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SF: Rafa "Clay King" Nadal def Andy "Queen's King" Roddick 7/5 6/4

Alvarillo
06-14-2008, 01:57 PM
amazing grass tennis display from Rafa ....

each year better and better :worship:

Wimby, see u soon :devil:

LinkMage
06-14-2008, 01:57 PM
Good performance by Nadal.

Roddick's ground game gets worse every day.

Alvarillo
06-14-2008, 01:57 PM
and big quality match ... ;)

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 01:58 PM
Holy shit, Nadal is gonna be tough to beat on grass this year.

Roddick didn't stand a chance exchanging moonballs with him, bit disappointed Roddick didn't play more aggressively, but Nadal was awesome.

marcRD
06-14-2008, 01:58 PM
Now we know who is nr2 on grass. Roddick just doesnt matchup well with Nadal at all.

GuiroNl
06-14-2008, 01:58 PM
Great match by Nadal.

Varied his serve
Played close to or on the baseline
Some very good returns
Mixed up the play to both Roddick's FH and BH.

Just a superb match really

Tom_Bombadil
06-14-2008, 01:58 PM
Very good performance. I hope he can mantain this level for Wimbledon

arm
06-14-2008, 01:59 PM
Very well done Mr Rafel Nadal ;)

The_Beast
06-14-2008, 01:59 PM
Andy,too bad for you :sad:

Jimnik
06-14-2008, 02:00 PM
Andy was very sluggish today. Couldn't figure out if it was a lack of effort or lack of matches.

Congrats Rafa. He definitely seems more comfortable on grass than hardcourts.

anon57
06-14-2008, 02:00 PM
Holy shit, Nadal is gonna be tough to beat on grass this year.

Nadal's going to be extremely tough to defeat on grass. He's playing very well:yeah:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:00 PM
Rodduck schooled on his favourite surface by a moonballer :haha:

The Kaz
06-14-2008, 02:00 PM
Well Done Rafa :D

Andi-M
06-14-2008, 02:00 PM
Excellent play from Rafa.

Rodduck had no chance.

Different league.

federernadalfan
06-14-2008, 02:00 PM
nadal's grass game improves every year...wimbledon final without much doubt

elessar
06-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Nadal won? :eek: :eek:

:zzz: :zzz:
I second that :D

Black Adam
06-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Nadal looking great for Wimbledon, great forehand returns :yeah:

Andy was sluggish, he hasn't found his groove yet. He didn't seem that motivated as well :rolleyes:

dark_ambient
06-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Now we know who is nr2 on grass. Roddick just doesnt matchup well with Nadal at all.Indeed we do. Djoker is. :o

Shirogane
06-14-2008, 02:03 PM
great win for rafa
good luck against djoko/nalbandian

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Rodduck schooled on his favourite surface by a moonballer :haha:

You clearly didn't watch the match.

Rafa is ready to win Wimbledon this year.

Clay Death
06-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Now we know who is nr2 on grass. Roddick just doesnt matchup well with Nadal at all.


i called this match yesterday. i said specifically that Roddick is NOT in the same league with Nadal. i also said that Nadal is sharper than ususal this early for his preparation for Wimby.

why do people keep insisting that Roddick is the 2nd best grass court player in the world. what does he have other than the serve. and who he hell has been making the finals of Wimby for the last 2 years?

well now people can see for themselves. Clay Monster can reduce him to a clown on grass.

he is no match for Nadal or Djokovic.

Jimnik
06-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Interestingly Andy lost by exactly the same scoreline to James Blake in 2006, in the same round of the same event. That was also the year he was struggling with injuries coming into the grass season.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:05 PM
You clearly didn't watch the match.

Rafa is ready to win Wimbledon this year.

I clearly watched the livestream and fell asleep halfway through.

Stefanos13
06-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Awesome display by Nadal. Roddick started the match very determined but today simply did not have the answers to Nadal's forehand and passing shots (which kept him behind the baseline).

Nadal wants this title and so far he deserves it

Neely
06-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Good result for Rafa!

This guy showed almost every year an improvement to play on the grass, unlike some other players who were successful on clay and then only used the grass season to tank, to play even more clay events or to regenerate after the stressful season on clay. He has my whole respect for the respect he gives the surface and the desire he shows to improve and to play on it!! :worship:

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 02:06 PM
I hope Nalbandian gets to the final. Nadal will wipe the floor with Djokovic.

OnyxRose
06-14-2008, 02:06 PM
Rafa did play very well but people are acting like it was a blowout. Roddick played stupidly on two service games...he had his chances but utterly failed to capitalize on them.

sphiie
06-14-2008, 02:07 PM
Congratulations Rafael!! His way of serving, his forehand, his backhand, the way he move on court, awesome returns forehand... he's better than ever, he's ready to win Wimbledon. VAMOS RAFA!

zethand
06-14-2008, 02:08 PM
I am very pleasant about this result!

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:08 PM
I clearly watched the livestream and fell asleep halfway through.

Rafa wasn't moonballing at all, so you obviously didn't see the match, despite what you say. He hit plenty of winners.

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 02:10 PM
Rafa wasn't moonballing at all, so you obviously didn't see the match, despite what you say. He hit plenty of winners.

Partly due to Roddick's short balls and poor movement, but yes, you are right. Roddick usually gets away with hitting junk like that but Nadal punished him all over the court today :)

lisaplenske
06-14-2008, 02:10 PM
great match from nadal,his win over karlovic in quarter must have helped him there.

impressive level.Congrats.

MIMIC
06-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Roddick is so one-dimensional. If you can take care of his serve, you can take care of Roddick.

Andi-M
06-14-2008, 02:11 PM
i called this match yesterday. i said specifically that Roddick is NOT in the same league with Nadal. i also said that Nadal is sharper than ususal this early for his preparation for Wimby.

why do people keep insisting that Roddick is the 2nd best grass court player in the world. what does he have other than the serve. and who he hell has been making the finals of Wimby for the last 2 years?

well now people can see for themselves. Clay Monster can reduce him to a clown on grass.

he is no match for Nadal or Djokovic.

Word.

adee-gee
06-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Stunning stuff from Rafa. His forehand is the 2nd best shot in the game at the moment behind Ivo's serve.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Rafa wasn't moonballing at all, so you obviously didn't see the match, despite what you say. He hit plenty of winners.

Everyone can hit winners on clay, and Rafa's standard rally shot is still a moonball, so what? The point here is that Roddick got shown up again for having no ground game.

HeiwaDream
06-14-2008, 02:13 PM
Nadal is very very good now on grass. His forehand was super today. If he continues to improve every year on grass , he will win Wimbledon one time , maybe this year? I can hope.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:14 PM
Everyone can hit winners on clay, and Rafa's standard rally shot is still a moonball, so what? The point here is that Roddick got shown up again for having no ground game.

Queens is on grass, dipshit.

And try to ascertain the difference between top spin and moonballing. You don't hit winners from moonballs.

Clay Death
06-14-2008, 02:15 PM
Stunning stuff from Rafa. His forehand is the 2nd best shot in the game at the moment behind Ivo's serve.


nothing stunning about it. i said yesterday that Roddick is no match for the Clay Monster.

you are talking about a 4 time grand slam winner and a 2 time Wimby finalist. the high priest of death has too much game for Roddick.

Roddcik didnt have to face anybody important here last year and Mahut had him on the ropes and really should have won the match.

Corswandt
06-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Rafa's standard rally shot is still a moonball

Exactly.

Sux that Nadal is having such success even on old skool grass, but since nobody knows how to play on grass anymore, maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

The point here is that Roddick got shown up again for having no ground game.

Which is really the story of Roddick's career over the past 2-3 years.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:17 PM
nothing stunning about it. i said yesterday that Roddick is no match for the Clay Monster.

you are talking about a 4 time grand slam winner and a 2 time Wimby finalist. the high priest of death has too much game for Roddick.

Roddcik didnt have to face anybody important here last year and Mahut had him on the ropes and really should have won the match.

I beg to differ. Today's performance made Nadal the favourite for Wimbledon, in my opinion. He was fantastic.

Deivid23
06-14-2008, 02:17 PM
Expected easy win for Rafa, Roddick stands no chance against an in-form Nadal

Fumus
06-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Andy isn't 100% yet, and didn't get any match play this week. The serve was off especially in the ad court when Andy needed it, the tactics were spotty, and Andy looked at step too slow. Rafa looked good but Andy didn't play that well so it was easy for him to do whatever her wanted. If these too meet at Wimbledon it will be a different match.

screaminhead
06-14-2008, 02:18 PM
:woohoo:

Great solid game, Rafa!

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Queens is on grass, dipshit.

And try to ascertain the difference between top spin and moonballing. You don't hit winners from moonballs.

Okay, I clearly meant grass when I said clay genius. Just because you hit a few flat winners doesn't meant you don't moonball of your standard shots, and who said you can't hit winners from moonballs especially when your opponent is called Rodduck?

raven gypsy
06-14-2008, 02:20 PM
guess clay death was right..;)

I'm excited. :bounce:
Rafa has exceeded my expectations for this tourney.

Of course now, I want him to win his first grass tourney.
It would be a wonderful confidence boost going into Wimbledon.

Big smile again from him..

Anyway, nice to Roddick back from injury and doing well..

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:20 PM
I beg to differ. Today's performance made Nadal the favourite for Wimbledon, in my opinion. He was fantastic.

Beating a one dimensional serve only player makes you favourite for Wimbledon does it, thats great logic.

l_mac
06-14-2008, 02:21 PM
Rafa did play very well but people are acting like it was a blowout. Roddick played stupidly on two service games...he had his chances but utterly failed to capitalize on them.
Rafa only had chances in the 12th game of the 1st set, and only because Nadal gifted them to him :shrug: Other than that he had no chances at all.
Andy isn't 100% yet, and didn't get any match play this week. The serve was off especially in the ad court when Andy needed it, the tactics were spotty, and Andy looked at step too slow. Rafa looked good but Andy didn't play that well so it was easy for him to do whatever her wanted. If these too meet at Wimbledon it will be a different match.

It's a shame Andy and Rafa have never played each other when both are in top form. But the Ducktards were ecstatic about Andy's Dubai win when Rafa played horrendously, so I can be very pleased with this result :banana:

Rafa :worship:

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:21 PM
Okay, I clearly meant grass when I said clay genius. Just because you hit a few flat winners doesn't meant you don't moonball of your standard shots, and who said you can't hit winners from moonballs especially when your opponent is called Rodduck?

A moonball is a defensive shot. When have you ever seen someone hit a moonball winner? Besides, Rafa was hitting winners with heavy top spin, not by flattening out his shots.

Again, go and watch the match. Your obvious bias is pretty pathetic.

moon language
06-14-2008, 02:21 PM
Rafa did play very well but people are acting like it was a blowout. Roddick played stupidly on two service games...he had his chances but utterly failed to capitalize on them.

Not a blowout but the match was in Nadal's hands the whole way. Roddick was almost never dictating play, and his returns were crap.

The Freak
06-14-2008, 02:22 PM
Just too good from Nadal, he made Andy look average out there and did it on grass no less.

Art&Soul
06-14-2008, 02:22 PM
Ducky is so bad and nothing special from Nadull

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:23 PM
Beating a one dimensional serve only player makes you favourite for Wimbledon does it, thats great logic.

You don't get to number 1 if you're just a big serve. Karlovic has a better serve than Roddick and he isn't top 10.

Besides, Rafa proved himself last year. He outplayed Federer, who served out of his mind to win that match.

star
06-14-2008, 02:24 PM
Okay, I clearly meant grass when I said clay genius. Just because you hit a few flat winners doesn't meant you don't moonball of your standard shots, and who said you can't hit winners from moonballs especially when your opponent is called Rodduck?

Such a difference between moonball and topspin. It makes me so tired when people can't make the distinction.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:25 PM
You don't get to number 1 if you're just a big serve. Karlovic has a better serve than Roddick and he isn't top 10.

Besides, Rafa proved himself last year. He outplayed Federer, who served out of his mind to win that match.

Roddick got to number 1 in 03, its now 2008 mate. Karlovic has poor mental strength, try again.

Yep, Nadal was very convincing in the other matches leading up to the final last year.

Clay Death
06-14-2008, 02:27 PM
guess clay death was right..;)

I'm excited. :bounce:
Rafa has exceeded my expectations for this tourney.

Of course now, I want him to win his first grass tourney.
It would be a wonderful confidence boost going into Wimbledon.

Big smile again from him..

Anyway, nice to Roddick back from injury and doing well..


now i would like nothing better than a tired, spent Nalby for sunday so Nadla can pick him off. oh Gods of clay grant me my wish.

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 02:28 PM
You don't get to number 1 if you're just a big serve. Karlovic has a better serve than Roddick and he isn't top 10.

Besides, Rafa proved himself last year. He outplayed Federer, who served out of his mind to win that match.

Won the decider 6-2 whilst getting outplayed and only his serve working :lol:

Let's not open that old chestnut again though.

Quite a winning streak Nadal has going at the moment. He normally likes his rest before Wimbledon, he's going much too deep here! ;)

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:28 PM
Such a difference between moonball and topspin. It makes me so tired when people can't make the distinction.

Its sad that you can't see moonballing is a type of topspin.

Mansave_75
06-14-2008, 02:28 PM
Congrats Rafa!!! Once again Clay Death words were praised, you know a lot of tennis guy!!!
Now let's go for the title ... Rafa smells it. :)

Dan's Racket
06-14-2008, 02:29 PM
Good stuff from Rafa.
Going to be a very interesting wimbly this year.

Bibberz
06-14-2008, 02:29 PM
Such a difference between moonball and topspin. It makes me so tired when people can't make the distinction.

Yeah, but when most people say "moonball" they mostly say it just to be derisive. I'm sure most of them can actually make out the distinction.

tangerine_dream
06-14-2008, 02:29 PM
Excellent win on grass for Rafa :bigclap: He says he's tired, he wants to go home, but after yesterday's match he seemed to wake up and realize that the trophy could actually be his. Now he's in it to win it.

Andy not looking too sharp out there, I think his tactics were all wrong in this match. The two retirements may or may not have backfired on him. Oh well. Foward and onward for the duck solider.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:29 PM
Roddick got to number 1 in 03, its now 2008 mate. Karlovic has poor mental strength, try again.

Yep, Nadal was very convincing in the other matches leading up to the final last year.

Ah, so Karlovic would be one of the top guys if not for his lack of mental strength? Sure thing.

The point is, you do not get to number 1 in any era if you are *just* a big serve. Your oversimplification of tennis just highlights how little you know about the game. You can't even distinguish between top spin and moonballing. You even think Queens is played on clay.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:32 PM
Won the decider 6-2 whilst getting outplayed and only his serve working :lol:

Let's not open that old chestnut again though.

Quite a winning streak Nadal has going at the moment. He normally likes his rest before Wimbledon, he's going much too deep here! ;)

Did you watch last year's final? If you had, you would have seen how Federer's serve bailed him out of a bunch of BPs in the final set, BEFORE Federer got the break. I didn't say that it was only Federer's serve that won him the match, but it was the main factor. Without those timely aces, he wouldn't have won.

Go and watch the match again.

Monteque
06-14-2008, 02:32 PM
Roddick pulled out RG because injury. I believe he hasnt fully recovered from the injury. It cost him the match

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:32 PM
Yeah, but when most people say "moonball" they mostly say it just to be derisive. I'm sure most of them can actually make out the distinction.

leng jai can't tell the difference.

Not only that, but he thinks we're still in the clay court season!

star
06-14-2008, 02:33 PM
Yeah, but when most people say "moonball" they mostly say it just to be derisive. I'm sure most of them can actually make out the distinction.

You are so sweet. :hug:

But, you have to question someone's tennis acumen if they deride topspin. :)

l_mac
06-14-2008, 02:33 PM
:haha:

HarryMan
06-14-2008, 02:34 PM
Nadal is ready to win wimbledon? :haha::haha::haha:

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:35 PM
Nadal is ready to win wimbledon? :haha::haha::haha:

He's been to the last 2 finals. What's so funny about that?

ASP0315
06-14-2008, 02:35 PM
expected one

Roddick is just "all serve" player. ;)
he even got broken on a superfast grass court. :lol:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:36 PM
Ah, so Karlovic would be one of the top guys if not for his lack of mental strength? Sure thing.

The point is, you do not get to number 1 in any era if you are *just* a big serve. Your oversimplification of tennis just highlights how little you know about the game. You can't even distinguish between top spin and moonballing. You even think Queens is played on clay.

The fact that you're still holding onto a typo as an argument means you're struggling here. Are you too thick to see that Roddick's game from 2003 has changed to what it is now? He lost his forehand and his mojo And the fact that getting to number 1 in 03 was not as hard as it is now due to different opposition? Karlovic can be a top 10 player with decent mental, Boredo made top 5 and its not that hard when 80% of the points are taken by the top 3 players in the world.

You can't even get past the fact that moonballing is always used as a negative term. Its a form of topspin which can cause short balls and thus can be seen as an attacking shot.

stebs
06-14-2008, 02:36 PM
Roddick was poor tactically, kept returning fown the middle with nothing balls. Nadal gobbled them up very, very well. He is strong enough to hit balls which would be approaches for most for clean winners. Roddick also movement weak allowing balls by him for winners which most top 10ers would've been after and with time to spare. Nadal was good off the ground (though I think Roddick made it easy for him) but really excellent serving. Impressive.

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 02:38 PM
Did you watch last year's final? If you had, you would have seen how Federer's serve bailed him out of a bunch of BPs in the final set, BEFORE Federer got the break. I didn't say that it was only Federer's serve that won him the match, but it was the main factor. Without those timely aces, he wouldn't have won.

Go and watch the match again.

Yeah, we should just take those serves away from players, such an unfair advantage. Why not take Nadal's forehand away as well, clearly giving him an edge. :rolleyes:

HarryMan
06-14-2008, 02:39 PM
Roddick played absolute pathetic. People are overrating Rafa's performance a lot.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:40 PM
The fact that you're still holding onto a typo as an argument means you're struggling here. Are you too thick to see that Roddick's game from 2003 has changed to what it is now? He lost his forehand and his mojo And the fact that getting to number 1 in 03 was not as hard as it is now due to different opposition? Karlovic can be a top 10 player with decent mental, Boredo made top 5 and its not that hard when 80% of the points are taken by the top 3 players in the world.

You can't even get past the fact that moonballing is always used as a negative term. Its a form of topspin which can cause short balls and thus can be seen as an attacking shot.

That is not moonballing. Heavy top spin is not moonballing. It is, wait for it, heavy top spin! You can't even tell the difference. Rafa hit multiple winners with his heavy top spin today. When have you ever seen moonball winners?

You even contradicted yourself. You said that you can hit moonball winners (ridiculous) and then contradict yourself by saying that they're used to get short balls.

You are quite clearly clueless about the sport.

morningglory
06-14-2008, 02:42 PM
heh... when will Ducky realize he's not gonna out-moonball the king of moonballers? :lol: :o
Embarassing how his game has changed so much since 2001...

Djokovic will eat Nadal up on grass... mark my words

ASP0315
06-14-2008, 02:42 PM
good point clydey.
Federer serve bailed him out at wimbledon finals last year as well. ;)
people always say take roddick and karlovic serves away they wouldn't even be top 100.

but here is the thing of federer serve is taken away he wouldn't even won a single slam as well. thats the reason he is not winning french open. see how nadal easily exposed him at french.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:43 PM
Yeah, we should just take those serves away from players, such an unfair advantage. Why not take Nadal's forehand away as well, clearly giving him an edge. :rolleyes:

I didn't say that. Why are you completely twisting my words? My point was that he outplayed Federer in the majority of the rallies, demonstrating that he is a match for Federer on grass.

Serving is a part of tennis, just as much as a forehand. Winning as a result of it is no less impressive than a stream of forehand winners. You completely misrepresented my position.

Clara Bow
06-14-2008, 02:43 PM
Roddick played absolute pathetic. People are overrating Rafa's performance a lot.

Even with that opinion, you still haven't explained though why you find the thought that Rafa - two time finalist who took Feds to five sets last year- could have a chance at Wimbledon utterly laughable and worthy of derision.

So you think that Rafa has zero chance at Wimbledon? Is that why you were laughing at the comment? I am not trying to be snotty, am sincerely curious as why you thought the idea of Rafa having a chance at Wimbledon to be so laughable.

HarryMan
06-14-2008, 02:43 PM
heh... when will Ducky realize he's not gonna out-moonball the king of moonballers? :lol: :o
Embarassing how his game has changed so much since 2001...

Djokovic will eat Nadal up on grass... mark my words

:yeah:

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 02:46 PM
I didn't say that. Why are you completely twisting my words? My point was that he outplayed Federer in the majority of the rallies, demonstrating that he is a match for Federer on grass.

Serving is a part of tennis, just as much as a forehand. Winning as a result of it is no less impressive than a stream of forehand winners. You completely misrepresented my position.

My apologies :hatoff:

As for the moonballing, don't worry about it, it just refers to shots being hit with a high margin of error over the net , a "safe" shot if you will. Nadal is the best at it, and there's no shame in it! Roddick gets nothing on his rally shots compared to Nadal as shown today.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:48 PM
My apologies :hatoff:

As for the moonballing, don't worry about it, it just refers to shots being hit with a high margin of error over the net , a "safe" shot if you will. Nadal is the best at it, and there's no shame in it! Roddick gets nothing on his rally shots compared to Nadal as shown today.

I disagree. Rafa doesn't moonball. You could make a weak argument for it on clay, since the ball bounces so high. On grass, though, it zips through the court.

elessar
06-14-2008, 02:49 PM
good point clydey.
Federer serve bailed him out at wimbledon finals last year as well. ;)
people always say take roddick and karlovic serves away they wouldn't even be top 100.

but here is the thing of federer serve is taken away he wouldn't even won a single slam as well. thats the reason he is not winning french open. see how nadal easily exposed him at french.

Good stuff :smoke:

Johnny Groove
06-14-2008, 02:50 PM
No one has mentioned his 7 aces :drool:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:50 PM
That is not moonballing. Heavy top spin is not moonballing. It is, wait for it, heavy top spin! You can't even tell the difference. Rafa hit multiple winners with his heavy top spin today. When have you ever seen moonball winners?

You even contradicted yourself. You said that you can hit moonball winners (ridiculous) and then contradict yourself by saying that they're used to get short balls.

You are quite clearly clueless about the sport.

Your notions of moonballing are clearly incorrect. I'd like to see what you consider a moonball, only lobs that bring the rain I take. Clearly you can outmanouvre an opponent by moonballing to one side, taking them out of position and moonballing it to the other side for an easy winner.

Can you please explain to me how I contradicted myself? I said you can setup short balls with a moonball, how does that have anything to do with a moonball winner?

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 02:50 PM
Ah, so Karlovic would be one of the top guys if not for his lack of mental strength? Sure thing.

The point is, you do not get to number 1 in any era if you are *just* a big serve. Your oversimplification of tennis just highlights how little you know about the game. You can't even distinguish between top spin and moonballing. You even think Queens is played on clay.

You have to realize most Fedtards/ Rafa or Nole haters dont actually play tennis.

That is why they dont understand real tennis.

They just like the moments of flashiness Fed shows.

Pick up a racket, go to a court and man up Fedtards.

P.S. Congrats Rafa
Time to play Nole in the finals so the world can see 2 real tennis players play each other.

rafa_maniac
06-14-2008, 02:51 PM
Finally a battle between the two contenders for #2 on grass over the past few years, and Rafa comes out on top. Now win that title!

10nisfan
06-14-2008, 02:51 PM
I just woke up and checked MTF, saw the Thread that RAFA Defeated RODDICK!!!... :woohoo:

Kudos RAFA!... :bowdown:

This Piggy is sure Hungry... He Feasted on the GOAT last Sunday, Today He Ate the Duck!... :haha:

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Roddick played absolute pathetic. People are overrating Rafa's performance a lot.

Aren't you one of the people who thought Hewitt would beat Nole.

Your tennis understanding must be top notch :rolleyes:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:53 PM
I disagree. Rafa doesn't moonball. You could make a weak argument for it on clay, since the ball bounces so high. On grass, though, it zips through the court.

Surface is irrelevant. Is the slice not a slice on clay because it zips through more on grass?

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:54 PM
Your notions of moonballing are clearly incorrect. I'd like to see what you consider a moonball, only lobs that bring the rain I take. Clearly you can outmanouvre an opponent by moonballing to one side, taking them out of position and moonballing it to the other side for an easy winner.

Can you please explain to me how I contradicted myself? I said you can setup short balls with a moonball, how does that have anything to do with a moonball winner?

You said you can hit moonball winners, yet you then went on to say that they are used to set up shortballs. That is a contradiction. A shot used specifically to set up shortballs is not a shot used to hit winners.

I certainly do not consider heavy top spin to be moonballing.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 02:57 PM
You said you can hit moonball winners, yet you then went on to say that they are used to set up shortballs. That is a contradiction. A shot used specifically to set up shortballs is not a shot used to hit winners.

I certainly do not consider heavy top spin to be moonballing.

Your logic is idiotic. So if I hit a flat deep shot straight at an opponent, and they half volley back a short ball, whats that? Does that mean, I can't hit a flat winner by your logic?

Clydey
06-14-2008, 02:57 PM
Surface is irrelevant. Is the slice not a slice on clay because it zips through more on grass?

The point is the height, hence the name. You cannot call a shot that ips through to your opponent a moonball. Like I said, any argument for heavy top spin as being a moonball is weak.

Murray sometimes uses a moonball to position himself for a backhand down the line. He'll flick it up high and look for the cross court reply. It is not the same as a heavy top spin shot that clears the net by a few extra inches.

shotgun
06-14-2008, 02:59 PM
Very impressive by Nadal, beating Karlovic and Roddick back-to-back on grass. :eek: I think Djokovic could give him a good match tomorrow, the way he's playing against Nalbandian right now.

Not a good omen for Roddick when he can't even win Queen's. May as well not live up to his seeding at Wimbledon.

HarryMan
06-14-2008, 03:00 PM
Aren't you one of the people who thought Hewitt would beat Nole.

Your tennis understanding must be top notch :rolleyes:

Hewitt is a fighter and a great warrior but he can't stand the power game of Novak, which is the truth. I wanted Hewitt to put up a show againt him but again Novak was too good ;)

Now watch Rafa get man handled tomorrow in the final against the Djoker :devil:

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:00 PM
Your logic is idiotic. So if I hit a flat deep shot straight at an opponent, and they half volley back a short ball, whats that? Does that mean, I can't hit a flat winner by your logic?

Here's the difference: you do not hit a flat shot to earn a short ball.

You suggest that moonballs are used specifically to earn a short ball. When a player flattens out his shots, they are generally looking for a winner. When have you ever seen someone moonball and hit a winner off of it?

Here's anoither question. If you can hit moonball winners, why do you use it as a negative term?

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:01 PM
The point is the height, hence the name. You cannot call a shot that ips through to your opponent a moonball. Like I said, any argument for heavy top spin as being a moonball is weak.

Murray sometimes uses a moonball to position himself for a backhand down the line. He'll flick it up high and look for the cross court reply. It is not the same as a heavy top spin shot that clears the net by a few extra inches.

Theres a difference between offensive moonballing and defensive moonballing. Murray only uses defensive moonballing because he can't generate the same amount of topspin as Nadal. Nadal has made a career out of high net clearance, and now you're saying he only clears the net by a few inches :worship:

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:03 PM
Theres a difference between offensive moonballing and defensive moonballing. Murray only uses defensive moonballing because he can't generate the same amount of topspin as Nadal. Nadal has made a career out of high net clearance, and now you're saying he only clears the net by a few inches :worship:

No, "a few extra inches". In other words, a few more inches than other players. Do you think he clears it by a metre more than other players?

And if Nadal moonballs offensively, why do you use the term negatively when referring to him?

ASP0315
06-14-2008, 03:04 PM
i expect the faker to reitre like he did at wimbledon last year. He won't beat nadal and to avoid embarresment he will retire. ;)

Smoke944
06-14-2008, 03:04 PM
You clearly didn't watch the match.

Rafa is ready to win Wimbledon this year.

Yep, wow at this match.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:05 PM
Here's the difference: you do not hit a flat shot to earn a short ball.

You suggest that moonballs are used specifically to earn a short ball. When a player flattens out his shots, they are generally looking for a winner. When have you ever seen someone moonball and hit a winner off of it?

Here's anoither question. If you can hit moonball winners, why do you use it as a negative term?

When did I say that a moonball can only be used to setup short balls? Oh wait...I DIDN'T. I used one example that could put it in an attacking light. You are the one who has negative connotations when it comes to the term of moonballing. My original point was that moonballing shouldn't be as an effective tactic on grass.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:07 PM
When did I say that a moonball can only be used to setup short balls? Oh wait...I DIDN'T. I used one example that could put it in an attacking light. You are the one who has negative connotations when it comes to the term of moonballing. My original point was that moonballing shouldn't be as an effective tactic on grass.

So when you poked fun at Nadal for being a "moonballer", you were actually paying him a compliment? Yeah, ok.

seljanin
06-14-2008, 03:07 PM
Poor match by Andy. Absolute lack of movement, lack of aggression, wrong tactics. Some 7-8 absolutely clueless approaches, which were simply begging to get a passing shot winner from Nadal.

Ok, seems I have to accept the fact, what I never wanted to accept, - Nadal is better than Roddick on grass :shrug:

I've always hated Nadal's grasscourt game, but comparing himself on grass last year with this year, he has made some significant improvements, IMO:

1) better use of serve (beefed up + better usage of angles + more variety in serve direction and placement)
2) much better volleys (better touch as well)
3) better usage of slice

In short words, I think that he has made a lot of improvements in his grasscourt game. I'm not judging it because of this match, but because of the whole tournament, as I've seen all his matches. If he managed to improve return of serve and transition from the baseline to the net, he would be even more dangerous on the surface.

Well, it's still a week till Wimby. Good luck in preparations for Wimby, Andy! :yeah:

Aenea
06-14-2008, 03:09 PM
i expect the faker to reitre like he did at wimbledon last year. He won't beat nadal and to avoid embarresment he will retire. ;)
Djokovic won't retire tomorrow, no way. :p

Congratulations, Rafa!! Well played this week on grass and that soon after clay. :hearts:

Wish you good luck tomorrow. Do your best. :bigclap:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:09 PM
Here's the difference: you do not hit a flat shot to earn a short ball.

You suggest that moonballs are used specifically to earn a short ball. When a player flattens out his shots, they are generally looking for a winner. When have you ever seen someone moonball and hit a winner off of it?

Here's anoither question. If you can hit moonball winners, why do you use it as a negative term?

You are making less sense by the post.

"You do not hit a flat shot to earn a short ball". I don't know what you sport you are watching, but the objective for ANY attacking shot that isn't meant for a winner is to draw a short ball and assume an offensive position. The notion that you can't use a flat short to draw a short ball is idiotic.

NYCtennisfan
06-14-2008, 03:10 PM
The second set was the exact same set as the one at IW last year other than the fact that Roddick got some more free points. Roddick couldn't win a rally or a point off of Nadal's serve to save his life.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Hewitt is a fighter and a great warrior but he can't stand the power game of Novak, which is the truth. I wanted Hewitt to put up a show againt him but again Novak was too good ;)

Now watch Rafa get man handled tomorrow in the final against the Djoker :devil:

As long as the winner destroys Fed at Wimby :D

dodoboy
06-14-2008, 03:11 PM
My My what a show!

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:11 PM
So when you poked fun at Nadal for being a "moonballer", you were actually paying him a compliment? Yeah, ok.

Moonballer is a just a name, it doesn't have to have negative or positive connotations. Just like being a clay courter is not a negative thing, its just a description.

Bernard Black
06-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Leng Jai, Clydey...get a room already!

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:12 PM
You are making less sense by the post.

"You do not hit a flat shot to earn a short ball". I don't know what you sport you are watching, but the objective for ANY attacking shot that isn't meant for a winner is to draw a short ball and assume an offensive position. The notion that you can't use a flat short to draw a short ball is idiotic.

The general purpose of flattening out one's shots is to go for the winner. If you earn a short ball, great. That is so far removed from moonballing. It's laughable that you are even comparing the two.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:13 PM
Moonballer is a just a name, it doesn't have to have negative or positive connotations. Just like being a clay courter is not a negative thing, its just a description.

Who are you kidding? You blatantly used it earlier in this thread as a negative term.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:13 PM
The general purpose of flattening out one's shots is to go for the winner. If you earn a short ball, great. That is so far removed from moonballing. It's laughable that you are even comparing the two.

Ok, so by your logic, any player that hits the ball predominately flat goes for winner every shot.

l_mac
06-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Moonballer is a just a name, it doesn't have to have negative or positive connotations. Just like being a clay courter is not a negative thing, its just a description.
Enough! :lol:

Newbie, stop taking the bait. You need to pick your battles on GM. ;)

GlennMirnyi
06-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Roddick you suck. :wavey:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Who are you kidding? You blatantly used it earlier in this thread as a negative term.

Negative in this instance because its a style that doesn't complement the surface. If I bag someone for losing on clay to a S&V player does that mean I think S&V sucks?

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Ok, so by your logic, any player that hits the ball predominately flat goes for winner every shot.

No. Someone like Stepanek hits the ball flat naturally. Someone like, say, Djokovic hits the majority of his shots with top spin. When he flattens it out he's looking for the winner.

And here's where you used "moonballer" negatively.

"Rodduck schooled on his favourite surface by a moonballer"

t0x
06-14-2008, 03:16 PM
Expected really.

Roddick's average baseline game against the world number 2's. When he misses the first serve, and on return, he's screwed.

Rafa is playing well, it'll take a hell of a performance to beat him.

GlennMirnyi
06-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Nadal = moonballer = player who can't attack, only depends on other players' mistakes. No further detailing needed.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Nadal = moonballer = player who can't attack, only depends on other players' mistakes. No further detailing needed.

Funny how he won the match with winners today, then.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Negative in this instance because its a style that doesn't complement the surface. If I bag someone for losing on clay to a S&V player does that mean I think S&V sucks?

So Federer sucks on grass because he got taken to 5 sets by a "moonballer"?

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:18 PM
So Federer sucks on grass because he got taken to 5 sets by a "moonballer"?

Ever heard of a little concept called "match ups"?

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Ever heard of a little concept called "match ups"?

The classic excuse for all Rafa haters.

What has Tommy Haas achieved for being such a great all round player :rolleyes:

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Nadal = moonballer = player who can't attack, only depends on other players' mistakes. No further detailing needed.

Attacking like a dumb animal is no way near as evolved as intellectual defense.

Perfect logic. Perfect defense. beats a dumb attacking clown.

l_mac
06-14-2008, 03:19 PM
Nadal = moonballer = player who can't attack, only depends on other players' mistakes. No further detailing needed.

:lol: I knew you weren't to be trusted.

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:19 PM
Ever heard of a little concept called "match ups"?

Oh, so it' not the surface? It's match ups now? :rolleyes:

You just keep changing your position until you find one that's tenable :D

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:21 PM
The classic excuse for all Rafa haters.

What has Tommy Haas achieved for being such a great all round player :rolleyes:

These guys are unwilling to admit when they're wrong. It's not worth wasting our time educating them :D

GlennMirnyi
06-14-2008, 03:22 PM
Funny how he won the match with winners today, then.

Impossible.

So Federer sucks on grass because he got taken to 5 sets by a "moonballer"?

You're finally gettin' it mate. :)

:lol: I knew you weren't to be trusted.

I am. It's just that certain things must be made clear.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:23 PM
Oh, so it' not the surface? It's match ups now? :rolleyes:

You just keep changing your position until you find one that's tenable :D

Are you mentally challenged? Nadal loses to Federer on grass and smashes him on clay because his game complements clay and not grass. Nadal gets close to Federer on grass because his game matches up the well with Federer and he has the mental edge anyway. Nadal still loses because his game is not that effective on grass and Federer's game is more effective on grass than clay.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:23 PM
These guys are unwilling to admit when they're wrong. It's not worth wasting our time educating them :D

I have been doing it for years. Dont give up, its our job to educate the Fedtards for the betterment of tennis.

I have shown some of them the light, but some are just too illogical to correct.

A few more Federer beatings by Rafa and Nole will wise them up. Its funny how much they hate Rafa because he wont let their little Fed win RG.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:24 PM
The classic excuse for all Rafa haters.

What has Tommy Haas achieved for being such a great all round player :rolleyes:

Sorry if you can't comprehend supporting a player who hasn't won a grand slam.

ASP0315
06-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Nadal = moonballer = player who can't attack, only depends on other players' mistakes. No further detailing needed.

that should be andy murray.

scoobs
06-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Vamos Rafa for the final tomorrow!

DhammaTiger
06-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Congrats Rafa now please win the title. Rafa is the best. Vamos Rafa !!!!

stebs
06-14-2008, 03:24 PM
I have been doing it for years. Dont give up, its our job to educate the Fedtards for the betterment of tennis.

I have shown some of them the light, but some are just too illogical to correct.

A few more Federer beatings by Rafa and Nole will wise them up. Its funny how much they hate Rafa because he wont let their little Fed win RG.

Then what of the Fedtards who don't hate Nadal and respect his acheivements and game? Are they still in the dark or have they seen the light?

Clydey
06-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Are you mentally challenged? Nadal loses to Federer on grass and smashes him on clay because his game complements clay and not grass. Nadal gets close to Federer on grass because his game matches up the well with Federer and he has the mental edge anyway. Nadal still loses because his game is not that effective on grass and Federer's game is more effective on grass than clay.

Whatever you say :rolleyes:

I shan't argue any further. It's like teaching rocket science to a retard.

Byrd
06-14-2008, 03:25 PM
I love Roddick's tactics, exchange backhand to Nadal's forehand's and don't bother to hit to the backhand, too good.

DDrago2
06-14-2008, 03:25 PM
You have to realize most Fedtards/ Rafa or Nole haters dont actually play tennis.

That is why they dont understand real tennis.

They just like the moments of flashiness Fed shows.

Pick up a racket, go to a court and man up Fedtards.


What bunch of crap. Have you ever checked out what most tennis proffesionals and ex-champions say about Federer (and Nadal and Djokovic)?


Todays result is clearly an anomaly, Nadal shouldn't beat Roddick on grass like this - but as I said, Roddick seems to have some mental issues with Nadal?

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:27 PM
Then what of the Fedtards who don't hate Nadal and respect his acheivements and game? Are they still in the dark or have they seen the light?

Fedtards are people who dislike Rafa and/or Nole and like Federer.

I have no problems with the real Federer fans as they just have different tennis likes than myself.

My problem is with the tards who bash anyone who stands up and defeats Fed.

Like I have said many times, Fedtards made me a Fed hater. Believe it or not, I was neutral to Fed when I joined MTF.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:29 PM
What bunch of crap. Have you checked out what most tennis proffesionals and ex-champions say about Federer (and Nadal and Djokovic)?


Todays result is clearly an anomaly, Nadal shouldn't beat Roddick on grass like this - but as I said, Roddick seems to have some mental issues with Nadal?

Champions respect all three.
Fedtards respect only Federer and bash everyone who beats him or is a threat to him (Nole and Rafa)

I said Fedtards dont play tennis, not the greats who respect all playing styles.

Clara Bow
06-14-2008, 03:30 PM
Todays result is clearly an anomaly, Nadal shouldn't beat Roddick on grass like this - but as I said, Roddick seems to have some mental issues with Nadal?

Yes- Andy clearly had mental issues against Rafa in Dubai. But if I recall correctly, you are one of the posters is fond of claiming that Rafa never actually wins matches- it is just all about the other player being scared, unlucky, having a mental block etc. I don't think I have seen you ever say that Rafa's play was a factor in his matches- it is only about mentality and the others player lacking it or being unlucky, etc.

Art&Soul
06-14-2008, 03:31 PM
Fedtards are people who dislike Rafa and/or Nole and like Federer.

I have no problems with the real Federer fans as they just have different tennis likes than myself.

My problem is with the tards who bash anyone who stands up and defeats Fed.

Like I have said many times, Fedtards made me a Fed hater. Believe it or not, I was neutral to Fed when I joined MTF.

Yeah you was hurt and still hurt coz your Nadull is called Ms Piggy :o But you know everyone calls him Piggy not only Fedtards ;)

NYCtennisfan
06-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Fedtards are people who dislike Rafa and/or Nole and like Federer.

I have no problems with the real Federer fans as they just have different tennis likes than myself.

My problem is with the tards who bash anyone who stands up and defeats Fed.

Like I have said many times, Fedtards made me a Fed hater. Believe it or not, I was neutral to Fed when I joined MTF.

:haha: :haha: :haha: Are you 12 years old?

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:35 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: Are you 12 years old?

Physically yes, mentally you can halve that and then divide it by 3.

DDrago2
06-14-2008, 03:37 PM
Yes- Andy clearly had mental issues against Rafa in Dubai. But if I recall correctly, you are one of the posters is fond of claiming that Rafa never actually wins matches- it is just all about the other player being scared, unlucky, having a mental block etc. I don't think I have seen you ever say that Rafa's play was a factor in his matches- it is only about mentality and the others player lacking it or being unlucky, etc.

Well how can I claim that "Raffa is winning matches", when his playing style is completely based on retrieving and waiting for the errors of oponent? Check out GlennMirny post in this thread - Nadal is a player without a real attack, it never looks so much as he is winning as the oponent is losing... It's incredible how out-of-control he is looking even when winning, including his demenour on court, not to mention he hits half of his shots out of balance!

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:39 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: Are you 12 years old?

Standing up to tyranny and evil makes me 12 years old. Gotta love Fedtard logic. Sorry I dont bow to your kind like many of MTF.

Leng Jai you have already bowed to your Fedtard masters. One day we will save you. You can thank us then.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Yeah you was hurt and still hurt coz your Nadull is called Ms Piggy :o But you know everyone calls him Piggy not only Fedtards ;)

About the piggy comment. I know most Fedtards are childish and have to resort to name calling when they are losing an argument.

Clara Bow
06-14-2008, 03:41 PM
completely based on retrieving and waiting for the errors of oponent?

Did you watch the match today? He was going for winners and moving up in the court. Did you watch the Wimbledon final last year? Are you saying that he never attacked in the Wimbledon final? So according to you- he never has any winners since all of his points are based on opponents unforced errors?

I think that you just can't stand Nadal and even when he is aggressive will not give him any credit for it. He is very good at defense yes- but I can not agree with you that he has zero offense in his game- which is what you are claiming.

I will not continue to argue with you because you will never see my viewpoint that Rafa can actually play with offense and have winners and I will never agree with you that Rafa only wins because of unforced errors and never has had an aggressive point on court.

l_mac
06-14-2008, 03:46 PM
Don't rise to it ClaraBow. :hug:

DDrago is one of the biggest idiots on the forum. We are talking Clay Death/RFK level.

GlennMirnyi
06-14-2008, 03:46 PM
Did you watch the match today? He was going for winners and moving up in the court. Did you watch the Wimbledon final last year? Are you saying that he never attacked in the Wimbledon final? So according to you- he never has any winners since all of his points are based on opponents unforced errors?

I think that you just can't stand Nadal and even when he is aggressive will not give him any credit for it. He is very good at defense yes- but I can not agree with you that he has zero offense in his game- which is what you are claiming.

I will not continue to argue with you because you will never see my viewpoint that Rafa can actually play with offense and have winners and I will never agree with you that Rafa only wins because of unforced errors and never has had an aggressive point on court.

Moonballing higher isn't being aggressive I tell you.

Pfloyd
06-14-2008, 03:47 PM
Wow. Now I know why I stopped arguing tennis with some of the people here.

Fucking retarded.

I bet they (feel free to fill in blanks) masturbate only when Nadal loses, hence the constant bashing and senseless arguing.

Jogy
06-14-2008, 03:48 PM
VERY GREAT, Nadal!!!!!!! :worship:

Now please RIP Djokovic to many pieces! :D :D :D


but I think Djokovic is hard in grass final
his flat shots are good on grass normally

but please beating him, Rafa!

Vamos!

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Wow. Now I know why I stopped arguing tennis with some of the people here.

Fucking retarded.

I bet they (feel free to fill in blanks) masturbate only when Nadal loses, hence the constant bashing and senseless arguing.

Are you reffering to people like Glenn and Leng.

Instead of getting angry at the poor souls, try and cure their disease.

leng jai
06-14-2008, 03:50 PM
RFK, can you show me the light? It is pitch black in my room :sad:

DhammaTiger
06-14-2008, 03:51 PM
For unbiased and knowledgeable assessment on The Rafa- Andy match today, please read this article that I found on The Guardian website:


Artois Championships
Nadal a game away from first grass title

Spaniard through to Queen's final after seeing off defending champion Andy Roddick in two sets




Rafael Nadal produced an impressive performance against big-serving Andy Roddick. Photograph: Julian Finney/Getty Images

Rafael Nadal is on the verge of winning his first grass-court title after an impressive victory over the defending champion Andy Roddick in the semi-finals of the Artois Championships.

Roddick had triumphed at Queen's in four of the last five years and was seeking a record fifth title, but was no match for the French Open champion on centre court.

One break of serve in each set was enough to give Nadal a 7-5, 6-4 victory in 87 minutes.

"It was a very important match for me against the best player at Queen's, a four-time winner and defending champion," said Nadal, who won his fourth French Open title in a row at Roland Garros just six days ago. "I'm very happy to be in the final, it's very important for me to start the grass-court season like this and to beat a specialist like Andy.

"I thought Andy was the favourite today, on grass he is a very, very good player with an amazing serve but today I played very, very well."

Roddick saved three break points in the third game of the opening set but the former US Open champion was powerless to stop a superb forehand winner down the line which gave Nadal the break in the 11th game, and the Spaniard served out after saving four break points to take the set 7-5.

Roddick again found himself facing three break points in the fifth game of the second set but looked like digging himself out of trouble. The 25-year-old American saved the first two with ease but then shanked an easy forehand into the stands to gift Nadal the break and a 3-2 lead.

This time Nadal did not need to save any break points as he served out the rest of the set to claim a memorable win over a fellow two-time Wimbledon finalist.

Nadal will face Novak Djokovic, the No2 seed, in the final tomorrow. The Serbian blew away David Nalbandian 6-1, 6-0 in the second of the afternoon's games.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jun/14/tennis3

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2008/06/14/julianfinneyG460.jpg

BigJohn
06-14-2008, 03:57 PM
Great score for Nadal. The #2 player on grass is looking good.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-14-2008, 04:01 PM
RFK, can you show me the light? It is pitch black in my room :sad:

First lesson: Admit and see that Rafa and Nole are great players and the future for a better tennis world

Once you master that we will go on to the next lesson.

Naide
06-14-2008, 04:03 PM
Ha. Ha.
Special mention for my mug :inlove:

A_Skywalker
06-14-2008, 04:03 PM
Great win Rafito

spriwi
06-14-2008, 04:04 PM
people are really retarded here :(

rafa :yeah:

alfonsojose
06-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Roddick groundies are :o He could only win point with his first serve. And that backhand. Venus would have give more trouble to Nadal. Nad Nalbandian not giving a shit against Nole :help: Sad day

alfonsojose
06-14-2008, 04:22 PM
I love Roddick's tactics, exchange backhand to Nadal's forehand's and don't bother to hit to the backhand, too good.
:lol:

groundstroke
06-14-2008, 04:26 PM
Roddick should have broken him at 6-5, that could have changed the whole match. Rafa got a bit lucky in that part.

TMJordan
06-14-2008, 04:26 PM
You the man Andy :yeah: Losing on at one of your favorite tournaments to a pigish moonballer :worship:

dsingh7
06-14-2008, 04:30 PM
Physically yes, mentally you can halve that and then divide it by 3.

LOL..Your sense of humor is classy jai...i love that

HeretiC
06-14-2008, 04:39 PM
Andy isn't 100% yet, and didn't get any match play this week. The serve was off especially in the ad court when Andy needed it, the tactics were spotty, and Andy looked at step too slow. Rafa looked good but Andy didn't play that well so it was easy for him to do whatever her wanted. If these too meet at Wimbledon it will be a different match.

If he wasn't able to beat Nadal at low bounced fast grass in Queens, he won't even have a slightest chance at high bounced slow grass at Wimbledon(especially at later stages).

Its sad that you can't see moonballing is a type of topspin.

You have outdone yourself in this thread today. Better stick to short sentenced insults you are used to...;)

rafa the best
06-14-2008, 05:02 PM
Rafa was amazing again, holding his serve so strognly, it looks impossible to break him.

All the haters here are so pathetic, can't deal with the truth that Rafa is getting better and better on EVERY surface. He feels so good on grass, he can do whatever he wants with that ball while your serving machines can just look and be amazed.

VAMOS RAFA!!!!!!!1

Merton
06-14-2008, 05:05 PM
Well done for Rafa, it seems he has hit top grass court form here which is surprising, given that this is the week right after the French Open. The match was decided in the 1st set, after Rafa broke and then Andy failed to break back when Nadal was serving for the set. The 2nd set was the grass version of their previous IW match.

Andy hopefully got enough grass practice for Wimbledon.

Scotso
06-14-2008, 05:23 PM
Rafa :yeah:

ChinoRios4Ever
06-14-2008, 05:43 PM
unreal, this Nadal :worship:

Nadal_Fanatic
06-14-2008, 07:17 PM
Man the Nadal haters are out of control here. I shouldn't even bother reading the posts as it just makes me angry at the childish remarks. Anyways great win for Rafa. Good luck tomorrow. ;)

mikkemus23
06-14-2008, 09:03 PM
very very impressive from Nadal. If JesudFed doesnt show up at Wimby, Nadal will grab it with both hands for sure. Winners from everywhere and, unlike Fed, almost no UEs. Nice.
:worship:

Jogy
06-14-2008, 10:45 PM
people are really retarded here :(

Nothing new that GlennMirnyi failing to see the light that 100 mph forehand winners are not moonballs :yeah:

leng jai
06-14-2008, 11:00 PM
If he wasn't able to beat Nadal at low bounced fast grass in Queens, he won't even have a slightest chance at high bounced slow grass at Wimbledon(especially at later stages).



You have outdone yourself in this thread today. Better stick to short sentenced insults you are used to...;)

Heretic, the guy who sits on a forum making post match threads 2 minutes before everyone else realises the match is done and then cries when people don't find his custom titles funny at all.

General Suburbia
06-15-2008, 03:07 AM
Andy actually didn't play as bad as I thought he would, if the first set is any indicator of the whole match (didn't see the second). His ground strokes are better than they were a year ago, and he didn't kamikaze to the net as much as he used to before. Unfortunately, his movement seems more sluggish, and the more than few dumb errors made cost him. Nadal was always the favorite to win in my mind.

star
06-15-2008, 03:11 AM
Heretic, the guy who sits on a forum making post match threads 2 minutes before everyone else realises the match is done and then cries when people don't find his custom titles funny at all.

Hey, for once I agree with you.

Seriously, give it a rest. And the titles aren't that witty.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-15-2008, 03:41 AM
Nothing new that GlennMirnyi failing to see the light that 100 mph forehand winners are not moonballs :yeah:

Glenn is the one of the guys who chooses to live in the darkness. Some of these people refuse to accept basic facts. Liking Federer must really mess a persons brain up.

krystlel
06-15-2008, 04:42 AM
Not much to say about this match, a slight hiccup for Nadal serving the first set out then it was routine after that.

I have to say I like Nadal's grasscourt game, in comparison to how he plays on the other surfaces. He steps in closer to the baseline, goes after his serve more and he has been hitting his forehand really well, both down-the-line as well as crosscourt.

Langers
06-15-2008, 01:57 PM
Wow, Nadal's improvement on grass has been gettig significantly better each year and he is once again a huge threat at Wimby.

EnriqueIG8
06-15-2008, 02:40 PM
Good display by Rafa but he won't win Wimbledon this year.

Sunset of Age
06-15-2008, 04:10 PM
Good display by Rafa but he won't win Wimbledon this year.

He surely has a good chance this year. He already pushed Fed real hard last year, and from what I've seen from him in Queens, he's only improved his game since. ;)

~*BGT*~
06-15-2008, 10:24 PM
Too bad for Andy :sad: Win Wimbledon Rafi. :bounce:

jcempire
06-15-2008, 11:14 PM
Well, It may go another way if they meet again

jcempire
06-15-2008, 11:16 PM
Wow, Nadal's improvement on grass has been gettig significantly better each year and he is once again a huge threat at Wimby.

He is quickly learn guy, and he is growing very fast that's no doubt about it

seljanin
06-15-2008, 11:20 PM
Too bad for Andy :sad: Win Wimbledon Rafi. :bounce:

BGT, I'm a bit disappointed reading this post. Won't you be rooting for Andy in Wimby? :awww:

~*BGT*~
06-16-2008, 05:56 AM
BGT, I'm a bit disappointed reading this post. Won't you be rooting for Andy in Wimby? :awww:

Of course I will be... but sometimes, you just have to admit when he's not one of the top faves. :sad: Andy isn't playing his best now and will need to play muuuuuuch better if he wants to beat the big 3 there. He can do it though. :rocker2:

tennizen
06-16-2008, 12:00 PM
Totally unexpected win this. I was sure Roddick was going to win this:eek:

ZakMcCrack
06-16-2008, 12:55 PM
You don't get to number 1 if you're just a big serve. Karlovic has a better serve than Roddick and he isn't top 10.

Besides, Rafa proved himself last year. He outplayed Federer, who served out of his mind to win that match.

Not only that - he also returned very well and aggressive to double-break Nadal in the fifth, didn't he.

HeretiC
06-17-2008, 08:05 AM
Heretic, the guy who sits on a forum making post match threads 2 minutes before everyone else realises the match is done and then cries when people don't find his custom titles funny at all.

If "everyone else" means you, not my fault that your realization skills are little slow and also if "people" means some frustrated adolescent (catching any resemblance?), then you must be right. That would make at last one post of yours in this whole thread where you are right about something.:wavey: