wimbledon final has caused all this. Prior to that final Roger had been broken only twice the whole tournament. Now guys are breaking him at will, ripping winners off his 1st serve. And every time he gets up a break he gets broken right back.

Ginepri is playing well, though. :mad:

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 09:05 PM
BTW, does 1R loss here = Nadal #1?

Virtually, yes. All Raf has to do is reach the semi-finals and I don't seen anyone stopping him from doing that.

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 09:06 PM
Ginepri is playing well, though. :mad:

Absolutely. This is no mug he's playing, whatever is said so often about Robby. He does exactly what Roger doesn't: attack his opponent's serve very soon and very quickly, and apparently Roger doesn't know anymore what to do about that. Been concentrating on Nadal a mite too much I guess. :sad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:06 PM
Fight Roger :mad: :smash:

I can still see him winning though. Was he ever leading in 1st set?

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 09:08 PM
I am actually crying at this fiasco..................:sad:
It is horribly hot and humid there...
no excuse, though..because he usually comes through in the heat...
netting balls..right and left.............can't hold serve...
What is going on?

I have it live on TV, listening to it, kinda.. can't bare to watch.
:hug: :hug: to all fans...which I will certainly continue to be....no matter what..
just so sad, right now.

C'mon Roger.....come back

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:09 PM
0-30

chance here, Ginepri will probs win 4 points in a row. 4 points = 4 BH/FH errors from Rog tho :sad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:10 PM
2BPS, Allez!

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:10 PM
40/40 :yawn:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:12 PM
3-3 :explode:

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 09:13 PM
OK.................*stop crying, Luna*
OK.
Go Roger....he's not moving like himself.
They are at deuce and Rog just lost AD...
had a break chance..
Gin df...
another Roger error..doesn't seem to be timng the ball right.

Oops... He just broke Robbie...............
Hold hold hold

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:13 PM
What a waste, all those BPs. :sad: And the body language is far from encouraging either. Come on, Roger!

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 09:15 PM
What a waste, all those BPs. :sad: And the body language is far from encouraging either. Come on, Roger!

Ever since the Wimbly loss, Roger's body language hasn't shown any joy or confidence in his playing anymore. It's very sad to see.

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:15 PM
Livestream found :)

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:17 PM
BP

Take it :shout:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:18 PM
40/40 :tape:

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:19 PM
Ever since the Wimbly loss, Roger's body language hasn't shown any joy or confidence in his playing anymore. It's very sad to see.

I would not read too much into it, though. I found his body language also rather joyless very often last year and he was winning. So :confused:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:20 PM
Another bp gone :explode:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:21 PM
So so similar. 83mph second serve BH netted return. Like that of Wimbledon :tape:

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 09:21 PM
I would not read too much into it, though. I found his body language also rather joyless very often last year and he was winning. So :confused:

I think it has gotten worse. It used to be incidental matches, but now it's ongoing. Okay, you may be right... we haven't seen many matches from him lately... :sad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:22 PM
4-4 :tape: :o

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:23 PM
Just get broken now :o

meninosantos
07-29-2008, 09:26 PM
Just get broken now :o

Olli, everyones missing you in wtaw :hug:

Roger :sad:

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:30 PM
that is just sad.

i went to the doctor expecting a 2-0 federer 76 63, and i see 67 54

i hope he wins this set T_T

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:30 PM
5-5 :(

Are you Ruisatos? :P

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:31 PM
I think it has gotten worse. It used to be incidental matches, but now it's ongoing. Okay, you may be right... we haven't seen many matches from him lately... :sad:
Whatever, it is so sad to see the uncertainty and uneasiness.

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:33 PM
BP :o

Just take it

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:33 PM
this is sick sad

i cant believe this is happening

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:33 PM
40/40

oh wait, bp#2

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:34 PM
40/40 :tape:

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:35 PM
omg he just saved bp3

wtf is wrong.

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:35 PM
Ace saves BP #3 :haha:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:35 PM
4th BP

Win a deuce points pls :help:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:36 PM
Broken :tape: :o

67 56*

Oh lord.

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:36 PM
roger is in a huge downfall

i wonder when will he stop falling

just hope he doesnt retire

meninosantos
07-29-2008, 09:37 PM
5-5 :(

Are you Ruisantos? :P

Yes

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 09:37 PM
roger is in a huge downfall

i wonder when will he stop falling

just hope he doesnt retire

My thoughts exactly. This match is a goner, yet another big fall. :sad: :sad: :sad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:37 PM
Great prep. for Olympics and USO.

3 match losing streak :sad:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:38 PM
Roger looks like he just wants to get off. No emotion. I hate it like this

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 09:38 PM
What is going on with him?
Poor thing.

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
its just like if he was afraid to be Roger Federer

Noelman
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
I really can't see the future at this moment.OMG

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
*0/30

Thats means GSM as Roger can not break

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
My thoughts exactly. This match is a goner, yet another big fall. :sad: :sad: :sad:

Is he just shanking balls all over the place? Not hitting the ball with that much pace, slow on court? What's the deal?

I think he just wants this whole ordeal of losing the number one to be over and done with but, at least show some fight. :rolleyes:

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
roger is in a huge downfall

i wonder when will he stop falling

just hope he doesnt retire

me too :sad:

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:40 PM
2 break points
=[

break him roger. you can still do it, i believe.

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:40 PM
*15/40

Please Roger :crazy:

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 09:40 PM
He played poorly in the first set but still served for it. Messed that up badly and then played a horrible TB'er. Then he played really well for all of the 2nd set, but couldn't win any of the BP's. Then all of sudden he gets broken at 5-5 when he had barely lost a point on serve all set.

He probably needs to skip the Olympics and concentrate on the USO. Playing best of 5 and getting some match wins early will do wonders for him.

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:41 PM
finally a breakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:41 PM
Is he just shanking balls all over the place? Not hitting the ball with that much pace, slow on court? What's the deal?

I think he just wants this whole ordeal of losing the number one to be over and done with but, at least show some fight. :rolleyes:

Shanking shots, bad footwork, just one of those days we are getting more used to. Lots of errors.

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:41 PM
yes..!

now win the tiebreak plz!!

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:41 PM
6-6 :haha:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:42 PM
Huge FH DTL winner gives him the break :crazy:

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:42 PM
2-0

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:42 PM
*2-0 :bounce:

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:43 PM
He has not lost yet, though! :D

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:43 PM
*2-1

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:43 PM
2 all

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:44 PM
2-2 :(

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:44 PM
3-2

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:44 PM
3-2*

my livestream is like 4 points behind :crazy:

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 09:44 PM
Shanking shots, bad footwork, just one of those days we are getting more used to. Lots of errors.

:awww: Oh God I am glad the match started when I had to be at work. This would have been too much for me to handle at the moment. It's truly sad. :sad:

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:44 PM
3 all

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:45 PM
3-3

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:45 PM
He probably needs to skip the Olympics and concentrate on the USO
I have been saying this all along. Nobody cares about this gold medal. :rolleyes:

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:45 PM
[b]c'moooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:45 PM
*3-4 :(

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:46 PM
4-4

No Stepanek memories please :o

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:46 PM
5-4

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:47 PM
5-4 Allez :fiery:

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:47 PM
6-4!!

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:47 PM
Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:47 PM
*6-5!

didadida
07-29-2008, 09:48 PM
2nd set yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:49 PM
7-6!!

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 09:49 PM
yes ladies and gentlemen, the ruler of the tennis world, Mr. Roger Federer, is BACK ON TRACK (yeah, right, you wish!)

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 09:49 PM
Well, I'll be damned..He won the second set..TB................
ALLEZ~~~~~~~~

I turned the TV back on...

Rogieva
07-29-2008, 09:49 PM
6-7(2) 7-6(5) :bounce:

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 09:50 PM
Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuiaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaas, sil vous plait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:awww: I was fine with all these losses but this one would be too much, right after Canada's demoralizing loss this would be tragic almost.

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 09:51 PM
Now be Roger again!!!!!!!!

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 09:51 PM
Conventional wisdom says that this will do wonders for his confidence but then again conventional wisdom said he would roll over Simon in he 2nd set. He just needs a win to get back on track. One win won't bring him all the way back, but it would be a start.

yanchr
07-29-2008, 09:51 PM
I have been saying this all along. Nobody cares about this gold medal. :rolleyes:
I think most people here would agree, just not gonna happen.

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 09:52 PM
roger is in a huge downfall

i wonder when will he stop falling

just hope he doesnt retire

yes ladies and gentlemen, the ruler of the tennis world, Mr. Roger Federer, is BACK ON TRACK

what a change of mind within less than 5 minutes. :rolleyes:

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 09:52 PM
I think most people here would agree, just not gonna happen.

True although if loses this one, there might be a chance that it happens.

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 09:53 PM
Well, I'll be damned..He won the second set..TB................
ALLEZ~~~~~~~~

I turned the TV back on...

:rolls: :lol:
:awww: Is he picking up the intensity and the emotional effort?

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 09:56 PM
Conventional wisdom says that this will do wonders for his confidence but then again conventional wisdom said he would roll over Simon in he 2nd set. He just needs a win to get back on track. One win won't bring him all the way back, but it would be a start.


Precisely, I mean no disrespect to Robby but losing to him would definitely further derail Federer's already missing confidence. It's like "God I can't even beat the chumps, how am I to keep up with the Novak's and Nadal's now"?

yanchr
07-29-2008, 09:58 PM
Looking better now. Hopefully he can keep it altogether until the end...

I now believe confidence can do wonders, it can also cause disasters easily.

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 09:58 PM
All of a sudden he's playing like he's still the best player in the world.

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 10:00 PM
:rolls: :lol:
:awww: Is he picking up the intensity and the emotional effort?

Yes...looks like Roger took the court finally....
He broke Gen first game..he held.. &
it's 2-0 and looking MUCH better...

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo

He broke him again...
3-love............................2 breaks this set...........
:worship::worship:

robinhood
07-29-2008, 10:01 PM
I have been saying this all along. Nobody cares about this gold medal. :rolleyes:

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!!:mad:

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 10:02 PM
Robbie seems to be having stomach problems.........????????

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:02 PM
glad to see him playing in the third set with confidence

robinhood
07-29-2008, 10:02 PM
Finally some sigh of relief....
Hopefully this losing streak will be over today.

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 10:03 PM
what a change of mind within less than 5 minutes. :rolleyes:

HAHAH well I was obviously Ironic in the SECOND post, just because I'm very happy right now. He has to recover his confidence, I hope this game help him (if he really wins it).

Also, you gotta understand that he was a breakdown at 5-6 nearing the elimination, and all out of a sudden he is firing balls at the 3rd set. :)

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 10:04 PM
glad to see him playing in the third set with confidence

Hasn't Ginepri's game gone down as well?

Is the live score delayed or something at the tournaments website? What's the actual score right now, it's been stuck at 3-0 for over a minute and a half actually more like 2 mins. :scratch:

robinhood
07-29-2008, 10:05 PM
My livescoring is 4-0* 15 all.

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 10:05 PM
4 aces in a row....looks like Ginepri has given up on this one.

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:06 PM
Hasn't Ginepri's game gone down as well?

Is the live score delayed or something at the tournaments website? What's the actual score right now, it's been stuck at 3-0 for over a minute and a half actually more like 2 mins. :scratch:

4-0
Ginepri had a medical time that explains that 2 min :cool:

holagirl56
07-29-2008, 10:07 PM
Conventional wisdom says that this will do wonders for his confidence but then again conventional wisdom said he would roll over Simon in he 2nd set. He just needs a win to get back on track. One win won't bring him all the way back, but it would be a start.

I don't want to jinx anything but I think that if he wins this after a set down and a dangerous second set, he has a really good chance to go far in the tournament. Tennis is such a tricky sport and one match can really boost or kill confidence. (If he had gotten past Simon in Toronto, I think he could have done well too.) Hopefully he pulls this match out though.

yanchr
07-29-2008, 10:07 PM
4 aces in a row....looks like Ginepri has given up on this one.
But he is still playing. Credit to him.

Roger needs a complete match win, not some pull-out again, even if he is winning.

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:08 PM
another break 5-0

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 10:09 PM
5-0

How I would love to see a bagel this set........................
Allez

holagirl56
07-29-2008, 10:10 PM
I can't watch the match, but it seems like Roger's confidence has really gone up. Yes/no?

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:10 PM
I don't want to jinx anything but I think that if he wins this after a set down and a dangerous second set, he has a really good chance to go far in the tournament. Tennis is such a tricky sport and one match can really boost or kill confidence. (If he had gotten past Simon in Toronto, I think he could have done well too.) Hopefully he pulls this match out though.

im thinking the same you especially if he won this match after a set down and with a break sure it will affect his confidence

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:11 PM
:worship::worship: with a bagel

robinhood
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Hugh~~~~~~~~

yanchr
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
A big big phew...

Now hopefully everything is back on track.

COME ON ROGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE SOME BELIEF IN YOURSELF.

juninhOH
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
Now lets talk SERIOUSLY. If it wasn't for the MOMENT, losing so many matches this year, Losing 4 times to Nadal (including Wimbledon), 2nd round loss at Canada, The result of this Match would be absolutely Normal even for JesusFed.

BUT, given the situation, it all looks SO MUCH WORSE!

holagirl56
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
!!!

Noelman
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
Finally a great relief. Thanks Roger for giving me a good sleep tonight :worship:

lunahielo
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
We got the bagel!!!!!
kudos to Gin for not pulling out....
Great, Roger............................................. .......

Happy evening to you, happy afternoon to the rest and maybe a happy morning to some.
Luna :hug:

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 10:14 PM
I don't mean to be sour, but did Ginepri just collapsed or Rogie stepped it up?

Puschkin
07-29-2008, 10:14 PM
Hasn't Ginepri's game gone down as well?

O yes, and he barely moved towards the end of the set. Congrats to Roger though for hanging in, but the body langage still worries me.

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:15 PM
Can't possibly explain how happy I am right now. I really thought he was a goner in that second set with a break down.

ROGER - don't let ANYONE EVER say you have no fighting spirit, or that 'all opponents bow down to you as soon as you step onto the court' - SHITE -

Hopefully that :bs: will never ever be heard of again. :rocker2:

nobama
07-29-2008, 10:15 PM
Not a pretty match by any stretch of the imagination but hopefully winning this will bring him some confidence for his next match. I'm still not confident at all. Don't know how long it will take for him to snap out of whatever funk he's in. But I hate seeing him this way. I want the old Roger (even if it's only 75%) back. :sad:

nobama
07-29-2008, 10:17 PM
I don't mean to be sour, but did Ginepri just collapsed or Rogie stepped it up?Roger might have won anyway but the 3rd set was a result of Ginepri falling apart. Looked like he was having stomach problems.

Or Levy
07-29-2008, 10:18 PM
Oh GOD. Oh good God.

Roger! Oh, GAWDS!

What, what, what were you doing in the second set?!!!!!

I just about DIED, I had to smoke and all. Been a while since I did that during a Roger match.

So glad it ended with a bagel. I hope that got his demons out.

BTW, did anyone hear than apperantly Mario had a mono relapse? That's just awful.

nobama
07-29-2008, 10:19 PM
O yes, and he barely moved towards the end of the set. Congrats to Roger though for hanging in, but the body langage still worries me.Yep not liking the body language at all.

nobama
07-29-2008, 10:19 PM
Oh GOD. Oh good God.

Roger! Oh, GAWDS!

What, what, what were you doing in the second set?!!!!!

I just about DIED, I had to smoke and all. Been a while since I did that during a Roger match.

So glad it ended with a bagel. I hope that got his demons out.

BTW, did anyone hear than apperantly Mario had a mono relapse? That's just awful.
God that is awful. Sucks for Mario if true. I hope that doesn't happen to Roger. :scared:

anon57
07-29-2008, 10:20 PM
:woohoo:Broken his 2 match losing streak:p,
Ok seriously, maybe not the most convincing of wins and Ginepri lookes completely out of gas in the third set but it'll do. Roger needs the wins atm.

holagirl56
07-29-2008, 10:20 PM
I don't mean to be sour, but did Ginepri just collapsed or Rogie stepped it up?

From what I've heard, Ginepri was gone the third set, but the second was all Roger.

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:21 PM
Not a pretty match by any stretch of the imagination but hopefully winning this will bring him some confidence for his next match. I'm still not confident at all. Don't know how long it will take for him to snap out of whatever funk he's in. But I hate seeing him this way. I want the old Roger (even if it's only 75%) back. :sad:

I take it quite a bit differently. Robby was playing absolutely GREAT during those first two sets, perfectly using Roger's weaknesses to his own benefit (return of serve! WOW! :eek:), and I thought Roger was an absolute GONER after being one set, one break down.

Yet - he played Ye Olde Houdini-trick, took the TB, and completely rolled Ginepri thereafter. :worship: :worship: :worship:

Did you see that lovely smile he gave when signing the camera? I'm pretty sure this will do very, very well for him in the mental/confidence department.

That doesn't necessarily mean that I think he'll easily manage to reach the final now, don't get me wrong - both Karlovic and Muzza are Touch Cookies to take. :cool:

Exclusive
07-29-2008, 10:21 PM
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5377/63773338jn5.jpg
What a perfomance!:rocker2:

hopefully winning this will bring him some confidence for his next match
:lol: Winning THIS? The way he won it? Oh... can't wait the PC.

yanchr
07-29-2008, 10:22 PM
BTW, did anyone hear than apperantly Mario had a mono relapse? That's just awful.
God, that was seriously awful...

Hope Roger has a better fate :scared::scared::scared:

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 10:22 PM
Yep not liking the body language at all.

Oh goodness that's definitely not good. :sad:

Let's wait and see what he has got to say at the news conference.

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:22 PM
he needs to win as much as he can to gain his confidence back

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 10:24 PM
God, that was seriously awful...

Hope Roger has a better fate :scared::scared::scared:

Really, that's horrible! :awww: Poor Mario he is such a nice guy.

Laura dear how are you? It's been a while since we both chatted on these threads. :hug: :wazzup:

nobama
07-29-2008, 10:26 PM
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5377/63773338jn5.jpg
What a perfomance!:rocker2:


:lol: Winning THIS? The way he won it? Oh... can't wait the PC.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Look we all know Roger's game is in a bad place right now. But what he needs now is wins any way he can get them and then HOPEFULLY that will translate into more confidence which will translate to playing better.

yanchr
07-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Yep not liking the body language at all.
I personally think he looked ok. He looked similar in many matches that he was winning. I guess the heat and the humidity is part of the reason.

I expect this one to give him a confidence boost, not a big one, but the one he needs badly now.

didadida
07-29-2008, 10:27 PM
God, that was seriously awful...

Hope Roger has a better fate :scared::scared::scared:

Really, that's horrible! :awww: Poor Mario he is such a nice guy.
oh me too im so sorry for him i like him,i hope he will get better soon :angel::sad:

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:28 PM
BTW, did anyone hear than apperantly Mario had a mono relapse? That's just awful.

Yes, I already posted on that in GM, trying to explain AGAIN how nasty an EBV-infection can be - it never leaves your body, and its after-effects might jump in at any moment.

That's one of the reasons why people making fun of Fed's mono, or even worse calling it an 'excuse', infuriates me.

I've had quite a few friends suffering from it, and while most of them were able to pick up their daily businesses after a few weeks or months again, they always remained vulnerable.

I wish Mario the best of the best, full speedy recovery, and if that doesn't happen, a FANTASTIC career as a lawyer. I've heard both the ATP and the German Tennis Federation might be in need of a few. :angel:

Sunset of Age
07-29-2008, 10:30 PM
I expect this one to give him a confidence boost, not a big one, but the one he needs badly now.

One could see that so clearly from that smile on his face when he signed the camera. Hopefully someone makes a gif out of that soon - absolutely To Die For, and too long not seen!

yanchr
07-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Laura dear how are you? It's been a while since we both chatted on these threads. :hug: :wazzup:
Luis dear :hug:

Yeah, it's been long. It's getting not convenient to post when I'm working. And I've been very very busy recently. Roger not playing definitely helped me :tape: But I'm just happy and relieved he seals a win today. Could be big for him.

Hope you are doing alright :wavey:

Or Levy
07-29-2008, 10:32 PM
I didn't see bad body langauge, I've seen worse, much worse from Roger over the years (first IW loss to Cannas, loss to fish, Volandri, Rafa MC 07).

I thought he did not look happy, but I didn't think he looked dejected, or down on himself. He looked nervous, and lacking confidence - but not like he didn't want to be there.

Robby played fantastically, those return of serve were fantastic, but I'm a little worried that he had so much success with that.

Noelman
07-29-2008, 10:33 PM
No matter it's convincing or not I am just happy about this winning. More winnings in his pocket then maybe he can back on track. :)

Federerhingis
07-29-2008, 10:35 PM
Luis dear :hug:

Yeah, it's been long. It's getting not convenient to post when I'm working. And I've been very very busy recently. Roger not playing definitely helped me :tape: But I'm just happy and relieved he seals a win today. Could be big for him.

Hope you are doing alright :wavey:

Fortunately I don't have that issue at my work only when the respective semesters start for registration. Three weeks from now I will be very busy, but I can always find a way to post from work. :tape:

I am great and work is fine thanks for asking. I hope your work calms down a bit and you get a break from all the stress it may incur on you. :hug:

Exclusive
07-29-2008, 10:43 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Look we all know Roger's game is in a bad place right now. But what he needs now is wins any way he can get them and then HOPEFULLY that will translate into more confidence which will translate to playing better.
Too many rolleyes:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Confidence, confidence.. all you talk bout some confidence:o What a confidence boost he can gain from the match like this. He started not bad, but after opponent become play good he has lost. As always he do this year. With Nadal and not only with him after the Wimby. I am glad you can find some positive in the match we just seen, but... IMO, matches like this may only down his conf-ce which is already as down as possible. He did not won the final against top rivary, he just survived in the starting match beeing 3 points away from 3 loses in a row. It's serious. It's sad.

anon57
07-29-2008, 10:46 PM
BTW, did anyone hear than apperantly Mario had a mono relapse? That's just awful.
That's awful for him, he's already has so much bad luck with injuries and sickness, and just when he seemed to be getting back on track this happens. Hopefully it's not too serious and he'll be 100% again soon.

Minnie
07-29-2008, 11:08 PM
So very sorry to hear about Mario ... :sad::sad: I wouldn't wish this illness on anyone .. my heart + stomach fell through the floor when I first heard about Roger contracting it. I still worry about his fitness/energy levels over prolonged playing periods ... :sad: Poor Mario .... :sad:

NYCtennisfan
07-29-2008, 11:40 PM
Too many rolleyes:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Confidence, confidence.. all you talk bout some confidence:o What a confidence boost he can gain from the match like this. He started not bad, but after opponent become play good he has lost. As always he do this year. With Nadal and not only with him after the Wimby. I am glad you can find some positive in the match we just seen, but... IMO, matches like this may only down his conf-ce which is already as down as possible. He did not won the final against top rivary, he just survived in the starting match beeing 3 points away from 3 loses in a row. It's serious. It's sad.

Of course it's not ideal, but that's tennis. 98% of the tour faces matches like this just about every time out where a win a not gurantee--ever. When you're low on confidence, you're going to have a match like this no matter how talented you are or how many tournaments you have won before. You pull out a match like this and all of sudden you can get a big boost in confidence. We'll see what he does against Ivo.

nobama
07-29-2008, 11:40 PM
Too many rolleyes:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Confidence, confidence.. all you talk bout some confidence:o What a confidence boost he can gain from the match like this. He started not bad, but after opponent become play good he has lost. As always he do this year. With Nadal and not only with him after the Wimby. I am glad you can find some positive in the match we just seen, but... IMO, matches like this may only down his conf-ce which is already as down as possible. He did not won the final against top rivary, he just survived in the starting match beeing 3 points away from 3 loses in a row. It's serious. It's sad.
Look I'm not saying a win like this makes me (or Roger) think he can beat Nadal, Djerk ro whomever right now. But you certainly don't build confidence by losing do you? OK fine Roger won this match because Ginepri fell apart or whatever. So what? It's still a win and maybe that's what Roger needs right now....a bit of luck, a bit of help to get him back on the right track. And maybe after he's strung together a few wins he'll start feeling better about his game, get some confidence back and that will translate into better performances on court. This is a guy who during the grass season was only broken twice and never dropped a set in 11 matches. How else can one explain the deterioration in his game to this level (where guys are pretty much breaking him at will) in just a matter of a few weeks other than the toll that Wimbledon loss took on him?

MrChopin
07-30-2008, 12:13 AM
I'll take it. He is lacking confidence really badly at the moment, and it reminds me of his "playing your way into a tournament" comments. It's amazing how much of an effect one player can have on you, but it's happened to many of the greats, so...

As bad as the match looked (it really is the situation more than anything), Ginepri is a tough opponent on hard when he's playing well. They played back in '05 or something and we were in the exact same situation: Ginperi up a set and break, Fed fighting back to win. The Simon loss would have been far more disgusting had Ginepri won today.

Fed wasn't even playing consistently poorly, especially in the second set. He was in just about every Ginepri service game, returning pretty well off the fh, and was holding easily. I was actually impressed that he kept it up after squandering so many chances, as opposed to getting broken quickly after failing to capitalize. I was expecting a game like the one at 5-5 but much earlier, so the prolonged consistency was comforting. The Ginepri "choke" was no surprise either, given that Fed had chances the entire set. It was mainly the big points where Fed choked, that bh return especially, which brings up two points:

(1) For how long have people battered his bh exclusively? Nadal was the first to really have success doing it, and it seems far more common now (Ginepri was serving the majority of big points to Fed's bh).

(2) I think it was the point to break back in the second, but for the entire rally, Fed hit slice exclusively on his bh, and when he got the chance on his FH, he pulled the trigger. It reminded me so much of old Fed, but similarly, really showed how much that ploy is dangerous in today's game; He had to race out to his fh to hit the dtl winner and I'm not sure his feet were even there in time (his balance really helps him here). He used to do this all the time, so maybe it's a matter of movement, but I can't help feeling there is not enough time to play that way anymore.

nobama
07-30-2008, 12:17 AM
Roddick just pulled out of Cincy. Apparently still problems with his shoulder.

cath777
07-30-2008, 01:10 AM
Big sigh of relief that Roger got through this. Hopefully it will give him some momentum, and his winning record against Karlovic will also help.

I'm not convinced he fully recovered from mono. Poor Mario too :sad: