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Andy Murray: Still Hasn't Reached A Grand Slam QF..

Jaffas85
06-09-2008, 11:26 AM
Novak Djokovic has reached the QF stage or better of 6 Grand Slam tournaments.

Marcos Baghdatis has reached the QF stage or better of 3 Grand Slam tournaments.

Richard Gasquet has reached the QF stage or better of 1 Grand Slam tournament (SF of Wimbledon 07').

Tomas Berdych has reached the QF stage or better of 1 Grand Slam tournament (QF of Wimbledon 07').

And even the unpredictable Gael Monfils has reached the QF stage or better of 1 Grand Slam tournament (SF of French Open 08').

So, all of the young talented players "to watch" have all at least reached one Grand Slam QF yet Andy Murray (who it was once thought would be the one to break out instead of Djokovic) hasn't even reached one QF and his Grand Slam results so far more so reflect that of a "journeyman".

Although his wrist injury last year is to blame for him missing two Grand Slam tournaments (French Open and Wimbledon) and disallowed him from being properly prepared for the U.S. Open isn't it still a little disappointing that Murray, who has been Top 10 and could potentially be Top 5 with his quality game, is still yet to make that critical breakthrough to the last 8 of a major tournament?

Is he potentially at risk of becoming a player similar to Paul Henri Mathieu? As in, someone that is very talented yet won't transition into being a credible contender at the majors?

Also, what Grand Slam do you see him reaching his first Grand Slam QF and why?

Thanks.

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 11:28 AM
Best time of the season ahead for Murray, no need to worry.

With a favourable draw he could make the quarters at either Wimbledon or the U.S. Open...hopefully both.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 11:29 AM
Hopefully Wimbledon, US Open this year, preferably both.

Time for Mr Murray to man up at the slams and show he can play the big boy matches.

krystlel
06-09-2008, 11:32 AM
I'm thinking most likely Wimbledon as long as he doesn't get a difficult draw.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 11:35 AM
I'm thinking most likely Wimbledon as long as he doesn't get a difficult draw.
Time he started to get through difficult draws, really...

leng jai
06-09-2008, 11:41 AM
With a cupcake draw anyone decent can get to a QF of a slam. I like how theres no option after 2009.

krystlel
06-09-2008, 11:43 AM
Time he started to get through difficult draws, really...
Yes I was thinking, what would be a difficult draw anyway if he got a 9-12 seeding before the QFs as in there wouldn't be anyone where you would fully expect him to lose to. Roddick would be the most difficult and that's still a very winnable match, and maybe if Gasquet were to start playing well again.

Looking at the seedings, it looks like there is a lot less depth on grass than on the other surfaces - Ferrer, Blake, Davydenko, Wawrinka aren't particularly strong on it but the latter two is irrelevant in terms of the draw since they can't play against each other. Then there are a number of players that are not in form.

TankingTheSet
06-09-2008, 11:58 AM
:haha: No option for "none".

Original poster forces anyone that participates in the poll to admit that Murray will reach a Grand Slam QF within a year. :haha:

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 12:04 PM
:haha: No option for "none".

Original poster forces anyone that participates in the poll to admit that Murray will reach a Grand Slam QF within a year. :haha:

Never in doubt. You can put your mortgage on bankable Murray.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 12:07 PM
Hence my no vote.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 02:04 PM
I'll bet Leng Jai's granny on Murray making a slam QF in the next 4.

;)

Sean.J.S.
06-09-2008, 02:05 PM
US Open...maybe :shrug:

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 02:17 PM
He will be 9-11 seed at Wimbledon, Who will beat him before then? Maybe Ancic or some unranked player but other than that who will he lose to? Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Gasquet? On grass?

scarecrows
06-09-2008, 02:22 PM
He will be 9-11 seed at Wimbledon, Who will beat him before then? Maybe Ancic or some unranked player but other than that who will he lose to? Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Gasquet? On grass?

:hatoff: at your unshakable optimism

Herdwick
06-09-2008, 02:23 PM
We know this only too well and are about to be reminded of it non-stop for the next 4 weeks. On current form I agree the situation is unlikely to change. Happy now?

Please stop rubbing it in.

GuiroNl
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
I would like to vote US Open 2009 but since it's not possible I voted AO2009

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 02:40 PM
He will be 9-11 seed at Wimbledon, Who will beat him before then? Maybe Ancic or some unranked player but other than that who will he lose to? Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Gasquet? On grass?

Aww, Nina, such a true fan :hug:

You're right, Murray will definitely be tough to beat. I think people forget after the clay, just how good he is on fast courts.

shotgun
06-09-2008, 03:07 PM
I agree his current record in the big events (not only Slams, but also TMS) is weak for a top 10 player, but he still has plenty of time to change that, and I believe he will soon enough.

zcess81
06-09-2008, 03:08 PM
He will be 9-11 seed at Wimbledon, Who will beat him before then? Maybe Ancic or some unranked player but other than that who will he lose to? Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Gasquet? On grass?

You said it, all those are more than capable of beating Murray on grass.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 03:13 PM
He will be 9-11 seed at Wimbledon, Who will beat him before then? Maybe Ancic or some unranked player but other than that who will he lose to? Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Gasquet? On grass?

Yep all those guys can beat Murray plus you can add Haas, Bagdhatis, Hewitt and a few others.

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 03:14 PM
You guys just love to hurt my feelings :sad: .

rocketassist
06-09-2008, 03:17 PM
Mugdatis is injured or has been coming back from an injury.

What's the betting even Del Pony makes a QF before Murray?

Two of the 'second group' in Gulbis and Tsonga have also made QFs.

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 03:23 PM
Mugdatis is injured or has been coming back from an injury.

What's the betting even Del Pony makes a QF before Murray?

Two of the 'second group' in Gulbis and Tsonga have also made QFs.

Tsonga is 2 years older than Andy.

ivanban
06-09-2008, 03:24 PM
:haha: No option for "none".

Original poster forces anyone that participates in the poll to admit that Murray will reach a Grand Slam QF within a year. :haha:

Yeah, my thoughts exactly :o

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 03:25 PM
Andy Murray will make the QF at Wimbledon, I will bet my account on it.

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 03:26 PM
You said it, all those are more than capable of beating Murray on grass.

Yep all those guys can beat Murray plus you can add Haas, Bagdhatis, Hewitt and a few others.
Yeah, because we all know how in form and physically fit all of these players are at the moment. You just had to mention Haas too:rolleyes:.

rocketassist
06-09-2008, 03:26 PM
Tsonga is 2 years older than Andy.

Tsonga had 2 seasons of injury, so he ends up in the bracket with Gulbis, Bolelli, Cilic, Korolev, Zverev, Young and Bellucci.

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 03:29 PM
Tsonga had 2 seasons of injury, so he ends up in the bracket with Gulbis, Bolelli, Cilic, Korolev, Zverev, Young and Bellucci.

Murray had one season of injury. This was the season in which he made the SF at 2 TMS and reached number 8 in the world.

IAMlegend
06-09-2008, 03:29 PM
Djokovic was the first of the bunch to do some hardcore physical training. That paid up nicely for him. How about a year and a half ago Monfils did the same. Now after all these injuries, watch his form take off. Murray got manhandled by Tsonga at the AO, time to hit the weight room, perhaps? Same can be said of Gasquet--some hardcore physical military type training to toughen him up (Even though he did make the semi at wimby).

scoobs
06-09-2008, 03:30 PM
No point having an argument about it - we'll see if he will or he won't.

Most of this kind of a debate is based on pure illogic and gut feelings.

rocketassist
06-09-2008, 03:31 PM
He ought to do it at Wimbledon or the US Open but his seeding needs to be improved upon this week.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 03:31 PM
Djokovic was the first of the bunch to do some hardcore physical training. That paid up nicely for him. How about a year and a half ago Monfils did the same. Now after all these injuries, watch his form take off. Murray got manhandled by Tsonga at the AO, time to hit the weight room, perhaps? Same can be said of Gasquet--some hardcore physical military type training to toughen him up (Even though he did make the semi at wimby).
Murray hits the gym and the weights room regularly, as it happens.

IAMlegend
06-09-2008, 03:32 PM
Tsonga had 2 seasons of injury, so he ends up in the bracket with Gulbis, Bolelli, Cilic, Korolev, Zverev, Young and Bellucci.

Tsonga's injuries began right after he turned pro. Even when he'd make an appearance on the pro circuit he was never quite healthy. Two years might be underestimating it.

NinaNina19
06-09-2008, 03:33 PM
Djokovic was the first of the bunch to do some hardcore physical training. That paid up nicely for him. How about a year and a half ago Monfils did the same. Now after all these injuries, watch his form take off. Murray got manhandled by Tsonga at the AO, time to hit the weight room, perhaps? Same can be said of Gasquet--some hardcore physical military type training to toughen him up (Even though he did make the semi at wimby).
You know what Murray's training regime is like.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 03:33 PM
One thing I do expect is for Murray to serve-volley a lot more this grasscourt season than he has done in the past - he's a lot happier at the net nowadays and I like it because it encourages him to be the aggressor more.

IAMlegend
06-09-2008, 03:41 PM
You know what Murray's training regime is like.

Last summer he did some hard work with Michael Johnson (200/400 meter gold medalist)now working for the bbc. Improving stamina should do him good. But he'll still get pushed around--physical strength as Nadal is now showing will only be more of a premium. Time to hit the weight room hard.

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 03:51 PM
One thing I do expect is for Murray to serve-volley a lot more this grasscourt season than he has done in the past - he's a lot happier at the net nowadays and I like it because it encourages him to be the aggressor more.

I would love Murray to show big cojones and come out playing that way. I fear after a few passes though, he'll retreat into passive mode = asking for a beating on grass. Hopefully not though, we'll see.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 03:55 PM
Is Murray's volleying actually good enough to be a winning play for the majority of the match? I have only really seen his two IW matches against Haas and I gotta say his volleying wasn't that fantastic. Lets not mention the overheards, they were dismal.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 04:07 PM
Is Murray's volleying actually good enough to be a winning play for the majority of the match? I have only really seen his two IW matches against Haas and I gotta say his volleying wasn't that fantastic. Lets not mention the overheards, they were dismal.
I guess we'll see - he was hitting some superb half-volleys and volleys on the clay against Almagro but we'll see how well and how consistently he can do on the grass.

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 04:25 PM
He's reached the fourth round of Wimbledon once and has been manhandled all this year, and yet he's an absolute without question lock to defeat almost the entire top ten on grass? Included past finalists like Roddick or Nalbandian as well as Baghdatis who took Djokovic to 5 sets last year?

Also, it's tough to serve and volley when you get about 35% of your first serves in.

And are a baseliner.

Who pushes from the backcourt.

With mediocre volleys.

Strong logic in this thread.

Bazooka
06-09-2008, 04:26 PM
mmmm .... maybe in the senior circuit?

he lacks mental strenght. When he finds it, we talk about a vote.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 04:27 PM
He's reached the fourth round of Wimbledon once and has been manhandled all this year, and yet he's an absolute without question lock to defeat almost the entire top ten on grass? Included past finalists like Roddick or Nalbandian as well as Baghdatis who took Djokovic to 5 sets last year?

This is Nina we are talking about, the mightiest Murray fangirl on MTF along with Clydey.

TMJordan
06-09-2008, 04:28 PM
Never.

Murray sucks! :D

Clydey
06-09-2008, 04:42 PM
This is Nina we are talking about, the mightiest Murray fangirl on MTF along with Clydey.

:hatoff:

Seriously, I cannot see Murray not reaching the quarters at Wimbledon this year.

I love how people are talking about Nalbandian and Roddick as insurmountable obstacles, despite beating Roddick 3-0 at Wimbledon in 2006 and schooling Nalbandian in 2005 before his fitness let him down.

Andy is known to have stupid mental lapses, though. So long as he isn't drawn against someone dangerous like Gulbis, I'm confident of a quarter final appearance.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 04:45 PM
If he gets an ugly first or second round, then he could go out - Ancic is a nasty prospect for any of the high seeds.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 04:46 PM
He's reached the fourth round of Wimbledon once and has been manhandled all this year, and yet he's an absolute without question lock to defeat almost the entire top ten on grass? Included past finalists like Roddick or Nalbandian as well as Baghdatis who took Djokovic to 5 sets last year?

Also, it's tough to serve and volley when you get about 35% of your first serves in.

And are a baseliner.

Who pushes from the backcourt.

With mediocre volleys.

Strong logic in this thread.

Arguably the only correct statement you made. And I say arguably because he hasn't played the role of pusher since the Eyserric match and has stated explicitly that he will serve and volley a lot on grass. How you can call his volleys against Almagro "mediocre" is beyond me.

But hey, I'm being illogical. Murray isn't talented and has no potential :rolleyes:

Clydey
06-09-2008, 04:49 PM
If he gets an ugly first or second round, then he could go out - Ancic is a nasty prospect for any of the high seeds.

I would fancy him against Ancic if he doesn't play the role of pusher. I genuinely can't see Andy not reaching the quarters. The only thing stopping him is himself. He has silly mental lapses and occasionally refuses to take on short balls or go for hi shots. If he can maintain aggression, his potential is limitless.

Burrow
06-09-2008, 04:49 PM
This might be his year I am thinking but I hope I am wrong, very wrong.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 04:51 PM
As long as he keeps being a bottler and a baby on court, it will be hard for him.

This RG was a clear chance for a QF for him. What did he do? Bottled against Almugro the clown.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 04:52 PM
I love your bias. What has Murray done to make you so sure that he is a shoe in for the Wimbledon QF?

Murray isn't anywhere near good enough for you to say "the only thing stopping him is himself". His second serve is crap and his fitness is questionable. Already two big weaknesses there. His volleying is not that good, there are better volleyers than Murray still playing.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 04:55 PM
I love your bias. What has Murray done to make you so sure that he is a shoe in for the Wimbledon QF?

Murray isn't anywhere near good enough for you to say "the only thing stopping him is himself". His second serve is crap and his fitness is questionable. Already two big weaknesses there. His volleying is not that good, there are better volleyers than Murray still playing.

His second serve is poor, i'll grant you that. His fitness is not poor any more. You are basing that on year's gone by. Look at his five setter with Eyserric. He barely broke a sweat.

My belief is based on what I haveseen from him and the tennis he has shown he can produce. His matches vs. Nadal showed the best and worst of him. It showed how well he can play and also showed his capacity for mental lapses.

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 04:56 PM
My bad, my bad. I've seen the light. Murray is a proven champion, and absolute lock. I mean how can you bet against him with his sterling record in big events, and his clutch performances in big matches, such as when he played Gasquet last year, or got sodomized by Djokovic and Nadal? His numerous displays of aggressive, powerful tennis and his brilliant tactics to mope so much on court that it saps his opponent of energy are genius.

With huge titles like San Jose in his pocket, and a brilliant team of ex doubles coaches in his corner I'd say he's at least a lock for the final. I mean who's going to beat him. Nadal? Djokovic? Roddick? Nalbandian? Gasquet? Berdych? Ancic? Baghdatis? Stepanek? Even Hewitt? All grasscourt mugs who have achieved far less than Murray.

Hell Murray even has a winning record against Fed. I'll just proclaim him the champion right now. I really see no reason not to, I'd say the odds of him winning Wimbledon are at least 85%. 60% chance of winning without dropping a set.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 04:59 PM
Now that the guys in betfair and the gambling world have seen the light just like our pal Jimmy here, Murray's outright winner odds for Wimby are 1.01.

Never in doubt.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:00 PM
My bad, my bad. I've seen the light. Murray is a proven champion, and absolute lock. I mean how can you bet against him with his sterling record in big events, and his clutch performances in big matches, such as when he played Gasquet last year, or got sodomized by Djokovic and Nadal? His numerous displays of aggressive, powerful tennis and his brilliant tactics to mope so much on court that it saps his opponent of energy are genius.

With huge titles like San Jose in his pocket, and a brilliant team of ex doubles coaches in his corner I'd say he's at least a lock for the final. I mean who's going to beat him. Nadal? Djokovic? Roddick? Nalbandian? Gasquet? Berdych? Ancic? Baghdatis? Stepanek? Even Hewitt? All grasscourt mugs who have achieved far less than Murray.

Hell Murray even has a winning record against Fed. I'll just proclaim him the champion right now. I really see no reason not to, I'd say the odds of him winning Wimbledon are at least 85%. 60% chance of winning without dropping a set.

I don't recall saying he would win Wimbledon.

And Nadal only hammered Murray on clay. AtAO 07, Murray utterly outplayed him and lost purely because of his mental lapses.

Roddick: Murray hammered him 3-0 in 2006, at only his second Wimbledon.

Nalbandian: Schooled him for 2 sets and ran out of gas in 2005. This is 2008

Stepanek: Need I even mention hiswin against Stepanek at Wimbledon?

Hewitt: lol

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:01 PM
If Murray doesn't reach the quarters, I'll be the first to hold my hands up and admit that there's a serious problem with him.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 05:01 PM
No way, if you bet on Murray to win Wimbledon and he does you will actually lose 12 cents for every dollar you bet.

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 05:02 PM
I'm on your side dude. Murray is so good on grass he will teach cows a thing or two about the surface. The field at Wimbledon won't know what hit them.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:03 PM
I'm on your side dude. Murray is so good on grass he will teach cows a thing or two about the surface.

Way to win the argument. Besides, we'll just have to wait and see. If he doesn't reach the quarters, I'll hold my hands up. I can admit when I'm wrong.

scoobs
06-09-2008, 05:04 PM
My view is that he has the tools to be able to do so but it's time he proved he knows how to use them.

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 05:07 PM
Way to win the argument. Besides, we'll just have to wait and see. If he doesn't reach the quarters, I'll hold my hands up. I can admit when I'm wrong.

OK. Honestly I think Murray has the potential to do really good at Wimbledon whether I like him or not. I just don't see him all of a sudden beating top ten players and making a big run when he's had such a lackluster year so far.

Don't be so quick to write off Roddick and Stepanek either. Roddick has wins over Fed, Nadal, and Djoke this year and has reached the finals here twice.

Stepanek is playing great tennis on CLAY, his worst surface. He's got the perfect game for grass, and he could seriously do some damage.

Hewitt and Nalbandian, yea I don't expect much.

Maybe playing in front of his home country fans will inspire him and he'll finally live up to some of the hype, who knows, we'll have to wait and see.

ASP0315
06-09-2008, 05:07 PM
where is "none" option.
he won't reach QF in slams as long he behaves a spoiled brat on the court there is no way he will get past 4th round. I would be suprised if he even wins a TMS event.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 05:08 PM
Roddick can actually do well based purely on his serve. He is bound to have a bad serving day and if it happens against a good opponent hes fucked.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:15 PM
OK. Honestly I think Murray has the potential to do really good at Wimbledon whether I like him or not. I just don't see him all of a sudden beating top ten players and making a big run when he's had such a lackluster year so far.

Don't be so quick to write off Roddick and Stepanek either. Roddick has wins over Fed, Nadal, and Djoke this year and has reached the finals here twice.

Stepanek is playing great tennis on CLAY, his worst surface. He's got the perfect game for grass, and he could seriously do some damage.

Hewitt and Nalbandian, yea I don't expect much.

Maybe playing in front of his home country fans will inspire him and he'll finally live up to some of the hype, who knows, we'll have to wait and see.

I'm certainly not writing off Roddick. Should they meet at Queens, we'll be able to better gauge the form of the Andy's on grass. Roddick has had a good year, taking into account injuries.

As for Stepanek, his form on clay is inexplicable. I'm not sure where it came from, but he has a tendency to be up and down. He could beat Federer or he could go out to Jamie Baker. It depends on what Stepanek turns up and whether he can string performances together.

The reason I'm feeling positive about Murray is that he has finally admitted the need to be consistently aggressive. If he retreats into pusher mode, he'll get nowhere. If he does what he says and goes for his shots/comes to the net/serves and volleys, I'm confident he'll do well.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 05:16 PM
Stepanek is not that up and down. It's all about when he's healthy or injured.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:16 PM
Roddick can actually do well based purely on his serve. He is bound to have a bad serving day and if it happens against a good opponent hes fucked.

I think Roddick has improved off the ground this year. I've been surprised by his backhand this year, as it has so often been his Achilles heel.

Also, he needs to sort his tactics. As well as Gasquet played last year, Roddick could have avoided that loss if he hadn't volley to hi backhand 95% of the time.

Sofonda Cox
06-09-2008, 05:17 PM
where is the 'he will never reach a grand slam QF' option? Murray fans are delusional. Why couldn't his mother have just kept her legs shut

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:19 PM
Stepanek is not that up and down. It's all about when he's healthy or injured.

I disagree. He came back against Ferrer and he had him. He had the momentum and gave away the next service game after he got back into the 5th set.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 05:20 PM
I disagree. He came back against Ferrer and he had him. He had the momentum and gave away the next service game after he got back into the 5th set.

How many players would take Ferrer to a fifth on clay mate? He played a good match, even if he lost.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:22 PM
How many players would take Ferrer to a fifth on clay mate? He played a good match, even if he lost.

I didn't say he didn't play a good match. Murray played a good match against Nadal at AO 07. It wasn't his game that let him down, just as Stepanek's game didn't let him down against Ferrer. It was a mental lapse. Rather than Ferrer winning that 5th set, Stepanek lost it.

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 05:22 PM
With the incredibly strong field in Queens, I think that tournament is going to wind up telling us a lot about where some players stand on grass going into Wimbledon.

Clydey
06-09-2008, 05:24 PM
With the incredibly strong field in Queens, I think that tournament is going to wind up telling us a lot about where some players stand on grass going into Wimbledon.

Possibly with the exception of Nadal and maybe Djokovic. Both started slow on grass last year, but had good a great Wimbledon.

For guys like Roddick and Murray, it should definitely be a good indicator, though.

ASP0315
06-09-2008, 05:26 PM
How many players would take Ferrer to a fifth on clay mate? He played a good match, even if he lost.

Ferrer is mediocore player. he is good returner but he is very incosistent.
In case you don't know Phillip kohlscrieber spanked him 6-1 6-0 in dusseldorf.
Plus he also lost to players he should have beaten this year. he lost to Hyung Taik Lee, Augustin calleri, Fernando verdasco etc.

Yes sexy plyed a great match but taking ferrer to the fifth is not a big deal imo.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 05:29 PM
I didn't say he didn't play a good match. Murray played a good match against Nadal at AO 07. It wasn't his game that let him down, just as Stepanek's game didn't let him down against Ferrer. It was a mental lapse. Rather than Ferrer winning that 5th set, Stepanek lost it.

Usual. Steps' game is like walking on a tight rope. If he plays 2-3 unfocused points, it's gone.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 05:30 PM
Ferrer is mediocore player. he is good returner but he is very incosistent.
In case you don't know Phillip kohlscrieber spanked him 6-1 6-0 in dusseldorf.
Plus he also lost to players he should have beaten this year. he lost to Hyung Taik Lee, Augustin calleri, Fernando verdasco etc.

Yes sexy plyed a great match but taking ferrer to the fifth is not a big deal imo.

So what? Nobody plays Dusseldorf seriously except for maybe Kohlschreiber.

Ferrer is a mediocre player but on clay he's very hard to beat.

TMJordan
06-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Ferrer is mediocore player. he is good returner but he is very incosistent.
In case you don't know Phillip kohlscrieber spanked him 6-1 6-0 in dusseldorf.
Plus he also lost to players he should have beaten this year. he lost to Hyung Taik Lee, Augustin calleri, Fernando verdasco etc.

Yes sexy plyed a great match but taking ferrer to the fifth is not a big deal imo.

Ferrer is mediocore and Karlovic is amazing, right?

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Ferrer is mediocore player. he is good returner but he is very incosistent.
In case you don't know Phillip kohlscrieber spanked him 6-1 6-0 in dusseldorf.
Plus he also lost to players he should have beaten this year. he lost to Hyung Taik Lee, Augustin calleri, Fernando verdasco etc.

Yes sexy plyed a great match but taking ferrer to the fifth is not a big deal imo.

The number 5 player in the world is nothing special. He's made the semi's of a slam and the tennis masters cup final, but really since he had one or two losses to lower ranked players this completely invalidates all that.

Clay is Ferrer's best surface and Stepanek's worst. Ferrer is known for his never ending stamina and fight, and is ranked much higher than Stepanek, yet Stepanek being able to take it to a 5th set after about 4 hours of tennis. EGH, thats nothing special. Totally expected.

Godzilla is real and he just destroyed a major city? EGH, the ocean is big and deep, we really should have expected that a 15 story laser shooting monster was living deep down there. Nothing to write home about.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 05:33 PM
Just to keep things logical... 11 positions = much higher for you?

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 05:37 PM
I didn't want to actually check, I just assumed it was a larger gap than that.

JimmyV
06-09-2008, 05:42 PM
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1604/godstepho0.jpg

ASP0315
06-09-2008, 05:42 PM
So what? Nobody plays Dusseldorf seriously except for maybe Kohlschreiber.

Ferrer is a mediocre player but on clay he's very hard to beat.

yes that true is top 5 claycourter.
didn't stepanek beat him rome.?
actually i too amazed by some drop shots and volleys stepanek made ar RG. He certainly improved a lot.

ASP0315
06-09-2008, 05:57 PM
The number 5 player in the world is nothing special. He's made the semi's of a slam and the tennis masters cup final, but really since he had one or two losses to lower ranked players this completely invalidates all that.
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his record is ok 29-12 this season.(17-5 on clay) two loses came against nadal, one loss came against kohlscrieber, one against stepanek in rome , one against verdasco.
yes on clay he is world number 5.
his remaining hard court losses are against zverev,benneteau, hyung taik lee, feliciano lopez, tojo and offcourse Qf loss at Ao against djokovic.
This show his inconsistency.


Clay is Ferrer's best surface and Stepanek's worst. Ferrer is known for his never ending stamina and fight, and is ranked much higher than Stepanek, yet Stepanek being able to take it to a 5th set after about 4 hours of tennis. EGH, thats nothing special. Totally expected.
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True i agree that ferrer's best surface is clay but i disagree that clay is stepanek's worst surface. He played a lot of clay events in the past even though he had a choice to play in hard courts. But recently he improved his serve/volley under petr korda and started to play more on hard/indoor courts. He certainly not the worst on clay.
I did say stepanek played well but ferrer too made some mental mistakes which let stepanek back into the game.

its.like.that
06-09-2008, 06:05 PM
Murray is shit and will never make a QF.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2008, 06:20 PM
Murray is shit and will never make a QF.Shutit bumboy

scoobs
06-09-2008, 06:27 PM
Shutit bumboy
Do you mind?

I'm a bumboy and I don't say stupid things like that - don't lump him with me.

shotgun
06-09-2008, 06:34 PM
With the incredibly strong field in Queens, I think that tournament is going to wind up telling us a lot about where some players stand on grass going into Wimbledon.

Not necessarily. Some of the top players are only turning up for the appearance money and, besides, Queen's plays a lot faster than Wimbledon.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2008, 06:34 PM
its his nickname Scoobs.. he makes us call him that :o

scoobs
06-09-2008, 06:35 PM
its his nickname Scoobs.. he makes us call him that :o
Well he should go pick on some other minority group :)

Andi-M
06-09-2008, 11:35 PM
OK so Muzza hasnt proved himself as being a big-time player.

Before the wrist injury in 2007 he was hot and everyone thought he'd be top 5 by the end of the year. It has taken him a looooooong time to restore confidence back in his FH in fact it was only at FO this year that Ive seen him rip FH winners like he did back in early 07.

I think nows the time I really do. If he dosent make QF of Wimby or USO he will have badly underachieved.....and i would think he'd need to make some serious changes. Attitude? coach? fitness?

I agree his 2nd serve is crap, but thats the only real weakness in his game otherwise he has the most fantastic finessese, talent and power that should be in the top 5 right now.

NinaNina19
06-10-2008, 01:10 AM
He's reached the fourth round of Wimbledon once and has been manhandled all this year, and yet he's an absolute without question lock to defeat almost the entire top ten on grass? Included past finalists like Roddick or Nalbandian as well as Baghdatis who took Djokovic to 5 sets last year?

Also, it's tough to serve and volley when you get about 35% of your first serves in.

And are a baseliner.

Who pushes from the backcourt.

With mediocre volleys.

Strong logic in this thread.
:oHis volleys are good. Among the best in the top 20 thank you very much.

Merton
06-10-2008, 01:43 AM
It is only a matter of time before he does, though obviously he might fail doing so right now at Wimbledon. There are obviously players that can take hin down. We still don't know how the British hype will affect him.

GlennMirnyi
06-10-2008, 02:11 AM
:oHis volleys are good. Among the best in the top 20 thank you very much.

If by almost you mean far behind Stepanek and Federer, then maybe yes.

Bernard Black
08-21-2008, 02:15 AM
Damn, I can't believe this wasn't bumped after Wimbledon.

Anyway, I'm starting the bandwagon - Murray to reach the U.S. Open semis!

NinaNina19
08-21-2008, 02:22 AM
If by almost you mean far behind Stepanek and Federer, then maybe yes.

True, but he's still better than those other mugs.

GlennMirnyi
08-21-2008, 02:35 AM
True, but he's still better than those other mugs.

Never said otherwise. Actually Murray is probably the only one with some touch from his generation.

Henry Chinaski
08-21-2008, 02:36 AM
Tsonga and Kiefer are also better volleyers than Murray from the current top 20

GlennMirnyi
08-21-2008, 02:39 AM
Tsonga and Kiefer are also better volleyers than Murray from the current top 20

Sure, but Kiefer is from an older generation and Tsonga used to S&V, so it's kinda inevitable.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-21-2008, 03:11 AM
Serve and Volley the pansies style of tennis

Bernard Black
08-21-2008, 04:21 PM
Just hoping that the extra rest Murray got after the Olympics will have paid off. Depending on the draw he could go deep, and he has a decent shot at beating any of the top 3 if he gets that far.

Vida
08-21-2008, 04:47 PM
He will be very confident for USO. Wouldn't rule out anything.

finishingmove
08-21-2008, 05:49 PM
Andrew Moray (La: Andreas de Moravia), (died c. September 1297), also known as Andrew de Moray or Andrew of Moray, or simply Andrew Murray, was the son of a northern nobleman, who became an important military and political leader during the Anglo-Scottish conflict of the late 1290s, commonly become known as the Scottish Wars of Independence.

He was responsible for leading the rising in northern Scotland in the summer of 1297 against the rule of King Edward I of England, successfully regaining control of this area for Scotland's king, King John.

Moray later merged his forces with those of William Wallace and jointly led the combined army to victory at the Battle of Stirling Bridge, where he was mortally wounded.

Morgan Z
08-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Andreas de Moravia. :p

I love this name.

Bernard Black
09-02-2008, 10:30 AM
Well done Murray! Quarter-final number two. :)

It's time this thread title was changed to semi-final...for now.

leng jai
09-02-2008, 11:27 AM
Andy Murray: Still Hasn't Shown Us His Guns In Grand Slam QF..

Sunset of Age
09-02-2008, 06:34 PM
Andy Murray: Still Hasn't Shown Us His Guns In Grand Slam QF..

:scared: :haha:

Andi-M
09-04-2008, 01:21 AM
Ive always said Murray was injured fror 3 slams during 07, and he'd show his worth in 08.

and.....he is 1 GS 1/4 1 AMS title and a GS semi.... at the very least.

Murray is a class act. :D

Jimnik
09-04-2008, 01:26 AM
LOL. Nice bump.

It was never in any doubt except to the few mugs on MTF. Federer, for instance, didn't even make a GS SF appearance until just a few months before his 22nd birthday. While Roddick had already made one at the age of 20. Sometimes players break-through much more quickly than others.

Sunset of Age
09-04-2008, 01:32 AM
LOL. Nice bump.

It was never in any doubt except to the few mugs on MTF. Federer, for instance, didn't even make a GS SF appearance until just a few months before his 22nd birthday. While Roddick had already made one at the age of 20. Sometimes players break-through much more quickly than others.

Yeah. Even in tennis, you have early bloomers and late bloomers. And, like it is in stock market exchange - "Results from the past are no guarantee for the future". ;)

Congrats Muzza, on reaching your first GS semifinal, and the #4 spot in the ATP rankings! :hatoff: