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Horst Skoff died

feuselino
06-08-2008, 08:40 AM
Just read it in an Austrian newspaper - here is the link: http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=3366705

Heart attack with 39... horrible...

RIP!

Nathaliia
06-08-2008, 08:42 AM
Ouchhhh......... RIP :sad:

Dougie
06-08-2008, 08:42 AM
Wow...Didn´t see that one coming. He was a great player, this is really sad news.

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 08:48 AM
Yes, it's true. I just checked the Austrian news sites.

He really let himself go once he retired and was very large, so he was a candidate for a heart attack.

Sad to see him to go at such a young age, he was a very controversial in the day and did provide many laughs.

His highlights marrying a former Miss World, beating Mats Wilander in a 6 hour Davis Cup match and also last Austrian to win the Vienna Indoor over rival Thomas Muster.

scoobs
06-08-2008, 08:50 AM
Wow - sad news. That's so young....

Allez
06-08-2008, 08:53 AM
Who was he and what did he win ? 39 is not that young, but I'm sure it's still sad for his family RIP.

Stefanos13
06-08-2008, 08:59 AM
...39 is not that young, ....
:scared:

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:00 AM
Who was he and what did he win ? 39 is not that young, but I'm sure it's still sad for his family RIP.

Thanks for that quality post of insensitvity.

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:09 AM
:scared:

I must have read the numbers the wrong way around. Oh so he was NOT 93 ;) My bad. ;)

Black Adam
06-08-2008, 09:09 AM
Allez is alleging that when old people die they are not missed much because of their age. Nice comment dude.

Horatio Caine
06-08-2008, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the insight on him PMK...he was a little before my time. :D May he RIP...not the nicest way to go. :sad:

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:10 AM
Thanks for that quality post of insensitvity.

Cheer up GWH. Life's too short.

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the insight on him PMK...he was a little before my time. :D May he RIP...not the nicest way to go. :sad:

Here is the short version. Skoff was more known for his loathing of Muster and vice versa. Austria never had any good tennis players, then Muster and Skoff came through at the same time.

They played Davis Cup together and got Austria's best ever result in 1990 and hardly spoke to each other. Skoff had the natural talent that Muster didn't, whereas Muster had the work ethic that Skoff didn't.

Best result besides his 4 IS titles were a finalist in Monte Carlo losing to Lendl. He liked the party life and loved his food, because he had a stocky physique, once he stopped training, he got really fat and this helped the heart attack for sure.

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:18 AM
Allez is alleging that when old people die they are not missed much because of their age. Nice comment dude.

Good heavens, I can't win can I ? If you've been good chances are you'll be missed, not that it will mean anything to you though ;)

KitinovRules
06-08-2008, 09:20 AM
39 is still very young age.
Connors still played tennis professionaly when he had 40!!!

I don't remember his style of play at all, I just know that he was playing in the beggining of the 90's

Eden
06-08-2008, 09:21 AM
Terrible news. RIP

Herdwick
06-08-2008, 09:23 AM
Sad news - just hope he enjoyed his life.

Allez - stop digging.

(39 doesn't seem that young when you're in your teens but once you pass 21 it sure does.)

Neely
06-08-2008, 09:26 AM
That's really unbelievable news which I didn't expect. Of course saying his weight was a risk factor for the heart attack is one thing, but on the other hand there are many more people fatter than him and still don't suffer that at such an early thing. So really a shock somehow :sad:

So we don't hear chants for him in Vienna this year? I think it will more be a like a minute of silence in honor to him.

really shocked to hear that

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:26 AM
Allez, you have earned a good seeding in the arse clown contest.

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:28 AM
Here are a few pics in the different stages.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/HorstiDC.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/CoolHorsti.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/HorstiandMuster.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/Horstiinsexyshirt.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/HorstiandLjubo.jpg

Neely
06-08-2008, 09:29 AM
Allez, you have earned a good seeding in the arse clown contest.
I'm also sad to hear this, but somehow I must have gotten it a bit different because I didn't think his post was THAT stupid despite for me, 39 years is young even for a heart attack and his condition. And of course he's right when he's saying it matters most for the people who loved him.

jonas
06-08-2008, 09:31 AM
Very sad :sad:

Horst seemed like such a nice bloke

RIP mr Skoff

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:33 AM
I'm also sad to hear this, but somehow I must have gotten it a bit different because I didn't think his post was THAT stupid despite for me, 39 years is young even for a heart attack and his condition. And of course he's right when he's saying it matters most for the people who loved him.

It was insensitive pure and simple. Not the point RIP and condolonces to the family would be enough. Sometimes less is more.

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:33 AM
Allez, you have earned a good seeding in the arse clown contest.

No I've behaved myself this year. You can't enter me into that horrible competition. Saying 39 isn't THAT young is not enough to qualify. Just a joke.

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:37 AM
It was insensitive pure and simple. Not the point RIP and condolonces to the family would be enough. Sometimes less is more.

Listen I've known people who've died in their 20's. I'm sure this bloke lived his life to the full and got the most out of his 39 years. That's what matters the most in the end. This is silly, I'm so over it.

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:39 AM
Muster said this about Horsti.

"Es ist sehr schwer zu fassen, dass ein Mensch in so jungen Jahren sterben muss. Horsti hat mich über viele Jahre meiner Karriere begleitet, herausgefordert, motiviert und zu Höchstleistungen getrieben. Bei aller Konkurrenz waren wir trotzdem einen großen Teil unseres Lebens eng miteinander verbunden. Ich möchte der Familie und allen Freunden auch im Namen meiner Eltern auf diesem Weg meine aufrichtige Anteilnahme zum Ausdruck bringen."

Neely
06-08-2008, 09:42 AM
I don't remember his style of play at all, I just know that he was playing in the beggining of the 90's
He didn't have such a banner game, it's hard to say a lot about him. He had no really big weapon, it was the whole package as a player which made him dangerous if his game was on. He wasn't too comfortable at the net either, but his feet were relatively good.

It was insensitive pure and simple. Not the point RIP and condolonces to the family would be enough. Sometimes less is more.
Well, there are different receptions then and just let me say I didn't think it was that bad. I've seen much worse things posted relating to happenings like that and at this moment I didn't catch it THAT bad.

*Ljubica*
06-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Very sad news :sad: RIP - and condolences to his family at this tragic time.

luxsword
06-08-2008, 09:47 AM
Allez is alleging that when old people die they are not missed much because of their age. Nice comment dude.
How about being sad only when someone dies young ? It's sad to die young, but no less sad to die older. It's just sad to die.
RIP :awww:

scoobs
06-08-2008, 09:49 AM
Allez, you have earned a good seeding in the arse clown contest.
I have a feeling that this year's will be a good one.

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 09:49 AM
Well I wonder what will happen to his academy now.

Neely, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't consider posting a message about a player I'd never heard of, any further than RIP and condolonces to the family.

So, I have seen severed heads at car accidents in my job, doesn't mean the initial comment wasn't insensitive.

This is about Horsti's hard and fast life and when your time is up, it's up.

Neely
06-08-2008, 09:52 AM
How about being sad only when someone dies young ? It's sad to die young, but no less sad to die older. It's just sad to die.
RIP :awww:
For the family and the people involved it hardly matters at what time, it's almost always the same pain of losing somebody. However, for the neutral, further-related or non-related people it's not as tragic if you hear of a 80 year-old passing due to just the way of life and our human nature where you can say he/she had a fulfilled life than a younger person at -let's say- 40 years die because of something which just sounds not right yet at this stage of life.

TommyB.
06-08-2008, 09:53 AM
RIP Horst :sad:

Neely
06-08-2008, 09:55 AM
Neely, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't consider posting a message about a player I'd never heard of, any further than RIP and condolonces to the family.
I hope me neither. As you said, it wasn't the most sensible post, however I also don't think it was that outrageously bad. That's all I had to say.

bokehlicious
06-08-2008, 09:56 AM
He was one of my fave back in the 90's, sad, sad, sad news :sad: RIP Horst :sad:

Allez
06-08-2008, 09:56 AM
How about being sad only when someone dies young ? It's sad to die young, but no less sad to die older. It's just sad to die.
RIP :awww:

It's sadder to die young...say before you hit 30 because of all the unfulfilled potential. Once you hit 30 you should have achieved the majority of your goals and thus any additional day is a bonus. That's the way I look at it anyway. So as long as you get out of your 20's alive all is well. :worship: Don't ridicule, it's a valid philosophy to live by ;)

Nathaliia
06-08-2008, 09:57 AM
Thanks Allez for contributing.

I love reading your thoughts on death.

bokehlicious
06-08-2008, 09:59 AM
It's sadder to die young...say before you hit 30 because of all the unfulfilled potential. Once you hit 30 you should have achieved the majority of your goals and thus any additional day is a bonus. That's the way I look at it anyway. So as long as you get out of your 20's alive all is well. :worship: Don't ridicule, it's a valid philosophy to live by ;)

Come back posting once you hit 30, you kid, and tell us if you're "ready to die" cause you've achieved the majority of your goals :retard::retard::retard:

luzkoz
06-08-2008, 09:59 AM
Sad to hear :sad:. R.I.P.

Herdwick
06-08-2008, 10:01 AM
It's sadder to die young...say before you hit 30 because of all the unfulfilled potential. Once you hit 30 you should have achieved the majority of your goals and thus any additional day is a bonus. That's the way I look at it anyway. So as long as you get out of your 20's alive all is well. :worship: Don't ridicule, it's a valid philosophy to live by ;)

Well if your flag is accurate, with our health service that's a comforting philosophy. Thanks for reminding me I will shortly be living on borrowed time.

Action Jackson
06-08-2008, 10:04 AM
From the 6hr match against Wilander.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/YoungHorsti.jpg

With Antonitsch
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/HorstiandAntonitsch.jpg

Last days
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/Horstion7th.jpg

Castafiore
06-08-2008, 10:07 AM
^ Look at the difference in those pictures between the first and the last one. Too bad.


R.I.P. Horst!

Allez
06-08-2008, 10:13 AM
Come back posting once you hit 30, you kid, and tell us if you're "ready to die" cause you've achieved the majority of your goals :retard::retard::retard:

I'm not a kid and not a teen and are certainly not afraid of death nor should you ;) As GWH says, when your time is up, it's up. It's better if it happens later than sooner but happen it will. You can live to be 90 and not be anywhere near achieving your goals, but it is unfair to expect people to have achieved them before their 30's that's all I'm saying. Therefore dying before you're in your 30's is more disappointing. Anyway this is getting ridiculous. I think we're all in agreement that Skoff is hopefully resting in peace so no fightin' please.

Sommarsverige
06-08-2008, 10:48 AM
This is really shocking and sad news :sad:

Condolences to his family in this hard time :hug:

Chocobo
06-08-2008, 10:52 AM
I remember reading the "What are former tennis players doing now" (or something like this) thread a few weeks ago, and PMK is innocent just posted about Horst Skoff and his academy, his wedding with a former miss world etc., which brought him to my memory. I have few memories of him, a solid player, no big weapons, but solid spinned groundstrokes both sides...

So sad to die so young...RIP

rocketassist
06-08-2008, 10:54 AM
This is awful news :sad: Seemed like a real character in the game when he and Muster came through at once.

The difference in pics George shows is really staggering how different in size he is.

39 is too young.

Eden
06-08-2008, 11:04 AM
Former Austrian tennis player Horst Skoff dies
Sun, 08 Jun 2008

Vienna - Austrian tennis player Horst Skoff, who is remembered for being part of a historic Davis Cup matchs, has died of a heart attack, Austrian news reports said on Sunday. He was 39. National broadcaster ORF and the news agency APA said that Skoff died in a Hamburg hospital on Saturday night while visiting Germany in search of sponsors for a tennis event.

Skoff won four tournaments in his career and reached a number 18 ranking in the ATP list.

His biggest win came in the 1989 Davis quarter-final in Vienna when he beat Sweden's Mats Wilander, 6-7 (5-7), 7-6 (9-7), 1-6, 6-4, 9-7, in a 6:04 hours marathon which is the longest in competition history after the tiebreak was introduced.

Austrian chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer told APA that "we will always remember this match" as he named Skoff "one of our country's most successful tennis players."

Thomas Muster, who stole the headlines from Skoff most of the time, told APA: "It is difficult to understand that a man has to die at such young age. Horsti was with me during a long time in my career, he challenged me, motivated me and made me play at my best."

Skoff's death comes two months after Austrian women's doubles player Daniela Klemenschits died of cancer at the age of 25.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/210866,former-austrian-tennis-player-horst-skoff-dies.html

Kolya
06-08-2008, 11:04 AM
Condolences to Skoff's family and friends.

To Allez, just shut up.

KitinovRules
06-08-2008, 12:20 PM
From the 6hr match against Wilander.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/YoungHorsti.jpg

With Antonitsch
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/HorstiandAntonitsch.jpg

Last days
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/Horstion7th.jpg

OMG, he really looks huge at the last photo.
Sad, so sad.
If I didn't knew that he was 39 , I would have given him 50 at least.

Did he had family? Any kids?

jpatatsos
06-08-2008, 12:23 PM
Rip

Sunset of Age
06-08-2008, 12:29 PM
RIP and condolences to all who knew and loved him...


I have a feeling that this year's will be a good one.

Yep. Might as well enlarge the draw to 256 in stead of 128.

It's sadder to die young...say before you hit 30 because of all the unfulfilled potential. Once you hit 30 you should have achieved the majority of your goals and thus any additional day is a bonus.

What's your age? Twelve? Or is that your IQ? :retard:

the cat
06-08-2008, 12:39 PM
That's such sad news about the passing of Horst Skoff. :sad: My condolences go out to his family and friends.

Voo de Mar
06-08-2008, 01:13 PM
:( He was one of my favourite players when I began to watch tennis...

Burrow
06-08-2008, 01:22 PM
39 is way too young, poor guy and his family. RIP Horst.

Strange time for me right now, my uncle is lying in hospital dying from an assault and my grandmother who I was really close to past on yesterday from cancer.

When I see people dying right now and read about poor guys like this, I really hope their is an after life.

Jelena
06-08-2008, 01:47 PM
Shocking news. :eek: He was never one of my biggest favourite, but he was especially on clay always a player who was capable to reach a QF of a bigger (not the biggest) tournament.

PMK, you liked Skoffi a lot, you even followed his path when his career was over. Considering that it's more than understandable that you are shocked by the news and mourning in a way. Yes it is a different way of mourning than the family and the closest do, but still you mourn about him. That's why you are as sensitive as you are now about some insensitive comments of

Allez: When you don't know a person who died you would have had two possibilities of reacting. Either you stay out of the thread or you only post a RIP or whatever else is usual out of politeness. But your comment in the beginning is very very insensitive. Only because you don't know the player maybe others of the 30000 users of this forum might have known him. Maybe they are sad because they realise they will never see him again. So please next time think a bit.

Btw, I'm reaching 39 in four years and I don't want to go sooo early. I really hope that Jesus gives me more time on this earth than Skoff had it.

Merton
06-08-2008, 02:10 PM
RIP Horst. He was quite a character, he will be missed. Too bad he allowed himself to go overweight.

leng jai
06-08-2008, 02:13 PM
Never heard of him until today but it seems he was a very good player with memorable matches. I am sure many will be deeply saddened by his death and 39 is young in anyone's book.

Allez you need a brain transplant asap.

enqvistfan
06-08-2008, 03:51 PM
He wasn't one of my favourite at that period but it's always sad to hear that someone dies, esp. so young.

RIP Horst and condolences to his family & friends

Unfortunately, when you stop to play, you start to enjoy the "normal" life, just look at pics of Kafelnikov :(

Dougie
06-08-2008, 03:52 PM
It's sadder to die young...say before you hit 30 because of all the unfulfilled potential. Once you hit 30 you should have achieved the majority of your goals and thus any additional day is a bonus. That's the way I look at it anyway. So as long as you get out of your 20's alive all is well. :worship: Don't ridicule, it's a valid philosophy to live by ;)

This has got to be one of the most stupid things I´ve seen in a while. If you´re something like 14 (as I assume you are, otherwise you have no defense for your obvious stupidity) things might seem that way, but once you start getting close to 30, you actually start to realize what the REAL goals and valuable things are in life. And no, those things don´t include beating your classmates in xbox. And by the way, 39 is young, by any standards.

FNT
06-08-2008, 03:55 PM
I remember reading somewhere that 40-ish is one of the worst ages for men heartwise.
RIP.

fran70
06-08-2008, 04:00 PM
I was shocked when I read this news. It`s really sad.

My condolences for Horst relatives, friends and people that appreciated him.

DDrago2
06-08-2008, 04:05 PM
Yes, it's true. I just checked the Austrian news sites.

He really let himself go once he retired and was very large, so he was a candidate for a heart attack.


This is the most standrard recepy for an early heart attack. I know many ex-sportsman who had similar destiniy

Carlita
06-08-2008, 04:25 PM
It's sadder to die young...say before you hit 30 because of all the unfulfilled potential. Once you hit 30 you should have achieved the majority of your goals and thus any additional day is a bonus. That's the way I look at it anyway. So as long as you get out of your 20's alive all is well. :worship: Don't ridicule, it's a valid philosophy to live by ;):silly: good to know I can die now because Im over 30 :rolleyes: You don't stop living when you hit 30 and there are lots of things to achieve after .... but whatever...goodness me....

RIP Horst :sad:

Lee
06-08-2008, 04:37 PM
First thing first.

RIP Horst and condolence to his family.

Lee
06-08-2008, 04:41 PM
For Allez. Since I am older than Horst, I guess can be a real couch potato, staying at home all days since I have achieved everything in my life. Except I still like to get better with my study of Spanish. Except I still like to watch my son grows up. Except that Alaskan cruise I like. Except......

I am really sorry that there's so little things in your life that you like to achieve that you can finish them before you're 30.

Allez
06-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Lee and everyone, I did not mean to imply that life ends in your 30s! Gosh I hope not as that would mean I do not have too long to live! I just meant...forget it. RIP Skoff RIP.

ChinoRios4Ever
06-08-2008, 05:08 PM
:sad: RIP

CyBorg
06-08-2008, 05:42 PM
Sad news.

Thanks for the pictures.

martine2
06-08-2008, 08:01 PM
OMG this is terrible news :sad: :sad: My thoughts are with his loved ones :sad:

Mateya
06-08-2008, 08:12 PM
Heart attack at 39 :spit: That's way to soon, no matter how big or rounded you are. Especially with living healty, sport life before...
RIP and have more luck on the other world. :hug:

In our country the most dangerous years for this happening are from 45-55, so 39 is reeeealy too soon. :sad:

shotgun
06-08-2008, 08:24 PM
Sad news. He was before my time, but if he loathed Muster, good chance I would have been his fan.

arm
06-08-2008, 08:33 PM
Who was he and what did he win ? 39 is not that young, but I'm sure it's still sad for his family RIP.

In which country do you live?? Is it in Africa? :eek:

Sad news. :sad:

EDIT: BTW, what does RIP mean? I have no idea.. :shrug:

EDIT 2: I already know. :) thanks Jelena

Puschkin
06-08-2008, 08:33 PM
I just heard the news before today's final started. It made the result less relevant. Horsti was part of Austria's modest tennis history. And the sometimes ridiculous, sometimes funny Horsti-shouts at the BA-CA-tennis trophy will never be heard again. :sad:

zicofirol
06-08-2008, 08:50 PM
guys, allez is from sierra leone so cut him some slack...

rip skoff, got out of tennis just as I was getting into tennis so i dont remember him...

kafelnikov should take note on the weight issue...

Jelena
06-08-2008, 08:57 PM
I just heard the news before today's final started. It made the result less relevant. Horsti was part of Austria's modest tennis history. And the sometimes ridiculous, sometimes funny Horsti-shouts at the BA-CA-tennis trophy will never be heard again. :sad:
same with me and Eurochamp results today. What is a result of a football match when someone died? :sad:

eljab
06-08-2008, 08:59 PM
wow...
what a bad news.

:sad:

Corey Feldman
06-08-2008, 11:52 PM
sad news

what a sad day

Action Jackson
06-09-2008, 04:14 AM
http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=13554367

Horst Skoff, former tennis player who won 4 ATP Tour titles, dies at 39

The Associated Press
Sunday, June 8, 2008

HAMBURG, Germany: Horst Skoff, a former Austrian tennis player who won four ATP Tour titles, has died during a business trip to Germany. He was 39.

Skoff died Saturday night in Hamburg and was initially diagnosed with heart failure, but his friend Arno Puckhofer said federal police had ordered an autopsy to determine the cause of death. Puckhofer told Austrian news agency APA that police were investigating why Skoff had injuries to his face.

"They don't necessarily have to be from the fall after possible heart failure," Puckhofer was quoted as saying.

Puckhofer said Skoff, who ran a tennis school the past 19 months, battled weight problems since his retirement from the sport in 1995.

Skoff was ranked as high as 18th in the world in 1990, and had a singles record of 228-203. He also added two ATP Tour doubles titles to his four singles victories.

Skoff helped lead Austria to the 1990 Davis Cup semifinals along with the former top-ranked Thomas Muster. Austria lost 3-2 against the United States in front of 40,000 spectators at Vienna's Prater Stadium, after Skoff lost a five-set match to Michael Chang.

"It's hard to comprehend that a person so young had to die," Muster said. "He accompanied me, challenged me and motivated me over many years."

One of Skoff's most memorable victories was a five-set win over the former top-ranked Mats Wilander in the 1989 Davis Cup quarterfinals, in a match that lasted more than six hours.

Austrian chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer hailed Skoff as "one of our country's most successful tennis players," and told APA that he had still not forgotten the epic five-setter against Wilander.

"We will always remember this match," Gusenbauer said.

There was no immediate word of surviving family members.

Econman
06-09-2008, 04:24 AM
Horst Skoff was a good player. He was a finalist at the German Open and Barcelona tourament in 1989. He was a semi finalist at the Monte Carlo Open at 18 years old and again in 1989. He won minor tournaments. His erratic behaviour affected his results. He retired from a match at the tournament in Adelaide in the early 1990s because the conditions were too hot.

Some athletes have difficulty maintaining their weight after retirement. Physical exercise and training, stringent diets and devoting their lives to sport and accomplishing athletic goals can have a detrimental affect on their lifestyle after sport. Thomas Muster and Yevgeny Kafelnikov are two examples of former tennis players who gained weight after retirement. Muster lost the weight to compete on the Senior tour. There are numerous examples in professional sport.

Action Jackson
06-09-2008, 04:35 AM
Skoff had a sneaky serve with plenty of kick and had an excellent forehand. His BH was a bit ordinary and that was how he was exposed. The contrast between when he was fit and when he stopped playing. the pics say it all.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/skoff_07_gepa_158817a.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/skoff_02_gepa_158821a.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/skoff_08_ap_158855a.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/skoff_08_gepa_158816a.jpg

Action Jackson
06-09-2008, 04:47 AM
Sad news. He was before my time, but if he loathed Muster, good chance I would have been his fan.

No, it was genuine loathing between them. You had to understand that Austria had no tennis tradition before Muster and Skoff, then they had these two headstrong characters come through at the same time.

This article might be of interest, written in 1990. Like I said he danced to his own tune, had all of the qualities, clown, bitch, humble, reflective and sometime all within a minute.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1136488/index.htm

An Austrian Not To Be Scoffed At
The U.S. must be at its best to beat Horst Skoff and his Davis Cup mates in Vienna
Franz Lidz


Seven years ago, when Horst Skoff was Austria's top junior tennis player, his defiant air, incessant complaining and sudden outbursts of anger combined to make him a sort of John McEnroe of Europe's clay courts. He bullied anyone who got in the way of his self-glorification, lobbing insults at linesmen as well as at fans who cheered for his opponents. Later, while playing France's Yannick Noah, a local favorite, at the 1987 Monte Carlo Open, Skoff turned to the partisan crowd and shouted, "The more you whistle, the better I play."

The next year Ivan Lendl called Skoff "the biggest jerk in tennis." Skoff affirmed his status during an opening-round loss at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul by heading the ball back to Stefan Edberg on match point. "I thought it was funny," says Skoff, "but others thought I was mocking the Games."

Skoff sniped at anything that moved, and a lot that didn't. But it wasn't until his sponsors started deserting him that Skoff stopped scoffing. Today, at 22, he is a model of deportment on the court, an engaging mix of Teutonic stolidity and Viennese charm. He laughs often and easily, and speaks freely of his concerns and apprehensions. "At 16, the local newspapers made me out to be a god," said Skoff, who was ranked No. 23 after upsetting his countryman, eighth-ranked Thomas Muster, to reach the semifinals of the Austrian Open last month. "That was very bad for me."

Through it all, Skoff retained a loyal following, thanks in part to his game. It is most effective on clay, on which he can bludgeon forehands from the baseline, but he also is clever and creative, a master of angles and oddball shots. Last year Skoff hoodwinked Boris Becker 7-6, 6-2 at a Grand Prix tournament in Hamburg, and he outfoxed the equally sly Mats Wilander in a five-set Davis Cup match that lasted more than six hours. "In two words, Skoff is 'big worker,' " says Ion Tiriac, the exacting Romanian who manages Becker. "He's a fighter who gives hell."

Like McEnroe, Skoff was a child of the establishment who once lived to scorn the establishment. Born in Klagenfurt, he started playing at six with the help of his stepfather, Lukas Boschitz, who founded the tiny Kuehnsdorf Tennis Club. At 11, Skoff enrolled at the Südstadt sports center near Vienna. The school is an extended boot camp for Austria's most promising young athletes, who train there at least five hours a day, every day. Skoff says that the school maintains that "tennis is a martial sport" and that a trainer once told him never to acknowledge that an opponent had won with superior skill. "He said to always find an excuse," recalls Skoff. "So whenever I lost, I blamed either my back or my ankle or my stomach."

Südstadt's other big ego belonged to Muster, a persistent if plodding baseliner from Leibnitz. Though he and Skoff are hardly the best of friends, they remain Davis Cup teammates. This year they have led Austria to victories over Spain and Italy and later this month they will face the U.S. in a semifinal tie on clay in Vienna.

The Americans will have to muster all their forces to prevail against these two. In a 1989 win over Australia, Muster, who will never be confused with a Viennese choirboy himself, showed just how seriously he takes Davis Cup competition, when Mark Woodforde weakly pushed a return over the net. Instead of tapping the ball away, Muster smashed it into Woodforde's chest. "Such a hit intimidates the opponent," said Muster later. "It shows him my strength and that I do not have the slightest consideration for him."

Skoff may be less contemptuous than he used to be, but he's just as intransigent as ever. Muster suffered severe knee injuries in an April 1989 car accident and was sidelined for five months. Yet Skoff didn't send his condolences. "I'm real sad that this happened to Tom," he said, "but I can't call him. I don't think he'd believe my concern is honest."

Still, Skoff has become a Horst of a different color on the court. He's polite, even courtly, mugging good-naturedly and applauding his opponent's play. "I am no longer the angry young man," he says. "I decided there was nothing to be gained by arguing and complaining. I've learned to be diplomatic, that it's better at times to shut up."

fast_clay
06-09-2008, 04:48 AM
18 rank... guy was better than decent... looks as tho he didnt battle hard enough with the weight tho...

funnily enough i remember those years in the early 90's with skoff retirement + woodforde sabatini injuries that led to questioning the rebound ace surface as too harsh...



RIP

TMJordan
06-09-2008, 04:48 AM
Horrible news. :sad:

RIP Horst.

but-it's-ok
06-09-2008, 07:11 AM
so,so,so:sad:

My thoughts are with his family. So devastating.

RIP Horst

Action Jackson
06-09-2008, 07:28 AM
18 rank... guy was better than decent... looks as tho he didnt battle hard enough with the weight tho...

funnily enough i remember those years in the early 90's with skoff retirement + woodforde sabatini injuries that led to questioning the rebound ace surface as too harsh...

RIP

Well, he had some struggles towards the end of his career with it. Especially as he had the short and stocky build, with very strong legs. As has been said needless to say he struggled with the weight problems afterwards. He liked his food and his alcohol.

When he retired with the too hot thing, he came straight from European winter and couldn't be bothered that day. The ATP haven't announced anything, as he had a lawsuit against them.

KitinovRules
06-09-2008, 08:02 AM
He really was huge.
http://lichtinsdunkel.orf.at/dateien/3656_horst-skoff-k.jpg

RonE
06-09-2008, 01:34 PM
Sad sad news :sad:

RIP

zethand
06-09-2008, 02:17 PM
This days death is not that bad, for the people who die. It's bad for the people who remain.
Let the guy rest in peace!

Neely
06-09-2008, 05:23 PM
He died in a German hospital and I just read on teletext that the German authorities ordered an autopsy to clarify the exact circumstances about his death. Media heard from Skoff's entourage that the reason for the autopsy apparently were some unexplained traces in his face which could be due to external forces being related to his death. At the same it could be nothing significant at all. I think they just want to be sure about it.

Raquel
06-09-2008, 05:38 PM
RIP Horst :sad:

Certainly a character ;)

Some more here on the relationship between Horst and Thomas :) - http://entertainment.ralphlauren.com/magazine/editorial/su06/tennis_feuds.asp

Thomas Muster vs. Horst Skoff

Ivan Lendl once called Horst Skoff “the biggest jerk in tennis.” Skoff earned his reputation by always finding an excuse whenever he lost, insulting linespeople, and even heading the ball back on match point against Stefan Edberg at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Equally offensive, Thomas Muster got his kicks by trying to maim players with vicious body shots. Once when an opponent was eating a banana during a changeover, he walked by, grabbed it and ate it himself. “I’m not Mr. Nice Guy. I’m a tough cookie,” bragged Muster.

Familiarity bred contempt ever since the two abrasive Austrians were juniors. Skoff took a lot of flak for being the smallest kid in training camp, and one day Muster and his pals put him into a box and taped it shut. Their hatred later became public when Muster criticized Skoff’s training habits in the Austrian press. Skoff fired back by telling reporters he didn’t like Muster’s demands to be paid for playing Davis Cup. For years they wouldn’t talk to each other. Muster upped the ante by not dressing in the same locker room as Skoff, and in 1993 he refused to play Davis Cup if Skoff were on the team.

To his credit, Skoff gradually matured, but the scowling Muster, who won the 1995 French Open and briefly gained the No. 1 ranking, never mellowed.

Ubaldo Scanagatta, Italy’s leading tennis writer, recalled an irate Muster after whipping Skoff in a contentious Florence final. “In the locker room—and nobody else was there but his masseur—Thomas told me, ‘I’d like one day to find myself within four walls alone with Horst and finally have a chance to hit him with a lot of punches until I knock him down.’'

fast_clay
06-09-2008, 05:55 PM
RIP Horst :sad:

Certainly a character ;)

Some more here on the relationship between Horst and Thomas :) - http://entertainment.ralphlauren.com/magazine/editorial/su06/tennis_feuds.asp

Thomas Muster vs. Horst Skoff

Ivan Lendl once called Horst Skoff “the biggest jerk in tennis.” Skoff earned his reputation by always finding an excuse whenever he lost, insulting linespeople, and even heading the ball back on match point against Stefan Edberg at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Equally offensive, Thomas Muster got his kicks by trying to maim players with vicious body shots. Once when an opponent was eating a banana during a changeover, he walked by, grabbed it and ate it himself. “I’m not Mr. Nice Guy. I’m a tough cookie,” bragged Muster.

Familiarity bred contempt ever since the two abrasive Austrians were juniors. Skoff took a lot of flak for being the smallest kid in training camp, and one day Muster and his pals put him into a box and taped it shut. Their hatred later became public when Muster criticized Skoff’s training habits in the Austrian press. Skoff fired back by telling reporters he didn’t like Muster’s demands to be paid for playing Davis Cup. For years they wouldn’t talk to each other. Muster upped the ante by not dressing in the same locker room as Skoff, and in 1993 he refused to play Davis Cup if Skoff were on the team.

To his credit, Skoff gradually matured, but the scowling Muster, who won the 1995 French Open and briefly gained the No. 1 ranking, never mellowed.

Ubaldo Scanagatta, Italy’s leading tennis writer, recalled an irate Muster after whipping Skoff in a contentious Florence final. “In the locker room—and nobody else was there but his masseur—Thomas told me, ‘I’d like one day to find myself within four walls alone with Horst and finally have a chance to hit him with a lot of punches until I knock him down.’'


good read, i really enjoyed the bit about muster and the banana... a really leftfield form of intimidation... :rolleyes: ... there was no win that gave me more satisfaction than when rafter chopped muster up from behind the baseline and at the net in RG97 4th rd... muster was pulling all kinds of sh!te in that match...

obvious muster n skoff didnt like each other much...

but, that sort of stuff perhaps helps shape a players mental toughness...

Louche
06-09-2008, 06:31 PM
It's OK to have colorful characters in the world. Lord knows this board has a few and tennis does too.

Oh, I'm over 30 and life doesn't really end there. I just have to sit down more often.

C Ya someday, Horst, wherever that may be.

Neely
06-09-2008, 06:44 PM
It's OK to have colorful characters in the world. Lord knows this board has a few and tennis does too.
Very true :yeah: and that's a reason for me why I liked to watch them both in the 90s.

boughtmypoints
06-10-2008, 01:35 AM
It's a shock alright.

Muster was the anti Skoff. The Roy Keane to Skoff's Gazza.

There have been very few players I have booed, but Horst was one of them. That said, it was a long time ago ... when drug use was widespread on the tour.

I am surprised no one remarked upon the original article :


Der Kärntner wurde nach Angaben der Polizei nicht auf der Straße, sondern in einem
Sex-Club gefunden. Das Etablissement im Stadtteil Hamburg-Hamm ist der Exekutive
bisher nicht negativ aufgefallen.

If I am understanding this correctly, Horst went out with a smile.

Action Jackson
06-10-2008, 05:08 AM
It's a shock alright.

Muster was the anti Skoff. The Roy Keane to Skoff's Gazza.

There have been very few players I have booed, but Horst was one of them. That said, it was a long time ago ... when drug use was widespread on the tour.

I am surprised no one remarked upon the original article cited :


Der Kärntner wurde nach Angaben der Polizei nicht auf der Straße, sondern in einem
Sex-Club gefunden. Das Etablissement im Stadtteil Hamburg-Hamm ist der Exekutive
bisher nicht negativ aufgefallen.

If I am understanding this correctly, Horst went out with a smile.

It's the only way to go and as for booing him, well I could understand that. One of my friends interviewed him quite a few times. He had some interesting things to say about him, at times he liked him, at times he hated him, be your best friend and then not want to know.

One thing he will always have my respect for, when a prick like John McEnroe complains about someone's on court behaviour, that's a talent in itself.

Skoff won Athens, flew to Wimbledon and clowned around playing football with the tennis ball, he knew he had no chance, so he took the piss and McEnroe getting shitty, always good.

Chris Seahorse
06-10-2008, 06:56 PM
RIP. There aren't many (any?) rock star like personalities on the tour any more. He was a bit of a nutter but and got under a lot of peoples skin but he will be missed too.

Neely
06-10-2008, 07:18 PM
According to the result of the autopsy, his death is not related to external influence. Good to hear.

martine2
06-11-2008, 08:02 AM
According to the result of the autopsy, his death is not related to external influence. Good to hear.

Thank God indeed.

here is the link:

http://www.tennisfabrik.at/view.php?id=9960

Action Jackson
09-02-2008, 11:05 AM
Horsti vs Wilander in the famous Davis Cup match.

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Boris Franz Ecker
09-02-2008, 06:43 PM
Horsti vs Wilander in the famous Davis Cup match.


Wilander serve 'n volley player. Strange.