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Robredo, Cañas, Gonzalez, Ferrer, Ljubicic or Massu?

Edomaster
06-22-2008, 03:06 AM
Robredo:
Best ranking: nº 5
Better performance in tGS: 4 4ters.
Better performances in tMS: 1 title and 4 semis.
Years finished in the top-10: 2
Years finished in the top-20: 4
Gined titles: 6 (1 MS and 1 of 300 pts.)

Cañas:
Best ranking: nº 8
Better performance in tGS: 3 4ters.
Better performance in tMS: 1 title, 1 final and 2 semis.
Years finished in the top-10: 0
Years finishied in the top-20: 4
Gined titles: 7 (1 MS and 1 of 250 pts.)

Gonzalez:
Best ranking: nº 5
Better performances in tGS: 1 final and 4 4ters.
Better performances in tMS: 2 finals and 5 semis/1 bronze.
Years finished in the top-10: 2
Years finished in the top-20: 4
Gined titles: 10 (1 of 250 pts.)

Ferrer:
Best ranking: nº 4
Better performances in tGS: 1 semi and 3 4ters.
Better performances in tMS: 3 semis/1 final of tMC.
Years finished in the top-10: 1
Years finished in the top-20: 3
Gained titles: 7 (2 of 250 pts.)

Ljubicic:
Best ranking: nº 3
Better performances in tGS: 1 semi and 1 4ters.
Better performances in tMS: 3 finals and 3 semis.
Years finished in the top-10: 2
Years finished in the top-20: 3
Gained titles: 8 (3 of 250 pts.)

Massu:
Best ranking: nº 9
Better performance in tGS: 1 eighth
Better performance in tMS: 1 final/1 Olympic title.
Years finished in the top-10: 0
Years finished in the top-20: 2
Gained titles: 6 (1 Gold and 1 of 250 pts.)

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Question: What is more important for you: 1 final of tGS or to gain 1 tMS?

For the atp: 1 final of tGS = 700 Points.
For the atp: to gain 1 tMS = 500 Points.

VolandriFan
06-22-2008, 03:14 AM
Pretty sure Fernando has reached 4 slam quarterfinals. ;)

There was already a similar thread comparing Gonzalez and Ljubicic and I guess you could throw Ferrer in the mix. Those three are the most accomplished of the listed players, but the Australian Open final just tips the scales in Gonzalez' favor.

GlennMirnyi
06-22-2008, 03:16 AM
Ljubicic - #3.

JimmyV
06-22-2008, 03:18 AM
A toss up between Gonzo and Massu I guess, depending on whether you think a slam final or a gold medal in singles is a bigger achievement.

Enjoy Incubus
06-22-2008, 03:49 AM
Gonzalez without ANY doubt.

Horatio Caine
06-22-2008, 07:18 AM
Massu's Olympic gold was a great achievement, but I'd still be placing greater emphasis on Slam performances. With that in mind, this is how I'd rank them:

1. Gonzalez
2. Ljubicic
3. Ferrer - at the moment.
4. Massu
5. Robredo
6. Canas

zicofirol
06-22-2008, 08:16 AM
robredo top 5, that tells you all you need to know about this era of clowns...

Chris Seahorse
06-22-2008, 09:08 AM
A toss up between Gonzo and Massu I guess, depending on whether you think a slam final or a gold medal in singles is a bigger achievement.

That's how I see it. Massu is probably the least talented of this group but two Olympic Gold Medals is huge especially when your country had never previously even won a single gold medal.

At first because of Massu's gold medal I veered to selecting him. But as Gonzalez also shared the doubles gold medal plus he has the slam final, a lot of titles and a top 5 high ranking I think I would give Gonzo the edge. Oh yes, and Gonzo is ten times more talented than Massu too for what it's worth. :lol:

In order
Gonzalez
Massu
Canas
Robredo
Lubicic
Ferrer

Ferrer in current form has a good shot at moving up this list however. It is pretty close between 3 and 6.

KitinovRules
06-22-2008, 09:51 AM
Considering the gift for the game , or natural talent, I think that Truba has reached by far the most of these guys in the career.

Manon
06-22-2008, 10:12 AM
Gonzales for now. In a year or two it would be Ferrer.

Nacho
06-22-2008, 10:42 AM
1. Gonzo
2. Ferrer
3. Ljubicic
4. Robredo
5. Cañas
6. Massu

keroni
06-22-2008, 10:53 AM
Gonzo

Turbosupermario
06-22-2008, 10:59 AM
Ljubo - he won DC .

tennismaster882001
06-22-2008, 11:18 AM
For me it's Ivan for sure, not just because I'm from Croatia!
All the other guys never had such consistency at highest lavel like Ivan had during his best years.
He basicaly won the DC alone, has olympic medal and the best highest ranking.
It's true that he is a choker at grand slams but still others didn't have much better achievements except Gonzalez who was AO finalist.

rocketassist
06-22-2008, 02:08 PM
1 Ljubicic
2 Massu
3 Gonzalez
4 Canas
5 Boredo
6 Pics

Thus far.

ReturnWinner
06-22-2008, 03:42 PM
1-Gonzalez
2-Ljubicic
3-Ferrer
4-Cañas
5-Robredo
6-Massu

NicoFan
06-22-2008, 03:50 PM
Gonzalez
Ljubicic
Ferrer
Massu
Robredo
Canas

krakenzero
06-22-2008, 04:43 PM
Ljubicic was the only "dominating" player of them... next level Gonzo-Ferrer, then Robredo-Cañas-Massu...

rocketassist
06-22-2008, 05:07 PM
No way is Boredo's career better than Canas's- Canas' TMS win was far more impressive and was at his peak in a stronger era.

Monteque
06-22-2008, 05:24 PM
No way is Boredo's career better than Canas's-

WAY.

Canas is 30, prize money about 4.9M with 7 titles.
Robredo is 26, prize about 6.2M with 6 titles.

i think it's clear who's have a better career between them

Monteque
06-22-2008, 05:26 PM
= and was at his peak in a stronger era.

again, a mistake.

He's peak was 2004. Fed just began his dominance. 2005-now IS the stronger era.

jdenelle
06-22-2008, 05:30 PM
Daveed:)

Burrow
06-22-2008, 05:56 PM
Canas

rocketassist
06-22-2008, 05:59 PM
WAY.

Canas is 30, prize money about 4.9M with 7 titles.
Robredo is 26, prize about 6.2M with 6 titles.

i think it's clear who's have a better career between them

Canas's TMS was a better achievement than Boredo's cupcake Hamburg run.

rocketassist
06-22-2008, 06:00 PM
again, a mistake.

He's peak was 2004. Fed just began his dominance. 2005-now IS the stronger era.

No it's not- there's more depth in reserve, but the top of the game is way way weaker.

Canas peaked early- 2002.

Monteque
06-22-2008, 06:01 PM
Canas's TMS was a better achievement than Boredo's cupcake Hamburg run.

no. they both got one.

GlennMirnyi
06-22-2008, 06:02 PM
no. they both got one.

:lol:

Look at Canas TMS' draw and look at Boredo's.

Never in doubt.

Boredo is a joke of a player.

rocketassist
06-22-2008, 06:02 PM
no. they both got one.

Yeah so if a guy won a TMS beating five players you'd expect to face at Newport then that would be as big an achievement as these two winning one.

:lol:

Jaap
06-22-2008, 06:05 PM
F.Gonzalez for me.

Reached a GS final unlike the the other five plus of course the gold medal. He also plays much more exciting tennis than the others and brings more personality to the court.

rocketassist
06-22-2008, 06:07 PM
CANAS:

Montreal / Toronto, Toronto, Canada
ATP Masters Series, 29-Jul-02, O, Hard , Draw: 64


R64 Federer, Roger (SUI) 10 7-6(10) 7-5 Stats
R32 Srichaphan, Paradorn (THA) 60 6-2 6-1 Stats
R16 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 5 6-2 6-2 Stats
Q Safin, Marat (RUS) 2 7-5 6-3 Stats
S Haas, Tommy (GER) 3 6-4 3-6 7-6(5) Stats
W Roddick, Andy (USA) 12 6-4 7-5 Stats

BOREDO:

ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Germany
ATP Masters Series, 15-May-06, O, Clay , Draw: 64


R64 Novak, Jiri (CZE) 128 6-3 6-2 Stats
R32 Serra, Florent (FRA) 44 3-6 6-3 6-2 Stats
R16 Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA) 38 6-3 6-3 Stats
Q Ferrer, David (ESP) 20 7-6(8) 6-4 Stats
S Ancic, Mario (CRO) 13 7-5 6-4 Stats
W Stepanek, Radek (CZE) 16 6-1 6-3 6-3 Stats

No contest- Canas' was a far superior achievement.

Monteque
06-22-2008, 06:15 PM
CANAS:


No contest- Canas' was a far superior achievement.

ok. but for me, overall robredo has a better career. Not just "tms thing", add these things to comparison: prize money and age.

ROBREDO

alfonsojose
06-22-2008, 07:08 PM
Massu is well below the others. Olympic medal, that's it :o
Gonzalez and Ljubicic

ChinoRios4Ever
06-22-2008, 09:54 PM
lol at the poll

my answer is F. Gonzalez.

Nathaliia
06-22-2008, 09:58 PM
Ljubicic for me, after all

Alonsofz
06-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Massu is well below the others. Olympic medal, that's it :o
Gonzalez and Ljubicic
Double olympic gold medal and a TMS final.

González for me.

TankingTheSet
06-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Ljubicic had a very good year or two at his height, his total achievements may not be the greatest but he is the only player that put fear into his opponents when they faced him.

Bascule
06-22-2008, 10:32 PM
Gonzales so far...but Ferrer is on the road...and will have a better career than Gonzo very soon.

fast_clay
06-23-2008, 12:06 AM
1. Ljubo
=2. Ferrer
=2. Gonzo

ivan didnt look out of place at all on court with federer when fed was in the middle of running the show... this, during his sustained run in the Top 5 and peaking at #3.

Ferrer will take this in few years perhaps... gonzo, just too inconsistant and incapable of going on the runs from tourney to tourney ivan can... or... umm... could...

ExcaliburII
06-23-2008, 12:50 AM
Canas beat a lot of #1

ASP0315
06-23-2008, 03:07 AM
Ljubicic for me as well.

Canas would be my second choice.
Canas defeated a lot of ex/current world number ones like federer, roddick, ferrero etc and won a TMS event defeating Federer, Kafilnikov,Haas,Safin and Roddick to win TMS canada.

Becker's Volleys
06-23-2008, 10:56 AM
1-Gonzalez
2-Ljubicic
3-Ferrer
4-Cañas
5-Robredo
6-Massu



Spot on order.

Monteque
06-23-2008, 11:00 AM
Why put massu in the list:confused:

stebs
06-23-2008, 11:15 AM
I would say Gonzalez.