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Visible changes in Federer's game since Jose Higueras ?

Kuhne
06-07-2008, 05:23 AM
I am not very good at noticing things plus I don't allways pay much atention to these things so could you guys tell me in your opinion what have you seen Federer change as far as his tactics go, on clay, since he hired Higueras?

The only two things I've noticed is that he added a tricky forehand drop shot and he attacks the net a bit more. at least when he is in trouble. I am guessing Higueras told him, the moment he was hired, what every fan wanted federer to do, but other than that, what other changes have you seen?

I see Federer playing a bit better than last year, skillwise. all the matches he played in the RG, if you take away the retarded sets he just didn't show up to play, he won every match rather comfortably. I am not sure if this has anything to do with Higueras.

JimmyV
06-07-2008, 05:46 AM
To me he seems to be playing more aggressively overall and going for his shots more. The only super obvious changes I've been able to notice are the drop shot and more frequent net attacks like you said.

Dougie
06-07-2008, 08:28 AM
Judging by yesterdays performance, basic volleys are definitely not part of the training schedule.

Knightmace
06-07-2008, 09:02 AM
Do you think Jose Higueras is doing a good job?

Caerula Sanguis
06-07-2008, 09:05 AM
Do you think Jose Higueras is doing a good job?

Federer doesn't need any help to get to RG final. But then again, nobody can help him win it either.

fanfare
06-07-2008, 09:26 AM
Imo Federer plays more topspin from both sides, forehand and backhand as well. Plus, his backhand is much better than at the beginning of the season, but I'm not sure weather it's Higueras's case.

moon language
06-07-2008, 09:55 AM
His serving isn't as good, but he's using more dropshots.

stebs
06-07-2008, 11:09 AM
He's far better of his BH wing. More depth, more spin, more control. His FH has got its pop back although whether that's Higueras is doubtful. He is mixing things up more with drop shots and trying to be more creative on the court. His serve hasn't been working for the last few matches though.

scoobs
06-07-2008, 11:30 AM
It seems to me like he's trying to serve harder - his first serve has been consistently above 200kph for a lot of the clay court season.

He seems to be trying to hit the ball harder off the ground too - more power off the forehand, and trying to hit the topspin backhand harder too.

Also the increased use of the dropshot, especially the forehand dropshot, which is a shot Federer rarely if ever used until this season.

Julio
06-07-2008, 11:36 AM
He's far better of his BH wing. More depth, more spin, more control. His FH has got its pop back although whether that's Higueras is doubtful. He is mixing things up more with drop shots and trying to be more creative on the court. His serve hasn't been working for the last few matches though.

Stebs says it all. Nice obs, mate. :yeah:

groundstroke
06-07-2008, 11:43 AM
The dropshot. (especially on the forehand side)

RogerFan82
06-07-2008, 02:16 PM
It seems to me like he's trying to serve harder - his first serve has been consistently above 200kph for a lot of the clay court season.

He seems to be trying to hit the ball harder off the ground too - more power off the forehand, and trying to hit the topspin backhand harder too.

Also the increased use of the dropshot, especially the forehand dropshot, which is a shot Federer rarely if ever used until this season.

:yeah::yeah:

Fedex
06-07-2008, 05:50 PM
He's definitely coming the net more often. That's the only major strategic difference I see.

His backhand has more depth and is far more consistent than its been in the past. But his serve has struggled a bit and that's something he's going to DESPERATELY need in the finals tomorrow.

alfonsojose
06-07-2008, 06:14 PM
He enjoys slower fucks from Nadal. Tries to be top first, but ends bending over gently in critic moments

Bilbo
06-07-2008, 08:23 PM
he's giving his opponents more bps and is getting broken more often. worst french open performance of the last 2 years.

Kuhne
06-07-2008, 08:57 PM
While he has looked patchy in this french open, for some reason this is the first FO i've seen Federer in which I never felt he could lose until the final, for some reason last year's semis and the year before that were tense, this one VS Monfils while it still was a good match, I never really felt federer was in trouble.

Now sunday, thats another thing altogether

babyfederer
06-07-2008, 09:04 PM
Federer needs to stop playing around .. The volleys were not good agains Monfils. Its as if he was thinking too much. and some approach shots that he takes were horrible giving Monfils alot of time to get a good shot back. That will not work against Nadal. He needs to go for the lines everytime he gets a short ball or Nadal will take him apart from the baseline.. I am going for Federer i would love to see history but Nadal is going to need to have an off off day and federer is going to have to have a great one

ranaldo
06-07-2008, 10:24 PM
Everyone failed to mention the most obvious change: he is (finally) not slicing every return mid-court, which is a good thing on clay.
About Fed's bad approach shot, it's a matter of self doubt mixed with shaky footwork. Fed used to be a bit more 'athletic', more fluid of the ground than now. His running forehand is what worries me. These days if you hit hard on his forehand, he cracks under pressure.

IAMlegend
06-08-2008, 12:26 PM
He's coming to the net a little bit more, something he's loathed to do.

Forehander
06-08-2008, 01:51 PM
His game is so much more aggressive and smarter this year it's lovely to see. When he's on the attack no one can stop him it's that simple. It's pretty much the greatest sword vs the greatest shield. We all saw it when he played Nadal the last two time where he was leading by alot. But the choking is a huge issue, he really needs to solve that on the court.

Forehander
06-08-2008, 01:53 PM
He's coming to the net a little bit more, something he's loathed to do.

Federer use to be a serve and volley player

Forehander
06-08-2008, 01:58 PM
Everyone failed to mention the most obvious change: he is (finally) not slicing every return mid-court, which is a good thing on clay.
About Fed's bad approach shot, it's a matter of self doubt mixed with shaky footwork. Fed used to be a bit more 'athletic', more fluid of the ground than now. His running forehand is what worries me. These days if you hit hard on his forehand, he cracks under pressure.

It is sad to see Federer's footwork obviously starting to wear down. He use to be much more fluid and faster than he is now. Despite his high level of aggressive play, I must admit his defense on the forehand side has only been sub-par. However though it does not mean he is not playing the highest level of tennis. So lets hope he can win this time in French Open :)

rogeragassi
06-08-2008, 03:40 PM
Fed has obviously come a long way on clay under your tutelage.

Benny_Maths
06-08-2008, 03:41 PM
Bitter much? :D

Sunset of Age
06-08-2008, 03:41 PM
What a nonsense.

Snowwy
06-08-2008, 03:43 PM
You do realise the match isnt over right?

navy75
06-08-2008, 03:48 PM
You do realise the match isnt over right?

Yes it is...

G4.
06-08-2008, 03:49 PM
thought it was over a hour ago

scoobs
06-08-2008, 03:49 PM
It was over before it started.

Good old blame the coach syndrome.

martinatreue
06-08-2008, 03:52 PM
It has nothing to do with Higueras. Roger has improved but NADAL just does not play in a way to allow ANYONE to play his game. Nadal is superhuman on clay.

Chip_s_m
06-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Nadal served up a bagel in this last set. Except for about 3 games in the second set this has been incredibly one-sided.

Burrow
06-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Toughest match for Nadal this year was Bellucci funily enough.

jasmin
06-08-2008, 04:00 PM
Well he was brought in mainly for the clay season. There's nothing anyone can do to stop Nadal. Fed did better against Nadal on his own but he still needs a coach so...

navy75
06-08-2008, 04:01 PM
Toughest match for Nadal this year was Bellucci funily enough.

If you follow the challengers, you're well aware that Bellucci is no joke. I thought he had a very good chance to go far, and absolutely hated it when I saw he drew Nadal in the first round. They had some really impressive rallies.

If Bellucci is put on any other side of the draw, I think he would have been a very good candidate to have reached the quarters or possibly even semis...

leng jai
06-08-2008, 04:42 PM
The net approaches were reminiscent of Roddick coming in against Federer/Haas and basically losing every point with ease. Federer left his slice in the locker room.

marcRD
06-08-2008, 05:23 PM
The net approaches were reminiscent of Roddick coming in against Federer/Haas and basically losing every point with ease. Federer left his slice in the locker room.

When he used the slice it didnt work, but so didnt use it alot but neither did the topspin backhand so I dont think there was not that much to be done for Federer. That strategy of going to the net didnt work, because this is clay against the guy with greatest passing shots of all time. Serve and volley didnt work because Nadal was returning so good and not even Federers forehand could penetrate the Nadal defense because he covered the whole court.

*Viva Chile*
06-08-2008, 05:29 PM
dropshots?? :shrug:

ys
06-08-2008, 05:35 PM
Higueras didn't help Sampras to win RG, he did help him to lose Wimbledon to a player very few people heard of before or after.. Nice to see Fed stepping on the same rakes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SoilRake.jpg

marcRD
06-08-2008, 05:39 PM
Roger needs a real coach NOW! He better not be stubborn about this, directly after wimbledon he needs to take some time to think about who will be his coach.

alfonsojose
06-08-2008, 08:23 PM
He enjoys slower fucks from Nadal. Tries to be top first, but ends bending over gently in critic moments
This final was a quickie :haha: :haha:

Bernard Black
06-08-2008, 08:49 PM
When he used the slice it didnt work, but so didnt use it alot but neither did the topspin backhand so I dont think there was not that much to be done for Federer. That strategy of going to the net didnt work, because this is clay against the guy with greatest passing shots of all time. Serve and volley didnt work because Nadal was returning so good and not even Federers forehand could penetrate the Nadal defense because he covered the whole court.

Federer definitely should have used the slice more often. When he did, he at least forced Nadal to have to win the point rather than dumping the backhand drive into the net. Every time Federer used the slice, or an approach of any kind, he went to Nadal's backhand which was just on fire today. I was amazed he didn't play the low, knifed, crosscourt slice more often to Nadal's forehand to prevent him getting the usual metronimic rhythm on that wing.

Wilander made an interesting observation about Federer's groundstrokes in general, that perhaps, due to the number of times he clipped the tape, he was hitting his shots too flat - very surprising on a clay court when you can afford to have more margin for error. I imagine this was part of Federer's gameplan to quicken the points perhaps, and hit more winners, but it really didn't work out that way! Too many unforced errors, and Nadal ran down most shots even when he hit them well.

Sadly, we saw an almost exact repeat of last year's final except Federer didn't find any period of inspiration at all this time around.