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A way for Federer to (comprehensively) beat Nadal on clay?

DDrago2
06-19-2008, 12:37 PM
Why wouldn't Federer feed Nadal exclusively with slow-paced deep balls, sharply angled from time to time, but never hitting the ball hardly? Then Nadal would have to make all of the game and he has much problems to 'kill the ball', and he would probably start to make more mistakes/tire down. Federer should also make Nadal to run a lot and expecialy make sure Nadal hits a lot of jumping two-handed backhands - Nadal would become more and more tired it would be more and more easy for Fed to close out the match. But he should continue playing patiently this same way every game of the match, however long the match would be, because Nadal feeds on tempo and fired-up opponent and instantly comes to life when the other guy livens up! In Federer's only win against Nadal on clay, Hamburg 2007, Federer aplied similar strategy!
Of course this has little to do with other surfaces? but who knows, maybe it would work on them to

arm
06-19-2008, 12:49 PM
:confused:

The surface is green now, isn't it? :scratch:

vucina
06-19-2008, 12:50 PM
You fedtards have completely lost it.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 12:51 PM
Some good points, as usual, DDrago :hatoff: ;)

adee-gee
06-19-2008, 12:53 PM
There is no way for Federer to beat Nadal on clay nowadays I'm afraid, the sooner you realise this the better :hug:

Tabledott
06-19-2008, 12:55 PM
Gee, if Fed defends Rafa will kill him with his forehand.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-19-2008, 12:58 PM
You fedtards have completely lost it.

They appear to be getting worse every day.

Dont worry the light will cure you soon enough.

BlueSwan
06-19-2008, 12:59 PM
Why wouldn't Federer feed Nadal exclusively with slow-paced deep balls, sharply angled from time to time, but never hitting the ball hardly? Then Nadal would have to make all of the game and he has much problems to 'kill the ball', and he would probably start to make more mistakes/tire down. Federer should also make Nadal to run a lot and expecialy make sure Nadal hits a lot of jumping two-handed backhands - Nadal would become more and more tired it would be more and more easy for Fed to close out the match. But he should continue playing patiently this same way every game of the match, however long the match would be, because Nadal feeds on tempo and fired-up opponent and instantly comes to life when the other guy livens up! In Federer's only win against Nadal on clay, Hamburg 2007, Federer aplied similar strategy!
Of course this has little to do with other surfaces? but who knows, maybe it would work on them to

Are you joking? In Federers win over Nadal at Hamburg the match only turned around early in the second set when Federer looked like thinking "%¤#% it, if nothing else works, at least I can hit a few winners", and basically started hitting winners from everywhere on the court. In fact, a common trend in their matches is that Federer only has the upper hand when he plays very aggressively and does it well. As soon as he becomes hesitant he loses - quickly!

scoobs
06-19-2008, 01:00 PM
Do people really want to discuss clay right now?

Me, apart from a bit of attention to the post-Wimbledon season at events I quite like, I don't want to dwell on the dirt until next April.

keroni
06-19-2008, 01:03 PM
fed can only win on clay against nadal if he plays in a similar way to roddick does against fed.

cmurray
06-19-2008, 01:31 PM
:haha::haha::haha:

Let it go, man. Just...let it go.

yvonne_lingerie
06-19-2008, 02:04 PM
I dont think Federer will ever comprehensively beat Nadal on grass either :)

Fumus
06-19-2008, 02:29 PM
Holy shitballs. Federer simply can't do it man. I used to think up ways for Roddick to beat Federer too after awhile you just have to accept it, and root for other people to take him out. (Roddick however has been playing Federer the way he actually needs to the last couple matches so atleast he learned)

rafa_maniac
06-19-2008, 04:31 PM
You need to accept that it's just not going to happen if Nadal plays well. Federer has tired every trick in the book, Nadal is a complete claycourter, he can adjust to every strategy. Unless you play perfect, god like agressive tennis without making any erros, it just doesn't matter what you do.

sheeter
06-19-2008, 04:33 PM
Or he could wait for Rafa to be struck by lightning. That might work too.

Bernard Black
06-19-2008, 04:41 PM
Wow, this one's just like the SixPack thread I bumped the other week. Once Federer has finished reading this, he'll be ready for Nadal. Let's hope he doesn't forget it all learn by the time the clay season comes round.

Foxy
06-19-2008, 04:42 PM
I am the only person who can beat Nadal on clay, but I won't do it. Sorry. :devil:

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:47 PM
I am the only person who can beat Nadal on clay, but I won't do it. Sorry. :devil:

here is the deal:

1. Roland Garros: 28-0
2. 4 straight titles at Roland Garros
3. 4 straight devastating defeats at the hands of the Clay Monster at Roland Garros
4. 41-0 in best of 5 sets foremats on clay


translation: Clay Monster cannot be beaten in a best of 5 sets match on clay. he has just windened the gulf/gap more than ever before. another bad news for Fed: Clay Monster wants to improve his game.

nadal4ever
06-19-2008, 04:59 PM
:haha::haha::haha:

Let it go, man. Just...let it go.

I second that emotion.:)

groundstroke
06-19-2008, 07:09 PM
Just remember when it's not on clay, Federer has a 5-1 record against Nadal.

r2473
06-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Federer needs to switch to a two-handed backhand. Then he would probably triple bagel Nadal on clay (something like 6-3; 6-3; 6-3).

GuiroNl
06-19-2008, 07:20 PM
Federer needs to switch to a two-handed backhand. Then he would probably triple bagel Nadal on clay (something like 6-3; 6-3; 6-3).

My sources inform me that Federer will be switching to a two-handed-one-footed backhand and that he will crush Nadal 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 (the last two sets as a bonus)

Kitty de Sade
06-19-2008, 07:24 PM
Nadal has beaten Federer twice on HC, I believe. 2004 in Miami, and 2006 in Dubai.

nkhera1
06-19-2008, 07:26 PM
Breathtaking analysis.:worship:

I hope you don't quit your role as Senior MTF Analyst to go coach Federer.

groundstroke
06-19-2008, 07:26 PM
here is the deal:

1. Roland Garros: 28-0
2. 4 straight titles at Roland Garros
3. 4 straight devastating defeats at the hands of the Clay Monster at Roland Garros
4. 41-0 in best of 5 sets foremats on clay


translation: Clay Monster cannot be beaten in a best of 5 sets match on clay. he has just windened the gulf/gap more than ever before. another bad news for Fed: Clay Monster wants to improve his game.
Nadal can be beaten. Anyone can be beaten. Nadal's been bagelled on clay before. You can't say "no one is unbeatable" except for some of Federer's form in the 05-06 periods.

nkhera1
06-19-2008, 07:28 PM
Nadal can be beaten. Anyone can be beaten. Nadal's been bagelled on clay before. You can't say "no one is unbeatable" except for some of Federer's form in the 05-06 periods.

LOL. Way to contradict yourself

r2473
06-19-2008, 07:42 PM
My sources inform me that Federer will be switching to a two-handed-one-footed backhand and that he will crush Nadal 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 (the last two sets as a bonus)

Your sources have seen the light.

They will soon be Spartans

and as an added bonus my son, all of your numbers will soon be "cold as death itself". (But, your numbers will be OK in the microwave if you need to heat them up a bit).

RoyBatty
06-19-2008, 07:53 PM
serve as hell, volleying and dropshots.
need training alot also.

GuiroNl
06-19-2008, 08:01 PM
Your sources have seen the light.

They will soon be Spartans

and as an added bonus my son, all of your numbers will soon be "cold as death itself".

Affirmative. Pray for death.

FedFan_2007
06-19-2008, 09:20 PM
Federer can try the junkball approach, but he'll still lose 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 every time at the French Open to the Clay Monster. RFK, Blaze and Clay Death are right. Roger should just "Pray for Death" on clay.

FedFan_2007
06-19-2008, 09:22 PM
here is the deal:

1. Roland Garros: 28-0
2. 4 straight titles at Roland Garros
3. 4 straight devastating defeats at the hands of the Clay Monster at Roland Garros
4. 41-0 in best of 5 sets foremats on clay


translation: Clay Monster cannot be beaten in a best of 5 sets match on clay. he has just windened the gulf/gap more than ever before. another bad news for Fed: Clay Monster wants to improve his game.

Indeed I wouldn't be surprised if he runs that to 56-0 with 8 straight Roland Garros titles. Probably Roger doesn't make the final next year as the field is catching up with him and will probably lose to Monfils in the semis.

scoobs
06-19-2008, 09:23 PM
The answer is startlingly simple.

Nadal is the better player on clay. By quite some way he is better.

So it is not in Federer's hands as to whether or not he wins against Nadal on clay.

Nadal pretty much has to allow Federer to beat him because Nadal playing fairly well has the strategy and weapons to dismantle Roger's attack and breach his defense.

It really is that simple, unfortunately.

FedFan_2007
06-19-2008, 09:26 PM
Nadal on clay is HISTORIC good, while Federer is just NORMAL good on grass. Think Borg(5 straight titles), not HISTORIC, but just NORMAL, no?

cmurray
06-19-2008, 09:27 PM
The answer is startlingly simple.

Nadal is the better player on clay. By quite some way he is better.

So it is not in Federer's hands as to whether or not he wins against Nadal on clay.

Nadal pretty much has to allow Federer to beat him because Nadal playing fairly well has the strategy and weapons to dismantle Roger's attack and breach his defense.

It really is that simple, unfortunately.

bah. Stop talking sense, Scoobs. Though I personally wouldn't consider it unfortunate....:angel:

FedFan_2007
06-19-2008, 10:08 PM
I think the French final simply buried the notion that Federer should have been able to dominate the clay. People were asking that question heading into the 2004 clay season, but Roger failed to deliver against the likes of Gaston Gauido. Then 2005 the clay monster appeared and that was that. Nadal will set marks at the French Open that will never be even approached for the rest of history.

rofe
06-19-2008, 11:05 PM
Clearly the only way that Fed can beat Nadal on clay is by becoming a Spartan. Fed should keep chanting SPARTAAA!!! in the locker room and after the coin toss. This will rile him up enough to become more Spartan than Nadal and get the win. It is so blindingly obvious that I am surprised nobody else thought of it.

FedFan_2007
06-19-2008, 11:55 PM
Clearly the only way that Fed can beat Nadal on clay is by becoming a Spartan. Fed should keep chanting SPARTAAA!!! in the locker room and after the coin toss. This will rile him up enough to become more Spartan than Nadal and get the win. It is so blindingly obvious that I am surprised nobody else thought of it.

:worship::worship::worship:

Not only that but Fed has to have big muscles and arse like Rafa to win on clay. :angel:

fast_clay
06-20-2008, 12:19 AM
this thread is really kinda sad... it really hurts me as a human being to see people reduced to this...

Mimi
06-20-2008, 03:40 AM
ai, FO is over and its wimby now,where fed would win, better to bring this thread for discussion next year ;)

Byrd
06-20-2008, 03:55 AM
He had his chances in 2006 when he still had great movement and better consistency on his shots and mentality, take those away and you have whats left in front of us.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-20-2008, 04:02 AM
Federer can try the junkball approach, but he'll still lose 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 every time at the French Open to the Clay Monster. RFK, Blaze and Clay Death are right. Roger should just "Pray for Death" on clay.

Clay is for Spartans.

Federer is just not tough enough to compete with Nadal on clay.
Man purses dont show a lot of toughness sadly. :sad:

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-20-2008, 04:04 AM
Clearly the only way that Fed can beat Nadal on clay is by becoming a Spartan. Fed should keep chanting SPARTAAA!!! in the locker room and after the coin toss. This will rile him up enough to become more Spartan than Nadal and get the win. It is so blindingly obvious that I am surprised nobody else thought of it.

SPARTAAAA!

That is a good plan. It might toughen Fed up.

Johnny Groove
06-20-2008, 05:09 AM
Just remember when it's not on clay, Federer has a 5-1 record against Nadal.

I'd wager Nadal to beat Federer off clay before i wager Federer to beat Nadal on clay

Johnny Groove
06-20-2008, 05:19 AM
Federer can try the junkball approach, but he'll still lose 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 every time at the French Open to the Clay Monster. RFK, Blaze and Clay Death are right. Roger should just "Pray for Death" on clay.

WTF I never say that bullshit :retard:

Clay Death
06-20-2008, 05:27 AM
I'd wager Nadal to beat Federer off clay before i wager Federer to beat Nadal on clay


there is only one surface where Fed has the edge on the Clay Monster. its hard courts. both fast hard courts and indoor hard courts.

Clay Monster is out to prove that he can play well on grass. 2 straight finals at Wimby and that Queens title should have silenced the critics already. the guy is a very serious threat at Wimby and the rest of the field knows it now.

he is better rsted and more confident.

nkhera1
06-20-2008, 08:24 AM
there is only one surface where Fed has the edge on the Clay Monster. its hard courts. both fast hard courts and indoor hard courts.

Clay Monster is out to prove that he can play well on grass. 2 straight finals at Wimby and that Queens title should have silenced the critics already. the guy is a very serious threat at Wimby and the rest of the field knows it now.

he is better rsted and more confident.

What makes you think Rafa can beat him on grass considering it is Roger's best surface? If I were to guess I would sat it is the fact that you feel Rafa's game translates better to this surface than the hard courts and because of his past history and recent improvements on this surface. It just seems strange to me that you still feel Fed can beat him on the fast stuff but not on his best surface.

Pfloyd
06-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Well, of course.

Federer, when given a chance in the match, can hit Nadal with his racket at full speed in the head, and pretend that he just missed a smash ball.

Nadal would be very dazed by this hit, and he might start making some UE's.

Federer does this "mistake" once more, and you can be sure he would "beat" Nadal on clay.

Not sure if he would win the match though.....

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-21-2008, 09:01 PM
Well, of course.

Federer, when given a chance in the match, can hit Nadal with his racket at full speed in the head, and pretend that he just missed a smash ball.

Nadal would be very dazed by this hit, and he might start making some UE's.

Federer does this "mistake" once more, and you can be sure he would "beat" Nadal on clay.

Not sure if he would win the match though.....

:worship:

Federers strategy that he wont tell the media.

Mateya
06-21-2008, 09:12 PM
There is noooo such way...

Give it a rest, Fed will never again beat Rafzilla on clay.
:zzz: He could only collect a few more breadsticks...

DDrago2
06-22-2008, 12:25 AM
There is noooo such way...

Give it a rest, Fed will never again beat Rafzilla on clay.
:zzz: He could only collect a few more breadsticks...

Before the FO finals I thought it's the last chance for Fed to prove he can beat Nadal on clay - he didn't do it, so I agree with you. I mean, it doesn't realy matter any more... but maybe, he might do it when you don't expet it as MacTheKnife suggested on some place

As about Roger becoming the "spartan" - sparta sparta, Roger is not a spartan but an Angel! And Angel by god's will is stronger than a demon - did you watch Diablo (the video game) sequences, when angel appears deamons are affraid and run away, so should Rafa from Roger!