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fsoica
06-19-2008, 11:51 AM
No. 1: Djokovic: ‘I’m getting closer to Nadal!’
More: http://www.novak-djokovic.com/eng/news.php/2008/06/18/djokovic-i-m-getting-closer-to-nadal

No. 2: Struggling Federer vulnerable at Wimbledon
More: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon08/news/story?id=3450862

michellej
06-19-2008, 11:54 AM
I bet he's never read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie? No wonder Federer barely touches his hand at the net.

The Pro
06-19-2008, 11:57 AM
Ha, Nadal will win Wimbledon this year for sure. So he's gonna slip further away from Fakervic's grasp. Nole had his chance during the clay and grass season and he's botched it.

After Wimbledon we've got a hardcourt season where Nadal has less points to defend. So yeah, Nole's mind war is gonna fail before it's even started. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Well, not win for sure, but I'd say he's gonna be losing finalist AT LEAST. I mean come on.

yvonne_lingerie
06-19-2008, 11:58 AM
djokovic is funny hes so extremely rude he doesnt sound rude hes just funny now i like him saying things like these :p

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 12:17 PM
`Mind war' - Don't you think you're over-reacting? Isn't WIN what you're supposed to do? You think Djokovic should say - `No I'm just out here playing tennis, minding my own business, I don't want or expect to BEAT you so don't be concerned'.

Djokovic says he thinks he's getting closer to beating Nadal - I should hope so - otherwise what is he out there for?

:confused:

arm
06-19-2008, 12:22 PM
`Mind war' - Don't you think you're over-reacting? Isn't WIN what you're supposed to do? You think Djokovic should say - `No I'm just out here playing tennis, minding my own business, I don't want or expect to BEAT you so don't be concerned'.

Djokovic says he thinks he's getting closer to beating Nadal - I should hope so - otherwise what is he out there for?

:confused:

Explaining that to some people is just useless. :shrug:

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 12:26 PM
Explaining that to some people is just useless. :shrug:

:awww: :awww: :hug: :hug:

arm
06-19-2008, 12:30 PM
:awww: :awww: :hug: :hug:

:lol:

To be honest, you were not part of the group of people that came to my mind. ;)

But now that you mention it... :p :hug:

KitinovRules
06-19-2008, 12:32 PM
Who gives a shit what the Faker says.
It's a two guys battling for the crown , as it seems to me.

Jelena_78
06-19-2008, 12:35 PM
No. 1: Djokovic: ‘I’m getting closer to Nadal!’
More: http://www.novak-djokovic.com/eng/news.php/2008/06/18/djokovic-i-m-getting-closer-to-nadal

No. 2: Struggling Federer vulnerable at Wimbledon
More: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon08/news/story?id=3450862

:awww: :hug: Maybe you should stay away from the site cause it seems you're alergic to everything he says. It may harm you.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 12:40 PM
Explaining that to some people is just useless. :shrug:


Maybe the title of this thread is over the top?

Or maybe you'd rather have some good juicy unsubstantiated SLANDER against Djokovic's FAMILY ala someone's sig - `Djana Mountain Whore' or Srdjan - `Crazy Maniac Beats Up Journalist' - right? That's proper and acceptable tennis speech to you right?

Time Violation
06-19-2008, 12:45 PM
Who gives a shit what the Faker says.

Same goes for you. ;)

arm
06-19-2008, 12:46 PM
Maybe the title of this thread is over the top?

Or maybe you'd rather have some good juicy unsubstantiated SLANDER against Djokovic's FAMILY ala someone's sig - `Djana Mountain Whore' or Srdjan - `Crazy Maniac Beats Up Journalist' - right? That's proper and acceptable tennis speech to you right?

:eek: Either you misunderstood my post or I misunderstood yours. :shrug:

Aenea
06-19-2008, 12:52 PM
Typical of Novak. I don't see this as a mind war rather as Novak's way to pump himself and boost his own confidence. He's expected to say exactly those things, nothing wrong with that. I'm not bothered by his statements though I rather he stop talking so much.

tennis2tennis
06-19-2008, 01:01 PM
I like nadal's way better

oh i'm playing against the greatest player ever...
records aren't important
blah blah

he goes for the draw-apponent-into-a-sense-of-security-&-underplay-your own-skill-than-beat-the-shit-out-of-them-strategy :p

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 01:33 PM
He just needs to learn the difference between what he thinks, and what he says. All of those things he stated are probably correct, or close, and that's the way, as a player, he should be thinking. You just don't make those statements in the press.

I know most of us and all three of these guys think that one of them is going to win this thing. BUT, it takes 7 matches to win a major and they all damn well better take every one of them seriously. There are some dangers lurking in the grass this year and stranger things have happened to guys looking to far ahead..

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 01:55 PM
Who gives a shit what the Faker says.

If Faker means Djokovic in your twisted language - milions of fans gives a damn. Just be careful, you'd be overjoy if you meet him, take care of your pants.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 01:58 PM
Maybe the title of this thread is over the top?

Or maybe you'd rather have some good juicy unsubstantiated SLANDER against Djokovic's FAMILY ala someone's sig - `Djana Mountain Whore' or Srdjan - `Crazy Maniac Beats Up Journalist' - right? That's proper and acceptable tennis speech to you right?

Don't. She's probably the biggest Novak's fan. Or one of us. I think there's huge misunderstanding.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 01:58 PM
If Faker means Djokovic in your twisted language - milions of fans gives a damn. Just be careful, you'd be overjoy if you meet him, take care of your pants.

Millions of fans? :confused: Billions is more accurate :cool: ;)

arm
06-19-2008, 01:59 PM
Millions of fans? :confused: Billions is more accurate :cool: ;)

Serbia's population is 10 millions. So I am sure at least 3/4 millions he has... :shrug:

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:00 PM
Serbia's population is 10 millions. So I am sure at least 3/4 millions he has... :shrug:

Nationalistic bandwagoners are not fans... :o ;)

arm
06-19-2008, 02:02 PM
Nationalistic bandwagoners are not fans... :o ;)

:confused: Are you sure you want to say that? :scratch:

:hug:

Matthias13
06-19-2008, 02:06 PM
He's such an idiot :retard: Get a life assnole

scoobs
06-19-2008, 02:06 PM
Whatever I personally think of Djokovic, the sheer amount of sniping threads he gets around here is pretty sad - every single word he says is twisted to mean something disgustingly unpleasant.

I'm fairly indifferent to the guy but he's not *that* bad - not like some around here make out.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:07 PM
He just needs to learn the difference between what he thinks, and what he says.

Why is that? He never be where is he now if he carefully choose what to say, what not...

Aside the fact this topic is one of 4 (about same article).

And what is wrong in the article? Did he lie? That's the way it is right now. He became big threat and you, like army, over and over again 'He just needs to learn the difference between what he thinks, and what he says'. You'd be the one who tell him? Don't give yourself any credit. You and your army.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:07 PM
:confused: Are you sure you want to say that? :scratch:

:hug:

The people you are refering to didn't even know tennis was a sport 6 months ago... They can hardly be called "fans" then :shrug: :o

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:08 PM
Millions of fans? :confused: Billions is more accurate :cool: ;)

Course. All over the world. GM is just a tiny little small pathetic world.

arm
06-19-2008, 02:10 PM
The people you are refering to didn't even know tennis was a sport 6 months ago... They can hardly be called "fans" then :shrug: :o

:lol: I know what you meant...

I was just trying to... humm... You know what I was trying to do. :p

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:10 PM
:lol: I know what you meant...

I was just trying to... humm... You know what I was trying to do. :p

Don't "try too much" with me... :aplot: :devil: :angel: :D

jasmin
06-19-2008, 02:10 PM
What tennis player talks this much about the certain players the way this guy does or do they just let their tennis talk for themselves. It's totally fine to feel that but to continually say it to the press....I use to like Djokovic.

I don't know, but does this normally happen.

I think Djokovic's focus is pretty much on Nadal and Federer. I don't think Nadal and Fed feel that way at all. I think they know anyone can beat them on a good day.

arm
06-19-2008, 02:13 PM
Don't "try too much" with me... :aplot: :devil: :angel: :D

I know it's "useless", I know. :lol::devil:

Oh no, I am not referring to that other postof mine, I really am not! :angel: :lol:

PS: Ups, I am doing it again. :unsure:

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:15 PM
The people you are refering to didn't even know tennis was a sport 6 months ago... They can hardly be called "fans" then :shrug: :o

The same people she'e refering liked Monica Seles as much as Novak now. I mean, you're trying so bad to discredit whole nation. I find is very insulting. But you give a damn what I'm thinking, right?

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:17 PM
The same people she'e refering liked Monica Seles as much as Novak now. I mean, you're trying so bad to discredit whole nation. I find is very insulting. But you give a damn what I'm thinking, right?

:hug: :hug: don't be so sensitive... :awww: you know I'm not a bad guy... :hug:

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:25 PM
:hug: :hug: don't be so sensitive... :awww: you know I'm not a bad guy... :hug:

I'm not. This is 5th thread about same article. Some were closed. But evidently it is not enough. Btw, I am not bad at all but you're trying for unknown reason for me. I'm not bashing Roger or Nadal or....never.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:26 PM
I'm not. This is 5th thread about same article. Some were closed. But evidently it is not enough. Btw, I am not bad att all. I'm not bashing Roger or Nadal or....never.

True, I've never read anything bad or offensive towards Federer on here.. People are just obnoxious with Nole :awww: :baby: :bigcry:

arm
06-19-2008, 02:27 PM
True, I've never read anything bad or offensive towards Federer on here.. People are just obnoxious with Nole :awww: :baby: :bigcry:

MTF is making us all go crazy. :eek:

Manon didn't say that.. :shrug:

tennizen
06-19-2008, 02:28 PM
I'm not. This is 5th thread about same article. Some were closed. But evidently it is not enough. Btw, I am not bad at all but you're trying for unknown reason for me. I'm not bashing Roger or Nadal or....never.

:lol: You take things too seriously, no?:p:p. Try bashing Fed and Nadal for fun sometime;) Call Nadal a moon balling piggy and Fed a pansy choker:rolls:

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:34 PM
:lol: You take things too seriously, no?:p:p. Try bashing Fed and Nadal for fun sometime;) Call Nadal a moon balling piggy and Fed a pansy choker:rolls:

No, I won't. Btw, off - I was steeling something yours:rolleyes:

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:34 PM
True, I've never read anything bad or offensive towards Federer on here.. People are just obnoxious with Nole :awww: :baby: :bigcry:

Did you noticed word I (Manon)?

tennizen
06-19-2008, 02:36 PM
No, I won't. Btw, off - I was steeling something yours:rolleyes:

:confused: I didn't understand what you said?

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 02:38 PM
He just needs to learn the difference between what he thinks, and what he says. All of those things he stated are probably correct, or close, and that's the way, as a player, he should be thinking. You just don't make those statements in the press.

I know most of us and all three of these guys think that one of them is going to win this thing. BUT, it takes 7 matches to win a major and they all damn well better take every one of them seriously. There are some dangers lurking in the grass this year and stranger things have happened to guys looking to far ahead..


Ironic that from 2006 McEnroe has been one of Djokovic's most enthusiastic supporters. At RG when one of the commentators said Djokovic was maybe just a `little arrogant' - McEnroe responded - `You have to be. You have to be a little arrogant, a little over confident. If you don't you won't win'.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:38 PM
Did you noticed word I (Manon)?

:shrug: You're not the only Noletard around mate :hug: :o

Vida
06-19-2008, 02:40 PM
:lol: You take things too seriously, no?:p:p. Try bashing Fed and Nadal for fun sometime;) Call Nadal a moon balling piggy and Fed a pansy choker:rolls:

Fed a pansy choker?! Naaahhhh. :angel:

cobalt60
06-19-2008, 02:42 PM
`Mind war' - Don't you think you're over-reacting? Isn't WIN what you're supposed to do? You think Djokovic should say - `No I'm just out here playing tennis, minding my own business, I don't want or expect to BEAT you so don't be concerned'.

Djokovic says he thinks he's getting closer to beating Nadal - I should hope so - otherwise what is he out there for?

:confused:

:yeah:
Welcome to MTF;)

Vida
06-19-2008, 02:45 PM
Its all silly talk, designed to mess with Feds head. Feds been doing that same thing over and over again. Its no big deal. Besides, its truth ain't it? Its not exactly Fed is 'enjoying his time after winning so many trophies this year too'...

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 02:47 PM
Why is that? He never be where is he now if he carefully choose what to say, what not...

Aside the fact this topic is one of 4 (about same article).

And what is wrong in the article? Did he lie? That's the way it is right now. He became big threat and you, like army, over and over again 'He just needs to learn the difference between what he thinks, and what he says'. You'd be the one who tell him? Don't give yourself any credit. You and your army.

Why don't you read the rest of my post instead of picking out one sentence. The rest of what you said makes no sense whatsoever.. But I'm getting used to that on MTF..

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 02:48 PM
:confused: I didn't understand what you said?

I'll PM you.

Magus13
06-19-2008, 02:49 PM
I'm going to try to explain what it is about Joke and his whole persona, family etc. that turns most people who are not his fans completely against him. Fed anounced he was for real by beating Sampras at Wimbledon. Nadal anounced that he was legit by winning the French. From there the media and fans took those matches and felt the player has arrived and will be a force in tennis. The players themselves never hyped themselves up or tried to play headgames. Never heard Fed say Sampras is done. Never heard Rafa say, I'm better than Borg on clay. Others say it, they may think it, but the class and respect they have for the sport, their opponents and its history is totally lost by Joke. Who says the King is dead after losing in the semis of the AO after winning 12 slams. Its all this bullshit that makes him look ridiculous. The retirements, the FACT that he is something like 4-13 against Nadal and FED and still tries to play head games in the press. Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero, Roddick, Moya never were like this after 1 fucking slam. Joke needs to shut the fuck up and play tennis. Let other say how great you are, try not to be bigger than the sport and maybe people who are not fans of yours will at least respect you.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:50 PM
Its all silly talk, designed to mess with Feds head. Feds been doing that same thing over and over again. Its no big deal. Besides, its truth ain't it? Its not exactly Fed is 'enjoying his time after winning so many trophies this year too'...

My guess is Fed couldn't care less, Nole should try harder... :shrug: at the end of the day Roger's the guy who holds 12 slams and he must be rather fine with that :shrug:

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 02:52 PM
:yeah:
Welcome to MTF;)


The pure HIPPOCRISY of SOME people on this site is stunning. They frequently post about how they `HATE' Djokovic, (use of the word HATE connotes violence). They use any gutter language against him, visciously attack his FAMILY and then when Djokovic says he thinks he can WIN against an opponent - they scream like panthers - `Ooooh Djokovic shouldn't SAY THAT - HOW UNGENTLEMANLY - we don't talk like that in TENNIS'.

Talk about an extreme form of DOUBLE SPEAK.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 02:53 PM
I'm going to try to explain what it is about Joke and his whole persona, family etc. that turns most people who are not his fans completely against him. Fed anounced he was for real by beating Sampras at Wimbledon. Nadal anounced that he was legit by winning the French. From there the media and fans took those matches and felt the player has arrived and will be a force in tennis. The players themselves never hyped themselves up or tried to play headgames. Never heard Fed say Sampras is done. Never heard Rafa say, I'm better than Borg on clay. Others say it, they may think it, but the class and respect they have for the sport, their opponents and its history is totally lost by Joke. Who says the King is dead after losing in the semis of the AO after winning 12 slams. Its all this bullshit that makes him look ridiculous. The retirements, the FACT that he is something like 4-13 against Nadal and FED and still tries to play head games in the press. Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero, Roddick, Moya never were like this after 1 fucking slam. Joke needs to shut the fuck up and play tennis. Let other say how great you are, try not to be bigger than the sport and maybe people who are not fans of yours will at least respect you.

AMEN :hatoff:

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 02:55 PM
Ironic that from 2006 McEnroe has been one of Djokovic's most enthusiastic supporters. At RG when one of the commentators said Djokovic was maybe just a `little arrogant' - McEnroe responded - `You have to be. You have to be a little arrogant, a little over confident. If you don't you won't win'.

Agree 100%, and no one was more arrogant or confident than Mac. And don't miss read my post. I'm not against Djok, all I'm saying his sometimes comments like that motivate your opponent even more. Even Mac, when he was beginning to over take Conners and Borg, made statements like, I'm playing pretty well right now, we'll see what happens.
He was always very careful not to give opponents more ammo for motivation.

Vida
06-19-2008, 02:58 PM
My guess is Fed couldn't care less, Nole should try harder... :shrug: at the end of the day Roger's the guy who holds 12 slams and he must be rather fine with that :shrug:

Thats my take too. Maybe he will get agitated a bit, since its not how things were done before (many players sucked up to Fed, and he's attitude was partly motivated by that. Im not saying he's not genuine though). But ultimately Fed doesn't care much about what Djoko says.

Still, its concevable he is facing some pressure from different directions, and this Djoko talk isnt helping. Personally, Im not the biggest fan of it, but I don't mind it.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 02:59 PM
Agree 100%, and no one was more arrogant or confident than Mac. And don't miss read my post. I'm not against Djok, all I'm saying his sometimes comments like that motivate your opponent even more. Even Mac, when he was beginning to over take Conners and Borg, made statements like, I'm playing pretty well right now, we'll see what happens.
He was always very careful not to give opponents more ammo for motivation.

Mac the `tennis brat' was always very careful about what he said? Au contraire my friend. Mac's outspokeness his total obnoxiousness was his calling card.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 03:03 PM
Thats my take too. Maybe he will get agitated a bit, since its not how things were done before (many players sucked up to Fed, and he's attitude was partly motivated by that. Im not saying he's not genuine though). But ultimately Fed doesn't care much about what Djoko says.

Still, its concevable he is facing some pressure from different directions, and this Djoko talk isnt helping. Personally, Im not the biggest fan of it, but I don't mind it.

Fed is under huuuuuuge pressure for years, people expect him to win all the time :shrug: Djokovic's "big talk" certainly doesn't add that much pressure on Fed's shoulders... :shrug:

Branimir
06-19-2008, 03:10 PM
All this new articles is taking Nole's quotes from 100 interviews and making interesting article.

Nole ain't no Federer or Nadal. He has different personality.

Vida
06-19-2008, 03:17 PM
Fed is under huuuuuuge pressure for years, people expect him to win all the time :shrug: Djokovic's "big talk" certainly doesn't add that much pressure on Fed's shoulders... :shrug:

He's under vast pressure this year, far bigger than what he's been facing in previous years. Thus the results.

Besides, he knows that his legacy is under legitimate threat (not from any player in particular, but in general terms). He's been saying he wants to play till 35 and against different generations. People thought he can take the golden slam this year. All he took is Estoril and Halle. He got severely blitzed by Djoko and Nadal at two last slams. Aura is obviously gone. Players and public know he is not leading the pack any more (apart from being formal no.1). That was not expected at all at the end of last year.

If he fails to take a single slam this year, all that he's been taking in previous years will be broth under suspicion by some extreme press people as being some sort of a 'fluke' due to weak competition, and he knows it. Pressure is never bigger.

If he wins Wimby, he will be rewarded handily though.

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 03:25 PM
Mac the `tennis brat' was always very careful about what he said? Au contraire my friend. Mac's outspokeness his total obnoxiousness was his calling card.

He was careful about what he said about his opponents. If you don't know that, then you don't know much about McEnroe.. Everything else he bitched about, but it was never about his opponents before matches.

BIGMARAT
06-19-2008, 03:27 PM
I bet he's never read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie? No wonder Federer barely touches his hand at the net.

Your not in tour to make friends!

DDrago2
06-19-2008, 03:45 PM
He's under vast pressure this year, far bigger than what he's been facing in previous years.

Not true. It only might be that he got tired - he was playing close to 100% four consecutive years!


Besides, he knows that his legacy is under legitimate threat (not from any player in particular, but in general terms). He's been saying he wants to play till 35 and against different generations. People thought he can take the golden slam this year. All he took is Estoril and Halle. He got severely blitzed by Djoko and Nadal at two last slams. Aura is obviously gone. Players and public know he is not leading the pack any more (apart from being formal no.1). That was not expected at all at the end of last year.


1) How did you manage to 'forget' the illnes he went throught? 2) Please don't mention "Federers aura", I feel like puking 3) He isn't the "formal no.1" but the no.1 and is leading the pack


If he fails to take a single slam this year, all that he's been taking in previous years will be broth under suspicion by some extreme press people as being some sort of a 'fluke' due to weak competition, and he knows it. Pressure is never bigger.

If he wins Wimby, he will be rewarded handily though.

Those "extreme press people" you mention will not aknowledge Federer regardless of what he does. What he achieved is under no suspicion due to "weak competition" since many people (me included) thought he is (one of) the best players ever before he started to dominate, based solely on impression about his game

All in all your whole post is utter crap

Vida
06-19-2008, 03:48 PM
Not true. It only might be that he got tired - he was playing close to 100% four consecutive years!



1) How did you manage to 'forget' the illnes he went throught? 2) Please don't mention "Federers aura", I feel like puking 3) He isn't the "formal no.1" but the no.1 and is leading the pack



Those "extreme press people" you mention will not aknowledge Federer regardless of what he does. What he achieved is under no suspicion due to "weak competition" since many people (me included) thought he is (one of) the best players ever before he started to dominate, based solely on impression about his game

All in all your whole post is utter crap

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. We simply have different opinion.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 03:52 PM
If he fails to take a single slam this year, all that he's been taking in previous years will be broth under suspicion by some extreme press people as being some sort of a 'fluke' due to weak competition, and he knows it.

:lol: Only CD, RFK and Noletrolls will sing that tune... ;) Fluking his way to 12 slams :lol: :lol: good one :yeah:

rwn
06-19-2008, 03:53 PM
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. We simply have different opinion.

The difference is that your opinion is total crap.

Vida
06-19-2008, 03:56 PM
:lol: Only CD, RFK and Noletrolls will sing that tune... ;) Fluking his way to 12 slams :lol: :lol: good one :yeah:

Wrong P.A. You've surely missed my opinion on that subject. I have no intention of repeating it, out of fear you'll get over excited of joy and choke. ;)

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 04:00 PM
I have no intention of repeating it, out of fear you'll get over excited of joy and choke. ;)

Stay on topic old mate ;), again your attempts at being funny fail badly :awww: :shrug:

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 04:02 PM
He was careful about what he said about his opponents. If you don't know that, then you don't know much about McEnroe.. Everything else he bitched about, but it was never about his opponents before matches.

`BEFORE' being the key word here. So being abusive and obnoxious DURING a match (like McEnroe) is somehow NOT a mind game?

He (McEnroe) also solidified his reputation as one of tennis's "bad boys" along with Jimmy Connors and Ilie Nastase (1946–). His disturbing, emotional outbursts were directed at linesmen, opponents, and himself.

Add umpires to that list.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3437500528.html

Vida
06-19-2008, 04:07 PM
Stay on topic old mate ;), again your attempts at being funny fail badly :awww: :shrug:

I'm deadly serious (well ok, I guess you're not that much fragile person).

But look, at the start of the season, who expected Fed to take only Estoril and Halle by the time Wimby comes? No one, thats who.

Sure there was mono, but he still played and played and went deep everywhere (except Dubai, which was understandable).

Point is this season is very different than those in the past for him, and its a new challenge. Thus the pressure is bigger. If he takes Wimby, prize will be bigger. Everyone will justifiably say 'see, he's back to his best'; but if not its 'gloom and doom'.

Regarding that 'fluke' thing, its stupid talk by stupid people. As I've said, only extremes dare to venture there. Still, someone would spin that story 'cause it will sell. Thats how it works.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 04:12 PM
True, I've never read anything bad or offensive towards Federer on here.. People are just obnoxious with Nole :awww: :baby: :bigcry:
:lol: It is a shame :awww:
Ironic that from 2006 McEnroe has been one of Djokovic's most enthusiastic supporters. At RG when one of the commentators said Djokovic was maybe just a `little arrogant' - McEnroe responded - `You have to be. You have to be a little arrogant, a little over confident. If you don't you won't win'.
Why is that ironic? :confused: The pure HIPPOCRISY of SOME people on this site is stunning. They frequently post about how they `HATE' Djokovic, (use of the word HATE connotes violence). They use any gutter language against him, visciously attack his FAMILY and then when Djokovic says he thinks he can WIN against an opponent - they scream like panthers - `Ooooh Djokovic shouldn't SAY THAT - HOW UNGENTLEMANLY - we don't talk like that in TENNIS'.

Talk about an extreme form of DOUBLE SPEAK.
:haha:

That is exactly what has happened here :worship: You're my new favourite poster.

bokehlicious
06-19-2008, 04:14 PM
Regarding that 'fluke' thing, its stupid talk by stupid people. As I've said, only extremes dare to venture there. Still, someone would spin that story 'cause it will sell. Thats how it works.

I never read anything saying "Fed won his slams because of weak opposition" in the actual press. That kind of bullshit is spread by some "no-life lunatic mtfers"... I guess Roger will find a way to get over it ;)

l_mac
06-19-2008, 04:17 PM
Regarding that 'fluke' thing, its stupid talk by stupid people. As I've said, only extremes dare to venture there. Still, someone would spin that story 'cause it will sell. Thats how it works.
What sort of idiot moron would "buy" anything that suggested Fed's 12 GS titles were a fluke? I'm really not sure there is a big market for such stories :shrug:

Maybe Nole's people could promote it on his OS. Another coffee table best seller :)

Kitty de Sade
06-19-2008, 04:17 PM
The first entry is from Djokovic's official website, correct? It's expected that whoever wrote it would be slightly pro-Nole. They are selling a product- you are obligated to talk it up.

If people think he's talking smack in the second entry, so what?

As the current title holder, it doesn't affect Federer in the slightest. If Djokovic thinks he can win, he's got the option to try and prove it.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 04:20 PM
I'm deadly serious (well ok, I guess you're not that much fragile person).

But look, at the start of the season, who expected Fed to take only Estoril and Halle by the time Wimby comes? No one, thats who.

Sure there was mono, but he still played and played and went deep everywhere (except Dubai, which was understandable).

Point is this season is very different than those in the past for him, and its a new challenge. Thus the pressure is bigger. If he takes Wimby, prize will be bigger. Everyone will justifiably say 'see, he's back to his best'; but if not its 'gloom and doom'.

Regarding that 'fluke' thing, its stupid talk by stupid people. As I've said, only extremes dare to venture there. Still, someone would spin that story 'cause it will sell. Thats how it works.


The only difference between Fed's performance last year and this year is during the period of AO and Dubai ( when he had mono). After Dubai his results last year

IW- Rd 2
Miami- Rd 3 or QF ( not sure)
MC- Final
Rome -Rd3
Hamburg-W
RG-Final

This year

IW-SF?
Miami-QF
MC-Final
Rome QF
Hamburg-F
RG-Final
Halle W

The only difference after Dubai between last year and this year is Hamburg. Last year Hamburg final is not exactly representative because of the schedule and Nadal. Even if it was, reaching the final this year and losing to Nadal in 3 on clay is no sign of decline. That said, this year for Wimbledon, I think Fed's level will be the same as the last years. What remains to be seen is how much Nadal and Djokovic have bettered themselves.

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 04:30 PM
`BEFORE' being the key word here. So being abusive and obnoxious DURING a match (like McEnroe) is somehow NOT a mind game?

He (McEnroe) also solidified his reputation as one of tennis's "bad boys" along with Jimmy Connors and Ilie Nastase (1946–). His disturbing, emotional outbursts were directed at linesmen, opponents, and himself.

Add umpires to that list.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3437500528.html

Umpires, linesman, and himself, agreed. Never saw one match where he directed an assault at an opponent. You're mind is obviously made up so don't worry about replying. I get it, you didn't like McEnroe, Conners, or Nastase.. fine.. and I never said Mac didn't play mind games or gamesmanship to intimidate people.. geezzz, does anyone on here really read posts before they comment.

tangerine_dream
06-19-2008, 04:34 PM
I recall a time not too long ago when people would accuse Nadal of "sandbagging" because he was always so respectful of Roger's place atop the totem pole, even after Nadal had beaten him. "He is number one, he is the favorite, no?" Always. Are you saying that's how you want Novak to be? :p

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 04:39 PM
Your observational skills are second to none.


another worthless post from the most worthless poster with a political agenda and a hate agenda.

with all this hate having totally eaten you up, why are you even around?

nadal4ever
06-19-2008, 04:41 PM
What remains to be seen is how much Nadal and Djokovic have bettered themselves.

:bigwave:Are you serious?

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 04:41 PM
Umpires, linesman, and himself, agreed. Never saw one match where he directed an assault at an opponent. You're mind is obviously made up so don't worry about replying. I get it, you didn't like McEnroe, Conners, or Nastase.. fine.. and I never said Mac didn't play mind games or gamesmanship to intimidate people.. geezzz, does anyone on here really read posts before they comment.


Hey, I LIKE McEnroe. (most of the time)

We are talking about MIND GAMES here and McEnroe operated par excellence. About the famous McEnroe - Jimmy Connors rivaly Sports Illus had this -

1) THE BAD BOY vs THE BRAT

It was hate at first sight when Jimmy Connors, who had reigned with Bjorn Borg during most of the 1970s, confronted John McEnroe, an equally fiery Irish-American.

Proud and pugnacious Connors resented the outrageously talented punk who would take attention, money and titles from him. Mac resented the lack of respect Jimbo gave him.

In the 1979 Grand Prix Masters, Connors dismissively predicted, "Remember he's still a young boy; McEnroe will be good practice for me" before McEnroe upset him, 7-5, 3-0, retired, to signal the changing of the guard. "That fuckface McEnroe" was how Connors described his arch-rival.

The younger (by six years) McEnroe came out on top, 20-13, in their often controversial matches, although Connors led 8-7 in Grand Slam singles titles. Their verbal volleys were even, though, and always entertaining.


`That FCUKFACE MCENROE'??! Talk about MIND WARS. Wonder what McEnroe said to Connors to make him so-oo angry?

In this case - the article reflects much worse on Connors than on McEnroe.

http://www.sportsillustrated.co.za/static/tenner/story.php?id=1749


The number of utube clips of McEnroe trying to intimidate people on court is stunning. In one clip he screams at an umpire - `You'll never work again!' Talk about intimidation and mind wars - directly trying to intimidate an umpire into calling the game to benifit McEnroe. (I can't say I blame McEnroe for this - lots of players have been ROBBED by false line calls but still...)

tennizen
06-19-2008, 04:41 PM
Your observational skills are second to none.

As is your propensity for being narrow minded.

zadle69
06-19-2008, 04:41 PM
i like him and he will be the future #1 but until that time he needs to stop talking and let his results and racket speak for him. Djoko your results have to back up your mouth

prima donna
06-19-2008, 04:42 PM
Gosh, can't you be more prejudiced? Just a bit more.

What makes you think you're better than any Serbian?
I understand that in this age of political correctness it's nearly impossible to express a thought without being branded a racist or an elitist, but I happen to subscribe to the belief that the environment in which one is raised has a lot to do with the mentality acquired, as well as the behavior exhibited once the adult stage of life has been reached.

It was merely an observation based on sociology, not a vile statement that was intended to offend Serbians all over the world, as far as I know they could use some improvement in terms of their economy and for the most part have earned themselves quite a reputation, even amongst Eastern Europeans that most of the time tend to be more accepting.

Perhaps if Djokovic had grown up in a society with more of a tradition in tennis, he wouldn't suffer from an inferiority complex and therefore feel the need to lash out every couple of days prior to a Grand Slam in hopes of intimidating his opponent which is right out of Stalin's playbook in terms of class, then again, even most Russians would repudiate this buffoon.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 04:42 PM
:bigwave:Are you serious?

I am ,in the context of Wimbledon;)

arm
06-19-2008, 04:46 PM
I understand that in this age of political correctness it's nearly impossible to express a thought without being branded a racist or an elitist, but I happen to subscribe to the belief that the environment in which one is raised has a lot to do with the mentality acquired, as well as the behavior exhibited once the adult stage of life has been reached.

It was merely an observation based on sociology, not a vile statement that was intended to offend Serbians all over the world, as far as I know they could use some improvement in terms of their economy and for the most part have earned themselves quite a reputation, even amongst Eastern Europeans that most of the time tend to be more accepting.

Perhaps if Djokovic had grown up in a society with more of a tradition in tennis, he wouldn't suffer from an inferiority complex and therefore feel the need to lash out every couple of days prior to a Grand Slam in hopes of intimidating his opponent which is right out of Stalin's playbook in terms of class, then again, even most Russians would repudiate this buffoon.

And who gets to define class? You? I don't think so.

Besides, according to your concept of class, I am sure you wouldn't be considered classy.

Classy people know better what they should or shouldn't write in a forum.

MacTheKnife
06-19-2008, 04:48 PM
Hey, I LIKE McEnroe. (most of the time)

We are talking about MIND GAMES here and McEnroe operated par excellence. About the famous McEnroe - Jimmy Connors rivaly Sports Illus had this -

1) THE BAD BOY vs THE BRAT

It was hate at first sight when Jimmy Connors, who had reigned with Bjorn Borg during most of the 1970s, confronted John McEnroe, an equally fiery Irish-American.

Proud and pugnacious Connors resented the outrageously talented punk who would take attention, money and titles from him. Mac resented the lack of respect Jimbo gave him.

In the 1979 Grand Prix Masters, Connors dismissively predicted, "Remember he's still a young boy; McEnroe will be good practice for me" before McEnroe upset him, 7-5, 3-0, retired, to signal the changing of the guard. "That fuckface McEnroe" was how Connors described his arch-rival.

The younger (by six years) McEnroe came out on top, 20-13, in their often controversial matches, although Connors led 8-7 in Grand Slam singles titles. Their verbal volleys were even, though, and always entertaining.


`That FCUKFACE MCENROE'??! Talk about MIND WARS. Wonder what McEnroe said to Connors to make him so-oo angry?

In this case - the article reflects much worse on Connors than on McEnroe.

http://www.sportsillustrated.co.za/static/tenner/story.php?id=1749


The number of utube clips of McEnroe trying to intimidate people on court is stunning. In one clip he screams at an umpire - `You'll never work again!' Talk about intimidation and mind wars - directly trying to intimidate an umpire into calling the game to benifit McEnroe. (I can't say I blame McEnroe for this - lots of players have been ROBBED by false line calls but still...)

I agree with all of this. Either you just didn't get my original point, or I'm not communicating clearly. You think I don't know about McEnroe, look at my user name and signature for God sakes. I've got more on Mac than you could possibly ever pull up..

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 04:52 PM
I understand that in this age of political correctness it's nearly impossible to express a thought without being branded a racist or an elitist, but I happen to subscribe to the belief that the environment in which one is raised has a lot to do with the mentality acquired, as well as the behavior exhibited once the adult stage of life has been reached.

It was merely an observation based on sociology, not a vile statement that was intended to offend Serbians all over the world, as far as I know they could use some improvement in terms of their economy and for the most part have earned themselves quite a reputation, even amongst Eastern Europeans that most of the time tend to be more accepting.

Perhaps if Djokovic had grown up in a society with more of a tradition in tennis, he wouldn't suffer from an inferiority complex and therefore feel the need to lash out every couple of days prior to a Grand Slam in hopes of intimidating his opponent which is right out of Stalin's playbook in terms of class, then again, even most Russians would repudiate this buffoon.

YOU have established yourself as the `bufoon'. You know nothing of human courage, resiliance, determination or of HISTORY past or present.

Why do you think the Serbian economy is in the state it's in? WHY did Djokovic and Ivanovic as children have to practice under NATO BOMBS? Maybe what you really don't like is that Serbs are at the top of tennis instead of staying at the bottom where people like you have tried to put them and that deeply offends your non-existent sensibilities.

Hunny
06-19-2008, 04:53 PM
Why is that? He never be where is he now if he carefully choose what to say, what not...

Aside the fact this topic is one of 4 (about same article).

And what is wrong in the article? Did he lie? That's the way it is right now. He became big threat and you, like army, over and over again 'He just needs to learn the difference between what he thinks, and what he says'. You'd be the one who tell him? Don't give yourself any credit. You and your army.


Him and his trailer trash family need to keep their trap shut. He keeps going on about new faces on the Tour -same old same old. Stop being such a fag and get some new lines.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 04:55 PM
YOU have established yourself as the `bufoon'. You know nothing of human courage, resiliance, determination or of HISTORY past or present.

Why do you think the Serbian economy is in the state it's in? WHY did Djokovic and Ivanovic as children have to practice under NATO BOMBS? Maybe what you really don't like is that Serbs are at the top of tennis instead of staying at the bottom where people like you have tried to put them and that deeply offends your non-existent sensibilities.

I'm not particularly interested in embarking on a discussion filled with undeserved praise for Serbian nationalism, my statement had everything to do with Djokovic's upbringing and absolutely nothing to do with his country, although it's indisputable that Serbia certainly has played a significant role in the formation of his personality, just like Italy and the United States have for me.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 04:55 PM
I agree with all of this. Either you just didn't get my original point, or I'm not communicating clearly. You think I don't know about McEnroe, look at my user name and signature for God sakes. I've got more on Mac than you could possibly ever pull up..


I understand exactly your original point. I'm pointing out the hippocrisy here. Mind Wars BEFORE the match or Mind Wars DURING the match. You said McEnroe NEVER made a statement similar to Djokovic's BEFORE the match. But McEnroe did plenty of screaming at everyone DURING the match. Doesn't that qualify? :wavey:

Hunny
06-19-2008, 04:57 PM
I'm going to try to explain what it is about Joke and his whole persona, family etc. that turns most people who are not his fans completely against him. Fed anounced he was for real by beating Sampras at Wimbledon. Nadal anounced that he was legit by winning the French. From there the media and fans took those matches and felt the player has arrived and will be a force in tennis. The players themselves never hyped themselves up or tried to play headgames. Never heard Fed say Sampras is done. Never heard Rafa say, I'm better than Borg on clay. Others say it, they may think it, but the class and respect they have for the sport, their opponents and its history is totally lost by Joke. Who says the King is dead after losing in the semis of the AO after winning 12 slams. Its all this bullshit that makes him look ridiculous. The retirements, the FACT that he is something like 4-13 against Nadal and FED and still tries to play head games in the press. Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero, Roddick, Moya never were like this after 1 fucking slam. Joke needs to shut the fuck up and play tennis. Let other say how great you are, try not to be bigger than the sport and maybe people who are not fans of yours will at least respect you.

What else do you expect from these newly rich mountain people?:rolleyes:

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:00 PM
What else do you expect from these newly rich mountain people?:rolleyes:
:worship:

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 05:01 PM
Him and his trailer trash family need to keep their trap shut. He keeps going on about new faces on the Tour -same old same old. Stop being such a fag and get some new lines.


See? This is exactly the ignorant mantra - I will visciously attack you and your FAMILY, but don't you dare say a word about WINNING. That's not POLITE TENNIS.

Well if YOU are an example of TENNIS Ettiquette - Then BEAM ME UP Scotty!

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 05:20 PM
And who gets to define class? You? I don't think so.

Besides, according to your concept of class, I am sure you wouldn't be considered classy.

Classy people know better what they should or shouldn't write in a forum.

Prima Donna and he/she's ilk speak this way about the Serbian people because in fact if you check the Country Scoreboard - SERBIA won Roland Garros this year. By the same token if you look at the number of finalists and winners - SERBIA won the Australian Open and SERBIA won the Stella Artois Championships. And that is what really bothers them. Serbs are not worthy - oh how could they POSSIBLY considering how we destroyed their economy, their image and all - time to DEMONIZE the Serbs again!

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/scoreboard.html

And that's what these never-ending `HATE Djokovic' threads are all about - clearly just attempts to demonize the Serbian people.

Vida
06-19-2008, 05:23 PM
I understand that in this age of political correctness it's nearly impossible to express a thought without being branded a racist or an elitist, but I happen to subscribe to the belief that the environment in which one is raised has a lot to do with the mentality acquired, as well as the behavior exhibited once the adult stage of life has been reached.

It was merely an observation based on sociology, not a vile statement that was intended to offend Serbians all over the world, as far as I know they could use some improvement in terms of their economy and for the most part have earned themselves quite a reputation, even amongst Eastern Europeans that most of the time tend to be more accepting.

Perhaps if Djokovic had grown up in a society with more of a tradition in tennis, he wouldn't suffer from an inferiority complex and therefore feel the need to lash out every couple of days prior to a Grand Slam in hopes of intimidating his opponent which is right out of Stalin's playbook in terms of class, then again, even most Russians would repudiate this buffoon.

you Sir, are near-completely insane.

tennis is a sport, not a playground for you to empty your frustrations.

people who speak and think of such things - it is a proven fact - suffer from such mental disorders.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:27 PM
you Sir, are near-completely insane.

tennis is a sport, not a playground for you to empty your frustrations.

people who speak and think of such things - it is a proven fact - suffer from such mental disorders.
You're one to lecture me on etiquette.

MagicMilan
06-19-2008, 05:30 PM
You're one to lecture me on etiquette.
you need all the help you can get :)

Aenea
06-19-2008, 05:35 PM
Prima Donna and he/she's ilk speak this way about the Serbian people because in fact if you check the Country Scoreboard - SERBIA won Roland Garros this year. By the same token if you look at the number of finalists and winners - SERBIA won the Australian Open and SERBIA won the Stella Artois Championships. And that is what really bothers them. Serbs are not worthy - oh how could they POSSIBLY considering how we destroyed their economy, their image and all - time to DEMONIZE the Serbs again!

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/scoreboard.html

And that's what these never-ending `HATE Djokovic' threads are all about - clearly just attempts to demonize the Serbian people.

Come again?!?
In that regard we can say Spain won both RG and SA Championships.

sawan66278
06-19-2008, 05:39 PM
Novak's arrogance has nothing to do with his ethnicity. Look at Ana and Jelena...two wonderful sports. His family has played a huge role...but he himself is simply digging his own grave as far as neutral fans are concerned.

HOWEVER: compared to Kobe Bryant, the man is as tame and humble as Bambi.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 05:48 PM
Come again?!?
In that regard we can say Spain won both RG and SA Championships.


Look at the official 2008 RG country scoreboard posted above.

As for Stella Artois - Serbia made the Finals AND won the Doubles - Zimonic/Nestor (nee Nestorovic born in Belgrade).

Australian Open - Serbia WON Men's Singles and had a Finalist in the Womens'.


:wavey:

Jelena_78
06-19-2008, 05:52 PM
This isn't surprising at all coming from the citizen of a country that's of third-world status based on European standards.
my statement had everything to do with Djokovic's upbringing and absolutely nothing to do with his country
? :scratch:

I understand that Serbian society drastically differs from Western civilization.

The only way you could see how WRONG you are is to come and see for yourself :p

After you feel the warmth and hospitality of an average Serb :hug: ...after you try kajmak, gibanica :lick: , sljivovica :drink: ...after you experience the exciting night life on two Belgrade rivers :crazy:...do some sightseeing across the country, Viminacium, Felix Romuliana, Lepenski Vir...I guess you would change 'your picture' of Serbia and its citizens drastically . You would be pleasantly surprised (as everyone who comes here for the first time -expecting who knows what- is ) ;)

But I guess you think we might eat you for dinner :lick: :bolt: :lol:

prima donna
06-19-2008, 05:56 PM
? :scratch:



The only way you could see how WRONG you are is to come and see for yourself :p

After you feel the warmth and hospitality of an average Serb :hug: ...after you try kajmak, gibanica :lick: , sljivovica :drink: ...after you experience the exciting night life on two Belgrade rivers :crazy:...do some sightseeing across the country, Viminacium, Felix Romuliana, Lepenski Vir...I guess you would change 'your picture' of Serbia and its citizens drastically . You would be pleasantly surprised (as everyone who comes here for the first time -expecting who knows what- is ) ;)

But I guess you think we might eat you for dinner :lick: :bolt: :lol:
Anyone can take remarks out of context.

Clay Death
06-19-2008, 05:57 PM
Anyone can take remarks out of context.

no. you are the best at that sort of thing.

vucina
06-19-2008, 06:03 PM
? :scratch:



The only way you could see how WRONG you are is to come and see for yourself :p

After you feel the warmth and hospitality of an average Serb :hug: ...after you try kajmak, gibanica :lick: , sljivovica :drink: ...after you experience the exciting night life on two Belgrade rivers :crazy:...do some sightseeing across the country, Viminacium, Felix Romuliana, Lepenski Vir...I guess you would change 'your picture' of Serbia and its citizens drastically . You would be pleasantly surprised (as everyone who comes here for the first time -expecting who knows what- is ) ;)

But I guess you think we might eat you for dinner :lick: :bolt: :lol:
What are you on about? Hospitality is for friends. He can only get an ass kicking.

MrChopin
06-19-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with Serbia, but I do think it has something to do with the way he was brought up. His parents are combative to the point of self-congratulation. While such an attitude can help one's confidence and intensity (as McEnroe notes), it also can lead to the comments that Novak repeatedly makes. Nole doesn't like to lose, and he will rationalize defeat away for as long as he can: "I was unlucky... I was in control of the match..." I don't really have much of a problem with this; if Nole doesn't want to completely accept defeat, that's his business.

I don't like it though, when his family makes comments about others, like "Fed is mentally frayed" or "The King is dead." Such an attitude is an additional facet to the self-congratulation and denial that he and his family exhibit. It's no longer a matter of boasting and self-congratulation or even deceiving oneself about losses, but one that involves bringing down "the enemy." I find that attitude contrary to the greatest aspects of sports and competition.

MaryX
06-19-2008, 06:12 PM
I thought his words of Nadal were in some strange way modest.He didn't say he is better than he is (which he is not), he didn't say he is at the same level (wich is probably true, at least on clay and to some extent on grass), but just that he is getting closer.Is that false?I don't think so.But, then, what ever he says can't deliver objective comments and earn respect.

What was the right answer you'd appreciate?The one you wish for like:

Everything is useless, what ever I do, doesn't matter how much I try, these two guys are just far better than me, there is no more place for my improvement, so I've decided to quit tennis.And that's what I sincerelly suggest to all other ATP players, let those two unapproachable people play in finals and we are going home to watch and cry.What can we do, instead?

Are those lines more appropriate for you?

PS:And about person who calls him/herself prima dona, I think that he/she got more space here than he/she deserves.After many significant posts, language of hate, and other things I don't want to remember at all, you should of seen that already.Jelana 78, for example, who is one of those friendly and magnificent persons, at least that is my impression, tried to explain something to that person wich is unacceptable for her/him, and nevere ever will be.Something like talking to the intentionaly deaf somebody.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 06:21 PM
I thought his words of Nadal were in some strange way modest.He didn't say he is better than he is (which he is not), he didn't say he is at the same level (wich is probably true, at least on clay and to some extent on grass), but just that he is getting closer.Is that false?I don't think so.But, then, what ever he says can't deliver objective comments and earn respect.

What was the right answer you'd appreciate?The one you wish for like:

Everything is useless, what ever I do, doesn't matter how much I try, these two guys are just far better than me, there is no more place for my improvement, so I've decided to quit tennis.And that's what I sincerelly suggest to all other ATP players, let those two unapproachable people play in finals and we are going home to watch and cry.What can we do, instead?

Are those lines more appropriate for you?

I am not being trollish here. My answer for that would be

Unnecessary statements in his presser

1)" Federer is shaken"
2)" Suddenly he is a bit afraid"

He is talking about an opponent and five time champion at Wimbledon. That is my problem with presser. In fact he can say the same things but there is a manner of toning down such comments. He can use humor or he can simply talk about himself. No need to bring Fed into picture. Even if the interviewer asked him specifically about Fed, he can say, " Don't have anything to say about him" "My business here is to try and win" I don't think Novak is evil incarnate but he does have a way of getting into trouble with his words.

Kitty de Sade
06-19-2008, 06:30 PM
Great post, Hema. :yeah:

It has absolutely nothing to do with nationality- Djokovic, the individual, has the tendency to say things in his pressers and interviews that incite people. I personally take no issue with that, and rather he answer things honestly and non parroted, but I can see why people get their undies in a bunch about it.

If he isn't going to amend the way he speaks about things, he is going to have to take the heat for it, especially with Wimbledon's crown at stake, challenging Federer's hold upon it.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 06:32 PM
I don't like it though, when his family makes comments about others, like "Fed is mentally frayed" or "The King is dead." Such an attitude is an additional facet to the self-congratulation and denial that he and his family exhibit. It's no longer a matter of boasting and self-congratulation or even deceiving oneself about losses, but one that involves bringing down "the enemy." I find that attitude contrary to the greatest aspects of sports and competition.



`Alright the King is dead long live the King' - Djiana told her son as they were on their way to Melbourne for the AO.

OMFG what an outrageous statement for a mother to tell her son! And this makes his mother `trailer trash' and the `mountain whore'?

http://www.blic.co.yu/sports.php?id=1471


Don't you think SOME people on MTF might be over-reacting? Storm in a teacup? :wavey:

Magus13
06-19-2008, 06:36 PM
I thought his words of Nadal were in some strange way modest.He didn't say he is better than he is (which he is not), he didn't say he is at the same level (wich is probably true, at least on clay and to some extent on grass), but just that he is getting closer.Is that false?I don't think so.But, then, what ever he says can't deliver objective comments and earn respect.

What was the right answer you'd appreciate?The one you wish for like:

Everything is useless, what ever I do, doesn't matter how much I try, these two guys are just far better than me, there is no more place for my improvement, so I've decided to quit tennis.And that's what I sincerelly suggest to all other ATP players, let those two unapproachable people play in finals and we are going home to watch and cry.What can we do, instead?

Are those lines more appropriate for you?

PS:And about person who calls him/herself prima dona, I think that he/she got more space here than he/she deserves.After many significant posts, language of hate, and other things I don't want to remember at all, you should of seen that already.Jelana 78, for example, who is one of those friendly and magnificent persons, at least that is my impression, tried to explain something to that person wich is unacceptable for her/him, and nevere ever will be.Something like talking to the intentionaly deaf somebody.

Try this:

Q. What do you think about todays match?

Joke: "Today was a great match. Nadal played the big points really well. He's not #2 in the world for nothing and has been in the last two Wimbledon Finals. I've worked realy hard to get to number three and feel my game on grass is coming together and I'm in a great position to challenge for the title."

Q. What about Federer?

Joke: The guy has won five in a row and just won Halle. Until someone beats him, he's the one to beat on grass. The fact that I have done well against him on a hardcourt recently gives me confidence that if we were to meet on grass I would have a shot."

Probably a better way to get his point across without looking like such an asshole.

Magus13
06-19-2008, 06:39 PM
Alright the King is dead long live the King' - Djiana told her son as they were on their way to Melbourne for the AO.

OMFG what an outrageous statement for a mother to tell her son! And this makes his mother `trailer trash' and the `mountain whore'?


If it gets out in public, then yes it does.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 06:51 PM
Alright the King is dead long live the King' - Djiana told her son as they were on their way to Melbourne for the AO.

OMFG what an outrageous statement for a mother to tell her son! And this makes his mother `trailer trash' and the `mountain whore'?


If it gets out in public, then yes it does.

1. Novak didn't say 'King is dead long live the King'
2. Nobody mom isn't a whore.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 06:54 PM
Great post, Hema. :yeah:

It has absolutely nothing to do with nationality- Djokovic

Says you, sawan, tennizen, most of MTFrs....but I can't be Ok with primadonna nazi & rasist statesment. We, Serbs found it as the worst kind of statesment.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 06:58 PM
Alright the King is dead long live the King' - Djiana told her son as they were on their way to Melbourne for the AO.

OMFG what an outrageous statement for a mother to tell her son! And this makes his mother `trailer trash' and the `mountain whore'?


If it gets out in public, then yes it does.


Ah yes the denizens of `tennis ettiquette' ready to rip any player AND his family to shreds given the SLIGHTEST opportunity.

`Mom I think I can beat Federer'

`No you can't darling now STFU'.

MaryX
06-19-2008, 07:00 PM
Unnecessary statements in his presser

1)" Federer is shaken"
2)" Suddenly he is a bit afraid"



I don't find you trollish poster.So, nothing against you :) .Yes, maybe he didn't give the right answers.But, who are we to decide what is the right one?Are those Nadal gives right?Maybe.At least, they are more generally likable.But, Djokovic is intuitive person and pretty much speaks his mind.Once he was #1 at ATP race he's never seemed like a person totally carried away.He knew how strong were his opponents.And, don't you think those words about Federer are not the same many of us consider to be potential truth?

Probably a better way to get his point across without looking like such an asshole.


Another one suggestion what Novak's answers should be like.

groundstroke
06-19-2008, 07:05 PM
The reality is that Nadal's getting closer to Federer while Djokovic is slipping away.

tennizen
06-19-2008, 07:10 PM
I don't find you trollish poster.So, nothing against you :) .Yes, maybe he didn't give the right answers.But, who are we to decide what is the right one?Are those Nadal gives right?Maybe.At least, they are more generally likable.But, Djokovic is intuitive person and pretty much speaks his mind.Once he was #1 at ATP race he's never seemed like a person totally carried away.He knew how strong were his opponents.And, don't you think those words about Federer are not the same many of us consider to be potential truth?


Oh objectively speaking he can speak his mind, no doubt. In fact we have no business judging him or anyone else for that matter.

However, unfortunately image means a lot especially in the sporting world. We only get snippets of the player's personality. And if he comes across as being inconsiderate and cocky, he is bound to have haters greater than for Nadal based on common perceptions of sportsmanship. And you as his supporter will have to face the "unreasonable dislike" stemming from such an image. If the press takes upon this image and he is unhappy with it, it will be due to his own carelessness. If he is fine with the image of a cocky guy, all that we say and do here is immaterial. That is my opinion:)

Kitty de Sade
06-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Says you, sawan, tennizen, most of MTFrs....but I can't be Ok with primadonna nazi & rasist statesment. We, Serbs found it as the worst kind of statesment.

I never support the bashing of anyone, or their country of origin. It's against everything I believe in. If that is in any way what was drawn from my comment, it is 100% not the case.

I reacted only to the question of Djokovic receiving heat because of what he says in his interviews, and nothing more.

If someone chooses to go beyond that, bringing irrelevant topics into the discussion, I'm not part of that group.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 07:13 PM
The reality is that Nadal's getting closer to Federer while Djokovic is slipping away.


Ironically Djokovic IS getting closer to beating Nadal (of course let's not forget he already HAS). The more they keep putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw, the stronger he will get both physically and mentally. Most people see that NADAL is the man to beat right now, not Federer. So the more Djokovic plays Nadal the more he learns Nadal's game and mentality.

Time will tell. There will be wins and losses, that's part of the sport.

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 07:17 PM
I never support the bashing of anyone, or their country of origin. It's against everything I believe in. If that is in any way what was drawn from my comment, it is 100% not the case.

I reacted only to the question of Djokovic receiving heat because of what he says in his interviews, and nothing more.

If someone chooses to go beyond that, bringing irrelevant topics into the discussion, I'm not part of that group.

I know. Maybe I'm idealist and still believe there is much more people like you. But I'm aware you understand my anger.

l_mac
06-19-2008, 07:22 PM
I find the anti Serbian posts as boring as I do the Serbain pride!! posts :zzz:

Ironically Djokovic IS getting closer to beating Nadal (of course let's not forget he already HAS). The more they keep putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw, the stronger he will get both physically and mentally. Most people see that NADAL is the man to beat right now, not Federer. So the more Djokovic plays Nadal the more he learns Nadal's game and mentality.

Time will tell. There will be wins and losses, that's part of the sport.

If they keep putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw and he keeps losing to him, I don't think that's going to do much for his mental or physical strength :shrug: Even if Nole beats Rafa every single time they play on a hardcourt, it won't make any difference to their clay matches.

Also, again I am confused by the use of the word "ironically"

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 07:33 PM
I never support the bashing of anyone, or their country of origin. It's against everything I believe in. If that is in any way what was drawn from my comment, it is 100% not the case.

I reacted only to the question of Djokovic receiving heat because of what he says in his interviews, and nothing more.

If someone chooses to go beyond that, bringing irrelevant topics into the discussion, I'm not part of that group.


Then you are 100% hippocritical - because Djokovic did NOT say `the King is Dead'.
You openly acknowledged that his mother said it and thus you say she deserves to be called `Mountain Whore'.

MrChopin
06-19-2008, 07:37 PM
`Alright the King is dead long live the King' - Djiana told her son as they were on their way to Melbourne for the AO. OMFG what an outrageous statement for a mother to tell her son!

Whether or not she said it to only Nole, it's still outrageous. Why is "Play your best and you can beat him" not good enough? Is it healthy to relate competition to the drastic change of monarchies and implied ending of another's rule (in effect, the killing of a king)? And if it is a "teacup," why use such a harsh analogy? Yes, it's one puny little sentence, but my main point was that Novak feels this kind of attitude is appropriate, and it is manifested in his statements concerning the top two. That his parents talk to him like this is probably the reason why he feels that it is acceptable to assert that "Suddenly, he [Fed] is a bit afraid" or "He is a bit shaken."

That it became public refutes your "it was between mother and son" comment. If she is going to use such "strong motivation," keep it to yourself, don't tout your confidence/certainty before a reporter.

And this makes his mother `trailer trash' and the `mountain whore'?

I didn't say this. It's not an appropriate response, but it may summarize what some people feel: Dijana and Srjdan's have acted irresponsibly with their new-found popularity (or in other words, they have exhibited "mountain"-like behavior).

Don't you think SOME people on MTF might be over-reacting? Storm in a teacup? :wavey:

Maybe, but who is to say what is "overreacting." Some people may be personally offended. Are you going to say that their honest emotional response is wrong? Could this all be avoided by Djokovic's family keeping a tighter reign on their public statements (never mind their highly combative attitudes)?

Kitty de Sade
06-19-2008, 07:42 PM
I know. Maybe I'm idealist and still believe there is much more people like you. But I'm aware you understand my anger.

Of course I undersand your frustration- anger is a natural response when people talk that way. I'll agree with you, and hope that more people are reasonable, or idealistic as you said. :)

Anyone who chooses to bring the other things into a discussion isn't getting the point.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 07:46 PM
I find the anti Serbian posts as boring as I do the Serbain pride!! posts :zzz:



If they keep putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw and he keeps losing to him, I don't think that's going to do much for his mental or physical strength :shrug: Even if Nole beats Rafa every single time they play on a hardcourt, it won't make any difference to their clay matches.

Also, again I am confused by the use of the word "ironically"

It's IRONIC because by repeatedly putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw - (giving Federer an easier path to the Finals), it could actually make Djokovic STRONGER. NADAL is the man to beat right now. By playing Nadal repeately, Djokovic is learning how to play Nadal's game - when he finally gets to play Federer it won't seem as hard. And yes it could go the other way - if Djokovic loses repeatedly to Nadal it could be discouraging, but I don't think so. Not for long, if at all. Do you?

Corey Feldman
06-19-2008, 07:46 PM
Keep flapping those lips Nole

just gonna make it more enjoyable when you have future crash & burns

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 07:51 PM
Could this all be avoided by Djokovic's family keeping a tighter reign on their public statements (never mind their highly combative attitudes)?

Sez the final arbiter of `mountain like behavior' with the screaming, bloodthirsty cannibal king as his icon. What kind of message are YOU sending? More hippocritical double-speak? :confused: :wavey:

l_mac
06-19-2008, 07:55 PM
It's IRONIC because by repeatedly putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw - (giving Federer an easier path to the Finals), it could actually make Djokovic STRONGER. NADAL is the man to beat right now. By playing Nadal repeately, Djokovic is learning how to play Nadal's game - when he finally gets to play Federer it won't seem as hard. And yes it could go the other way - if Djokovic loses repeately to Nadal it could be discouraging, but I don't think so. Not for long, if at all. Do you?

Nadal and Federer don't play anything like each other on any surface, so Djokovic learning about Nadal's game won't help him at all against Federer.

Do I think Nole losing repeatedly to Nadal would be discouraging? Yes, hugely. Do I think he will keep losing to Nadal? No. I'd give Rafa the edge in 5 set matches on any surface (maybe not USO) and clay, and Djoko the edge on hardcourts. On grass I think they are pretty even, except Nadal moves a lot better.

Monteque
06-19-2008, 07:57 PM
Djokovic = the most hated player in the top 10. But this is what he needs to do to boost his confident and he's just 21, you cant expect him to do like a wise old man.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 08:02 PM
Nadal and Federer don't play anything like each other on any surface, so Djokovic learning about Nadal's game won't help him at all against Federer.




If Nadal beats Federer at Wimby then it would help to emulate Nadal's game.

Of course some will say Federer only lost because he's tired or over the hill, not because Nadal has a superior game.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 08:05 PM
Djokovic = the most hated player in the top 10. But this is what he needs to do to boost his confident and he's just 21, you cant expect him to do like a wise old man.

Why do you use the word - `HATE'? Hate connotes violence. This is a sports forum. :confused:

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:09 PM
Djokovic knows it is a two-horse race.

He's just trying to rile up some feathers to get people to talk more about him as more than just a 3rd wheel.

MrChopin
06-19-2008, 08:13 PM
Sez the final arbiter of `mountain like behavior'

I suggested where this sentiment originates. I didn't say or justify that their behavior was mountain-like, though I did justify my feelings regarding the Djokovic's public comments and interpretations of their attitude. You've ignored this part.

with the screaming, bloodthirsty cannibal king as his icon.

:confused:

What kind of message are YOU sending? More hippocritical double-speak? :confused: :wavey:

Maybe it's a language barrier. :confused:

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:14 PM
Ironically Djokovic IS getting closer to beating Nadal (of course let's not forget he already HAS). The more they keep putting Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw, the stronger he will get both physically and mentally. Most people see that NADAL is the man to beat right now, not Federer. So the more Djokovic plays Nadal the more he learns Nadal's game and mentality.

Time will tell. There will be wins and losses, that's part of the sport.

Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on clay? NO
Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on grass? NO
Has Nadal ever beaten Djokovic on hard courts? YES

Monteque
06-19-2008, 08:17 PM
Djokovic just giving me some old memories tough. The same thing happened when Hewitt and Nadal escalated to the surface.

Roger is a late boomer so public was a bit kind to him and he's such an easy character(calm, smooth) and didnt say too much.

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 08:17 PM
I suggested where this sentiment originates. I didn't say or justify that their behavior was mountain-like, though I did justify my feelings regarding the Djokovic's public comments and interpretations of their attitude. You've ignored this part.

:confused:

Maybe it's a language barrier. :confused:


The `PRAY FOR DEATH' under your icon reads loud and clear.

prima donna
06-19-2008, 08:17 PM
Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on clay? NO
Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on grass? NO
Has Nadal ever beaten Djokovic on hard courts? YES
Infraction!

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 08:20 PM
Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on clay? NO
Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on grass? NO
Has Nadal ever beaten Djokovic on hard courts? YES

Don't forget this part -

Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on hard courts? YES

Time will tell...Djokovic is doing really well. He doesn't have to make every tournament into live or die - the end of the world.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:29 PM
Don't forget this part -

Has Djokovic ever beaten Nadal on hard courts? YES

Time will tell...Djokovic is doing really well. He doesn't have to make every tournament into live or die - the end of the world.

So what? Djokovic is a better hardcourt player than Nadal, we all know this.

I am merely pointing out that on all surfaces, Nadal clearly has the advantage.

2-0 on grass.
2-3 on hardcourts
5-0 on clay.

Advantage Rafa

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:29 PM
Infraction!

Edited post!

~Maya~
06-19-2008, 08:40 PM
I think that for Roger Wimbledon is to be or not to be situation. If he does not win Wimbledon, who is going to pick him as the first favorite to win US Open? He is under a great pressure. Is Roger vulnerable? He has been vulnerable this whole year don't you think. All this being said, this vulnerability, that everybody is aware of including Roger himself, can make him fold :scared: or it can make him fight like a lion :fiery:. Let’s see what happens
As for Djokovic, he is saying that everybody has ups and downs and at this moment Roger is beatable and that he is one of the guys that can potentionaly beat him.

Allez
06-19-2008, 08:41 PM
Oh dear, another "getting closer to Nadal" comment. This would make a fine romantic novel I'm sure, but has no basis in real life tennis as Roger painfully found out. Nadal doesn't like people getting too close to him for some reason.

Daniel
06-19-2008, 08:44 PM
Who cares what Djokovic got to say.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:45 PM
Oh dear, another "getting closer to Nadal" comment. This would make a fine romantic novel I'm sure, but has no basis in real life tennis as Roger painfully found out. Nadal doesn't like people getting too close to him for some reason.

Djokovic has had 4 chances since the beginning of the clay season to prove he belongs in the conversation with Fed and Nadal.

1. MC SF, where he pussied out against Fed
2. Hamburg SF, where he played well but couldn't win
3. RG SF where he was destroyed
4. Queens where Nadal outclassed him

Okonsky
06-19-2008, 08:48 PM
Who cares what Djokovic got to say.

I care. What can we do now?

MaryX
06-19-2008, 08:50 PM
I find the anti Serbian posts as boring as I do the Serbain pride!! posts

I find the anti- Serbian posts very insulting and xenophobic.The Serbian pride posts I find unappropriate.However, there is no adequate answer to xenophobic posts, no way you can change somebody's opinion by sending either serbian pride respond, ironic respond, "classy" or "non-classy" respond.Maybe the best solution is pretending not being from Serbia, or being Serbian but not-Novak fan.Joking, ofcourse.

arm
06-19-2008, 08:52 PM
Who cares what Djokovic got to say.

You would be surprised at the large number of people that care.

Count me in. (I think I am someone, no?)

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 08:55 PM
You would be surprised at the large number of people that care.

Count me in. (I think I am someone, no?)

:hug:

arm
06-19-2008, 09:00 PM
:hug:

:hug: ;)

BIGMARAT
06-19-2008, 09:14 PM
So what? Djokovic is a better hardcourt player than Nadal, we all know this.

I am merely pointing out that on all surfaces, Nadal clearly has the advantage.

2-0 on grass.
2-3 on hardcourts
5-0 on clay.

Advantage Rafa


convince your self!

Rafa never pass the second week on AO and US Open, after how many tries?

Nole has been in semis or better on all Slams! and he just started in 2007.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2008, 09:17 PM
:hug: ;)

:kiss:

convince your self!

Rafa never pass the second week on AO and US Open, after how many tries?

Nole has been in semis or better on all Slams! and he just started in 2007.

Yes, Nadal has never been in the 2nd week of AO and USO.

I imagine the QF and SF are played in the first week then? :lol:

Castafiore
06-19-2008, 09:21 PM
Rafa never pass the second week on AO and US Open, after how many tries?
:lol: He's done both.

Nice try, though. :hug:

DrJules
06-19-2008, 09:31 PM
Djokovic is about winning not being liked.

BIGMARAT
06-19-2008, 09:34 PM
:kiss:



Yes, Nadal has never been in the 2nd week of AO and USO.

I imagine the QF and SF are played in the first week then? :lol:


Ok stand corrected, maybe im not actually really interested in moon balling.

but anyways,

here's nole and rafa- highest accomplishments in each slam
Rafa Nole
AO- Semis Champion
RG- Champion Semis
WB- Finalist Semis
US- Quarter Finalist

And your claiming rafa is more of an all surface than Nole? Nole just started in 2007? Rafa has been trying since 2005 when he was a legit number 2.

Tnn74
06-19-2008, 10:43 PM
convince your self!

Rafa never pass the second week on AO and US Open, after how many tries?


Keep 'em comin'! :yeah:

GuiroNl
06-19-2008, 11:00 PM
This bigmarat humours me :)

sanshisan
06-19-2008, 11:17 PM
Ok stand corrected, maybe im not actually really interested in moon balling.

but anyways,

here's nole and rafa- highest accomplishments in each slam
Rafa Nole
AO- Semis Champion
RG- Champion Semis
WB- Finalist Semis
US- Quarter Finalist

And your claiming rafa is more of an all surface than Nole? Nole just started in 2007? Rafa has been trying since 2005 when he was a legit number 2.


Good Point.

Corey Feldman
06-19-2008, 11:41 PM
Big Mouth strikes again

MrChopin
06-19-2008, 11:47 PM
Big Mouth strikes again

Now I'm going to picture Nole's bulbous head every time I hear that song. :mad:

10nisfan
06-19-2008, 11:50 PM
As What NADAL Said in his Interview Before His Semifinal Match Against The Djoker: "this is just talk, talk, talk. What is important is play well on the court, and we'll see who wins."

But Then again, The Djoker likes to Talk... and Djoker is entitled to his own opinion...

SO, we'll just wait and see if He Can Walk the Talk at Wimbledon 2008...

Corey Feldman
06-19-2008, 11:52 PM
Now I'm going to picture Nole's bulbous head every time I hear that song. :mad::haha::haha::jaja:

Fedex
06-19-2008, 11:53 PM
Djokovic is about winning not being liked.

He doesn't win nearly enough for all of the talking he does.

Corey Feldman
06-20-2008, 12:07 AM
Djokovic is about winning not being liked.:bs:

remember his reactions to the Aussie fans after the Semi and Final this year?

he just couldnt wait to 'try' and make them feel guilty for not supporting him in those matches - as if it were some crime being commited against him

pretty much the first thing he wanted to make clear in his on court interviews rather than enjoying his victories/anything else.

MaryX
06-20-2008, 12:08 AM
He doesn't win nearly enough for all of the talking he does.


I think he wins a lot.Far more than you can stand.Imagine how difficult it will be for you just year from now.

as if it were some crime being commited against him
well, it was crime...being against such a sweet guy :sad: ;)

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 12:16 AM
I think he wins a lot.Far more than you can stand.Imagine how difficult it will be for you just year from now.


well, it was crime...being against such a sweet guy :sad: ;)

:wavey::worship:

sawan66278
06-20-2008, 01:29 AM
I don't think this has anything to do with Serbia, but I do think it has something to do with the way he was brought up. His parents are combative to the point of self-congratulation. While such an attitude can help one's confidence and intensity (as McEnroe notes), it also can lead to the comments that Novak repeatedly makes. Nole doesn't like to lose, and he will rationalize defeat away for as long as he can: "I was unlucky... I was in control of the match..." I don't really have much of a problem with this; if Nole doesn't want to completely accept defeat, that's his business.

I don't like it though, when his family makes comments about others, like "Fed is mentally frayed" or "The King is dead." Such an attitude is an additional facet to the self-congratulation and denial that he and his family exhibit. It's no longer a matter of boasting and self-congratulation or even deceiving oneself about losses, but one that involves bringing down "the enemy." I find that attitude contrary to the greatest aspects of sports and competition.

Excellent, well-thought out points. Hear, hear.

I am not being trollish here. My answer for that would be

Unnecessary statements in his presser

1)" Federer is shaken"
2)" Suddenly he is a bit afraid"

He is talking about an opponent and five time champion at Wimbledon. That is my problem with presser. In fact he can say the same things but there is a manner of toning down such comments. He can use humor or he can simply talk about himself. No need to bring Fed into picture. Even if the interviewer asked him specifically about Fed, he can say, " Don't have anything to say about him" "My business here is to try and win" I don't think Novak is evil incarnate but he does have a way of getting into trouble with his words.

You are so correct. He should change his name to "No-tact" Djokovic.

Tnn74
06-20-2008, 01:34 AM
"suddenly he is a bit afraid..."

:lol: I can sense Federer shaking every time he glances at the draw
and see sweet angel Novak's name... not to mention, the frightening ordeal
of having to deal with the Fakevic camp and their "N-O-L-E" shirts :eek:
Poor Federer, the guy is literally shaking in his Wimbledon trousers :lol:

Alex999
06-20-2008, 01:39 AM
I'm disgusted by some xenophobic comments in this thread. Some people here have no shame.

Tnn74
06-20-2008, 01:42 AM
I'm disgusted by some xenophobic comments in this thread. Some people here have no shame.

Alex, dear...
read the thread title... any time you enter such a thread
you accept the risk of reading such comments... this is, MTF, afterall...

alfonsojose
06-20-2008, 01:44 AM
Ok stand corrected, maybe im not actually really interested in moon balling.

but anyways,

here's nole and rafa- highest accomplishments in each slam
Rafa Nole
AO- Semis Champion
RG- Champion Semis
WB- Finalist Semis
US- Quarter Finalist

And your claiming rafa is more of an all surface than Nole? Nole just started in 2007? Rafa has been trying since 2005 when he was a legit number 2.
Good post. I'm not fan of Nadal o Nole, but The Serbian has done on hardcourts these last ywo years more than Rafa ever has :shrug:

Johnny Groove
06-20-2008, 02:04 AM
Good post. I'm not fan of Nadal o Nole, but The Serbian has done on hardcourts these last ywo years more than Rafa ever has :shrug:

Cause the djoker has 4 slams :rolleyes:

Mimi
06-20-2008, 02:47 AM
yeah, nadal is smarter, don't know if he is really that humble, or this is part of his strategy, to shift the pressure to his opponent, "soften" their concentration and then beat them like hell :devil:

while novak is a bit foolish, put aside the respect stuff, you should say this roger is down thing only when you beat him at least 7 out of 10 times, but he only beat roger 2 times, better to back up your talkings with good results :rolleyes:


I like nadal's way better

oh i'm playing against the greatest player ever...
records aren't important
blah blah

he goes for the draw-apponent-into-a-sense-of-security-&-underplay-your own-skill-than-beat-the-shit-out-of-them-strategy :p

Forehander
06-20-2008, 02:57 AM
this guy's such a dope lol

Forehander
06-20-2008, 02:59 AM
I guess it simply means if Federer wins this Wimbledon he's the greatest of all time on grass or some crap.

zqloy
06-20-2008, 04:29 AM
Ok stand corrected, maybe im not actually really interested in moon balling.

but anyways,

here's nole and rafa- highest accomplishments in each slam
Rafa Nole
AO- Semis Champion
RG- Champion Semis
WB- Finalist Semis
US- Quarter Finalist

And your claiming rafa is more of an all surface than Nole? Nole just started in 2007? Rafa has been trying since 2005 when he was a legit number 2.

Didnt matter. Djoko is still his bitch :wavey:

Fumus
06-20-2008, 04:30 AM
Good post. I'm not fan of Nadal o Nole, but The Serbian has done on hardcourts these last ywo years more than Rafa ever has :shrug:

Djokovic is a much more accomplished player on hard court! For that matter, I guess Thomas Johansson is too! :)

ASP0315
06-20-2008, 04:52 AM
Who cares what Djokovic got to say.

exactly. these kind of things are common. He wan'ts some attention. i understand that.
But i don't really care about these comments. They don't really bother me
Nadal and Federer will do thier jobs and ignore what djoker has to say. ;)

littleash
06-20-2008, 05:52 AM
he's so annoying. i was pleased he cried after he lost to nadal in 3 straight sets in FO.

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 06:34 AM
Blah, blah, blah...pure guy from lone mountain, retard, moron, idiot (what else is on repertoar?)...

Johnny Groove
06-20-2008, 06:35 AM
Blah, blah, blah...pure guy from lone mountain, retard, moron, idiot (what else is on repertoar?)...

Repetoire :yeah: ;)

BIGMARAT
06-20-2008, 07:01 AM
Cause the djoker has 4 slams :rolleyes:

All on clay!

BIGMARAT
06-20-2008, 07:03 AM
Djokovic is a much more accomplished player on hard court! For that matter, I guess Thomas Johansson is too! :)

You can say that! Johansson won a slam in hard court.

bokehlicious
06-20-2008, 08:16 AM
Repetoire :yeah: ;)

Répertoire :yeah: :angel: ;)

The Pro
06-20-2008, 09:48 AM
:bs:

remember his reactions to the Aussie fans after the Semi and Final this year?

he just couldnt wait to 'try' and make them feel guilty for not supporting him in those matches - as if it were some crime being commited against him

pretty much the first thing he wanted to make clear in his on court interviews rather than enjoying his victories/anything else.

Yeah, such a lame guy Nole. 'I still love you guys'. While the aussies are like 'who the fuck is this boy???'

KitinovRules
06-20-2008, 09:55 AM
Well , we have had almost the same statements by the Faker after AO, how Fed is shaky and Fed is not going to beat him anymore .
But then Monte Carlo came, and ......

we all know what happened.

dylan24
06-20-2008, 10:17 AM
fed/joker on same side of wimbledon draw.
fed is going to fuck him up in SF

Petrovic
06-20-2008, 10:37 AM
If only Nadal have the balls to say something to Fed.
But he is scared to say anything that is why he will stay no 2 forever.

bokehlicious
06-20-2008, 10:39 AM
If only Nadal have the balls to say something to Fed.

Acting like a brat surely takes huge balls... :rolleyes: :retard:

Tnn74
06-20-2008, 10:48 AM
If only Nadal have the balls to say something to Fed.
But he is scared to say anything that is why he will stay no 2 forever.

:spit: :haha:
Nadal does all the talking on court when he plays Federer...
not talk, talk, talk, and then retires from a sore throat! :lol:

Mimi
06-20-2008, 11:02 AM
nadal is just humble, respectful and smart, he may not have the balls to say negative things about roger, but he has the most important balls on court: beat him with his racket and not his mouth :rolleyes:
If only Nadal have the balls to say something to Fed.
But he is scared to say anything that is why he will stay no 2 forever.

T2KN
06-20-2008, 11:05 AM
but he has the most important balls on court: beat him with his racket and not his mouth

Word.

MrChopin
06-20-2008, 11:08 AM
If only Nadal have the balls to say something to Fed.
But he is scared to say anything that is why he will stay no 2 forever.

Puuuhhhh-lease. Nadal has the rocks of a monster. He's soft spoken and respectful, but when it comes to the trenches, Nadal owns Injurvic.

T2KN
06-20-2008, 11:13 AM
Another thing: he isn't 'scared to say anything', but he just feels a tremendous amount of respect for Federer; he even apologized for the RG final bc he beat him in such a way. I can only applaud that kind of attitude. Djokovic's on the other hand...

MaryX
06-20-2008, 12:31 PM
he even apologized for the RG final bc he beat him in such a way

And you think that was something to be proud of?

I thought that was one of the most surprising and :rolleyes: things he's ever done.Why didn't he let him win instead of apologizing for playing tennis without mercy?Or at least give him one or two games more out of respect :rolleyes: ?Do you think Federer felt any better after those "kind" words or maybe more frustrated?

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 01:51 PM
Répertoire :yeah: :angel: ;)

I know. Repertoar sounds better (coz it's Serbian);)

sanshisan
06-20-2008, 04:09 PM
Another thing: he isn't 'scared to say anything', but he just feels a tremendous amount of respect for Federer; he even apologized for the RG final bc he beat him in such a way. I can only applaud that kind of attitude. Djokovic's on the other hand...


blah blah blah. why not go out and play some TENNIS? its a beautiful day. you'll feel much better about your own life then. i guarantee it. :wavey:

T2KN
06-20-2008, 04:53 PM
blah blah blah. why not go out and play some TENNIS? its a beautiful day. you'll feel much better about your own life then. i guarantee it. :wavey:

It's raining here.

And why don't you use capital letters, bb?

Corey Feldman
06-20-2008, 06:39 PM
Nole would be a likeable Serb if he came from the side that produced Manon and Bascule :hug:

nadal4ever
06-20-2008, 06:44 PM
he's so annoying. i was pleased he cried after he lost to nadal in 3 straight sets in FO.

I don't believe it. Nole cried after he lost to Rafa at Roland Garros? Are you for real?:eek:

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 06:54 PM
Yes, he called her and cried on her shoulder. He felt bad, quitte normal reaction.

Bascule
06-20-2008, 07:28 PM
Nole would be a likeable Serb if he came from the side that produced Manon and Bascule :hug:

What a charmer this Mikey!;)

:kiss:

Corey Feldman
06-20-2008, 07:37 PM
hehehheheeeeeee!!!!!

got my kiss, now i'll die happy :kiss:

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 07:38 PM
What a charmer this Mikey!;)

:kiss:

Wow, I didn't see this (Manon melted down). We could try Mikey (I know she'll beats me up now).

xargon
06-20-2008, 08:29 PM
Djokovic just turned 21. This is what Roger was doing at that age after he lost a match.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

xargon
06-20-2008, 08:37 PM
he's so annoying. i was pleased he cried after he lost to nadal in 3 straight sets in FO.

Did he?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

Bascule
06-20-2008, 08:53 PM
Did he?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

:lol:

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 09:42 PM
Did he?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

:lol:

:lol:

Vida
06-20-2008, 10:20 PM
Did he?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

I havent seen this

:lol:

gee, I hope we want see that again ....

NicolasKiefer44
06-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Novak was a fun, funny, charming guy. Now he is an arrogant monster.

elessar
06-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Djokovic just turned 21. This is what Roger was doing at that age after he lost a match.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

He had just turned 20 at that point not 21 :D

MaryX
06-21-2008, 02:42 PM
Now he is an arrogant monster.

You think, tennis monster? :lol: I agree.

He had just turned 20 at that point not 21

:kiss:

luvfedtenis
06-21-2008, 02:50 PM
One of these days Djoker is going to write a cheque with his mouth that his butt cant cash!! Oh wait that already happened AO 06 and Monte Carlo 08 ....hmm wonder if his sore throat is feeling better? I hope so as he is going to be eating a lot of crow after this Wimbledon.

Okonsky
06-21-2008, 02:54 PM
One of these days Djoker is going to write a cheque with his mouth that his butt cant cash!! Oh wait that already happened AO 06 and Monte Carlo 08 ....hmm wonder if his sore throat is feeling better? I hope so as he is going to be eating a lot of crow after this Wimbledon.

Bad day at work?:sad:

elessar
06-21-2008, 03:02 PM
:kiss:
:inlove:

In all seriousness, those repetitive threads are starting to annoy me to no end :( I do think Novak could do with being more diplomatic sometimes but he's the one that goes out there and tries to back up the talk, something he's done relatively well :shrug:

His parents however should take a step back, yes there's nothing wrong in encouraging your son and telling him he's not gonna lose to Federer again, but no need to tell the press about it and sound so smug.

That being said the "Nole is a crappy player/one slam wonder" posts littered all over GM are as ridiculous as the golden slam talk was at the beginning of the year.
But as always with GM you're either a god or a mug, no middle ground :shrug:
One of these days Djoker is going to write a cheque with his mouth that his butt cant cash!! Oh wait that already happened AO 06 and Monte Carlo 08 ....hmm wonder if his sore throat is feeling better? I hope so as he is going to be eating a lot of crow after this Wimbledon.

I love you username :worship:

The Pro
06-21-2008, 03:14 PM
Djokovic just turned 21. This is what Roger was doing at that age after he lost a match.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

Aw poor Rog, he looks so baby faced in that video. And Mirka's hawt! :hearts:

All the Djokotards laughing at him. :rolleyes:

luvfedtenis
06-21-2008, 03:32 PM
No in fact a very good day as I have just secured tickets to Wimbledon opening day to see the Master at work to begin the defence of his Title. When the Djoker has been able to back up his results and defend his points and ranking like the current #1 then he has credibility to talk until then he should just "be quiet ok" and let his racket do the talking.

zeleni
06-21-2008, 03:38 PM
No. 1: Djokovic: ‘I’m getting closer to Nadal!’
More: http://www.novak-djokovic.com/eng/news.php/2008/06/18/djokovic-i-m-getting-closer-to-nadal

No. 2: Struggling Federer vulnerable at Wimbledon
More: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon08/news/story?id=3450862


"getting closer to Nadal" means that Djokovic considers Nadal better player than himself, but he feels like he (Djokovic) is reducing the gap. No?

About "vulnerable Federer" I checked dictionary for "vulnerable":
–adjective
1. capable of or susceptible to being wounded or hurt, as by a weapon: a vulnerable part of the body.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=vulnerable
Obviously, Djokovic believes that Federer is beatable. Or he isn't? :shrug:

I don't see anything offensive or arrogant in these statements. Maybe my English isn't good enough, so please correct me if I am wrong.:)

Iván
06-21-2008, 03:40 PM
Novak djokovic is a much better all surface player than Rafa Nadal.

End of story.

MaryX
06-21-2008, 05:12 PM
:inlove:

In all seriousness, those repetitive threads are starting to annoy me to no end :( I do think Novak could do with being more diplomatic sometimes but he's the one that goes out there and tries to back up the talk, something he's done relatively well :shrug:

His parents however should take a step back, yes there's nothing wrong in encouraging your son and telling him he's not gonna lose to Federer again, but no need to tell the press about it and sound so smug.

That being said the "Nole is a crappy player/one slam wonder" posts littered all over GM are as ridiculous as the golden slam talk was at the beginning of the year.
But as always with GM you're either a god or a mug, no middle ground :shrug:

I love you username :worship:

No, no, in all seriousness I give you :inlove: :) .

About his statements and lack of diplomacy, I agree, but I find them more clumsy this time than arrogant.If you knew our diplomacy ministers everything would of cleared for you.One was Rasputin alike, oldfashion ideas and Russian English :rolleyes: This new one is beaver alike, almost younger than me, mathematician who runs foreign affairs :rolleyes: .Others from our former regime don't wan't to mention.They didn't know Serbian well, I wonder how they communicated with strangers :rolleyes: .I believe using their hands.

Anyway, that was maybe unnecessery digression, but not that we are very good at diplomacy.But, on the other side, Novak is obviously good for tennis, even though I don't like the ammount of hate he gets.He is that different third character capable to bring more passion and draw attention towards himself, his main rivals, and tenis itself.

Johnny Groove
06-21-2008, 05:16 PM
Novak djokovic is a much better all surface player than Rafa Nadal.

End of story.

Your wallet says different

Matt01
06-21-2008, 07:47 PM
One of these days Djoker is going to write a cheque with his mouth that his butt cant cash!! Oh wait that already happened AO 06 and Monte Carlo 08 ....hmm wonder if his sore throat is feeling better? I hope so as he is going to be eating a lot of crow after this Wimbledon.

Bad day at work?:sad:


luvfedtenis: :hug:

star
06-21-2008, 08:26 PM
No, no, in all seriousness I give you :inlove: :) .

Anyway, that was maybe unnecessery digression, but not that we are very good at diplomacy.But, on the other side, Novak is obviously good for tennis, even though I don't like the ammount of hate he gets.He is that different third character capable to bring more passion and draw attention towards himself, his main rivals, and tenis itself.

:yeah:

the cat
06-22-2008, 09:06 PM
Djokovic can be funny and entertaining but he needs to master the fine line between saying something entertaining and annoying people with his comments. In a way it's good that Djokovic is a different tennis personality than your typical tennis player. But he needs to be careful with what he says in regards to other players. Novak can learn to be funny and classy at the same time. I think Marat Safin has been able to pull this off in his career but it's not easy to do. And Andy Roddick to a lesser extent.

l_mac
06-22-2008, 10:47 PM
:inlove:

In all seriousness, those repetitive threads are starting to annoy me to no end :(

Why, because you're not starting them? :scratch:

That being said the "Nole is a crappy player/one slam wonder" posts littered all over GM are as ridiculous as the golden slam talk was at the beginning of the year.


:rolls:

On topic, I think Novak would be better served concentrating on himself and talking himself up (if that's what he wants to do) and not allowing himself to getting drawn into comments where it seems as though he's "dissing" Federer. But I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

Vida
06-22-2008, 11:43 PM
Generally agree with l_mac about what he should do, cause it isn't doing him good for what we've seen so far.

But, there is possibility that he believes Fed is kinda 'fragile' so this talk will have effect. For instance, before their AO clash Djokovic kinda got under his skin and we know how that ended.

Or his attitude is partly result of what Feds been saying about him a while ago, so they both got into some bad talk. We'll see how it all ends up.

BigJohn
06-23-2008, 12:32 AM
Djoko does have a big mouth and he believes his own hype. There is great danger in that.

If you like him, you'll think he is a young talented player who has already achieved quite a bit and who has reasons to be so brash.

If you don't like him, you'll see him as an annoying and arrogant little prick who lacks respect, manners, and results (3-9 facing Nadal, 2-6 facing Federer, far from being equal or close to the big two).

As good a year he had the last 12 months, that was good enough to get him to #3. Now that he has tons of points to defend, we'll get to see what the kid is made of. That will be a lot of pressure.

I'm not sure building up himself the expectations is the way to go.

MIMIC
06-23-2008, 12:44 AM
Djokovic just turned 21. This is what Roger was doing at that age after he lost a match.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

That's funny and sad at the same time. On one hand, it's humorous to see him crying like punk ass bitch, unable to take a loss like a man. On the other, to completely breakdown like that shows you how much fervor and zeal that he has invested in his game; to watch it (his game, that is) disintegrate before his very eyes at the hand of a worthy opponent really crushed him.

If he loses at Wimbledon, he better grow a pair and keep those tears to himself.

But regarding Djokovic, he's just stating the obvious.

Okonsky
06-23-2008, 01:01 AM
(3-9 facing Nadal, 2-6 facing Federer, far from being equal or close to the big two).


I'm not sure building up himself the expectations is the way to go.

As for Nadal - 4 of his deteats are in clay, as for Federer - well, way younger, Federer is in a top (best possible) form for a long time.

But more important is building up expectations in those situations works with him. He is much more confident if he do that. Hurts noone! 'Annoying and arrogant little prick who lacks respect, manners...' - only cocky which is good.

I am sure whoever said 'Annoying and arrogant little prick who lacks respect, manners...' just can't stand/dislike/hate him for some other reasons. I'm certanly not the best person in the world and not:angel: but I've never say that for nobody. Can't imagine.

l_mac
06-23-2008, 01:17 AM
I am sure whoever said 'Annoying and arrogant little prick who lacks respect, manners...' just can't stand/dislike/hate him for some other reasons. I'm certanly not the best person in the world and not:angel: but I've never say that for nobody. Can't imagine.

:haha:

I wish we had a hypocrite smilie :sad:

Vida
06-23-2008, 01:21 AM
ahem

Knightmace
06-23-2008, 09:21 AM
hut u pNole, I'd liek to see if your predictions are right after Wimbly.

xargon
06-24-2008, 11:13 PM
He had just turned 20 at that point not 21 :D

So what? At age 20 Novak lost US Open final and no one saw him crying like that.

Corey Feldman
06-24-2008, 11:33 PM
Can someone ask Djokovic, Nadal or Roddick what a Wimbledon trophy feels like to touch


oh wait ..

Time Violation
07-09-2008, 10:31 AM
Djokovic, the world No3 from Serbia, watched the final while on holiday in Italy, during which he sent a text to Benito Perez-Barbadillo, his PR manager, who does the same job for Nadal. “I still have a lot to learn,” it read.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4289532.ece

Not sure whether this has been posted already somewhere, sorry if it is. :)

Saumon
07-09-2008, 10:34 AM
Can someone ask Djokovic, Nadal or Roddick what a Wimbledon trophy feels like to touch


oh wait ..

:lol:

Mimi
07-09-2008, 10:38 AM
sorry to disappoint you, rafa already touched the wimby trophy
:yippee::nerner:Can someone ask Djokovic, Nadal or Roddick what a Wimbledon trophy feels like to touch


oh wait ..

A_Skywalker
07-09-2008, 10:41 AM
Can someone ask Djokovic, Nadal or Roddick what a Wimbledon trophy feels like to touch


oh wait ..

I dont know, but I know he bite this trophy, here is a picture.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2008/07/07/utwim600.jpg

Sebby
07-09-2008, 10:52 AM
What a respect for the history of his sport...

He bites that legendary trophy like it was the Sopot's one :rolleyes:

Bibir
07-09-2008, 10:57 AM
I wish we had a hypocrite smilie :sad:
I thought it was that one: :angel:



sorry to disappoint you, rafa already touched the wimby trophy
:yippee::nerner:
Poor mickey :hug:

Mimi
07-09-2008, 11:02 AM
thanks, but how come this sms message could be disclosed :confused:, his manager should keep it confidential, not professional to disclose your client's message to publlic :confused: :mad:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4289532.ece

Not sure whether this has been posted already somewhere, sorry if it is. :)

Okonsky
07-09-2008, 03:21 PM
sorry to disappoint you, rafa already touched the wimby trophy
:yippee::nerner:

Sadly for tennis. He will eat this trophy until sunday.

the cat
07-09-2008, 03:37 PM
sorry to disappoint you, rafa already touched the wimby trophy
:yippee::nerner:
You couldn't resist could you? ;) I don't blame you Mimi. :angel:

Corey Feldman
07-09-2008, 03:41 PM
:lol::lol: Spanish Nadal fan now eh?

it was all Serbia this n that when Nole won AO for you

rocketassist
07-09-2008, 03:57 PM
Fakervic should have been concentrating on his own game instead of spouting off in the media.

If ranking points were awarded for talking about the game rather than actually playing it, he'd be no 1 with about 7500 points.

Okonsky
07-09-2008, 04:13 PM
it was all Serbia this n that when Nole won AO for you

Miki, you know Novak is best ever:worship:

Johnny Groove
07-09-2008, 04:16 PM
Djokovic is trying so hard to still be involved :lol:

No one is talking about him anymore its all Fed-Rafa again, just like it should be :hug:

FedFan_2007
07-09-2008, 04:32 PM
Nole vs Fedal, 5-15. Pathetic.

BigJohn
07-09-2008, 04:47 PM
you know Novak is best ever:worship:

He is the best ever at a couple of things, but tennis is not one of them... ;)

Okonsky
07-09-2008, 05:03 PM
He is the best ever at a couple of things, but tennis is not one of them... ;)

You know...:boxing::armed:

Herdwick
07-09-2008, 05:20 PM
Escude :hug:

Are you feeling any better now? Your posts in the Fed forum have been fair oozing your lifeblood...

Saumon
07-09-2008, 05:25 PM
:lol: Spanish Nadal fan now eh?

it was all Serbia this n that when Nole won AO for you

I've always been a Nadal fan. :)

platinum
07-09-2008, 05:25 PM
Can someone ask Djokovic, Nadal or Roddick what a Wimbledon trophy feels like to touch


oh wait ..

Rafito does now :D

Matt01
07-09-2008, 10:07 PM
Nole vs Fedal, 5-15. Pathetic.


Considering the greatness of Rogi and Rafa, not that bad actually :p

:D