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My top 20 of the open era

Henry Kaspar
07-10-2008, 10:30 PM
The main criterion are career achievements (over a player's entire career, i.e. pre-open and open for Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe)/

Men

1 Rod Laver
2 Roger Federer
3 Pete Sampras
4 Bjorn Borg
5 Ivan Lendl

6 Ken Rosewall
7 Jimmy Connors
8 Andre Agassi
9 John McEnroe
10 Mats Wilander

11 Boris Becker
12 Stefan Edberg
13 John Newcombe
14 Rafael Nadal
15 Jim Courier

16 Guillermo Vilas
17 Arthur Ashe
18 Ilie Nastase
19 Jan Kodes
20 Lletyon Hewitt

Becker's Volleys
07-11-2008, 09:45 AM
1. Roger Federer
2. Bjorn Borg
3. Pete Sampras
4. Rod Laver
5. John McEnroe
6. Jimmy Connors
7. Andre Agassi
8. Boris Becker
9. Ivan Lendl
10. Stefan Edberg
11. Mats Wilander
13. Ken Rosewall
14. Jim Courier
15. Rafael Nadal
16. Arthur Ashe
17. Pat Rafter
18. Guillermo Vilas
19. Ilie Nastase
20. Henri Leconte (based on ability)

Becker's Volleys
07-11-2008, 09:50 AM
The main criterion are career achievements (over a player's entire career, i.e. pre-open and open for Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe)/

Men

1 Rod Laver
2 Roger Federer
3 Pete Sampras
4 Bjorn Borg
5 Ivan Lendl

6 Ken Rosewall
7 Jimmy Connors
8 Andre Agassi
9 John McEnroe
10 Mats Wilander

11 Boris Becker
12 Stefan Edberg
13 John Newcombe
14 Rafael Nadal
15 Jim Courier

16 Guillermo Vilas
17 Arthur Ashe
18 Ilie Nastase
19 Jan Kodes
20 Lletyon Hewitt


Mostly nice list. Mac is a bit too low for my liking, but you'd probably say the same about Lendl's placing on mine.

Henry Kaspar
07-12-2008, 02:29 AM
Well, Lendl won 8 slams and went to 19 GS finals; this compares to McEnroe's 7/11. Between 1985 and 1988, Lendl reached the semifinal in 10 subsequent grand slam tournaments, winning 5 titles; if one stretches this till 1990 he reached the semis in 16 out of 18 gfand slams, winning 7. At this peak (1986-88) Lendl was as dominant as no other male player during the open era except Federer (2005-07) and Laver (1968/69) -- not even Borg (1979-81) or Sampras (1992-94) dominated as much, and McEnroe (1983-85) doesn't even come close.

In terms of career achievements, there can really be no serious doubt that Lendl ranks higher than McEnroe. And yet I fully understand where you are coming from. I've followed tennis with a keen interest from the late 1970s, and in spite of Lendl's outstanding achievements, I just don't have strong memories of the guy. A tall, slim, grim looking fella, always looked a bit like on cocaine, with an effective but unspectacular game. The world #1, but standing in the way of much more exciting players like Becker, Edberg or Wilander.

By contrast, McEnroe's game is just unforgettable, as are his duels with Borg or Connors. Not to speak of McEnroe's duels with the referees.

Mostly nice list. Mac is a bit too low for my liking, but you'd probably say the same about Lendl's placing on mine.

Henry Kaspar
07-12-2008, 02:30 AM
Btw, Newcombe is really missing on the list, but you still have space for a player as there is no #12 ;-). And Leconte is an eccentric choice -- I'd probably have him around #50. Otherwise, nice. Rafter in the top 20 is very plausible; on my list he and Stan Smith just miss the cut.

Auscon
09-09-2008, 02:10 PM
What about Roy Emerson?

Moose Malloy
09-24-2008, 07:44 PM
My list:

I won't put Fed cause he's still playing

1) Laver
2) Sampras
3) Borg
4) Lendl
5) Mc Enroe
6) Connors/ Agassi
7) Vilas
8) Edberg/Becker
10)Wilander

thrust
01-27-2009, 12:20 AM
It makes no sense to me to call this a Open Era list. It is more of an all-time list. Sampras has 14 Open Era Slams, Laver 5 or 6? Therefore, my list would be: #1- Sampras, 2- Federer, 3- Borg, 4- Lendl, 5- McEnroe, 6- Connors, 7- Edberg, 8- Becker, 9- Wilander, 10- Laver. Perhaps Laver should be ranked higher due to his Grand Slam year, his last Slam year. Rosewall won one Slam in 68 and three from 1970-1973

thrust
01-27-2009, 12:26 AM
What about Roy Emerson?

Emerson^s last Slam was the 1967 French Open. No Open Slams, which surprised me. But then he was two years older than Laver, but two years younger than Rosewall.