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What's next for Roger?

Marek.
07-06-2008, 09:57 PM
So basically, he lost one of the if not THE most important match of his life. We've all seen him recover from epic losses before, but I think this one tops them all.

I think he needs some changes in his game. His FH and serve were the only things keeping him in that match but it's obvious that his BH and volleys are worse. It also doesn't help that he's getting slower so he can't play the same baseline game he's been doing for years.

I had more to say but I'm kind of numb right now so I'll probaby add more later.

Fed Express
07-06-2008, 10:04 PM
Well, I do not see that he is slower. His FH and serve were great all the match, his backhand was also great, only from end set 3 en set 4 and 5.

I think he can come back, he is still the second best player in the world right now. Almost only Rafa can beat him.

And Rafa is playing the best of his life. We don't know if he will keep it up for a long time like federer did. Let's wait what the (faster then Wimbledon) hardcourt season has in store for us.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 10:11 PM
Okay, maybe not his speed as much as his reactions. His return is not as great and he seems to be getting wrong-footed more. This also obviously contributes to his net play as he wasn't getting to volleys quick enough.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 10:15 PM
Nadal's mixing up of his serve, BH, and Federer's lack of BH DTL won Nadal the match. Federer's FH and serve were really good to keep him in this thing.

SUKTUEN
07-06-2008, 11:43 PM
Roger will find out of it.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 11:48 PM
Roger will find out of it.

I can only hope.

Peoples
07-07-2008, 12:18 AM
Nadal's mixing up of his serve, BH, and Federer's lack of BH DTL won Nadal the match. Federer's FH and serve were really good to keep him in this thing.
Exactly right. His serve and FH looked better than ever.

In addition to lack of a nice quick & flat DTL BH, I was pretty shocked how ineffective his perfectly executed slice was vs Nadal, the shot that worked great against everyone else. It worked almost to Nadal's advantage. Short slice was even worse. He almost has to force himself to play a one dimensional attacking game against Nadal. Rafa uses everything else to take control of the rally and then it's over.

Fed's not used to attacking serves but he really should work on that. Nadal has learnt to mix his 2nd serve up and hits it with lots of spin but compared to most guys it's still quite crap and 95% of time will go to BH.

I was there on centre court tonight, wish it had gone the other way but it was still a great match. As for what's next for Roger, I wish people wouldn't over dramatise so much.

SUKTUEN
07-07-2008, 03:24 AM
I can only hope.

:worship: Trust Roger~~~ this lost make him more stronger!!

wackykid
07-07-2008, 01:17 PM
Roger will find out of it.

quote from batman begins movie: "why do we fall? so that we can learn to pick ourselves up" ... also... the saying goes that one can learn more out of a loss than a win...

i certainly hope this loss will kick some sense and motivation in roger now -- something which i think he has been rather lacking in the previous losses... to lose in what he considers THE MOST important tournament -- his "home ground" ... certainly will be upsetting and shocking for himself... he might take a while to pick himself up for the rest of the year and made necessary adjustments... so i won't be surprised if he doesn't end up with a slam this year...

but as all great champions in the past (other than borg who quitted early) ... there will be a time when he picks up later... roger still have quite a few years to go... although he will probably never be as dorminant as before -- NO ONE IN HISTORY had ever been as dorminant -- he CAN still win more slams and take the no.1 spot back (yes i considers his no.1 spot for the year to be gone) ...


regards,
wacky

Eden
07-14-2008, 07:08 PM
So basically, he lost one of the if not THE most important match of his life. We've all seen him recover from epic losses before, but I think this one tops them all.


His reaction to this defeat really says it all. It's the most hurting loss of his career and therefore it will be something different to recover from this match as for example from the RG final.


I think he can come back, he is still the second best player in the world right now. Almost only Rafa can beat him.

Let's not forget Djokovic. Novak's best time of the season is coming now and he will be surely really motivated after his surprising early loss at Wimbledon.

I was there on centre court tonight, wish it had gone the other way but it was still a great match.

How lucky for you to be able to attend such a match, though it would have been of course better if there would have been a happy end.

As for what's next for Roger, I wish people wouldn't over dramatise so much.

Well, we see now what Roger had achieved almost weekly in the past. There has never been such a dominant phase of a career as the one he had. I'm sure he had high ambitions for this season. For nearly every player it would be a huge success to reach the SF and 2 finals of the GS, being in the finals of 2 Masters tournaments and winning 2 titles, but the Federer standard is different.

There are still some main challenges for Roger in the next months - Olympic Games, US Open and The Masters Cup. One can maybe argument that the Olympic Games are not that important for a tennisplayer, but apparently Roger cares a lot and it would hopefully give him the much needed selfconfidence to do well there.

quote from batman begins movie: "why do we fall? so that we can learn to pick ourselves up" ... also... the saying goes that one can learn more out of a loss than a win...

i certainly hope this loss will kick some sense and motivation in roger now -- something which i think he has been rather lacking in the previous losses... to lose in what he considers THE MOST important tournament -- his "home ground" ... certainly will be upsetting and shocking for himself... he might take a while to pick himself up for the rest of the year and made necessary adjustments... so i won't be surprised if he doesn't end up with a slam this year...

How do you got the impression that he lacked motivation lately?


but as all great champions in the past (other than borg who quitted early) ... there will be a time when he picks up later... roger still have quite a few years to go... although he will probably never be as dorminant as before -- NO ONE IN HISTORY had ever been as dorminant -- he CAN still win more slams and take the no.1 spot back (yes i considers his no.1 spot for the year to be gone) ...


Of course it's dumb to write Roger off at this stage of his career. I expect a seesaw at the rankings between him, Rafa and Novak.

Marek.
07-24-2008, 04:17 AM
Well, first match back and it doesn't look like he's recovered yet. I've just about given up on this year, but I think he'll come back strong.

trickcy
07-24-2008, 04:57 AM
Well, first match back and it doesn't look like he's recovered yet. I've just about given up on this year, but I think he'll come back strong.

When? :awww: Next year?

Sunset of Age
07-24-2008, 05:16 AM
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: to all of you.

It was nice while it lasted.

trickcy
07-24-2008, 05:41 AM
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: to all of you.

It was nice while it lasted.

What do you mean by :wavey: Aren't you going to be around here from now on? :awww:

Marek.
07-24-2008, 05:48 AM
When? :awww: Next year?

Yeah, I don't see why not. :shrug: His game or mentality isn't in the best place right now, but unlike a lot of people I don't see why he can't get over this.

Fed's far from over.

trickcy
07-24-2008, 05:58 AM
Yeah, I don't see why not. :shrug: His game or mentality isn't in the best place right now, but unlike a lot of people I don't see why he can't get over this.

Fed's far from over.

Like I said in the match thread, I think he's got the game alright, and that he is far from finished, but his mental state remains to be seen.

Sunset of Age
07-24-2008, 06:04 AM
What do you mean by :wavey: Aren't you going to be around here from now on? :awww:

I am, and I will be.
But I must admit that I find it hard dealing with tards from *whatever* side, who just can't seem to be at least a little bit gracious on occasions.

It hurts.

BigJohn
07-24-2008, 06:07 AM
I do not know what is next for Roger, but I feel the urge to sing him the Get Well Soon song from Seinfeld.

trickcy
07-24-2008, 06:20 AM
I am, and I will be.
But I must admit that I find it hard dealing with tards from *whatever* side, who just can't seem to be at least a little bit gracious on occasions.

It hurts.

:hug: Unfortunately, tards are universal, and know no distinction and are incredibly annoying:mad: Don't let it get to you much. :hug: Good to hear that you'll be around. :hug: :hug:

tennis2tennis
07-24-2008, 06:38 AM
you know what roger needs? time away from the game a year long sabbatical if you like records can wait, yes players would have progressed but he'd get the mental side of his game right again...

anon57
07-24-2008, 06:41 AM
you know what roger needs? time away from the game a year long sabbatical if you like records can wait, yes players would have progressed but he'd get the mental side of his game right again...

I disagree, a year would be much to long, Roger's not getting younger if he were to take a whole year off, he'll have an even harder time fighting off the upcoming youngsters. I'm not sure what the best way would be for him to try and recover but I don't think a year off will work.

Marek.
07-24-2008, 06:42 AM
you know what roger needs? time away from the game a year long sabbatical if you like records can wait, yes players would have progressed but he'd get the mental side of his game right again...

A break would help him but not a year long one. IIRC, McEnroe took about six months off and he was never close to being the player he once was.

soraya
07-24-2008, 07:46 AM
I think a year away is way to long to remain on the top again. It would not hurt if he reconsiders playing at the Olympics and Cincy.

Marek.
07-24-2008, 08:21 AM
I think a year away is way to long to remain on the top again. It would not hurt if he reconsiders playing at the Olympics and Cincy.

There's no way he'd skip the Olympics since he has placed it above slams at this point. Skipping Cincy would be a good idea but he probably won't because he'll want more matches going into the olympics and has points to defend.

SUKTUEN
07-24-2008, 03:08 PM
Roger, please trust yourself, you still the Best player, you never change.

Minnie
07-24-2008, 10:51 PM
I think Fed will just keep on keeping on (playing) until things come right for him - or .... :scared:

Federerhingis
07-24-2008, 11:06 PM
I do not know what is next for Roger, but I feel the urge to sing him the Get Well Soon song from Seinfeld.


:awww: C'est gentille.

SUKTUEN
07-25-2008, 06:01 AM
I hope he find a good friend to give him some encourage!!!!

Eden
07-28-2008, 01:49 PM
There was a very interesting interview with Swiss tennis commentator Heinz Günthardt on tv yesterday.

Günthardt says that other players have getting better, especially Nadal. When he wouldn't be around Roger had won Paris and Wimbledon and would have one of his best seasons.
People would have asked for more competition, now it would be there, this would be the sport and now Roger have to come through.
The moderator says that Roger would apparently be ahead of Rafa in nearly all of the stats, just not in the break convertion. He would only be on #25 there.
Günthardt says there would be two reasons for it: Roger would hesitate much more - he mentioned the Wimbledon final where Roger would have been unsure whether to return with slice or topspin on the backhand side - and that his aura of #1 would have suffered a bit and that the opponents would have more selfconfident in those important points.
The moderator asked Günthardt how it would be for Roger to lose his #1 ranking and the Swiss answered it would be difficult for him to judge this situation. Roger would enjoy to play tennis and then you would get over such set-backs better, but of course it would hurt very much to lose 2 GS finals within 4 weeks and you have to fight through such a time afterwards.
Günthardt says that Toronto would be an aftereffect from those 2 lost finals for him, but that he thinks that Roger loves to play tennis, to be on the practice courts and that he would hopefully be a candidate for the title at the latest of Beijing.

bokehlicious
07-28-2008, 02:02 PM
Thanks for that Doris :hug: ;) was this interview aired on SF?

Eden
07-28-2008, 02:36 PM
Thanks for that Doris :hug: ;) was this interview aired on SF?

You are welcome JM :) The interview was on "Sportpanorama".

http://www.sf.tv/sfsport/sportpanorama/index.php

Unfortunately I can't put in the direct link. It's a bit difficult for me to translate it word by word because they speak Swiss German really quick :p

I treasure Günthardt's opinion because he knows a lot about tennis :) He knows from his work as Steffi Graf's coach in what kind of situation Roger is right now.

Do you know if he is coaching someone at the moment? Or is he just commentating for Swiss tv?

SUKTUEN
07-28-2008, 04:00 PM
:worship:

bokehlicious
07-28-2008, 07:11 PM
You are welcome JM :) The interview was on "Sportpanorama".

http://www.sf.tv/sfsport/sportpanorama/index.php

Unfortunately I can't put in the direct link. It's a bit difficult for me to translate it word by word because they speak Swiss German really quick :p

I treasure Günthardt's opinion because he knows a lot about tennis :) He knows from his work as Steffi Graf's coach in what kind of situation Roger is right now.

Do you know if he is coaching someone at the moment? Or is he just commentating for Swiss tv?

Thanks for the link Doris :hatoff: ;)

I struggle big time to understand it :D

Yes, Günthardt is a nice guy who knows Roger pretty well. I think he's not coaching these days, only commentating as far as I know...