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The end of the magic spell

fsoica
06-08-2008, 03:34 PM
It's obvious that most of us were under Federer's game spell for so many years...

It was for Nadal to wake us all up and to show us that heroes, perfection, unbeatable for good records, GOATs are just silly words...

We entered a new era.
Roger will try to keep up, that's for sure...

Me, personally, I am hapier that from now on I will not watch Roger's matches as it is my life at stake...almost losing myself in the process...i will be again, after some years, just a mere spectator, lover of the game, not of some potential GOAT.

This doesn't mean that I will not cherish forever the moments Roger offered us during his reign.

But let's watch tennis for the game in itself, and not for some GOATs or other illusions...

Au revoir, Roger !

Welcome back, TENNIS !

Ivanatis
06-08-2008, 03:38 PM
amen

Black Adam
06-08-2008, 03:42 PM
Amen to that!

Allez
06-08-2008, 03:52 PM
Amen! The spell has been broken. For me it was broken @ Wimbledon 2007. Still I soldiered on until I realised at the beginning of 2008 that the old Federer had been left behind in 2007 and that no time machine could yank him forward to the future. Now every win by him will be a pleasant surprise, as I do not expect him dazzle us with angelic tennis anymore.

adee-gee
06-08-2008, 03:53 PM
:tears:

marcRD
06-08-2008, 03:54 PM
Well, we see if its only Federers quest for perfection, that is beeing great on even your worst surface which has forever been destroyed or if Federers whole aura of nr1 has been destroyed and is unlikely to win many more slams. Wimbledon will be the most important tournament in Federers career and will be decisive for his whole future in tennis, if he doesnt win Wimbledon he probably wont win 3 more slams and wont be the GOAT.

moon language
06-08-2008, 03:56 PM
I never understood all the GOAT stuff anyway. Just seems like material for the commentators to wank each other off about. Can't we just talk about the obvious all time greats like Federer and not worry about trying to come up with ways to rank them? They're never going to play each other anyway.

Allez
06-08-2008, 04:04 PM
Everyone spoke way too soon re the GOAT thing. Now it's gonna come back to bite Fed in the ass. He should have nipped it in the bud a long time ago. Now it just adds more pressure on him to win and live up to the hype.

Langers
06-08-2008, 04:05 PM
Yawn.

marcRD
06-08-2008, 04:07 PM
I thought smoking some weed would make the match greater but it only made the match worse and more like a surreal nightmare. I knew Federer would lose and thought that I would be more relaxed with some good good drugs, but no it just made the match enter my subconscious or the imaginative part of my brain and now I am quite sure it will be in my dreams for a while too.

scoobs
06-08-2008, 04:07 PM
Just throwing this out there as a "what if"

Suppose Roger wins Wimbledon and the US Open?

Will people still be saying "ahh all this GOAT is nonsense" or will be "oh it's just like 2005. He's not been as good but he's still winning the majors"

marcRD
06-08-2008, 04:09 PM
Just throwing this out there as a "what if"

Suppose Roger wins Wimbledon and the US Open?

Will people still be saying "ahh all this GOAT is nonsense" or will be "oh it's just like 2005. He's not been as good but he's still winning the majors"

No, then he will be the GOAT. No doubt about it.

Allez
06-08-2008, 04:10 PM
I thought smoking some weed would make the match greater but it only made the match worse and more like a surreal nightmare. I knew Federer would lose and thought that I would be more relaxed with some good good drugs, but no it just made the match enter my subconscious or the imaginative part of my brain and now I am quite sure it will be in my dreams for a while too.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Allez
06-08-2008, 04:12 PM
No GOATNESS unless he beats Nadal @ RG AND beat Sampras' 14 slam record. Nothing less will do.

DDrago2
06-08-2008, 04:14 PM
It's obvious that most of us were under Federer's game spell for so many years...

It was for Nadal to wake us all up and to show us that heroes, perfection, unbeatable for good records, GOATs are just silly words...

We entered a new era.
Roger will try to keep up, that's for sure...

Me, personally, I am hapier that from now on I will not watch Roger's matches as it is my life at stake...almost losing myself in the process...i will be again, after some years, just a mere spectator, lover of the game, not of some potential GOAT.

This doesn't mean that I will not cherish forever the moments Roger offered us during his reign.

But let's watch tennis for the game in itself, and not for some GOATs or other illusions...

Au revoir, Roger !

Welcome back, TENNIS !

What illusions, there were no illusions. Federer is an elegant player with great flashes of brilliance and even ingenuity, and that is why we loved him. But consistency was never his strong point. Many people don't remember how prior 2003 he was loosing matches because of loads of UE's. He later somehow (and to surprise of many) managed to put that under control, but still, if he can't finish point quickly he starts to spray balls around. This becomes expecialy obvious on clay.

What I do agree is that we already seen all of his game and I don't think he can say much more new anymore... it will mostly be about wether he can stop the "young guns" AND ofcourse, the green green grass, on which he always looks so wonderfull...

And also I think that during past few years, when his game reached full matirty, and him still playing close to his peak, it is more the time to admire who he is and was than saying good bye

marcRD
06-08-2008, 04:14 PM
No GOATNESS unless he beats Nadal @ RG AND beat Sampras' 14 slam record. Nothing less will do.

GOATNESS is overrated, he will always have more hair than Sampras.

Black Adam
06-08-2008, 04:15 PM
:lol: Change it from MAGIC SPELL to CURSE. Because the word magic makes it seem as if some good came out of those horrendous 4 years.

LleytonMonfils
06-08-2008, 04:18 PM
No GOATNESS unless he beats Nadal @ RG AND beat Sampras' 14 slam record. Nothing less will do.

Sampras never won at RG, no? And he's still the man until he loses at Wimbledon. I'm watching the Nadal/Fed match from 2007 now. Federer is still king.

Allez
06-08-2008, 04:19 PM
GOATNESS is overrated, he will always have more hair than Sampras.

I agree in that he's a better player than Sampras was, but greatness has a lot more to do with accomplishments than talent.

scoobs
06-08-2008, 04:22 PM
The whole GOATness debate is pointless until after a player's career is over and it can be judged a bit more objectively against those in history whose record is already complete.

Whether or not Roger will or will not be considered the GOAT, we won't know it here and now.

MrChopin
06-08-2008, 04:24 PM
Just throwing this out there as a "what if"

Suppose Roger wins Wimbledon and the US Open?

Will people still be saying "ahh all this GOAT is nonsense" or will be "oh it's just like 2005. He's not been as good but he's still winning the majors"

The answer to that, at least in this thread, is: Djokovic is winning USO. Guaranteed. And Wimbledon.

scoobs
06-08-2008, 04:25 PM
The answer to that, at least in this thread, is: Djokovic is winning USO. Guaranteed. And Wimbledon.
Oh well that'll save me watching it then :)

Fedex
06-08-2008, 04:26 PM
No GOATNESS unless he beats Nadal @ RG AND beat Sampras' 14 slam record. Nothing less will do.

Who's the GOAT, in you opinion? Surely, it can't be Sampras?

Fedex
06-08-2008, 04:29 PM
The answer to that, at least in this thread, is: Djokovic is winning USO. Guaranteed. And Wimbledon.

Hahahaha

Merton
06-08-2008, 04:30 PM
Knee jerk reactions at their finest.

Allez
06-08-2008, 04:35 PM
Who's the GOAT, in you opinion? Surely, it can't be Sampras?

Uhm...you've got me there. Before, I used to be so sure it would be Rogi that I haven't given alternatives a lot of thought. Definitely not Sampras though.

marcRD
06-08-2008, 04:38 PM
GOAT is......Laver.

But he surely was lucky not to have Rafa or any good spanish claycourters in his era. He just had to play his fellow australians in RG finals. What he accomplished still is all that counts.

BigJohn
06-08-2008, 04:39 PM
The answer to that, at least in this thread, is: Djokovic is winning USO. Guaranteed. And Wimbledon.

You forgot the Olympic gold medal, also already in the bag, no doubt. Along with his surprise gold in Synchronized Swimming that no one saw coming.

He will also win Dancing with the Stars, the Hot Dog eating contest, the World Strongest Man Challenge, the World Series of Poker, he'll be MVP of the World series, and he'll finish the year strong winning the Pillsbury Bake-Off Contest.

Manon
06-08-2008, 04:49 PM
Amen to that!

..

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 05:07 PM
Why the knee-jerk reaction? Federer not winning the French Open is expected. Save this talk for if / when he gets hammered at Wimbledon or the U.S. Open.

groundstroke
06-08-2008, 05:09 PM
It's good to see Federer not dominating and someone else dominating; but it'll be even better to see Federer dominating again this year.

azinna
06-08-2008, 05:38 PM
Worse, for a good 2-3 years the majority of top professional players were under the spell as well. It didn't make for good sport at all. Lots of bending over (as in worship) going on during matches. Good to see now that players have realized the court isn't some neighborhood church. Everyone's having a go, and it's paying off well for all parties concerned.

Wimbledon will be quite interesting, whether he wins it or not; good story either way.