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LinkMage
06-15-2008, 04:36 PM
Congrats to Rafito. :hatoff:


Was this match really played on grass? There were too many breaks of serve. I understand Nadal getting broken since his serve isn't very good. But how in hell did Djokovic have so much trouble holding? Novak's serve is usually very good but today he wasn't winning free points off it.

ASP0315
06-15-2008, 04:36 PM
well done

A_Skywalker
06-15-2008, 04:37 PM
vamosss

Alvarillo
06-15-2008, 04:37 PM
Legend!!!!!!!!!!! :worship:

Allegretto
06-15-2008, 04:37 PM
Superb match.

crude oil
06-15-2008, 04:37 PM
cjoker is more like it

cc2monac
06-15-2008, 04:37 PM
OMG rafa!!! you're so great!!!! I can't believe he won this one in 2 sets!!! well done rafa and congrats!

rocketassist
06-15-2008, 04:38 PM
He wasn't going for it, he seemed content to roll it in a lot.

Great match.

Tom Paulman
06-15-2008, 04:38 PM
What a disgrace.

Djokovic = clown of the month.

kalisita
06-15-2008, 04:38 PM
It was amazing that this was a grass court. Grass is so slow today. I hope Wimby is at least a little faster.

Grunge
06-15-2008, 04:38 PM
Plain and simple, Nadal is just better tennis player than Djokovic ;)

Benny_Maths
06-15-2008, 04:39 PM
Congrats. Is this Nadal's first grass title?

Wolbo
06-15-2008, 04:40 PM
Had the pleasure to watch both Federer-Kohlschreiber and Nadal-Djokivic this afternoon and as much as I respect and admire the great champion that is Federer I do believe he is now surpassed by both Djokovic and Nadal. What a great match those two played. Nadal must now be considered the favorite to win Wimby.

TheBoiledEgg
06-15-2008, 04:41 PM
two grass court mugs playing :lol:

one out-mugged the other

KitinovRules
06-15-2008, 04:42 PM
Dedicated to Xelena-Srmdena, ASSCule, Aloimeh, Farenhait.......
Oh, oh not to Farenheit , she will vanish for couple of days from MTF, just to came back in the 1rd of Wimbledon ,and then vanish again in two days, since some new big server will kick the Faker's ass there.

Oh, and BTW, I think that Faker is becoming Rafa's bitch lately. I won't be surprised if he kicks his ass this summer on a Hard Courts all over North America.

arm
06-15-2008, 04:42 PM
:bigcry: This time I'm really disappointed, Nole. Not with you :hug::inlove:, just with the result.. :sad:

Anyway, good match.

Avid Merrion
06-15-2008, 04:42 PM
:bounce::bounce: Vamos Rafa!!! :D
great match, thoroughly enjoyed that.

habibko
06-15-2008, 04:42 PM
yep I predicted a straight sets win for Nadal alright, congratulations Rafa :worship:

what a huge cup btw :haha:

scarecrows
06-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Had the pleasure to watch both Federer-Kohlschreiber and Nadal-Djokivic this afternoon and as much as I respect and admire the great champion that is Federer I do believe he is now surpassed by both Djokovic and Nadal. What a great match those two played. Nadal must now be considered the favorite to win Wimby.

definitely, these 2 players can show the world how tennis on grass should be played :yeah:

Bilbo
06-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Rafa is favourite to win Wimbledon imo

dam0dred
06-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Vamos Rafa!

Sommarsverige
06-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Big congrats to Rafa :hug: :clap2: :clap2:

l_mac
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
:eek: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Björki
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Congrats Rafa :yeah:

Nole :awww:

krystlel
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Great match, both players were playing at a ridiculous level and there were a number of tremendous rallies as a result. I think after today both showed that there is a big step up in level between them (along with Federer) and the rest of the field.

Sommarsverige
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Big congrats to Rafa :hug: :clap2:

Deivid23
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Rafa you´re a legend :yeah:

kalisita
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Rafa is favourite to win Wimbledon imo

Especially if Wimby is slower than Queens. I did like the match but then when I think that you can know play like that on grass it makes me a little sad.

morningglory
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
amazing! I was wrong :bowdown:
Had no idea the match would be so high-quality!
So many twists and turns... Djoko 3-0 bp 1st set... 6-7...
Nadal up 2-0... back on serve... broken... Djoko serving to even it 5-4.... broken...
7-5

EPIC!

Not much difference between them but the mental strength of Nadal proved to be decisive!

RogandyFan
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Two sets only and the faker already looked mentally fatigued :wavey: :wavey:. Lets pull up the thread where we all laugh.

Deivid23
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
First Spaniard to win a grass title in 36 years :worship:

MaryX
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Fantastic result for Rafa, Novak couldn't hold any chance he previously worked hard for...Rafa won very important mental victory over Djokovic and I think Novak is more frustrated than he was after RG semi.

It is clear now that Rafa is the second favourite to win Wimbledon, and it wouldn't surprise me if he does.

feuselino
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
If you play only two sets and it takes you more than 2:15h you're not playing proper grass tennis, if you ask me... but well done, Nadal!

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Well, I haven't seen the whole match, but what I saw was highly entertaining.
Both had their chances, but it's just so hard to get past Nadal.

Congradulations to Rafa, superb defense as always and incredible mental strength. :)

Better luck next time Nole. Played a good match yourself. :worship:

Monteque
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Congrats to Rafito. :hatoff:


Was this match really played on grass? There were too many breaks of serve. I understand Nadal getting broken since his serve isn't very good. But how in hell did Djokovic have so much trouble holding? Novak's serve is usually very good but today he wasn't winning free points off it.

linkmage=match result thread specialist. :o

try some new ideas dude!

GuiroNl
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Fantastic win for Nadal.

Where are all the people now saying that Djokovic would beat Nadal on any surface but clay :haha:

Xristos
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Rafa you fucken champion!

rocketassist
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Enthralling contest, great tennis and both men did a great job.

Props to Nadal, first man ever to go to grass a week after RG and win Queens.

RoyBatty
06-15-2008, 04:45 PM
amazing tennis.
like to watch Nadal. beautiful tennis & positive mind usualy, never throw racket.

JediFed
06-15-2008, 04:46 PM
Why is Federer no longer the favourite?

He's playing as well on Grass as he's ever played.

Congrats to Nadal. He puts MORE distance between him and Djerk for number 2.

miura
06-15-2008, 04:46 PM
Nadal is so much better than the Faker even though I don't think Rafa can beat Roger if Roger plays his best.

Neely
06-15-2008, 04:46 PM
Incredible match by both players and one of the best 3set matches so far this season. Simply amazing shots and rallies by both players. Djokovic missed chances in the tiebreaker and in the 2nd set to win, but Nadal showed such a high intensity, big congrats to him for his grass title! :worship:

Nadal is the first Spaniard since 1972 to win a title on grass!!!


Spaniards making the finals or winning titles on grass:

Australian Chps 1968, William Bowrey def. Juan Gisbert Sr (ESP) 7-5 2-6 9-7 6-4
Australian Open 1969, Rod Laver def. Andres Gimeno (ESP) 6-3 6-4 7-5
Eastbourne 1972, Andres Gimeno (ESP) def. Pierra Barthes 7-5 6-3
Wimbledon 2006, Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3
Wimbledon 2007, Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(3) 2-6 6-2


Challengers:
Manchester 1997, Oscar Burrieza (ESP) def. Stefano Pescosolido 7-6 2-6 6-1
Notthingham 2006, Ivan Navarro (ESP) def. Antony Dupuis 6-4 7-5


Unbelievable weeks for Nadal. Coming from French Open and then winning the next week on grass. Even Djokovic mentioned this that it is amazing.

Bibberz
06-15-2008, 04:46 PM
I didn't think I'd be using this so soon after RG:

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj60/bachelordandy/DjokoControl-1.png

(Special thanks to Elessar for the "Big Mouth" bit.)

Yves.
06-15-2008, 04:47 PM
17th straight match win since Hamburg.

screaminhead
06-15-2008, 04:47 PM
Rafa played better yesterday against Roddick, i think. Nevertheless, you made my day! :dance:

TheBoiledEgg
06-15-2008, 04:48 PM
this grass is so much like clay :o :o

rafa_maniac
06-15-2008, 04:48 PM
:woohoo:

Rafa beats Karlovic, Roddick and now Djokovic in a row, in best of three sets, on fast grass! The definite #2 on this surface now it has to be said. His first grass title, and first off clay in over 14 months, and he now takes a 17 match win streak into Wimbledon. What a 21st birthday present for me! :D Now win that Wimbledon title baby...:angel:

wally1
06-15-2008, 04:48 PM
Superb match this one.

rofe
06-15-2008, 04:48 PM
Karlovic took a set off Nadal - something Djokovic can't claim.

:haha: :haha:

Serves him right for playing a clay game on grass - he played right into Nadal's hands.

Novak didn't come into the net, didn't flatten his shots as much as he needed to and did not use the short angle CC FH to open up the court. Using topspin most of the time and staying at the back of the court is not going to cut it against Nadal.

lisaplenske
06-15-2008, 04:48 PM
congrats nadal for his great week and his great improvments on grass,he's really impressive:hatoff:

zeleni
06-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Congrats Nadal. Too good. :)

Nole was close, but not enough for Rafa these days...
He will be better next time, hopefully in Wimbledon finals. :)

MacTheKnife
06-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Congrats to Rafito. :hatoff:


Was this match really played on grass? There were too many breaks of serve. I understand Nadal getting broken since his serve isn't very good. But how in hell did Djokovic have so much trouble holding? Novak's serve is usually very good but today he wasn't winning free points off it.

I now know how to pronounce his name, Dchokeavic.. He could not get 1st serves in on the pressure games/points. That's how. It was a pathetic serving performance when he needed the game.. He served at 3-1 in the first, 1 1st serve in, he served for the 2nd set at 5-4, again, 1 1st serve in. just pathetic under pressure..

Sunset of Age
06-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Congrats Rafa on your first Grass Title! :hatoff: :hug:

Fantastic job. If he doesn't meet some on-fire hardhitter/Big Server in the first few rounds, he's surely a lock-in for the final in Wimbly. Too bad I won't make as many cash with this prediction now as I made last year :D.

Judging on how this match went I don't see Djoko being a trouble to either Rafa or Fed in Wimbly - he seemed out of breath halfway through that second set already - how he is to manage a best-of-five against the REAL no.1 or no.2 (;)) is beyond my imagination.

hiperborejac
06-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Great match! Mental battle and Nadal won it. Huge confidence. Nole struggled in important moments - bad serving. And some stupid volleys :o

LinkMage
06-15-2008, 04:49 PM
linkmage=match result thread specialist. :o

try some new ideas dude!



You could try making them yourself if you don't like it. Or don't post on them and avoid them. :wavey:

Corey Feldman
06-15-2008, 04:50 PM
Too many mental blips by Nole here

throw in a few miracle shots that Nadal always seems to make and it turned an easy 2 set win for Nole into a 2 set loss

but good to watch and here's hoping its a Wimbledon SEMI FINAL as well ;)

brief
06-15-2008, 04:50 PM
This is fast becoming my favorite matchup. Amazing stuff from both players.

shotgun
06-15-2008, 04:50 PM
The Federer-Nadal final at Wimbledon will be a 50-50 match IMO.

luie
06-15-2008, 04:50 PM
Yess Novak shown that NADAL is boss.

Grunge
06-15-2008, 04:51 PM
Fantastic result for Rafa, Novak couldn't hold any chance he previously worked hard for...Rafa won very important mental victory over Djokovic and I think Novak is more frustrated than he was after RG semi.



Exactly. This could be most important victory over Djokovic for Nadal. I think this will break Nole mentaly for future matches against Rafa. Some kind of mental struggle that Roger already have when playing Nadal...

Monteque
06-15-2008, 04:51 PM
You could try making them yourself if you don't like it. Or don't post on them and avoid them. :wavey:

do you always wait exactly until every match's done? then prepare the thread? what kind of life do you have?? omg

scoobs
06-15-2008, 04:51 PM
Superb contest.

Vamos Rafa! So pleased he won it this week.

Rest now - we want you fresh for Wimbers! :)

Branimir
06-15-2008, 04:52 PM
Right now, Nadal is better tennis player than Djokovic. He beats him in slowest and fastest surface there is in very short time. Djokovic movement on grass: :help:

Clay Death
06-15-2008, 04:52 PM
Yess Novak shown that NADAL is boss.

the lesson is clear here:

if you get on the court and see that it is the Clay Monster who is across the net, just pray for death.

RogandyFan
06-15-2008, 04:52 PM
Karlovic took a set off Nadal - something Djokovic can't claim.

:haha: :haha:

Serves him right for playing a clay game on grass - he played right into Nadal's hands.

Novak didn't come into the net, didn't flatten his shots as much as he needed to and did not use the short angle CC FH to open up the court. Using topspin most of the time and staying at the back of the court is not going to cut it against Nadal.

Nole coming to net with those awful volley skills will be suicidal. I am surprised he didn't use the drop shots more although Rafa is playing closer to the baseline now.

Corey Feldman
06-15-2008, 04:52 PM
this grass is so much like clay :o :oYep, slow and high bouncing everywhere

shoulda seen the re run of Sampras-Henman 99 final yesterday .. was like a ping pong table they were on

cobalt60
06-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Nice match BUT what ever happened to net play? And does not Wimbly's grass play slower?
:hatoff: to both guys.
Oh now I can get some work done;)

superboy2006
06-15-2008, 04:53 PM
What a FABULOUS MARVELOUS SPLENDID ACHIVEMENT!!!!

RAFAEL NADAL IS VERITABLE AVATAR OF SPORTSMEN!!!

What a striving for victory! Unbelievable.....BRAVO:worship::worship::worship:

RogandyFan
06-15-2008, 04:54 PM
the lesson is clear here:

if you get on the court and see that it is the Clay Monster who is across the net, just pray for death.

That is a quick change of tone. Didn't you predict Nadal's doom before the clay season starts and agitate all his fans?

ASP0315
06-15-2008, 04:54 PM
Nadal is simply too good. The way he played those passing shots are great.

even karlovic managed to volley better than djoker. :lol: :lol:

Vanjezi
06-15-2008, 04:55 PM
Stupid net play by Djokovic

KitinovRules
06-15-2008, 04:55 PM
Karlovic took a set off Nadal - something Djokovic can't claim.

:haha: :haha:
.

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

q.j.
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Give Piggy Wimby now

Federer is incredible on grass, but looking at his mental level (lack of) this year
and especially if he's playing Nadal, there is no chance he is winning sixth in a row
as for Ian Curtis if anything this match shows how Piggy totally owns him menatally
and there's no way he's recovering fast enough for Wimby.
He played incedible today but on big points, he was ***** by this clay freak.

RedFury
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Rafa you´re a legend :yeah:

Vamos Daivid...que te quiero oír decir eso mismo antes de cada vez que juegue con el Joker!

;)

Ole tu Madre, Rafa!

HeiwaDream
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Congrats Rafa , fantastic victory! That was really a great match , Nadal and Djokovic has a great rivalry now. I hope this first title on grass will give him all to win Wimbledon this year.

kalisita
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Right now, Nadal is better tennis player than Djokovic. He beats him in slowest and fastest surface there is in very short time. Djokovic movement on grass: :help:

That's why grass is the equal surface between them. Djokovic can't move as well on grass as he can on not only hard court but clay. His movement is based on changing directions fast and you slip more on grass doing that, imo.

LinkMage
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
do you always wait exactly until every match's done? then prepare the thread? what kind of life do you have?? omg



You sound bitter. :awww: :baby:

luie
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Congrats Rafa on your first Grass Title! :hatoff: :hug:

Fantastic job. If he doesn't meet some on-fire hardhitter/Big Server in the first few rounds, he's surely a lock-in for the final in Wimbly. Too bad I won't make as many cash with this prediction now as I made last year :D.

Judging on how this match went I don't see Djoko being a trouble to either Rafa or Fed in Wimbly - he seemed out of breath halfway through that second set already - how he is to manage a best-of-five is beyond my imagination.
Novak lacks fitness he only won the AO because its the first slam of the year & he was fresh coupled with the fact that FEDERER was hospitalized before the tourny with no practice tourny....
This NOVAK is highly overated,,,when he faces a FULL FORCE fed or nadal he crumbles.

Naide
06-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Bamos ?

Branimir
06-15-2008, 04:57 PM
Yeah. Djokovic on the net was just horrible. Anyway, better luck in the future Nole.

Clay Death
06-15-2008, 04:57 PM
Nole coming to net with those awful volley skills will be suicidal. I am surprised he didn't use the drop shots more although Rafa is playing closer to the baseline now.


negative. its the Clay Monster`s will that won him that match. he was down but just willed himself this match.

he didnt serve all that well but still got it done in straight sets.

the moral of the story is clear here:

He is the absolute master of conducting death ceremonies. just pray for death.

~Maya~
06-15-2008, 04:57 PM
Good stuff from both. Well done Rafa:clap2:
Better luck next time Nole :hug:

arm
06-15-2008, 04:57 PM
You missed the good part.
Faker is to be crowned as n.1 bitch of Rafa.

Just shut up, ok?

Nadal won. Congraulations to him. So here we are, Nole fans, saying:

"We are sad, Nadal played better." Isn't it enough for you? Or you're just pissed of because you won't be able to call us cowards for not showing up when Nole loses?

We need some support here! :hug:

BigJohn
06-15-2008, 04:57 PM
Adje Nadal! :p

T2KN
06-15-2008, 04:57 PM
the lesson is clear here:

if you get on the court and see that it is the Clay Monster who is across the net, just pray for death.

Haha. True that.

Nole got owned BUT in a very entertaining, good match. Rafa... :worship:

Leopold Stotch
06-15-2008, 04:58 PM
Noticeably below par serving from Novak today and still the Hispanic struggled to beat him. What is everyone so happy about precisely ?

Mansave_75
06-15-2008, 04:58 PM
Congrats Rafa!!!! You made my day.
This is something never seen before, what achivement, coming from winning the French, we are just infront of a tennis legend.
Now Rafa let's go for the Wimby title.
We simply love you. :)

Sunset of Age
06-15-2008, 04:58 PM
Nice match BUT what ever happened to net play? And does not Wimbly's grass play slower?
:hatoff: to both guys.
Oh now I can get some work done;)

Yes, it seems Wimbly's grass playes even slower - one of the reasons Roger rather playes Halle, as the Halle grass resembles Wimbly's more than Queen's'. ;)

Indeed, barely any net-play, even on a so-called fast surface. Hopefully all other players have taken notice of this...

shotgun
06-15-2008, 04:59 PM
Djokovic will have a supporting role at Wimbledon. Maybe he should just skip it and get ready for the US hardcourt summer.

cmurray
06-15-2008, 04:59 PM
the lesson is clear here:

if you get on the court and see that it is the Clay Monster who is across the net, just pray for death.

:rolleyes: Good Lord. Can you be for real?

That was...a little unbelievable? Nadal just beat Karlovic, Roddick AND Djokovic on the grass of Queens Club. Wow, Rafa. Just...wow.

Stefanos13
06-15-2008, 05:00 PM
This was one of the best matches of the year; and the second time delivered by these two – matching if not surpassing their contest in Hamburg.

It would've be so great if for once (at least in this thread) posters who call these players 'mugs' showed some respect to their effort and the tennis spectacle they offered today – which is the reason why we are all in this forum.

Really glad that Nadal won; congratulations to both

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Why is Federer no longer the favourite?

He's playing as well on Grass as he's ever played.

Congrats to Nadal. He puts MORE distance between him and Djerk for number 2.

Not that much more distance, because they both gained points. Nadal is now 395 points ahead instead of 360, which is still very close. But what's scary is that Federer did nothing but gain in Halle since he didn't play last year. That puts him at 6900, I think.

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Great achievement for Nadal indeed. :)

Lee
06-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Excellent match. Nadal played important points much better than Novak. Congratulate Nadal for his grass court championship. :yeah:

Petrovic
06-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Congratulations Rafa !
Joker does not move right on grass !
He need to stand on solid ground to make strong hitting !

Joker did not return well, his serve was not good, he was using wrong tactics today.
Joker should not go in the net, Rafa is killing him there !

Overall Rafa deserves win and he might take Fed on grass.
Rafa have improved serve so much and on grass that makes big difference !

Joker can play better then this i know that.
3-0 up in first set and break point for 4-0.
Second set serves for the set !

Just wrong tactics from Joker .

krystlel
06-15-2008, 05:00 PM
The lack of net play made it seem like a slight variation of a hardcourt match, rather than a surface that requires a completely different skill.

I agree that grass is the most neutral surface in the Nadal-Djokovic matchup and leading up to this match, both had similar chances of winning.

Bascule
06-15-2008, 05:01 PM
Nadal was just more determinated in the most important moments, when Novak failed.
Rafa has the unique opportunity now for Wimbledon...to use the moment and the superb form he has right now.

RogiRafaFan86
06-15-2008, 05:02 PM
Well this week just further proved something I already knew about myself - I suck at predictions. He didn't lose in the QF's, the Semis, or the Final. I'm not going to question it, I'm just gonna go with it and predict that Rafa will lose every match for the remainder of the season. Why the hell not?

Seriously, though, congrats Rafa! He deserved that grass court title, and if he never wins Wimbledon, at least he got one championship trophy on grass.

luie
06-15-2008, 05:02 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha:
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha::haha:

Aenea
06-15-2008, 05:03 PM
Rafa :worship: :clap2:

Congratulations on your first grass-court title!! :bigclap:

Great achievement winning Queen's straight after winning FO!! :worship: You improved your game tremendously.

Good luck at Wimbledon!

Sunset of Age
06-15-2008, 05:03 PM
Not that much more distance, because they both gained points. Nadal is now 395 points ahead instead of 360, which is still very close. But what's scary is that Federer did nothing but gain in Halle since he didn't play last year. That puts him at 6900, I think.

I don't know if that's 'scary' as you put it. Fed took a big risk last year not to play Halle, as it's been his major preparation for Wimbly for all the years before, and he as such lost his points there last year. Well, he's got them back now. :D

I am very happy to see both Raf and Fed gaining points this week. The bigger the distance with No.3, the better it is. ;)

Jade Fox
06-15-2008, 05:03 PM
This was one of the best matches of the year; and the second time delivered by these two – matching if not surpassing their contest in Hamburg.

It would've be so great if for once (at least in this thread) posters who call these players 'mugs' showed some respect to their effort and the tennis spectacle they offered today – which is the reason why we are all in this forum.

Really glad that Nadal won; congratulations to both

I agree. Both men played their asses off and I appreciate that very much.

Rafa was mentally tougher when it mattered so congrats to him. If Nole can improve his fitness, this rivalry could be an interesting one.

Rafalover15
06-15-2008, 05:04 PM
The lack of net play does not effect the quality of this game

Loved the match entertaining and exciting

Well done to both players:worship:
Nadal :rocker2:

chewy
06-15-2008, 05:04 PM
Congrats Rafa, winning a grass court title straight after crowning champion at RG! :yeah:

Really justified his ranking and status.

adee-gee
06-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Well done Rafa :clap2: important win to keep the mental edge over Federer and Nole.

Haven't seen the match so I can't comment, expected "grass is so slow" bullshit in this thread :zzz:

groundstroke
06-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Djokovic blew it. He should have won. Did anyone see his forehand winner at 5-5? Must have been 100 mph at least? :o

l_mac
06-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Noticeably below par serving from Novak today and still the Hispanic struggled to beat him. What is everyone so happy about precisely ?

Rubbish. Nole served 82% 1st serves in the first set and was 77% for the match overall.

Rafa was at 61% which is extremely low for him. He had a poor serving day and still won.

I think total fans of either player will struggle to see that as a great match. I found it too stressful to enjoy. Rafa's stupid serving did not help. Great fight from him to pull out the 1st set.

He had all the momentum and an early break in the 2nd, but let Nole back into it. I thought rafa played much better in the 2nd set than the first, but again he annoyed me by failing to take his bp chances when Nole was serving at 3-4. Then Nole broke the next game :mad: But Rafa was strong enough mentally to break back, and when he help serve for 6-5 I was pretty sure he would break to win. I thought he returned well today.

Novak looked very down after the match.

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Could someone tell me what their speeches were like? I couldn't watch.

Thanks. :wavey:

rofe
06-15-2008, 05:06 PM
Nole coming to net with those awful volley skills will be suicidal. I am surprised he didn't use the drop shots more although Rafa is playing closer to the baseline now.

He had Nadal on a yoyo quite a few times and didn't come into the net to finish the point off. He has enough volleying skills to do that.

Novak's serve also had little penetration though that could be due to better anticipation from Nadal.

Nadal played a better grass game than Novak. Novak didn't even play an HC game - he played a clay game on grass.

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:06 PM
I agree. Both men played their asses off and I appreciate that very much.

Rafa was mentally tougher when it mattered so congrats to him. If Nole can improve his fitness, this rivalry could be an interesting one.

Djokovic should be able to since he's only 21. Most male athletes don't peak until they're like 23. People forget that Nadal is a freak of nature ;) and shouldn't have been so freaking strong at like 16, 18, etc.

cherry@cupcake
06-15-2008, 05:06 PM
Woo! And indeed, hoo!

Well done, Rafa! A great win... here's hoping he gets a good rest back home and then comes back and does as well at Wimbly. :worship: From all the UK coverage over here - and not just Andrew Castle's embarrassingly effusive praise of Nadal's biceps - he seems to have caught the media's imagination.


Yes, it seems Wimbly's grass playes even slower - one of the reasons Roger rather playes Halle, as the Halle grass resembles Wimbly's more than Queen's'. ;)

Indeed, barely any net-play, even on a so-called fast surface. Hopefully all other players have taken notice of this...

:haha: Your avvy!

HarryMan
06-15-2008, 05:06 PM
Wow, what a match!

Nadal was relentless from the baseline and Djokovic couldn't get many cheap points at all. Nadal today clearly proved that he is the second best player on the grass courts.

If Nadal gets to the final at Wimbledon Federer might be in a bit of a trouble.

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 05:07 PM
Djokovic blew it. He should have won. Did anyone see his forehand winner at 5-5? Must have been 100 mph at least? :o

Now that truly was a fh from hell. :worship:

Hugh Jaas
06-15-2008, 05:08 PM
the lesson is clear here:

if you get on the court and see that it is the Clay Monster who is across the net, just pray for death.

Wise words from the legendary clay Death.


CLAY KING IS NOW THE KING OF QUEENS!!!







RIP BALLET TENNIS, LONG LIVE SPARTA TENNIS. VAMOOS!!!

*bunny*
06-15-2008, 05:08 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Congrats, Rafa! Good fight from Nole too.
What a great final. So many great points from both. :D

Jade Fox
06-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Djokovic should be able to since he's only 21. Most male athletes don't peak until they're like 23. People forget that Nadal is a freak of nature ;) and shouldn't have been so freaking strong at like 16, 18, etc.

Rafa has been the exception to every tennis rule ever written. :lol:

I think Nole's fitness is better than last year but he still has a long way to go. He better hurry up though cause I want to see these two play each other more. :drool:

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Vamos Rafa :worship::worship:
Vamos Nole :worship:

A great match between 2 great champs. They are bringing about a golden age of tennis.

They truly play like a number 1 and number 2 player should.

Branimir
06-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Yeah. Djokovic choked so bad:
Had set point in the first set on his serve, blew it. Served for second set: blew it. It must be said that Nadal played unbelievable at those moments, but Djokovic allowed him to do so, by being afraid to be aggressive and go for his shots. Anyway Nadal started so slow this year, I thought he is gonna struggle, and now he plays in God mode almost. Djokovic backhand dtl just ends up with diagonal backhand from Nadal on which Djokovic didn't have answer.

groundstroke
06-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Now that truly was a fh from hell. :worship:
Jesus Christ he fucked smashed that ball, absolute crumple.

Naide
06-15-2008, 05:10 PM
Adje Nadal! :p

Ajde

Leopold Stotch
06-15-2008, 05:10 PM
Rubbish. Nole served 82% 1st serves in the first set and was 77% for the match overall.
Strength was @ 70% of semi match. BBC commentators not me.

crude oil
06-15-2008, 05:11 PM
im not sure why too many people are really surprised at this result.

nole doesnt it like it when the ball is very low while for nadal it is not a huge problem because of his great whip and wrist strength.

If novak isnt serving well like today in crucial moments, nadal wins.

Anyways...some people really need to stop complanining about what grass tennis should or shouldn't be. This nole-nadal rivalry is developing into something special. They always play tough high intensity matches that always turn into battles. Something federer has failed to do this year against both after getting annhilated on clay and hard.

rafa the best
06-15-2008, 05:11 PM
I'M SOOOOO HAPPY RIGHT NOW

RAFA IS AMAZING, THIS IS A HUGE TITLE FOR HIM, I think he is happier for it than for many Masters Titles he won.

It was a great match, both played so good but Rafa was just unbelieveable on those crucial points like when he saved that set point in the tie break and later when he broke back to 5-5.

All the people thought Novak will win couse this is a fast court, but this is not the same Rafa as last year, not at all.:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:: worship::worship::worship:

Now take some well deserved rest and come back to take Wimbledon.:wavey:

BTW, I love the UK fans, they adore Rafa at Queens.:angel:

luie
06-15-2008, 05:11 PM
The important lesson today is novak is not winning WILBERDON this year...B/c of two reasons FEDERER/NADAL ,,he has to beat these two players on the Back 2 back to take the title something he is not capable off.

MacTheKnife
06-15-2008, 05:11 PM
Rubbish. Nole served 82% 1st serves in the first set and was 77% for the match overall.

Rafa was at 61% which is extremely low for him. He had a poor serving day and still won..

And this shows you exactly why stats mean nothing. On points and games when it really mattered, Jok served like crap. In the first set serving at 3-1, he got in 1 first serve, serving for the 2nd set at 5-4, he again got in 1 first serve. Server %'s basically mean nothing, it's how well you serve on the big points/games that really matter.

Rafa deserved to win the match because he out played Jok overall, BUT Jok really choked on his serve when it counted most...

fran70
06-15-2008, 05:12 PM
Such great match! Congratulations for both players. If I`m not wrong Nadal is the first player to win Roland Garros and the week after a grass court tournament

Sunset of Age
06-15-2008, 05:12 PM
I'M SOOOOO HAPPY RIGHT NOW

RAFA IS AMAZING, THIS IS A HUGE TITLE FOR HIM, I think he is happier for it than for many Masters Titles he won.

Of course. It's his first Grass Title! :D

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 05:12 PM
Jesus Christ he fucked smashed that ball, absolute crumple.

I've never seen him hit a fh like that before. :lol: He was so pissed, bless him. Good stuff.:yeah:

MaryX
06-15-2008, 05:12 PM
The important lesson today is novak is not winning WILBERDON this year...B/c of two reasons FEDERER/NADAL ,,he has to beat these two players on the Back 2 back to take the title something he is not capable off.

I think I agree with you.Very hard task.

RedFury
06-15-2008, 05:12 PM
Noticeably below par serving from Novak today and still the Hispanic struggled to beat him. What is everyone so happy about precisely ?

You read like bitter-beer. Have some more. BTW, Rafa had quite a below average serving match as well. Had HE served as usual the "Yugoslavian" would have been done-in by The Spaniard sooner still.

Fight your own ignorance.

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:13 PM
Strength was @ 70% of semi match. BBC commentators not me.

Yeah, serving strength is not just all percentage in. They seemed soft and only a few aces.

nadal4ever
06-15-2008, 05:13 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha::haha:


Vamos Rafa!!!:rocker::worship::rocker::worship::rocker:

star
06-15-2008, 05:14 PM
It was a fabulous match! :bigclap: :bigclap:

Both players were terrific. Djokovic can take many positives from the match and some good lessons in managing his emotions during a match. I thought the only thing between them was mental, and Nadal was simply better in that department. :worship:

We are in for a treat in the coming years if these two stay healthy.

wilmar
06-15-2008, 05:15 PM
Such great match! Congratulations for both players. If I`m not wrong Nadal is the first player to win Roland Garros and the week after a grass court tournament

That's awesome! Bjorn Bjork never won at Queens?

anyway I'm so happy for Nadal. his confidence has never been higher and it really showed in those crucial moments. just so mentally tough!

he can treat himself to his favourite octopus at the Spanish restaurant in London now!

next goal...Wimbly trophy!

Greenday
06-15-2008, 05:15 PM
Had the pleasure to watch both Federer-Kohlschreiber and Nadal-Djokivic this afternoon and as much as I respect and admire the great champion that is Federer I do believe he is now surpassed by both Djokovic and Nadal. What a great match those two played. Nadal must now be considered the favorite to win Wimby.

You are right!....Nadal is going to win wimby this year without loosing a set!......

Lee
06-15-2008, 05:15 PM
Noticeably below par serving from Novak today and still the Hispanic struggled to beat him. What is everyone so happy about precisely ?

Rubbish. Nole served 82% 1st serves in the first set and was 77% for the match overall.

Rafa was at 61% which is extremely low for him. He had a poor serving day and still won.

I think total fans of either player will struggle to see that as a great match. I found it too stressful to enjoy. Rafa's stupid serving did not help. Great fight from him to pull out the 1st set.

He had all the momentum and an early break in the 2nd, but let Nole back into it. I thought rafa played much better in the 2nd set than the first, but again he annoyed me by failing to take his bp chances when Nole was serving at 3-4. Then Nole broke the next game :mad: But Rafa was strong enough mentally to break back, and when he help serve for 6-5 I was pretty sure he would break to win. I thought he returned well today.

Novak looked very down after the match.

Agree with Linda here. Nadal superb play made Novak looked not so good.

Yeah. Djokovic choked so bad:
Had set point in the first set on his serve, blew it. Served for second set: blew it. It must be said that Nadal played unbelievable at those moments, but Djokovic allowed him to do so, by being afraid to be aggressive and go for his shots. Anyway Nadal started so slow this year, I thought he is gonna struggle, and now he plays in God mode almost. Djokovic backhand dtl just ends up with diagonal backhand from Nadal on which Djokovic didn't have answer.

I won't say Novak choked on the TB set point because it's not fair for Nadal who played a very good point. But he lost serve at 5-4 2nd set, that's mental and physical.

Marc23
06-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Great match!Both had chances but Nadal used them better!

Clay Death
06-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Djokovic blew it. He should have won. Did anyone see his forehand winner at 5-5? Must have been 100 mph at least? :o


you can go and hang your hat on his 100 MPH forehand while the Clay Monster goes home with the title.

Djokovic didnt blow it clown. Clay Monster snatched the match from him. is this the first time you are learning about Nadal`s imperious mental toughness? did i NOT say yesterday that Nadal`s "will" decides this match. well it did.

which sport are you watching anyway? come back when you have learned a thing or 2.

gebl
06-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Rafa you´re a legend :yeah:

absolutely :woohoo: :bounce:

Chris Seahorse
06-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Djokovic blew it. He should have won. Did anyone see his forehand winner at 5-5? Must have been 100 mph at least? :o

Got to be one of the 10 hardest hit goundies from the bassline I have ever seen hit.

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Novak looked very down after the match.

He felt like he should have won it. Obviously he did play more agressive points and shown a better game, but coudn't sustain it

Dan's Racket
06-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Great match
I hope this a preview for the tennis we are going to see at Wimbledon.
Great stuff from Nadal, breaking straight back after being broke to go down 4-5.
I lost my bet on Djokovic to win, but I have gained from watching two great players contest a terrific match.

Hugh Jaas
06-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Got to be one of the 10 hardest hit goundies from the bassline I have ever seen hit.

IS ThaT the only thing novak fans can take away from a straight set killing? a 100mph fh....tools.

Greenday
06-15-2008, 05:19 PM
am just happy tht djerk lost! ...

Goonergal
06-15-2008, 05:20 PM
Rafa :worship:

Awesome final :yeah:

alfonsojose
06-15-2008, 05:20 PM
:o Djokovic hitting huge topspin shots on grass, against Nadal :help: He was so scared :tape:

screaminhead
06-15-2008, 05:20 PM
Rubbish. Nole served 82% 1st serves in the first set and was 77% for the match overall.

Rafa was at 61% which is extremely low for him. He had a poor serving day and still won.

I think total fans of either player will struggle to see that as a great match. I found it too stressful to enjoy. Rafa's stupid serving did not help. Great fight from him to pull out the 1st set.

He had all the momentum and an early break in the 2nd, but let Nole back into it. I thought rafa played much better in the 2nd set than the first, but again he annoyed me by failing to take his bp chances when Nole was serving at 3-4. Then Nole broke the next game :mad: But Rafa was strong enough mentally to break back, and when he help serve for 6-5 I was pretty sure he would break to win. I thought he returned well today.

Novak looked very down after the match.


I felt the same way throughout the match. It all boiled down to who has the positive mental will to win it. Djokovic clearly was dejected after he lost the 1st set. Rafa's game was see-sawing on the 2nd set, he would easily win one game then let Djokovic back in on another. I was actually looking for his serves, forehand and passing shots that were very much present in yesterday's game. But Rafa's determination never left him today, and at the end of the day it mattered big time.

ishiphonehome
06-15-2008, 05:21 PM
amazing match!!!!

Leopold Stotch
06-15-2008, 05:21 PM
You read like bitter-beer. Have some more. BTW, Rafa had quite a below average serving match as well. Had HE served as usual the "Yugoslavian" would have been done-in by The Spaniard sooner still.

Fight your own ignorance.
Enjoy the win with all the other Hispanics around the world. I was merely highlighting an interesting piece of BBC commentatary regarding Novak's serving today.

spriwi
06-15-2008, 05:21 PM
expected :cool:

what an awesome match this was!!! :)

rafa :yeah: awesome mental streght in both sets when it mattered most :D

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 05:22 PM
IS TAHT the only thing novak fans can take away from a straight set killing? a 100mph fh....tools.

It's just a curiosity. Simple commenting on an exceptional shot. But I guess we must not do it because our boy lost..:rolleyes:

Chill for fuck's sake.

Petrovic
06-15-2008, 05:22 PM
am just happy tht djerk lost! ...
Back in the cage !

Jimnik
06-15-2008, 05:23 PM
Great match. Deserved a 3rd set but still probably the greatest final ever at Queens.

shawshank
06-15-2008, 05:24 PM
Amazing Rafa! Absolutely fantastic. Maybe, this is the best moment of your's career, so please win Wimby for us. It would be great. Hope you can do it!
Congrats for all :)

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 05:24 PM
I felt the same way throughout the match. It all boiled down to who has the positive mental will to win it. Djokovic clearly was dejected after he lost the 1st set.

He was already dejected after missing a chance to make it 4-0 in the first set. Nadal won on the end but overall as you say he didn't look good

l_mac
06-15-2008, 05:24 PM
He felt like he should have won it. Obviously he did play more agressive points and shown a better game, but coudn't sustain it

Obviously :lol: :

Actually I think today and the FO have shown that Novak needs to adjust his game more on grass and clay if he wantes to beat the very top players. For all the hammering Nadal takes on this board for being a "just" a claycourter, he makes very noticeable changes to his game for grass.

GuiroNl
06-15-2008, 05:25 PM
And this shows you exactly why stats mean nothing. On points and games when it really mattered, Jok served like crap. In the first set serving at 3-1, he got in 1 first serve, serving for the 2nd set at 5-4, he again got in 1 first serve. Server %'s basically mean nothing, it's how well you serve on the big points/games that really matter.

Rafa deserved to win the match because he out played Jok overall, BUT Jok really choked on his serve when it counted most...


Are you the same guy who said on the BBC 606 forum that Nadal was destroying his opponents at RG because he had a serious foot injury and that he was worried about spending too many hours on court? :spit: :haha:

Yep you are the same guy, same user name. :tape:

Hugh Jaas
06-15-2008, 05:26 PM
a great match for the future number 1 and 2 ranked players. federer still hiding in Germany?

rafa the best
06-15-2008, 05:26 PM
Enjoy the win with all the other Hispanics around the world. I was merely highlighting an interesting piece of BBC commentatary regarding Novak's serving today.

Not just Hispanics, unlike some players:devil: Rafa has fans ALL OVER THE WORLD, including your country and there are many of us celebrating today.:wavey::angel:

star
06-15-2008, 05:27 PM
Got to be one of the 10 hardest hit goundies from the bassline I have ever seen hit.

Every bit of frustration he felt was unleashed in that forehand. :)

But that was one point only and maybe a bit lucky on that shot. There were so many fantastic points and shots and court coverage. Completely enjoyable from start to end. I couldn't have asked for more -- unless both of them could have won.

I loved that point in the second set where Nadal got to a Djokovic volley and placed it for a winner, and Novak's coach clapped. That was a nice thing to see.

Also it seemed to me that this year we are seeing Nadal as a mature tennis player. He's no longer a kid.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-15-2008, 05:28 PM
a great match for the future number 1 and 2 ranked players. federer still hiding in Germany?

:worship:

Federer the pansy cant even show up.

Chris Seahorse
06-15-2008, 05:29 PM
IS ThaT the only thing novak fans can take away from a straight set killing? a 100mph fh....tools.

Actually I was rooting for Nadal and was happy he won. But it was fine match from both players. Nadal's mental toughness always amazes me.

Jumping to conclusions and calling someone a tool for so little. That says a lot about you. It says nothing about me.

Folks like you are a big reason MTF isn't more popular. Do you have any idea how many people you turn off. :shrug:

aeronatasha
06-15-2008, 05:31 PM
I agree, star. That's how I perceived the match.
Good years are coming. :)

cobalt60
06-15-2008, 05:31 PM
Obviously :lol: :

Actually I think today and the FO have shown that Novak needs to adjust his game more on grass and clay if he wantes to beat the very top players. For all the hammering Nadal takes on this board for being a "just" a claycourter, he makes very noticeable changes to his game for grass.

And that is what's impressive over the last 2 years or so for me. Now he needs to learn how to volley :p I had found his game quite boring for my tastes but I enjoyed the Queens matches I saw from him.

Chris Seahorse
06-15-2008, 05:31 PM
Every bit of frustration he felt was unleashed in that forehand. :)

But that was one point only and maybe a bit lucky on that shot. There were so many fantastic points and shots and court coverage. Completely enjoyable from start to end. I couldn't have asked for more -- unless both of them could have won.

I loved that point in the second set where Nadal got to a Djokovic volley and placed it for a winner, and Novak's coach clapped. That was a nice thing to see.

Also it seemed to me that this year we are seeing Nadal as a mature tennis player. He's no longer a kid.

Yup. Agree on every point. Good post. :yeah:

rafa the best
06-15-2008, 05:32 PM
I think Rafa was good at the net today, didn't go there too much but also didn't make mistakes.

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:33 PM
And that is what's impressive over the last 2 years or so for me. Now he needs to learn how to volley :p I had found his game quite boring for my tastes but I enjoyed the Queens matches I saw from him.

No real need to volley on grass anymore.

MacTheKnife
06-15-2008, 05:33 PM
Are you the same guy who said on the BBC 606 forum that Nadal was destroying his opponents at RG because he had a serious foot injury and that he was worried about spending too many hours on court? :spit: :haha:

Yep you are the same guy, same user name. :tape:

No, I am not the same guy. I have never been on that forum.. Don't know where you got that idea, but if there's another MacTheKnife over there, I assure you, it is NOT me..

P.S. - If you want send me a PM and I'll tell you where I'm from. I had no clue there was another MacTheKnife out there, scary.. Thought it was pretty original. That's what Bud Collins used to call McEnroe... So who ever this other guy is, he must be as old as me..

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 05:34 PM
:worship:

Federer the pansy cant even show up.

It's Nadal who ran away from Halle, not Federer from Queens. No wonder since the first (and last) time he played there, he lost in 1st round to Alexander Waske, ranekd below 400. Uncle Tony must have suggested him playing there in future won't be good for his confidence
Halle grass is faster than Queens and seems to play similar as Wimbledon did before they slowed it down

juninhOH
06-15-2008, 05:34 PM
a great match for the future number 1 and 2 ranked players. federer still hiding in Germany?

yes, like in 4 of the past 5 years. we all know what happens the week after the hiding.

lurker
06-15-2008, 05:34 PM
Well, I had thought this would be a nail biter and it sure was. Nadal's just too tough mentally. Djokovic seemed to play slightly better tennis throughout set 1, he led the whole way, even had set point, until Nadal had his first set point in the tiebreaker and took it. That's mental fortitude right there. Unbelievable.

Then Djokovic served for the second set having just broken Nadal at love. And still he was denied. Djokovic has the tennis goods but just couldn't put it all together at the right time, whereas Nadal gathered all his strengths and harnessed all his weakness to win. It seemed like the match could have been in Djokovic's hands the whole time, and yet...

star
06-15-2008, 05:35 PM
Enjoy the win with all the other Hispanics around the world. I was merely highlighting an interesting piece of BBC commentatary regarding Novak's serving today.

That's a bit insulting, I think. I know you didn't really deserve the remarks you got about your previous post, but this post sort of marginalizes Nadal's hispanic fans. Nadal is a fantastic player with an engaging personality. There are many reasons to support him other than him being from Spain. I think Nadal has had fans from all countries and ethnic backgrounds ever since he first began playing.

zicofirol
06-15-2008, 05:36 PM
horrendous grass match, its fucking ridiculous that someone can win on grass playing 20 ft behind the baseline...

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 05:39 PM
What can I say about Rafael Nadal? All superlatives are meaningless in describing him. Coming from Roland Garros clay, and beating Karlovic, Roddick and now Djokovic, is really, really amazing. I am so, so, so happy today. Congratulations Rafa, as I always say, you are simply, THE BEST. Vamos Rafa y Viva Espana!

cobalt60
06-15-2008, 05:40 PM
No real need to volley on grass anymore.

Well if we do see a Nadal vs Fed in the Wimbly final he had better learn;)

star
06-15-2008, 05:40 PM
It's Nadal who ran away from Halle, not Federer from Queens. No wonder since the first (and last) time he played there, he lost in 1st round to Alexander Waske, ranekd below 400. Uncle Tony must have suggested him playing there in future won't be good for his confidence
Halle grass is faster than Queens and seems to play similar as Wimbledon did before they slowed it down

There's been a difference between Queens and Wimbledon for quite a few years now. Federer says he plays at Halle because it's more similar to Wimbledon.

And please give up the stupid argument that anyone is running from anybody else. Federer gets money to play at Halle, and probably Nadal does also at Queens. It's just that Queens attracts a deeper field than does Halle. Halle is probably like a mini-vacation for Federer before Wimbledon. Quiet and speaking his native language, It's probably quite relaxing for him.

rofe
06-15-2008, 05:41 PM
horrendous grass match, its fucking ridiculous that someone can win on grass playing 20 ft behind the baseline...

:yeah:

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 05:41 PM
horrendous grass match, its fucking ridiculous that someone can win on grass playing 20 ft behind the baseline...

I would second this. The whole week I am wondering that Nadal can play more or less his standard game on supposedly "very different" grass surface. And in Wimbledon 2007 he could do this even more!

NYCtennisfan
06-15-2008, 05:42 PM
I was surprised that Djoko decided to play the match that way. I really think that he thought he could run Nadal into the ground like he did at IW this year, but Nadal seemed to be quicker to the ball and always seem to send back shots from crazy positions. Nadal seemed to read Djoko's serve better as well, just like he did Federer's in the Wimby finals last year. If they do meet up at Wimby, I expect Djoko to play differently.

As for Nadal, I think he should try to go for more of the flat serves down the T on the AD court and out wide on the deuce court. He's playing with so much confidence with the FH that even if his first serve % dips, he can control the points against most anyone with his first FH.

KitinovRules
06-15-2008, 05:43 PM
No real need to volley on grass anymore.
Unfortunately, that is the case.

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:43 PM
Well if we do see a Nadal vs Fed in the Wimbly final he had better learn;)

Did anyone here watch Halle final and see if Fed served and volleyed?

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 05:43 PM
horrendous grass match, its fucking ridiculous that someone can win on grass playing 20 ft behind the baseline...

I don't think you watched the match because if you did you would have seen Rafa didn't stand 20 ft behind the baseline. All your negative posts against Rafa are meaningless because he won Queens and you are just left stew in your bitterness.

Hugh Jaas
06-15-2008, 05:43 PM
define this match for novak in a picture

http://i18.tinypic.com/81oxzxf.jpg

star
06-15-2008, 05:43 PM
And that is what's impressive over the last 2 years or so for me. Now he needs to learn how to volley :p I had found his game quite boring for my tastes but I enjoyed the Queens matches I saw from him.

So -- Welcome to the Rafa Love. :hug: :hug: :hug:

Petrovic
06-15-2008, 05:45 PM
Joker could won the first set , he was so close !
If he did it wouold be different match.
I still feel that Joker can do it !

Rafa improved so much from last year !
He is a real contender for Wimby !

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 05:46 PM
There's been a difference between Queens and Wimbledon for quite a few years now. Federer says he plays at Halle because it's more similar to Wimbledon.

And please give up the stupid argument that anyone is running from anybody else. Federer gets money to play at Halle, and probably Nadal does also at Queens. It's just that Queens attracts a deeper field than does Halle. Halle is probably like a mini-vacation for Federer before Wimbledon. Quiet and speaking his native language, It's probably quite relaxing for him.

Great post as usual, star :hug:

cardio
06-15-2008, 05:46 PM
That's awesome! Bjorn Bjork never won at Queens?

anyway I'm so happy for Nadal. his confidence has never been higher and it really showed in those crucial moments. just so mentally tough!

he can treat himself to his favourite octopus at the Spanish restaurant in London now!

next goal...Wimbly trophy!

As far as I know, Borg never played tournaments between RG and Wimby. Last and only time before today same player won RG and Queens was in 1973, when Ilie Nastase won both. Rod Laver also won both tournaments ,but on different years. And as far as I know, nobody won RG, Queens , Wimby all in same year, so Rafa has a chance to make tennis history .

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:47 PM
I don't think you watched the match because if you did you would have seen Rafa didn't stand 20 ft behind the baseline. All your negative posts against Rafa are meaningless because he won Queens and you are just left stew in your bitterness.

You have to admit that neither of them played anything like grass court tennis on the grass court. I think that Nadal played great today and that Djokovic also played well. But it is sad to me that grass court tennis is dead and probably sad to that poster as well. Oh, well. I guess everyone needs to get used to the fact that this is grass court tennis now.

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 05:47 PM
There's been a difference between Queens and Wimbledon for quite a few years now. Federer says he plays at Halle because it's more similar to Wimbledon.


That's what Federer said long ago. Since I started wathing Queens, it produced matches more base-line oriented. Wimbledon 2007 was looking more similar to Queens than to Halle


And please give up the stupid argument that anyone is running from anybody else.


It's Nadal fans who are calling Federer for playing Halle all over the place and you say to me to give up the argument?


Halle is probably like a mini-vacation for Federer before Wimbledon. Quiet and speaking his native language, It's probably quite relaxing for him.

I agree

Greenday
06-15-2008, 05:47 PM
I don't think you watched the match because if you did you would have seen Rafa didn't stand 20 ft behind the baseline. All your negative posts against Rafa are meaningless because he won Queens and you are just left stew in your bitterness.

:worship:

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 05:47 PM
I just want to add something I forgot in my earlier post. Well played Novak also :hug: even though he is not among my favourite players but I acknowledge him as being one of the best now. I am sure he tried his heart out and better luck next time. To Novak's fans :hug:

kalisita
06-15-2008, 05:48 PM
As far as I know, Borg never played tournaments between RG and Wimby. Last and only time before today same player won RG and Queens was in 1973, when Ilie Nastase won both. Rod Laver also won both tournaments ,but on different years. And as far as I know, nobody won RG, Queens , Wimby all in same year, so Rafa has a chance to make tennis history .

Borg said that he just went straight to grass courts and practiced. He didn't play tournaments in between.

Sunset of Age
06-15-2008, 05:48 PM
Did anyone here watch Halle final and see if Fed served and volleyed?

He did, but not as often as in previous matches. I might have missed a few shots though, as I was zapping between Roger's and Rafa's match, of course.


He is a real contender for Wimby !

Wow yes. Same thing in 2006 and 2007, btw.

ASP0315
06-15-2008, 05:51 PM
Actually I was rooting for Nadal and was happy he won. But it was fine match from both players. Nadal's mental toughness always amazes me.

Jumping to conclusions and calling someone a tool for so little. That says a lot about you. It says nothing about me.

Folks like you are a big reason MTF isn't more popular. Do you have any idea how many people you turn off. :shrug:

well said chris.

Lillith
06-15-2008, 05:51 PM
It was a good match, just not a traditional grass court match. I wish the courts were a little faster again, I miss the grass of the late 80s.

Nadal is such a great mover on grass and has better volleys than he's given credit for, so he plays on this surface so much better than most. He's still subject to an upset at Wimbledon more than Federer, but I think he deserves more credit than he gets on this surface.

Djokovic might have the shots, but he doesn't have the movement at all. His strongest surface will probably always be hard courts, much like Agassi.

Greenday
06-15-2008, 05:51 PM
ah god people are still talking abt players running away from each other...fed has mentioned a lot of times tht he prefers halle because it plays more like wimbledon....nadal might have his own reasons for playing queens.......as for djerk i dont really care.......

I have watched abt 5 games of the final and one have to admit tht the match is played from baeline....probably djerk thought tht he could blow away rafa like he did in IW but nadal's confidence is so high at this moment.....but if they both were to meet at wimby i still think djerk is the favourite to win..

knight_ley
06-15-2008, 05:52 PM
:)

star
06-15-2008, 05:52 PM
I just want to add something I forgot in my earlier post. Well played Novak also :hug: even though he is not among my favourite players but I acknowledge him as being one of the best now. I am sure he tried his heart out and better luck next time. To Novak's fans :hug:

See? You are simply one of the loveliest posters on MTF and cannot be repped enough. :hug: :kiss: :kiss: :hug:

Stupid repping rules anyway! :mad: :lol:

octatennis
06-15-2008, 05:53 PM
I didn't think I'd be using this so soon after RG:

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj60/bachelordandy/DjokoControl-1.png

(Special thanks to Elessar for the "Big Mouth" bit.)


:worship::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha ::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:


nole:hug:

star
06-15-2008, 05:55 PM
It's Nadal fans who are calling Federer for playing Halle all over the place and you say to me to give up the argument?



:hug: I was speaking to both sides. :) I should have said "everyone." I didn't mean to address it just to you. It's a silly argument.

star
06-15-2008, 05:57 PM
ah god people are still talking abt players running away from each other...fed has mentioned a lot of times tht he prefers halle because it plays more like wimbledon....nadal might have his own reasons for playing queens.......as for djerk i dont really care.......

I have watched abt 5 games of the final and one have to admit tht the match is played from baeline....probably djerk thought tht he could blow away rafa like he did in IW but nadal's confidence is so high at this moment.....but if they both were to meet at wimby i still think djerk is the favourite to win..

I'm not so sure about that. I'm sorry you only watched 5 games, because you missed one of the best matches of the year. It was played at such a high level. :worship:

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 05:58 PM
You have to admit that neither of them played anything like grass court tennis on the grass court. I think that Nadal played great today and that Djokovic also played well. But it is sad to me that grass court tennis is dead and probably sad to that poster as well. Oh, well. I guess everyone needs to get used to the fact that this is grass court tennis now.

Should have been, could have been, doesn't cut any ice. I have been watching tennis since I was 18 years old and now I am 57. Tennis on grass is not just one style. I watched the marathon match between Gonzalez and Passarell in 1969. Because of that match you have tie breakers. Everything changes but you can't tell me that games played in the 60's or 70's didn't involve baseline play. I frankly don't buy that argument. If you don't like Rafael don't watch his game but it's not necessary to denigrate him. I don't mean this pointing to you kalisita, but this is aimed at all those who do. Eras change, and games change but tennis goes on. Each era has it's own style and its best eponents. Not one era is better than the other. If you like the tennis of one era, by all means watch the matches from that time period, and make yourself sabai, and no need to stress yourself by watching tennis from a time period whose style you detest.

mariyella80
06-15-2008, 05:58 PM
VAAAAAAAAAAMOS RAFA....i am sooo happy for him....ooooh wimbeldon is going to be something if he continues this kind of performance :)

arm
06-15-2008, 06:00 PM
I just want to add something I forgot in my earlier post. Well played Novak also :hug: even though he is not among my favourite players but I acknowledge him as being one of the best now. I am sure he tried his heart out and better luck next time. To Novak's fans :hug:

Thank you. :sad: We are needing the support.


Bah, it's been an hour, time to get over it Raquel. ;)

Lee
06-15-2008, 06:01 PM
Thank you. :sad: We are needing the support.


Bah, it's been an hour, time to get over it Raquel. ;)

More HUGS for Raquel!

MaryX
06-15-2008, 06:02 PM
I'm not so sure about that. I'm sorry you only watched 5 games, because you missed one of the best matches of the year. It was played at such a high level.
That's right.Most of their matches are high intensity, very interesting to watch.But most of them are wone by Rafa :awww: Anyway, that's reality.Rafa :worship: Nole :hug: (I think you need to resolve mental blocks if you want to beat Rafa again)

star
06-15-2008, 06:02 PM
I watched the marathon match between Gonzalez and Passarell in 1969. Because of that match you have tie breakers. Everything changes but you can't tell me that games played in the 60's or 70's didn't involve baseline play.

OH MY GOD!! You saw that match???? :worship: :worship: :worship: I've only read about it. It is THE legendary match

:offtopic: Sports Illustrated several years ago had a marvelous feature article about Gonzalez and I recommend it to every tennis fan.

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 06:03 PM
What can I say about Rafael Nadal? All superlatives are meaningless in describing him. Coming from Roland Garros clay, and beating Karlovic, Roddick and now Djokovic, is really, really amazing. I am so, so, so happy today. Congratulations Rafa, as I always say, you are simply, THE BEST. Vamos Rafa y Viva Espana!

His game looks too much of a mindless ball-bashing for my liking

Lee
06-15-2008, 06:04 PM
Should have been, could have been, doesn't cut any ice. I have been watching tennis since I was 18 years old and now I am 57. Tennis on grass is not just one style. I watched the marathon match between Gonzalez and Passarell in 1969. Because of that match you have tie breakers. Everything changes but you can't tell me that games played in the 60's or 70's didn't involve baseline play. I frankly don't buy that argument. If you don't like Rafael don't watch his game but it's not necessary to denigrate him. I don't mean this pointing to you kalisita, but this is aimed at all those who do. Eras change, and games change but tennis goes on. Each era has it's own style and its best eponents. Not one era is better than the other. If you like the tennis of one era, by all means watch the matches from that time period, and make yourself sabai, and no need to stress yourself by watching tennis from a time period whose style you detest.


:yeah:

I enjoyed the Sampras era where Goran and Pete would make everyone so frustrated by serving 4 aces/unreturned serve but I also enjoy the baseline bashing these days on grass. Any style of games require great skills from top players and mental toughness.

star
06-15-2008, 06:06 PM
More HUGS for Raquel!

HUGS for both Nole and Rafa fans. It takes two to produce a great match, and that's what we all want. We want to be lifted and these two did that for us today. Rafa was simply too strong. :worship:

Lee
06-15-2008, 06:06 PM
His game looks too much of a mindless ball-bashing for my liking

Do you REALLY watch how Nadal is playing these days? Do you believe Federer and Djokovic would lose to a mindless ball-basher on the other side of the net?

star
06-15-2008, 06:07 PM
His game looks too much of a mindless ball-bashing for my liking

Honey, you need to open your mind if you think Nadal's game is mindless. You are blinded by prejudice.

But, no need to watch him if you don't like him. :) :wavey:

Vida
06-15-2008, 06:08 PM
excellent match.

I thought Djoko in 3, but Nadals tank simply seems to have no end. Congrats to fantastic Rafa Nadal and his fans.

Djoko, well played mate, better luck next time.

Anyway, I got a bit pissed off by some Djoko moves. You simply don't rally with Nadal, he'll sink ya one way or the other, not on this form. It was evident in the second when he went for broke, released the pressure and played some crazy winners. As soon as it went tight, he retracted into this moonballin shit and lost the edge. Pity for how it ended, but some positives to draw.

Congrats to both guys for some great entertainment value. Gee, the shit lasted for more than 2 hours.

rocketassist
06-15-2008, 06:11 PM
His game looks too much of a mindless ball-bashing for my liking

Nadal a ballbasher :haha:

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Here is an article from the Guardian about today's final at Queens.

Nadal edges past Djokovic to stake his claim on grass

The 22-year-old becomes the first Spanish man to win a title on grass since 1972Rafael Nadal completed a trouble-free transition from clay to grass by beating Novak Djokovic in the final of the Artois Championship. The French Open champion, who beat Roger Federer last week to win his fourth title at Roland Garros, beat the Serbian Djokovic, seeded three, 7-6, 7-5 at Queen's Club.

"This week has been amazing for me," said Nadal, whose odds to win Wimbledon have been cut to 2-1 after this victory.

Nadal suffered a disastrous start to his first Queen's Club final, losing the first three games of the opening set and was a point away from being 4-0 down. But he fought back in typically tenacious fashion to snatch a hard-fought set on a tie-break.

In a battle of this year's Grand Slam winners, the French Open and Australian Open champions produced some fantastic tennis, with many rallies more suited to a clay court than grass. Djokovic held one set point at 6-5 in the tie-break but Nadal took the next three points to win it 8-6 in 74 minutes.

Nadal seemed on course to race through the second set when he broke for a 2-0 lead, but Djokovic refused to crumble and broke straight back. The next six games went with serve but only after Djokovic saved two more break points to make it 4-4.

Djokovic looked to have made the most of his reprieve, breaking to love in the next game only to then lose his serve straight back while serving for the set. And Nadal made the world No3 pay, holding serve to lead 6-5 and then breaking Djokovic again to wrap up the match.

"I tried, it was a great match," said Djokovic. "It's been a terrific week. I've only been playing on grass for three years so it's quite an improvement for me to get to the final."

Nadal, the top seed, becomes the first Spanish man to win a title on grass since Andres Gimeno triumphed in Eastbourne in 1972. With just over a week to go before Wimbledon begins on June 23, Nadal is probably in the best position to challenge Federer's dominance at the All England Club.

Federer, who has beaten Nadal in the previous two Wimbledon finals, warmed up with victory in the Halle Open in Germany. The Swiss world No1 beat Philipp Kohlschreiber 6-3, 6-4 in the final, his 59th consecutive victory on grass.


This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Sunday June 15 2008. It was last updated at 17:45 on June 15 2008.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jun/15/tennis1

kalisita
06-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Should have been, could have been, doesn't cut any ice. I have been watching tennis since I was 18 years old and now I am 57. Tennis on grass is not just one style. I watched the marathon match between Gonzalez and Passarell in 1969. Because of that match you have tie breakers. Everything changes but you can't tell me that games played in the 60's or 70's didn't involve baseline play. I frankly don't buy that argument. If you don't like Rafael don't watch his game but it's not necessary to denigrate him. I don't mean this pointing to you kalisita, but this is aimed at all those who do. Eras change, and games change but tennis goes on. Each era has it's own style and its best eponents. Not one era is better than the other. If you like the tennis of one era, by all means watch the matches from that time period, and make yourself sabai, and no need to stress yourself by watching tennis from a time period whose style you detest.

This is very true. Individual styles and matches are always different. But baseline tennis is pretty much how everyone played at Queens this year not just this match. And that is becoming the norm instead of the exception. Even clay court tennis is different than it used to be. I frankly think that the courts are becoming more uniform than they used to be, which allows more players to to well on all of them. Instead of players adapting their individual styles to each court, not to say that they don't do this.

Clay Death
06-15-2008, 06:14 PM
Do you REALLY watch how Nadal is playing these days? Do you believe Federer and Djokovic would lose to a mindless ball-basher on the other side of the net?

Clay Monster is probably the most intelligent player on the planet.

T2KN
06-15-2008, 06:15 PM
His game looks too much of a mindless ball-bashing for my liking

Reinventing the word 'delusional' there.

Five
06-15-2008, 06:16 PM
Vamos Rafa:woohoo:

star
06-15-2008, 06:17 PM
This is very true. Individual styles and matches are always different. But baseline tennis is pretty much how everyone played at Queens this year not just this match. And that is becoming the norm instead of the exception. Even clay court tennis is different than it used to be. I frankly think that the courts are becoming more uniform than they used to be, which allows more players to to well on all of them. Instead of players adapting their individual styles to each court, not to say that they don't do this.


Just wait awhile. Tennis changes all the time. You'll see something different in 10 years.

Machiavelli
06-15-2008, 06:18 PM
Djokovic is a high class pussy, what a joke, to choke 3-4 times in just one match, pathetic...

It is obvious that he is now Rafa's bitch....

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:18 PM
HUGS for both Nole and Rafa fans. It takes two to produce a great match, and that's what we all want. We want to be lifted and these two did that for us today. Rafa was simply too strong. :worship:
You are so absolutely right. I wish I can give you more good reps but unfortunately I can't. As you said it's stupid rule to limit good reps. All I can think off is to give you infinite hugs :hug: :hug: :hug: x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000

arm
06-15-2008, 06:19 PM
More HUGS for Raquel!

Thank you all (Lee, MaryX and DhammaTiger). :hug:

Eden
06-15-2008, 06:20 PM
Congrats to Rafa for winning his first grass-court tournament and becoming the first Spaniard in 36 years to win a grass-court title.

gorgo1986
06-15-2008, 06:20 PM
This match was the Definition why Rafael Nadal has been my favorite since I first saw him playing at the 2003 Wimbledon. The guy has so much heart and so much personality and the fame and results have not gone to his head, he is the same great guy, nice as can be. He is always positive on the court, never slams raquets and always fights till the end, win or lose. Today he was amazing and today I am proud to be his fan, his game is maturing and he is adapting and growing as a tennis player, every year he comes back stronger and now he is a Wimbledon favorite. Better serve, better forehand, better movement even though I don´t know how that is possible. People doubt him, say he is only good on clay but we fans believe in him and this week he proved yet again that he is a champion no matter what surface he is playing on. Rafa eres un gran campeon!!!!!!
Always humble, always positive and always playing with his heart.
Made me a happy fan today and I am looking forward to next week.:worship:
Great Job:worship:

Better luck next time Nole, you will need it.:devil:

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 06:21 PM
Do you REALLY watch how Nadal is playing these days? Do you believe Federer and Djokovic would lose to a mindless ball-basher on the other side of the net?

I was reffering mostly to the way he hits his signature left-handed forehand. The impression is that he executes it completely from the arm, like he root-memorised the shot, if you understand what I want to say. I mean, when Fed hits the ball you have a different feeling, like he is creating the shot each time FEd first decides where the ball will go, like he draws a cross on the court and than aims for it, where Nadal looks like he memorised the movement itself and just whacks the ball again and again

Aloimeh
06-15-2008, 06:22 PM
Congratulations to Nadal and his fans!

I only saw most of the first set, and it looked pretty close. I'm not sure how informative this match is. It could be a turning point in the mental battle between these two. Either Djokovic will learn his lessons from this match just as he did at USO 2007 or he will end up being on the losing end psychologically against Nadal, just like Federer is.

Gamewise, I think they're closest on grass. On hard, Novak is superior. On clay, Nadal is superior. But on grass I think it is a tossup and could go either way. Novak was using clay court tactics for some bizarre reason. Furthermore, he has a tendency of racking up a few games and then he puts it in cruise control. That works for many other opponents, but not for Nadal. He simply cannot be up 3-0 as he was here and at Hamburg and then suddenly lose the next few games rather easily. And finally, when he gets angry and frustrated (as at Anderson and 1st set against Tsonga in AO 2008) he doesn't play so well.

I hope it will go his way next time at Wimbledon, and I definitely still see him and Nadal as the two main contenders but perhaps now I would slightly favor Nadal over Djokovic for the win. Either way, they're still pretty close in my book and it's hard to make a prediction at this point.

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:23 PM
OH MY GOD!! You saw that match???? :worship: :worship: :worship: I've only read about it. It is THE legendary match

:offtopic: Sports Illustrated several years ago had a marvelous feature article about Gonzalez and I recommend it to every tennis fan.

Yes, I remember that match so vividly. I was watching it while visiting my nephew in hospital, he was fighting for his life after heart surgery at the age of two. Thankfully, my nephew recovered and that match made me a fan of Panch Gonzalez. Star, thanks for mentioning the article where can I get a copy? Thanks very much.

connectolove
06-15-2008, 06:23 PM
This is Nadal's first grass tournament won, no?

Congrats to SUPER NADAL!!!! he has proven, once again, that he is the one with the temperament and the balls.

cobalt60
06-15-2008, 06:23 PM
I just want to add something I forgot in my earlier post. Well played Novak also :hug: even though he is not among my favourite players but I acknowledge him as being one of the best now. I am sure he tried his heart out and better luck next time. To Novak's fans :hug:

Should have been, could have been, doesn't cut any ice. I have been watching tennis since I was 18 years old and now I am 57. Tennis on grass is not just one style. I watched the marathon match between Gonzalez and Passarell in 1969. Because of that match you have tie breakers. Everything changes but you can't tell me that games played in the 60's or 70's didn't involve baseline play. I frankly don't buy that argument. If you don't like Rafael don't watch his game but it's not necessary to denigrate him. I don't mean this pointing to you kalisita, but this is aimed at all those who do. Eras change, and games change but tennis goes on. Each era has it's own style and its best eponents. Not one era is better than the other. If you like the tennis of one era, by all means watch the matches from that time period, and make yourself sabai, and no need to stress yourself by watching tennis from a time period whose style you detest.

Nice posts Ali :hug: I still want then both to learn how to volley a bit more though;) :lol:

kafemotor
06-15-2008, 06:25 PM
negative. its the Clay Monster`s will that won him that match. he was down but just willed himself this match.

he didnt serve all that well but still got it done in straight sets.

the moral of the story is clear here:

He is the absolute master of conducting death ceremonies. just pray for death.

Imo, Rafa read Nole game better...But even Nole could read Rafa well too, he was unable to give him any better position... Nadal was just too good, and thanks for serving tests from Kalovic and Roddick. Beating both, Nadal gained a great mental stifness to face a slightly slower serve from Nole. And for the rally, both were incidible. The better just won!!!:worship:

Btw, 1st time i could watch Queen live on TV from quarterfinal back from 4 months ... Nice broadcasting...:wavey:

DDrago2
06-15-2008, 06:27 PM
This is very true. Individual styles and matches are always different. But baseline tennis is pretty much how everyone played at Queens this year not just this match. And that is becoming the norm instead of the exception. Even clay court tennis is different than it used to be. I frankly think that the courts are becoming more uniform than they used to be, which allows more players to to well on all of them. Instead of players adapting their individual styles to each court, not to say that they don't do this.

I agree. The "all court" mastery is relativied because of this
What I find expecialy irritating is how much changes keep happening every year. Tennis organisers constantly tamper with conditions, which is disrespetfull towards the players. Sampras didn't have to win his first Wimbledon in one conditions and defend it in another, but that is what FEderer has to do these days! One never knows anymore how a given tournament will play in 12 month time, not to speak in longer thermes!

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:27 PM
This match was the Definition why Rafael Nadal has been my favorite since I first saw him playing at the 2003 Wimbledon. The guy has so much heart and so much personality and the fame and results have not gone to his head, he is the same great guy, nice as can be. He is always positive on the court, never slams raquets and always fights till the end, win or lose. Today he was amazing and today I am proud to be his fan, his game is maturing and he is adapting and growing as a tennis player, every year he comes back stronger and now he is a Wimbledon favorite. Better serve, better forehand, better movement even though I don´t know how that is possible. People doubt him, say he is only good on clay but we fans believe in him and this week he proved yet again that he is a champion no matter what surface he is playing on. Rafa eres un gran campeon!!!!!!
Always humble, always positive and always playing with his heart.
Made me a happy fan today and I am looking forward to next week.:worship:
Great Job:worship:

Better luck next time Nole, you will need it.:devil:

I am afraid I can't good rep you but your post has struck a distinct chord with me. :hug:

connectolove
06-15-2008, 06:29 PM
This match was the Definition why Rafael Nadal has been my favorite since I first saw him playing at the 2003 Wimbledon. The guy has so much heart and so much personality and the fame and results have not gone to his head, he is the same great guy, nice as can be. He is always positive on the court, never slams raquets and always fights till the end, win or lose. Today he was amazing and today I am proud to be his fan, his game is maturing and he is adapting and growing as a tennis player, every year he comes back stronger and now he is a Wimbledon favorite. Better serve, better forehand, better movement even though I don´t know how that is possible. People doubt him, say he is only good on clay but we fans believe in him and this week he proved yet again that he is a champion no matter what surface he is playing on. Rafa eres un gran campeon!!!!!!
Always humble, always positive and always playing with his heart.
Made me a happy fan today and I am looking forward to next week.:worship:
Great Job:worship:

Better luck next time Nole, you will need it.:devil:

Great comment from the heart. I could not have put it better and I feel the same way.:wavey:;)

hilluis
06-15-2008, 06:32 PM
horrendous grass match, its fucking ridiculous that someone can win on grass playing 20 ft behind the baseline...

Agree. Admirable from Nadal, he is such a fighter and mentally so strong. However, Feds won his match in 73 mins, Nadal took 135 mins to defeat an admittedly more difficult opponent. It wasnt grass court tennis though, why didn Novak move forward after his serve and take some of those floating returns out of the air? Federer has infinitely more variety, just hope he realises it and if he faces Nadal, doesnt undergo that mental process where he morphs into that inferior being Dont think so though. Federer is more at home on grass....

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:32 PM
Nice posts Ali :hug: I still want then both to learn how to volley a bit more though;) :lol:

Thanks very much Sue :hug: I don't know about Novak so much, but I am sure Rafa is trying to play more volleys. I think he said that the R.G. final he played closer to the baseline and less typical claycourt tennis. I really admire that in Rafa he keeps on improving and adapting. I agree with you let us hope he volleys more.

moon language
06-15-2008, 06:33 PM
Some very entertaining seat-of-your-pants rallies in this match. Really high level stuff at points. An interesting contrast compared to the other matches I watched at this tournament where the ballstriking never looked that crisp.

NYCtennisfan
06-15-2008, 06:34 PM
Congratulations to Nadal and his fans!

I only saw most of the first set, and it looked pretty close. I'm not sure how informative this match is. It could be a turning point in the mental battle between these two. Either Djokovic will learn his lessons from this match just as he did at USO 2007 or he will end up being on the losing end psychologically against Nadal, just like Federer is.

Gamewise, I think they're closest on grass. On hard, Novak is superior. On clay, Nadal is superior. But on grass I think it is a tossup and could go either way. Novak was using clay court tactics for some bizarre reason. Furthermore, he has a tendency of racking up a few games and then he puts it in cruise control. That works for many other opponents, but not for Nadal. He simply cannot be up 3-0 as he was here and at Hamburg and then suddenly lose the next few games rather easily. And finally, when he gets angry and frustrated (as at Anderson and 1st set against Tsonga in AO 2008) he doesn't play so well.

I hope it will go his way next time at Wimbledon, and I definitely still see him and Nadal as the two main contenders but perhaps now I would slightly favor Nadal over Djokovic for the win. Either way, they're still pretty close in my book and it's hard to make a prediction at this point.

:lol:

hilluis
06-15-2008, 06:36 PM
Channel flicked between Halle and Queen's....a noticeable difference at Queen's was that neither Novak or Rafa was standing on the baseline as Federer was.

Black Adam
06-15-2008, 06:37 PM
These guys have brought a new style of playing on Grass and the crowd was thrilled by the baseline prowess displayed by both Spartans.

Fedy ain't winning no more slams, the future has arrived :yeah:

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:38 PM
:yeah:

I enjoyed the Sampras era where Goran and Pete would make everyone so frustrated by serving 4 aces/unreturned serve but I also enjoy the baseline bashing these days on grass. Any style of games require great skills from top players and mental toughness.

First of all Lee, I must give you infinite hugs :hug: x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
I agree with your comments it's true one can enjoy tennis of all eras. I liked watching Sampras play on grass as well.

star
06-15-2008, 06:40 PM
First of all Lee, I must give you infinite hugs :hug: x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
I agree with your comments it's true one can enjoy tennis of all eras. I liked watching Sampras play on grass as well.


Here is the title and author and publication date: S. L. Price in Sports Illustrated "The Lone Wolf," June 24, 2002

I haven't found it on line, but maybe you will.

DhammaTiger
06-15-2008, 06:42 PM
Here is the title and author and publication date: S. L. Price in Sports Illustrated "The Lone Wolf," June 24, 2002

I haven't found it on line, but maybe you will.

Thanks so much :hug:

GuiroNl
06-15-2008, 06:42 PM
No, I am not the same guy. I have never been on that forum.. Don't know where you got that idea, but if there's another MacTheKnife over there, I assure you, it is NOT me..

P.S. - If you want send me a PM and I'll tell you where I'm from. I had no clue there was another MacTheKnife out there, scary.. Thought it was pretty original. That's what Bud Collins used to call McEnroe... So who ever this other guy is, he must be as old as me..

Ok got it :)

steffilover
06-15-2008, 06:43 PM
I have now officially become a Rafanatic, or whatever they're called!
I love his all-court ability, his attitude, sportsmanship, his incredible defence and his stunning winners. He is sweet and fair and leaves 100% on the court. What more could a fan ask for? :worship:

kafemotor
06-15-2008, 06:44 PM
And this shows you exactly why stats mean nothing. On points and games when it really mattered, Jok served like crap. In the first set serving at 3-1, he got in 1 first serve, serving for the 2nd set at 5-4, he again got in 1 first serve. Server %'s basically mean nothing, it's how well you serve on the big points/games that really matter.

Rafa deserved to win the match because he out played Jok overall, BUT Jok really choked on his serve when it counted most...

Yup, big serves on big points are the most crucial.Not overall. I could see Nadal was so ready to challenge Djokovic serve, meanwhile Djokovic was down on such decisive moment...

rofe
06-15-2008, 06:45 PM
I have now officially become a Rafanatic, or whatever they're called!
I love his all-court ability, his attitude, sportsmanship, his incredible defence and his stunning winners. He is sweet and fair and leaves 100% on the court. What more could a fan ask for? :worship:

Bandwagoners.

gorgo1986
06-15-2008, 06:46 PM
I am afraid I can't good rep you but your post has struck a distinct chord with me. :hug:

Great comment from the heart. I could not have put it better and I feel the same way.:wavey:;)


Thank you both so much,:wavey:
Its so nice to see fellow Rafa fans cheering him on and apreciating all the great things he brings to the game.
Thanx for your nice comments.
and remember
Vamos RAFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:

Chris Seahorse
06-15-2008, 06:46 PM
I was reffering mostly to the way he hits his signature left-handed forehand. The impression is that he executes it completely from the arm, like he root-memorised the shot, if you understand what I want to say. I mean, when Fed hits the ball you have a different feeling, like he is creating the shot each time FEd first decides where the ball will go, like he draws a cross on the court and than aims for it, where Nadal looks like he memorised the movement itself and just whacks the ball again and again

Err...yes. It's like the exact same motion all the time as he prepares for the shot. And yet the ball always goes different places, very often right on the lines.

Do you know what? This is called disguise. Just like Federer, Nadal decides exactly where he wants his shots to go too but he give very little away until it is too late. Look how often Nadal has his opponents totally fooled on his shots. If Nadal is just hitting mindlessly he has got to be the luckiest player ever the way his shots land in such ideal places on the court so often. :lol:

groundstroke
06-15-2008, 06:47 PM
I have now officially become a Rafanatic, or whatever they're called!
I love his all-court ability, his attitude, sportsmanship, his incredible defence and his stunning winners. He is sweet and fair and leaves 100% on the court. What more could a fan ask for? :worship:
All court? :lol: Has he won a Grand Slam at OZ, Flushing Meadows or Wimbledon?