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Can Karlovic be top 10?

dweijnen
06-13-2008, 12:48 PM
Can he be top 10 if he improves his groundstrokes?

elessar
06-13-2008, 12:49 PM
God no

ChocGeek
06-13-2008, 12:51 PM
Are you kidding me?

scoobs
06-13-2008, 12:51 PM
Not without a major improvement mentally in the Grand Slams and Masters Series events, where he woefully underachieves relative to his ability to control tennis matches.

Anyone with a serve like that who loses 3 years in a row at Wimbledon first round has some problems.

guille&tati4life
06-13-2008, 12:51 PM
If he quickly improves his record in slams then yes, worryingly enough he could be.

Spes
06-13-2008, 12:52 PM
If he quickly improves his record in slams then yes, worryingly enough he could be.

What he said.

leng jai
06-13-2008, 12:55 PM
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he makes top 10 at some stage.

Ivanatis
06-13-2008, 12:56 PM
If Ljubicic can be Top5, Karlovic can definitely be Top10.

And as serve is a major part of this game, there's nothing worrying at all.

guille&tati4life
06-13-2008, 12:58 PM
If Ljubicic can be Top5, Karlovic can definitely be Top10.

And as serve is a major part of this game, there's nothing worrying at all.

I find it worrying cos it bores me, that's all.

alfonsojose
06-13-2008, 12:59 PM
Sadly, yes :unsure: :bolt:

miura
06-13-2008, 01:02 PM
He lacks concistency. On the other hand, Nadal's in trouble :)

Ivanatis
06-13-2008, 01:02 PM
I find it worrying cos it bores me, that's all.

no problem, that's an argument

I personally just find it inappropriate to say that he does not belong to the top10 as he's serve only

if he gets there, he deserves it; it is that simple

Jelena
06-13-2008, 01:09 PM
no problem, that's an argument

I personally just find it inappropriate to say that he does not belong to the top10 as he's serve only

if he gets there, he deserves it; it is that simple
compared to some years ago Ivo already improved his groundstrokes. They still aren't really top class, but some years ago he really didn't have anything than serve. :shrug:

Henry Chinaski
06-13-2008, 01:12 PM
He's bound to break in some stage with a good run at a slam or masters. Look at the jump warwrinka made with a good showing in Rome. The gap between 8 and 20 can't ever have been so small.

He'll never be established there because he can lose to any player in the top 200 in 2 breakers on any given day.

Mario000
06-13-2008, 01:13 PM
Sure he can

ASP0315
06-13-2008, 01:15 PM
his groundstrokes are ok. But he fitness and his bh are his major weaknesses. if he manges to hire a good fitness trainer and finds to improve his bh he will touch top 10.(but not top 5.)
Serve is excellent and he holds the serves 94 % of the time.

Branimir
06-13-2008, 01:49 PM
No he is not top10 quality.
saiprakash0315, who is that player in your avatar?

Spes
06-13-2008, 01:51 PM
His backhand volley is sick; sign of a true champion.

Frederick16
06-13-2008, 01:54 PM
i really like it that ivo isnt even walking to all the balls rafa is hitting in his own serve game. he is making his kill in the tb :devil:

Ivo#1Fan
06-13-2008, 02:55 PM
He's bound to break in some stage with a good run at a slam or masters. Look at the jump warwrinka made with a good showing in Rome. The gap between 8 and 20 can't ever have been so small.

He'll never be established there because he can lose to any player in the top 200 in 2 breakers on any given day.

I totally agree. He's bound to eventually have a run in some major tournament. It's got to happen at some point. But I agree he won't be able to stay there consistently. I think 15-20 is right around where he really belongs long term. He is more vulnerable to lower players than a lot of top 20 players are, but he's also more dangerous to players ranked above him.

MacTheKnife
06-13-2008, 03:04 PM
his groundstrokes are ok. But he fitness and his bh are his major weaknesses. if he manges to hire a good fitness trainer and finds to improve his bh he will touch top 10.(but not top 5.)
Serve is excellent and he holds the serves 94 % of the time.

I don't totally agree with the groundstroke point. His GS's are OK at times, but in critical situations he pushes the ball to much and is not willing to take chances. Movement is a problem as you pointed out, but he could have won this match today if he was wiling to take more chances instead of just trying to push the ball in play. The few times he did take chances, he won the points. A couple of those blistering returns were awesome, just not enough of them to put real pressure on the the Nadal serve.

HNCS
06-13-2008, 03:06 PM
for the love of tennis, NO. please no. never.

TMJordan
06-13-2008, 03:08 PM
If the whole year was played on super fast courts than yeah. But it's not. So no.

Stillman
06-13-2008, 03:12 PM
I think can.If he will serve as today he can win most of top 20 players.
Ivo must work only on his backhand,because him opponents use this tactics play to his backhand.

Horatio Caine
06-13-2008, 03:16 PM
No.

The barrier is usually set at around 1800 points, and I think that, at best, he'd settle a few hundred points behind that. I expect more of him in the Slams, but really I think he will struggle to go too deep in the Masters events.

octatennis
06-13-2008, 03:18 PM
obviously he can and this is the year to reach it.

dam0dred
06-13-2008, 03:41 PM
If James Blake got there, then yes he most certainly can.

arm
06-13-2008, 03:52 PM
I HOPE NOT.

His game is the ugliest on tour.. :scared:

He has such and ugly game that I found myself cheering for Nadal... :shrug:

jcempire
06-13-2008, 05:02 PM
Absolute NO

jcempire
06-13-2008, 05:03 PM
If James Blake got there, then yes he most certainly can.

Are you kidding me???????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

Tommy Robredo has been there before and Canas could do it too, why not James can be there today

But Karlovic absolute no way

LleytonMonfils
06-13-2008, 05:06 PM
It isn't likely but to say it is completely impossible would be foolish.

Fedex
06-13-2008, 05:31 PM
Can he be top 10 if he improves his groundstrokes?

:haha: :rolls:

I would think that by now, Karlovic has improved his ground game as much as he possibly can. Tennis players tend to stop improving by age 29.

Stupidest topic of the day by far.

Mashachosen1
06-13-2008, 05:35 PM
Sure he can :silence:

tangerine_dream
06-13-2008, 05:36 PM
I sure hope not.

Il Primo Uomo
06-13-2008, 05:37 PM
Anybody's in the top10 these odd days.. With his freakum serve he can perform well in SW19, and then crack the elite. Who knows? Oneday, he'll actually start winning TB against Federer and co.

Ivo#1Fan
06-13-2008, 06:03 PM
:haha: :rolls:

I would think that by now, Karlovic has improved his ground game as much as he possibly can. Tennis players tend to stop improving by age 29.

Stupidest topic of the day by far.

One can always improve, but I do agree that basically at this point he needs to win with what he's got...and I do think he's got enough game to do it. He just needs a bit of luck, both in draws and in close matches at this point.

Fedex
06-13-2008, 06:09 PM
One can always improve, but I do agree that basically at this point he needs to win with what he's got...and I do think he's got enough game to do it. He just needs a bit of luck, both in draws and in close matches at this point.

He's done improving as a tennis player. He just is. Tennis players don't improve their games at age 29. It doesn't happen.

His results could improve for a many number of reasons, but not really due to overall improvement in his actual game.

Ivo#1Fan
06-13-2008, 06:15 PM
He's done improving as a tennis player. He just is. Tennis players don't improve their games at age 29. It doesn't happen.

His results could improve for a many number of reasons, but not really due to overall improvement in his actual game.

Trust me, he's got room for improvement in his game. Even in the past year he's shown much greater ability and willingness to come over his backhand during rallies (although it could still get much better). He's got a ton of room for improvement in his 2nd serve as well. I agree that 29 is not a point when pro players are improving, but Ivo is a very unusual case. He's very much of a late bloomer in most areas of his game, and mobility and foot speed are very minor parts of his game, so don't expect him to decline a lot soon. Based on Ivo's playing style I think he can stay very competitive late into his 30's barring injury. Guys whose games are based on speed and mental tenacity (Wilander, Chang, etc) drop quickly. But I believe that Ivo's game will age remarkably well as long as they don't slow the courts down any further. I'm really not expecting to see much more improvement, but it is possible. I do think he'll have a great run and approach a top 10 ranking for at least a little while at some point.

Fedex
06-13-2008, 06:20 PM
Trust me, he's got room for improvement in his game. Even in the past year he's shown much greater ability and willingness to come over his backhand during rallies (although it could still get much better). He's got a ton of room for improvement in his 2nd serve as well. I agree that 29 is not a point when pro players are improving, but Ivo is a very unusual case. He's very much of a late bloomer in most areas of his game, and mobility and foot speed are very minor parts of his game, so don't expect him to decline a lot soon. I'm really not expecting to see much more improvement, but it is possible.

You do make an interesting case about him being a late bloomer. You're probably spot on with that, because big guys do typically take longer to develop than everyone else. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I guess we'll see. Karlovic is never out of a match with that first serve he possesses. His serve is easily the most dominant I've ever seen and that includes Goran.

Hugh Jaas
06-13-2008, 07:37 PM
You do make an interesting case about him being a late bloomer. You're probably spot on with that, because big guys do typically take longer to develop than everyone else. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I guess we'll see. Karlovic is never out of a match with that first serve he possesses. His serve is easily the most dominant I've ever seen and that includes Goran.

the difference is that ivos highlights are MM tournament wins such as houston and Nottingham GORAN won wimbledon.

Roddickominator
06-13-2008, 08:26 PM
Ivo takes so little pounding on his body because of his style of play....he could keep going until his late 30's without a significant dropoff in skill. I doubt he'll ever make the Top 10, but as some said, if James Blake and Ljubicic can make it, who's to say Karlovic can't?

ASP0315
06-13-2008, 08:40 PM
another classic example Greg Rusedski and Mark Phillipousis who has average baseline games after serve.
they can reach top 10 why not karlovic.

oh yeah james blake has nothing much other than forehand but he is still a top 10.(he hasn't won any TMS or GS event. )
same with ljubicic and Ancic.

RickDaStick
06-13-2008, 09:12 PM
top 10 what?

Stillman
06-13-2008, 10:49 PM
another classic example Greg Rusedski and Mark Phillipousis who has average baseline games after serve.
they can reach top 10 why not karlovic.

oh yeah james blake has nothing much other than forehand but he is still a top 10.(he hasn't won any TMS or GS event. )
same with ljubicic and Ancic.

I think in match Karlo Blake james have no chanches,because blake can't break and no have very good serve(for example Anreas Bek do 2 breaks).