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Djokovic gave Nadal the sturnest test at this RG

Marc23
06-08-2008, 03:04 PM
Novak Djokovic gave Nadal the sturnest test at this years RG...he even had a set-point and won most games against him,unlike Federer and many other players who couldn't even come close!

MIMIC
06-08-2008, 03:05 PM
And people thought that the only person that could beat Nadal was Federer.

Even though Nadal was pretty much untouchable this entire championship, Djokovic, IMO, was Nadal's greatest threat...and the stats prove it. He won more games against Nadal than anyone else (12 games vs. Federer's pathetic 4) and had a set point.

Djokovic is Nadal's greatest threat....not Federer. And he better thank God that he didn't face Djokovic in the semis.

Voo de Mar
06-08-2008, 03:07 PM
And he better thank God that he didn't face Djokovic in the semis.

:):o

Albop
06-08-2008, 03:08 PM
Rafa>>>>Belucci>>>>>Djokovic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>federer

Clay Death
06-08-2008, 03:08 PM
And people thought that the only person that could beat Nadal was Federer.

Even though Nadal was pretty much untouchable this entire championship, Djokovic, IMO, was Nadal's greatest threat...and the stats prove it. He won more games against Nadal than anyone else (12 games vs. Federer's pathetic 4) and had a set point.

Djokovic is Nadal's greatest threat....not Federer. And he better thank God that he didn't face Djokovic in the semis.


i have been saying that for 100,000 years now. Djokovic has surpassed Fed on all surfaces.

Fed is bloody lucky he didnt have to face Djokovic in the semis.

SerenaFederer
06-08-2008, 03:09 PM
:yawn:

Halba
06-08-2008, 03:10 PM
monfils could've given a good fight too. monfils is promising.

miura
06-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Federer had an off-day, so what? MC semi-final Federer scared Djokovic so bad he had to fake a retirement. No way Djokovic is better than Federer on clay. Roger can challenge Rafa when he's at the top of his game which he under no circumstance was today.

rocketassist
06-08-2008, 03:12 PM
In that case Mathieu is better than both as he pushed Nadal closer at RG than anyone.

CassL
06-08-2008, 03:13 PM
Federer had an off-day, so what? MC semi-final Federer scared Djokovic so bad he had to fake a retirement. No way Djokovic is better than Federer on clay. Roger can challenge Rafa when he's at the top of his game which he under no circumstance was today.

Excuses, excuses. Fed got 4 games. Even if he wasn't at the top of the game, he should get more games than that.

Branimir
06-08-2008, 03:14 PM
Djokovic pushed Nadal a little harder. You know "a little" Wasn't even a push! If Nadal was really focused to embarrass Djokovic, he could do it. I believe there is some kind of friendship between Djokovic and Nadal. I know fans would like them to hate each other, and that there is love between "Federer and Nadal", but some games in match Djokovic - Nadal, Nadal just wasn't there, and kept making errors which he usually doesn't. Today Nadal was on every single point. He wanted to demolish Federer so bad, while I believe he really didn't want to embarrass Djokovic, and if he wanted, he could do it!

Tom Paulman
06-08-2008, 03:14 PM
And Bellucci was 2nd toughest.

Smasher
06-08-2008, 03:14 PM
Nobody can test Nadal on clay at the moment. He is just too good on that surface

ReturnWinner
06-08-2008, 03:14 PM
In that case Mathieu is better than both as he pushed Nadal closer at RG than anyone.

Puerta had three set points on his serve to force a fifht therefore Puerta is the guy who pushed nadal the most :lol:

MIMIC
06-08-2008, 03:15 PM
Federer had an off-day, so what? MC semi-final Federer scared Djokovic so bad he had to fake a retirement. No way Djokovic is better than Federer on clay. Roger can challenge Rafa when he's at the top of his game which he under no circumstance was today.

Um, this was not an off-day for Federer; this was a supreme day for Nadal. Nadal deserves all the credit here.

ClaudiuS
06-08-2008, 03:15 PM
Djokovic has surpassed Fed on all surfaces.


on Grass too? :scratch:

I don't think so.

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 03:16 PM
Djokovic pushed Nadal a little harder. You know "a little" Wasn't even a push! If Nadal was really focused to embarrass Djokovic, he could do it. I believe there is some kind of friendship between Djokovic and Nadal. I know fans would like them to hate each other, and that there is love between "Federer and Nadal", but some games in match Djokovic - Nadal, Nadal just wasn't there, and kept making errors which he usually doesn't. Today Nadal was on every single point. He wanted to demolish Federer so bad, while I believe he really didn't want to embarrass Djokovic, and if he wanted, he could do it!

So you're saying Nadal had more mercy on Djokovic than on Federer? I don't understand why, I thought he had issues with Djokovic's imitations and threat to No. 2 and that he was very chummy with Roger.

scarecrows
06-08-2008, 03:16 PM
Bellucci did
if Rafa kept his momentum against Djokovic like he did the other matches the 3d set would have been 6-2

Branimir
06-08-2008, 03:19 PM
So you're saying Nadal had more mercy on Djokovic than on Federer? I don't understand why, I thought he had issues with Djokovic's imitations and threat to No. 2 and that he was very chummy with Roger.

I don't really know. Like in second set when it was 5-1 and Djokovic served to stay in the match, Nadal refused to even try to win a point. It might be because he wanted Djokovic to start off with the serve in the third. I really don't know.

Kolya
06-08-2008, 03:20 PM
Ferrero beat Rafa on clay.

There by your logic, Ferrero is the 2nd best :p

Marc23
06-08-2008, 03:23 PM
We'll see about the grass,but on clay Djokovic won most games+set point...What might have been we don't know for sure,but those are facts about this RG!

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 03:24 PM
I don't really know. Like in second set when it was 5-1 and Djokovic served to stay in the match, Nadal refused to even try to win a point. It might be because he wanted Djokovic to start off with the serve in the third. I really don't know.

Possible. If that's true, it would only show how much further ahead Nadal is with respect to Djokovic, Federer, and the rest.

Djokovic better spend some serious time this year working out strategy with his coach on how to solve this puzzle, if indeed it is solvable. He shouldn't get into the same mental vicious cycle that Roger has been in. I don't think any one technical strategy (e.g. play to the backhand, dropshot him, etc.) is going to work - it will require a comprehensive approach executed to perfection, and for that Djokovic must perfect the serve, dropshot, and volleys. He has the potential to do that, but even next year Rafa is far and away the favorite.

Marc23
06-08-2008, 03:24 PM
I was talking about THIS YEARS RG,not about previous ones or clay seasson!

Black Adam
06-08-2008, 03:34 PM
I think that even MOnfils could have won more games today. Djokovic did well to bag a few more games in the 3rd set but that was only because Nadal was reducing the tempo. I am a fan of Djokovic but I don't think he had anything to do with the 3rd set being close, Nadal just lost a bit of concentration.

krystlel
06-08-2008, 03:36 PM
Nah, Bellucci was closer because he did it in the first set.

Bilbo
06-08-2008, 03:36 PM
as expected

kalisita
06-08-2008, 03:37 PM
I think that even MOnfils could have won more games today. Djokovic did well to bag a few more games in the 3rd set but that was only because Nadal was reducing the tempo. I am a fan of Djokovic but I don't think he had anything to do with the 3rd set being close, Nadal just lost a bit of concentration.

Yeah, but Djokovic had to take advantage of that. There are plenty of players who could not have done that. I give him credit for trying and getting himself back into the match even a little bit. He had more belief in that third set then Federer seemed to all day.

piksi
06-08-2008, 03:48 PM
the thread is useles since there really isn't a threat to Nadal on clay. We can talk about who can win more games but that is it and it will continue to be so on clay for a long, long time

Marc23
06-08-2008, 03:53 PM
I didn't say Djokovic was the biggest threat but off all players gave Nadal the sturnest test...won most games,held a set-point and played a tie-break!

adee-gee
06-08-2008, 03:56 PM
Nadal has never even been taken to 5 at RG, right?

Marc23
06-08-2008, 03:58 PM
I think Paul H-M has taken him once to 5 sets,but not sure...someone should know!

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 04:00 PM
This thread is not terribly enlightening. It's like saying Roger is at 10% of where Nadal is and Djokovic is at 15%. They're both still very far away. Djokovic has more hope because of his youth and his quick assimilation of lessons from his losses, but it will definitely be a major stumblingblock in his career - figuring out Nadal on clay.

adee-gee
06-08-2008, 04:01 PM
I think Paul H-M has taken him once to 5 sets,but not sure...someone should know!
Nah PHM only ever took him to 4 I'm pretty sure.

sanshisan
06-08-2008, 04:04 PM
Face it - Federer was CRUSHED - `2nd lowest score in RG Final in the HISTORY of the tournament.` (NBC)

It's a dirty trick they put Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw, thus ensuring Federer will get into the Finals. Judging from the way Federer played against Nadal today, getting BAGLED in the 3rd, only winning 4 games, Djokovic would have beaten Federer.

The REAL Final was between Nadal and Djokovic.

kalisita
06-08-2008, 04:04 PM
I think Paul H-M has taken him once to 5 sets,but not sure...someone should know!

Nadal has never been taken to 5 sets at RG. The only two 5 setters on clay I remember are the match against Coria and the match against Roger which both occurred in Rome, I beleive.

HarryMan
06-08-2008, 04:05 PM
The scary thought is that Rafa is getting better each year on the clay courts and it will be a nightmare for each and every player to even think about challenging this man on the dirts...

JediFed
06-08-2008, 04:05 PM
Nah, Bellucci was closer because he did it in the first set.


Yep.

6-4 6-2 3-0 is not a challenge at all to Rafa. I don't see it all that different from what happened here today.

leng jai
06-08-2008, 04:06 PM
Face it - Federer was CRUSHED - `2nd lowest score in RG Final in the HISTORY of the tournament.` (NBC)

It's a dirty trick they put Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw, thus ensuring Federer will get into the Finals. Judging from the way Federer played against Nadal today, getting BAGLED in the 3rd, only winning 4 games, Djokovic would have beaten Federer.

The REAL Final was between Nadal and Djokovic.

This has to be up there in MTF history as one of the greatest 1st posts of all time.

CassL
06-08-2008, 04:13 PM
Yep.

6-4 6-2 3-0 is not a challenge at all to Rafa. I don't see it all that different from what happened here today.

It's more than what Fed won.

leng jai
06-08-2008, 04:15 PM
Nadal's sturnest test was keeping himself awake on court.

marcRD
06-08-2008, 04:17 PM
Djokovic fans should know there was no real final. No one could take a set from Nadal so there should only be a final between Federer and Djokovic for who is the real runner up. That would be the only possible final this tournament could have.

JediFed
06-08-2008, 04:18 PM
It's a dirty trick they put Djokovic in Nadal's half of the draw, thus ensuring Federer will get into the Finals. Judging from the way Federer played against Nadal today, getting BAGLED in the 3rd, only winning 4 games, Djokovic would have beaten Federer.

The REAL Final was between Nadal and Djokovic.


Federer is number one. Why shouldn't he get Davydenko? 1-4 2-3 is fairer then 1-3 2-4.

JediFed
06-08-2008, 04:22 PM
As for Djokovic, how soon we forget.

ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay S Federer 6-3 3-2 RET

If Nadal is the clay god, and bagelled Fed, how bad is it that Djokovic retired against Fed?

I was absolutely shocked he didn't retire in the third set, like he's done many times before.

Herdwick
06-08-2008, 04:22 PM
Pointless speculation I agree but I would think Nole was feeling considerably better today than he did Friday. And licking his lips...

JediFed
06-08-2008, 04:24 PM
It's more than what Fed won.


Djokovic's never won a set off him on clay. I don't see why he could be considered the greater challenge.

The only reason for that is that Nadal was in much better form today then he was against Djokovic. Should have been 6-4 6-2 6-0 if he was consistant.

asher_langley
06-08-2008, 04:25 PM
...And imagine the thoughts running on his (Nole's) parents' heads after this final

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 04:27 PM
As for Djokovic, how soon we forget.

ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay S Federer 6-3 3-2 RET

If Nadal is the clay god, and bagelled Fed, how bad is it that Djokovic retired against Fed?

I was absolutely shocked he didn't retire in the third set, like he's done many times before.

You're pathetic. I don't agree with that retirement, but he may have been sick, so I will withhold further judgment on that point. He won Rome, he pushed Nadal hard in the SF of Hamburg (somehow Roger always gets clowns in his SFs and Djokovic always gets Nadal), and he pushed him harder in this FO than Roger or anyone else did, although I admit that it was far from being competitive.

What has Roger accomplished on clay this season? Estoril title. Cake walk draws in Rome, Hamburg, and RG. Choked in Monte Carlo. Trashed by Stepanek in Rome. Trashed by a tired Nadal in Hamburg. And BRUTALIZED at the FO this year.

Djokovic has had a better clay season this year than Roger. And on hardcourts, Djokovic is way above Fed and Nadal at the moment.

Herdwick
06-08-2008, 04:28 PM
...And imagine the thoughts running on his (Nole's) parents' heads after this final

Please let them keep them to themselves then. Am sure they mean well but they've done Nole enough damage already.

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 04:29 PM
Djokovic's never won a set off him on clay. I don't see why he could be considered the greater challenge.

The only reason for that is that Nadal was in much better form today then he was against Djokovic. Should have been 6-4 6-2 6-0 if he was consistant.

Djokovic got a set off Nadal in Hamburg and the first set was pretty competitive too. He pushed Nadal to a tiebreaker in FO and had set point. His record at the FO this year was better than Roger's.

6-4 6-2 7-6 is better than 6-1 6-3 6-0. Anyway, this is all pointless since Nadal is far and away superior to both these guys.

Clay Death
06-08-2008, 04:29 PM
You're pathetic. I don't agree with that retirement, but he may have been sick, so I will withhold further judgment on that point. He won Rome, he pushed Nadal hard in the SF of Hamburg (somehow Roger always gets clowns in his SFs and Djokovic always gets Nadal), and he pushed him harder in this FO than Roger or anyone else did, although I admit that it was far from being competitive.

What has Roger accomplished on clay this season? Estoril title. Cake walk draws in Rome, Hamburg, and RG. Choked in Monte Carlo. Trashed by Stepanek in Rome. Trashed by a tired Nadal in Hamburg. And BRUTALIZED at the FO this year.

Djokovic has had a better clay season this year than Roger. And on hardcourts, Djokovic is way above Fed and Nadal at the moment.

excellent post. Fed looks nearly done. i cant see how this doesnt affect him at Wimby as well. he was humiliated today.

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 04:32 PM
excellent post. Fed looks nearly done. i cant see how this doesnt affect him at Wimby as well. he was humiliated today.

I'm starting to think Fed may not even make the SF. He may get taken out early. He better pray he doesn't end up on Court 2, graveyard of the champions.

Herdwick
06-08-2008, 04:32 PM
Also can't agree that Rafa played better today than against Nole. Rafa on Friday was sheer perfection for 2 sets.

Aloimeh
06-08-2008, 04:35 PM
Also can't agree that Rafa played better today than against Nole. Rafa on Friday was sheer perfection for 2 sets.

To be honest, I think Rafa feels a little sorry for Roger. We saw the same thing in Hamburg - played one of his best matches against Djokovic and then was on a lower gear against Roger. He still apologizes for beating Roger. I have no idea why: it's not like Roger's God - he's just another tennis player.

sanshisan
06-08-2008, 04:39 PM
Djokovic fans should know there was no real final. No one could take a set from Nadal so there should only be a final between Federer and Djokovic for who is the real runner up. That would be the only possible final this tournament could have.


That's another way of looking at it - IOW - Djokovic and Federer should have been in the same draw in both Hamburg and Roland Garros, especially since Djokovic was the leading player in 2008.

I think it's funny - to see how badly Roger lost when the Fedtards were claiming he was the only real threat to Nadal.

Nadal - Bellucci - 7-5 6-3 6-1 = 9 games Bellucci
Nadal - Devilder - 6-4 6-0 6-1 = 5 games
Nadal - Niemenen - 6-1 6-3 6-1 = 5 games
Nadal - Verdasco - 6-1 6-0 6-1 = 3 games
Nadal - Almagro - 6-1 6-1 6-1 = 3 games
Nadal - Djokovic - 6-4 6-2 7-6 = 12 games
Nadal - Federer - 6-1 6-3 6-0 = 4 games

Djokovic won convincingly more games than any other player against Nadal AND took Nadal to a tiebreak in the 3rd set, which no one else was able to do, let alone Federer whose wheels came off and who just COLLAPSED in the 3rd. Federer might as well have retired, he just went away and he never came back.

JediFed
06-08-2008, 04:44 PM
You're pathetic. I don't agree with that retirement, but he may have been sick, so I will withhold further judgment on that point.


His throat was sore from all that red dust. Or don't you believe his presser?


He won Rome,


Against Wawa. Never had to play Fed or Nadal. First time that's happened on clay since 2004.


he pushed Nadal hard in the SF of Hamburg (somehow Roger always gets clowns in his SFs and Djokovic always gets Nadal),


Which is why Fed got Djerk in MC?


What has Roger accomplished on clay this season? Estoril title. Cake walk draws in Rome, Hamburg, and RG. Choked in Monte Carlo. Trashed by Stepanek in Rome. Trashed by a tired Nadal in Hamburg. And BRUTALIZED at the FO this year.


win in Estoril, F in MC, Hamburg and RG, QF in Rome. His best clay season ever. One bad loss to Stepanek where he won more points.


Djokovic has had a better clay season this year than Roger. And on hardcourts, Djokovic is way above Fed and Nadal at the moment.


According to who? The points don't lie. Djokovic had a good clay season, but his season was not as good as Federer and Nadal.

At the moment? Federer is in better form. We will see this again in Wimbly. I would be very surprised if he beats Roddick in Queens.

JediFed
06-08-2008, 04:48 PM
Djokovic won convincingly more games than any other player against Nadal AND took Nadal to a tiebreak in the 3rd set, which no one else was able to do, let alone Federer whose wheels came off and who just COLLAPSED in the 3rd. Federer might as well have retired, he just went away and he never came back.


12 games is more a testimony to Rafa Nadal. He's the first man since Borg to win RG without dropping a set.

I would agree with you if Djokovic had done this at a point in the match where he could have made a difference. Instead, he waited until being down a two sets and two breaks. It speaks more that Rafa's level dropped off in the third.

Unless of course, you believe Belucci is a better claycourter then Fed because he won more games...


Nadal - Federer - 6-1 6-3 6-0 = 3 games


You also might want to check your math.

Manon
06-08-2008, 05:02 PM
At the moment? Federer is in better form. We will see this again in Wimbly. I would be very surprised if he beats Roddick in Queens.

I disagree wit you. But I wouldn't say Novak is in better form. Both are in certain, seems to me, similar form. Here comes grass, we'll see. Btw, beating Roddick on grass is always an achievement.

camnation
06-08-2008, 05:05 PM
No one noticed this? It's spelt sternest. :angel:
Anyway, as you were.

Herdwick
06-08-2008, 05:06 PM
No one noticed this? It's spelt sternest. :angel:
Anyway, as you were.

We were all too polite to mention it:D

Merton
06-08-2008, 05:12 PM
This is totally pointless, mobody came really close. I think that Bellucci gave the most competitive match despite Djokovic winning more games, but it is all semantics. Oh, and how Nadal performed against Djokovic and Federer tells us nothing about how Djokovic would do against Federer here. Djokovic came out with the wrong tactics in Monte Carlo imo, there is no doubt he would not repeat the same mistake here but it is all just hypothetical.

shotgun
06-08-2008, 08:08 PM
Djokovic got more games, but even if he had grabbed that third set, the outcome of the match was never in doubt.

Bellucci, on the other hand, the way he was playing in that first set, made it seem like Rafa was in danger, even if only for a brief moment.

Both deserve credit for at least making this tournament a bit less boring.

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 08:13 PM
Pointless analysis, Nadal strolled to the title that's all we need to know.

star
06-08-2008, 08:14 PM
Djokovic pushed Nadal a little harder. You know "a little" Wasn't even a push! If Nadal was really focused to embarrass Djokovic, he could do it. I believe there is some kind of friendship between Djokovic and Nadal. I know fans would like them to hate each other, and that there is love between "Federer and Nadal", but some games in match Djokovic - Nadal, Nadal just wasn't there, and kept making errors which he usually doesn't. Today Nadal was on every single point. He wanted to demolish Federer so bad, while I believe he really didn't want to embarrass Djokovic, and if he wanted, he could do it!

Approximately 3 times as hard if you go by games won. :)

Most of the things fans tend to think about their favorites are just projection and fantasy.

To me, Nadal wants to win every point he can. He doesn't care if his grandmother is on the other side of the net. It's just the way he was taught. Every point is a war with him. I don't think he was being gentle with Djokovic. I just think he lost focus and his level dropped very slightly in the third set. His level dropped a little bit in the second set against Federer.

I think one might make the argument that he was more focused and ferocious against Federer because he respects Federer more as a dangerous opponent who must be given no quarter.

cardio
06-08-2008, 08:45 PM
And Roscoe Tanner gave to Borg harder test in 1978 than Vilas in final, so what? He still lost in straight sets and so did Joker. Winning is everything, how bad you lose, doesnt mean shit , you are still a loser. Of course, for crowd and TV audience it is better , more interesting if match is closer, but I cant say that Djoko_- Nadal match was lot closer than final - same beatdown, very little excitement in third and total collapse in TB.

GlennMirnyi
06-08-2008, 08:54 PM
Bullshit. Even Bellucci, the worst volleyer in the top 70 now made a harder match.

Guga_fan
06-08-2008, 09:19 PM
Djokovic's never won a set off him on clay. I don't see why he could be considered the greater challenge.

The only reason for that is that Nadal was in much better form today then he was against Djokovic. Should have been 6-4 6-2 6-0 if he was consistant.
There's no way Rafa would easily defeat the Djokovic that played from 3-1 until the end of that match, he was throwing a lot of winners and Rafa didn't even get near breaking him. If Nole can play always like this against Nadal on clay, his chances are reasonable.

star
06-08-2008, 09:21 PM
There's no way Rafa would easily defeat the Djokovic that played from 3-1 until the end of that match, he was throwing a lot of winners and Rafa didn't even get near breaking him. If Nole can play always like this against Nadal on clay, his chances are reasonable.

But, also I think Nadal dropped his level just slightly after going up 3-1. That enabled Novak to play more of his game against Nadal. In the tiebreak, Nadal got his mojo back.

I say this as a fan of both men. :)

luie
06-08-2008, 09:32 PM
Good thread ,,Who LOST the best fed or novak,,,geez, OK novak wins he gets ummm uummm 450 points.

Marc23
06-08-2008, 10:05 PM
Lol at "who LOST BEST"...

Tnn74
06-08-2008, 10:28 PM
:ras: blah blah blah... does it matter?
the end result was inevitable... close but no cigar :angel:

l_mac
06-08-2008, 10:40 PM
There's no way Rafa would easily defeat the Djokovic that played from 3-1 until the end of that match, he was throwing a lot of winners and Rafa didn't even get near breaking him. If Nole can play always like this against Nadal on clay, his chances are reasonable.

:haha:

leng jai
06-09-2008, 12:37 AM
There's no way Rafa would easily defeat the Djokovic that played from 3-1 until the end of that match, he was throwing a lot of winners and Rafa didn't even get near breaking him. If Nole can play always like this against Nadal on clay, his chances are reasonable.

You are 110% right.

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 12:41 AM
You are 110% right.

Leng jai, I'm disappointed in you, I thought you were going to purge all clowns not give them false confidence? ;)

Marc23
06-09-2008, 01:54 AM
Well,Nadal was so impresive at this RG that the slightest comparation between the players who played against him(specially between Federer and Djokovic-concerned their rivalry etc.) is notable...

knightsky
06-09-2008, 02:22 AM
You're pathetic. I don't agree with that retirement, but he may have been sick, so I will withhold further judgment on that point. He won Rome, he pushed Nadal hard in the SF of Hamburg (somehow Roger always gets clowns in his SFs and Djokovic always gets Nadal), and he pushed him harder in this FO than Roger or anyone else did, although I admit that it was far from being competitive.
Yes, Roger always gets clowns in his SFs. Especially Australian Open and Monte Carlo 2008. When will you ever learn to be less biased?

Coming back to this thread topic, I agree that Djokovic gave Nadal the sternest test at this Roland Garros. But it doesn't imply that Djokovic is better than Federer on clay. There's also the match-up issue to consider.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:36 AM
Yes, Roger always gets clowns in his SFs. Especially Australian Open and Monte Carlo 2008. When will you ever learn to be less biased?

Coming back to this thread topic, I agree that Djokovic gave Nadal the sternest test at this Roland Garros. But it doesn't imply that Djokovic is better than Federer on clay. There's also the match-up issue to consider.

Djokovic was in Nadal's half in Dubai, IW, Miami, Hamburg, and FO.

He was in Roger's half in AO, MC, and Rome. In AO he beat him. In Rome, he didn't get to beat him because Stepanek did it first (:haha:) and in MC he lost to him.

Interesting also that Djokovic has been in Nadal's half of the draw 3 times in a row at the FO.

azza
06-09-2008, 02:36 AM
Nuh Belluci did

star
06-09-2008, 02:40 AM
Djokovic was in Nadal's half in Dubai, IW, Miami, Hamburg, and FO.

He was in Roger's half in AO, MC, and Rome. In AO he beat him. In Rome, he didn't get to beat him because Stepanek did it first (:haha:) and in MC he lost to him.

Interesting also that Djokovic has been in Nadal's half of the draw 3 times in a row at the FO.

You are a scientist. That's the way it works with a 50/50 chance. You have groupings. He might be in the bottom half again at Wimbledon.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:42 AM
You are a scientist. That's the way it works with a 50/50 chance. You have groupings. He might be in the bottom half again at Wimbledon.

I'm aware of that. But perhaps a bit bitter that Djokovic didn't once fall in Roger's half in FO.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 02:43 AM
Is bullshitting a science now? :scratch:

leng jai
06-09-2008, 02:44 AM
You are a scientist. That's the way it works with a 50/50 chance. You have groupings. He might be in the bottom half again at Wimbledon.

I heard NASA are about to recruit Aloimeh for a special "mission" that involves blasting off into the space and conveniently never returning.

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:47 AM
Is bullshitting a science now? :scratch:

No. Science is my profession. Bullshitting and being a cantankerous ass is yours.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 02:50 AM
No. Science is my profession. Bullshitting and being a cantankerous ass is yours.

You're a scientist like Laika was a scientist then. :haha:

You're the biggest blind fangirl of MTF - don't try to play smartass here. :)

Aloimeh
06-09-2008, 02:54 AM
You're a scientist like Laika was a scientist then. :haha:

You're the biggest blind fangirl of MTF - don't try to play smartass here. :)

The sad thing is that a b!tch by the name of Laika has done more for the world than you will ever.

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 02:56 AM
That's your dream, Laika.

If spreading blind fangirlism around = doing something for the world then you're being even better than Laika. :haha:

star
06-09-2008, 02:58 AM
I'm aware of that. But perhaps a bit bitter that Djokovic didn't once fall in Roger's half in FO.

Yeah. Me too. But, that's the way it is. I'm double bitter because I like Nadal. :)

And seriously? You respond to this Glenn guy? But, if you enjoy it, don't let me stop you. :)

GlennMirnyi
06-09-2008, 03:03 AM
I don't even know why I'm answering to Laika and fellow scientist space traveller Baker too. :sad:

knightsky
06-09-2008, 03:32 AM
Djokovic was in Nadal's half in Dubai, IW, Miami, Hamburg, and FO.

He was in Roger's half in AO, MC, and Rome. In AO he beat him. In Rome, he didn't get to beat him because Stepanek did it first (:haha:) and in MC he lost to him.
Good that you at least did some homework before replying. But you missed the point. You said Roger always get clowns in his SFs, so now you are calling Djokovic a clown too?

Interesting also that Djokovic has been in Nadal's half of the draw 3 times in a row at the FO.
Yeah, Nadal has always been luckier to get the clown.

~*BGT*~
06-09-2008, 03:52 AM
Doesn't matter if he was the sternest test... he still lost in straight sets and that's what people are going to remember most. :shrug:

MIMIC
06-09-2008, 03:54 AM
Doesn't matter if he was the sternest test... he still lost in straight sets and that's what people are going to remember most. :shrug:

It matters when people believe that Federer was the only person who could push Nadal.

maskedmuffin
06-09-2008, 03:56 AM
It matters when people believe that Federer was the only person who could push Nadal.

No No No; you guys all missed the point of this thread
Aloimeh simply wanted to say

"Djokovic gave nadal the sturnest test at this years RG, and therefore deserves a cookie"

what aloimeh doesn't realize is that the cookie might give djokovic indigestion, which might cause him to pull out of stella artois:sad:

Action Jackson
06-09-2008, 05:39 AM
Bellucci.

crude oil
06-09-2008, 05:49 AM
lol. this is beyond pathetic. Who cares who is second place? i mean really. Its #1 that counts.

Turquoise
06-09-2008, 06:05 AM
In my opinion, Bellucci was Nadal's sternest test. He was an unknown quantity, he played smart aggressive tennis straight off the blocks, and inexperience eventually broke down his game. Djokovic, in contrast, won more games, but he was outplayed for two and a half sets before he adopted a nothing-to-lose approach - all credit to him, he saved face and gave the crowd something to cheer for.

Johnny Groove
06-09-2008, 06:08 AM
Pretty pathetic that the guy that gave him the "sturnest" test only won 12 games :rolleyes:

Marc23
06-09-2008, 10:02 AM
Yeah,true,but comparing to Federer who has won only 4 in the final which means 3 times less than Djokovic-it's an achivement!

bokehlicious
06-09-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeah,true,but comparing to Federer who has won only 4 in the final which means 3 times less than Djokovic-it's an achivement!

True, that's mathematics, irrefutable evidence that Djokovic is 3 times better than Federer :cool: :bounce:

leng jai
06-09-2008, 10:43 AM
Yeah,true,but comparing to Federer who has won only 4 in the final which means 3 times less than Djokovic-it's an achivement!

Fakervic's achievement was getting through the match without retiring.

sanshisan
06-09-2008, 11:05 AM
Fakervic's achievement was getting through the match without retiring.

Djokovic pushed Nadal to a tiebreak in the 3rd set - unlike Federer who went away and never came back...

:p

Bernard Black
06-09-2008, 11:18 AM
If Federer had converted his break points, if his net cords had just trickled over, if his shots that landed an inch out landed in, etc...

My point is tennis is about small margains, Federer and Djokovic both got the same beatdown regardless of the scoreline, any fool with eyes can see that.

Marc23
06-09-2008, 02:03 PM
True,if Djokovic used his set point etc.,if Federer....but they didn't,so everything is about small margains that make just one winner!Congrats Rafa!

Manon
06-09-2008, 02:13 PM
I said many times - if we had a crystal ball...

Stefanos13
06-09-2008, 06:36 PM
No No No; you guys all missed the point of this thread
Aloimeh simply wanted to say

"Djokovic gave nadal the sturnest test at this years RG, and therefore deserves a cookie"

what aloimeh doesn't realize is that the cookie might give djokovic indigestion, which might cause him to pull out of stella artois:sad:

I know exactly what you are saying and I agree. Even though Nadal was responsible for letting Djokovic back into the set – he should have finished it a lot earlier. But that's beyond the point

JediFed
06-09-2008, 06:59 PM
I disagree wit you. But I wouldn't say Novak is in better form. Both are in certain, seems to me, similar form. Here comes grass, we'll see. Btw, beating Roddick on grass is always an achievement.


I never said it wasn't one. I still will be surprised if Djokovic beats Roddick, since Roddick has played well this year.

sawan66278
06-09-2008, 07:17 PM
I would submit that Novak and Belluci gave Rafa equallly stern tests. But, given Rafa's dominance, when talking about "tests", one is simply talking about sets and NOT matches.

MaryX
06-09-2008, 07:55 PM
True, that's mathematics, irrefutable evidence that Djokovic is 3 times better than Federer
The very same evidence as yours- very hard to understand-sig :)
Anyway, I also think Novak's test wasn't worthy enough to be called test at all.

star
06-10-2008, 12:22 AM
I never said it wasn't one. I still will be surprised if Djokovic beats Roddick, since Roddick has played well this year.

hmm. Well, we will see. It would be an interesting match up. I like them both, so it's all good for me.

Marc23
06-10-2008, 12:50 AM
We'll see what will happen in Queens,but the thread was about this years RG...

dsingh7
06-10-2008, 12:56 AM
I heard NASA are about to recruit Aloimeh for a special "mission" that involves blasting off into the space and conveniently never returning.

:worship::) smart one

ASP0315
06-10-2008, 01:22 AM
another useless thread.
Who cares if he gave a test or not. The fact is simple Nadal won and the faker lost. I don't care if he "almost" won a set crap. The fact is nadal played terrific in the finals and federer didn't have best day in the office.
If you are trying imply that djoker is better than federer on clay. you are flat out wrong.

Oh BTW Federer had a win against nadal on clay. How many wins did Djoker has against nadal on clay.? :lol:

Aloimeh
06-10-2008, 01:31 AM
another useless thread.
Who cares if he gave a test or not. The fact is simple Nadal won and the faker lost. I don't care if he "almost" won a set crap. The fact is nadal played terrific in the finals and federer didn't have best day in the office.
If you are trying imply that djoker is better than federer on clay. you are flat out wrong.

Oh BTW Federer had a win against nadal on clay. How many wins did Djoker has against nadal on clay.? :lol:

Yawn. Stick a fork in Fraud - he's done. Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeext.

~*BGT*~
06-10-2008, 01:43 AM
No No No; you guys all missed the point of this thread
Aloimeh simply wanted to say

"Djokovic gave nadal the sturnest test at this years RG, and therefore deserves a cookie"

what aloimeh doesn't realize is that the cookie might give djokovic indigestion, which might cause him to pull out of stella artois:sad:

He would probably be allergic to the Pepto Bismal they gave him for gis sour stomach. :sad:

Yawn. Stick a fork in Fraud - he's done. Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeext.

Perrrrrrrrrrrfect example of why crazed Djokotards are my least favorite fan group. :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
06-10-2008, 02:20 AM
Perrrrrrrrrrrfect example of why crazed Djokotards are my least favorite fan group. :wavey:

Crazeeeed Laika.

luie
06-10-2008, 02:28 AM
This aloimeh just can't stop talking about novak,,geez. Novak this,novak that,all day everyday. WOW.

Clay Death
06-10-2008, 02:38 AM
This aloimeh just can't stop talking about novak,,geez. Novak this,novak that,all day everyday. WOW.

i disagree. i talk more about Djokovic and i am not even a fan of Djokovic.

also, has it occurred to you that the whole world has been talking about Fed non-stop for the last 5 years?

luie
06-10-2008, 02:55 AM
i disagree. i talk more about Djokovic and i am not even a fan of Djokovic.

also, has it occurred to you that the whole world has been talking about Fed non-stop for the last 5 years?
There is a difference YOU are a supporter of the CLAY MONSTER,,you give fed his due ,,so if you talk about novak you are a bit more "balanced in that regard,,but aloimeh only talks about novak,,,why not talk about tipsarevic a bit he is more "honourable" that novak.

Aloimeh
06-10-2008, 03:02 AM
There is a difference YOU are a supporter of the CLAY MONSTER,,you give fed his due ,,so if you talk about novak you are a bit more "balanced in that regard,,but aloimeh only talks about novak,,,why not talk about tipsarevic a bit he is more "honourable" that novak.

Why would I care to talk about Tipsarevic? His game is nothing very special, he's inconsistent, and I don't particularly care for his "beauty will save the world" stuff - potraying himself as the intellectual punk or some such. I think he had the ability to be top 10 if he had dedicated himself, but he didn't. Djokovic is a brilliant talent and workhorse and he makes the results and I respect that. When I disagree with his behavior (e.g. MC retirement) I call him on it. Since Rome, his behavior has been perfectly fine and I have no need to join in with the choir of haters who will still be going on and on about his mother and his mother's hairdresser and their lack of classiness even after he wins Wimbledon.

Clay Death
06-10-2008, 03:06 AM
There is a difference YOU are a supporter of the CLAY MONSTER,,you give fed his due ,,so if you talk about novak you are a bit more "balanced in that regard,,but aloimeh only talks about novak,,,why not talk about tipsarevic a bit he is more "honourable" that novak.


thanks. i will take any compliment i can get.

that said, lets resolve to have as much fun here as possible. most of the folks are pretty cool.

BigJohn
06-10-2008, 03:09 AM
also, has it occurred to you that the whole world has been talking about Fed non-stop for the last 5 years?

Yeah you are right. What's with that?

It is not as if this Federer dude did anything impressive during that time...

Winning all those GS titles, dominating the tour like never before is SO overrated.

GlennMirnyi
06-10-2008, 04:18 AM
This aloimeh just can't stop talking about novak,,geez. Novak this,novak that,all day everyday. WOW.

Laika is a fangirl. She started watching tennis after Faker got his first fluke TMS win. So she knows as much about tennis as Bush knows about trotskyism and she can't post about anything else. :)

i disagree. i talk more about Djokovic and i am not even a fan of Djokovic.

also, has it occurred to you that the whole world has been talking about Fed non-stop for the last 5 years?

What about your aliases?

~*BGT*~
06-10-2008, 05:30 AM
Why would I care to talk about Tipsarevic? His game is nothing very special, he's inconsistent, and I don't particularly care for his "beauty will save the world" stuff - potraying himself as the intellectual punk or some such. I think he had the ability to be top 10 if he had dedicated himself, but he didn't. Djokovic is a brilliant talent and workhorse and he makes the results and I respect that. When I disagree with his behavior (e.g. MC retirement) I call him on it. Since Rome, his behavior has been perfectly fine and I have no need to join in with the choir of haters who will still be going on and on about his mother and his mother's hairdresser and their lack of classiness even after he wins Wimbledon.

Still making bold predictions. :)

Forehander
06-10-2008, 09:53 AM
It's all about match-up. Nothing more. Sure, surprising Federer lost in such fashion, but comparing 2 players from one person claiming more points against Nadal means he's better than this other person? Wow.. Hellooooo? Are you guys on crack? Or just plain stupid? :haha:

sanshisan
06-10-2008, 01:39 PM
It's all about match-up. Nothing more. Sure, surprising Federer lost in such fashion, but comparing 2 players from one person claiming more points against Nadal means he's better than this other person? Wow.. Hellooooo? Are you guys on crack? Or just plain stupid? :haha:

No we just want to see a GAME. A real GAME. Not a sham. The DRAW manuevered Federer into a another boring Final with Nadal. Once again, Federer did not have to play Djokovic who WAS the leading player in the world at the time. This time it backfired on the tournament - the FIRE was not there in Federer and it was downright embarassing.

Maybe Federer would have beaten Djokovic in the semis and gone to the Final anyway. But let's find out. Set up a fair draw and let the best man win.

anon57
06-10-2008, 01:49 PM
No we just want to see a GAME. A real GAME. Not a sham. The DRAW manuevered Federer into a another boring Final with Nadal. Once again, Federer did not have to play Djokovic who WAS the leading player in the world at the time. This time it backfired on the tournament - the FIRE was not there in Federer and it was downright embarassing.

Maybe Federer would have beaten Djokovic in the semis and gone to the Final anyway. But let's find out. Set up a fair draw and let the best man win.
:confused: The RG draw was set up like the draw at any other tournament, it was random. And the best player did win, Djokovic being in Federer half wouldn't have changed the results of the tournament at most it would have changed the name of the finalist.

Collective
06-10-2008, 03:41 PM
i have been saying that for 100,000 years now. Djokovic has surpassed Fed on all surfaces.

Fed is bloody lucky he didnt have to face Djokovic in the semis.

According to ATP.com the head to head in clay between Roger and Djokovic is:

Federer 2-0 Djokovic

Matt01
06-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Oh BTW Federer had a win against nadal on clay. How many wins did Djoker has against nadal on clay.? :lol:


And how is this relevant for this discussion? :retard:
Djoker gave Nadal the hardest test at RG. Plus he almost beat him in Hambrug. Get over it.


Yeah you are right. What's with that?

It is not as if this Federer dude did anything impressive during that time...

Winning all those GS titles, dominating the tour like never before is SO overrated.


So true ;)

trixtah
06-10-2008, 07:20 PM
And how is this relevant for this discussion? :retard:
Djoker gave Nadal the hardest test at RG. Plus he almost beat him in Hambrug. Get over it.





So true ;)

Hardest test at RG this year...and it wasn't even close to a test. Novak had no chance through the entire match to pull out the win.

bokehlicious
06-10-2008, 07:23 PM
Set up a fair draw and let the best man win.

If the draws were meant to be "fair", then #3 seed would ALWAYS be in #2 half and #4 in #1 half :shrug:

arm
06-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Gosh, RG is over. It's been 2 days and you're still talking about RG? :eek:

Grass season has started, guys. Move on! :devil:

Matt01
06-10-2008, 07:28 PM
Gosh, RG is over. It's been 2 days and you're still talking about RG? :eek:

Grass season has started, guys. Move on! :devil:


Grass is for cows :devil:

bokehlicious
06-10-2008, 07:28 PM
Gosh, RG is over. It's been 2 days and you're still talking about RG? :eek:

Grass season has started, guys. Move on! :devil:

Ok sweetie, then ask the mods to lock every non grass related thread in GM ;)

arm
06-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Grass is for cows :devil:

:lol:

Ok sweetie, then ask the mods to lock every non grass related thread in GM ;)

Should I? :shrug: It makes no difference to me that you guys talk about RG or not. I was just giving some advice.

You don't need my advice :bigcry::bigcry: Worse: you don't want my advice! :bigcry:

Anyway, I feel like the final was last month.. That's why I posted that. :shrug:

JediFed
06-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Maybe Federer would have beaten Djokovic in the semis and gone to the Final anyway. But let's find out. Set up a fair draw and let the best man win.


If Djerk wasn't fit enough to hang with Federer for 2 sets, why would you assume he was a threat in 3?

I could see your point if Federer had lost to Djokovic, but he already defeated him in the semis of MC. Shouldn't actual head to head results on the surface matter more then 8 games?

Vida
06-10-2008, 07:58 PM
As an answer to OP claim -

Well yeah, it turned out that way. Simply looking at number of games won/lost. I guess we can add the Nadals celebration thing, that says something about whom he regards as main threat (if that is a right word). I mean, Fed was destroyed in finals, completely outplayed and humiliated. Sorry Fed fans, but that is a right word. He's been trying and trying to take the French from Rafa all these years and has failed - in style.

I don't want to attack a man when he is down, I respect his effort very much, but its clear as a day that the FO door has been shut, slammed and sealed - permanently. Really difficult to contemplate Feds chances next year (it was difficult this year also, but IMO its a done deal now)

So in that sense, this Djoko-at-FO talk has some barring. After all, he is most likely to succeed Fed as Rafas main challenger in Paris. Sure, maybe some clay courter emerges, but for now Djoko is next in line.

Personally, I rate his chances only slightly bigger than Feds (and not based on this years results - Fed was close at one point in 06, albeit not at the French) mainly down to age parallel between the Serb and Spaniard, mental 'freshness' of Djoko vs Rafa, athletism (Nole is great physically on clay, except small thorax issue which is to be remedied, I believe and hope) and lastly his 2h bh that cant be compared with Feds mosquito-byte one-hander against Nadal.

bokehlicious
06-10-2008, 08:02 PM
I guess we can add the Nadals celebration thing, that says something about whom he regards as main threat

I guess it has more to do with the "respect" growing between Nadal and Fed...

JediFed
06-10-2008, 08:10 PM
Well yeah, it turned out that way. Simply looking at number of games won/lost. I guess we can add the Nadals celebration thing, that says something about whom he regards as main threat (if that is a right word). I mean, Fed was destroyed in finals, completely outplayed and humiliated. Sorry Fed fans, but that is a right word. He's been trying and trying to take the French from Rafa all these years and has failed - in style.


He's also the only man who's beaten him in 4 years on clay in 3 sets.


I don't want to attack a man when he is down, I respect his effort very much, but its clear as a day that the FO door has been shut, slammed and sealed - permanently. Really difficult to contemplate Feds chances next year (it was difficult this year also, but IMO its a done deal now)


I don't. No one, not even Borg made 5 straight finals in a row. Vilas won the year that Borg did not play, anything can happen between now and then. A year is a long time.


So in that sense, this Djoko-at-FO talk has some barring. After all, he is most likely to succeed Fed as Rafas main challenger in Paris. Sure, maybe some clay courter emerges, but for now Djoko is next in line.


I'd agree with you if he beat Fed, but he hasn't. He won Rome, against Wawrinka, which is the weakest final on clay since at least 2004. I think the future has more in surprise for us. Agassi didn't win the French until 1999, when he was 29. It's too early yet to write off Federer.


Personally, I rate his chances only slightly bigger than Feds (and not based on this years results - Fed was close at one point in 06, albeit not at the French) mainly down to age parallel between the Serb and Spaniard, mental 'freshness' of Djoko vs Rafa, athletism (Nole is great physically on clay, except small thorax issue which is to be remedied, I believe and hope) and lastly his 2h bh that cant be compared with Feds mosquito-byte one-hander against Nadal.


Two problems with this. He is the same age as Rafa. I think Rafa will be overtaken by someone younger then him, not by his contemporaries. Lendl was younger then Borg, and took over from him, as was Wilander.

I'll say it now. I don't believe Djokovic will ever reach the finals of the French.

arm
06-10-2008, 08:15 PM
Oh no JediFed, he is one year younger. ;)

Vida
06-10-2008, 08:24 PM
I guess it has more to do with the "respect" growing between Nadal and Fed...

why the "'s ?

GuiroNl
06-10-2008, 08:29 PM
Can't believe I threw 15 minutes of my life away reading this junk

bokehlicious
06-10-2008, 08:31 PM
why the "'s ?

overrated word :o

Vida
06-10-2008, 08:36 PM
Two problems with this. He is the same age as Rafa. I think Rafa will be overtaken by someone younger then him, not by his contemporaries. Lendl was younger then Borg, and took over from him, as was Wilander.

I'll say it now. I don't believe Djokovic will ever reach the finals of the French.

Regarding Fed at the French, its basically over. If that loss against Djoko at the AO gave birth to THIS - what to expect (and please don't go down the mono-line, he played almost everything there was to be played and did very well, except he didn't win. Unless you count Estoril, that is) ? He was up, lost to Rafa in the semis, than he was straight. lost to Rafa in the finals - twice, and he was down, eat a bagel in less than two hours. See the pattern ? Up than down. Its over. (I know you wont agree, it ok. I respect your op.)

Djoko on clay - I get the sense that he is underrated a bit here (sure, one could say tha other way around, considering whose fan I am, but still...). He did very well. What he showed throughout this season is a champions mentality. Look at Gulbis match for example, or Waw finals at Rome... He did what was expected of him. So until someone greater in game and mind comes along, perhaps only clay-oriented (though that is hard to imagine, they would be thinking about Rafa, not Nole) he is there to challenge Nadal on the French. Will he do it ? As I said - he has slightly better chance than Fed. Which is only another way of saying he has no chance at all.

Vida
06-10-2008, 08:39 PM
overrated word :o

I see what you mean.

Well yeah, sure they dig each other, no question. One can go that far and wonder how come Nadal didn't let him go away with a bradstick in the third. :)

Black Adam
06-10-2008, 08:39 PM
Ok sweetie, then ask the mods to lock every non grass related thread in GM ;)
Don't give Raginglamb any ideas, she is doing "well enough" on her own.

If Djokovic was in Roger's half the result wouldn't change but at least there would be a chnce of a finalist with the balls to face Nadal. I mean for f##k sake roger just bend over. I don't mind him losing but above all I want to see competition and that can only be provided by the future of tennis (Nadal & Djokovic) squaring off Spartan style. It's time for Roger to exit the main stage because he has failed to deliver the competion fans crave.

GlennMirnyi
06-10-2008, 08:54 PM
Don't give Raginglamb any ideas, she is doing "well enough" on her own.

If Djokovic was in Roger's half the result wouldn't change but at least there would be a chnce of a finalist with the balls to face Nadal. I mean for f##k sake roger just bend over. I don't mind him losing but above all I want to see competition and that can only be provided by the future of tennis (Nadal & Djokovic) squaring off Spartan style. It's time for Roger to exit the main stage because he has failed to deliver the competion fans crave.

This post is bullshit, Meg. You know Faker isn't competition to Nadal on clay. Also Federer would make the final anyway.

Black Adam
06-10-2008, 08:59 PM
Gustav, judging by how they perfomed against the Machine, I think Nadal vs Djokovic would have been a better final than the match where Federer was also a spectator. Nobody at the moment is a real competition to Nadal in Paris but for the fan's sake they deserved to see a bit of fight and Djokovic did that in the 3rd set and didn't bend over waiting to leave as soon as possible. Those are facts.

GlennMirnyi
06-10-2008, 09:01 PM
Gustav, judging by how they perfomed against the Machine, I think Nadal vs Djokovic would have been a better final than the match where Federer was also a spectator. Nobody at the moment is a real competition to Nadal in Paris but for the fan's sake they deserved to see a bit of fight and Djokovic did that in the 3rd set and didn't bend over waiting to leave as soon as possible. Those are facts.

He didn't fight. Nadal was the one lowering the guard. It was too easy before that.

Johnny Groove
06-10-2008, 09:03 PM
He didn't fight. Nadal was the one lowering the guard. It was too easy before that.

Nadal just wanted to give the crowd a little bit of excitement. In the tiebreak, Nadal dominated

arm
06-10-2008, 09:07 PM
Nadal just wanted to give the crowd a little bit of excitement. In the tiebreak, Nadal dominated

So nadal would rather be friendly to Djokovic than to Federer?

:shrug: I had no idea.. I thought that Fed and Nadal were great friends.. :shrug:

Black Adam
06-10-2008, 09:10 PM
Nadal also slowed down a bit in the 2nd set of the final but Fedy wasn't man enough to take advantage like Djokovic did in that 3rd set. Instead Fedy just bend over and from then onwards Nadal decided to kill the match inbrutal and enjoyable fashion. In that respect Djokovic did better than Fed at taking advantage of Nadal slowing down his rythm.

Vida
06-10-2008, 10:11 PM
To be honest, I was like 'wow' to Feds play there. Like a dead horse. Didn't expect it at all. There was much hype around it... that goat/borg stuff and all.

But looking how it turned out, Nole and Nadal must be laughing at the (conceivable) idea that Fed is on the irreversible down-slope. Maybe Wimby proves them wrong but USO is a slammer.

RagingLamb
06-10-2008, 11:20 PM
Don't give Raginglamb any ideas, she is doing "well enough" on her own.

If Djokovic was in Roger's half the result wouldn't change but at least there would be a chnce of a finalist with the balls to face Nadal. I mean for f##k sake roger just bend over. I don't mind him losing but above all I want to see competition and that can only be provided by the future of tennis (Nadal & Djokovic) squaring off Spartan style. It's time for Roger to exit the main stage because he has failed to deliver the competion fans crave.

I don't know where people got the idea that I'm a girl, but I can assure you that I'm not.

p.s. I don't see how a straights sets loss is stern, or let alone, a test. Sure, it's better than being bageled, but come on. It's not really a test. It's not even close.

Black Adam
06-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Sorry. Its just that everyone acts like you are a chick.

jcempire
06-11-2008, 12:31 AM
honestly, I do not think Djok played well on RG

He can do much better than it.

Marc23
06-11-2008, 01:43 AM
Well,he can,but he did just enough to come to the semis and continued his form in his match with Nadal which was not enough do do against Nadal...but,even with his "bad" game plan he won most games+set point against the eventual winner!

ToniTennis
06-11-2008, 09:19 AM
There's no way Rafa would easily defeat the Djokovic that played from 3-1 until the end of that match, he was throwing a lot of winners and Rafa didn't even get near breaking him. If Nole can play always like this against Nadal on clay, his chances are reasonable.

It's pretty tiresome and pointless talking about "ifs". Yep, if Djoko had showed that level of play from the begining; and if Fed had played like when he still had the slightest chance at 3-3 we might be talking now about takeovers and GOATs and pretty flowers...on the other hand, if Rafa had played the way he played all the game Novak would be buried in clay by now, just alongside Roger. The truth is that Rafa pretty much smashed both Nole and Fed and the best we can do is figure out what might have happened to get there...:shrug:

Marc23
06-11-2008, 02:07 PM
This is true...ifs don't count!