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Queens R3: www Murray vs. Gulbis

Manon
06-11-2008, 03:43 PM
It should be the match!

ASP0315
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
i wouldn't be suprised if murray loses it.

Clay Death
06-11-2008, 04:29 PM
i wouldn't be suprised if murray chooses to tank the match like he did last year.

tough call. i will take Gulbis in 3.

Clydey
06-11-2008, 04:31 PM
Murray in 3. He hasn't had much singles play on grass, so I doubt it'll be smooth. I like Gulbis' game, too. Seems suited to grass. Still, I think Andy will come out on top in 3 close sets.

jcempire
06-11-2008, 04:54 PM
Easy, Murray take it

Vida
06-11-2008, 05:07 PM
Wild guess - Murray 76(3) 64

QuicKyMonSter
06-11-2008, 05:08 PM
poll?
I say Gulbis in 3.

tennizen
06-11-2008, 06:58 PM
I think Murray in 3

qczi
06-11-2008, 07:04 PM
murray in 2

HeretiC
06-11-2008, 07:12 PM
How about a pool? Gulbis in 2.

Corey Feldman
06-11-2008, 07:23 PM
We know what a midget Muzza becomes against fellow young guns

so i'm expecting a defeat

~*BGT*~
06-11-2008, 07:28 PM
Ernesto.

scoobs
06-11-2008, 07:29 PM
i wouldn't be suprised if murray chooses to tank the match like he did last year.
Which match was this?

It wasn't any match against Gulbis - they have never played.

It wasn't any match at Queens - Andy was out with his wrist injury.

Care to clarify?

I think Andy may struggle a bit - the Grosjean retirement may not have worked to his advantage, although he has had 2 doubles matches too.

But 3 sets should see him home.

Duncan
06-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Murray in 2.

Will be tight though

jazar
06-11-2008, 07:33 PM
come on gulbis

Clydey
06-11-2008, 07:37 PM
come on gulbis

Sad.

Herdwick
06-11-2008, 07:45 PM
Andy - you're going to have your work cut out. Was impressed with Gulbis at RG and enjoyed his game. He has guts too so not much home hope here.

Clydey
06-11-2008, 07:47 PM
Andy - you're going to have your work cut out. Was impressed with Gulbis at RG and enjoyed his game. He has guts too so not much home hope here.

I think it will be close, but I'd hardly say Gulbis is the favourite. If Murray plays well, he'll win. If he doesn't, he'll lose.

And with him, you never know how he'll play.

liadela
06-11-2008, 08:51 PM
I think it will be close, but I'd hardly say Gulbis is the favourite. If Murray plays well, he'll win. If he doesn't, he'll lose.

And with him, you never know how he'll play.

I agree completely but I think Murray is too unpredictable day to day. I'll go with Gulbis in 3.

rocketassist
06-11-2008, 09:01 PM
Time for Erno to get a big win over a top player (Boredo is a mediocre crap player) and I think he may just do it here. :rocker:

The_Beast
06-11-2008, 09:09 PM
Something like: 7-5 4-6 7-6 for Murray :)

Manon
06-11-2008, 09:30 PM
2-1 Murray. I like them both though but a bit more Andy.

MatchFederer
06-11-2008, 10:33 PM
Hopefully Gulbis!

Gulbis in 3.

star
06-11-2008, 11:19 PM
Ernests!!Gulbis

Vamos!

PinkFeatherBoa
06-11-2008, 11:24 PM
I hope Gulbis will prevail but he hasn't really being playing that well this tournament, especially today against Seppi (hissy fits and all- the middle aged women behind me even cheered when he was given a code violation for racket abuse! :tape: ) he was missing a lot of returns, even on Seppi's weak 2nd serves.

But then he hasn't needed to play that well to get through, so hopefully he's prime for the Murray roasting tomorrow. I shall go watch if I can't find a Court 1 ticket holder to swap with, so hope for an interesting match.

ASP0315
06-11-2008, 11:30 PM
Which match was this?

It wasn't any match against Gulbis - they have never played.

It wasn't any match at Queens - Andy was out with his wrist injury.

Care to clarify?

I think Andy may struggle a bit - the Grosjean retirement may not have worked to his advantage, although he has had 2 doubles matches too.

But 3 sets should see him home.

I think it was in 2006. he lost to tiparasevic.
But anyway britons really didn't have much success here in the past but done decently in wimbledon. Henman always used to have mediocore sucess here but at wimbledon he usually reached atleast quarterfinals.(four semifinals.)

i think gulbis should win this ;)

Clydey
06-11-2008, 11:38 PM
I think it was in 2006. he lost to tiparasevic.
But anyway britons really didn't have much success here in the past but done decently in wimbledon. Henman always used to have mediocore sucess here but at wimbledon he usually reached atleast quarterfinals.(four semifinals.)

i think gulbis should win this ;)

I think Murray will win, but I've just bet £10 on Gulbis at bet365.com. That way I won't be too disappointed if Murray loses. I'll get £30 back ;)

PinkFeatherBoa
06-11-2008, 11:41 PM
Henman was a 3 times finalist at Queens, his results there weren't really that mediocre!

ASP0315
06-11-2008, 11:46 PM
I think Murray will win, but I've just bet £10 on Gulbis at bet365.com. That way I won't be too disappointed if Murray loses. I'll get £30 back ;)

bet-fair odds seem to be pretty stronger than bet365.
gulbis - murray 3.6 - 1.37

bet365
gulbis - murray 2/1 to 4/11
that weak. gulbis should get atleast 4/1. considering this is grass

elessar
06-11-2008, 11:49 PM
Great server against a great returner = always an entertaining match-up

Hope Muzza can win this on, I want him to get some matches under his belt before wimbledon.

rocketassist
06-11-2008, 11:49 PM
Erno needs to be patient to do it. If Muzza gets his serves back in court, then I wouldn't bank on him winning the point, unless he takes more care and doesn't whack the ball like 3 metres behind Murray's baseline like he has the tendency to do sometimes :o

Corey Feldman
06-11-2008, 11:50 PM
Where is NinaNina the trator ?? i wanna know who she is supporting here

Ernests!!Gulbis

Vamos!just when i think you cant get any more annoying ...

Clydey
06-11-2008, 11:51 PM
bet-fair odds seem to be pretty stronger than bet365.
gulbis - murray 3.6 - 1.37

bet365
gulbis - murray 2/1 to 4/11
that weak. gulbis should get atleast 4/1. considering this is grass

Bah. I should have done some research. I already had an account with bet365 to watch livematches that aren;ton tv, so I was lazy and just bet with them. Rookie mistake :mad:

Clydey
06-11-2008, 11:53 PM
Where is NinaNina the trator ?? i wanna know who she is supporting here

just when i think you cant get any more annoying ...

You know Nina's all about Muzzah. If not, off with her head, I say.

ASP0315
06-11-2008, 11:57 PM
Henman was a 3 times finalist at Queens, his results there weren't really that mediocre!

3 time finalist actually. 99, 2001, 2002.(he did get beat by good players i admit. hewtitt x2 and sampras.) 2 semifinals, 2 QFs
but lost 1st or 2nd 7 times.(in 14 appearences)
it is average. not that medicore but still he should have atleast won one or two times here imo.

But he had good success in indoors and hard courts.
:cool:

i always enjoyed him playing though.

Henry Chinaski
06-11-2008, 11:59 PM
Murray will win easily. And this is the last week I can enjoy him winning because he'll win Queens have a good run at Wimbledon, the Brit bandwagon will be unbearable and I'll be forced to hate him.

ASP0315
06-12-2008, 12:00 AM
Erno needs to be patient to do it. If Muzza gets his serves back in court, then I wouldn't bank on him winning the point, unless he takes more care and doesn't whack the ball like 3 metres behind Murray's baseline like he has the tendency to do sometimes :o

good point

Bernard Black
06-12-2008, 12:35 AM
Murray will win easily. And this is the last week I can enjoy him winning because he'll win Queens have a good run at Wimbledon, the Brit bandwagon will be unbearable and I'll be forced to hate him.

Hahaha, I hope you're right. :worship:

Clydey
06-12-2008, 12:39 AM
Murray will win easily. And this is the last week I can enjoy him winning because he'll win Queens have a good run at Wimbledon, the Brit bandwagon will be unbearable and I'll be forced to hate him.

I hope they don't go overboard. I've learned to try and not judge players/football teams by the media hype they get. It has a tendency to really put me off.

Henry Chinaski
06-12-2008, 01:03 AM
I try too but I fail every time.

I can just picture Andrew Castle interviewing him on court after beating Roddick in couple of days time telling him that he's almost certainly guaranteed to win Wimbledon.

Zhihong
06-12-2008, 01:32 AM
I'm thinking this will go three sets, with Murray imploding in the 3rd set after making a couple bad shots, but Gulbis will then fail to serve it out and lose in the end.

crude oil
06-12-2008, 01:44 AM
cmon gulbis.

NinaNina19
06-12-2008, 03:45 AM
You know Nina's all about Muzzah. If not, off with her head, I say.

I always support Andy :hug:

Andi-M
06-12-2008, 04:06 AM
Either Muzza in 2 easier than everyone thinks or not. :p

Knightmace
06-12-2008, 08:10 AM
Gulbis

Acer
06-12-2008, 08:37 AM
Tough to call. I'm going with Murray, specially if the tennis Gods decided to curse Gulbis with a bad serving day.

finishingmove
06-12-2008, 09:15 AM
there's no way murray is winning this

safin-rules-no.1
06-12-2008, 09:31 AM
Gulbis will win - 6/1 - 6/0. Either that or Murray will retire injured (fingers crossed) :D

Horatio Caine
06-12-2008, 10:27 AM
3 time finalist actually. 99, 2001, 2002.(he did get beat by good players i admit. hewtitt x2 and sampras.) 2 semifinals, 2 QFs
but lost 1st or 2nd 7 times.(in 14 appearences)
it is average. not that medicore but still he should have atleast won one or two times here imo.

That is average?! Not sure when he should have won here...Sampras and Hewitt were in their prime on each occasion he reached the final.

And no, Gulbis doesn't deserve higher odds just because this is a grass court...if he serves well, Muzza won't get all that many chances to break. Think about it.

ASP0315
06-12-2008, 12:32 PM
That is average?! Not sure when he should have won here...Sampras and Hewitt were in their prime on each occasion he reached the final.

And no, Gulbis doesn't deserve higher odds just because this is a grass court...if he serves well, Muzza won't get all that many chances to break. Think about it.
henman won TMS paris in 2003 defeating Roddick and federer on the way.(Roddick and Federer were at thier prime.) ;)
Also he beat Federer in several occasions at indoors.(he defeated him in basel,vienna and rotterdam. three of the times federer was great form.
He also defeated Roddick three times.(once in washington where he ended roddick's hard court winning streak and eventually ended up winning that. Once in indian wells and once in paris.)

Well i said his performance is good on indoors and outdoor hard courts. But on grass his performance isn't it. (For someone who reached as high as world number 4, he should have done a bit better at Queens imo. If he was able to defeat federer and roddick at their primes i don't see why he wasn't able to defeat hewitt and sampras. ;) )
therefore imo it is an average performance at queens imo. ;)

As for the second part. gulbis got higher odds on bet-fair but not on bet365. 2/1 is very weak imo.
4/1 sounds pretty good.

betfair gave gulbis 3.6 to murrays 1.37 which sounds fair.

maria_marie
06-12-2008, 02:07 PM
I say Ernesto in 2 tight sets or 3 sets

Clydey
06-12-2008, 02:16 PM
I say Ernesto in 2 tight sets or 3 sets

He got a BP from a shot that was flying out. Bit of bad luck for Murray there. Gulbis serving for the first set after the trainer is done with Murray. Thumb injury.

Bazooka
06-12-2008, 02:26 PM
Gulbis won 1st set... with only 63% 1st serve in. If he raises that a little, he will win in two as I expected.

Bazooka
06-12-2008, 02:31 PM
I think Gulbis will make the final. He's better than I thought, definitely.

Ivanatis
06-12-2008, 02:35 PM
He got a BP from a shot that was flying out. Bit of bad luck for Murray there. Gulbis serving for the first set after the trainer is done with Murray. Thumb injury.


Gulbis won 1st set... with only 63% 1st serve in. If he raises that a little, he will win in two as I expected.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=7182665

Clydey
06-12-2008, 02:36 PM
Gulbis won 1st set... with only 63% 1st serve in. If he raises that a little, he will win in two as I expected.

He won the first set because of a shot that was fying out and Murray couldn't get out of the way of it.

Bazooka
06-12-2008, 02:57 PM
He won the first set because of a shot that was fying out and Murray couldn't get out of the way of it.

And was spanked in the second... I suck at predictions.

However, your statement is untrue, no one wins or loses a set because of a ball, and if you can't get out of its way, maybe you should have moved elsewhere before :P

tangerine_dream
06-12-2008, 03:00 PM
That was a nasty fall Andy took in that last game. Sustained a groin injury, trainer's working on him now.

Manon
06-12-2008, 03:01 PM
Bad news...really nasty fall.

Clydey
06-12-2008, 03:01 PM
And was spanked in the second... I suck at predictions.

However, your statement is untrue, no one wins or loses a set because of a ball, and if you can't get out of its way, maybe you should have moved elsewhere before :P

Obviously it wasn't just because of that. Gulbis played well.

That aside, I'm begging to think the grass at Queens is unplayable. There's going to be a serius injury soon. Both Gulbis and Murray have been slipping and Andy's looks serious. He went over badly a few minutes ago.

ASP0315
06-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Obviously it wasn't just because of that. Gulbis played well.

That aside, I'm begging to think the grass at Queens is unplayable. There's going to be a serius injury soon. Both Gulbis and Murray have been slipping and Andy's looks serious. He went over badly a few minutes ago.

Grass is slippery but
that is due to rain drizzle actually.
When there is no rain it plays perfectly fine.

Today is bad day at queens. i bet it safe for the organizers to postpone the rest of the unstarted matches until tommorow.

krystlel
06-12-2008, 03:03 PM
Yes, it's concerning how often both Murray and Gulbis have slipped in this match.

Manon
06-12-2008, 03:05 PM
Grass and rain = dreadful combination.

ASP0315
06-12-2008, 03:09 PM
not a very best quality match but the drop shots are making this match very exiting.

Henry Chinaski
06-12-2008, 03:12 PM
As I posted in the livescores thread:

there's fuck all wrong with murray. he got a fright because he fell awkwardly and he instinctively screamed like a bitch. he had to take the timeout to save face.

Clydey
06-12-2008, 03:17 PM
As I posted in the livescores thread:

there's fuck all wrong with murray. he got a fright because he fell awkwardly and he instinctively screamed like a bitch. he had to take the timeout to save face.

You're right. That wasn't an awkward fall. He premeditated the whole thing.

Henry Chinaski
06-12-2008, 03:18 PM
can you read?

Clydey
06-12-2008, 03:21 PM
can you read?

Yeah, but you seem to be suggesting that it was awkward, but at the same time wasn't. And that his scream was premeditated.

Clay Death
06-12-2008, 03:32 PM
Yes, it's concerning how often both Murray and Gulbis have slipped in this match.


grass. not even suitable for cows anymore. what a joke to play on this pathetic surface.

the bloody Brits. they just cant get out stone ages.

Clydey
06-12-2008, 03:34 PM
grass. not even suitable for cows anymore. what a joke to play on this pathetic surface.

the bloody Brits. they just cant get out stone ages.

What were you saying about Gulbis taking out Murray? :D

How about that backhand pass on BP? Still, Gulbis should have done more with the overhead.

DDrago2
06-12-2008, 03:41 PM
there's no way murray is winning this

i know what you mean - djokovic is much better than murray so since djokovic had much troubles with gulbis, murray will certainly lose - expecialy since he has some pain in hand

Henry Chinaski
06-12-2008, 03:46 PM
Yeah, but you seem to be suggesting that it was awkward, but at the same time wasn't. And that his scream was premeditated.

huh?

I said he screamed "instinctively". That's pretty much the polar opposite of premeditated. I said the fall was awkward and that it would have frightened a guy so used to injuring himself on court.

My statement is pretty unambiguous. He got a fright but he wasn't injured. And the fact that he went onto win the set without facing a break point would suggest that I was right. Unless you believe these ATP trainers are miracle workers.

Clydey
06-12-2008, 04:04 PM
huh?

I said he screamed "instinctively". That's pretty much the polar opposite of premeditated. I said the fall was awkward and that it would have frightened a guy so used to injuring himself on court.

My statement is pretty unambiguous. He got a fright but he wasn't injured. And the fact that he went onto win the set without facing a break point would suggest that I was right. Unless you believe these ATP trainers are miracle workers.

I'm not suggesting that they are miracle workers. They do help, though. Most players who call the trainer actually finish the match. It doesn't mean he was dragging it out just because he called the trainer.