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elessar
07-06-2008, 07:57 PM
I wish I was
And I whish I wasn't being sarcastic :spit:
that's refreshing :)
:sad: I thought you knew me by now.

Only you can keep your cool in those situations :worship: Must be that Russian blood of yours :cool:

cath777
07-06-2008, 07:57 PM
stop hitting balls long :rolleyes:

Daniel
07-06-2008, 07:58 PM
ADV Roger

yomeK
07-06-2008, 07:58 PM
COME ON!! FIRST SERVE NOW!!! :fiery:

Marek.
07-06-2008, 07:58 PM
End this game now, ya douche

Daniel
07-06-2008, 07:58 PM
7 6

yomeK
07-06-2008, 07:58 PM
*Sighs* Fine, don't listen! Do it your way!

Break NOW!

Marek.
07-06-2008, 07:58 PM
This is a fucking choking competition

trickcy
07-06-2008, 07:59 PM
7-6.. Are you trying to kill us all, roger?

cath777
07-06-2008, 07:59 PM
I'm not sure I can take another half a hour of this :scared:

Mrs. B
07-06-2008, 07:59 PM
CMONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce: :bounce:

Daniel
07-06-2008, 07:59 PM
Please Lord help Roger to win the next game.

Roger focus and break him please.
:bounce: :bounce:

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 07:59 PM
Please, Nadal, just start thinking about this a bit too much.

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:00 PM
7-6.. Are you trying to kill us all, roger?
I think he is, he's very mean

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:00 PM
He's got to break now...he's not going to be able to keep pulling the Houdini act.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:00 PM
I'm not sure I can take another half a hour of this :scared:

Me either :scared:

Roger, in plain English,

BREAK HIM NOW!!!

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:00 PM
1 down, 3 to go

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:00 PM
love 15

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:00 PM
He started with a 0-15. BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
I highly doubt Nadal will make any errors now. Fed will have to hit some great returns, BH's and FH's to win it.

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
15 all

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
He's got to break now...he's not going to be able to keep pulling the Houdini act.

That's what I'm thinking. He's extremely lucky he hasnt lost yet

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
True as ever, 0-15... then Nadal wins the next point.

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
Oh gosh... so many errors :(

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
That's what I'm thinking. He's extremely lucky he hasnt lost yet

Yes.

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
30-15

cath777
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
I highly doubt Nadal will make any errors now. Fed will have to hit some great returns, BH's and FH's to win it.

I agree, Nadal isn't going to loose, Roger will have to win

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
40-15

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
He's letting Nadal hold so easily right now...

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
ARGHHHHHHHHHh

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
:o Cut that fucking shit out, Federer. You're pissing me the fuck off.

cath777
07-06-2008, 08:02 PM
another error :rolleyes:

ExpectedWinner
07-06-2008, 08:03 PM
Fed, it's not USO. there wii be no tb, you need to break serve. :(

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:03 PM
40-30

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:03 PM
need some luck

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:03 PM
Soooooooooo lucky

elessar
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
That's what I'm thinking. He's extremely lucky he hasnt lost yet
Looks like his luck continues :lol: Just 3 more DFs and the match is in the bag :sport:

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
7 all

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
oh God. lol.

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
Wow... Even I smiled for that point :o

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
I don't think he wins the next game guys :sad:

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
I'm hoping I'm not the only one whose throat and heart feel sore.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:04 PM
7 all.. HOLD ROGER!!!

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
love 15
please roger hold

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
i have a bad feeling :|

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
*Heart best rapidly*

1st serve and aces PLEASE :o

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
love 30 lpease roger

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
I hate tennis

Greenday
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
This looks to be it guys!

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
This reminds of Borg-McEnroe so much, except Borg = Nadal here...

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
OMG... Federer looks like he's lost his will to fight. :(

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
0-30..:( Roger..

cath777
07-06-2008, 08:05 PM
another 0-30 start :rolleyes:

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
another 0-30, surely he can't keep holding like this

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
15 30 please roger please hold

elessar
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
Shittttt :mad:

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
yes!! amaing volley! aces PLEASE!

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
15 40 please roger

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
Too good

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
wow. :help:

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
You're still a fighter, Roger.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
15-40 :sad:

cath777
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
crap :(

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:07 PM
30 40

Greenday
07-06-2008, 08:07 PM
Tough luck Roger!

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:07 PM
Deuce

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:07 PM
YES! Thank God for slipping! :)

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:07 PM
Deuce.. Dying here...

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:07 PM
Got lucky again. Can't keep pressing his luck like this

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:08 PM
pfff adv nadal

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:08 PM
DEUCE
come oon champion

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:08 PM
Come On!! Ace Him!!

Greenday
07-06-2008, 08:08 PM
This is it guys!

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:08 PM
come on man

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:08 PM
ADv nadal again
please roger

cath777
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
what's with all the forehand errors :(

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
nadal serving for match

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
Good game Nadal. We all still respect your fight, Roger.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
Son of a bitch. I'm never watching tennis again

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
8-7 Nadal..

cath777
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
crap crap crap crap crap :(

crude oil
07-06-2008, 08:09 PM
well done nadal...what a champion

yomeK
07-06-2008, 08:10 PM
OMFG... Tentative.. :(

Fight :o

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:10 PM
This match really should have been over in straight sets. I have no clue how it got this far.

Mrs. B
07-06-2008, 08:10 PM
f*ck, the court was open but he hit it to nadal and it was out. :mad:

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:10 PM
you can only play houdini so many times...

I was surprised at how many weak serves he hit on the deuce side there. Just couldn't get the AD.

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:10 PM
Federer can bounce back and win the US Open guys. Novak's nowhere as good as Nadal.

Rommella
07-06-2008, 08:10 PM
This is painful. But at least, he gave it one big fight.

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:11 PM
love 15

elessar
07-06-2008, 08:11 PM
fuckety fuckety fuck.
This is even more painful than a straight set defeat. :mad:

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Federer can bounce back and win the US Open guys. Novak's nowhere as good as Nadal.

I don't know if he can. This could be hard to get over.

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:11 PM
15 all

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Too good

Greenday
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
This is it!.....Roger fought!....but at this stage u need a little bit of luck too!......Had he taken the breakpoint it would have been different in the 5th set!....Tough luck roger!.......better than losing on straight sets though!

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
30-15

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
fuckety fuckety fuck.
This is even more painful than a straight set defeat. :mad:
Yeah, him losing the third or fourth set breakers would have been better than this

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
30-15

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
hitting FH's an inch over the high part of the net at 7-7 in the fifth set at Wimby is a difficult proposition. Nadal has been the fresher and stronger player in the last two sets. He's held easily other than maybe twice and has gotten into every Federer game save 2 or 3.

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
Honestly, he plays well at the US Open. But that's true.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:12 PM
Tood bad he didn't lose that fourth set TB

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
30 all

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
30 all :scared:

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
half wishingj he lost that 4th set too

FairWeatherFan
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
I'm going to need to take a bit of a hiatus from tennis after this one.

elessar
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
Yeah, him losing the third or fourth set breakers would have been better than this
Clearly :spit:
I'd have been happy as hell :D

At least the match won't finish during your interview :tape:

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:13 PM
Nadal has done a great job returning just like last year. Fed hit some lines on those serves, Nada got them to within a foot of the baseline two or three times then won the rally with his stronger BH.

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
match point

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
match point

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
We all gotta give props to Nadal, though... and I think Roger will bounce back.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
I might not be back here for awhile guys. This is too tough

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
Mp Nadal

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:14 PM
Deuce

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
Ha, he's fighting till the end.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
Deuce

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
3 match points saved...more than all the match points saved in his career against Nadal.

Flibbertigibbet
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
this is over ha

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
mp #4

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
match point Nadal

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:15 PM
3 match points saved...more than all the match points saved in his career against Nadal.

Won't mean anything though, unfortunately.

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:16 PM
Its over. Roger lost

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:16 PM
GSM NADAl

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:16 PM
GSM:bigcry:

Noelman
07-06-2008, 08:16 PM
It's hard, painful.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:17 PM
Federer had a HUGE advantage going into the 5th. He's serving first, Nadal has just wasted match points, but he wasn't able to put pressure on Nadal's serve other than that last game.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:17 PM
:sad:

Rommella
07-06-2008, 08:17 PM
I am beat ...:bigcry:

crude oil
07-06-2008, 08:17 PM
makeable fh from federer...missed a routine one.

nobama
07-06-2008, 08:18 PM
That sucks. :sad: Especially Roger coming back from being 2 sets down.

Gotta give him props for the fight....and especially Nadal for never giving up himself. :worship:

I just hope this loss doesn't wreck the rest of Roger's season. I hope he can come back for Olympics and US Open.

mangoes
07-06-2008, 08:18 PM
Well.........it's over folks.........Hugs all around. I feel mixed now.......I want to cry for Roger.....but I'm happy Rafa. This is a big moment for him. If only Roger had won RG. This wouldn't hurt so badly.

FairWeatherFan
07-06-2008, 08:18 PM
Oh, man. Great match though.

It's a painful loss from which I'm sure we'll all take a long time to recover.
Time for me to go into hibernation mode from tennis. Maybe a good thing, when I was virtually shaking throughout most of this match it perhaps shows that I have in recent years become too involved in the sport.

Rommella
07-06-2008, 08:19 PM
Looks like he'll be losing the top spot by year-end.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:19 PM
Roger :hug:

nobama
07-06-2008, 08:19 PM
Yeah I'm glad Roger won't be playing for a while. I'll be switching off tennis mode for a long time.... :sad:

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:20 PM
/tough loss..
This season sucks.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:20 PM
Federer had a HUGE advantage going into the 5th. He's serving first, Nadal has just wasted match points, but he wasn't able to put pressure on Nadal's serve other than that last game.

That rain delay killed him. Nadal's groundstrokes were getting kind of shaky but after that he hardly missed. OTOH, Fed was very lucky to even get it to a FOURTH set, let alone a fifth.

Just too good from Nadal in the end. He was the better player and absolutely deserved this.

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:20 PM
At least the match won't finish during your interview :tape:
I probably would have been seriously destracted had the match been going on still tomorrow.

Noelman
07-06-2008, 08:21 PM
Oh, man. Great match though.

It's a painful loss from which I'm sure we'll all take a long time to recover.
Time for me to go into hibernation mode from tennis. Maybe a good thing, when I was virtually shaking throughout most of this match it perhaps shows that I have in recent years become too involved in the sport.

Me too,hibernation. It's just over. I don't know what I will do in the next few months, this one is really hard for all of us.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Looks like he'll be losing the top spot by year-end.

Who cares? He probably would have lost it even if he won the damn match.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:23 PM
Nadal was the stronger player during the last two sets and deserves the title. Fed has ony himself to blame for the first two sets.

As for the rest of Fed's season, it doesn't really matter other than the Olympics (according to him), and the USO. He's going to lose #1 unless Nadal gets injured.

If Federer had been able to pull this match out, he would've walked out feeling invincible and the possibilities for the last 5 months of the season would be endless.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:24 PM
I just threw away that match DVD from last years final. :lol: :sad: :sad: :sad:

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:25 PM
Another thing: Nadal was the fresher player at the end of the match. Fed came out energized after that 2nd rain delay, but late in the 5th, he was a 1/4th of a step too slow running around the BH, and was losing mph on the serve even though he hit some beautiful spots to save break points.

FairWeatherFan
07-06-2008, 08:25 PM
I never thought I would see the day when someone with Nadal's game style would win Wimbledon. This is a pretty low day for all of us lovers of classic, purist tennis.

I seriously need to rethink whether I want to keep watching tennis, or at least significantly decrease my level of fandom. This victory is just a smack in the face for those of us who love the game as it is meant to be played.

(Sorry to live up to my username :p)

robinhood
07-06-2008, 08:25 PM
Tough loss, indeed.
But I'm so proud of him for fighting back.
It all puts into perspective how remarkable these past four, five years have been.

THANK YOU, ROG!!!

juninhOH
07-06-2008, 08:25 PM
is it just me or is Roger crying there?

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:26 PM
HE BIT IT..NADAL BIT THE TROPHY..THAT MAKES IT WORSE... :sobbing: :sad:

nobama
07-06-2008, 08:27 PM
As much as the loss hurts at least Roger went down fighting. Wasn't he down 0-40 at one point in the 3rd or 4th set? In the 4th and 5th sets Nadal really gave him nothing other than in the TB. Roger was under constant pressure because Nadal was not missing. After a while that wears on you and the 1st serves are no longer going in, routine FH's are sent wide or into the net. I had a bad feeling in that 5th set even though Roger served first.

I'm not sure which is worse for Roger....losing in 3 straight or 9-7 in the 5th set. :sad:

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:27 PM
is it just me or is Roger crying there?

It looked like he was holding it back big time. He literally gave it everything he had but came up short. I'll save the beating I was going to give him for another time. ;)

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:28 PM
is it just me or is Roger crying there?

Hi didn't look too heartbroken during his interview but he's looking very sad sitting on his chair now.
:hug: Roger hope he'll recover from this, he played well to get back into the match but Nadal just kept up his great level of play.

juninhOH
07-06-2008, 08:28 PM
Argh man I'm so sad, this was a great opportunity for Federer to come close to 14 slams :(

that rain delay at the 5th sucked :/

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:28 PM
HE BIT IT..NADAL BIT THE TROPHY..THAT MAKES IT WORSE... :sobbing: :sad:

What else can we expect from that common pig.

Rommella
07-06-2008, 08:29 PM
He suddenly looks like the 18-year old at Basel, when he lost to Henman in the final.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:30 PM
As much as the loss hurts at least Roger went down fighting. Wasn't he down 0-40 at one point in the 3rd or 4th set? In the 4th and 5th sets Nadal really gave him nothing other than in the TB. Roger was under constant pressure because Nadal was not missing. After a while that wears on you and the 1st serves are no longer going in, routine FH's are sent wide or into the net. I had a bad feeling in that 5th set even though Roger served first.

I'm not sure which is worse for Roger....losing in 3 straight or 9-7 in the 5th set. :sad:

I had a good feeling until right before the 2nd rain delay. Then when he came back, he hit some really nice serves and I thought he would be able to pull out a win. Then Nadal starts holding easily other than the game Fed gets to BP and Fed struggles again and again and you could see the noose closing in. Nadal hit one of his best FH's on BP down, that inside-out FH that landed on the line.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 08:30 PM
As much as the loss hurts at least Roger went down fighting. Wasn't he down 0-40 at one point in the 3rd or 4th set? In the 4th and 5th sets Nadal really gave him nothing other than in the TB. Roger was under constant pressure because Nadal was not missing. After a while that wears on you and the 1st serves are no longer going in, routine FH's are sent wide or into the net. I had a bad feeling in that 5th set even though Roger served first.

I'm not sure which is worse for Roger....losing in 3 straight or 9-7 in the 5th set. :sad:

Yeah, at 3 all in the third he was down love 40. It's truly remarkable that this match went so deep into a fifth set. No one should ever doubt Fed's heart or mental strength again. Today, he was just the second best player.

BTW, what class from Roger to stay around. :worship: I remember Borg left after losing the 81 USO final.

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:31 PM
It looked like he was holding it back big time. He literally gave it everything he had but came up short. I'll save the beating I was going to give him for another time. ;)
Yeah, he's forgiven a bit :hug:because he did try and continue fighting throughout the match, he just wasn't good enough today. I'm still kinda:( at him for putting me through that rollercoaster of a match though.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:31 PM
is it just me or is Roger crying there?

He's holding it back. When he spoke to Sue Barker, it was so obvious that he was close to bawling, and I don't blame him:sad:

Rommella
07-06-2008, 08:33 PM
Now I only have to stay away from newspapers and TV for a week or two.

Mrs. B
07-06-2008, 08:34 PM
a classic match as it may be in the tennis books and played at a very high level, I am truly gutted and heartbroken by this loss, i wished Roger could have won a 6th title. :bigcry: :bigcry:

But Chapeau for putting up a fight, to me, you'll always be the real champ and your game fits Wimbledon. i have no doubt that you will win it again. :hug:

Big hugs to the fans here who have rooted for Roger all these years. :hug:

wackykid
07-06-2008, 08:34 PM
damn!! i was sleeping when i woke up in the middle of the night at 3:30am... went to check on the scores assuming that it has ended... only to find federer has clawed back to 5th set and tied at 2-2 when there was another rain delay again....? then i went back to bed and had insomnia and couldn't sleep!! in my mind was 2 pictures... one of a dramatic comeback win for federer... another was nadal holding the trophy... so i woke up again and checked the score again only to find that the comeback had been in vain.... :sad::sad::sad::sad:

nevertheless... i'm proud that roger didn't go down the match losing in straights sets... he almost pulled a houdini when the skies turned against him finally...



regards,
wacky

Noelman
07-06-2008, 08:37 PM
He's holding it back. When he spoke to Sue Barker, it was so obvious that he was close to bawling, and I don't blame him:sad:

Just want to hug him, give him all the supports.

crude oil
07-06-2008, 08:38 PM
its too bad.

federer also had a great chance to win against nalbandian and safin in the fifth set...its a pity he has to lose this one too...

nobama
07-06-2008, 08:40 PM
I'm hoping the media won't be too bad. Not as bad as they would have been with a straight sets beating.

Puschkin
07-06-2008, 08:40 PM
High quality tennis from both players. A great fight back from Roger. I don't know how Roger feels, but I feel much more proud of him than after Roland Garros. He gave it his all, it just was not enough in the end. I will always prefer his tennis to Nadal's (first serve and volley in the last game?), but :hatoff: to him. The victory was not stolen.

Black Adam
07-06-2008, 08:41 PM
Just popping in to say Congrats to Fed and his fans for such a great final. He went down swinging and fought all the way. You guys should take pride in that and look forward to USO.

Cheers folks,

Enjoy the hardcourt season :)

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 08:44 PM
The sad thing is that had he escaped, you would've seen him swing freely over the summer. Losing #1 wouldn't be as big a deal knowing that he still owned Wimbledon.

As for practical matters, he needs to work on his volley game which has deteriorated badly since Roche left and his BH. He was able to get Nadal on the defensive with maybe 2 BH's dtl and about 5 or 6 CC the entire match. That's not good enough.

MrChopin
07-06-2008, 08:45 PM
Fed needed this so much more than Rafa. I'm just gutted right now.

rocketassist
07-06-2008, 08:47 PM
You guys should be proud of the way Roger fought- Wimbledon is his stone fortress and he fought like a lion, but so did the man on the other side of the net and it's a shame someone had to lose.

The Olympics and the USO are still there, and unlike the start of the year he'll be going on hardcourts fully fit with no illness or injuries.

anon57
07-06-2008, 08:47 PM
I can't imagine not watching tennis anymore because of this match, this is the type of match I watch tennis for, ofcourse I'm dissapointed that Roger couldn't pull out the win in the end but Nadal was the better player today and it was a fabulous match, one of the best if not the best match I've ever seen.

Ksenia
07-06-2008, 08:47 PM
You broke my heart Roger :sad: But I still love.
It was the greatest match I've ever seen with the worst outcome.

I just want to say 6 words: The Best Is Yet To Come. I truly believe in this.

lunahielo
07-06-2008, 08:49 PM
Just want to hug him, give him all the supports.

I turned the TV off in the middle of the third set....couldn't handle it.

I guess I missed some good tennis...
but right now my heart is aching.
To Roger....:hug: :hug: :hug:

And to all of you who wanted this 6th straight Wimbledon.. :hug:
:hug:
Roger will be ok.
I will be ok.
But right now all I want to do is :sad:

luna
PS. And I still don't even know the score.
I guess I will find out soon enough.

Ariadne
07-06-2008, 08:49 PM
I felt sick watching Nadal "bite" that trophy...it seemed so bloody irreverant!!!

Daniel
07-06-2008, 08:49 PM
:sad: :sad:

juninhOH
07-06-2008, 08:53 PM
I hope can win the US Open, he really needs it more than ever. It would be a pity if he ended the year without a Grand Slam title :(

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:56 PM
Did Roger cry when JMac interviewed him??:eek:

nobama
07-06-2008, 08:56 PM
I didn't watch the ceremony but my mother called and said John McEnroe cut his interview with Roger short because Roger was starting to cry. :sad: Also McEnroe said he thought this was the best tennis match he's ever watched.

robinhood
07-06-2008, 08:57 PM
Let's not get too down here!

Every best player of the generation goes through a changing of the guard at some point in his career.
It's inevitable.

And I think Rafa is a deserving successor.

robinhood
07-06-2008, 08:59 PM
Oh yeah, Roger was fighting back tears big time there.

trickcy
07-06-2008, 08:59 PM
I didn't watch the ceremony but my mother called and said John McEnroe cut his interview with Roger short because Roger was starting to cry. :sad: Also McEnroe said he thought this was the best tennis match he's ever watched.

Oh my..:sad:
Roger :hug:

Marek.
07-06-2008, 09:00 PM
McEnroe gave Fed a hug and told him that he understood how he felt but I doubt it helped Fed when he told him it was the best match he ever saw.

Noelman
07-06-2008, 09:01 PM
I didn't watch the ceremony but my mother called and said John McEnroe cut his interview with Roger short because Roger was starting to cry. :sad: Also McEnroe said he thought this was the best tennis match he's ever watched.

Oh no...Did he really cried before McEnroe? My heart is aching...:sad:
No matter he can win USO or not. I just want him to be happy,enjoy his game. There's too many pressure on him and I can hardly feel he's happy anymore...

Daniel
07-06-2008, 09:05 PM
Roger is a very emotional human being. thats one of the reasons we love him.
Hope with time and the proper support team he can get over this horrible day of his life.
All i want for Roger is tobe happy in life and to enjoy what he does best, that is, playing tennis.

My heart is with you my champion Roger Federer :hug:

EternalxJourney
07-06-2008, 09:08 PM
Yea he lost but I'm actually not that disappointed because he fought his heart out there. I really just wanted to see him continue to fight out as opposed to just giving in, which he could've done when being down 2 sets. I'm very proud of Roger and will continue to cheer for him until the day he retires.

*Ljubica*
07-06-2008, 09:10 PM
Hi guys :wavey: Just wanted to pop in and say how sorry I am that Roger lost, - and how sad I am for him - and for all of you right now. He fought so hard to come back- but it just wasn't to be. But he will bounce back I'm sure.

Take care :hug:

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 09:12 PM
Federer's got a lot of tennis left in him. I don't know how he's going to react to this loss. I wrote after the RG loss that he would be fine for Wimbledon. I don't know about this loss. He has to get to work on his game in Dubai, not read the press and come out strong in the hardcourt season. At this point, the best thing for him would be to lose the #1 ranking and be done with every streak. Perhaps after an off-season of good work put in, he can come back and swing a little freer than he has in the past few years.

Raquel
07-06-2008, 09:19 PM
Let's not get too down here!

Every best player of the generation goes through a changing of the guard at some point in his career.
It's inevitable.

And I think Rafa is a deserving successor.

I agree, Rafa is a great champion.

I don't think the guard has totally changed yet though ;) As NYCtennisfan says, Roger has a LOT of tennis left in him.

Stevens Point
07-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Roger, I am so proud of him. :hug:

Rafa is a deserving Wimbledon champion. Great tennis from both. :hatoff:

Rafa deserves to be No.1 when it happens, but Roger is certainly not done yet. He will bounce back.

Marek.
07-06-2008, 09:27 PM
Okay, I was kind of young so I didn't really watch tennis in the 90s although I have watched alot of matches over the years. My question is, did Sampras have a bad a matchup that Nadal is to Fed? I mean, not only is Nadal a bad match up but he's also incredibly mentally tough and is able to bring it in almost every match. I know Krajicek was a bad matchup but he seemed inconsistant and maybe even a choker. Can someone clears this up for me? Thanks. :wavey:

robinhood
07-06-2008, 09:33 PM
I agree, Rafa is a great champion.

I don't think the guard has totally changed yet though ;) As NYCtennisfan says, Roger has a LOT of tennis left in him.

Oh yes, totally. :D
He's not exactly 37 years old.

Who knows, maybe in a few months time, we will look back on this day and shake our heads in disbelief that we thought he wasn't the best player any more.

But for now, I think we'd better get used to the idea of him not being the dominant #1 any more.
Just for our health, you know. :D

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 09:34 PM
Okay, I was kind of young so I didn't really watch tennis in the 90s although I have watched alot of matches over the years. My question is, did Sampras have a bad a matchup that Nadal is to Fed? I mean, not only is Nadal a bad match up but he's also incredibly mentally tough and is able to bring it in almost every match. I know Krajicek was a bad matchup but he seemed inconsistant and maybe even a choker. Can someone clears this up for me? Thanks. :wavey:

Krajicek played him the best. Other played well against him as well, but tennis was different back then. There wasn't any player like Nadal, that's for sure. There wasn't someone who could hit passing shots 10 feet behind the baseline with the ball 3 inches off of the ground. Movement from side-to-side wasn't as important because you could dictate play more the way the rackets were and the way the courts played and the balls they used. Sampras ran into problems when he played Hewitt who was part of the new wave who were used to big serves from juniors and could absorb power. Sampras looked helpless against Hewitt in the 2001 USO. 6-1, 6-1 the last two sets, passed left and right.

Not having to play from the back of the court, Sampras didn't have to worry about his weaker BH. He would lose a ton of rallies, 4 or 5 games in the set, but break once and take the set on the strength of his serve. You can't play like that anymore.

Lastly, there was less pressure on Sampras. He wasn't anointed the next GOAT at age 22 or 23. He didn't have to win every match he played. Nobody cared when horrible players beat him at RG time and again. When he came to Wimbledon, he didn't have to worry about people passing him the way Federer has to with Nadal.

taylor3698
07-06-2008, 09:43 PM
I must say that I was really surprised how much praise Rafa gave Roger. Try to make him feel better I guess. But he did look like he was about to cry when he was first interview by the British lady and then again when J.M interveiw him again. I was so sad too. :(

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 09:45 PM
Nadal has always praised him but before it was like, "If he plays good I can't no do nothing, no?" Now he's more sure of himself that if he plays his game, he will win.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 09:48 PM
Lastly on the match, Federer's inability to run to his FH wing didn't allow him to pull the trigger on FH's dtl or explosive CC FH's. The only thing that was working was the inside-out FH which was really on and kept the match close. Nadal's CC BH set up the weak looped CC FH from Fed as opposed to when he could whip it back CC or DTL. It took away so many options for him as far as point construction goes. Nadal saw it and exploited it again and again.

Winning another slam is going to be difficult without that movement to the FH.

robinhood
07-06-2008, 09:53 PM
Nadal has always praised him but before it was like, "If he plays good I can't no do nothing, no?" Now he's more sure of himself that if he plays his game, he will win.

:lol:
I must say Rafa's English has improved along with his game.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2008, 10:19 PM
Here's the interview. They ask him a lot about the light, just like they did at the 2005 RG. Hard to read into this one, but for the most part, this is the first interview off of clay where Federer kind of says, "There wasn't much I could do." There haven't been many if any matches in his career where he held 19 straight times and couldn't get near a break other than once.


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R. Federer Interview - 6 July



Sunday, 6 July 2008


Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer 6-4, 6-4, 6-7 (5-7), 6-7 (8-10), 9-7

Q. Did you say any thanks to the rains, the first delay? I think the rain helped you.

ROGER FEDERER: Look, I don't know.

Q. To find your game.

ROGER FEDERER: I didn't win the final, so it obviously didn't help that much.

Q. It's awfully soon afterwards, but how much can you appreciate what a fantastic match you were a part of?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, sort of. I mean, it's sort of always nice to be part of them, you know. Probably later on in life, you know, I'll go, That was a great match. But right now it's not much of a how do you say a feel good thing, you know, or a positive thing to end this match. But from my side I thought I played well, you know, and everything. Missed too many chances obviously in the first couple of sets. But Rafa played well, you know. I'm happy we lived up to the expectations, you know. I'm happy the way I fought. That's all I could really do.

Q. Was it too dark to play?

ROGER FEDERER: What can I tell you?

Q. Should it have had a better finish than that in near darkness?

ROGER FEDERER: It's hard to tell. Look, it's over, so... What's the point arguing about it? It's the way it is.

Q. Of all the shots that you've hit in your career, where would you rate the backhand that kept you in the match down match point?

ROGER FEDERER: Sure, I mean, it was an unbelievably important shot, you know, to hit. Probably was one of my first really backhand passing shots I hit all match. You know, to save it for match point was obviously great, especially after I think Rafa's shot. He hit just the previous one, the forehand, you know. The passing shot he hit I thought it was all over really. So for me to come up with that one was a great feeling. I had to turn it around and push it to the fifth set, was awesome. I really thought, you know, with winning last year in five, with the momentum, that it was going to be enough. But, you know, it wasn't, so it was quite unfortunate.

Q. How would you describe what Nadal did today?

ROGER FEDERER: Uhm, I think he played well. You know, I mean, I think he was rock solid the way we know him. He's definitely, you know, improved his game, you know. But I think since the beginning of the year he's been playing well. He's been playing very consistent. He's playing better on the quicker courts. I don't think he really needed a match like this today to really prove himself.
But for some only trophies count. I sort of agree to some stages. But, no, I mean, he's a great competitor, you know, a great player to play against, and I think he did very well today.

Q. What was your thinking on the very last shot when it was getting so dark? Did you just think, I'll try to get it over and let him deal with trying to see it, try to get it back?

ROGER FEDERER: I don't know. I was thinking first should I go up the line or cross court, and then I chose cross court and missed it. So, yeah, I mean, look, by that time maybe it was all over anyway, you know. But, yeah, maybe shouldn't have missed the shot. Maybe wouldn't have missed that on some other occasion. Who knows.

Q. Did you make any question about the light to anybody or you just kept playing?

ROGER FEDERER: Kept on playing. I didn't argue. I think I guess I would have said something if I would have broken back to go, what was it, 8 All. Yeah, because, I mean, it wasn't possible to play anymore, so... It would have been brutal for fans, for media, for us, for everybody to come back tomorrow. But what are you gonna do? It's rough on me now, obviously, you know, to lose the biggest tournament in the world over maybe a bit of light, you know. It's not the first time anyway against Rafa. Lost to him in Paris as well in the semis. So it's not a whole lot of fun, but it's the way it is. I can only congratulate Rafa for a great effort.

Q. Do you think the last chance you had to win this match was when you had a breakpoint to go 5 3 in the fifth or later on?

ROGER FEDERER: No, I mean, the chances were always there. I mean, I was ahead in the score, so that put pressure obviously on Rafa. I think I did well on a couple of big games to come back, you know, from Love 30, 15 40, and that increased pressure even more against him. I think I had once also maybe 30 All later on, or Love 15. I could have maybe put him under pressure just a little bit more, but I couldn't be put myself in position. The one breakpoint I had, I mean, he hit a great forehand. I couldn't really do a whole lot on that one.

Q. You lost 11 breakpoints out of the first 12. For what reason was that? You were nervous. Some returns were not at your usual standard, in my opinion. What do you think about it?

ROGER FEDERER: I mean, I wasn't happy the way I was playing breakpoints early on, no doubt, except the one I made. It was fantastic. I was definitely struggling in the wind a little bit. It was very gusty early on. It was tough conditions, you know. Well, sometimes Rafa played great. He came up with some unbelievable passing shots when he needed to, you know. And then other ones I played poorly on them, which I just think maybe I should have really decided much more what I really wanted to do, you know. But Rafa keeps you thinking, and that's what the best players do to each other in the end. Rafa also missed many opportunities later on. You always makes it hard for the opponent, and that's what we both do to each other.

Q. We know how much you respect him. Especially after that tiebreaker, were there any points in there where you're thinking, This kid has to fold up now? He has to be a little bit mentally crazy? A couple times you were down, served your way out of some real holes. Did you think at any point that he's got to crack at some stage?

ROGER FEDERER: Not really. I was just hoping, you know, or I was seeing that he was getting very nervous, you know, in that, what was it, fourth set tiebreaker where, I mean, I think he should have never lost the breaker in the end, you know. But he was really nervous. He didn't make the returns he usually does. He couldn't play aggressive. I played some okay shots, and it was enough to come back. So, I mean, I really thought, you know, that he was feeling it really a lot, you know, maybe the first time in his life. So I was hoping, like I said, with the momentum going into the fifth set, that it was going to be enough just from my end that I would play a little bit better. But I couldn't really, you know, play maybe my best when I really had to. And towards the end, like we know, with the light, it was tough. But it's not an excuse. Like I said, Rafa served well and played well and deserved to win in the end.

Q. You have such a deep love of the game and respect for it. The match today had so many elements, such a high level. Leading commentators are already talking about it being the best match in the history of this game. Could you reflect on that. Can you sense people would put it in that strong context already?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, look, it's not up to us to judge if it was the best ever. I think it's up to fans and the media to debate. I'm happy we put in a great effort, Rafa and myself. You know, it was a fair battle, which was tough with the rain delays. You know, some great points. Really I just think we both played tough till the very end, you know. In tennis, unfortunately sometimes there has to be winners and losers. You know, there's no draws. But I really had to push hard to come back. And I wasn't able to break him, I guess, in the last three sets, but still I pushed him right to the edge, you know. I guess, you know, with the fading light even the victory became even more special, similar to, you know, when Pete won his, what was it, 14 again Rafter, you know, also in the fading light. That looked incredible. I wish obviously it was me with the trophy, but that's the way it is now.

Q. Was this the toughest match of your career?

ROGER FEDERER: Probably my hardest loss, by far. I mean, it's not much harder than this right now, so...

Marek.
07-06-2008, 10:44 PM
I'm still uncertain how this loss will affect him. I mean, if I feel this terrible afterwards, how is he feeling? If he had lost it in the third or fourth I'm sure it wouldn't sting as much but after coming back and getting within two points of winning?

I know some people say that he should be proud of the effort and all that but I could only understand that concept if this was at RG. This was in a Wimbledon final with him going for 6 straight. He was only looking to win and nothing else.

Man, I need to find something else to keep me occupied.

*esther*
07-06-2008, 10:47 PM
I was totally gutted.:sad::sad::sad::sad:

Eden
07-06-2008, 10:49 PM
I will read everything in this thread later on. MTF is really slow for me.

Just wanted to say that I feel so sorry for Roger :sad:

Nobody can imagine how it is to play against the player who denied him several years in a row the only GS title missing in his collection. Not even Sampras had the pressure on his shoulders which Roger carries for some years now.

Roger reached the final of a GS and didn't dropped a set on this way. He lost the final against the player who beat him recently in a match where everyone wondered how he would come back from such a defeat. Nadal is a bad match-up for him and it surely doesn't help for the confidence to lose so often to a certain player, but the way Roger fought today is the way of a champion.

I really thought the match would be his after he won the TB in the 4th set, but Nadal has such an unbelievable mental strength. He wanted this title so badly and you have to give him credit for his victory.

Those 5sets losses are always the most difficult ones to take, but I'm sure Roger will find a way to survive it :)

mangoes
07-06-2008, 10:49 PM
There is so much irony today. I remember feeling completely happy when Roger ended Sampras run at Wimbledon. It's a couple years later and I feel like tennis is starting the end of the Federer era and I can now appreciate how Sampras must have felt back then. On the positive, Sampras went on to win Wimbledon again:D

EternalxJourney
07-06-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm still uncertain how this loss will affect him. I mean, if I feel this terrible afterwards, how is he feeling? If he had lost it in the third or fourth I'm sure it wouldn't sting as much but after coming back and getting within two points of winning?

I know some people say that he should be proud of the effort and all that but I could only understand that concept if this was at RG. This was in a Wimbledon final with him going for 6 straight. He was only looking to win and nothing else.

Man, I need to find something else to keep me occupied.

Me too. :sad::sad:

SUKTUEN
07-06-2008, 10:58 PM
my LORD please comfort Roger's heart tonight~~~:bowdown:

Roger try his best and play a wonderful match~~:bigcry::bigcry:
Hope Roger can be catch up after the holidays and come Back to us!!:smooch:

Allezzzzzzzzzzzzz Roger!!!:bigclap:
I love you!!:smooch:

Noelman
07-06-2008, 11:05 PM
Man, I need to find something else to keep me occupied.

A little bit afraid of tennis at this moment.:angel:
It's 7:00AM in my place and I still can't sleep :mad:
Hope Roger will be fine soon...hope so.

Minnie
07-06-2008, 11:19 PM
Not sure how I feel really .. seeing how I never quite saw Roger getting his 6th title ... no matter how much my heart wanted him to. My head told me there's a good reason why no one has won 6 Wimbledons in a row .. its called "Father Time" ... like 5 years is a generation in tennis terms and a younger, fitter, faster, stronger (and how!) player will come along to challenge and defeat the "older" generation ... which Roger now is. The past 5 years have flown by and have given me the most exciting times in tennis that I can ever recall. No doubt if I was younger I'd get excited by Nadal, but I'm older now and belong to a different generation myself. So Fed's classy style really appeals to me much more than the gutsy, "I'll drop dead if I don't win the next point" style of Nadal. I feel for Roger tonight - that title meant so much to him but in a way, he may in the cold light of day be glad to lay that burden down. He had to lose one day and whenever it happened, be it now or 5 years time, it would have been hard. Better for it to happen now when he's still young enough to regain it next year which I wouldn't bet against him doing.

clever1980
07-06-2008, 11:58 PM
Lastly on the match, Federer's inability to run to his FH wing didn't allow him to pull the trigger on FH's dtl or explosive CC FH's.


May I ask your opinion on why Roger is unable to run to his forehand anymore? Is it because of age?

I also thought his approach shots and volleys were awful as well. He seemed to be indecisive for many of the times.

crude oil
07-07-2008, 12:08 AM
obviously this is not the end...but i think it will take a lot to restore federer's confidence.

He needs to beat joker and/or nadal in a HC slam final for that to happen or beat them next yr at some point.

Roger is too much a confidence player...

rofe
07-07-2008, 12:14 AM
I have had some time to reflect on this match and the main thing that stood out for me is that Nadal played a tactically better match than Fed with the help of his improved serve.

We all knew that Nadal can pass from 10 feet behind the baseline, can pummel Roger's BH mercilessly and can hit his inside out forehand with enough topspin to just make it drop in but was was amazing to me is how he was able to come up with a surprise serve each time he was under pressure. This included serves to Roger's forehand on the duece and ad court, kickers with no pace and more importantly serves to the body. Time and time again, you could see how Nadal relied on them to get him out of trouble by jamming Federer. It didn't matter that the ace count between them was so lopsided because Nadal had more unreturnables on big points. Federer, for all his tactical acumen did a very poor job of anticipating Nadal's serve and adjusting accordingly.

I hate to say this but Nadal was smarter on court than Fed on Fed's best surface today. Nadal tightened up in the 3rd and 4th set or this would have been over in a hurry.

So where does Fed go from here? This is going to be his toughest loss yet and I feel that he will be the #2 seed going into the USO. Maybe that will be a blessing in disguise for him and lower people's expectations allowing him to perform better or he may go into a downward spiral and never recover from it. Lets hope it is the former.

Or Levy
07-07-2008, 12:59 AM
I'm gutted. Simply gutteed for Roger. That clip with Jmac... I realize he wanted to comfort Roger, but the sympathy, the emotions in Jmac's voice, and the offer of a hug pretty much made SURE Roger would cry. Should have just left him alone, the lump in his throat was growing with every extra word he had to utter, don't know how he kept it together. At the ceremony, the first few words he said... for a sec I was worried we were going to get a Basel 2001 moment.

I'm just sad. So Sad. AFter that come back...

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 01:03 AM
There is so much irony today. I remember feeling completely happy when Roger ended Sampras run at Wimbledon. It's a couple years later and I feel like tennis is starting the end of the Federer era and I can now appreciate how Sampras must have felt back then. On the positive, Sampras went on to win Wimbledon again:D

He never won Wimby again, but he did make a USO final and then won one again. :)

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 01:06 AM
May I ask your opinion on why Roger is unable to run to his forehand anymore? Is it because of age?

I also thought his approach shots and volleys were awful as well. He seemed to be indecisive for many of the times.

Age, wear and tear, something to do with either his feet, hip, something else that he never told anyone. He's played over 400 matches since the beginning of 2004 so it could be a lot of things. I think it's safe to say that it's not going to come back overnight, so he's going to have to find other things in his game to improve to make up for it. I don't think there's anything he can do to completely compensate for it and that's what makes it tough.

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 01:15 AM
I have had some time to reflect on this match and the main thing that stood out for me is that Nadal played a tactically better match than Fed with the help of his improved serve.

We all knew that Nadal can pass from 10 feet behind the baseline, can pummel Roger's BH mercilessly and can hit his inside out forehand with enough topspin to just make it drop in but was was amazing to me is how he was able to come up with a surprise serve each time he was under pressure. This included serves to Roger's forehand on the duece and ad court, kickers with no pace and more importantly serves to the body. Time and time again, you could see how Nadal relied on them to get him out of trouble by jamming Federer. It didn't matter that the ace count between them was so lopsided because Nadal had more unreturnables on big points. Federer, for all his tactical acumen did a very poor job of anticipating Nadal's serve and adjusting accordingly.

I hate to say this but Nadal was smarter on court than Fed on Fed's best surface today. Nadal tightened up in the 3rd and 4th set or this would have been over in a hurry.

So where does Fed go from here? This is going to be his toughest loss yet and I feel that he will be the #2 seed going into the USO. Maybe that will be a blessing in disguise for him and lower people's expectations allowing him to perform better or he may go into a downward spiral and never recover from it. Lets hope it is the former.

1. Nadal mixed up the serve really well. If you look at last year's final, he hit to the BH on every point. He was jamming Fed, hitting it to the FH, and just plain doing things differently than he has done every other time they have ever played. Nadal saw that Fed returned well at RG so he came in with a diffferent plan here.

2. Federer was limited in his options in the rallies due to the fact that he had no explosion to whip the ball convincingly CC and wasn't get to it fast enough to go down the line other than maybe 2 or 3 times in a match that had 60 games and 2 TB'ers. :eek:

His CC FH was non-existent (something that worried you earlier) and was made up for slightly by the fact that he was hitting his inside-out FH so well.

3. Federer did a decent job of playing some defensive CC BH's and a few drives down the middle of the court, but he didn't threaten Nadal at all with the DTL. This makes it so hard to win rallies. It reminded me in many ways of when Fed was playing Hewitt on Monday. Hewitt would do the same thing over and over again with the BH and it was ZERO threat to FEd and made him feel comfortable from the baseline.

4. Even though Federer served well other than the 4th set, Nadal got his racket on enough balls and sent them deep enough to start rallies in the 5th set. Federer had a very hard time hitting his slider up the T on the AD court and this limited him. I thought Nadal returned better last year, but Fed probably served better this year.

5. Nadal's unbelieveable play under pressure. At BP down, 3-4 down, he just goes for his biggest inside-out FH of the day and hits it on the baseline. Unbelieveable. Great serving under pressure, great rallying on big points...have to give credit there.

He was a few points away from feeling invincible again, but who knows now. I think Nadal will become #1 after Cincy and we'll see what Fed can do at the USO. Like I said before, physically, he's got a lot of game left. It might not be dominant Federer, but he's still got enough left to win slams. A good off-season and the pressure of all the streaks might do wonders for him. He needs to get to work on his BH and volleys, something Roche improved dramatically.

clever1980
07-07-2008, 01:17 AM
Age, wear and tear, something to do with either his feet, hip, something else that he never told anyone. He's played over 400 matches since the beginning of 2004 so it could be a lot of things. I think it's safe to say that it's not going to come back overnight, so he's going to have to find other things in his game to improve to make up for it. I don't think there's anything he can do to completely compensate for it and that's what makes it tough.

Sigh.........

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 01:21 AM
Sigh.........

Yeah...but that's just the way it is. Sampras lost a step coming to net and Hewitt, Safin, and others passed him left, right and center, but he still won another slam. Agassi coudn't move to his BH side in his 30's yet still won a slam. Becker's serve became weaker and weaker as he got older since he couldn't get the same knee bend and explosion but he still won a slam at the AO. It happens to all the greats. That's why losing this one was so tough. He pulls it out and he's got 13 slams, the 6 Wimby's and a good shot at 14 or 15 or 16.

Marek.
07-07-2008, 01:27 AM
Do you still think he can get three more?

clever1980
07-07-2008, 01:27 AM
1.
He was a few points away from feeling invincible again, but who knows now. I think Nadal will become #1 after Cincy and we'll see what Fed can do at the USO. Like I said before, physically, he's got a lot of game left. It might not be dominant Federer, but he's still got enough left to win slams. A good off-season and the pressure of all the streaks might do wonders for him. He needs to get to work on his BH and volleys, something Roche improved dramatically.

I wish he would hire a coach soon for serve and volley. He seems to be missing the net feel nowadays. I really hope he'd come back stronger during hard court season and I believe that he will. I could see how much he wants to win by the third set today.

clever1980
07-07-2008, 01:31 AM
Yeah...but that's just the way it is. Sampras lost a step coming to net and Hewitt, Safin, and others passed him left, right and center, but he still won another slam. Agassi coudn't move to his BH side in his 30's yet still won a slam. Becker's serve became weaker and weaker as he got older since he couldn't get the same knee bend and explosion but he still won a slam at the AO. It happens to all the greats. That's why losing this one was so tough. He pulls it out and he's got 13 slams, the 6 Wimby's and a good shot at 14 or 15 or 16.

My heart bled when I saw his interview with J MaC. I still believe in Roger, that he will do what it takes to equal or surpass 14 GSs.

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 01:36 AM
Do you still think he can get three more?

Seems difficult, but I think he can. It's going to depend on this USO, next years AO, and next year's Wimbledon. He has to win at least one of those and hopefully 2 of them.

rofe
07-07-2008, 01:47 AM
1. Nadal mixed up the serve really well. If you look at last year's final, he hit to the BH on every point. He was jamming Fed, hitting it to the FH, and just plain doing things differently than he has done every other time they have ever played. Nadal saw that Fed returned well at RG so he came in with a diffferent plan here.

2. Federer was limited in his options in the rallies due to the fact that he had no explosion to whip the ball convincingly CC and wasn't get to it fast enough to go down the line other than maybe 2 or 3 times in a match that had 60 games and 2 TB'ers. :eek:

His CC FH was non-existent (something that worried you earlier) and was made up for slightly by the fact that he was hitting his inside-out FH so well.

3. Federer did a decent job of playing some defensive CC BH's and a few drives down the middle of the court, but he didn't threaten Nadal at all with the DTL. This makes it so hard to win rallies. It reminded me in many ways of when Fed was playing Hewitt on Monday. Hewitt would do the same thing over and over again with the BH and it was ZERO threat to FEd and made him feel comfortable from the baseline.

4. Even though Federer served well other than the 4th set, Nadal got his racket on enough balls and sent them deep enough to start rallies in the 5th set. Federer had a very hard time hitting his slider up the T on the AD court and this limited him. I thought Nadal returned better last year, but Fed probably served better this year.

5. Nadal's unbelieveable play under pressure. At BP down, 3-4 down, he just goes for his biggest inside-out FH of the day and hits it on the baseline. Unbelieveable. Great serving under pressure, great rallying on big points...have to give credit there.

He was a few points away from feeling invincible again, but who knows now. I think Nadal will become #1 after Cincy and we'll see what Fed can do at the USO. Like I said before, physically, he's got a lot of game left. It might not be dominant Federer, but he's still got enough left to win slams. A good off-season and the pressure of all the streaks might do wonders for him. He needs to get to work on his BH and volleys, something Roche improved dramatically.

The CC FH was pretty much absent but he didn't make enough of them. I wonder if fears that he will lose control of the point if he is in a cc FH to Nadal BH exchange. Nadal's BH is a weapon now on faster surfaces because he can take the ball early and flatten it cc or dtl. Who would have thought that in 2005?

I am still not sure what Higgy brings to the table for Roger. Atleast with Roche, you knew that they would focus on volleys.

rofe
07-07-2008, 01:51 AM
Do you still think he can get three more?

That is a million dollar question. Here is how I see it - #13 will be tougher than #12, #14 will be even tougher and Roger will need to be at his absolute mental and physical best to get #15. #15 is when he will have to fight his nervousness and the opponent more than ever. He still has the game to do it but he will need a bit of luck to get to #15.

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 01:53 AM
For those of you who haven't seen it, here's a link to the post-match interview with JMac...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22825103/vp/25558349#25558525

cath777
07-07-2008, 01:59 AM
Thanks to all for being so welcoming earlier. Shame the result wasn't in Roger's favour :hug:

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 02:02 AM
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2008-07-06/200807061215381587609.html

Darkest hour for Federer

Sunday, 6 July 2008
Written by Drew Lilley

After his epic five-set battle, Roger Federer was due in the press interview room at 9.55pm, with the newly minted champion Rafael Nadal next up at 10.20pm. Perhaps to make sure that he would only have to do the 10-minute minimum as the world waited for him to dissect his defeat, the beaten finalist eventually appeared, red-eyed and disconsolate, at 10.10pm on the dot. What followed was as much of a roller-coaster as the match itself.

"I thought we both played well," he said, before beginning a litany of lethargically raised eyebrows and shrugged shoulders. "The rain didn’t help me that much – I didn’t win the match, did I? I was struggling with the wind a little bit and the light was tough but that was not an excuse. This is probably the hardest loss of my career so far."

Once the conference moved into French, Federer suddenly became decidedly more blunt and to the point. "I couldn’t see who I was playing against by the end," he said with another shrug which he used as punctuation to make it quite clear that he had no intention of giving a more detailed answer.

When asked whether it was a consolation that it was a great player like Nadal who had put an end to his 65-match winning streak, Federer’s humour became even darker. "No. Zero consolation. I didn’t learn anything new from today – certainly not about how to play him on grass. This really hurts… Losing Paris for me was nothing, losing here is a disaster." No more, no less.

The straw that broke the camel’s back came when he was quizzed about the vast haul of points he will have to defend in the coming tournaments – far more than Nadal – if he is to remain number one in the rankings. "Write what you want," he glowered after a sigh, a pause and a shrug. "I’m going to try to win at the Olympics and the US Open and have a good end to the season. That’s it."

Though the Swiss German media tried to perk his spirits up by asking him whether he would take some holidays prior to beginning the second half of the hard-court season, there was no consoling Roger. The bigger they come, the harder they fall, and there had been none bigger than Federer here at Wimbledon.

It appears he shows some of his true feelings in the French portion of the interview.

cath777
07-07-2008, 02:22 AM
"No. Zero consolation. I didn’t learn anything new from today – certainly not about how to play him on grass. This really hurts… Losing Paris for me was nothing, losing here is a disaster."

That's tough to read, I can't imagine how he feels :sad:

I hope he has an excellent hard court season

rofe
07-07-2008, 02:33 AM
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2008-07-06/200807061215381587609.html

Darkest hour for Federer

Sunday, 6 July 2008
Written by Drew Lilley

After his epic five-set battle, Roger Federer was due in the press interview room at 9.55pm, with the newly minted champion Rafael Nadal next up at 10.20pm. Perhaps to make sure that he would only have to do the 10-minute minimum as the world waited for him to dissect his defeat, the beaten finalist eventually appeared, red-eyed and disconsolate, at 10.10pm on the dot. What followed was as much of a roller-coaster as the match itself.

"I thought we both played well," he said, before beginning a litany of lethargically raised eyebrows and shrugged shoulders. "The rain didn’t help me that much – I didn’t win the match, did I? I was struggling with the wind a little bit and the light was tough but that was not an excuse. This is probably the hardest loss of my career so far."

Once the conference moved into French, Federer suddenly became decidedly more blunt and to the point. "I couldn’t see who I was playing against by the end," he said with another shrug which he used as punctuation to make it quite clear that he had no intention of giving a more detailed answer.

When asked whether it was a consolation that it was a great player like Nadal who had put an end to his 65-match winning streak, Federer’s humour became even darker. "No. Zero consolation. I didn’t learn anything new from today – certainly not about how to play him on grass. This really hurts… Losing Paris for me was nothing, losing here is a disaster." No more, no less.

The straw that broke the camel’s back came when he was quizzed about the vast haul of points he will have to defend in the coming tournaments – far more than Nadal – if he is to remain number one in the rankings. "Write what you want," he glowered after a sigh, a pause and a shrug. "I’m going to try to win at the Olympics and the US Open and have a good end to the season. That’s it."

Though the Swiss German media tried to perk his spirits up by asking him whether he would take some holidays prior to beginning the second half of the hard-court season, there was no consoling Roger. The bigger they come, the harder they fall, and there had been none bigger than Federer here at Wimbledon.

It appears he shows some of his true feelings in the French portion of the interview.

Yup, not surprising. It will be interesting to see if he recovers from this blow. For my sake, I hope he does. ;)

crude oil
07-07-2008, 02:35 AM
1. Nadal mixed up the serve really well. If you look at last year's final, he hit to the BH on every point. He was jamming Fed, hitting it to the FH, and just plain doing things differently than he has done every other time they have ever played. Nadal saw that Fed returned well at RG so he came in with a diffferent plan here.

2. Federer was limited in his options in the rallies due to the fact that he had no explosion to whip the ball convincingly CC and wasn't get to it fast enough to go down the line other than maybe 2 or 3 times in a match that had 60 games and 2 TB'ers. :eek:

His CC FH was non-existent (something that worried you earlier) and was made up for slightly by the fact that he was hitting his inside-out FH so well.

3. Federer did a decent job of playing some defensive CC BH's and a few drives down the middle of the court, but he didn't threaten Nadal at all with the DTL. This makes it so hard to win rallies. It reminded me in many ways of when Fed was playing Hewitt on Monday. Hewitt would do the same thing over and over again with the BH and it was ZERO threat to FEd and made him feel comfortable from the baseline.

4. Even though Federer served well other than the 4th set, Nadal got his racket on enough balls and sent them deep enough to start rallies in the 5th set. Federer had a very hard time hitting his slider up the T on the AD court and this limited him. I thought Nadal returned better last year, but Fed probably served better this year.

5. Nadal's unbelieveable play under pressure. At BP down, 3-4 down, he just goes for his biggest inside-out FH of the day and hits it on the baseline. Unbelieveable. Great serving under pressure, great rallying on big points...have to give credit there.

He was a few points away from feeling invincible again, but who knows now. I think Nadal will become #1 after Cincy and we'll see what Fed can do at the USO. Like I said before, physically, he's got a lot of game left. It might not be dominant Federer, but he's still got enough left to win slams. A good off-season and the pressure of all the streaks might do wonders for him. He needs to get to work on his BH and volleys, something Roche improved dramatically.

Good post.

I think its very unfair for anyone to criticize roger's lack of balls or clutch play certainly from the 3rd set on. I just think that when nadal gets depth on his bh, it becomes very difficult to be aggressive with his own fh.

In fact in those final few games, rafa stopped being tentative on the bh and really punished a couple.

The burden unfortunately is on federer since rafa's game plan is so clear cut and so sound against roger. Whereas roger is so indecisive because its hard to attack rafa when he plays with that kind of depth. Roger has so many tools but using the right one at the right time is difficult for him.

i wish roger would hit through his bh cc a little more. He tried to hit the low margin dtl too much today, and the game in which he got broken he had a bh that sat up and just hit a weak straight drive that nadal smashed and took control of the point.

Roger just cannot go to rafa's bh with his own bh like he used to unless its a well struck shot . Rafa's bh has become a ridiculous weapon.

As rofe said, even though fed served 25 aces, rafa had many unreturnables as well.

SUKTUEN
07-07-2008, 02:44 AM
For those of you who haven't seen it, here's a link to the post-match interview with JMac...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22825103/vp/25558349#25558525

thansk for the link~ my dear Roger is cry~~~:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

soraya
07-07-2008, 02:51 AM
Big:hug:to all of you. It was meant to end this way and Roger did not go down easily.

robinhood
07-07-2008, 03:24 AM
Gosh, FEEL BETTER SOON!!
I hope he will be able to put this loss behind him and use it as a motivation for the next chapter of his career.

He's too good a player not to.

JediFed
07-07-2008, 03:42 AM
Damn, what a loss. :(

4hrs, 48 minutes. Comes back from two sets down.

This will be a match that people will still talk about 50 years from now. Federer, like Borg will be remembered more in his loss then in his wins.

Couple things here.

1. He has not lost anything he cannot regain again. He smashed Borg's streak tonight.

2. He's still number one going into his strongest surface.

3. Every record he is still chasing are all the longevity records. Most number of Grand Slams. Most number of total week number 1. He's 26, and to be only 2 slams away from these records is phenomenal.

He's already set the longest streak ever at Wimbly, and will set the longest streak at the USO this year.

NYCtennisfan
07-07-2008, 04:08 AM
The CC FH was pretty much absent but he didn't make enough of them. I wonder if fears that he will lose control of the point if he is in a cc FH to Nadal BH exchange. Nadal's BH is a weapon now on faster surfaces because he can take the ball early and flatten it cc or dtl. Who would have thought that in 2005?

I am still not sure what Higgy brings to the table for Roger. Atleast with Roche, you knew that they would focus on volleys.

This exchange was working wonders during MC and Hamburg this season on clay and is better than the BH to Nadal FH exchange. :) He just didn't have the explosion into the ball on the shot or the quick enough movement to get to the ball to do it.

I thought the Nadal we have seen over the past 4 weeks would emerge after the 2006 Wimby final. Nadal was crushing CC BH's and then it went away as soon as the hardcourt season started. Nadal still doesn't threaten to hit winners dtl with the BH, but if he starts doing that, there will be no winning any baseline rallies with him.

nobama
07-07-2008, 04:16 AM
I'm sure this will sound like sour grapes (and yes I'm still in a pissy mood) but I'm really getting sick of all this humility (I would call it false humility) from Nadal. Win or lose he keeps going on about how Roger's the greatest. I'm sure he likes Roger as a person and I don't doubt they get along well, but it seems like a backhanded complement, or a way of making his achievements seem all the more impressive. But he does a great job of painting himself as the underdog in their rivalry when cleary he's not.

One other thing I noticed is BOTH players complained in their pressers about the light towards the end of the match. I think Nadal even admitted he couldn't really see who was on the other side of the net, or the ball very well. Roger also said had he been able to break back to get it to 8-8 he would have asked for play to be suspended. I know that's not an excuse for his loss (and Roger said so himself), but this happened at '05 RG SF where Roger complained about having a hard time seeing the ball in that 4th set. And Nadal himself said had Roger won that set they would've finished the match the next day. I know the organizers were going to do everything in their power to finish this match today but playing in near dark conditions isn't right. Even if it is the same for both players. Especially if Roger has trouble seeing when it gets darker out. Of course he could have requested the match be suspended but I'm sure he didn't like the thought of having to come back another day to finish, and didn't want to be accused of gamesmanship or anything like that.

Marek.
07-07-2008, 04:18 AM
As far as I can remember, his CC FH has been fairly inconsistent since about Dubai 2007. I thought his FH looked good overall today, even if it was the shot that eventually lost it for him. Especially considering how much he had depended on it due to his BH having nothing on it.

nobama
07-07-2008, 04:22 AM
I must admit I'm :unsure: what this loss will do to Roger mentally. I've never seen him so sad after a loss, except maybe Rome '06 but at least that was on clay. Then to hear Roger say this result was a "disaster"....I think this match will haunt him for a long time to come, maybe forever. All day family and friends were saying to me how Roger should be proud that he came back from 2 sets down to almost win. But in my mind Roger thinks of Wimbledon as his home, and while I don't think he underestimated Nadal, I do think he still expected to come out on top today, whatever the scoreline.

I'm glad Roger has some time off before he plays again. He will need to clear his mind and regroup. Of course there are things he needs to work on in his game but IMO what's most important now is mentally regrouping so he can be fresh for Olympics and USO.

nobama
07-07-2008, 04:27 AM
I read on RF.com that during the 1st rain delay it was Mirka in the locker room with Roger giving him advice - not Luthi or anyone else. Whatever she said at least got him to a 5th set. :lol: Not sure who, if anyone, was with him during the 2nd rain delay.

marat_roger
07-07-2008, 04:30 AM
Roger's post match interview is devastating :bigcry:

Federerhingis
07-07-2008, 04:30 AM
Sorry to step in so late and too keep pulling strings and lenthning the issue, but did Roger step it up in the middle two sets or did Nadal fade away a little and Roger just took advantage of it. I guess this is partly true, he said so himself that he started seeing the nerves from Nadal towards the end of the fourth. ?

Oh well lets see what he can accomplish at the olympics, the US summer hard court season, the US OPEN and the Masters Cup. Lets all just move on and hope Roger does the same. Back to the drawing board and working hard to improve and have better results. :D

oneandonlyhsn
07-07-2008, 05:13 AM
I cried myself to sleep and I dont feel any better this morning, I feel absolutely gutted. I wonder what Roger must be going through :sad:

trickcy
07-07-2008, 06:07 AM
I must admit I'm :unsure: what this loss will do to Roger mentally. I've never seen him so sad after a loss, except maybe Rome '06 but at least that was on clay. Then to hear Roger say this result was a "disaster"....I think this match will haunt him for a long time to come, maybe forever. All day family and friends were saying to me how Roger should be proud that he came back from 2 sets down to almost win. But in my mind Roger thinks of Wimbledon as his home, and while I don't think he underestimated Nadal, I do think he still expected to come out on top today, whatever the scoreline.

I'm glad Roger has some time off before he plays again. He will need to clear his mind and regroup. Of course there are things he needs to work on in his game but IMO what's most important now is mentally regrouping so he can be fresh for Olympics and USO.

That's the thing, isn't it? If he had pulled this off, he'd have felt pretty damn good going into the hardcourts, he would have had 13 slams and Sampras record would have been so close. It's still tantalizingly close, but it's going to be difficult now.... Now, not only does Nadal have the confidence from the clay season, but he is unbeaten on grass - it's so ironic, it's funny :haha: :sad: .

He should have if he didn't and I think he did..Those first two sets where he won more points but lost them will really haunt him..

He has just two weeks this year though..In the long run, this USO is going to be extremely crucial . Among this USO, AO 09, Wimbledon 09, if he wins one/two of those, it'll be awesome.

Hopefully Roger comes back strong after this..

MrChopin
07-07-2008, 06:12 AM
Thanks for the links NYC (though they returned me to my post-match depression :sad:). I don't feel like adding anything analytical to the discussion.

I really like Rafa, and he totally deserved to win it in the fifth, but this was a more important match for Fed given his abysmal start to the year, the press writing him off, issues of self-confidence... and then the presser and JMac interview... :bigcry: That should be mandatory viewing for anybody that has had the balls to criticize Fed as "inhuman."

Naide
07-07-2008, 07:43 AM
He'll bounce back :hug:
Champions always do.

BlueSwan
07-07-2008, 08:10 AM
I agree that this loss is devastating. Losing to Rafa on clay is one thing, but having to concede Wimbledon to him quite another. If Roger manages to bounce back from this I'll be extremely impressed.

The Sampras GS record looks like a stretch now and the #1 record almost an impossibility. After Sampras started to decline, he was fortunate enough not be succeeded by a new dominator, instead a lot of players took turns at #1 and allowed for Sampras too, to grab a number of slams on the way while also clocking in several further weeks at #1. Roger is really unfortunate that Nadal is as good on grass as he is - after all he "ought" to be mediocre on grass, but somehow is brilliant instead. If that hadn't been the case, Roger could comfortably have won Wimbledon for some years to come, while grabbing an occasional US Open title as well - just like Sampras did.

Mug era my ass.

FairWeatherFan
07-07-2008, 08:17 AM
It may be tough for Federer to break the slam record. This year we have undoubtedly seen his ground game become weaker and whilst this may be due to the mono-nucleosis it may also be natural decline as he ages and moves past his peak years.
Sampras was able to win a lot of matches even when his ground game was weak due to his serve. That last US Open Win Sampras pulled off was almost wholly due to his serve, he was still barely reaching the service-line when going for the first volley.
Federer's serve, of course, is nowhere near as good as Sampras'. I have always felt that Federer would be less successful than Sampras in his later years due to this fact.

FairWeatherFan
07-07-2008, 08:21 AM
I can't believe Nadal actually bit the Wimbledon trophy :o

trickcy
07-07-2008, 08:22 AM
Roger also relies on his movement a whole lot more than Sampras ever did. Oh boy, things don't exactly look all that bright, do they?

trickcy
07-07-2008, 08:23 AM
I can't believe Nadal actually bit the Wimbledon trophy :o

:tape: :o

Btw, a Swiss fan said that Roger will be playing doubles with Stan in Toronto. Can anybody confirm if that's true?

Daniel
07-07-2008, 09:46 AM
Sunday, 6 July 2008


Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer 6-4, 6-4, 6-7 (5-7), 6-7 (8-10), 9-7

Q. Did you say any thanks to the rains, the first delay? I think the rain helped you.

ROGER FEDERER: Look, I don't know.

Q. To find your game.

ROGER FEDERER: I didn't win the final, so it obviously didn't help that much.

Q. It's awfully soon afterwards, but how much can you appreciate what a fantastic match you were a part of?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, sort of. I mean, it's sort of always nice to be part of them, you know. Probably later on in life, you know, I'll go, That was a great match. But right now it's not much of a how do you say a feel good thing, you know, or a positive thing to end this match. But from my side I thought I played well, you know, and everything. Missed too many chances obviously in the first couple of sets. But Rafa played well, you know. I'm happy we lived up to the expectations, you know. I'm happy the way I fought. That's all I could really do.

Q. Was it too dark to play?

ROGER FEDERER: What can I tell you?

Q. Should it have had a better finish than that in near darkness?

ROGER FEDERER: It's hard to tell. Look, it's over, so... What's the point arguing about it? It's the way it is.

Q. Of all the shots that you've hit in your career, where would you rate the backhand that kept you in the match down match point?

ROGER FEDERER: Sure, I mean, it was an unbelievably important shot, you know, to hit. Probably was one of my first really backhand passing shots I hit all match. You know, to save it for match point was obviously great, especially after I think Rafa's shot. He hit just the previous one, the forehand, you know. The passing shot he hit I thought it was all over really. So for me to come up with that one was a great feeling. I had to turn it around and push it to the fifth set, was awesome. I really thought, you know, with winning last year in five, with the momentum, that it was going to be enough. But, you know, it wasn't, so it was quite unfortunate.

Q. How would you describe what Nadal did today?

ROGER FEDERER: Uhm, I think he played well. You know, I mean, I think he was rock solid the way we know him. He's definitely, you know, improved his game, you know. But I think since the beginning of the year he's been playing well. He's been playing very consistent. He's playing better on the quicker courts. I don't think he really needed a match like this today to really prove himself.
But for some only trophies count. I sort of agree to some stages. But, no, I mean, he's a great competitor, you know, a great player to play against, and I think he did very well today.

Q. What was your thinking on the very last shot when it was getting so dark? Did you just think, I'll try to get it over and let him deal with trying to see it, try to get it back?

ROGER FEDERER: I don't know. I was thinking first should I go up the line or cross court, and then I chose cross court and missed it. So, yeah, I mean, look, by that time maybe it was all over anyway, you know. But, yeah, maybe shouldn't have missed the shot. Maybe wouldn't have missed that on some other occasion. Who knows.

Q. Did you make any question about the light to anybody or you just kept playing?

ROGER FEDERER: Kept on playing. I didn't argue. I think I guess I would have said something if I would have broken back to go, what was it, 8 All. Yeah, because, I mean, it wasn't possible to play anymore, so... It would have been brutal for fans, for media, for us, for everybody to come back tomorrow. But what are you gonna do? It's rough on me now, obviously, you know, to lose the biggest tournament in the world over maybe a bit of light, you know. It's not the first time anyway against Rafa. Lost to him in Paris as well in the semis. So it's not a whole lot of fun, but it's the way it is. I can only congratulate Rafa for a great effort.

Q. Do you think the last chance you had to win this match was when you had a breakpoint to go 5 3 in the fifth or later on?

ROGER FEDERER: No, I mean, the chances were always there. I mean, I was ahead in the score, so that put pressure obviously on Rafa. I think I did well on a couple of big games to come back, you know, from Love 30, 15 40, and that increased pressure even more against him. I think I had once also maybe 30 All later on, or Love 15. I could have maybe put him under pressure just a little bit more, but I couldn't be put myself in position. The one breakpoint I had, I mean, he hit a great forehand. I couldn't really do a whole lot on that one.

Q. You lost 11 breakpoints out of the first 12. For what reason was that? You were nervous. Some returns were not at your usual standard, in my opinion. What do you think about it?

ROGER FEDERER: I mean, I wasn't happy the way I was playing breakpoints early on, no doubt, except the one I made. It was fantastic. I was definitely struggling in the wind a little bit. It was very gusty early on. It was tough conditions, you know. Well, sometimes Rafa played great. He came up with some unbelievable passing shots when he needed to, you know. And then other ones I played poorly on them, which I just think maybe I should have really decided much more what I really wanted to do, you know. But Rafa keeps you thinking, and that's what the best players do to each other in the end. Rafa also missed many opportunities later on. You always makes it hard for the opponent, and that's what we both do to each other.

Q. We know how much you respect him. Especially after that tiebreaker, were there any points in there where you're thinking, This kid has to fold up now? He has to be a little bit mentally crazy? A couple times you were down, served your way out of some real holes. Did you think at any point that he's got to crack at some stage?

ROGER FEDERER: Not really. I was just hoping, you know, or I was seeing that he was getting very nervous, you know, in that, what was it, fourth set tiebreaker where, I mean, I think he should have never lost the breaker in the end, you know. But he was really nervous. He didn't make the returns he usually does. He couldn't play aggressive. I played some okay shots, and it was enough to come back. So, I mean, I really thought, you know, that he was feeling it really a lot, you know, maybe the first time in his life. So I was hoping, like I said, with the momentum going into the fifth set, that it was going to be enough just from my end that I would play a little bit better. But I couldn't really, you know, play maybe my best when I really had to. And towards the end, like we know, with the light, it was tough. But it's not an excuse. Like I said, Rafa served well and played well and deserved to win in the end.

Q. You have such a deep love of the game and respect for it. The match today had so many elements, such a high level. Leading commentators are already talking about it being the best match in the history of this game. Could you reflect on that. Can you sense people would put it in that strong context already?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, look, it's not up to us to judge if it was the best ever. I think it's up to fans and the media to debate. I'm happy we put in a great effort, Rafa and myself. You know, it was a fair battle, which was tough with the rain delays. You know, some great points. Really I just think we both played tough till the very end, you know. In tennis, unfortunately sometimes there has to be winners and losers. You know, there's no draws. But I really had to push hard to come back. And I wasn't able to break him, I guess, in the last three sets, but still I pushed him right to the edge, you know. I guess, you know, with the fading light even the victory became even more special, similar to, you know, when Pete won his, what was it, 14 again Rafter, you know, also in the fading light. That looked incredible. I wish obviously it was me with the trophy, but that's the way it is now.

Q. Was this the toughest match of your career?

ROGER FEDERER: Probably my hardest loss, by far. I mean, it's not much harder than this right now, so...

10is-
07-07-2008, 10:30 AM
I am devestated, I would have been ok with anyone apart from Nadal taking out Federer, why oh why could he not have had a worthier opponent, someone with a beautiful, pure, classic game instead of one involving brute ugly force despite its efficacy, call me a tennis purist/snob if you will but I do not think Nadal is a worthy champion, the fact that he bit that hallowed beautiful trophy when all it had been privy to in the past were tender kisses from worthy, classy champions was akin to performing S&M over tender sweer lovemaking -- make of that analogy what you will, I am too frazzled to think straight right now.

If what Nadal epitomizes is the wave of the future I would rather that tennis die, as it is the game as it is meant to be played is already being subjected to a slow agonizing death with the dumbing/slowing down of the courts and overlooking time wasting gamesmanship tactics of certain players by tennis officials who could care less about preserving the traditions of the sport.

lsy
07-07-2008, 10:32 AM
Rogi :hug: :hug: :hug:

Painful painful loss...I took comfort out of him fighting back from 2 sets down but as he bluntly puts it..."zero consolation" :sad:

Looking at the bright side, it's probably good to pass the torch (or burden rather) now to the younsters...he'd been playing with this crazy expectations for long enough. Will be nice if he can go under "shadow" a little and let the young guns have a taste of that though I somehow doubt any of them will ever have to live through that kind of expectations Rogi has to carry :o

Hope he gets over this and come back strong...so many of us will be waiting :hug:

glycina
07-07-2008, 10:42 AM
I'm really proud of Roger. That's all I want to say to Roger.
I don't know if he has completely come back from his illness
or if he is now even free from his illness. But it's true that
he could'nt practise as he wanted. And he continued playing.

Ancic went to law school while he had to stop playing. Ancic says
that he was consoled with his another possibility of his career.
But for Roger who could'nt think of anoher thing,but tennis, to continue
playing was the only way he could take.
I feel so sad for his loss.
But I want him to know that his fans are so proud of him.
Have a good rest and play again for us!:):):):):):):)
Roger, I love you!

BlueSwan
07-07-2008, 11:08 AM
I am devestated, I would have been ok with anyone apart from Nadal taking out Federer, why oh why could he not have had a worthier opponent, someone with a beautiful, pure, classic game instead of one involving brute ugly force despite its efficacy, call me a tennis purist/snob if you will but I do not think Nadal is a worthy champion, the fact that he bit that hallowed beautiful trophy when all it had been privy to in the past were tender kisses from worthy, classy champions was akin to performing S&M over tender sweer lovemaking -- make of that analogy what you will, I am too frazzled to think straight right now.
I don't think that is fair at all. Nadal not a worthy champion?? He played an amazing tournament. His display against Murray was awe-inspiring. During this tournament Nadal hit far more show-stopping shots than Federer did (that's one thing that Federer has done much less of this year). Nadal does possess "brute force", but he also possesses amazing precision, which I don't think any "brute force" player in the past have come even close to.

Nadal was the right winner of Wimbledon 2008. The fact that I am PERSONALLY devasted that Federer didn't win, shouldn't cloud that fact.

Puschkin
07-07-2008, 11:11 AM
I do not think Nadal is a worthy champion...
:rolleyes: This is unfair and childish.

nobama
07-07-2008, 11:26 AM
What really sucks is know that there is NO ONE who can touch Nadal at Wimeldon except for Roger and now that Nadal has beaten him there will that be another mental road block for Roger? And will Wimbledon become less enjoyable for him now? I know already it is for me. :sad:

BlueSwan
07-07-2008, 11:44 AM
What really sucks is know that there is NO ONE who can touch Nadal at Wimeldon except for Roger and now that Nadal has beaten him there will that be another mental road block for Roger? And will Wimbledon become less enjoyable for him now? I know already it is for me. :sad:

I wouldn't go that far. Next year is another year. On clay, Nadal is invincible. Outside of clay it depends on current form. I don't think it's inconceivable that he'll suck on grass next year (after all the grass "season" is so short). I do consider it inconceivable that he'll suck on clay.

If we were to rewind time by 14 days, I'd still say that the title would be a toss-up between Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.