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Federer: I'm the favorite going into Wimbledon

Petrovic
06-08-2008, 06:49 PM
Roger Federer insists he remains a strong favourite for Wimbledon despite being thrashed by Rafael Nadal in the French Open final.

The world number one will head to London looking for a sixth straight Wimbledon title after his 6-1 6-3 6-0 defeat by Nadal at Roland Garros.

"I haven't lost on grass for five years now, six years?" said the 26-year-old.

"I still definitely feel very strong about my chances and being the big favourite going into grass."

He added: "You know, it's so far away, grass and clay, that losing in four or five or no chance like today, I don't think it has a big effect on me mentally.

"I mean, I've beaten Rafa 6-0 in a set. I've beaten him in finals before. I've beaten him also quite comfortably on previous occasions. Didn't really give me the edge on clay against him, you know."


606: DEBATE
After losing to Nadal so many times Federer's mind will be gone against him on any surface

towser83
Federer paid fulsome tribute to Nadal and insisted the scale of the defeat would not leave any lasting damage.

"I can only praise him for the level of play he's had for the last two weeks and today again under pressure.

"It's not like it's easy for him either. He handles it very well. To come up with a performance like this under pressure shows what a great champion he is."

He added: "After a loss like this you don't want to play Rafa again tomorrow, that's for sure.

"Right now, I'd say it's easier to lose this way as today, because all along the match you realise that there is nothing you can do. You're not going to win.

"I think it was the same thing for him, and this is probably why his reaction was not as intense as it usually is. That's because of the result.

"It's always more difficult when you lose when you really could have won. Today I lost, and I lost clearly."

And the Swiss star insists he can still win the title at Roland Garros, even with the 22-year-old Nadal in the field.

"I didn't come real close today so it's disappointing, because I really thought I was playing well the last few weeks and months," said Federer.

"And where I've come from the last half year or so, I'm still very pleased with the efforts I've put in.

"So to lose the way I did today, it's obviously hard and it's a rough loss, but it's OK. I'll move on from here, and I'll try again next year."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7442993.stm

Dream on...:wavey:

elessar
06-08-2008, 06:51 PM
the underlying hurts my eyes :)

Black Adam
06-08-2008, 06:54 PM
We WILL allow him to be delusional, but we Know that he is only kidding himself and trying to reassure the likes of Papagena that the ship isn't sinking.

octatennis
06-08-2008, 06:54 PM
i thought the same, just because rafa killed him on the court doesn't mean he will lose to every mug in the tour(specially djokovic).... hahaha

Farenhajt
06-08-2008, 06:56 PM
The only thing is less and less people (Fedfans included) believe these pep talks of his. Soon he'll start sounding desperately hilarious, or hilariously desperate.

trixtah
06-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Read the questions before you go posting Roger's responses

FedFan
06-08-2008, 07:05 PM
Roger Federer insists he remains a strong favourite for Wimbledon despite being thrashed by Rafael Nadal in the French Open final.

The world number one will head to London looking for a sixth straight Wimbledon title after his 6-1 6-3 6-0 defeat by Nadal at Roland Garros.

"I haven't lost on grass for five years now, six years?" said the 26-year-old.

"I still definitely feel very strong about my chances and being the big favourite going into grass."

He added: "You know, it's so far away, grass and clay, that losing in four or five or no chance like today, I don't think it has a big effect on me mentally.

"I mean, I've beaten Rafa 6-0 in a set. I've beaten him in finals before. I've beaten him also quite comfortably on previous occasions. Didn't really give me the edge on clay against him, you know."


606: DEBATE
After losing to Nadal so many times Federer's mind will be gone against him on any surface

towser83
Federer paid fulsome tribute to Nadal and insisted the scale of the defeat would not leave any lasting damage.

"I can only praise him for the level of play he's had for the last two weeks and today again under pressure.

"It's not like it's easy for him either. He handles it very well. To come up with a performance like this under pressure shows what a great champion he is."

He added: "After a loss like this you don't want to play Rafa again tomorrow, that's for sure.

"Right now, I'd say it's easier to lose this way as today, because all along the match you realise that there is nothing you can do. You're not going to win.

"I think it was the same thing for him, and this is probably why his reaction was not as intense as it usually is. That's because of the result.

"It's always more difficult when you lose when you really could have won. Today I lost, and I lost clearly."

And the Swiss star insists he can still win the title at Roland Garros, even with the 22-year-old Nadal in the field.

"I didn't come real close today so it's disappointing, because I really thought I was playing well the last few weeks and months," said Federer.

"And where I've come from the last half year or so, I'm still very pleased with the efforts I've put in.

"So to lose the way I did today, it's obviously hard and it's a rough loss, but it's OK. I'll move on from here, and I'll try again next year."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7442993.stm

Dream on...:wavey:


You know the difference between I am a favourite and I will win?

Troll attempt, as usual. :wavey:

sanshisan
06-08-2008, 07:09 PM
Spokesperson for the Fedtards hein? Very weel, My point is this is an interesting topic and you and your people are trying to prevent this discussion from continuing because you just had a bad day and this discussion is likely to burst the bubble you live in. Just leave us in peace and let us discuss Wimbledon.


Back on topic, I feel this year we will have a Spartan Champion attending the Wimbledon winner's ball. It will come down to Roddick, Nadal and Djokovic.

Good call. Altho ol Fedex will be in the running too. However grass is like `green clay'. Nadal has the best shot at Wimby. I just hope Djokovic is in Federer's half of the draw...

I can see Nadal as the new #1 and Djokovic #2.

Denise
06-08-2008, 07:17 PM
hahaha :lol:
Roger! You're funny! :o

elessar
06-08-2008, 07:23 PM
I will fight stupidity where ever I see it. Coincidence: there is a lot of it in the Federer forum but you only get 10 reps per day,so I can't teach wisdom at a faster pace as I would like to.

If you have to troll at least be original about it, that little post stank of RFK propaganda :(

star
06-08-2008, 07:49 PM
"I haven't lost on grass for five years now, six years?" said the 26-year-old.

"I still definitely feel very strong about my chances and being the big favourite going into grass."



He's the favorite. No way around that.

But winning for many years on grass doesn't mean his chances are better each succeeding year. I'm sure it helps his confidence level.

elessar
06-08-2008, 07:51 PM
The fedforum is comedy at its best.

I learn about my enemy to be better prepared to destroy it.
Yes, yes *pats, pats*

star
06-08-2008, 07:51 PM
I am not attacking you personally but every single time you post your signature mounts a viscious attack on Djokovic. You call Djokovic's father an `idiot'. That's complete hearsay. Part of the ruthless tactics used to weaken certain players by driving a wedge betw them and their loved ones.

:hug: Honey, just turn off the signatures. That way people who want to annoy and insult with their signatures can't bother you. Just go to User CP / options.

Of course, you can't have a signature either if you do that, so if you want to annoy, gloat, or insult, you can't do it either. :) :)

trixtah
06-08-2008, 07:52 PM
He's the favorite. No way around that.

But winning for many years on grass doesn't mean his chances are better each succeeding year. I'm sure it helps his confidence level.

The question was more asking if his confidence was intact to which he responded with the above quote and said, more or less, that clay and grass are two different surfaces and that even though he got thrashed here, he still felt confident there. That's what I took from it anyway :shrug: which is why the OP looks a bit like he's just shooting his mouth

scoobs
06-08-2008, 08:05 PM
Let's see

5 time consecutive Wimbledon champion

Hasn't lost on grass since 2002.

World #1.

How peculiar that he should think of himself as the favourite...

star
06-08-2008, 08:07 PM
The question was more asking if his confidence was intact to which he responded with the above quote and said, more or less, that clay and grass are two different surfaces and that even though he got thrashed here, he still felt confident there. That's what I took from it anyway :shrug: which is why the OP looks a bit like he's just shooting his mouth

I don't know what OP is, but anyway, I agree with you. He should be the favorite for Wimbledon, and he should have confidence from his record on grass. I have no problem with that.

vincayou
06-08-2008, 08:09 PM
Let's see

5 time consecutive Wimbledon champion

Hasn't lost on grass since 2002.

World #1.

How peculiar that he should think of himself as the favourite...

Nah he should think himself as a big underdog. I mean, with all the tournaments Djokovic and Nadal have won on grass in their career so far.

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 08:11 PM
Let's see

5 time consecutive Wimbledon champion

Hasn't lost on grass since 2002.

World #1.

How peculiar that he should think of himself as the favourite...

Yup.

This thread is typical post-RG knee-jerk reaction. Seems some people have been asleep and missed what happened the past 5 years Federer failed to win the RG title.

scoobs
06-08-2008, 08:12 PM
I should know better than getting sucked into refuting this tedious nonsense, but apparently I don't know better :o

BigJohn
06-08-2008, 08:41 PM
Is there anyone in their right mind who questions who is the overwhelming favorite for Wimbledon?

ReturnWinner
06-08-2008, 08:42 PM
he has won the last 5 times so its logic he is the big fav.

elessar
06-08-2008, 08:43 PM
Is there anyone in their right mind who questions who is the overwhelming favorite for Wimbledon?

Yes many :D
But I probably would use another adjective to describe their minds :sad: Sadly my posts would be deleted again.

arm
06-08-2008, 08:43 PM
I agree with you Fed. ;) But I hope we are both wrong. :p :devil:

scoobs
06-08-2008, 08:49 PM
I'm not sure I'd call Federer the massive favourite.

He is the favourite, definitely, but with Djokovic there, Nadal there and Federer definitely having lost a bit of his edge, it's not the stroll that it was a couple of years ago. It is now quite conceivable that he could lose.

Clydey
06-08-2008, 09:05 PM
Yeah, the favourite for a first round exit.

Seriously, though, I genuinely don't expect him to win. Depending on the draw, I'm predicting a semi loss or a final loss.

arm
06-08-2008, 09:07 PM
ups =S

KitinovRules
06-08-2008, 09:10 PM
The only thing is less and less people (Fedfans included) believe these pep talks of his. Soon he'll start sounding desperately hilarious, or hilariously desperate.

Here he is .
He just managed to come out of his cage, with the pants full of shit .
We haven't heard from you in some.......2 days :)
I hope that you took a lots of pills friday night, just for a good sleep !

star
06-08-2008, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure I'd call Federer the massive favourite.

He is the favourite, definitely, but with Djokovic there, Nadal there and Federer definitely having lost a bit of his edge, it's not the stroll that it was a couple of years ago. It is now quite conceivable that he could lose.

Sure, he can lose. It's like Nadal this year at Roland Garros. It was a massive task for him to win his fourth in a row particularly following a brutal clay court season. Nadal had to play and defeat 7 opponents. Federer has to do the same. He can't just step on the grass and hold his racquet out, he has to play and defeat every opponent. He has the opportunity to lose in each round he plays. I think each year from now on will be more difficult for him. But, for now, and until he loses even more of his edge, he's the favorite, and the overwhelming favorite. Just like Sampras was, and Borg before him.

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:19 PM
Rogi is no longer the favourite to win Wimbledon. He knows that. Djokovic knows that and Nadal certainly knows it too. Going into the French Roger said "I believe very strongly this is my year". Well belief alone will not win you a GS. The top 5 favourites for Wimbledon are as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Gasquet/Murray/Berdych/Hewitt

By the way at some stage Borg had won 5 consecutive Wimbys only to lose the 6th time around and to disappear into the ether. It is current form NOT what happened in 2003, which will determine the victor @ SW19. To that end, Roger finds himself just slightly ahead of the duck going into this year championship. It will be a major upset and a remarkable comeback if he wins.

elessar
06-08-2008, 09:23 PM
Rogi is no longer the favourite to win Wimbledon. He knows that. Djokovic knows that and Nadal certainly knows it too. Going into the French Roger said "I believe very strongly this is my year". Well belief alone will not win you a GS. The top 5 favourites for Wimbledon are as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Gasquet/Murray/Berdych/Hewitt

By the way at some stage Borg had won 5 consecutive Wimbys only to lose the 6th time around and to disappear into the ether. It is current form NOT what happened in 2003, which will determine the victor @ SW19. To that end, Roger finds himself just slightly ahead of the duck going into this year championship. It will be a major upset and a remarkable comeback if he wins.

:worship: all this thread was missing was your usual BS

scoobs
06-08-2008, 09:24 PM
Rogi is no longer the favourite to win Wimbledon. He knows that. Djokovic knows that and Nadal certainly knows it too. Going into the French Roger said "I believe very strongly this is my year". Well belief alone will not win you a GS. The top 5 favourites for Wimbledon are as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Gasquet/Murray/Berdych/Hewitt

By the way at some stage Borg had won 5 consecutive Wimbys only to lose the 6th time around and to disappear into the ether. It is current form NOT what happened in 2003, which will determine the victor @ SW19. To that end, Roger finds himself just slightly ahead of the duck going into this year championship. It will be a major upset and a remarkable comeback if he wins.
You can wrap a pile of garbage in tinsel but it still doesn't make it a Christmas tree.

Merton
06-08-2008, 09:26 PM
According to the people that vote with their wallets, Roger is the Wimbledon favourite at this point.

elessar
06-08-2008, 09:29 PM
According to the people that vote with their wallets, Roger is the Wimbledon favourite at this point.

It took me an embarassingly long time to figure out what you were talking about :spit:

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 09:33 PM
It took me an embarassingly long time to figure out what you were talking about :spit:

Care to share? It went *whoosh* over my head too! :worship:

marcRD
06-08-2008, 09:33 PM
Federer will win Wimbledon 2008, no doubt about it. You can mark my words if you want to, grass is another world. Federer will play Halle and he will be better prepared for Wimbledon. Even if he faces Rafa he will win the tournament, everything is different on grass. His slice works, his volleys works, his serve works, his forehand is impossible to defend against and his backhand is not a weakness.

Merton
06-08-2008, 09:34 PM
It took me an embarassingly long time to figure out what you were talking about :spit:

:hug: I don't know, for me no matter how degenerate some gamblers are, they still put up their own money, this counts for more than opinionated fans posting on a forum. :lol:

Obviously it is too early for accurate Wimbledon odds right now, things would become much more clear after Queens and Halle.

Burrow
06-08-2008, 09:35 PM
Rogi is no longer the favourite to win Wimbledon. He knows that. Djokovic knows that and Nadal certainly knows it too. Going into the French Roger said "I believe very strongly this is my year". Well belief alone will not win you a GS. The top 5 favourites for Wimbledon are as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Gasquet/Murray/Berdych/Hewitt

By the way at some stage Borg had won 5 consecutive Wimbys only to lose the 6th time around and to disappear into the ether. It is current form NOT what happened in 2003, which will determine the victor @ SW19. To that end, Roger finds himself just slightly ahead of the duck going into this year championship. It will be a major upset and a remarkable comeback if he wins.

It will be a major upset if he wins... :spit: :rolls:

elessar
06-08-2008, 09:37 PM
Care to share? It went *whoosh* over my head too! :worship:
Gamblers :p
:hug: I don't know, for me no matter how degenerate some gamblers are, they still put up their own money, this counts for more than opinionated fans posting on a forum. :lol:

Obviously it is too early for accurate Wimbledon odds right now, things would become much more clear after Queens and Halle.

That's exactly what I said in a previous post but it must have been deleted by ragingmod :sad:

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:39 PM
Federer will win Wimbledon 2008, no doubt about it. You can mark my words if you want to, grass is another world. Federer will play Halle and he will be better prepared for Wimbledon. Even if he faces Rafa he will win the tournament, everything is different on grass. His slice works, his volleys works, his serve works, his forehand is impossible to defend against and his backhand is not a weakness.

How i wish that were still true. He struggled badly in Halle in 2006 and last year having skipped the tournament he almost lost to Nadal @ Wimbledon. If anyone thinks Roger will have just as easy a tournament @ Wimbledon as Nadal has had in Paris...well put your money on it ;)

star
06-08-2008, 09:39 PM
Federer will win Wimbledon 2008, no doubt about it. You can mark my words if you want to, grass is another world. Federer will play Halle and he will be better prepared for Wimbledon. Even if he faces Rafa he will win the tournament, everything is different on grass. His slice works, his volleys works, his serve works, his forehand is impossible to defend against and his backhand is not a weakness.

I think that Federer will struggle a bit more this year on grass. I see some difference in his getting from his backhand corner over to his forehand, but on grass he has more defenses, and his backhand can help him.

Petrovic
06-08-2008, 09:42 PM
Look, respect to Roger and his 5 GS at Wimby . :worship:
But to say that he is favourite coz he won it 12 months ago is not right. He is a different man today ! :wavey:

What about the fact that this year he won only Estoril .
If you look at that fact and judging on his preformance v Nadal in FO today Fed is NOT favourite to win Wimbledon :angel:

He is trying to keep momentum and proclaims himself a fav to win Wimby but that is just a mind game !
I think a lot of players are looking at his preformance today and thinking "this guy is not Roger i know, next time i play him ill go for a win".
That makes Fed job even more dificult adding to one that he is not playing well as last year !

I still remember US open final where Joker had 5 set points in first set and 2 in second.
But then Joker was 20 year old , unexperienced kid who could not convert big points.
But actually that was the game i realised Fed is on his way down !

I give Rafa more chance wining Wimbledon than Fed but still my fav is Joker !

juninhOH
06-08-2008, 09:44 PM
No doubt Federer will win wimbledon. He still cant lose on grass.

BigJohn
06-08-2008, 09:46 PM
Rogi is no longer the favourite to win Wimbledon. He knows that. Djokovic knows that and Nadal certainly knows it too. Going into the French Roger said "I believe very strongly this is my year". Well belief alone will not win you a GS. The top 5 favourites for Wimbledon are as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Gasquet/Murray/Berdych/Hewitt



OMG...

Did you just pull that list out of your behind?

(and by behind, I mean ass...)


Then this:

Rogi is no longer the favourite to win Wimbledon. He knows that.



WTF?

You actually have access to his thoughts?

Seriously, you can read minds? If you do, can you guess what I am thinking right now?

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:46 PM
Look, respect to Roger and his 5 GS at Wimby . :worship:
But to say that he is favourite coz he won it 12 months ago is not right. He is a different man today ! :wavey:

What about the fact that this year he won only Estoril .
If you look at that fact and judging on his preformance v Nadal in FO today Fed is NOT favourite to win Wimbledon :angel:

He is trying to keep momentum and proclaims himself a fav to win Wimby but that is just a mind game !
I think a lot of players are looking at his preformance today and thinking "this guy is not Roger i know, next time i play him ill go for a win".
That makes Fed job even more dificult adding to one that he is not playing well as last year !

I still remember US open final where Joker had 5 set points in first set and 2 in second.
But then Joker was 20 year old , unexperienced kid who could not convert big points.
But actually that was the game i realised Fed is on his way down !

I give Rafa more chance wining Wimbledon than Fed but still my fav is Joker !

Finally a post that makes SENSE based on what has happened THIS YEAR. :worship::worship::worship:

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Look, respect to Roger and his 5 GS at Wimby . :worship:
But to say that he is favourite coz he won it 12 months ago is not right. He is a different man today ! :wavey:

What about the fact that this year he won only Estoril .
If you look at that fact and judging on his preformance v Nadal in FO today Fed is NOT favourite to win Wimbledon :angel:

He is trying to keep momentum and proclaims himself a fav to win Wimby but that is just a mind game !
I think a lot of players are looking at his preformance today and thinking "this guy is not Roger i know, next time i play him ill go for a win".
That makes Fed job even more dificult adding to one that he is not playing well as last year !

I still remember US open final where Joker had 5 set points in first set and 2 in second.
But then Joker was 20 year old , unexperienced kid who could not convert big points.
But actually that was the game i realised Fed is on his way down !

I give Rafa more chance wining Wimbledon than Fed but still my fav is Joker !

By your logic, if Nadal gets thumped in the AO Final next year he will not be favourite going into Roland Garros :worship:

Federer has never been troubled at Wimbledon in the last 5 years apart from Nadal. Who else can beat him? He destroyed Phillipoussis and Roddick when they were both in inspired form, no other major grass contenders have emerged since then. Djokovic hasn't proven great form on the surface, I think Murray could perhaps have a chance of troubling Federer but that's about it.

Obviously if he runs into Nadal again in the final it will be tough due to the bad match up issue, but Nadal is much more likely to lose in the earlier rounds than Federer is.

scoobs
06-08-2008, 09:52 PM
Finally a post that makes SENSE based on what has happened THIS YEAR. :worship::worship::worship:
Please explain to me how Sampras was able time and again towards the end to win Wimbledon, having had a poor year up until that point?

No don't bother, I'll tell you.

Because they had such special memories, because it was such a big focus for them, they were able to raise their level, draw on their experience, and find a way to win.

Once the guy has lost again at Wimbledon, I think it makes much more sense to say he's no longer the favourite.

Until then, he should be given the credit of his experience and his know-how about winning on grass.

People act like Federer's on some major decline but his points total in ranking terms is hardly any different from this time last year.

And this is his part of the season now - grass, hardcourt, indoors - it's where he usually gains the bulk of his points.

People are so keen to cry "Le roi est mort" but he's still breathing - sorry.

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:55 PM
WTF?

You actually have access to his thoughts?

Seriously, you can read minds? If you do, can you guess what I am thinking right now?

I gave you a pre RG final quote from Roger. "I believe very strongly this is my year". Turned out he was wrong. You do not have to violate someone by reading their thoughts to read between the lines and discern a person's state of mind. You don't go around saying things like you are a "big favourite" going into a GS especially after having had the kind of season Rogi's had unless something deep within you is troubled. You did not hear Nadal speaking of himself as the overwhelming favourite going into RG even though he had the more legitimate case for making such a claim re the French than Roger does re Wimbledon.. We shall see.

Chris 84
06-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Of course Federer is the favourite. The fact of the matter is that his grass court record over the last 5 years is even better than Rafa's clay court record. He is more vulnerable now than he has been for years, but he is still the favourite.

Allez
06-08-2008, 10:13 PM
Once the guy has lost again at Wimbledon, I think it makes much more sense to say he's no longer the favourite.

Until then, he should be given the credit of his experience and his know-how about winning on grass.



At one point Borg had won 5 consecutive Wimbledon titles. He never won another one ever again. Roger has reached that same stage. Being a defending champion does not make you the perpetual favourite. You have to earn that status by performing. There's a saying..."you're only as good as your last performance". I am not saying Roger will definitely lose Wimbledon. Thankfully the future is shielded from me. Like I said it would be a massive upset and a comeback of legendary proportions should he win, but heading out towards the green green grass, he is not the favourite. Trust me on this. I do not lie. ;)

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 10:16 PM
At one point Borg had won 5 consecutive Wimbledon titles. He never won another one ever again. Roger has reached that same stage. Being a defending champion does not make you the perpetual favourite. You have to earn that status by performing. There's a saying..."you're only as good as your last performance". I am not saying Roger will definitely lose Wimbledon. Thankfully the future is shielded from me. Like I said it would be a massive upset and a comeback of legendary proportions should he win, but heading out towards the green green grass, he is not the favourite. Trust me on this. I do not lie. ;)

Nadal got hammered by Youzhny, Tsonga, Djokovic, Seppi, Roddick and Davydenko on hardcourts earlier this year. It didn't effect his claycourt season though, no?

elessar
06-08-2008, 10:20 PM
No need to try and reason with Allez he/she is a troll who probably would have thought that Davydenko on grass in 2006 would have been a tough match for Roger.

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 10:23 PM
No need to try and reason with Allez he/she is a troll who probably would have fought that Davydenko on grass in 2006 would have been a tough match for Roger.

Thanks. It's difficult to know when people are being serious around here or just trolling for the sake of it. What happened to Clay Death? Thought he / she would be having a field day with today's result and how Federer is surely finished now.

Loremaster
06-08-2008, 10:27 PM
Seriously He is favourite for me it's

1. Roger Federer
2. Rafael Nadal
3. Andy Roddick
4. Novak Djokovic

but I want such kind of the draw for Roger - Llodra-Karlovic-Ancic-Murray-Roddick-Djokovic it would be somethin:angel:g

elessar
06-08-2008, 10:28 PM
Thanks. It's difficult to know when people are being serious around here or just trolling for the sake of it. What happened to Clay Death? Thought he / she would be having a field day with today's result and how Federer is surely finished now.

I'm not 100% sure Allez's is a troll, he may just be a paranoiac fan :shrug: Either way it's pretty pointless to reason with him.

CD has received warnings from the mods recently so he may have thought it better to tone it down a bit, or he was just too busy posting as RFK ;)

Bilbo
06-08-2008, 10:28 PM
this is one of the main reasons why federer has never won the French Open

the French Open are over and the first thing he's thinking of is Wimbledon :o

i've never seen the willpower in his eyes to win the French Open like i've seen with nadal

Loremaster
06-08-2008, 10:30 PM
Please explain to me how Sampras was able time and again towards the end to win Wimbledon, having had a poor year up until that point?

No don't bother, I'll tell you.

Because they had such special memories, because it was such a big focus for them, they were able to raise their level, draw on their experience, and find a way to win.

Once the guy has lost again at Wimbledon, I think it makes much more sense to say he's no longer the favourite.

Until then, he should be given the credit of his experience and his know-how about winning on grass.

People act like Federer's on some major decline but his points total in ranking terms is hardly any different from this time last year.

And this is his part of the season now - grass, hardcourt, indoors - it's where he usually gains the bulk of his points.

People are so keen to cry "Le roi est mort" but he's still breathing - sorry.

I generally agree but Sampras is irrevelent , grass was faster and he could win it by serve alone, Sampras had great mentality to come with that serve which is the best in hisotry of the game, he disdn't need movement so much. Roger on the other hand is very dependent on movement and his groundstrokes.

Avid Merrion
06-08-2008, 10:36 PM
he probably is, but i doubt he's as hot a favourite as he's been in the past.

marcRD
06-08-2008, 10:39 PM
Nadal should have great difficulties to get to a final without a killer serve and Djokovic hasnt really proven he can play on grass, defeating Baghy in 5 sets and Hewitt in a match full of wasted oppurtunities for Hewitt doesnt proof that much really. Roddick could probably beat them both once again if he is on form. I dont think there will be a Nadal-Federer-Djokovic semifinal trio again, one or two will be missing and it wont be Federer.

BigJohn
06-08-2008, 10:53 PM
I gave you a pre RG final quote from Roger. "I believe very strongly this is my year". Turned out he was wrong. You do not have to violate someone by reading their thoughts to read between the lines and discern a person's state of mind. You don't go around saying things like you are a "big favourite" going into a GS especially after having had the kind of season Rogi's had unless something deep within you is troubled. You did not hear Nadal speaking of himself as the overwhelming favourite going into RG even though he had the more legitimate case for making such a claim re the French than Roger does re Wimbledon.. We shall see.

Well, considering he made the final... again, I think we can say he was short one match to being correct about his RG chances.

So far this year on clay, Federer made the final at RG, 2 finals and a 1/4 in MS and won one tournament. Most players would kill for such a record on clay. He had reasons top believe in his chances at RG, and, if you did not notice, he made the freakin final, losing to the 3 time defending champ.

Again, he lost a final to the greatest clay court specialist since Borg, probably ever by the end of his career.

Then, the whole tour has to make the adjustment to grass. Something Federer has done the best the last 5 years. Considering his clay season was pretty much on par with every clay season he did before, how, honestly HOW, can he be considered anything less than the big favorite for Wimbledon?

I would like a rational explanation to this ranking:


1. Rafael Nadal
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Roger Federer
4. Andy Roddick
5. Gasquet/Murray/Berdych/Hewitt



If it is not too much to ask...

star
06-08-2008, 11:40 PM
I generally agree but Sampras is irrevelent , grass was faster and he could win it by serve alone, Sampras had great mentality to come with that serve which is the best in hisotry of the game, he disdn't need movement so much. Roger on the other hand is very dependent on movement and his groundstrokes.

This is true enough, but Sampras did also move well. He was extremely quick, and a better volleyer than Federer. But that was when grass was faster and the worn spots on the court were at the service T and the net. :)

Henry Chinaski
06-08-2008, 11:47 PM
federer is the clear favourite for wimbledon. check with any bookie in the world. money talks. can't be arsed reading the thread but anyone calling him arrogant or delusional (you don't have to be psychic on mtf) over saying this is a complete fuckwit.
hope this helps.

Mansave_75
06-09-2008, 12:09 AM
For me these are the favorites:
1. R. Federer
2. R. Nadal
3. N. Djokovic

Roddick has no chance of winning Wimby.

Manon
06-09-2008, 12:18 AM
Federer is favorite but first time since... not clear favorite. I agree with Mansave_75 but I'm including (healthy) Roddick.

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 01:27 AM
We WILL allow him to be delusional, but we Know that he is only kidding himself and trying to reassure the likes of Papagena that the ship isn't sinking.


the ship sank for good today along with Fed. this match showed that Fed has taken a step back on clay against the Clay Monster. he was lost out there today. he didnt know what to do.

memo to Fed and the Federereeeeeeesians: Pray for a decent burial.
memo to the rest: Supreme/Imperious defense never rests.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 01:32 AM
the ship sank for good today along with Fed. this match showed that Fed has taken a step back on clay against the Clay Monster. he was lost out there today. he didnt know what to do.

memo to Fed and the Federereeeeeeesians: Pray for a decent burial.
memo to the rest: Supreme/Imperious defense never rests.

All this Fed/Roddick/Gulbis/whoever talk is just nonsense. Fed is done. I thought Fed would make a last stand in blazing glory at Wimbledon, but now I'm convinced he'll go out with a whimper, if not a beatdown like today's. Djokovic and Nadal are taking the remaining slams this year and all of the slams next year as well.

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 01:36 AM
All this Fed/Roddick/Gulbis/whoever talk is just nonsense. Fed is done. I thought Fed would make a last stand in blazing glory at Wimbledon, but now I'm convinced he'll go out with a whimper, if not a beatdown like today's. Djokovic and Nadal are taking the remaining slams this year and all of the slams next year as well.

this is what the Federereeeeeeeesians dont understand. his decline affects him everywhere. we are seeing it happen all year this year.

he was very lucky with the draw. Djokovic would have destroyed him in the semis.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 01:40 AM
this is what the Federereeeeeeeesians dont understand. his decline affects him everywhere. we are seeing it happen all year this year.

he was very lucky with the draw. Djokovic would have destroyed him in the semis.

Exactly. And I think Djokovic would have made the final even a bit more competitive than his semifinal was, just because of the occasion. On the other hand, there was no winning against Rafa in this tournament.

Hopefully Djokovic gets in Fed's half of the draw at Wimbledon. If not, then he'll just have to bust his way through Rafa to get to the crying ballet dancer and despatch him once and for all.

leng jai
06-09-2008, 01:42 AM
You two just love convincing each other you are right don't you?

Forehander
06-09-2008, 01:46 AM
lol 5 times consecutive times wimbledon champion and had been dealing with the same process for the last few years and people calling him not the favourite. Go get a life you losers.

trixtah
06-09-2008, 01:50 AM
Finally a post that makes SENSE based on what has happened THIS YEAR. :worship::worship::worship:

You are the only two people agreeing with each other...I think that obviously out of the thousands of members on this forum, you would be able to find at least one person who shares your misguided notions. Hmm, seems like CD and Aloimeh just joined your circle in the last two pages.

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 01:55 AM
Exactly. And I think Djokovic would have made the final even a bit more competitive than his semifinal was, just because of the occasion. On the other hand, there was no winning against Rafa in this tournament.

Hopefully Djokovic gets in Fed's half of the draw at Wimbledon. If not, then he'll just have to bust his way through Rafa to get to the crying ballet dancer and despatch him once and for all.

affirmative. Djokovic has a far more effective ground attack. he also doesnt throw his hands up in the air every few seconds.

Fed`s one hander is still one of the best ever but it is an obsolete shot in tennis. Djokovic would have made a mince meat of his weaker wing as well

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 01:56 AM
You two just love convincing each other you are right don't you?

I was right about Djokovic winning AO and ClayDeath was right about Nadal steamrolling everyone at FO, so I'd say we have a pretty healthy and accurate outlook on things, with ClayDeath being a bit more realistic and a bit Nadal-biased and me being more Nole-biased but still, on the whole, objective. It beats Fedtard analysis any day.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 01:57 AM
affirmative. Djokovic has a far more effective ground attack. he also doesnt throw his hands up in the air every few seconds.

Fed`s one hander is still one of the best ever but it is an obsolete shot in tennis. Djokovic would have made a mince meat of his weaker wing as well

you still around cockroach; go away before i use my one hander to beat your ass, and my other hand to revive you just so my one hander can beat your ass once again.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 01:58 AM
I was right about Djokovic winning AO and ClayDeath was right about Nadal steamrolling everyone at FO, so I'd say we have a pretty healthy and accurate outlook on things, with ClayDeath being a bit more realistic and a bit Nadal-biased and me being more Nole-biased but still, on the whole, objective. It beats Fedtard analysis any day.

where are djokovic's multiple slams?

go back to the hole you crawled out from.

Merton
06-09-2008, 01:58 AM
Current Wimbledon odds from betfair:

Federer: 2.16
Djokovic: 5.1
Nadal: 6.2
Murray: 26
Roddick: 27

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:00 AM
where are djokovic's multiple slams?

go back to the hole you crawled out from.

He's only just begun. He donated the last slam Fraud "won." Bye bye Fraud and your acolytes.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 02:02 AM
Current Wimbledon odds from betfair:

Federer: 2.16
Djokovic: 5.1
Nadal: 6.2
Murray: 26
Roddick: 27

shh dont show that to claydeath; he may have a heart attack

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 02:03 AM
He's only just begun. He donated the last slam Fraud "won." Bye bye Fraud and your acolytes.

call me back when he wins multiple slams; until then back to your little hole

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 02:03 AM
I was right about Djokovic winning AO and ClayDeath was right about Nadal steamrolling everyone at FO, so I'd say we have a pretty healthy and accurate outlook on things, with ClayDeath being a bit more realistic and a bit Nadal-biased and me being more Nole-biased but still, on the whole, objective. It beats Fedtard analysis any day.


i am more realistice than some care to believe. i know Nadal cannot play on hard courts and that he is faced with severe limitation there. lot of it has to do with his heavy topepin strokes which simply require more time to produce/manufacture if you will. they are deliberate and lengthy strokes with huge backswings. he just doesnt have the time on fast hard courts.

worn out grass courts with much slower grass provides him with little more time than fast hard courts. balls stay low there (on fast hard courts) while it sticks a little on worn out grass courts and bounces up.

like Borg said, if he is in the quarters, he is going to the finals. grass is a little slicker in the earlier rounds. also by the time he has 4-5 matches under his belt, he starts to get acclimated to playing on grass. he ususally gets better with each match.

in any case, this Wimby is about Djokovic and Nadal.

memo: pray for death.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 02:06 AM
i am more realistice than some care to believe. i know Nadal cannot play on hard courts and that he is faced with severe limitation there. lot of it has to do with his heavy topepin strokes which simply require more time to produce/manufacture if you will. they are deliberate and lengthy strokes with huge backswings. he just doesnt have the time on fast hard courts.

worn out grass courts with much slower grass provides him with little more time than fast hard courts. balls stay low there (on fast hard courts) while it sticks a little on worn out grass courts and bounces up.

like Borg said, if he is in the quarters, he is going to the finals. grass is a little slicker in the earlier rounds. also by the time he has 4-5 matches under his belt, he starts to get acclimated to playing on grass. he ususally gets better with each match.

in any case, this Wimby is about Djokovic and Nadal.

memo: pray for death.

so you admit that your holy god is an incomplete player. Oh yes, what a lord this savior is..

psshhh

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 02:22 AM
so you admit that your holy god is an incomplete player. Oh yes, what a lord this savior is..

psshhh

i have said this before clown. we all know Nadal has severe limitaions on hard courts.

what part of "winning 22 of his 27 titles on clay" do you have the most trouble with?

leng jai
06-09-2008, 02:27 AM
I was right about Djokovic winning AO and ClayDeath was right about Nadal steamrolling everyone at FO, so I'd say we have a pretty healthy and accurate outlook on things, with ClayDeath being a bit more realistic and a bit Nadal-biased and me being more Nole-biased but still, on the whole, objective. It beats Fedtard analysis any day.

Oh my bad, CD must be a real brainiac to figure out Nadal caining everyone at RG. Lets not mention your Golden Slam prediction...:worship:

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-09-2008, 02:28 AM
All this Fed/Roddick/Gulbis/whoever talk is just nonsense. Fed is done. I thought Fed would make a last stand in blazing glory at Wimbledon, but now I'm convinced he'll go out with a whimper, if not a beatdown like today's. Djokovic and Nadal are taking the remaining slams this year and all of the slams next year as well.

True

Federer has finally shown how weak he really is. Beating up crappy players in the past hid that weakness but it is finally showing in full form.

BigJohn
06-09-2008, 02:33 AM
ClayDeath being a bit more realistic and a bit Nadal-biased and me being more Nole-biased but still, on the whole, objective.


I'm a big fan of both of you, and I count on you both for a healthy dose of realism and objectivity.

Sorry, I can't keep a straight face...

How can I put this?.. If CD is "a bit Nadal-biased", and you are "objective", then Safin is "a bit temperamental" and Tarango is "a gentleman".

star
06-09-2008, 02:34 AM
I seriously think you all are announcing death too soon. Until proven otherwise, Federer is a dangerous player on tour. I was shocked at how dispirited he played at RG, but we have to see how he pulls up on grass before sending out the death notices.

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 02:38 AM
I'm a big fan of both of you, and I count on you both for a healthy dose of realism and objectivity.

Sorry, I can't keep a straight face...

How can I put this?.. If CD is "a bit Nadal-biased", and you are "objective", then Safin is "a bit temperamental" and Tarango is "a gentleman".

we do tend to call it like it is Big John. no spin on our part. we leave the spin for others.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:39 AM
Oh my bad, CD must be a real brainiac to figure out Nadal caining everyone at RG. Lets not mention your Golden Slam prediction...:worship:

There were too many clowns on MTF that thought Roger would finally "take it to him." Yeah, my Golden Slam prediction was grandiose and way off, but still, at least Djokovic didn't fold like a cheap tent in the third set, unlike someone today.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 02:40 AM
i have said this before clown. we all know Nadal has severe limitaions on hard courts.

what part of "winning 22 of his 27 titles on clay" do you have the most trouble with?

haha, look who is getting all defensive about his "clay hit wonder"

call me when he wins a gs off of clay biatch.

Clay Death
06-09-2008, 02:42 AM
There were too many clowns on MTF that thought Roger would finally "take it to him." Yeah, my Golden Slam prediction was grandiose and way off, but still, at least Djokovic didn't fold like a cheap tent in the third set, unlike someone today.


our brand of realism and objectivity will always hurt the clueless fanboys and fangirls. die hard Federereeeeeeesians are scared to death of us.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:46 AM
haha, look who is getting all defensive about his "clay hit wonder"

call me when he wins a gs off of clay biatch.

What does it matter whether Rafa or Novak win the slams? Roger isn't going to win them anymore. He'll have to be content with Estoril and Basel titles.

Rafa will be remembered as a greater boon in the annals of tennis than Novak, if only because he prevented the prancing ballerina from taking the French Open and sealing his "GOAT-hood" against mental midgets, chokers, and incompetetent clown. He has been the sole guardian of competitive tennis for the past few years. Djokovic has come to his aid and will take up the burden on hardcourt and grass.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 02:48 AM
Another thread that has turned into a dialogue between Clown Death/Aloimeh (Laika)/R=FK (actually a monologue with CD). :hatoff:

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 02:48 AM
What does it matter whether Rafa or Novak win the slams? Roger isn't going to win them anymore. He'll have to be content with Estoril and Basel titles.

Rafa will be remembered as a greater boon in the annals of tennis than Novak, if only because he prevented the prancing ballerina from taking the French Open and sealing his "GOAT-hood" against mental midgets, chokers, and incompetetent clown. He has been the sole guardian of competitive tennis for the past few years. Djokovic has come to his aid and will take up the burden on hardcourt and grass.

i heard nole has a sore throat and is thinking of pulling out from queens; go console him loverboy

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:50 AM
i heard nole has a sore throat and is thinking of pulling out from queens; go console him loverboy

I heard Fraud has a hitherto unknown-to-science strain of Epstein Barr virus which is reactivated only on days when he loses a tennis match. It must have been raging bad today.

star
06-09-2008, 02:50 AM
This thread is gonna be bumped. One way or the other. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 02:51 AM
i heard nole has a sore throat and is thinking of pulling out from queens; go console him loverboy

:haha: :haha:

No man, that excuse is only used when he's gettin' whipped during a match.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 02:57 AM
I heard Fraud has a hitherto unknown-to-science strain of Epstein Barr virus which is reactivated only on days when he loses a tennis match. It must have been raging bad today.


ah i must be mistaken; it isnt a sore throat, rather a deep throat; rumors are rampant who the culprit may be, but srdjan and uncle are working round the clock to make sure no bbc announcer lets the cat out of the bag; This includes charging tv and radio stations with pitchforks.

BigJohn
06-09-2008, 02:59 AM
our brand of realism and objectivity will always hurt the clueless fanboys and fangirls. die hard Federereeeeeeesians are scared to death of us.

Man, you are grandiose and biblical, as if possessed by an enlighted Charlton Heston.

MrChopin
06-09-2008, 03:03 AM
affirmative. Djokovic has a far more effective ground attack. he also doesnt throw his hands up in the air every few seconds.

:spit:

What does it matter whether Rafa or Novak win the slams? Roger isn't going to win them anymore. He'll have to be content with Estoril and Basel titles.

More predictions?

***

The above two posts are the very definition of objectivity.

you still around cockroach; go away before i use my one hander to beat your ass, and my other hand to revive you just so my one hander can beat your ass once again.

I'm a big fan of both of you, and I count on you both for a healthy dose of realism and objectivity.

Sorry, I can't keep a straight face...

How can I put this?.. If CD is "a bit Nadal-biased", and you are "objective", then Safin is "a bit temperamental" and Tarango is "a gentleman".

Another thread that has turned into a dialogue between Clown Death/Aloimeh (Laika)/R=FK (actually a monologue with CD). :hatoff:

ah i must be mistaken; it isnt a sore throat, rather a deep throat; rumors are rampant who the culprit may be, but srdjan and uncle are working round the clock to make sure no bbc announcer lets the cat out of the bag; This includes charging tv and radio stations with pitchforks.

:lol::lol:

Enjoy Incubus
06-09-2008, 03:07 AM
either Nalbandian or Djokovic will destroy Federer. Even Nadal would beat him in 5.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 03:07 AM
Man, you are grandiose and biblical, as if possessed by an enlighted Charlton Heston.

do you think that they finally took the gun out of his hands when he was lying up on the altar?

BigJohn
06-09-2008, 03:13 AM
do you think that they finally took the gun out of his hands when he was lying up on the altar?

It was the time to do it. Heston said it himself: "From my cold dead hands."

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 03:19 AM
It was the time to do it. Heston said it himself: "From my cold dead hands."

what if he was wearing hand warmers as a precautionary measure? hmm:confused:

BigJohn
06-09-2008, 03:24 AM
what if he was wearing hand warmers as a precautionary measure? hmm:confused:

:haha:

Did not see that one coming at all. He most likely did.

:worship:

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-09-2008, 04:34 AM
Another thread that has turned into a dialogue between Clown Death/Aloimeh (Laika)/R=FK (actually a monologue with CD). :hatoff:

Still hoping your crappy dinosaur tennis wins something.

RIP Serve and Volley
RIP Ballet Tennis

:D

scarecrows
06-09-2008, 07:16 AM
i thought Federer won the same amount on points as last year on clay and took a similar beating in the final as last year. What made the score even more one-sided this time was Nadal's form

Forehander
06-09-2008, 08:20 AM
Haha! Clay Death and Almoimeh have totally gone out of control!! SOMEONE STOP THEM!!!!!!!

Loremaster
06-09-2008, 08:36 AM
This is true enough, but Sampras did also move well. He was extremely quick, and a better volleyer than Federer. But that was when grass was faster and the worn spots on the court were at the service T and the net. :)

yeah I agree Sampras was terrific mover on grass , but it was mainly based on his coming in, and how he could place himself at the net, his groundstrokes wasn't as much based on movement as Roger's, given the fact that Roger wins Wimby playing from the baseline mainly in last years.
Sampras game was less dependent on age, as long as he could fire those precise serves, that's why I think many people write Roddick off to quickly he is clearly playing his ebst tennis since 2004 right know, and if he brings his serving from Dubai-San Jose to Wimby he can beat anyone - especially Nadal and Djokovic as he did in Dubai,because his game is better suited on grass than on slow hardcourt.And there is only one man who can read and return that serve when it is clicking and about 70% 1st serves in.

ZakMcCrack
06-09-2008, 08:38 AM
@ Aloimeh

You are one cur. See you at Wimby you pathetic despising son of a.... I wonder what your reaction would be if being affected by a serious inestimable virus at a time when everybody expects you to accomplish great things and surpass legends, at a time when just as many people are lurking for deficiency to come out of their dens just to viciously strike a blow upon you.
Of course and yes, I admit - I was very disappointed to see Roger out there ond the court, lost and desperate - but you guys just have not a single spark of decency within you.

groundstroke
06-09-2008, 09:05 AM
He should win Wimbledon comfortably.

Manon
06-09-2008, 09:27 AM
go back to the hole you crawled out from.

It's fifth. Does any mod live here?

On the other hand - you can try with this one 'sentence' hundred times but it won't help you. You cannot be elessar for example. You are or you are not. You are not.

OT - I think this will be Federer's 6th Wimbledon. Tougher than ever probably. He's obviously not in good form but 'grassers' form is weaker or it's health issue (Roddick) and Roger knows how to win Wimbldon (which is important just almost like current form). I don't wanna him to win but there's no player who can do surprise. Wimbledon isn't a place for surprises (mostly or much less then other 3 GS.

Petrovic
06-09-2008, 09:40 AM
The way Roger plays these days i think he will be out before final.
If he gets tough draw he has no chance.
Players are thinking the same thing , he does not look sharp and quick.
Competition is much stronger now !

But we shall se what happens !

rafa_maniac
06-09-2008, 09:55 AM
He clearly IS the favourite. Until he's finally beaten again on this surface it's ludicrous to call anyone else a favourite over him. That said, IF Rafa can make a third straight final, I'd back him to finally get the win this year, he's playing his best, most agressive tennis of his career right now while Federer is a notch below 2007. That said, Rafa is in no way guaranteed to make the final, having Djoko in Fed's half will help immensely.

Shirogane
06-09-2008, 10:50 AM
he's the favourite, and I think he's going to win quite comfortably...

Hola Mr. SK
06-09-2008, 11:23 AM
he's the favourite, and I think he's going to win quite comfortably...
So comfort as in last year's final? :devil:

zcess81
06-09-2008, 11:46 AM
By your logic, if Nadal gets thumped in the AO Final next year he will not be favourite going into Roland Garros :worship:

Federer has never been troubled at Wimbledon in the last 5 years apart from Nadal. Who else can beat him? He destroyed Phillipoussis and Roddick when they were both in inspired form, no other major grass contenders have emerged since then. Djokovic hasn't proven great form on the surface, I think Murray could perhaps have a chance of troubling Federer but that's about it.

Obviously if he runs into Nadal again in the final it will be tough due to the bad match up issue, but Nadal is much more likely to lose in the earlier rounds than Federer is.

Djokovic reached semis at Wimbledon and you put Murray ahead of him :haha::haha::haha::haha:

ZakMcCrack
06-09-2008, 12:05 PM
Djokovic reached semis at Wimbledon and you put Murray ahead of him :haha::haha::haha::haha:

Why not...what Monfils achieved at RG should be possible for Murray at his own home tournament, too. Furthermore it's about the match-up as well and therefore I have to agree with Tidus.

saniapower
06-09-2008, 12:42 PM
ya Roger will reach the final and will win in <5 sets.

HeretiC
06-09-2008, 12:53 PM
Federer is the strong favorite for Wimbledon. But for actually winning he will have to find his serve first. He was kinda practicing volleying through clay court season quite a lot, so I have no doubt he will do good in that department, but his serve is nowhere near it was (in the past bailing him out of the trouble numerous times, but not this year). Without it he will be very susceptible to being defeated from Djokovic or Nadal or even from in form Roddick (Hewitt, Nalbandian) and also some of the S&V players can trouble him (Llodra, Stepanek). Still, IMO he has the best chances for lifting the 6th trophy at Wimby.

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 01:29 PM
Djokovic reached semis at Wimbledon and you put Murray ahead of him :haha::haha::haha::haha:

Use yer noggin' son and read ZacMcCrack's post.