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Rafa - no.1 at the end of 2008

fsoica
06-06-2008, 10:18 PM
If he wins RG, and this is 90% sure, he'll have 710 in the ATP Race.
Federer 500 and Nole 611.

I think Rafa will have a good HC north american 2008 season and will be the new no.1

He fully deserves it, and, if he'll win RG again, I'm sure Roger would agree.

Okonsky
06-06-2008, 10:27 PM
It would be nice but I doubt that. According to his form in past 2-3 years, his form starting to drops down in middsummer.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-06-2008, 10:48 PM
i hope so

gusman890
06-06-2008, 10:49 PM
We are talking about the race here.

Ranking is what matters.

Clara Bow
06-06-2008, 10:51 PM
Sorry, don't see it happening as much as I would love for it to happen. Rafa has faded quite a bit after Wimbledon the past two years, and I did not see much this year during the hard court season to think he will do excellent at USO or get big titles on hard like he did in 2005. I think Nole and Feds are very, very strong on hard and I can't see either of them fading during the summer/fall hard court swing.

And that goes for race and ranking.

Andre♥
06-06-2008, 10:55 PM
He always has such advantage after RG.

Then, after Wimbledon he simply disappears.

Duncan
06-06-2008, 10:56 PM
Don't see it happening to be honest.

Rogiman
06-06-2008, 11:14 PM
Same shit every year: he rocks he clay season and everyone forgets it's hardly mid-season.

Truth is Novak and Federer are superior to him on surfaces other than clay, and I give Novak the best chance to come out on top when the season ends.

ReturnWinner
06-06-2008, 11:17 PM
both Federer and Fakervic have a better chance than Nadal.

TankingTheSet
06-06-2008, 11:21 PM
He'll have a tough enough job defending his Wimbledon points (or in case of the Race, keeping track with Fed and Nole on grass).

shotgun
06-06-2008, 11:31 PM
Bandwagon thread.

Petrovic
06-06-2008, 11:33 PM
Nadal realy have a heart and fights like a man !
But, after Wimbledon it's gonna be all Joker !
Montreal, Cincinnati, US open, Madrid, Shanghai etc...
Joker will be number one beofore the end of the year !

Albop
06-06-2008, 11:33 PM
Nadal realy have a heart and fights like a man !
But, after Wimbledon it's gonna be all Joker !
Montreal, Cincinnati, US open, Madrid, Shanghai etc...
Joker will be number one beofore the end of the year !

n1 my ass

hra87
06-06-2008, 11:33 PM
Not this again...

GlennMirnyi
06-06-2008, 11:45 PM
Clown Death/R=FK/mediter have a new alias.

Black Raven
06-06-2008, 11:46 PM
n1 my ass

She/he is a serbtard. Then everything that she/he could say about a serb guy is plainly irrelevant :shrug:

Petrovic
06-07-2008, 12:00 AM
I am not here to argue !
But i know Joker trashed Rafa in IW .
And Federer is not getting any younger !

All respect to them but Joker will rule from now on !

Black Raven
06-07-2008, 12:25 AM
I am not here to argue !
But i know Joker trashed Rafa in IW .
And Federer is not getting any younger !

All respect to them but Joker will rule from now on !

This is a possible thing. But you say that mostly because you're a nationalist serb.

So i think it's a really biased point :wavey:

Oh and by the way, it wasn't supposed to be offending.

Sunset of Age
06-07-2008, 12:29 AM
Not this again...

Fully agree. Even more expectable than Christmas being celebrated on the 25th of December... :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-07-2008, 12:46 AM
even if nadal is not no1 he is the hottest one :cool:

Rogiman
06-07-2008, 12:55 AM
Post another one. This is too important to go unnoticed.

GlennMirnyi
06-07-2008, 12:57 AM
One more! One more! One more! :)

Sunset of Age
06-07-2008, 12:58 AM
even if nadal is not no1 he is the hottest one :cool:

Shut up.

JediFed
06-07-2008, 12:58 AM
Rafa has to win on Sunday, and reach at least the QF to keep his lead after Wimbly, assuming that Roger wins.

He will have a 100 point lead on Roger if he defends his points. Djokovic will be third in the race by 50 points after Wimbly assuming he makes it to the SF.

So, in order for Roger not to finish the year as number one.

1. Djokovic must gain 50 points on Roger in the hardcourt season.
2. Nadal must keep his 100 point lead on the HC.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-07-2008, 12:59 AM
i didn't mean to post it twice ...

Rogiman
06-07-2008, 01:00 AM
I believe there's not a whole lot of meaning behind your actions anyway

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-07-2008, 01:00 AM
Shut up.

why

Rogieva
06-07-2008, 01:02 AM
why

oh my you infect MTF aswell :sobbing:

GlennMirnyi
06-07-2008, 01:06 AM
I believe there's not a whole lot of meaning behind your actions anyway

Or thought as we're at it.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-07-2008, 01:10 AM
oh my you infect MTF aswell :sobbing:

who are you there ?

RonE
06-07-2008, 01:19 AM
even if nadal is not no1 he is the hottest one :cool:

Marry me :hearts:

Fumus
06-07-2008, 01:22 AM
He can't take the grind. He plays too hard to survive it past July playing his style of tennis. IMO Djoko has a much better chance to finish number 1 this year..

CyBorg
06-07-2008, 01:30 AM
Bandwagon thread.

By the clock.

Rogieva
06-07-2008, 01:37 AM
who are you there ?

Your best friend :hearts:

zicofirol
06-07-2008, 01:39 AM
Clown Death/R=FK/mediter have a new alias.

lol and +1

Clay Death
06-07-2008, 02:31 AM
Clown Death/R=FK/mediter have a new alias.


mods pay attention. these type of personal attacks are not necessary. it shows nothing but great immaturity and little or no knowledge of the game if this is the extent of their contributions.

dam0dred
06-07-2008, 02:58 AM
Never happen. Once hard court season begins he'll be getting blown off the court on a regular basis again.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-07-2008, 03:17 AM
Your best friend :hearts:

í don't know you really what's your username on tennisforum (wtaworld)

wilmar
06-07-2008, 03:49 AM
it'd be great if Nadal can finally be the next #1. but I think it'd be more realistic to resume this topic after Wimbledon. No worries about the FO title, but his #1 chances I think will only be boosted if he can maintain his Wimbly run, which I think will largely be determined by his luck of the draw.
however, it seems to me that this clay season is not as gruelling as last year for Nadal...so maybe to his advantage he may have more reserves in the tank for the rest of the season?

Clay Death
06-07-2008, 04:12 AM
it'd be great if Nadal can finally be the next #1. but I think it'd be more realistic to resume this topic after Wimbledon. No worries about the FO title, but his #1 chances I think will only be boosted if he can maintain his Wimbly run, which I think will largely be determined by his luck of the draw.
however, it seems to me that this clay season is not as gruelling as last year for Nadal...so maybe to his advantage he may have more reserves in the tank for the rest of the season?


spot on. he will go to Stuttgart (clay) to defend his title there after Wimby. then it is all hard courts--both outdoor and indoor.

North American hard court season and the indoor season will determine how it will all play out.

my guess is that Nadal will lose his #2 spot for a while and then gain it back at some point. he could possibly be #1 at the end of next year.

morningglory
06-07-2008, 04:16 AM
nope off clay he hasnt done anything this year
After RG he wont be gaining that many points

RagingLamb
06-07-2008, 04:25 AM
this is not the first time people have made a prediction like this around the time of the FO.

Nadal's been no 2 for a long time, and not too long ago, the major topic was about him slipping to 3rd.

I hope he does get the no. 1 some day, but I'll believe it when I see it.

JimmyV
06-07-2008, 04:27 AM
nope off clay he hasnt done anything this year
After RG he wont be gaining that many points

Ugh, he made the semi's at the Australian Open and Indian Wells, and the finals at Miami. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to win the U.S. Open or anything, but those results are a tiny bit better than nothing.

Sunset of Age
06-07-2008, 04:29 AM
Ugh, he made the semi's at the Australian Open and Indian Wells, and the finals at Miami. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to win the U.S. Open or anything, but those results are a tiny bit better than nothing.

Indeed. I always wonder why so many people claim he's not a good all court-player. Many a so-called hard court-specialists would give their left/right arm/leg to have the results Rafa has had the past couple of years. :shrug:

Kuhne
06-07-2008, 05:03 AM
Rafa will win the french open thats almost a guarantee with the way Roger's been playing but after RG rafa wont win another title till clay season starts next year, thats just the way it is.

dsingh7
06-07-2008, 05:10 AM
I would like to see him being # 1...however Fed and Nole are much better player in hardcourt...and they would be going for Rafa blood when they meet him in hardcourt...Nadal once again will disappear after july ..

JimmyV
06-07-2008, 05:22 AM
Rafa will win the french open thats almost a guarantee with the way Roger's been playing but after RG rafa wont win another title till clay season starts next year, thats just the way it is.

You forgot about Stuttgart lol.

HarryMan
06-07-2008, 05:22 AM
:haha::haha::haha:

He wont even retain his number two ranking let alone be the number one player.

rafa_maniac
06-07-2008, 07:32 AM
First things first is to see whether Nadal can once again carry the confidence and form from Clay into the Grass season. Then the question is if he can find it in himself to deliver great results on American hard courts. It's not totally out of the realms of possibility that he could WIN Wimbledon this year, as such he would have a tasty race lead and solid results could be enough for the rest of the year to see him over the line at the end of the year. I also think his exploits post-Wimbledon are seriously underestimated by most. He hardly "dissapears". Last year he made the final of AMS Paris, and semis at the Masters Cup and AMS Montreal. He's proven many a time that if a draw opens up for him he can make regular deep runs on hardcourts, in fact he has won more hard court matches this year than any other player, hardly the sign of a "mug" on that surface. That all said, I'm personally expecting Federer to retain his #1 ranking by a bare margin by year's end.

FedFan_2007
06-07-2008, 07:37 AM
So what's the race standings if Feddy wins?

maconick
06-07-2008, 07:46 AM
he needs to win Wimbledon because that will shoot his confidence up

FedFan_2007
06-07-2008, 07:49 AM
First things first is to see whether Nadal can once again carry the confidence and form from Clay into the Grass season. Then the question is if he can find it in himself to deliver great results on American hard courts. It's not totally out of the realms of possibility that he could WIN Wimbledon this year, as such he would have a tasty race lead and solid results could be enough for the rest of the year to see him over the line at the end of the year. I also think his exploits post-Wimbledon are seriously underestimated by most. He hardly "dissapears". Last year he made the final of AMS Paris, and semis at the Masters Cup and AMS Montreal. He's proven many a time that if a draw opens up for him he can make regular deep runs on hardcourts, in fact he has won more hard court matches this year than any other player, hardly the sign of a "mug" on that surface. That all said, I'm personally expecting Federer to retain his #1 ranking by a bare margin by year's end.

Roger will do it only if he wins Wimbly. For the points and the confidence the rest of the season. Basically #1 will be up for grabs at Wimbly this year unlike ever before.

rafa_maniac
06-07-2008, 07:54 AM
Roger will do it only if he wins Wimbly. For the points and the confidence the rest of the season. Basically #1 will be up for grabs at Wimbly this year unlike ever before.

I agree, in fact I'd go as far as saying right now that whoever wins Wimbly this year will end the year ranked #1 (unless of course it's not one of the top 3...). Federer will [likely] go in without an important title victory in 7 months, it's do or die.

Knightmace
06-07-2008, 07:57 AM
Hope this doesn't happen tbh.

Forehander
06-07-2008, 08:10 AM
Honestly I don't see it happening. Djokovic at the moment is just incredible on HC. His confidence is still sky high and pays no respect to no one. During Indian Wells, Djokovic was treating Nadal like some random highschool kid. The gap between Djokovic and Nadal on HC is HUGE now. Federer also is no sitting duck, he won't back down so easily.

I also wonder how Nadal will do in Wimbledon this year. People seem to be forgetting the fact that it was actually last year Wimbledon where Nadal acquired his chronic knee problem.

Mateya
06-07-2008, 08:20 AM
:retard:

If he remains his No.2 ranking he should be very happy.

gulzhan
06-07-2008, 08:28 AM
Nadal needs to win Wimbledon then

Doing better in Shanghai is also something he still needs to work on

So, no, it's unlikely Nadal will become No. 1 by the end of the year, I am afraid he'll never be :sad: if Djoki continues progressing

trixtah
06-07-2008, 09:12 AM
We are talking about the race here.

Ranking is what matters.

...? Well we are about mid season, though I agree that it is too early to make any assumptions

Tom Paulman
06-07-2008, 11:28 AM
I would be surprised if he repeats that Wimbledon final fluke for the 3rd time in a row.

But we'll see...

Okonsky
06-07-2008, 11:32 AM
One way or another I'm sure Fed will be No. 1 at the end of year.

sennoc
06-07-2008, 11:36 AM
He fully deserves it.

I'm also impressed by his elegant technique and impressive net play...

stebs
06-07-2008, 12:40 PM
We are talking about the race here.

Ranking is what matters.

For the year end #1 the race is very relevant.

DhammaTiger
06-07-2008, 12:57 PM
Regardless of what the Atp ranking says, Rafa has always been number one for me and will always be. Vamos Rafa!

Beat
06-07-2008, 03:19 PM
I think Rafa will have a good HC north american 2008 season
why do you think that?

fsoica
06-07-2008, 03:25 PM
why do you think that?
because of how little he has to defend:
Toronto SF
Cincy 2nd rd
USOpen 4th round

star
06-07-2008, 03:32 PM
If he wins RG, and this is 90% sure, he'll have 710 in the ATP Race.
Federer 500 and Nole 611.

I think Rafa will have a good HC north american 2008 season and will be the new no.1

He fully deserves it, and, if he'll win RG again, I'm sure Roger would agree.

I don't think this will happen.

And, whoever has the no. 1 ranking deserves the ranking, so, of course, Roger would agree, but even if he irrationally didn't, who cares?

Sunset of Age
06-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Typical Clay Season Troll thread.

jcempire
06-07-2008, 04:52 PM
I don't think this will happen.

And, whoever has the no. 1 ranking deserves the ranking, so, of course, Roger would agree, but even if he irrationally didn't, who cares?

Well, If Nadal wins tommorrow, He got Points. Look forward, He has chance to climb No 1 Ranking after USOPEN. But He needs to depend Final of WIM before US OPEN Series

Mechlan
06-07-2008, 05:15 PM
Would be great for him, but he'll have to do considerably better in the hard court season that the last couple of years.

I think the player best positioned to take over #1 based on points already accumulated and upcoming tournaments is Djokovic. If he wins the US Open, he'll be in great shape to do it.

jcempire
06-07-2008, 05:27 PM
I don't think this will happen.

And, whoever has the no. 1 ranking deserves the ranking, so, of course, Roger would agree, but even if he irrationally didn't, who cares?

Would be great for him, but he'll have to do considerably better in the hard court season that the last couple of years.

I think the player best positioned to take over #1 based on points already accumulated and upcoming tournaments is Djokovic. If he wins the US Open, he'll be in great shape to do it.

Not Djok, He got to win USOPEN.

But Nadal, He just need to improve to Semi or better in USOPEN

JediFed
06-07-2008, 05:46 PM
because of how little he has to defend:
Toronto SF
Cincy 2nd rd
USOpen 4th round


So?

Points defending is irrelevant to the year end number 1 title. Federer has 0 points to defend in all three of these wrt to the race.

Points defending only comes into play when considering the ranking.

The problem with Nadal winning on HC is that even if he makes the USO semis, he could lose all those points if he fails to make the Wimbly finals.

Even tomorrow his number 2 ranking is at stake again. If he loses to Federer again, he will become the number 3 at Wimbly, and could get Fed in the SF.

amirbachar
06-07-2008, 05:48 PM
It is possible this year more than last year, since the points will be split between Roger and Novak.
But to do that, Nadal must withraw from Stuttgart, otherwise he will be very tired in the last part of the the year.
If he does that, it might happen.

FedFan_2007
06-07-2008, 05:49 PM
Rafa is #1 in the ATP Race, no? That's all the counts, no? ATP Rankings are for Fedtards, no?

dmit424
06-07-2008, 06:28 PM
Not Djok, He got to win USOPEN.

But Nadal, He just need to improve to Semi or better in USOPEN

I have to say I don't necessarily like the chances of this. Just watching yesterday's match, Nadal is, when in shape, unbeatable on clay. Especially 5 sets. The only way Djokovic was able to stay with him in the 3rd was by playing ridiculously well and really hitting through the court a bit for some big winners/forced errors. But he still lost the set, and all those great shots still sit up, and basically Rafa just gets to everything, doesn't miss often, and finds ridiculous angles. Rafa's movement, imo, is and always will be his most important aspect on the clay. How can one beat him when he can get to the best-struck of shots, when, with his topspin, he makes it difficult to attack in the first place and when, at first sign of opportunity, he can crack winners from either side, from anywhere on the court? He can't be beat on clay.

But, on hardcourts, he can. It's Surfaces 101. As we have seen at his previous U.S. Opens, he is crazy fast, but when he allows big hitters to dictate points, he loses. He still runs down a lot of balls, but unlike on clay, his opponent maybe hits 2-3 extra shots, but still gets the winner, instead of seeing a Rafa passing shot after a 20-shot rally.

Rafa simply needs to keep improving his serve and attack game. Rafa certainly knows how to attack, but his mindset is still slightly defensive. That simply needs to change. On hardcourts, having defense as a mindset will leave one at the mercy of the attacker the entire match. U.S. Open champions have almost always been attack-minded, and even Hewitt isn't purely a defensive player because in his prime (when he won the U.S. Open), he was king at using his opponent's pace to attack.

jcadam2003
06-07-2008, 06:57 PM
even though he did not win any hard court titles this year, I think that he made a lot of improvements to his hard court game in Indian Wells and Miami and had some big wins - Blake twice, Berdych, and Tsonga. This will give him confidence for the US hard court season. His game on clay at the moment is better than it has been the past few years so there is no reason to think that he can't make the same improvements on other surfaces. His serve, forehand and backhand slice have all improved. I think that we will see an improvement on grass and hardcourts from Nadal in the next few months.

JediFed
06-07-2008, 07:26 PM
It is possible this year more than last year, since the points will be split between Roger and Novak.


The problem is twofold. If Federer wins in Halle and Wimbledon, even assuming he loses tomorrow, he will only be 100 points behind Nadal, assuming Nadal makes the finals there in wimbledon.

Secondly, if Nadal fails to reach the quarterfinals in Wimbledon, then he will fall behind in the race to Federer even BEFORE the hardcourt season begins.

It all depends on Wimbledon. He has to reach the finals in order to have a chance at catching Roger by the end of the year.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-07-2008, 07:32 PM
Nadal will take the world number after the US Open. He only got to the Round of 16 last year due to knee problems. I expect him to gain a lot of points there and take the number 1 spot. :)

tennizen
06-07-2008, 07:35 PM
^^ What if Nadal loses tomorrow in the final.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-07-2008, 10:13 PM
^^ What if Nadal loses tomorrow in the final.
Not going to happen. I'm even thinking it will be in straight sets. Nadal is playing the best tennis of his career right now.

Okonsky
06-07-2008, 10:36 PM
Nadal is playing the best tennis of his career right now.

I think so too whatever happens tomorrow. Never better, stronger, 'minder' (on clay).

Mansave_75
06-07-2008, 11:28 PM
Nadal may has a chance because actually he's right now aproaching to his career peak.

Merton
06-07-2008, 11:53 PM
Classic bandwagon thread, some of us have not forgotten that Nadal was destined to retire at the end of this year. Of course that was said around the time of IW, perspectives here depend just on recent success or failure.

JediFed
06-08-2008, 12:12 AM
If Rafa loses tomorrow, he falls to number 3 immediately, and Federer clinches number one through to the USO, and likely the Year end championship as well.

Federer already leads Nadal by 1300 points. A win here is a thousand point swing giving him 2300 point lead.

Getta
06-08-2008, 12:14 AM
Classic bandwagon thread, some of us have not forgotten that Nadal was destined to retire at the end of this year. Of course that was said around the time of IW, perspectives here depend just on recent success or failure.

Rafa will be ranked no.1 when he makes his surprise decision to retire at the end of this year.

Rogiman
06-08-2008, 12:20 AM
LMAO at all the retards talking about points to defend when the thread title specifically reads 'at the end of 2008'.

Okonsky
06-08-2008, 12:23 AM
If Rafa loses tomorrow, he falls to number 3 immediately...

No, he would be ahead of Novak 60 points.

Sunset of Age
06-08-2008, 12:28 AM
Not going to happen. I'm even thinking it will be in straight sets. Nadal is playing the best tennis of his career right now.

Tomorrow? Yes indeed. It'll be a miracle if Fed can even steal a set from him, the way he's playing right now.

People should not forget it's Clay Season now - we'll still have to see how well he'll do on grass (very well, I expect), and on HC especially. Whatever, he has indeed managed to raise his game level on all accounts.

leng jai
06-08-2008, 12:40 AM
Fedmug should bring a tub of l_mac's Fakervic margarine, he will be needing some quality flavouring for his bagel feast today.

tnosugar
06-08-2008, 01:33 AM
Federer - 12, 14 AMS
Rafa - 3, 11 AMS
Novak - 1 GS, 4 AMS

Added value for Golden Slam. Rankings are for bureaucrats.
If Novak manages to pip Rafa in these rankings, then he's No 2 in my book. He won't be number 1. Federer has a little more to accomplish to be the undisputed, all-time GOAT. I wish him luck, he has deserved it.

Corey Feldman
06-08-2008, 01:36 AM
Nothing like the MTF kiss of death

tnosugar
06-08-2008, 01:47 AM
LMAO at all the retards talking about points to defend when the thread title specifically reads 'at the end of 2008'.

It could still be in Ranking and not Race points at the end of 2008. The thread title could have been more specific. Not that I put too much value on both. It's nice to be No 1, but its the titles that count in the end.

It would be nice if the ATP devised a ranking table summing up all the points a player had won in his career (according to present Ranking points). A cumulative table. It would be interesting to see the order of all the players in the history of ATP then. It's quite doable actually, the records are all there.

gebl
08-05-2008, 09:19 PM
Same shit every year: Truth is Novak and Federer are superior to him on surfaces other than clay

:haha::haha:

both Federer and Fakervic have a better chance than Nadal.

:haha::haha:

He'll have a tough enough job defending his Wimbledon points (or in case of the Race, keeping track with Fed and Nole on grass).

:haha::haha:

after Wimbledon it's gonna be all Joker !
Montreal, Cincinnati, etc...

:haha::haha:

after RG rafa wont win another title till clay season starts next year, thats just the way it is.

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

He wont even retain his number two ranking let alone be the number one player.

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

The gap between Djokovic and Nadal on HC is HUGE now. Federer also is no sitting duck, he won't back down so easily.

:haha::haha:

[QUOTE=Tom Paulman;7158563]I would be surprised if he repeats that Wimbledon final fluke for the 3rd time in a row. /QUOTE]

:haha::haha:

maconick
08-05-2008, 09:32 PM
lmao!

BUMP OF THE YEAR!

Black Adam
08-05-2008, 09:36 PM
Oh dear God, what a bump. That's so funny considering that he could easily clinch year end number 1 by the time Madrid TMS rolls along.

Foxy
08-05-2008, 09:58 PM
Oh, yeah. What a bump, really. LMAO! :haha::haha:

jenanun
08-05-2008, 11:33 PM
great job gebl! Well done! :yeah:

sawan66278
08-06-2008, 01:58 AM
Excellent bump...perhaps the best of all time:D:D:D

octatennis
08-06-2008, 02:23 AM
AMAZING!! after all the crap of previous posts...

FairWeatherFan
08-06-2008, 02:34 AM
Though of course many were wrong in this thread, it was hard to predict Federer to decline so much given his domination over the last four years. Nadal ascending to no 1 is arguably more due to Federer's level of play dropping than Nadal's rising.

lina_seta
08-06-2008, 02:35 AM
:haha::haha:


:haha::haha:


:rolleyes:

how classless.... nadal deserves MUCH better fans... (READ MY SIG) i cant imagine nadal acting like some of his haughty fans... those who live victory through nadal.

octatennis
08-06-2008, 03:24 AM
Though of course many were wrong in this thread, it was hard to predict Federer to decline so much given his domination over the last four years. Nadal ascending to no 1 is arguably more due to Federer's level of play dropping than Nadal's rising.



it is always that way, hewitt dropped his level ferrero took it(or roddick, guga). :cool:

Ackms421
08-06-2008, 03:33 AM
Nah. It's not more due to Fed's drop than Rafa's rise in form, more a combo of the two. Though, if you'll look at the race points, Rafa is 2000 points ahead of Fed *already* this year, so Fed could still have won the Aussie and Rafa would be near the #1. Rafa's playing the tennis of his life and the 32 match win-streak has nothing to do with Fed's drop. Fed was playing fine at Wimbledon (had not lost a set and had only dropped serve twice!), and Rafa went through him there, so #1 in in his hands...

Clay Death
08-06-2008, 03:38 AM
it is always that way, hewitt dropped his level ferrero took it(or roddick, guga). :cool:

negative. Clay Monster was instrumental in bringing about that "decline".

just as johhny mac claims that he sent Borg into retirement and so it is with Nadal. he has single-handedly owned and then removed Fed from his throne.

Fed couldnt deal with the pressure of somebody standing up to him all the time and having such monster testicular fortitude. he kept waiting for the Clay Monster to go away or get injured.

Metis
08-06-2008, 03:45 AM
negative. Clay Monster was instrumental in bringing about that "decline".

just as johhny mac claims that he sent Borg into retirement and so it is with Nadal. he has single-handedly owned and then removed Fed from his throne.

Fed couldnt deal with the pressure of somebody standing up to him all the time and having such monster testicular fortitude. he kept waiting for the Clay Monster to go away or get injured.


Shouldn't that be 'double-handedly'? ;)

Bazooka
08-06-2008, 10:31 AM
Though of course many were wrong in this thread, it was hard to predict Federer to decline so much given his domination over the last four years. Nadal ascending to no 1 is arguably more due to Federer's level of play dropping than Nadal's rising.

Yes, Roger's level has dropped so much that he didn't lose a set in 11 grass matches this year(Halle + Wimbledon to semi), and had three or four service games broken. What a grass mug he is, isn't he?

And Nadal hasn't improved, it's all Federer decline in game the reason why he has won Queens and also it's Federer's fault the fact that he reached the Wimbledon final with comfort, compared to other years.

Don't let facts alter your judgement, pal, you know the one and only truth.

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 11:11 AM
Yes, Roger's level has dropped so much that he didn't lose a set in 11 grass matches this year(Halle + Wimbledon to semi), and had three or four service games broken. What a grass mug he is, isn't he?

And Nadal hasn't improved, it's all Federer decline in game the reason why he has won Queens and also it's Federer's fault the fact that he reached the Wimbledon final with comfort, compared to other years.

Don't let facts alter your judgement, pal, you know the one and only truth.
You have reflected with one post the essence of what Nadal's haters wishful thinking is all about.

DhammaTiger
08-06-2008, 11:15 AM
Yes, Roger's level has dropped so much that he didn't lose a set in 11 grass matches this year(Halle + Wimbledon to semi), and had three or four service games broken. What a grass mug he is, isn't he?

And Nadal hasn't improved, it's all Federer decline in game the reason why he has won Queens and also it's Federer's fault the fact that he reached the Wimbledon final with comfort, compared to other years.

Don't let facts alter your judgement, pal, you know the one and only truth.

Awesome post :yeah:

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 11:52 AM
It would as well be interesting to bump the numerous threads of 2005/2006/2007 just after the clay season, when the Rafatards were already claiming he'd win everything in sight :o :angel:

FairWeatherFan
08-06-2008, 11:55 AM
Yes, Roger's level has dropped so much that he didn't lose a set in 11 grass matches this year(Halle + Wimbledon to semi), and had three or four service games broken. What a grass mug he is, isn't he?

And Nadal hasn't improved, it's all Federer decline in game the reason why he has won Queens and also it's Federer's fault the fact that he reached the Wimbledon final with comfort, compared to other years.

Don't let facts alter your judgement, pal, you know the one and only truth.

Yes, we know Federer's level has not decreased at all compared to the previous four years. That's why he has one minor title this year, compared to the two masters series, two grand slams and one other title at this time last year. That's why he has only made six finals this year when 2004 - 2007 he made at least 11 finals every year.
That's why he's lost to Stepanek, Roddick, Simon, Fish and Karlovic this year, players he has not lost to at all before over the past four years and against whom apart from Simon he has had very impressive head-to-heads.
That's why Federer has already lost 11 matches this year when over 2004 - 2007 he only lost a total of 24.
That's why his winning % this year is even lower than it was in 2003.

Way to seize on Federer's grasscourt results and claim they represent his form whilst ignoring virtually everything else about his results in 2008. How self-deluded can Nadal fans get? :o

Chloe le Bopper
08-06-2008, 12:09 PM
:rolleyes:

how classless.... nadal deserves MUCH better fans... (READ MY SIG) i cant imagine nadal acting like some of his haughty fans... those who live victory through nadal.

Pots and kettles.

It might be time to ignore you.

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 12:26 PM
Yes, we know Federer's level has not decreased at all compared to the previous four years. That's why he has one minor title this year, compared to the two masters series, two grand slams and one other title at this time last year. That's why he has only made six finals this year when 2004 - 2007 he made at least 11 finals every year.
That's why he's lost to Stepanek, Roddick, Simon, Fish and Karlovic this year, players he has not lost to at all before over the past four years and against whom apart from Simon he has had very impressive head-to-heads.
That's why Federer has already lost 11 matches this year when over 2004 - 2007 he only lost a total of 24.
That's why his winning % this year is even lower than it was in 2003.

Way to seize on Federer's grasscourt results and claim they represent his form whilst ignoring virtually everything else about his results in 2008. How self-deluded can Nadal fans get? :o

Explain to me Federer's performance at Wimbledon and Halle this year. How many sets did he lose before the final? How many times did his opponents break his service? Now compare that data with his previous imperious years. Not much of a decline, was it? In fact it was the opposite. Now... I have forgotten what Nadal result in last year's Wimbledon final against Federer was. Did the great Federer demolish him? Being at it, could you remind me of Nadal last year's results at Wimbledon? Weren't they significantly better this year? (perhaps Youzhny could say something about it). Maybe his demolition of all his rivals at RG, his victory on the fastest grass surface, Queens, or his win in Toronto and reaching the semifinal in Cincinnati has to do with the fact that Nadal is now a better player and if he was so close to Federer last year....

A_Skywalker
08-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Federer lost some form, but he was playing his best at the slams ( well, except RG :D)
The only reason he lost is because he played better (now) players than him in Australian open and Wimbledon.

Bazooka
08-06-2008, 12:45 PM
Yes, we know Federer's level has not decreased at all compared to the previous four years. That's why he has one minor title this year, compared to the two masters series, two grand slams and one other title at this time last year. That's why he has only made six finals this year when 2004 - 2007 he made at least 11 finals every year.

You're doing it on purpose, aren't you? Too many mistakes in just one paragraph.

Federer has two titles this year, not one.

He has made six finals so far, past year he had made six finals up to this day (August 6th)

That's why he's lost to Stepanek, Roddick, Simon, Fish and Karlovic this year, players he has not lost to at all before over the past four years and against whom apart from Simon he has had very impressive head-to-heads.

Cañas, Volandri, Nalbandian... remember those names? they surprisingly defeated him past year.

That's why Federer has already lost 11 matches this year when over 2004 - 2007 he only lost a total of 24.
That's why his winning % this year is even lower than it was in 2003.

From those 11 matches, 4 are finals to Nadal, and then there's the AO loss to Djokovic.

If it wasn't for these two guys, he could have won 3 slams and 2 AMS shields, as I can't see anyone but Nadal defeating him on clay or grass. You must accept these two guys have increased their level above his, and he can either react and raise his own level too, or go down.

Yes, he's been less reliable on hardcourts than in past years, but he's still #2 in the race and has had a phenomenal clay+grass run. Trying to diminish the accomplishment of Nadal reaching #1 just because of some of Fed's results in hardcourt is ridiculous. Do you really think that he would have done more than Kiefer in a Toronto final? Rafa simply has his number.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 12:59 PM
Federer lost some form, but he was playing his best at the slams ( well, except RG :D)
The only reason he lost is because he played better (now) players than him in Australian open and Wimbledon.

True, he was at his absolute best at this year's AO, that's why he struggled so much to go past The Mghty Tipsarevic :yeah:



:retard: :retard: :retard:

Foxy
08-06-2008, 01:26 PM
You all shouldn't forget Fed performed better this season on clay points-wise and of course should defend more points next year on clay.

FairWeatherFan
08-06-2008, 01:33 PM
Federer has two titles this year, not one.

You're right, Federer has two titles. Silly mistake on my part and I aplogise, but it doesn't change the argument materially at all, because Halle and Estoril are still low-grade.

He has made six finals so far, past year he had made six finals up to this day (August 6th)

Lol. Fact is that Federer reached two extra masters series finals last year that this year he didn't, at the same time of progression through the tour calendar. Such desperate pedantism shows the weakness of your arguments. And his greater success in 2004 - 2006 is of course undeniable.

Cañas, Volandri, Nalbandian... remember those names? they surprisingly defeated him past year.

The Canas and Volandri losses were odd. The Nalbandian losses far from so, because we know that Nalbandian is very talented, and has beaten Federer so many times (incl. in TMC final during the peak of Fed's domination) that he is often branded Fed's nemesis, and wreaked a path of destruction through those two events. Let's show some respect and not lump Nalby with Fish, Simon et al. You were better off using Gonzalez as an example, but then one might argue that Fed's slumping started late 2007.

From those 11 matches, 4 are finals to Nadal, and then there's the AO loss to Djokovic.

So what? Fed lost to Nadal 4 times in 2006 too. 3 of those losses this year were still on clay, and I don't think it's ever been disputed that Nadal has Fed's number on clay even when Fed's playing at his peak. As for the Djokovic match, enough has been said about Federer' mononucleosis, lack of preparation and his struggles against Tisparevic to cast doubt over his form.
Djokovic has improved obviously and his results against not only Fed show it. But Federer when playing near his potential doesn't lose straight sets in a hardcourt slam and anyone who has objectively assessed Fed's quality over the past four years knows it.

JolánGagó
08-06-2008, 01:40 PM
Such desperate pedantism shows the weakness of your arguments.

That's why he has only made six finals this year when 2004 - 2007 he made at least 11 finals every year.


Should you have cared to get your facts straight before swamping us with such disinformed BS there would have been no need for pedantism of any sort, I guess.

FairWeatherFan
08-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Should you have cared to get your facts straight before swamping us with such disinformed BS there would have been no need for pedantism of any sort, I guess.

What I posted is completely correct. Can you count? :confused:

bjurra
08-06-2008, 02:14 PM
Trying to diminish the accomplishment of Nadal reaching #1 just because of some of Fed's results in hardcourt is ridiculous. Do you really think that he would have done more than Kiefer in a Toronto final? Rafa simply has his number.

Must one thing rule out another? Can't Rafa have a fantastic season AND Fed be in decline?

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 03:16 PM
Must one thing rule out another? Can't Rafa have a fantastic season AND Fed be in decline?
Did Federer performance at Wimbledon show any signs of decline?. If anything I seem to remember that most observers were saying how well he was playing, cruising through games and serving better than ever. Now on the hard courts it is obvious that his performance has deteriorated, but could it be because his moral was crushed at Wimbledon?. After all, Nadal won 2 sets in the 2007 final. So is it possible that Nadal improvement has been the major factor in him winning Wimbledon this year? Let's not forget that Federer got more than 80 winners in the final. Not too shabby for someone so out of form. In my opinion he played better than in 2007. The problem is that Nadal played much better too.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 03:19 PM
Did Federer performance at Wimbledon show any signs of decline?. If anything I seem to remember that most observers were saying how well he was playing cruising through games and serving better than ever. Now on the hard courts it is obvious that his performance has deteriorated, but could it be because his moral was crushed at Wimbledon?. After Nadal got 2 sets out of him the previous year. Or did he play in W 2007 poorly too?

Roger played well at this year's Wimbledon, except for the finals, where he looked like some challenger player spreading UEs all over the place and unable to return Nadal "monster" serves :o Kudos Rafa for managing to beat an uber crappy Fed in that match, not everyone would have made it, for sure.

August18
08-06-2008, 03:46 PM
You are right. Federer is and has always been a mug. Not a normal mug, but a cosmic mug, the mug of the mugs, the muggest one. Fortunately, in a few days we will have again a real tennis player at the top. A new brilliant era arrives for tennis.

It is really funny how some so-called Federer fans are spreading shit over their hero to avoid giving the smallest credit to the guy who has dethroned him.

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 03:51 PM
Roger played well at this year's Wimbledon, except for the finals, where he looked like some challenger player spreading UEs all over the place and unable to return Nadal "monster" serves :o Kudos Rafa for managing to beat an uber crappy Fed in that match, not everyone would have made it, for sure.

While you are at it you could also congratulate Nadal for taking two sets off Federer the previous final. (you were only one injury away from claiming that Federer also played awful in the 2007 final ;)).

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 03:56 PM
:rolleyes: Nadal has always been a bad match-up for Fed, though on grass Fed's superior skills have saved him in the past. At this year's Wimbledon finals that was simply not enough, Fed was just being way too crappy...

JolánGagó
08-06-2008, 03:58 PM
Nadal has always been a bad match-up for Fed

:haha: :haha: :haha:

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 04:02 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Nadal is a good match-up for Fed? :confused:

Care to elaborate? :p

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 04:13 PM
:rolleyes: Nadal has always been a bad match-up for Fed, though on grass Fed's superior skills have saved him in the past. At this year's Wimbledon finals that was simply not enough, Fed was just being way too crappy...

So, you basically think that Nadal didn't improve at all from 2007. If that makes you happier so be it.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 04:16 PM
So, you basically think that Nadal didn't improve at all from 2007. If that makes you happier so be it.

Never said that, yes he improved on some weaknesses. That alone wouldn't be enough to "toy with" a peaking Fed though, all I said is that you Rafatards are delusional to think that Fed is playing his best tennis this year :)

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 04:21 PM
Never said that, yes he improved on some weaknesses. That alone wouldn't be enough to "toy with" a peaking Fed though, all I said is that you Rafatards are delusional to think that Fed is playing his best tennis this year :)

Toying with him. It was 9-7 in the 5th set. I find it far more delusional to think that Nadal can not beat Federer in his favourite surface when the Swiss plays at his best, considering that last year he took him to five sets and this year Nadal has clearly improved his game as results against Federer and the rest testify. But looking at your signature I can understand your bias in this case.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 04:23 PM
:rolleyes: Fed was far from his best in last year's finals too... Maybe you should watch again some "old" matches to see how a peaking Fed looks like :o ;)

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 04:28 PM
:rolleyes: Fed was far from his best in last year's finals too... Maybe you should watch again some "old" matches to see how a peaking Fed looks like :o ;)

Ok, Federer was at his best beating hall of famers such as Roddick or Philippoussis, far better players than Nadal as everyone knows. There he could really toy with them and win every baseline exchange. Against Nadal for some reason he makes a lot of "unforced errors". But it is nothing to do with Nadal. It is just that Federer doesn't play at his best when playing Nadal :devil:

JolánGagó
08-06-2008, 04:31 PM
Against Nadal for some reason he makes a lot of "unforced errors". But it is nothing to do with Nadal. It is just that Federer doesn't play at his best when playing Nadal :devil:

Bad match-up, his sense of fashion can't stand Rafa's outfits.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 04:33 PM
But it is nothing to do with Nadal. It is just that Federer doesn't play at his best when playing Nadal :devil:

Again: bad match-up, and tennis is all about match-ups :shrug:

You should know about match-up issues, Rafa is used to that, there's still quite a few pig roasters out there, and they're not exactly all time greats :o :angel: :)

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 04:39 PM
Again: bad match-up, and tennis is all about match-ups :shrug:

You should know about match-up issues, Rafa is used to that, there's still quite a few pig roasters out there, and they're not exactly all time greats :o :angel: :)

You have to be very careful here. Bad match up, but not enough bad match up for Federer to lose on grass when playing at his best against Nadal, which is not the very best Federer can play. His very best is against Roddick as his baseline exchanges against the American testify. You follow me?

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 04:41 PM
Bad match-up, his sense of fashion can't stand Rafa's outfits.

That probably works both ways :devil:

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 04:41 PM
Fed rarely had to play his very best at Wimbledon. Just like Rafa rarely had to play his best at the French. You get it or you want me to draw it? :)

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 04:45 PM
Fed rarely had to play his very best at Wimbledon. Just like Rafa rarely had to play his best at the French. You get it or you want me to draw it? :)

That is true, he only had to play at his very best twice: both matches against Nadal. Alas, one of them wasn't good enough.

Ps Please, I need a few 3D drawings.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 04:47 PM
That is true, he only had to play at his very best twice: both matches against Nadal. Alas, one of them wasn't good enough.

Yes, Rafito is the best in the universe, he's the ultimate sport's GOAT :rocker2:

That's what you want all of us to acknowledge? :awww: :awww:

platinum
08-06-2008, 05:03 PM
he only had to play at his very best twice: both matches against Nadal. Alas, one of them wasn't good enough.


Affirmative. :wavey:

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 05:11 PM
At this rate Rafa also played his very best last year in Hamburg's finals... Too bad it wasn't enough that day :awww: :shrug: :o

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 05:13 PM
Yes, Rafito is the best in the universe, he's the ultimate sport's GOAT :rocker2:

That's what you want all of us to acknowledge? :awww: :awww:

No, I want you to acknowledge that Nadal has Federer number (well, you seem to agree on that) and at his current level of play he can beat him on his favourite surface even if cardigan man plays at his best. These things have to be accepted little by little. If I ask you now to accept that Nadal is the GOAT it may cause you as much grieve as it did to Federer having to come to terms with the fact that he was no longer the man.

finishingmove
08-06-2008, 05:13 PM
Rafael Nadal , Wimbledon Champion! :cool:

:dance: :dance: :dance:

:rolls:

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 05:17 PM
No, I want you to acknowledge that Nadal has Federer number (well, you seem to agree on that) and at his current level of play he can beat him on his favourite surface even if cardigan man plays at his best. These things have to be acdepted little by little. If I ask you now to accept that Nadal is the GOAT it may cause you as much grieve as it did to Federer having to come to terms with the fact that he is no longer the man.

Ok, so according to your logic Nadal at his best >>>>> Fed at his best. I guess Rafa will erase all records and dominate the game for the next ten years then? :confused: :worship:

Can't wait to see if you're proven right or wrong :o :angel: :D

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 05:18 PM
Rafael Nadal , Wimbledon Champion! :cool:

:dance: :dance: :dance:

:rolls:

:lol: since Nole sucks balls for months, Nadal's bandwagon is a nice ersatz I guess :D

finishingmove
08-06-2008, 05:19 PM
:lol: since Nole sucks balls for months, Nadal's bandwagon is a nice ersatz I guess :D

:lol: he's doing pretty good apart from wimbledon :wavey:

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 05:20 PM
:lol: he's doing pretty good apart from wimbledon :wavey:

Yeah, too bad he can't do well in the most important tennis tourmament :awww: :sad:

finishingmove
08-06-2008, 05:21 PM
Yeah, too bad he can't do well in the most important tennis tourmament :awww: :sad:

like federer who is going to win the US Open this year :awww: ;)

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 05:23 PM
like federer who is going to win the US Open this year :awww: ;)

Fed owns 5 Wimbledon crowns, he's nothing to prove to anyone anymore :shrug: on the other hand, Nole would have to back up his "I'm the new king" claims :o ;)

finishingmove
08-06-2008, 05:25 PM
Fed owns 5 Wimbledon crowns, he's nothing to prove to anyone anymore :shrug: on the other hand, Nole would have to back up his "I'm the new king" claims :o ;)

you're right.

novak is finished as far as im concerned, unless he wins 5 wimbledons next year.

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 05:27 PM
unless he wins 5 wimbledons next year.

The guy can turn water into wine, he surely can do this as well, never underestimate Nole... :rocker2: AJDE! :cool:

A_Skywalker
08-06-2008, 05:39 PM
True, he was at his absolute best at this year's AO, that's why he struggled so much to go past The Mghty Tipsarevic :yeah:



:retard: :retard: :retard:

so what, Rafa also wasnt at his best in Wimbledon agaisnt Gulbis but later he played well.

Albatros99
08-06-2008, 05:47 PM
Ok, so according to your logic Nadal at his best >>>>> Fed at his best. I guess Rafa will erase all records and dominate the game for the next ten years then? :confused: :worship:

Can't wait to see if you're proven right or wrong :o :angel: :D

Nadal best is yet to come. Probably next season. He is only 22. We will see how much Nadal can achieve. So far so good, 5 GS titles at the age of 22 and it could be 8 before he is 23 but most likely will be 6 or maybe 7.

Damn
08-07-2008, 11:59 AM
The guy can turn water into wine, he surely can do this as well, never underestimate Nole... :rocker2: AJDE! :cool:

Funny :haha: :haha: :yeah:

VAMOS!

Yashirobai
09-04-2008, 07:39 AM
According to several sources (i.e. Spanish newspapers: www.elmundodeporte.com, etc.), Nadal is now guaranteed to end 2008 as the World #1.

Congratulations Rafa!

rafa_maniac
09-04-2008, 07:41 AM
I don't see how that works out mathematically. If Rafa fails to win another match all season, and Novak wins the US Open and everything else thereafter, he'd take #1. Not at all likely, but still possible.

Daniel
09-04-2008, 07:41 AM
Any better source other than spanish newspapers?

l_mac
09-04-2008, 07:45 AM
He hasn't. If Fed or Nole win everything (USO Madrid, Paris, an optional and TMC) and Nadal doesn't play another match, the one that wins them could overtake him.

The Spanish newspaper is failing to take into account that Nadal has a further 675 to defend.

Still, it's looking good. :D

Flibbertigibbet
09-04-2008, 07:50 AM
De facto, he's been assured probably since after the Olympics. Next year's possibilities are actually looking more interesting, if Nadal's level drops a bit, Federer stops sucking, and Murray starts playing consistently in all tournaments (a la Fedaljoke) then the #1 may be shuffled around a lot next year, which is actually pretty exciting.

l_mac
09-04-2008, 07:50 AM
Rafa is certain to finish with at least 6325 points now. If Nole won USO, an optional, Madrid, Paris and all his matches at TMC he would have 6925. (I think) and if Rogi won everything he would have 6830.

Roger or Nole winning it all is highly unlikely, and even if they did, Rafa only needs to repeat his results from last year to get the #1.

But it's not a mathematical certainty yet. And one of Nole or Fed will be out of the running after USO anyway.

bokehlicious
09-04-2008, 07:52 AM
:dance: :bounce: :cool:

BAMOS! RAFA IS THE BEST!

wilmar
09-04-2008, 08:00 AM
But will it be confirmed if Nadal wins the US Open? I read that would be the case. I think if Nadal ends the year as #1...I think Nadal would be likely to hold that spot till the Monte Carlo clay court season...true?

Action Jackson
09-04-2008, 08:48 AM
End of year #1 doesn't mean that much, just used as a tool to push Sampras's case as the greatest player of all time. The consecutive weeks ranked at #1 is a better indication.

bokehlicious
09-04-2008, 08:56 AM
End of year #1 doesn't mean that much, just used as a tool to push Sampras's case as the greatest player of all time. The consecutive weeks ranked at #1 is a better indication.

True.

Rafa will erase that record sometime in 2013 :cool: Vamos!

Mimi
09-04-2008, 09:17 AM
post contradictory stuff as usual, post contradicts with signature ;)
:dance: :bounce: :cool:

BAMOS! RAFA IS THE BEST!

Foxy
09-04-2008, 09:45 AM
De facto, he's been assured probably since after the Olympics. Next year's possibilities are actually looking more interesting, if Nadal's level drops a bit, Federer stops sucking, and Murray starts playing consistently in all tournaments (a la Fedaljoke) then the #1 may be shuffled around a lot next year, which is actually pretty exciting.

Negative. Nadal would probably have too much points by then. So it would need more than a slump or an injury to be overtaken that soon. At least the first few months he is safe. Not to forget the better old clay schedule for 2009.

A_Skywalker
09-04-2008, 10:05 AM
But will it be confirmed if Nadal wins the US Open? I read that would be the case. I think if Nadal ends the year as #1...I think Nadal would be likely to hold that spot till the Monte Carlo clay court season...true?

With his good results at USO he is likely to hold it until Wimbledon. After that the new results will decide the rank.